wait wait, so on this bridge the knife edges pop out? can anyone tell me if i can do the same on an original steinberger R trem? i got worn knife edges and i dont know what to do
Finally i got it.The biggest problem of a floating tremolo is the spring and is the one and only reason that guitar can't stay in tune simply because the bridge balances all the tension of the strings to this spring.Tension is a constant force for every string gauges and tuning but spring can not remain constant in time or seconds and here is the deal.Replacing the spring with a metal of teflon rod and turning it to a fixed tremolo maybe is the solution.Finally who plays using wammy bar.I think Ned Steinberger never claimed that invented the perfect and more decent spring on earth and even this could have some meaning only when locking in various tunings and not in free balancing.BUT THIS IS THE GUITAR!!!
Besides the string height issue, what did you not like about this trem? The disc on the underside of the ball-end holder tray is for attaching and detaching the latch that is supposed to be on the base of the trem, which is not shown in your video. It allows the trem to go from hardtail to floating. The ball bearing is, in fact, for adjusting the tightness of the trem arm, via the set screw. I’m also curious if you’re dissatisfied with the “engineering” of the trem, or the fact that it is an approx. $30 poorly-executed Chinese copy of Ned Steinberger’s original design. Design and manufacturing are completely separate issues in this case bc it was not produced with the inventor's approval. Thanks.
About the height of strings issue because i am going to buy one of these chineberger very soon my question is if the bottom of each string saddle will be sanded to lower the physical height of the saddle then the string lowers and there is enough space for height adjustment through the allen screws.
@@mrmisterman999incorrect. The "Overlord of Music" tremelo is a cheaply made clone of the Steinberger R-trem. Has nothing to do with the Transtrem at all - they are in totally different leagues (and price ranges). Quality wise, its not even as good as the original R-trem, which was a "budget friendly" trem to begin with. (so imagine the quality of this cheap Chinese made knock off) R-trem issues are more a result of the quality of the materials used - (and in the Overlords case, the workmanship) - not so much Ned Steinbergers original design.
This is definitely not a transposing (trans) tremolo, but it can be used like a Floyd Rose floating tremolo (probably best used with double-ballend strings and a secure locking nut system) or as a fixed bridge (with tremolo locked by engaging a lever underneath at the rear). As I still don't have a convincing nut for the dive-bomb floating option I am just using it fixed with a bridge humbucker as a metal maschine. It's heavy like a FR-tremolo, and so is the metallic sound. I had to shim the bolt-on neck to get the neck angle right for a better string height. For about 250€ I grabbed a DIY Kit plus a few extras from ML-Facrtory in Germany, it has this Overlord as the standard option for the body rout. This guitar is great for travelling on planes using a half-size softbag on board (it's not much bigger than a tennis racket ;-). Looking forward to changing the setup for a floating trem function, for tinklers theres lots of fun here! Here's the result so far at www.gitarre-bestellen.de/blog/headless-esche-murray-rowley/
interesting. that washer under it looks like it was for a lock. i have a headless kit that someday i will finish. it has a 6 string bridge like that. has a little arm that locks it from being a flouter.
look at this www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/headless-guitar-bridge-nut-overlord-478670594 looks like some weird way to mount a whammy on that center screw dont ya think?
correct - thats the part that he "had no idea" what it was. A lever from the bottom (non moving part) of the trem engages the little disc and locks the top (moving part) of the trem. Makes it easier to tune, restring, or make bridge adjustments. (Or just keep it locked all the time for fixed bridge.) Overlords are cheap knockoffs, yes. But the design itself isn't bad.
I've got a Pango Steinberger copy and I've paid more to have the neck and bridge set up than I paid for the guitar. I tend to leave the OOM bridge in the fixed position. The intonation is about 97% there and it stays in tune most of the time, tuning it takes the slightest turns. It lets me do my Holdsworth style noodling. The main thing I wanted to mention is that when left on a standard guitar stand it will sometimes do a belly flop onto the floor(carpeted). There's a quick fix for this, just take the guitar cable and unplug it then wrap it across the neck support a couple times and tuck the plug in there and its earthquake proof.
I placed an order for a steinberger clone last days of December 2020,after 2+1/2 months the order didn't arrive.After my talking with the seller he proposed to me to cancel the order and then he fully refund me because due to pandemic they have various logistics problems and the parcel was never ment to come to me.So i will have not the chance to see this little guitar with all it's goods or bads in real and maybe it's better.
This video is kind of fun but it’s not very informative… somehow you don’t have all the parts and it seems like you’re not interested in how the thing works. It’s a wammy bridge and you’re missing the spring, and you don’t seem to know what most of the parts are for… I mean, was it ever even installed? From seeing you frustrated taking this thing apart, I wouldn’t be able to trust you to install one. The main stuff you said is “what is this” “what does that even do” “I have no idea …” and other variations of confusion.
Soft metal of the base, with string height screw already marking. Will prevent you to fine adjust your intonation with the screws wanting to fall back in the dimples. I don't like this bridge, but besides that, not able to put the action in the picture, laughing at parts before understanding what they are, I suppose this guy would say his tape recorder is not working properly because he didn't read the manual...
Because it is sooo soft this piece of garbage is made of aluminium or tin/pewter imho. To prevent the base from getting dents and dimples from the saddles’ screws my idea would be to put a thin steel sheet/foil between the base and the saddles.
Wish I had seen this.. I recently purchased one of these. Apart from it arriving damaged (tuning knob shafts bent, one was at 30`from original position) I found that on the high E tuning knob the shift is not long enough to allow the string ball holder out far enough without popping off the thread being forced out by the spring. One of the grub screws in the end of the tuning knobs is missing too... The 2 smaller allen keys supplied do not fit the Allen screws and the tremolo arm doesn't 'latch' into its hole. Absolute garbage. No instructions as to machining sizes for routing the guitar body either..... Oh how I wished I'd seen this first.. Ebay, Buyer beware is all I can say.. Cheers
Just to update. The ebay seller sent me another one. I got to keep the original.. The second one is just as bad ( not worse) than the first.. They have now refunded me.. So Ive now got 2 of these. I've replaced all the threaded parts on the original in a hope to make it use able thanks again
If it wasn‘t, as you said, “so heavy” I would say it is aluminium because it is so soft. Got mine a few days ago and since the whammy bar is to thick for its holes I thought it probably has to be pushed into the holes with a little more force. That already produced some dented to the hole. So definitely it is no steel at all. Because of the weight I guess it might be tin/pewter which is quite a soft metal... Also the small grub screw for the saddles seems to be made of the same soft material. I already managed to “mill out” the inside of the screw with the Allen wrench although I took care not to use much force. Fortunately the screw thread is still OK but I think it is just a matter of time when that will get worn out. Especially if you use a replacement screw that is made of some harder material than the bridge. Which could be anything from titanium to gelatine ;-)
I have one of these but it's for a headless bass I built. I was looking for a 4 string replacement and came across your video. Thanks for taking the time to show how crappy these things are. If you know of a 4 string replacement post a link please!
It wasnt designed by a bass player , I just got te headless bass bridge they make, it weighs 666 grams! comes with 4 allen keys , one them that fits nothing and one thats the wrong size. Also two of the string clamp bolts dont reach the threads when you put strings under them .......maybe designed by a drummer or an osteopath.
@@mrmisterman999 I had the one that took the ball end of the string. Always came out of tune no matter what and I looked up the fix and it was too much. The guy whom spent much time making work on RUclips said the fix was to add solder to the ball ends lol it wasn't that terrible of a bridge but it just wasn't practical for using the tremolo. It defeated the purpose in having it be a trem.
wait wait, so on this bridge the knife edges pop out? can anyone tell me if i can do the same on an original steinberger R trem? i got worn knife edges and i dont know what to do
Finally i got it.The biggest problem of a floating tremolo is the spring and is the one and only reason that guitar can't stay in tune simply because the bridge balances all the tension of the strings to this spring.Tension is a constant force for every string gauges and tuning but spring can not remain constant in time or seconds and here is the deal.Replacing the spring with a metal of teflon rod and turning it to a fixed tremolo maybe is the solution.Finally who plays using wammy bar.I think Ned Steinberger never claimed that invented the perfect and more decent spring on earth and even this could have some meaning only when locking in various tunings and not in free balancing.BUT THIS IS THE GUITAR!!!
Besides the string height issue, what did you not like about this trem? The disc on the underside of the ball-end holder tray is for attaching and detaching the latch that is supposed to be on the base of the trem, which is not shown in your video. It allows the trem to go from hardtail to floating. The ball bearing is, in fact, for adjusting the tightness of the trem arm, via the set screw. I’m also curious if you’re dissatisfied with the “engineering” of the trem, or the fact that it is an approx. $30 poorly-executed Chinese copy of Ned Steinberger’s original design. Design and manufacturing are completely separate issues in this case bc it was not produced with the inventor's approval. Thanks.
Its an approximation of the original trans trem that uses inferior parts and materials.
@@mrmisterman999 thought it's a clone of R-trem, TT uses bearings and has transposing mechanism
About the height of strings issue because i am going to buy one of these chineberger very soon my question is if the bottom of each string saddle will be sanded to lower the physical height of the saddle then the string lowers and there is enough space for height adjustment through the allen screws.
It’s a poorly executed R-Trem. It’s a rote copy of Ned’s design.
@@mrmisterman999incorrect. The "Overlord of Music" tremelo is a cheaply made clone of the Steinberger R-trem. Has nothing to do with the Transtrem at all - they are in totally different leagues (and price ranges). Quality wise, its not even as good as the original R-trem, which was a "budget friendly" trem to begin with. (so imagine the quality of this cheap Chinese made knock off) R-trem issues are more a result of the quality of the materials used - (and in the Overlords case, the workmanship) - not so much Ned Steinbergers original design.
This is definitely not a transposing (trans) tremolo, but it can be used like a Floyd Rose floating tremolo (probably best used with double-ballend strings and a secure locking nut system) or as a fixed bridge (with tremolo locked by engaging a lever underneath at the rear). As I still don't have a convincing nut for the dive-bomb floating option I am just using it fixed with a bridge humbucker as a metal maschine. It's heavy like a FR-tremolo, and so is the metallic sound. I had to shim the bolt-on neck to get the neck angle right for a better string height. For about 250€ I grabbed a DIY Kit plus a few extras from ML-Facrtory in Germany, it has this Overlord as the standard option for the body rout. This guitar is great for travelling on planes using a half-size softbag on board (it's not much bigger than a tennis racket ;-). Looking forward to changing the setup for a floating trem function, for tinklers theres lots of fun here! Here's the result so far at www.gitarre-bestellen.de/blog/headless-esche-murray-rowley/
6:20 - probably for grounding
Can i open the bottom without removing the saddles? I could never put them back in a thousand years. A spring is sideways on my tuning jaw.
interesting. that washer under it looks like it was for a lock. i have a headless kit that someday i will finish. it has a 6 string bridge like that. has a little arm that locks it from being a flouter.
look at this
www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/headless-guitar-bridge-nut-overlord-478670594
looks like some weird way to mount a whammy on that center screw dont ya think?
Yes it is for a lock,he didn't show it.
correct - thats the part that he "had no idea" what it was. A lever from the bottom (non moving part) of the trem engages the little disc and locks the top (moving part) of the trem. Makes it easier to tune, restring, or make bridge adjustments. (Or just keep it locked all the time for fixed bridge.) Overlords are cheap knockoffs, yes. But the design itself isn't bad.
I've got a Pango Steinberger copy and I've paid more to have the neck and bridge set up than I paid for the guitar. I tend to leave the OOM bridge in the fixed position. The intonation is about 97% there and it stays in tune most of the time, tuning it takes the slightest turns. It lets me do my Holdsworth style noodling. The main thing I wanted to mention is that when left on a standard guitar stand it will sometimes do a belly flop onto the floor(carpeted). There's a quick fix for this, just take the guitar cable and unplug it then wrap it across the neck support a couple times and tuck the plug in there and its earthquake proof.
Whats a good replacement
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Look into the JCustom XR trem. It's a high quality exact replica of the Steinberger R-Trem.
@@mrmisterman999 is that a drop in replacement?
No. I have a video of a bridge swap i did from this bridge to a better one
Try the J Custom XR trem (if you can find it) - much better quality than the Overlord of Music.
Thanks a million! You just saved me from a potentially disastrous impulse buy on Ebay!
I placed an order for a steinberger clone last days of December 2020,after 2+1/2 months the order didn't arrive.After my talking with the seller he proposed to me to cancel the order and then he fully refund me because due to pandemic they have various logistics problems and the parcel was never ment to come to me.So i will have not the chance to see this little guitar with all it's goods or bads in real and maybe it's better.
Its probably a good thing 🤣
This video is kind of fun but it’s not very informative… somehow you don’t have all the parts and it seems like you’re not interested in how the thing works. It’s a wammy bridge and you’re missing the spring, and you don’t seem to know what most of the parts are for… I mean, was it ever even installed? From seeing you frustrated taking this thing apart, I wouldn’t be able to trust you to install one. The main stuff you said is “what is this” “what does that even do” “I have no idea …” and other variations of confusion.
Soft metal of the base, with string height screw already marking. Will prevent you to fine adjust your intonation with the screws wanting to fall back in the dimples. I don't like this bridge, but besides that, not able to put the action in the picture, laughing at parts before understanding what they are, I suppose this guy would say his tape recorder is not working properly because he didn't read the manual...
Lol get mad about a video. There is no manual for it anyway, genius. Its a shit design nuff said
Because it is sooo soft this piece of garbage is made of aluminium or tin/pewter imho.
To prevent the base from getting dents and dimples from the saddles’ screws my idea would be to put a thin steel sheet/foil between the base and the saddles.
Did you receive a manual with your bridge?
I got mine with no manual/description
luvvin vids where ah dunno is chanted repeatedly
Wish I had seen this.. I recently purchased one of these. Apart from it arriving damaged (tuning knob shafts bent, one was at 30`from original position) I found that on the high E tuning knob the shift is not long enough to allow the string ball holder out far enough without popping off the thread being forced out by the spring. One of the grub screws in the end of the tuning knobs is missing too... The 2 smaller allen keys supplied do not fit the Allen screws and the tremolo arm doesn't 'latch' into its hole. Absolute garbage. No instructions as to machining sizes for routing the guitar body either..... Oh how I wished I'd seen this first.. Ebay, Buyer beware is all I can say.. Cheers
Just to update. The ebay seller sent me another one. I got to keep the original.. The second one is just as bad ( not worse) than the first.. They have now refunded me.. So Ive now got 2 of these. I've replaced all the threaded parts on the original in a hope to make it use able thanks again
If it wasn‘t, as you said, “so heavy” I would say it is aluminium because it is so soft.
Got mine a few days ago and since the whammy bar is to thick for its holes I thought it probably has to be pushed into the holes with a little more force. That already produced some dented to the hole.
So definitely it is no steel at all.
Because of the weight I guess it might be tin/pewter which is quite a soft metal...
Also the small grub screw for the saddles seems to be made of the same soft material.
I already managed to “mill out” the inside of the screw with the Allen wrench although I took care not to use much force.
Fortunately the screw thread is still OK but I think it is just a matter of time when that will get worn out.
Especially if you use a replacement screw that is made of some harder material than the bridge. Which could be anything from titanium to gelatine ;-)
Thanks for the feedback. I still can't believe there are people out there that defend this garbage and get mad at this video 🤣
What i have seen in the video nothing wrong is revealed,but looks sturdy and over engineered.So where might be it's problem.
i have this, lol what a pain in the ass to tune haha
I have one of these but it's for a headless bass I built. I was looking for a 4 string replacement and came across your video. Thanks for taking the time to show how crappy these things are. If you know of a 4 string replacement post a link please!
It wasnt designed by a bass player , I just got te headless bass bridge they make, it weighs 666 grams! comes with 4 allen keys , one them that fits nothing and one thats the wrong size. Also two of the string clamp bolts dont reach the threads when you put strings under them .......maybe designed by a drummer or an osteopath.
Never seen this bridge lol I had the old kahler bridge that was pretty horrible too 🤣
kahlers are pretty good, not sure which one you had but all the ones ive worked with are pretty good. Very well engineered and versatile
@@mrmisterman999 I had the one that took the ball end of the string. Always came out of tune no matter what and I looked up the fix and it was too much. The guy whom spent much time making work on RUclips said the fix was to add solder to the ball ends lol it wasn't that terrible of a bridge but it just wasn't practical for using the tremolo. It defeated the purpose in having it be a trem.
@@victorrene3852 ya I've seen those that you have to solder the end. But watch my agile video the khaler on that guitar was great