Iron Menace Analysis Dorney Park New for 2024 B&M Dive Coaster
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Fun fact - the closest B&M dive to Dorney is 7 hours away. Griffon, Valravn, Yukon Striker - take your pick, they’re all 7 hours away in different directions 😅
That is a fun fact 😎
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Oh no way! That’s really cool actually I didn’t realize that!
@@CoasterStudiosalways here for completely random and useless amusement park geography facts 😂
shoot target sick!
It’s the smartest decision to appeal to the GP, and this will definitely do that. Anything for Dorney is good in my opinion.
The public will love this. Period. The GP doesn’t care about ejector airtime and floater airtime they just want to have fun. So in my opinion Dorsey picked the best option for the GP to love.
I agree. Meanwhile, 'enthusiasts' are WHINING their heads off about it being "ToO sHoRt", "OnE tRiCk PoNy" or :It'S nOt RmC sO iT sUcKs!"
@@kanechrist4213 I'm an enthusiast and I actually enjoy dive coasters
I do think a Mack multi-launch coaster like Copperhead Strike would have been a great addition too, despite Possessed being in the same park. But the Mack's multi launch can feature hangtime and ejector too.
Glad Dorney Park is getting something new though!
A Mack Big Dipper would actually be a great fit for Dorney. Smaller scale, lower capacity, with some strong airtime moments. Hope it happens if Iron Menace is a big financial success.
I really hope Dorney gets some sort of multi launch. I think Hershey park might beat them to that, but if they don’t for whatever reason it will be great.
Mack’s are too expensive. Cedar fair doesn’t feel as if this park is worth a huge investment. The fact that they’re getting a dive coaster while Kings Island gets a itty bitty family boomerang is shocking.
Personally, I think a dive is a perfect fit for Dorney. It's reliable with decent compacity and a people pleaser. I think they went with a dive just to bring in more crowds, especially since it's been almost 20 years since they build a new ride and about 10 years since they opened a ride new to the park. And depending on its success, I feel like CF would be open to invest a more thrilling standout ride, preferably one filled with ejector airtime. I especially love the theming and I hope it will be well done.
Been going to Dorney for almost 25 years and now living less than 10 minutes away from there, I’m just happy they are getting a brand new coaster. Nothing beats experiencing a coaster for the first time and this will be my first dive coaster. I’m beyond excited for next year.
I firmly believe that in the future we will see a wooden coaster here or some type of stand out ride. To me, Iron Menace is supposed to be the ride that BRINGS IN more guests to the park. And then they get that standout attraction shortly after to keep the new guests coming backing to the park, while at the same time increasing attendance even more. I think with how deliberately themed this ride is and for how substantial it is, that Cedar Fair has plans for this park. I'm not going to get ahead of myself, but this addition to me seems indicative of a brighter future for Dorney. I think they seem serious about fixing how much its fallen behind from its competitors. And Cedar Fair SHOULD be taking notes with how many numbers Hershey can pull in. Dorney is literally closer to the population centers that Hershey pulls from. They should theoretically be in a good position to PULL from the Hershey customer base. But they need to start taking steps to increase their offerings. This is the first step.
This is the better first choice that will lead to increase in attendance that may lead to the more costly less people pleasing option of a ejector focused coaster
This will be awesome! I love how it ties Zephyr into it with the station tunnel and the side-by-side sequences.
Honestly it is interesting. What I feel would make this ride is how they theme it.
If the immersion is done well, this could end up as my favorite coaster coming next year.
I love the concept and I hope they pull through with the theme and take it to its maximum.
Dorney Park is limited by township restrictions especially when it comes to the height of a coaster. Cedar Fair really had to battle in order to put in Steel Force. I've been going to Dorney Park since I was a little kid and I am now 73. I no longer go to amusement parks but wish I could.
They had to fight for this one as well. I couldn't be to loud and they said it couldn't bring in more people than pre pandemic crowds. It's a shame they have to deal with that.
@@railblaze7196 That's b.s.
Excited and can’t wait to experience this Dive Coaster.
I think it looks really nice, and will be a great fit for Dorney. I do however wish that they would have stuck an airtime hill in it somewhere. It's just 4 inversions in a row and then the end.
Get rid of that wonky loop and stick an awesome airtime hill in, and maybe after that final turn, it could dropped down and into a right hand upward helix into the brakes.
Personally, I think Zambezi Zinger and Iron Menace should have switched parks as both rides seem a little too similar to what their respective parks already have. Despite there being GCIs all over the region, one would be an excellent fit for Dorney, and for a prototype ride with titan track it'd be much closer to GCI's workshop so they can easily monitor it and make adjustments. Meanwhile, a dive at WOF would be a unique add for the center of the country and would have given the park a second B&M that differs significantly from other rides at the park.
I respect that, especially the 'GCI being so close to Dorney' part; they could use the 'locally built' moral boost. Who knows, maybe they'll do something in the future and Iron Menace is just buying time?
I’m soo exited I just wanna a b&m dive at carowinds in the night hawk area
The exit out of the Immelmann looks like it might have a pop of airtime
This Immelmann looks really drawn out compared to the others
@@ThrillsofColdplayit’s outerbanked like a wave turn on the exit.
i haven’t been to dorney park in probably 10 years, this is a good excuse to finally go back!!
I really agree I’ve been to bgw and it’s so far its so far from the north east now we have something close to ride nice job Taylor!
As fiesta Texas being my home park, I’m sorry for all the feelings I may hurt buttttt Dr. Diabolical’s cliffhanger is my #1 in the park 🤷🏽♂️. The beyond vertical drop is pretty insane. It’s my favorite ride in the park
I have another fiesta hot take. Superman is too painful to have fun in anymore.
It's exciting to see more dive coasters getting added in America, but it would be nice to see more wing coasters get added as well because we only have four of those in the U.S., and once this ride opens up, we will have six of these.
Don't think we'll see any large wing coasters soon, but a family wing similar to Maximus at Legoland Deutschland might come to a few US parks.
Since CF is working with vekoma now, atleast for smaller coasters, hopefully that can eventually lead to some bigger projects and maybe one of those can go to Dorney park and be that true standout ride because I agree, they have a lot of good coasters but nothing stand out.
Timing-wise, I could see Valleyfair going in on a Vekoma thrill coaster - possibly even a 2-for-1 deal to throw in a Family Boomerang like Tripsdrill did.
We have a whole plot of land at the front of the park that was formerly the original Antique Autos and Dinos Alive that is just sitting vacant now.
After that, I would love to see them remove our old Arrow Corkscrew for a B&M Dive Machine. The pond that Corkscrew flies over would be a perfect photo-op location for a much better coaster, plus it's a ride type that even Six Flags Great America in Illinois is missing.
@@scaryhobbit211 too bad CF treats VF like the forgotten child even though part of cedar fairs name come from Valleyfair and a park that’s in the Minneapolis area. They should really invest in them!
@@Ethan-rj7vn There's some hope at least:
CF is actually investing in the smaller parks now, lol!
@@scaryhobbit211I heard Cedar Fair is looking in particularly to start putting big investments into Dorney and bring them closer to one of their tier 1 parks because of its market area and the numbers that Hershey is pulling in. Hopefully some other parks get shown some love too though.
The dive coaster selection is fine. Taylor’s points are fine as well. Im just stunned Cedar Fair is doing anything with this place.
What a nice video by dorney park , I see hershey park in the background
Wait, you haven't experienced Dr Diabolical yet? I thought you have. NO WAY IVE RIDDEN A NEW COASTER BEFORE TAYLOR HIMSELF HAS!!!!!!!!!
Should've been a dueling Mack Extreme Spinner tbh🤪
All jokes aside, looks like a nice solid ride, hope it bring up the numbers enough for Cedar Fair to take notice and throw more money at the place in the near future👍👍
Thanks for giving Prowler some love!!
Others issues with the wooden shuttle are that it's too close to Thunderhawk, and it wouldn't have been visible from the interstate. Dorney really needed something over *150 feet* tall (taller than Jersey Devil and Wildcat's Revenge), and they were probably hesitant to work with Gerstlauer due to maintenance issues with Hangtime. Plus, the GP would have considered it too similar to *Fahrenheit* and *Shellraiser* at American Dream. Agree Iron Menace won't be a standout ride - it really could benefit from a *figure-eight* finale, but money spent on theming will translate to *more revenue* from merch. So it's a solid choice for the park. Hopefully within the next 5-10 years we'll see a *Vekoma* coaster that focuses on airtime, or a *reprofiled Thunderhawk* to make it more like a modern Gravity Group woodie.
I glad dorney park is getting some love
The East Coast needed a B&M Dive.
It looks really good, the first out and back dive coaster, the theme reminds dr diabolical’s you can see the inspirations easily
emperor has an out an back layout if i remember correctly
And it’s a first coaster in the park that part of the train goes off the track. They don’t have that. But they will now.
after a very long wait im so psyched to ride this in dorney next year
I’m surprised they went with a 95 Degree Drop and not the normal 89 or 90 Degree Drop but I’m happy they did
I believe were gonna start seeing more of these types of dives that are like Emperor and now Iron Menace which are great additions
i was kinda hoping this coaster was a reference to the Bethlehem steel stacks but im HYPE for this coaster! Dorney has been needing some fresh hype for sure :)
it sort of is
It reminds me of copperhead strikes station.
8:04 New versions of Laser and Orient Express as launch coasters would be perfect for their respective parks.
They would, but Mack, Gerstlauer, or even Vekoma could build them. Cedar Fair is definitely not working with Intamin anytime soon. And if Top Thrill 2 is successful, they might even have Zamperla modify I-305.
Wow this is so cool and so awesome love you guys so much ❤ . Um i never been to this park before but it looks cool um take care.
Another point in common with Dr. Diabolical: It's a supporting coaster largely built to prevent at least one other park in the area from adding a dive coaster first. SeaWorld San Antonio would have definitely added one if Fiesta Texas didn't beat them to it.
Considering the scaristy of dive machines in the neighborhood, great move for the park. As an enthousaist though; bit sad about the lay out. It's that typical old mentality of 1 inversion after the other. I really would love to see B&M to take a more flowing perspective on rides. Even interact with a bit of landscaping here and there. We know they can do it, looking at Black Mamba
As a Philadelphia resident... PLEASE POUR MONEY INTO THIS PARK!!!!!
Love your videos 😊
TALON AT DORNEY PARK > GREAT HIBERNATING TALON ALWAYS LFG
Cool ride
The pre 2020 shuttle plan included the removal of possessed...I'm glad it didn't happen
Hopefully Valleyfair gets some love now
I think it is the perfect fit for Dorney. It’s a ride the gp loves and Dorney beat Hershey to it as it was in their pipeline. Apparently Cedar Fair is looking to bring Dorney closer to one of their tier 1 parks because of market area and the numbers Hershey has been pulling. Iron Menace is kind of the start of their plans. However there really needs to be a spike in attendance and income next year for them to continue their vision for Dorney which I think is very achievable. If Cedar Fair starts investing into Dorney GADV is gonna be in big trouble. Hershey and Dorney are definitely the more complete and nicer parks of the 3. Six Flags appeals to coaster enthusiasts only.
I feel like if cedar fair is truly wanting to put some love into this park then great adventures new coaster will help motivate them to add a big addition sooner.
Dorney is one of my local parks along with Hersheypark. Yea I got season passes for both lol. But I am overjoyed for this new ride. Dorney has been toooo long neglected by Cedar Fair. Way too long. So seeing this new ride after almost 20 years of being stagnate for any new development is really a breath of fresh air to see. What I would love to see as well is Thunderhawk get RMC treatment. Turn it into a family style RMC.
Iron Menace was just completed and I am looking forward to riding it, but in my opinion Possessed and and Stinger did a poor job of replacing Laser which was a great coaster and still is (In Saudi Arabia).
6:23 Possessed's old location had a Vekoma Boomerang right next to it.
I completely agree with your take that Talon is better than Great Bear.
Wait, this is the second ride in the park with an Immelmann and a loop, a zero g roll as the second element and a corkscrew as the last inversions.
The pr9blem i could see is great adventure building something bigger and better but personally i think this is the perfect addition for the gp
I think this might be a move to drum up attendance and capital to ultimately justify getting that elite coaster further down the line
You nailed both what dorney needs (ejector air) and why dorney got a B&M dive (beating competitors SFGADV and Hershey to it)
Hersheys lineup still blows six flags and dorney’s out of the water
@@aidan_asparro6208it blows every line up out of the water but cedar point and SFMM so that’s not fair
@@aidan_asparro6208Great Adventure is closer. Nitro is better than Candymonium and Kingda Ka is better than anything they have except Skyrush. Great Adventure is also getting another new coaster.
@@aidan_asparro6208Hersheys line up is vast I will say but some of their models aren’t even as good as their neighboring parks. Their line up is stacked for sure but they don’t necessarily have the best of every coaster in the area. What they offer is completeness. A full ride line up with thrills mild to wild which is why they are an S tier park. Great Adventure is in the coaster game only and Dorney offers top tier family and water park stuff but needs more stand out coasters to catch up. If Cedarfair continues to invest big in Dorney I can honestly see Dorney pulling in more guest than GADV and moving GADV to 3rd of the 3. Hershey and Dorney’s operations are just so much better.
Before this, I'd have said that a B&M dive was the most obvious next major coaster for Hersheypark--but not any more.
Though Fahrenheit has enough similarity to these smaller dive coasters that that might have been a disincentive too.
I’m so excited for this ride to open i think I saw you at dorney one time but I wonder when this ride will open I hope it open soon I cause I want to go on that ride but it probably won’t open for a while.
That drop is still going to be a problem it’s basically Mavericks drop but an extra 60 feet
GCI wooden or a B&M winged coaster would have been my vote
Something like mystic Timbers or a euro fighter would of been a perfect fit hope this doesn’t underwhelm
Regarding your thought about the ejector air… How about a Chance Hyper GTX? I still don’t understand how that model hasn’t caught on.
It’s a good Dive for Dorneypark
I was hoping they'd get an intamin vertical launch coaster but oh well
thanks we really needed 4 different videos of the same coaster within the past 24 hours
This is only the second video of us actually talking about the ride. The first couple were the videos the park sent in the press kit.
Is this like the valvran at cedar point ? Same type ?
I would not be surprised to see this model cloned a few times
Looks decent 👌 😊
Intamin multi launch is reserved for KI to replace the Vortex!
I think this is a good addition for Dorney but my favorite thing about it is now Hershey is unlikely to get a dive which is great because it wouldn’t even sniff top 5 in the park there
Literally havnt been to the park since they built hydra
Here's the thing; could a smaller multi launch also fit here? Yes. Is a dive machine good? Yes. Dorney needs a tall imposing coaster to greet guests, and fill the void left by Laser back in 2008. Stinger never felt like a proper replacement, just dropped there to fill vacant space. Hopefully, Iron Menace will bring revenue back to Dorney and give it some fuel for another new roller coaster. after this. They were on a streak with Talon in 2001 and then Hydra in 2005, and then just fell off when the recession hit.
Looks so fun can’t wait to ride it
Wondering if this will get a cheap DC overlay in the next few years, or maybe a last minute one for opening, lol
Nice!
I think a wood coaster that made a tribute to Hercules would have been cool.Maybe Hercules Revenge?
hydra…?
I'd argue a single rail coaster would've been perfect, not a clone to jersey devil, but similar, longer layout
Looks like we'll have to wait 'till 2043 for the next coaster. Also I didn't have demon drop on my count, I'll add it tho.
For a park so close to a major city it sucks that cedar fair invest so little. I see this park advertised at literally every philly sports event, but it gets no love.
This addition is hopefully a building block for a “wow” coaster. There’s no Velocicoaster, or Maverick type ride near bye. A lot more “wow” in these then a 160ft dive coaster 😐
The dive fits in but its not needed tbh I would’ve put another wooden in then the dive but thats just my opinion
I would have loved to see a new gen vekoma with a launch. It can even have a beyond vertical drop. It gets the airtime and inversions too. Tell me if I missed a reason why this is wrong. ❤❤
So awesome to see an inclined loop. You don't see those much. I would have filled the lack of a family coaster, honestly. Need a long, family coaster that's not super thrilling. Not another thrilling, extreme coaster.
honestly with the amount of time we’ve been waiting a family coaster would not be very beneficial to the lineup but it could be next
This is similar straight lift hill as baron 1898 at efeliting
When will you ride Dr Diabolical's Cliffhanger?
Hopefully soon, but not sure yet specifically. I’d like to visit before the end of the year!
I feel that inclined loop will feel very forceful
I definitely agree!
Dorney parks lates coaster was possessed
Both the layout and story are very similar to baron 1898. The story also has a greedy baron and ghosts…
Have u heard about six flags great adventure confirmed getting a coaster in 2024 for its 50th anniversary
I called it
I think that while this is basically the perfect fit for the park, I think it's exactly what they need right now. It's my belief that this is a stepping stone attraction for them, It's kind of them showing cedar Fair. If you give us money look what we can do with it. My hope is that should this do really well, should the park see you in attendance? Rise and the revenue rise significant enough that cedar federal will allow them in a few years time to do another attraction, which I'm hopeful could be that modern wooden roller coaster or multi-launch on the dinosaurs alive plot. And hopefully when they do that it would bring in a few flat rides and a new "area" which I think is really what they need. They really need to take advantage of that dinosaurs alive plot. That's what I think this whole thing is now. I could be totally wrong, but as long as this isn't the only roller coaster they receive for another 20 years I'm fine
If Dorney ever gets an Intamin multi-launch I think I’d faint on the spot during the announcement
What’s your favorite dive coaster?
For layout purposes, Emperor! We like the theming best on Baron 1898 though
My favorite it Griffon. Imo
Griffon is fun haven’t been on emperor though
The Swarm
I feel like whenever a park in America wants to add a new coaster, they ask themselves “okay, what’s the coaster that majority of people would not want? Let’s go with that”. We don’t need one trick ponies all over the world.
They should relocate Goldstriker here if they cant save CGA
Baron at home:
This will fall right behind fahrenheit in the steepest drop in pa party
Baron 1898 V2
Lol
Tbh A gerstlauer wouldnt fit at Dorney better than a B&M Dive in my opinion. Especially when you have both Fahrenheit, Impulse, and Hydrus all under a two hour drive away that offer extremely similar ride experiences.
That’s a fair point! Even though they’re different ride types they do provide similar enough experiences
You should do a video for Six Flags Great Adventures next roller coaster
planning on it! Filming one this weekend we hope to release early next week