WHOA! Dunkey found another reviewer equally or even more based than him! LOL Seriously though, you two are some of the FEW people who still provide RUclips with great content... I don't think those dumb suits at Google appreciate you guys enough.
Playing DeusEx in 2000: This game is so immersive, they put in so much detail with the new 3D technology! Playing DeusEx in 2020: This game is so immersive, you can actively experience it when you go outside!
@@Dennis-nc3vw just not nearly enough.. now its so fucking obvious this world is run by psychopaths and parasites that this kind of comment gets to the top. we are truly living in epic times! the matrix is collapsing and the truth will prevail!
Half the US is talking about militias and civil war too. This might be the most prophetic game ever, and it was made to be ridiculous by taking every conspiracy lol
Maybe because I am a boomer and I've read von Mises, Hayek and Rothbard, who were saying these things since the 1940s, I wasn't that impressed by the ideas of Deus Ex but I was impressed that somebody had balls to put them into a mainstream game. Because you are still labeled a crazy person if you quote from "Omnipotent Government" or "America's Great Depression" (Road to Serfdom is more mainstream) even today, let alone in 2000. Mad respect to these guys.
21:13 "I would argue, from a certain light-" [Flashlight activates in-game] its these really subtle visual gags that make Accursed Farms that much funnier
04:16 'Deus Ex's approach to the storyline is to spin you in circles a few times...' We need a full list of all those moments in all of his videos! haha They are just too great to miss!
The part about media is chilling when you see those compilations of news anchors repeating the exact same lines across multiple news channels. And not just the news stuff, sometimes they have the exact same jokes!
@@anthonycampbell97 One thing worth thinking about: that chart shown in the video shows 6 major companies owning 90% of the media. I'm fairly certain the compilation video cuts across parent company ownership.
His review is kind of unique IMHO as yes he does review the story and makes the parallel to the real world which is the main reason why people loves the story so much actually. I mean he described that the surface is totally the same as many other games, but the third layer is what makes the game "grandiose" I should say.
There was supposed to be an entire alternate storyline available if the player chose to side with UNATCO over Paul, which was cut out to fit into the game's deadline. Sort of makes you wonder just how phoned-in the endings were because of the same deadline and how much better off they were in the original script or storyboards.
@@NotHarpoGroucho The very first version of the game which was bugged as hell had no multiplayer, and yes that wasn't a mod at all. The devs added the MP component in a patch which allowed people to have a multiplayer, but people have to consider the multiplayer as a side thing than something where the game was totally made for. However the game because of multiplayer has spawned more mods because of this and even a modder to imagine an MMO mod which is totally great. The newer deus ex games will be totally forgotten while this one will stay out because it has modding and multiplayer. Also some mods added some good polish to thing game mostly in the areas where it was kind of weak such as AI, shooting mechanics which weren't great. But despite complaining about the shooting because I think it's a real weak point of the game. Most of its blueprints are solid. Like Ross is pointing out, the aiming is hard but the bullets should hurt a lot and that's the greatest point of the game regarding shooting.
I think, of all things, what made this game so good was that the Conspiracies turned out so well. That first guy in the statue of liberty who gives you a rundown of conspiracy is a gaming 'woah' moment I'll remember forever.
@@comicsans1689 Now these games can be shutdown by media and be targetted for being just: conspiracy theory baits, which are considered dangerous to people. Thus the game sales are not going to go well and the game wouldn't be able to exist. Especially when the video game market is so huge. An indie game might do this, but they will have to rely on publishers and if publishers dislike it they will shut the game down. Same like a taiwanese horror game that had critical mentions of the CCP. Almost all platforms shut the game down to the point you cannot buy it on most stores.
What did it for me with this game is it manages to be a crash course in actual hacking/cracking (for the time at least.) A good 3/4ths of the passwords in the game are defaults, and can be forced with a minute of trial and error. Just another sign of how much the staff cares about the player. The programmers were ideological wackos who *want* you to be l337 in real life. Not like current brogrammers who want the most of your money for the least amount of effort. It's a real love letter to whoever plays it.
This is why I miss Ross reviewing more well known games. He has such a unique take and high quality insightful commentary that you don't get anywhere else.
Your vision is augmented. That's why ever child looks that same, that's why ever terrorist looks the same. Your brain interprets reality in that way to make the missions easier...
+Windows Logo I heard that it's because it's an early 2000's game working with a late 90's engine that had technical limitations. I might be wrong though.
Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing video but I was _not_ expecting Ross to take this episode where he did. I feel like that one confused guy at the bar who can't figure out how we went from talking about pizza toppings to Communism in the space of thirty seconds
+Guardian "but i want LONGGGGG vids :3" But... The video was nearly 40 minutes....... When is it ever enough for you people? And besides, better to have a shorter and better video than one that attempts to be super long and starts to feel like an essay where someone tries to meet a minimum requirement by putting in throwaway words. If it ends up being long (like this one) in order to say everything that he feels he needs to say, great! But if he doesn't feel he needs very much time to discuss something, then, well, so be it.
***** Care to explain your hostility? Did you think I said something I didn't? Which part of what I said caused you to reply like you did? No, seriously, I'm trying to figure out what on earth is wrong with you.
I agree but I guess some might have seen what you said as offensive since you addressed humanity as one might address a flock of sheep. "When is it ever enough for you people" specifically sounds like an angry activist that just wants people to see the way they see but don't understand compassion. I didn't see it that way, but others might.
"I'm usually not much of a conspiracy theorist" Past Ross, I am here from 6 years in the future to tell you you were right about absolutely everything in this video.
@@Blei1986 actually "the cure" as well. Russian Sputnik-V was the first vaccine against Covid-19. And yet "western world" countries refused to adopt it while mass media instantly branded it as evil and politicians saying that they won't allow it to be used because it's a part of "Putin's vaccine diplomacy." Why? Well, there are american pharm companies that would lose *a lot* of money if Sputnik-V would've been given the green light. Not exactly the Ambrosia situation but very close as well.
They send you in first to see if you're capable, it IS on their doorstep, which is why they can send you in as a test, if things go south they could just storm the statue easily, but they wanna see how JC handles it
I could also add that it's not just JC Denton they're testing. They're developing nanotechnological augmentations which are supposed to replace the obsolete mechanical prosthetics. They want a real life test, but still in a controlled environment, that will decide the fate of the future of mankind. That's also why they only give you one weapon out of three. It bugged me why in later games the protagonist can't request all of the weapons offered.
This is also why JC can't just drop his gun and badge on his bosses desk and quit. He's a dog on a leash, and he will be put down if he acts the slightest out of line.
yeah, he's not just a rookie, he's more like robocop, except he's actually a higher-tech robocop replacing the older tech robocops. and there's also the message that he's treated as more of a product than an employee or person by the higher-ups. (and as well, what I've always loved about the game, and they captured it well in the newer ones, is the sense of family you get while working at the company, which contrasts nicely with the "treated as a product" vibe you get from the people pulling your strings.)
It's awesome when 2 of my favorite RUclipsrs are actually fans of each other. Especially with this.... Never expected to see you here. Love your content.
Part of the appeal of Deus Ex is the ability to break the systems. It's like Thief, System Shock, Bioshock etc. A genre PCGamer called "immersive sim" which is best described as "if you can put a box in front of an alarm to stop a guard from pressing it, it's an immersive sim. If the guard pressing that button causes a game over, it's not." So basically, games that let you play with their systems as part of the natural gameplay, although you can play through them normally.
"Talks about how you're more likely to die from lightning strikes that terror acts" "Shows footage of JC getting electrocuted to death" Oh, Ross, I love your sense of humor))
Epstine’s girlfriend was tried at the same time as the Johnny Depp Amber Herd trial. Now Epstine’s girlfriend is in a small prison and the list she gave has not been released and no arrests have been made.
Also in terms of the story of Deus Ex. the U.S is actually in a state of post second American civil war, the original NSF were actually the "Northwest Secessionist Forces" and while they were defeated by UNATCO and the U.S Army, many survived and went on to train the current generation of NSF guerrillas.
Technically the third. The American Loyalists were the ones fighting for their country in the first. While the Yankees had DECREED that they were a new nation, so did the Confederacy. The fact that the patriotic team won the second time but not the first is probably why the first civil war isn't called one.
I actually went out and bought this game because of this review. Just got to UNATCO and heard a russian guy talk about how the vending machine didn't give him orange soda. I like this game.
The thing about this that I find moderately chilling is how morpheus describes how data mining algorithms can serve the role of god. Such algorithms have been in place for years, operating social media sites to determine what ends up in your feed, what adds you see, etc. We live under a dozen Helioses, staffed by a handful of bob pages. Currently they don’t want to be god; they just want more money, regardless of the harm that can be done.
@@glint55581 I understand your sentiment, and I sympathize with it greatly. However, it is duly noted by Brandon and myself. Tell me, who wouldn’t shoot for a chance to be one of the most powerful and influential people in the world?
@Samar3n What can you do to stop it? The only people who have the power to change anything want things like climate change to happen. It’s a great opportunity for a power grab.
12:09 "we never actually SEE proof" the proof is literally hidden on top of the server rack to the right, right at this moment, just jump and right click on it lmao, you got the payements to manderley and others..
Plus, JC directly witnesses strong evidence of UNATCO's corruption at several points: * If you talk to Paul on the docks after he gives you your marching orders, he mentions that he botched an assassination of a triad member. Paul says it in a kind of offhand way and JC doesn't give any indication that anything is amiss with such an order, but right off the bat, it's Paul telling JC that UNATCO is corrupt. Police shouldn't be assassinating anyone. * JC was given an illegal order to murder Lebedev, who had surrendered and was not resisting arrest. * Walton Simons has the run of the UNATCO HQ, even though, as far as anyone tells JC, Simons is just the director of FEMA. This is evidence that UNATCO has a secret chain of command, unaccountable to democratic checks and balances. * Walton Simons has the same type of prototype nano-augmentations as JC. This is evidence that he is some sort of covert operative. * Walton Simons walks into a UNATCO cell, conducts an interrogation, then straight-up murders an unarmed, non-resisting NSF soldier, and none of the UNATCO officers object or even seem surprised. * Dialog from one random UNATCO agent indicates that every NSF soldier that was arrested was executed without having been given a trial. Illegal and fascist. * There is a cure for the Gray Death that is being kept a secret from the public. * UNATCO installs killswitches into its augmented agents, without their knowledge or consent. * When Manderley tells JC about the killswitches, he seems outright terrified by the people he's working for. It is utterly naive to think that JC could just resign from UNATCO, and what "other authorities" could JC contact? The conspirators obviously have their fingers in at least some American bureaucracies, given Simons' position. Even assuming the FBI or DOJ could do something, while those wheels are turning, Paul is dying. And who realistically believes that the kind of people who are responsible for the above are just going to let a multibillion dollar superweapon walk off and find a new career? So JC really only had two options: become an assassin for corrupt, unknown and unaccountable powers or help his own brother. Under the circumstances, the latter is an eminently reasonable choice.
You're wrong. It's literally the document he's reading at that moment. I guess Ross either didn't think it was sufficient, or didn't realise "P" is Paul. You're not going crazy, in the GOTY edition that datacube is on the server racks. But I think Ross is playing the older maps (which is arguably a good thing) where it's in the cabinet as seen in the video.
By explicitly attaching its themes to current events, you elevate this review of Deus Ex above the majority of others. Gaming's obsession with avoiding politics causes us to overlook or under-appreciate some of its finest works.
Yup. A game that is willing to actually own its message and go "This is why we think this makes sense, and let us show it to you" can be really really refreshing and change the way you look at the world. After playing Spec Ops The Line for the first time, for example, it crushed my still naive belief that intentions matter. After seeing just how easy it is for good intentions to lead to horrifying outcomes, well, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that "Intentions mean jack shit. It's only your actions and the consequences of them that matter"
@@AegixDrakan Makes you wonder why it doesn't mention Kalergi Plan or the population replacement that is going on. What would the game really look like?
yeah. we thought it was prescient because there was the whole post-9/11 boom of terrorism, but now it's even more worrisome now that the finger's starting to be seriously pointed at _domestic_ terrorism. I fear a second Patriot Act, this time driven by the wheels of corporate leftism. And I say this as someone who identifies left-of-centre.
That was a fantastic analysis, really glad I subscribed. The twin towers being missing in the game has always freaked me out, and the part where you mention the predictions made including the whole terrorism news coverage freaks me out even more. It is almost as if Deus Ex is a warning from a time traveller.
More like analyitcal thinkers who are interested in the future happen to guess right sometimes - if you're excited about this level, get into Philip K Dick. Though the WTC thing is "pure" coincidence - though I do sort of believe that events converge upon significance and sometimes apparent coincidence manifests similarities in that way, because in spite of our material-based perspective, events are primary and the material which expresses them is secondary, which seems backwards from our typical cause-effect understanding til you approach life resolutely from a place of "I think therefore I am." But yeah, that said, a meaningful coincidence is still a coincidence. We just tend to devalue the word coincidence as if it doesn't mean anything. Carl Jung famously disagreed. But yeah, if you get into sci-fi in general, you will see a lot of oddly specific touches and traces of the future. "If you cut into the present, the future bleeds out." - William S. Burroughs
Something I never see brought up is how the huge terrorist compound is hidden under UNATCO headquarters, which is the place you go a few times in between missions. There is a doctor, a firearm guy, etc. that you slowly get to know. There is petty drama and hidden secrets just like a real office, and it seems like a safe place you can rest from the danger of your missions. When you break out of prison and find yourself needing to escape from this office, its really a fantastic narrative gaming moment.
J.C., you of all people should understand that to the government, terrorism is all the same. At some point, context stops being significant once a problem is severe enough.
Damn, you're spot on with that Smuggler's Den - DLC rant. I never thought of it that way, but makes perfect sense. There's nothing worse than starting a Fallout 3 game and getting 17 DLC quest notifications thrown at your face out of nowhere because you have all the DLC's installed. I also remember talking to NPC's about Solstheim in Morrowind and always thinking "oh, it's that part of the game I need to go to after I finish this part". It really is immersion breaking.
@@Marcelelias11 old games could easily render mirrors because they don't take as much power, modern games have to render ssao, shaders, 4k textures etc, but now that rtx exists we can easily do it but the thing is that its wayyy to expensive rn
except the graphs are cherry picked. Tax chart starts in 1935 (great depression) and the income tax was ratified and went into effect in 1913 (corp tax started in 1909) so that's 20 years that were left out. Don't know what those numbers are. Also notice that in 1935 adding Individual and Corp tax only accounts for 30% of taxes. So the chart really makes no sense.
Regarding how you can beat the game without killing anyone, I remember when I first tried a method of sparing Anna Navarre at UNATCO that I had learned about on the TTLG forums. You can lure her into the prison cell area and barricade her in with a metal crate, then wound one of the guards near the front door so that he flees through it and unlocks it for you in the process. This is a game exploit, sure enough, but the thing is that Deus Ex _actually plans for this eventuality_. Later on when you're on your way to confront Gunther Hermann at the Templar Cathedral, his lines of dialogue are completely different, and he does not act as though you killed Agent Navarre. Incidentally, you can spare his life too, if you can manage to wound him until he flees.
Nope, he's right. There are two infolinks from Gunther that change depending on the state of the AnnaNavarre_Dead flag. One is right after escaping UNATCO HQ (Won't play at all if AnnaNavarre_Dead = false) and the other is in the templar cathedral (Text is different depending on if AnnaNavarre_Dead is true or false). Other than those two changes the game behaves as if Anna Navarre is dead once you escape from UNATCO.
You can also kill Navarre way before the UNATCO battle. Easy to do in the mission where you need to get to the plane and Manderley even makes a remark about her death after you finish that mission.
@@tofast4ya lol I've seen a speedrunner kill Navarra and Lucius at the same time with the rpg. It never even occurred to me to just kill em like that to save time.
Okay this is 3 years old I know... but hear me out... isn't there a console command to skip levels? Perhaps the devs planned for players to use that code, which might automatically leave Agent Navarra alive since the player didn't actively kill her, they just skipped the level. I haven't tested this but I know there's a skip level command and I can easily see the devs planning for that outcome.
DEUS EX starts with a world devastated by a virus? This game just keeps checking off events in the future as if someone actually came from the future to make this game
@@PasserMontanus Jeeze man, the CCP virus is a world narrative changing pandemic on the lines of September 11. It cannot be compared to SARs, MERs or any of the recent diseases. The CCP virus isnt deadly, agreed. It is not lethal on the lines of the EBOLA virus but it is as infectious as the common cold and comparatively very deadly to the common cold. 100 million infections from the common cold leads to maybe 0 deaths but 100 million infections from CCP leads to 1 million deaths. Please the entire world some credit for their actions.
@@recca9800 I'll give them credit for completely destroying economies over a virus that has a 99% survival rate, if you're under the age of 60 and in relatively good health. Did you know that over 40% of all CCP virus deaths in the US came from nursing homes or other homes for the elderly? Did you also know that there are 4-5 states that are actively putting sick people in nursing homes? This virus has way more deaths than it should have and it's either due to incompetence or malice.
@@nonocon0618 The problem isn't the survival rate, the problem is infection rate and hospitals getting overloaded. Once the hospitals become understaffed people are going to die from things like having a major allergic reaction or getting into a car crash and not having access to emergency care, as well as the infection becoming more deadly because people can't get treatment. I'm still with you on the incompetence or malice though.
Huh- the moment I get so bored I resort to scrolling through the Sub box, Ross uploads a new Game Dungeon! Further proof Ross is actually emplanting spycams in all his subscribers' houses slowly
I hear that Paradox is interested in making a new one - I recently filled a survey about videogame rpgs, which included personal favorites of mine like VTM Bloodlines and Baldur's Gate 2.
2 things: 1: i absolutely love how devoted you are to soundtracks. I too share a deep appreciation for game soundtracks and fully acknowledge the importance of sound design and soundtracks in all forms of entertainment media. In fact game soundtrack scoring/composition is kind of my dream job. 2: i watched freeman's kind forever ago. I watched the video sterling recently linked to youre extremely well worded game industry critque. So i subbed and started watching this dungeon series thinking all the time, "jesus, why do i know this guys voice?" having never put those two things together. Back in the day, i was just searching for the series name. Lol i guess. Anyway, excellent work.
I rewatch this video from time to time, the original DX is my favorite game by far and no one has done a better job of encapsulating the meaningfulness of it.
Metal Gear kinda does like this game, only... It's not always accurate, and subtlety is thrown out the window. The is *_NO_* denying how uncomfortable MGS2 is to witness nowadays, concerning the internet at least.
One thing that always fascinated me about all of Ross's dives into Deus Ex is how they demonstrate how completely differently two people can experience the exact same thing. Specifically here - the gameplay. I look at how Ross plays it, and his description of the gameplay and I'm just... wut? What game is even talking about? It never even occurred to me until literally seeing these videos that you could even get the idea that you should play this like an ordinary shooter. It's a stealth game for goodness sake! To me, absolutely everything seemed to cue me on to the fact that this was much closer to real life: For sure, I'm an awesome agent with awesome enhancements, but if I'm gonna take on dozens of armed opponents I gotta be ninja-batman. Sneaking, observing, planning, silent takedowns, move the apprehended suspects... that was and is the game for me, with all Deus Ex! I don't think I killed anyone until Majestic 12 came into the picture, and then I was so pissed off about Paul and it felt to me like everything shifted. I wasn't a police officer anymore, I was just a lone guy fighting a desperate fight against an actual global takeover conspiracy. Anywho, loved to see someone actually diving into those deeper layers that really pulled me in too back in the day, and presented in such an awesome way! Though that gameplay side of it will never not be fascinating to me :p
The greatest game review I have ever seen on RUclips and a worthy contender for one of my favorite videos ever, on my favorite game. Thanks so much Ross
Guys, I've lived my life wrong until now. I *just* discovered this channel - I have no idea how I could've missed it. And it actually was RUclips's algorithm doing things right. Yeah, Accursed Farms was recommended by the site itself. I think it has something to do with me watching editorial style videos from MandaloreGaming, GManlives and Neverknowsbest. The last four days I've been binge watching the game dungeon playlist. I caught a glimpse of Deus Ex being wedged right in the middle of the timeline but I bid my time nonetheless, even though Deus Ex being one of my favourite games of all time. And Ross very eloquently reminded me tonight (1 a.m., Germany/GMT+1) why that is. *SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROSS!* I love this video. You just earned a like and a rare sub from me :)
Still makes sense though, a better marksman would logically be able to do more damage with individual shots by placing them well. Like say for example a poor shot could hit but only graze the target, or hit a non vital area
@Shallex very true, and in that case this would normally be represented in a miniscule crit chance, but I don't remember if Deus Ex had crits or not. I don't think it did.
28:09 *"It's been simplified or distorted to the point where it might as well be a kid's cartoon."* For more information, play Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
Rose-shrouded Confessor Very true, but you need to realize that Kojima hit the nail on the head when he was talking about the flow of information in the internet age. The “Create Context” speech.
I'm replaying it right now and GEP gun is just an early game thing where it gets superseded by assault rifle 20 mm grenades. The plasma rifle even with the correct damage (GOTY version incorrectly uses multiplayer plasma damage in singleplayer) still pales in comparison to the beast of a flamethrower. Men in black are supposed to be flame retardant, but aren't. Walton "the dumbass" Simons doesn't know how to use his aggressive defense aug. MJ12 commandos are the only enemy flamethrower can't handle, that's where the 20 mm grenades come in. LAW is a single shot rocket launcher, but even with untrained heavy weapons it's the game's BFG, able to clear an entire room of mechs and the toughest troops.
@@lovecraftcat Yeah it's like UT's redeemer although this never made the game unsubtle for one bit Though the gep is devastating with WP ammo while the main rockets are great against anything else
Old, old, old reply but I still think the most aggressive DLC immersion destruction is in Dragon Age: Origins, where the very first time you go to camp, like an hour in, there's an NPC standing around yelling "GIMME YOUR CREDIT CARD FOR MORE CONTENT" and they're there for the rest of the game.
@@badbeardbill9956 RUclips and Google are far, far too big to even notice this video. The corruption from the rich is a problem but, using an overarching problem to explain all things that could possibly be caused by it is lazy. Reminds me of how, even though I obviously believe climate change is happening, explaining every single severe weather event as "climate change" isn't really convincing. There's no way to establish much of a causal link so it just makes it sound like you're crazy. It's probably right but, it's a bad argument. In this case I just straight up don't think there's a link, and if anything is keeping Ross down, it's the fact that this isn't easily monetizable and the long-form videos aren't preferred by the algorithm.
@@YukonHexsun Yeah. They also have programs that can detect certain things within videos. Consider why this isn't easily monetizable and why videos like this aren't preferred by the algorithm. The answer is that videos like this are exactly what the algorithm is designed to hurt. Of course others that aren't on the exact same topics are also hurt but... we know that YT manipulates the algorithm to be morel likely to show the things it wants you to see. Noticing this specific video isn't necessary - constructing a system that specifically hurts this category of videos? Not so far fetched.
@@badbeardbill9956 You're being vague. What "Category" can this algorithm detect? You aren't talking about the presence of violent content or swearing, you're talking about political speech. You're talking about an algorithm that can successfully generate text for an algorithm to work with (check the auto-generated subtitles to see how well that works) and then to intelligently discern the INTENTION of those words and phrases. I'm not some highly skilled programmer, I wouldn't be able to write these algorithms myself at my current level of knowledge. However, I know the current status of AI, how effective Google's algorithms are at successfully identifying things, and how good voice to speech is. Those are all lacking too much to make this idea feasible. So yes it's far fetched, maybe not for the reasons you think. My point is it's in the sea of content so a human would have to identify this kind of content and bury it for that reason.
@@YukonHexsun No. They don't have to care about intention at all - in fact it's obvious that the algorithm doesn't. It only needs to identify key words. This is already documented - videos get flagged very quickly in some cases. Indeed it's also possible that a "blacklist" of sorts exists. I've looked into the state of programming, AI, speech to text, and so on is. It's a lot better than you'd think. And with the resources Google has, it really is not far fetched that an algorithm exists to purposefully parse content that Google doesn't want you to see - indeed we already know this algorithm exists, the question is what it's looking out for.
AMAZING review. Played it at my age of 20 when just was released, and the story still blows my mind. And to these days, still waiting for a game with a same complex, real and prophetic plot to come out.
I really liked(?) to think about 2 cyber-punk themed games in early 2000's, Deus Ex and Metal Gear Solid2, having the commentary on terrorism. They are both SF, inspired by spy movies and conspiracy theory, and they both warn the terrorism causing powerful top-down control before the war on terror begins(MGS2 was published after 911 but it was made during that incidence).
Meanwhile at Bethesda: "So what should the institute's reasoning be?" "Uhh I dunno, lets just use that 'its too complicated for you to understand' crap" "Phew, I thought we were gonna have to give motivations and goals to our characters and settings!" "Yeah! It's a good thing our job is reliant on a subjective medium and all the professional reviews will focus more on bugs than the fact we haven't written a decent story since morrowind!"
The Institution's motivation is pretty clear. They decided that every person on the surface is an unnecessary danger to themselves. But they don't think that they have the resources yet to wage a full scale war and wipe everyone out directly. So they want you to get a part that would let them increase output of their main reactor so that they can ramp up production of the gen 3s. With that they would have a stronger army and could shift from simply maintaining security through constant subversion and manipulation on the surface to more direct warfare. Once they control the surface they can directly harvest the resources above ground where there is still a lot of radiation which they would then bring underground to increase their living space and thus population where it is safe. See the Institute members feel that they are superior to the common rabble on the surface and the only ones who should inherit the future. That also means they believe they shouldn't have to do the dirty manual labor jobs. So they put alot of effort into making organic robots to do the manual for them. Since the gen 3s are still robots and not people the Institute doesn't view them with the same disgust as the people in need of termination and removal as the people on the surface. The ones who are constantly attacking and assaulting, robbing and enslaving each other. They feel like the masters of their domain because they make and control robots that look and act just like people. And that is part of their problem. Because the gen 3s look like people there are some empathic members of the Institute who think that the gen 3s should be treated more like people while others view the gen 3s purely as robots. But regardless of where the Institute falls on the gen 3 issue they all agree that the rabble on the surface need to be purged. Hence why so many in the Institute have no issue with using the commoners as test subjects or kidnapping them and replacing them with gen 3 robot lookalikes. Father probably isn't even your son. If you follow the story closely you find that the person who introduces himself as your son has actually been in control of the Institute for over 100 years. He was the same man who ordered the capture of your baby from the vault. If you actually paid attention to the story instead of taking issue with it not being as constantly stupid as Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas you would have learned what the Institute's motivation was.
@@GeorgeMonet Great read! It gets me thinking about Vault City and wonder if Vault City in Fallout 2 had the same power as the institute and same resources and technology, if they would be even worse than the institute, or if we would see a more benevolent side of them. Vault city’s president wanted to hear nothing short of not estimating the ghouls in Gecko, yet they still welcomed wastelanders around their city and even in with a day pass, although they made certain that none could become a citizen. But back to what you mentioned about Father not being your son. I saw the Fallout timeline out of curiosity and I saw the time of the vault in fallout 4 being opened and “Shaun” being met didn’t really make sense, because “Shaun” seemed to be much older than he should given the time that passed.
@@GeorgeMonet Because one line where Kellogg refers to the "old man" in his memory of the vault kidnapping? Extremely thin. And if your theory is correct that just makes the story and character motivations far *less* coherent. I agree that the Institute does seem fairly united in its disdain for surface dwellers, but it's not a very compelling motivation for anything that they do. They pretty much seem to have everything they want, and it is hard to believe that the Institute really believes the surface constitutes an existential threat to them, and they also seem ambivalent about scav operations, treating them as unfortunate shortcuts rather than something they want to keep doing in the longer term. Also, their main paramilitary division is called the Synth Retention Bureau. Conquest doesn't really seem to be in the Institute's culture.
They didn't even do morrowind correctly.They removed half of the game.They were supposed to be an entire different half of it where you could side with The sixth house and the tribe unmourned
I have never seen a game review morph into a documentary before... And I am glad it did! I also read between the lines in games, and that's probably why I don't find casual games much appealing. I always need something with narrative... I actually prefer a game with bad narrative than one without one at all! These reviews have always been great, but now they have been taken a step further. Their originality is consolidated, I just hope more people find about them.
The end of this video also made me weep in just how powerless the individual has become even in a "free society," where even someone who wants to resist the system can be manipulated into helping to perpetuate it
That's why you must exercise all the power you do have to get and stay as debt free as possible, so you can steer your life with as much freedom as possible
@@jghifiversveiws8729in some way it might be in that the colonization of space would bring a “joy” to humanity, with new places to explore and new places to settle. New challenges to overcome. But it also brings with it new opportunities for people to be exploited
Ross, I would highly enjoy hearing your thoughts on Pathologic. The game is a true diamond in the rough that really deserves far more recognition than it gets.
Any Ice-Pick Lodge game really, they all would be perfect for a Game Dungeon. I'm sure he knows of them, there is no way he doesn't know them. I've found this in the forums: “Are you planning on doing a Game Dungeon on Pathologic HD?” Summary: Still needs to play it. Not fond of depressing games, unless it ‘goes somewhere’. Will give it a try.
This was brilliant man. Excellent discussion of my favourite game. The thoughts you expressed regarding consolidation and power moving away from the individual are true. I feel that youtube is at least some way for the average person to become self-employed in a manner speaking, although it is owned by a mega corporation. Cheers!
Nice thoughts but the truest part of your statement are the words "mega corporation" The problem is that nobody is taught the difference. RUclips isn't self-employment, it's a roll of the dice and they're loaded.
Revision is shit. It changes levels around too much. Even to the point where sometimes when characters give you directions to places its incorrect because the revision team thought they knew better than ion storm.
I only play Revision now. Fixes a lot of bugs and the new level design is much muuuchh better. Revision is better in every way honestly. It got an official release for a reason. GMDX is good too.
Old ass corrections: -You're thrown onto liberty to test just how OP nano augmentation as a concept is. Paul knows his shit and is a practiced hand, and he does awesome shit, but what if you just hurl a dude with an OP buff and 0 skills into pure hell? Can he still do it? The canonical answer is yes. God damn. Gunther and Anna have some quips about how jelly they are that nanoaugs are meta breaking as fuck. -You can nonlethal takedowns MIB's. They have a text file talking about the agent P series, and how they detonate if their heart stops, to erase all evidence of them ever being there should they die and be prime for dissection. Hence, if knock them out their heart is still beating, they won't explode violently. -Nonlethal is supposed to be hard. Your brother urges you to practice morality over efficiency, but you also meet coworkers who have a different philosophy. Taking the high ground is not easy, but you do get some pats on the back for it, and sometimes even a reward or two. -Damage *is* handled by skills, but it's far less noticeable than the ability to hit things consistently.
To add to this comment, there's a data pad somewhere on Liberty Island (I think? I could be misremembering. It's been about a decade since I last played.) somewhere explaining how to more effectively utilize non lethal combat. You sneak up behind people and hit them in the base of the spine. For most NPCs, you can one shot them with the baton this way, but for MIBs or those mech cyborg guys you see later in the game it'll take a charge or 2 from the stun prod. TLDR smack em on the bottom of the spine for non-lethal takedowns.
You really knocked this out of the park, Ross. Great analysis of the story. Cheers man. At the end of the day, there are more of us than them. Don't give up hope.
Fun fact. The Swedish Air Force is scrapping all of their 97 JAS Gripen fighter planes (many of them are brand new) because there is a new, more modern jet avalible on the market. How much did those 97 planes cost the swedish tax payers? Anywhere between 60 to 100 BILLION kronor. Or 7,18 to 11,97 billion dolars. Fuuuuck! So naturally we ask the question, which company produces these planes? SAAB, one of the biggest Swedish companies. Now while you could argue the fact that the Air Force is important (which it is) it feels strange to me that while the Swedish Defence Force buys plane after plane many of the regular soldiers are unable to get all the gear they are supposed to have because "there is none avalible" because of funding problems. Hmm... Add to this the fact that apparently many of our pilots are not getting enough air time to practice some very essential skills like attacking ground targets because of, what else?, funding problems.
But wait, that's not all! To top it all off, and this is where I almost start to reach for my tinfoil hat, our last ÖB (that's Överbefälhavare or Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces) actually questioned why the Swedish Defence Force spent so much money on planes when we litterally had soldiers wandering around with holes in their boots or clothes of the wrong size and promised to fix te issiue. Fast forward six months and he suddenly retired with no real explanation without having fixed the problem. Wow... Just plain wow... Granted it may be the influence from the review talking, but no matter how you look at it it's looking shifty as all hell.
You know the beauty of this game? As popular as it was at the time, they never went with wild atmosphere designs for the future 2050's. They kept it very tame which is actually realistic af! Realistically, it won't be at least another 100 years before we see those flying cars and 200-story apartments drowned in the neon sea. So I think 2050's will most likely look not much different than now, which makes Deus Ex terrifyingly more realistic.
I don't think we'll ever see flying cars, for a few reasons that almost never get touched upon: - spending energy to fight gravity is very inefficient, when you can *not* do that by using roads instead. - navigating in 3 dimensions is vastly more difficult than on roads, even assuming we'll be able to fully automate that - computers do fail, and a manual control will always be necessary in emergency situations. You don't want a bad capacitor to cost you your life, don't you? This would mean drivers would actually have to receive pilot training because they are now operating aerial vehicles, which among other things can be used to drop bombs or straight out be a bomb (9.11) so in case anyone goes mad or wants to kill people, that 's a great tool. - flying under influence of alcohol, drugs or medicine is dangerous enough as it is - unless we can develop 100% self-driving flying vehicles that will never ever fail and cause death (Tesla) - it would produce a lot of noise, making everyone require hearing protection to not go bonkers after a few weeks of living in a city - it creates new possibilities of catastrophic failures without requiring user neglect or malice - right now if your engine breaks down you just need to push your car to the side and call assistance - with a flying vehicle you may crash and die with your entire family because of the same level failure - this would require much, much tighter production standards as well as much more frequent technical inspections which would both drive the cost through the roof (pun intended) and be annoying as heck. Imagine having to fly your car to a workshop every month instead of driving it there once a year. As such any self-identified technical issue would immediatelly ground your flying car to save the lives of yours and others in case that will cause the car to drop from the sky. So you'll need to haul your car to the workshop more than anything. - right now we are heading towards an energy crysis, and flying cars would be extremely wasteful in terms of energy consumption, no matter what propulsion technology we can develop - you still need to counteract the gravity force, and there's no shortcuts there. - Assuming we do survive the energy crysis and develop everlasting, practically unlimited sources of energy, that energy still needs to be trasmitted to charging stations etc. - We'd need to develop entirely different battery technology if flying cars would be electric, or develop tiny portable nuclear reactors which I don't think we'll ever see due to how much pressure and heat is needed, not to mention having millions of nuclear reactors flying and crashing all over the place would be extra risky, unless somehow they can be made indestructible as well - I think we'd probably be still needing different kind of fuel, and not uranium rods to power our cars. I think even if all the technical issues are ever resolved, it would still be incredibly wasteful so I think only a handful of billionairs would go for it, and they would still not us that as daily drivers, and at least one would die in a tragic incident. Add any option of corporations cutting cost and ignoring technical issues (Takata airbags) costing people life-changing injury or death.
Midztoyz We are turning into shadowrun without the magic, and here comes a generation of failed seekers trying to fix the world but ruin it more. It is depressing really.
It hits like a Tyson punch now, but by the time we get to the time of this game, it'll hit like a freight train. Assuming we aren't already KO'd by then.
I just finished Deus Ex for the first time a few days ago. Some video games age poorly. Some games age pretty well. Deus Ex seems like it ages in reverse. Its story gave me chills.
The only other sci-fi setting I can think of being such a massive well of topics is Ghost in the Shell. You got discussions on the ethics and consequences of cybernetic implants and hooking your brain up to the internet, what defines a human in a world where you can replace basically every part of your body with robot parts, AI gaining self-awareness, memes (not those memes, the other memes), refugees, politics, etc.
@@TheJas20 The bilderburg group is a group[ of billionaires that meet yearly and discuss how they are going to take over the world Most of them are from money so old the money has pictures of roman emperors on it
@@reksie7816 No issue, Its a good and insightful read though extremely terrifying seeing how this corruption has been with our nation since the 1900's without change, most likely even longer.
This is one of those games that when I first played it, It stuck with me for a good reason because it has a compelling story and it has a soundtrack that is so memorable
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Brilliant video bubson.
WHOA! Dunkey found another reviewer equally or even more based than him! LOL
Seriously though, you two are some of the FEW people who still provide RUclips with great content... I don't think those dumb suits at Google appreciate you guys enough.
videogamedunkey wow. I can't believe you found Ross I hope you'll enjoy his other content oh hey one thing Peeeeeeeeeeelican
Yo what the fuck Dunkey knows Ross or likes Deus Ex??
Videogamedunkey?
You're that ninja.
what a shame..... i never asked for this, but a bomb!?
Playing DeusEx in 2000: This game is so immersive, they put in so much detail with the new 3D technology!
Playing DeusEx in 2020: This game is so immersive, you can actively experience it when you go outside!
People were saying that 5, 10, 15, and 20 years ago.
@@Dennis-nc3vw just not nearly enough.. now its so fucking obvious this world is run by psychopaths and parasites that this kind of comment gets to the top.
we are truly living in epic times! the matrix is collapsing and the truth will prevail!
Half the US is talking about militias and civil war too.
This might be the most prophetic game ever, and it was made to be ridiculous by taking every conspiracy lol
Most games and even the sequels doesn't reach its level of interactivity and they don't have its depth regarding its 3 layered story.
Maybe because I am a boomer and I've read von Mises, Hayek and Rothbard, who were saying these things since the 1940s, I wasn't that impressed by the ideas of Deus Ex but I was impressed that somebody had balls to put them into a mainstream game. Because you are still labeled a crazy person if you quote from "Omnipotent Government" or "America's Great Depression" (Road to Serfdom is more mainstream) even today, let alone in 2000. Mad respect to these guys.
21:13 "I would argue, from a certain light-"
[Flashlight activates in-game]
its these really subtle visual gags that make Accursed Farms that much funnier
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I love stuff like that
I noticed it too lol
04:16 'Deus Ex's approach to the storyline is to spin you in circles a few times...'
We need a full list of all those moments in all of his videos! haha
They are just too great to miss!
Another great moment is when he's talking about playing games for escapism, and then throws a bottle on someone's head just for fun.
The part about media is chilling when you see those compilations of news anchors repeating the exact same lines across multiple news channels. And not just the news stuff, sometimes they have the exact same jokes!
Many news organisations are owned and controlled by the same people. Not much of a surprise that they all promote the same agenda.
Might as well just say, 'Big Brother' and be done.
@@anthonycampbell97 One thing worth thinking about: that chart shown in the video shows 6 major companies owning 90% of the media. I'm fairly certain the compilation video cuts across parent company ownership.
Solution: Ignore them. It's how I stay sane.
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I came for a game review and left with a better understanding of the economy and politics. Ross you blow my mind
I'm left with the thought, that the old bums were born around the same time as me.
@@theblancmange1265 Hey, at least you get to live to see the cool cyberpunk future!
His review is kind of unique IMHO as yes he does review the story and makes the parallel to the real world which is the main reason why people loves the story so much actually.
I mean he described that the surface is totally the same as many other games, but the third layer is what makes the game "grandiose" I should say.
Redpill Ross
@@No-hf5xb "Facist" reads like a person who's irrationally opposed to faces.
There was supposed to be an entire alternate storyline available if the player chose to side with UNATCO over Paul, which was cut out to fit into the game's deadline. Sort of makes you wonder just how phoned-in the endings were because of the same deadline and how much better off they were in the original script or storyboards.
Oh man, now you made me crave for that
I have dreams about being rich enough to fund a reboot with moon base/white house level, Unatco storyline, and polished multiplayer
@Brooke Stern Uhhhh, there was multiplayer tho
@Brooke Stern Pretty sure no mods were required mate. Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
@@NotHarpoGroucho The very first version of the game which was bugged as hell had no multiplayer, and yes that wasn't a mod at all.
The devs added the MP component in a patch which allowed people to have a multiplayer, but people have to consider the multiplayer as a side thing than something where the game was totally made for.
However the game because of multiplayer has spawned more mods because of this and even a modder to imagine an MMO mod which is totally great.
The newer deus ex games will be totally forgotten while this one will stay out because it has modding and multiplayer.
Also some mods added some good polish to thing game mostly in the areas where it was kind of weak such as AI, shooting mechanics which weren't great.
But despite complaining about the shooting because I think it's a real weak point of the game. Most of its blueprints are solid.
Like Ross is pointing out, the aiming is hard but the bullets should hurt a lot and that's the greatest point of the game regarding shooting.
I think, of all things, what made this game so good was that the Conspiracies turned out so well. That first guy in the statue of liberty who gives you a rundown of conspiracy is a gaming 'woah' moment I'll remember forever.
The best part is that the (serious) conspiracies are real. You won't see any modern games name-drop the Rothschilds like Deus Ex.
@@comicsans1689 Now these games can be shutdown by media and be targetted for being just: conspiracy theory baits, which are considered dangerous to people. Thus the game sales are not going to go well and the game wouldn't be able to exist. Especially when the video game market is so huge. An indie game might do this, but they will have to rely on publishers and if publishers dislike it they will shut the game down.
Same like a taiwanese horror game that had critical mentions of the CCP. Almost all platforms shut the game down to the point you cannot buy it on most stores.
What did it for me with this game is it manages to be a crash course in actual hacking/cracking (for the time at least.) A good 3/4ths of the passwords in the game are defaults, and can be forced with a minute of trial and error. Just another sign of how much the staff cares about the player. The programmers were ideological wackos who *want* you to be l337 in real life. Not like current brogrammers who want the most of your money for the least amount of effort. It's a real love letter to whoever plays it.
Didn’t expect to see the black pants legion here but Iam happy nonetheless.
@@comicsans1689 Hey now, that's anti-Semitic!
This is why I miss Ross reviewing more well known games. He has such a unique take and high quality insightful commentary that you don't get anywhere else.
Your vision is augmented. That's why ever child looks that same, that's why ever terrorist looks the same. Your brain interprets reality in that way to make the missions easier...
+Windows Logo I heard that it's because it's an early 2000's game working with a late 90's engine that had technical limitations. I might be wrong though.
Is my vision also augmented, if I'm seeing every "every" as "ever"..?
@@movement2contact it's old English
You must be fun at partys
Haha clever analysis
Me: I promise I won't get all political.
3 drinks later: so lemme tell you about this hairless guy in the Statue of Liberty
Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing video but I was _not_ expecting Ross to take this episode where he did. I feel like that one confused guy at the bar who can't figure out how we went from talking about pizza toppings to Communism in the space of thirty seconds
@Dantes230 Eeeeh... Look for evidence yourself, don't just take everything Ross says at face value.
Andrew what’d he get wrong?
Welp if you’re hear you cracked the code years ago
You should all be forwarn
Brilliantly researched and realised. This might be the best Game Dungeon yet.
IMO Strife is his best one. Very concise and he touches all topics while being very entertaining throughout
+Guardian
"but i want LONGGGGG vids :3"
But... The video was nearly 40 minutes....... When is it ever enough for you people? And besides, better to have a shorter and better video than one that attempts to be super long and starts to feel like an essay where someone tries to meet a minimum requirement by putting in throwaway words.
If it ends up being long (like this one) in order to say everything that he feels he needs to say, great! But if he doesn't feel he needs very much time to discuss something, then, well, so be it.
*****
Care to explain your hostility? Did you think I said something I didn't?
Which part of what I said caused you to reply like you did?
No, seriously, I'm trying to figure out what on earth is wrong with you.
ez troll
I agree but I guess some might have seen what you said as offensive since you addressed humanity as one might address a flock of sheep. "When is it ever enough for you people" specifically sounds like an angry activist that just wants people to see the way they see but don't understand compassion. I didn't see it that way, but others might.
"I'm usually not much of a conspiracy theorist" Past Ross, I am here from 6 years in the future to tell you you were right about absolutely everything in this video.
well.... except of the "cure" (wax)
cohhcarnage called me crazy when he pkayed it
@@Blei1986 actually "the cure" as well. Russian Sputnik-V was the first vaccine against Covid-19. And yet "western world" countries refused to adopt it while mass media instantly branded it as evil and politicians saying that they won't allow it to be used because it's a part of "Putin's vaccine diplomacy."
Why? Well, there are american pharm companies that would lose *a lot* of money if Sputnik-V would've been given the green light. Not exactly the Ambrosia situation but very close as well.
@@vantuz8264 bro, there are no countries anymore... they're all under THEIR controll
The cyberpunk dystopia we thought we were getting: DX1's intro
The cyberpunk dystopia we got instead: the intro to Deus Ex: The Recut
They send you in first to see if you're capable, it IS on their doorstep, which is why they can send you in as a test, if things go south they could just storm the statue easily, but they wanna see how JC handles it
I could also add that it's not just JC Denton they're testing. They're developing nanotechnological augmentations which are supposed to replace the obsolete mechanical prosthetics. They want a real life test, but still in a controlled environment, that will decide the fate of the future of mankind. That's also why they only give you one weapon out of three. It bugged me why in later games the protagonist can't request all of the weapons offered.
This is also why JC can't just drop his gun and badge on his bosses desk and quit. He's a dog on a leash, and he will be put down if he acts the slightest out of line.
yeah, he's not just a rookie, he's more like robocop, except he's actually a higher-tech robocop replacing the older tech robocops. and there's also the message that he's treated as more of a product than an employee or person by the higher-ups. (and as well, what I've always loved about the game, and they captured it well in the newer ones, is the sense of family you get while working at the company, which contrasts nicely with the "treated as a product" vibe you get from the people pulling your strings.)
Then how the MJ12 base is right below UNATCO.
this is a contender for one of my favorite videos i've seen on youtube this year. fantastic work!
Lose some weight
It's awesome when 2 of my favorite RUclipsrs are actually fans of each other. Especially with this.... Never expected to see you here. Love your content.
This man watched a review of Deus Ex, here's what happened to his mind.
JC is a nanoaugmented agent for UNATCO.
☝️P r e s e n t i n g to the emergency room: with no legs.
@@mihaiburloiu367 A man overdose on Redpill, this is what happened to his body.
Part of the appeal of Deus Ex is the ability to break the systems. It's like Thief, System Shock, Bioshock etc. A genre PCGamer called "immersive sim" which is best described as "if you can put a box in front of an alarm to stop a guard from pressing it, it's an immersive sim. If the guard pressing that button causes a game over, it's not." So basically, games that let you play with their systems as part of the natural gameplay, although you can play through them normally.
Yes, Warren Spector himself has confirmed this being partially intentional.
By that logic, does that make Elder scrolls games immersive sims?
As time goes on this game gets more and more relevant. It's insane.
No
@@brandonthomas6602 Spotted the UNATCO plant.
@@yewtewbstew547 Joe Greene's account likely.
It's not insane. It's human nature. You just missed it by being socially engineered into ignorance
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"Talks about how you're more likely to die from lightning strikes that terror acts"
"Shows footage of JC getting electrocuted to death"
Oh, Ross, I love your sense of humor))
What the hell? This was released 3 years ago? This feels like it was made 3 months ago.
yes, ross video are mostly timeless!
The Old tricks are the best tricks. Politics 101
@@kirikei Gray death aka coronavirus
2020's gonna blow your mind
@@SeriffinThe DEMONITIZED
It's crazy how this game continues to get more and more relevant.
Well the box did say "Real conspiracies"
Epstine’s girlfriend was tried at the same time as the Johnny Depp Amber Herd trial. Now Epstine’s girlfriend is in a small prison and the list she gave has not been released and no arrests have been made.
@@TheInsomniaddict you wouldn't believe what the German box reads...
@@Relayzy1 i don't have it anymore, please tell (german guy here)
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"When I first played this game, I thought it was great!"
*footage of alarming amount of bodies neatly lined up*
Also in terms of the story of Deus Ex.
the U.S is actually in a state of post second American civil war,
the original NSF were actually the "Northwest Secessionist Forces" and while they were defeated by UNATCO and the U.S Army, many survived and went on to train the current generation of NSF guerrillas.
I didn't know that!
Technically the third. The American Loyalists were the ones fighting for their country in the first. While the Yankees had DECREED that they were a new nation, so did the Confederacy.
The fact that the patriotic team won the second time but not the first is probably why the first civil war isn't called one.
I actually went out and bought this game because of this review. Just got to UNATCO and heard a russian guy talk about how the vending machine didn't give him orange soda. I like this game.
Gunther is actually german ;)
that has become a meme amongst Deus Ex players :D "I wanted orange! It gave me lemon lime!"
HQDefault when you play deus ex 2 you find out that he was right and there actually was a conspiracy to stop him from getting orange
+slendy9600 The conspiracies are the deeper than I thought
@Convergence Vanna Fanta, don't ja vanna?
The thing about this that I find moderately chilling is how morpheus describes how data mining algorithms can serve the role of god.
Such algorithms have been in place for years, operating social media sites to determine what ends up in your feed, what adds you see, etc.
We live under a dozen Helioses, staffed by a handful of bob pages. Currently they don’t want to be god; they just want more money, regardless of the harm that can be done.
Yeah, the best life goal you can have is to be one of those Bob Pages.
@@glint55581 Whats so wrong with fantasizing about upwards mobility?
@@glint55581 I understand your sentiment, and I sympathize with it greatly. However, it is duly noted by Brandon and myself. Tell me, who wouldn’t shoot for a chance to be one of the most powerful and influential people in the world?
You mean The other AI
@Samar3n What can you do to stop it? The only people who have the power to change anything want things like climate change to happen. It’s a great opportunity for a power grab.
12:09 "we never actually SEE proof" the proof is literally hidden on top of the server rack to the right, right at this moment, just jump and right click on it lmao, you got the payements to manderley and others..
This is amazing. What timing if this was coincidence.
Plus, JC directly witnesses strong evidence of UNATCO's corruption at several points:
* If you talk to Paul on the docks after he gives you your marching orders, he mentions that he botched an assassination of a triad member. Paul says it in a kind of offhand way and JC doesn't give any indication that anything is amiss with such an order, but right off the bat, it's Paul telling JC that UNATCO is corrupt. Police shouldn't be assassinating anyone.
* JC was given an illegal order to murder Lebedev, who had surrendered and was not resisting arrest.
* Walton Simons has the run of the UNATCO HQ, even though, as far as anyone tells JC, Simons is just the director of FEMA. This is evidence that UNATCO has a secret chain of command, unaccountable to democratic checks and balances.
* Walton Simons has the same type of prototype nano-augmentations as JC. This is evidence that he is some sort of covert operative.
* Walton Simons walks into a UNATCO cell, conducts an interrogation, then straight-up murders an unarmed, non-resisting NSF soldier, and none of the UNATCO officers object or even seem surprised.
* Dialog from one random UNATCO agent indicates that every NSF soldier that was arrested was executed without having been given a trial. Illegal and fascist.
* There is a cure for the Gray Death that is being kept a secret from the public.
* UNATCO installs killswitches into its augmented agents, without their knowledge or consent.
* When Manderley tells JC about the killswitches, he seems outright terrified by the people he's working for.
It is utterly naive to think that JC could just resign from UNATCO, and what "other authorities" could JC contact? The conspirators obviously have their fingers in at least some American bureaucracies, given Simons' position. Even assuming the FBI or DOJ could do something, while those wheels are turning, Paul is dying. And who realistically believes that the kind of people who are responsible for the above are just going to let a multibillion dollar superweapon walk off and find a new career?
So JC really only had two options: become an assassin for corrupt, unknown and unaccountable powers or help his own brother. Under the circumstances, the latter is an eminently reasonable choice.
😮😮 Scott didn't see this comment
You're wrong. It's literally the document he's reading at that moment. I guess Ross either didn't think it was sufficient, or didn't realise "P" is Paul.
You're not going crazy, in the GOTY edition that datacube is on the server racks. But I think Ross is playing the older maps (which is arguably a good thing) where it's in the cabinet as seen in the video.
"The guy with the most money always wins the election."
R.I.P. Jeb!
Autistic turtles are the 9%
What a guac of shit...
...please clap...
Please clap.
Guac in Peace
watching this in 2022 feels more like a documentary than a game review
2023 reporting in
Exactly lol
People have been saying that basically every year since it was released.
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@@themousemage 2024...................
By explicitly attaching its themes to current events, you elevate this review of Deus Ex above the majority of others. Gaming's obsession with avoiding politics causes us to overlook or under-appreciate some of its finest works.
Yup. A game that is willing to actually own its message and go "This is why we think this makes sense, and let us show it to you" can be really really refreshing and change the way you look at the world.
After playing Spec Ops The Line for the first time, for example, it crushed my still naive belief that intentions matter. After seeing just how easy it is for good intentions to lead to horrifying outcomes, well, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that "Intentions mean jack shit. It's only your actions and the consequences of them that matter"
@@AegixDrakan Makes you wonder why it doesn't mention Kalergi Plan or the population replacement that is going on. What would the game really look like?
because conservatives love trying to censor video games
@@YourOwnDa *cough* California *cough* Sony
@@YourOwnDa you could say the same thing about liberals.
So, this keeps getting more and more relevant.
yeah. we thought it was prescient because there was the whole post-9/11 boom of terrorism, but now it's even more worrisome now that the finger's starting to be seriously pointed at _domestic_ terrorism. I fear a second Patriot Act, this time driven by the wheels of corporate leftism. And I say this as someone who identifies left-of-centre.
@@logarithmmm far-left fascism is an excistentional threat to us all
@@512TheWolf512 WTH is far-left fascism? Isn't that an oxymoron?
@@sigmanation6957 not even totalitarian activities just simple ideological diffrence boom slam your opponent with a fascist label
Right wing terrorists invaded the capitol and y’all are talking about “””far left fascism””” lmfaooo
That was a fantastic analysis, really glad I subscribed. The twin towers being missing in the game has always freaked me out, and the part where you mention the predictions made including the whole terrorism news coverage freaks me out even more. It is almost as if Deus Ex is a warning from a time traveller.
yes
That makes an uncomfortable amount of sense.
"I'M FROM THE FUTURE, TAKE THE TWIN TOWERS OUT"
"why?"
"...they are going to put it on....brazil (Saved it)"
"ooooook?"
You think this is what Point Defiance was trying to tell us about?
More like analyitcal thinkers who are interested in the future happen to guess right sometimes - if you're excited about this level, get into Philip K Dick. Though the WTC thing is "pure" coincidence - though I do sort of believe that events converge upon significance and sometimes apparent coincidence manifests similarities in that way, because in spite of our material-based perspective, events are primary and the material which expresses them is secondary, which seems backwards from our typical cause-effect understanding til you approach life resolutely from a place of "I think therefore I am." But yeah, that said, a meaningful coincidence is still a coincidence. We just tend to devalue the word coincidence as if it doesn't mean anything. Carl Jung famously disagreed.
But yeah, if you get into sci-fi in general, you will see a lot of oddly specific touches and traces of the future. "If you cut into the present, the future bleeds out." - William S. Burroughs
Something I never see brought up is how the huge terrorist compound is hidden under UNATCO headquarters, which is the place you go a few times in between missions. There is a doctor, a firearm guy, etc. that you slowly get to know. There is petty drama and hidden secrets just like a real office, and it seems like a safe place you can rest from the danger of your missions. When you break out of prison and find yourself needing to escape from this office, its really a fantastic narrative gaming moment.
Revisiting this due to Gray Death resurgence
Same
Think you're clever ?
Revisiting this due to Gray Death resurgence AND rioting in the streets AND the US government deploying a militaristic force within its own country
J.C., you of all people should understand that to the government, terrorism is all the same. At some point, context stops being significant once a problem is severe enough.
@J.C. Denton kinda crazy someone who has never played deus ex has a deus ex username and avatar lol
Damn, you're spot on with that Smuggler's Den - DLC rant. I never thought of it that way, but makes perfect sense. There's nothing worse than starting a Fallout 3 game and getting 17 DLC quest notifications thrown at your face out of nowhere because you have all the DLC's installed.
I also remember talking to NPC's about Solstheim in Morrowind and always thinking "oh, it's that part of the game I need to go to after I finish this part". It really is immersion breaking.
DLCs and microtransactions literally destroyed the games industry.
I like what you said about DLC because that's almost exactly what Square did with Mankind Divided.
Those elements mixed together is definitely like a sauce.
Square Enix have no buisness making games, they should just stick to movies... i mean final fantasy, yawn, sorry nodded off there, so boring.
If I recall theres a mod making fun of just that. Haven't searched for it though so I could be wrong
@@bottlecap7503I think it was called Deus Ex Unreal Revolution
@@IcarusPanopticon that was it. I just checked! Thanks!
and yet, it has working mirrors, unlike the latest deus ex entry
@boi oof But this old ass, decades old game can handle it. Sure.
@@Marcelelias11 old games could easily render mirrors because they don't take as much power, modern games have to render ssao, shaders, 4k textures etc, but now that rtx exists we can easily do it but the thing is that its wayyy to expensive rn
The facts that Ross unloads from 23:24 are very sobering. I hope Ross does a dedicated video on that topic similar to the one he did on robot jobs.
except the graphs are cherry picked. Tax chart starts in 1935 (great depression) and the income tax was ratified and went into effect in 1913 (corp tax started in 1909) so that's 20 years that were left out. Don't know what those numbers are. Also notice that in 1935 adding Individual and Corp tax only accounts for 30% of taxes. So the chart really makes no sense.
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But there is hard proof in the game that the UNATCO chief is corrupt. It’s in a data cube near the terminal used to contact the militias.
Regarding how you can beat the game without killing anyone, I remember when I first tried a method of sparing Anna Navarre at UNATCO that I had learned about on the TTLG forums. You can lure her into the prison cell area and barricade her in with a metal crate, then wound one of the guards near the front door so that he flees through it and unlocks it for you in the process. This is a game exploit, sure enough, but the thing is that Deus Ex _actually plans for this eventuality_. Later on when you're on your way to confront Gunther Hermann at the Templar Cathedral, his lines of dialogue are completely different, and he does not act as though you killed Agent Navarre.
Incidentally, you can spare his life too, if you can manage to wound him until he flees.
Nope, he's right. There are two infolinks from Gunther that change depending on the state of the AnnaNavarre_Dead flag. One is right after escaping UNATCO HQ (Won't play at all if AnnaNavarre_Dead = false) and the other is in the templar cathedral (Text is different depending on if AnnaNavarre_Dead is true or false). Other than those two changes the game behaves as if Anna Navarre is dead once you escape from UNATCO.
@Daniel von Strangle Manderley is assassinated by MJ12 if you leave him alive. They might've done the same to Anna.
You can also kill Navarre way before the UNATCO battle. Easy to do in the mission where you need to get to the plane and Manderley even makes a remark about her death after you finish that mission.
@@tofast4ya lol I've seen a speedrunner kill Navarra and Lucius at the same time with the rpg. It never even occurred to me to just kill em like that to save time.
Okay this is 3 years old I know... but hear me out... isn't there a console command to skip levels? Perhaps the devs planned for players to use that code, which might automatically leave Agent Navarra alive since the player didn't actively kill her, they just skipped the level.
I haven't tested this but I know there's a skip level command and I can easily see the devs planning for that outcome.
LOL they actually changed the desk position in revision to fit the original
The original ? What you mean a beta / alpha version of the game ?
@@Moonstalker He means the unmodded game, since Revision is a mod of Deus Ex.
@@Torvarr yeah but in the original the desk is facing you while in revision it's sideways.
@@Moonstalker Yeah, I know, but Revision's changed the desk to face you like in the original.
The GEP gun is the best way to make a silent takedown.
I have opened the Mayor, When the power drops, go in and go in and go in and go in like the U.S. Marshall and his 3 daughters and we lose the vaccine
that would require a very large prime number and we loose the vaccine
IM 100% BLACK
I am too
U- Unatco?
Why must we currently live in the Deus Ex timeline.
@J B and a pandemic with not enough vaccine to go around
@Genowave Tbf, that's literally happening in Deus Ex, so it's exactly as bad as reality.
Cause we suck at stopping shit in the modern world
@@dm121984 at least the plague isn't nanites, I think....
@@bluespiritrecords1709 an experimental vaccine based on crazy scientist technology pushed by a corporate police state
Oh my God! JC! A video!
A VIDEO?
It's remote controlled! Hold on, i'm gonna make a DMCA claim..
Get out of there!
Bush did 9/11!
Damnit! You used the "it's a bomb" reference before I could..... LOL
17:05 Your liver is augmented.
Plot crisis averted
His nano magicks probably flush that stuff out like a Witcher.
Heya Allycat!
Holy crap, Ross perfectly described our plutocracy as Stand-Alone complex. That's amazing.
I keep coming back and rewatching this video over the years
Same.
DEUS EX starts with a world devastated by a virus? This game just keeps checking off events in the future as if someone actually came from the future to make this game
Prophetic
Some sorts of epidemics happen every year, you just don't hear about them. And COVID-19 isn't particularly deadly.
@@PasserMontanus Jeeze man, the CCP virus is a world narrative changing pandemic on the lines of September 11. It cannot be compared to SARs, MERs or any of the recent diseases. The CCP virus isnt deadly, agreed. It is not lethal on the lines of the EBOLA virus but it is as infectious as the common cold and comparatively very deadly to the common cold. 100 million infections from the common cold leads to maybe 0 deaths but 100 million infections from CCP leads to 1 million deaths. Please the entire world some credit for their actions.
@@recca9800 I'll give them credit for completely destroying economies over a virus that has a 99% survival rate, if you're under the age of 60 and in relatively good health. Did you know that over 40% of all CCP virus deaths in the US came from nursing homes or other homes for the elderly? Did you also know that there are 4-5 states that are actively putting sick people in nursing homes? This virus has way more deaths than it should have and it's either due to incompetence or malice.
@@nonocon0618 The problem isn't the survival rate, the problem is infection rate and hospitals getting overloaded. Once the hospitals become understaffed people are going to die from things like having a major allergic reaction or getting into a car crash and not having access to emergency care, as well as the infection becoming more deadly because people can't get treatment.
I'm still with you on the incompetence or malice though.
Wooooooow, this is going to be a very controversial Game Dungeon; props to you for making it Ross. I agree with most everything you said here.
IRAMightyPirate Barney shut up I loved the minds
Huh- the moment I get so bored I resort to scrolling through the Sub box, Ross uploads a new Game Dungeon! Further proof Ross is actually emplanting spycams in all his subscribers' houses slowly
He really does. Same shit happened to me.
jesus fuck I just looked through my subscriptions box because I got tired after watching Gumball for 2 hours and literally just uploaded
Oh my gawd! Same shit! Ross definitely works for Majestic 12 I guess.
I'm waiting 15 minutes to leave to meet a mate and Ross uploads! god walks among us
Now there's a conspiracy theory for you
“Have you heard of the ambrosia vaccine”
Please mister ross! PLEASE made a video about "vampire the masquerade bloodlines" please!!! only you can do it justice!
Do not forget VtM: Redemption, it had stunning voice action.
holy shit thatd be the sickest shit since sliced bread
please do this
I concur! Do it Ross! (Please)
VtMB is such an understated gem for its time. Im just glad he at least made a shout out too it.
I hear that Paradox is interested in making a new one - I recently filled a survey about videogame rpgs, which included personal favorites of mine like VTM Bloodlines and Baldur's Gate 2.
2 things:
1: i absolutely love how devoted you are to soundtracks. I too share a deep appreciation for game soundtracks and fully acknowledge the importance of sound design and soundtracks in all forms of entertainment media. In fact game soundtrack scoring/composition is kind of my dream job.
2: i watched freeman's kind forever ago. I watched the video sterling recently linked to youre extremely well worded game industry critque. So i subbed and started watching this dungeon series thinking all the time, "jesus, why do i know this guys voice?" having never put those two things together. Back in the day, i was just searching for the series name. Lol i guess.
Anyway, excellent work.
This is the one game dungeon ep I consistently come back to
I rewatch this video from time to time, the original DX is my favorite game by far and no one has done a better job of encapsulating the meaningfulness of it.
Metal Gear kinda does like this game, only... It's not always accurate, and subtlety is thrown out the window.
The is *_NO_* denying how uncomfortable MGS2 is to witness nowadays, concerning the internet at least.
Yeah all those matrix-mania shit it MGS2 makes everybody uncomfortable, even the game's very own designers.
One thing that always fascinated me about all of Ross's dives into Deus Ex is how they demonstrate how completely differently two people can experience the exact same thing. Specifically here - the gameplay. I look at how Ross plays it, and his description of the gameplay and I'm just... wut? What game is even talking about? It never even occurred to me until literally seeing these videos that you could even get the idea that you should play this like an ordinary shooter. It's a stealth game for goodness sake! To me, absolutely everything seemed to cue me on to the fact that this was much closer to real life: For sure, I'm an awesome agent with awesome enhancements, but if I'm gonna take on dozens of armed opponents I gotta be ninja-batman. Sneaking, observing, planning, silent takedowns, move the apprehended suspects... that was and is the game for me, with all Deus Ex! I don't think I killed anyone until Majestic 12 came into the picture, and then I was so pissed off about Paul and it felt to me like everything shifted. I wasn't a police officer anymore, I was just a lone guy fighting a desperate fight against an actual global takeover conspiracy.
Anywho, loved to see someone actually diving into those deeper layers that really pulled me in too back in the day, and presented in such an awesome way! Though that gameplay side of it will never not be fascinating to me :p
The greatest game review I have ever seen on RUclips and a worthy contender for one of my favorite videos ever, on my favorite game. Thanks so much Ross
Guys, I've lived my life wrong until now. I *just* discovered this channel - I have no idea how I could've missed it. And it actually was RUclips's algorithm doing things right. Yeah, Accursed Farms was recommended by the site itself. I think it has something to do with me watching editorial style videos from MandaloreGaming, GManlives and Neverknowsbest. The last four days I've been binge watching the game dungeon playlist. I caught a glimpse of Deus Ex being wedged right in the middle of the timeline but I bid my time nonetheless, even though Deus Ex being one of my favourite games of all time. And Ross very eloquently reminded me tonight (1 a.m., Germany/GMT+1) why that is. *SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROSS!* I love this video. You just earned a like and a rare sub from me :)
I bet the two guys at the beginning were talking about maintaning thermostasis to a dinosaur.
I got that reference.
I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!
This video hits hard now that we’re seeing the plutocracy take hold now days.
that's terror
Wonder if people still call everything in it a "theory"
Plutocracy - government by the wealthy
World economic forum
LGB
This video has aged better than a fine wine in a temperature controlled enviroment.
Wow! Viewing this again in 2021 puts a whole new perspective on the pandemic. Thanks for you incredible insight, you called it man.
It's a minor point, but increasing gun skill improves both accuracy and damage, not just accuracy like you said.
Still makes sense though, a better marksman would logically be able to do more damage with individual shots by placing them well. Like say for example a poor shot could hit but only graze the target, or hit a non vital area
@Shallex very true, and in that case this would normally be represented in a miniscule crit chance, but I don't remember if Deus Ex had crits or not. I don't think it did.
Deus Ex is on sale right now for $1. Just started the 2nd mission, and I want to thank you for opening my eyes to this amazing game.
Yeah! Bought it for R$1 (~$0,2) and System Shock 2 for R$4 (~$0,8) on Steam
''In a former life I was a mule dragging a stone plow up[ a hill in Northern Thailand.''
Love the way he says it. :D
Damn, looking back at all the layers Deus Ex's story has, it's incredible how much Eidos Montreal dropped the ball with their prequels
28:09
*"It's been simplified or distorted to the point where it might as well be a kid's cartoon."*
For more information, play Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
What do you mean by that?
As in AI information control in the digital age, or are you calling mgs 2 a kid's cartoon?
Rose-shrouded Confessor Very true, but you need to realize that Kojima hit the nail on the head when he was talking about the flow of information in the internet age. The “Create Context” speech.
Kojima didn't write that shit. Tomokazu did.
@@SomeGuy_Somewhere Probably the former
"Deus Ex is not a game where you can go in guns blazing"
**grabs a GEP gun and fires it into a crowd of enemies**
A GEP gun is good for a silent takedown
*Bravery is not a function of firepower*
I'm replaying it right now and GEP gun is just an early game thing where it gets superseded by assault rifle 20 mm grenades. The plasma rifle even with the correct damage (GOTY version incorrectly uses multiplayer plasma damage in singleplayer) still pales in comparison to the beast of a flamethrower. Men in black are supposed to be flame retardant, but aren't. Walton "the dumbass" Simons doesn't know how to use his aggressive defense aug. MJ12 commandos are the only enemy flamethrower can't handle, that's where the 20 mm grenades come in. LAW is a single shot rocket launcher, but even with untrained heavy weapons it's the game's BFG, able to clear an entire room of mechs and the toughest troops.
@@lovecraftcat Yeah it's like UT's redeemer although this never made the game unsubtle for one bit
Though the gep is devastating with WP ammo while the main rockets are great against anything else
If I saw this before, I don't remember doing so. Why haven't I seen this before? Right off the bat I was laughing! Great job Ross... good review.
Me too, but this video made me try the game and... well, now we're both here :D hehe, love your work in this too, also :D
This is an old comment, but it's an honor, sir!
Good to see you here too
The Man himself... splendid.
Thank you for the music, sir.
Old, old, old reply but I still think the most aggressive DLC immersion destruction is in Dragon Age: Origins, where the very first time you go to camp, like an hour in, there's an NPC standing around yelling "GIMME YOUR CREDIT CARD FOR MORE CONTENT" and they're there for the rest of the game.
Clicked on a computer game retrospective, got one of the most poignant and accessible videos on plutocracy of all time. This one should go viral!
RUclips is owned by Google, which is owned by rich people. YT doesn’t want this to become viral.
@@badbeardbill9956 RUclips and Google are far, far too big to even notice this video. The corruption from the rich is a problem but, using an overarching problem to explain all things that could possibly be caused by it is lazy. Reminds me of how, even though I obviously believe climate change is happening, explaining every single severe weather event as "climate change" isn't really convincing. There's no way to establish much of a causal link so it just makes it sound like you're crazy. It's probably right but, it's a bad argument. In this case I just straight up don't think there's a link, and if anything is keeping Ross down, it's the fact that this isn't easily monetizable and the long-form videos aren't preferred by the algorithm.
@@YukonHexsun Yeah. They also have programs that can detect certain things within videos.
Consider why this isn't easily monetizable and why videos like this aren't preferred by the algorithm. The answer is that videos like this are exactly what the algorithm is designed to hurt. Of course others that aren't on the exact same topics are also hurt but... we know that YT manipulates the algorithm to be morel likely to show the things it wants you to see.
Noticing this specific video isn't necessary - constructing a system that specifically hurts this category of videos? Not so far fetched.
@@badbeardbill9956 You're being vague. What "Category" can this algorithm detect? You aren't talking about the presence of violent content or swearing, you're talking about political speech. You're talking about an algorithm that can successfully generate text for an algorithm to work with (check the auto-generated subtitles to see how well that works) and then to intelligently discern the INTENTION of those words and phrases.
I'm not some highly skilled programmer, I wouldn't be able to write these algorithms myself at my current level of knowledge. However, I know the current status of AI, how effective Google's algorithms are at successfully identifying things, and how good voice to speech is. Those are all lacking too much to make this idea feasible. So yes it's far fetched, maybe not for the reasons you think. My point is it's in the sea of content so a human would have to identify this kind of content and bury it for that reason.
@@YukonHexsun No. They don't have to care about intention at all - in fact it's obvious that the algorithm doesn't. It only needs to identify key words. This is already documented - videos get flagged very quickly in some cases. Indeed it's also possible that a "blacklist" of sorts exists.
I've looked into the state of programming, AI, speech to text, and so on is. It's a lot better than you'd think. And with the resources Google has, it really is not far fetched that an algorithm exists to purposefully parse content that Google doesn't want you to see - indeed we already know this algorithm exists, the question is what it's looking out for.
AMAZING review. Played it at my age of 20 when just was released, and the story still blows my mind. And to these days, still waiting for a game with a same complex, real and prophetic plot to come out.
I really liked(?) to think about 2 cyber-punk themed games in early 2000's, Deus Ex and Metal Gear Solid2, having the commentary on terrorism. They are both SF, inspired by spy movies and conspiracy theory, and they both warn the terrorism causing powerful top-down control before the war on terror begins(MGS2 was published after 911 but it was made during that incidence).
Congratulations, the first Game Dungeon to reach 1 million views! Hopefully one of many to come.
Meanwhile at Bethesda: "So what should the institute's reasoning be?" "Uhh I dunno, lets just use that 'its too complicated for you to understand' crap" "Phew, I thought we were gonna have to give motivations and goals to our characters and settings!" "Yeah! It's a good thing our job is reliant on a subjective medium and all the professional reviews will focus more on bugs than the fact we haven't written a decent story since morrowind!"
The Institution's motivation is pretty clear. They decided that every person on the surface is an unnecessary danger to themselves. But they don't think that they have the resources yet to wage a full scale war and wipe everyone out directly. So they want you to get a part that would let them increase output of their main reactor so that they can ramp up production of the gen 3s. With that they would have a stronger army and could shift from simply maintaining security through constant subversion and manipulation on the surface to more direct warfare. Once they control the surface they can directly harvest the resources above ground where there is still a lot of radiation which they would then bring underground to increase their living space and thus population where it is safe.
See the Institute members feel that they are superior to the common rabble on the surface and the only ones who should inherit the future. That also means they believe they shouldn't have to do the dirty manual labor jobs. So they put alot of effort into making organic robots to do the manual for them. Since the gen 3s are still robots and not people the Institute doesn't view them with the same disgust as the people in need of termination and removal as the people on the surface. The ones who are constantly attacking and assaulting, robbing and enslaving each other. They feel like the masters of their domain because they make and control robots that look and act just like people. And that is part of their problem. Because the gen 3s look like people there are some empathic members of the Institute who think that the gen 3s should be treated more like people while others view the gen 3s purely as robots. But regardless of where the Institute falls on the gen 3 issue they all agree that the rabble on the surface need to be purged. Hence why so many in the Institute have no issue with using the commoners as test subjects or kidnapping them and replacing them with gen 3 robot lookalikes.
Father probably isn't even your son. If you follow the story closely you find that the person who introduces himself as your son has actually been in control of the Institute for over 100 years. He was the same man who ordered the capture of your baby from the vault.
If you actually paid attention to the story instead of taking issue with it not being as constantly stupid as Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas you would have learned what the Institute's motivation was.
@@GeorgeMonet The Institute would be great if it wasn't for ethical issues. They have a big technological advantage over everyone else.
@@GeorgeMonet Great read! It gets me thinking about Vault City and wonder if Vault City in Fallout 2 had the same power as the institute and same resources and technology, if they would be even worse than the institute, or if we would see a more benevolent side of them.
Vault city’s president wanted to hear nothing short of not estimating the ghouls in Gecko, yet they still welcomed wastelanders around their city and even in with a day pass, although they made certain that none could become a citizen.
But back to what you mentioned about Father not being your son. I saw the Fallout timeline out of curiosity and I saw the time of the vault in fallout 4 being opened and “Shaun” being met didn’t really make sense, because “Shaun” seemed to be much older than he should given the time that passed.
@@GeorgeMonet Because one line where Kellogg refers to the "old man" in his memory of the vault kidnapping? Extremely thin. And if your theory is correct that just makes the story and character motivations far *less* coherent.
I agree that the Institute does seem fairly united in its disdain for surface dwellers, but it's not a very compelling motivation for anything that they do.
They pretty much seem to have everything they want, and it is hard to believe that the Institute really believes the surface constitutes an existential threat to them, and they also seem ambivalent about scav operations, treating them as unfortunate shortcuts rather than something they want to keep doing in the longer term.
Also, their main paramilitary division is called the Synth Retention Bureau. Conquest doesn't really seem to be in the Institute's culture.
They didn't even do morrowind correctly.They removed half of the game.They were supposed to be an entire different half of it where you could side with The sixth house and the tribe unmourned
I have never seen a game review morph into a documentary before... And I am glad it did! I also read between the lines in games, and that's probably why I don't find casual games much appealing. I always need something with narrative... I actually prefer a game with bad narrative than one without one at all! These reviews have always been great, but now they have been taken a step further. Their originality is consolidated, I just hope more people find about them.
I think that most games with a meaty narrative would probably be described as casual.
I am surprised why this video doesn't have more than a million views??? The entire world is now going Dues Ex
Well, its almost a million now. :)
@@neocodexx It is a million now
Go around in the comments and see how many covid deniers are there. People are afraid of the truth.
The end of this video also made me weep in just how powerless the individual has become even in a "free society," where even someone who wants to resist the system can be manipulated into helping to perpetuate it
And the saddest thing is, any attempt to escape this as a person, group or a country is sooner or later supressed.
@@yegorgribenuke6853 Born after there are no more oceans left to cross.
Born before starships.
Feels bad, man.
@@TaRAAASHBAGS Space won't be our salvation.
That's why you must exercise all the power you do have to get and stay as debt free as possible, so you can steer your life with as much freedom as possible
@@jghifiversveiws8729in some way it might be in that the colonization of space would bring a “joy” to humanity, with new places to explore and new places to settle. New challenges to overcome. But it also brings with it new opportunities for people to be exploited
I really like how you broke down the story layers, tied in the real-world elements, and also the epilogue footage was funny. What a great channel!
Ross, I would highly enjoy hearing your thoughts on Pathologic. The game is a true diamond in the rough that really deserves far more recognition than it gets.
Any Ice-Pick Lodge game really, they all would be perfect for a Game Dungeon. I'm sure he knows of them, there is no way he doesn't know them. I've found this in the forums:
“Are you planning on doing a Game Dungeon on Pathologic HD?”
Summary: Still needs to play it. Not fond of depressing games, unless it ‘goes somewhere’. Will give it a try.
I sent him 'The Void' a while ago when he asked for game recommendations. I really lost myself in it.
Might be worth looking up sexbad's video on it from ages ago.
yee
sexbad i was about to ask when you'd upload more videos but it seems that youtube's notifications/homepage is fucked again.
Finally a review that sees all the really great parts in this game.
This was the best episode of Game Dungeon by far. Loved the talk about modern times and conspiracies
This was brilliant man. Excellent discussion of my favourite game. The thoughts you expressed regarding consolidation and power moving away from the individual are true. I feel that youtube is at least some way for the average person to become self-employed in a manner speaking, although it is owned by a mega corporation. Cheers!
Nice thoughts but the truest part of your statement are the words "mega corporation" The problem is that nobody is taught the difference. RUclips isn't self-employment, it's a roll of the dice and they're loaded.
Well it was. Certainly not now, though.
Despite the efforts of Google fascists to throw a wrench in the gears, RUclips remains highly capitalist... for now.
Revision is shit. It changes levels around too much. Even to the point where sometimes when characters give you directions to places its incorrect because the revision team thought they knew better than ion storm.
What is revision?
@@bbuggediffy its a mod that updates a lot of stuff like graphics. I heard it even adds some bugs but fixes others
GMDX is the go to overhaul mod for immersive playthroughs for anyone wandering. Revision kinda sux
I only play Revision now. Fixes a lot of bugs and the new level design is much muuuchh better. Revision is better in every way honestly. It got an official release for a reason. GMDX is good too.
@@anthonycampbell97 well the reason was they paid for it. Glad you dig it, dude. Still sucks and breaks navigation, though.
Old ass corrections:
-You're thrown onto liberty to test just how OP nano augmentation as a concept is. Paul knows his shit and is a practiced hand, and he does awesome shit, but what if you just hurl a dude with an OP buff and 0 skills into pure hell? Can he still do it? The canonical answer is yes. God damn. Gunther and Anna have some quips about how jelly they are that nanoaugs are meta breaking as fuck.
-You can nonlethal takedowns MIB's. They have a text file talking about the agent P series, and how they detonate if their heart stops, to erase all evidence of them ever being there should they die and be prime for dissection. Hence, if knock them out their heart is still beating, they won't explode violently.
-Nonlethal is supposed to be hard. Your brother urges you to practice morality over efficiency, but you also meet coworkers who have a different philosophy. Taking the high ground is not easy, but you do get some pats on the back for it, and sometimes even a reward or two.
-Damage *is* handled by skills, but it's far less noticeable than the ability to hit things consistently.
To add to this comment, there's a data pad somewhere on Liberty Island (I think? I could be misremembering. It's been about a decade since I last played.) somewhere explaining how to more effectively utilize non lethal combat. You sneak up behind people and hit them in the base of the spine. For most NPCs, you can one shot them with the baton this way, but for MIBs or those mech cyborg guys you see later in the game it'll take a charge or 2 from the stun prod.
TLDR smack em on the bottom of the spine for non-lethal takedowns.
You really knocked this out of the park, Ross.
Great analysis of the story. Cheers man. At the end of the day, there are more of us than them. Don't give up hope.
Fun fact. The Swedish Air Force is scrapping all of their 97 JAS Gripen fighter planes (many of them are brand new) because there is a new, more modern jet avalible on the market.
How much did those 97 planes cost the swedish tax payers? Anywhere between 60 to 100 BILLION kronor. Or 7,18 to 11,97 billion dolars. Fuuuuck! So naturally we ask the question, which company produces these planes? SAAB, one of the biggest Swedish companies.
Now while you could argue the fact that the Air Force is important (which it is) it feels strange to me that while the Swedish Defence Force buys plane after plane many of the regular soldiers are unable to get all the gear they are supposed to have because "there is none avalible" because of funding problems.
Hmm... Add to this the fact that apparently many of our pilots are not getting enough air time to practice some very essential skills like attacking ground targets because of, what else?, funding problems.
But wait, that's not all!
To top it all off, and this is where I almost start to reach for my tinfoil hat, our last ÖB (that's Överbefälhavare or Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces) actually questioned why the Swedish Defence Force spent so much money on planes when we litterally had soldiers wandering around with holes in their boots or clothes of the wrong size and promised to fix te issiue. Fast forward six months and he suddenly retired with no real explanation without having fixed the problem.
Wow... Just plain wow... Granted it may be the influence from the review talking, but no matter how you look at it it's looking shifty as all hell.
Wow, I'm watching the whole series from the start here in 2021, this episode hit me like a freight train
2022: "Aw shit, here we go again!"
I watched these videos so many times and keep coming back for more. Thank you Ross your videos always Lift my spirits in hard times:)
You know the beauty of this game?
As popular as it was at the time, they never went with wild atmosphere designs for the future 2050's.
They kept it very tame which is actually realistic af!
Realistically, it won't be at least another 100 years before we see those flying cars and 200-story apartments drowned in the neon sea.
So I think 2050's will most likely look not much different than now, which makes Deus Ex terrifyingly more realistic.
YES!
I don't think we'll ever see flying cars, for a few reasons that almost never get touched upon:
- spending energy to fight gravity is very inefficient, when you can *not* do that by using roads instead.
- navigating in 3 dimensions is vastly more difficult than on roads, even assuming we'll be able to fully automate that - computers do fail, and a manual control will always be necessary in emergency situations. You don't want a bad capacitor to cost you your life, don't you? This would mean drivers would actually have to receive pilot training because they are now operating aerial vehicles, which among other things can be used to drop bombs or straight out be a bomb (9.11) so in case anyone goes mad or wants to kill people, that 's a great tool.
- flying under influence of alcohol, drugs or medicine is dangerous enough as it is - unless we can develop 100% self-driving flying vehicles that will never ever fail and cause death (Tesla)
- it would produce a lot of noise, making everyone require hearing protection to not go bonkers after a few weeks of living in a city
- it creates new possibilities of catastrophic failures without requiring user neglect or malice - right now if your engine breaks down you just need to push your car to the side and call assistance - with a flying vehicle you may crash and die with your entire family because of the same level failure - this would require much, much tighter production standards as well as much more frequent technical inspections which would both drive the cost through the roof (pun intended) and be annoying as heck. Imagine having to fly your car to a workshop every month instead of driving it there once a year. As such any self-identified technical issue would immediatelly ground your flying car to save the lives of yours and others in case that will cause the car to drop from the sky. So you'll need to haul your car to the workshop more than anything.
- right now we are heading towards an energy crysis, and flying cars would be extremely wasteful in terms of energy consumption, no matter what propulsion technology we can develop - you still need to counteract the gravity force, and there's no shortcuts there.
- Assuming we do survive the energy crysis and develop everlasting, practically unlimited sources of energy, that energy still needs to be trasmitted to charging stations etc.
- We'd need to develop entirely different battery technology if flying cars would be electric, or develop tiny portable nuclear reactors which I don't think we'll ever see due to how much pressure and heat is needed, not to mention having millions of nuclear reactors flying and crashing all over the place would be extra risky, unless somehow they can be made indestructible as well - I think we'd probably be still needing different kind of fuel, and not uranium rods to power our cars.
I think even if all the technical issues are ever resolved, it would still be incredibly wasteful so I think only a handful of billionairs would go for it, and they would still not us that as daily drivers, and at least one would die in a tragic incident.
Add any option of corporations cutting cost and ignoring technical issues (Takata airbags) costing people life-changing injury or death.
"Game: Deus Ex: Human Revolution"
You tried, RUclips.
Rewatching this in 2017 and all you said about the plutocracy hits home. Hard. DANG!
Midztoyz We are turning into shadowrun without the magic, and here comes a generation of failed seekers trying to fix the world but ruin it more. It is depressing really.
@@hellsing507 that's called Cyberpunk 2020.
It hits like a Tyson punch now, but by the time we get to the time of this game, it'll hit like a freight train. Assuming we aren't already KO'd by then.
This is singularly the greatest review of a game I've ever seen!
man. ross is a legend for me personally. his videos give me the peace of mind i seldom get from anywhere else. i rewatch everything 100 times
Oh hell yes this is what I've been waiting for
I just finished Deus Ex for the first time a few days ago. Some video games age poorly. Some games age pretty well. Deus Ex seems like it ages in reverse. Its story gave me chills.
The only other sci-fi setting I can think of being such a massive well of topics is Ghost in the Shell.
You got discussions on the ethics and consequences of cybernetic implants and hooking your brain up to the internet, what defines a human in a world where you can replace basically every part of your body with robot parts, AI gaining self-awareness, memes (not those memes, the other memes), refugees, politics, etc.
Oh mannn did this age well
Like a fine wine
Actually non-lethal takedowns do work on MIB enemies. They usually have great loot as a reward for how hard it is to successfully knock them out.
"it's not a secret order"
They meet every year
Bilderberg
tell us more.
@@TheJas20 The bilderburg group is a group[ of billionaires that meet yearly and discuss how they are going to take over the world
Most of them are from money so old the money has pictures of roman emperors on it
@Smattless holy fuck I'd like to read more on this, any articles or something?
@@Xfighter000 thank you, based man
@@reksie7816 No issue, Its a good and insightful read though extremely terrifying seeing how this corruption has been with our nation since the 1900's without change, most likely even longer.
This is one of those games that when I first played it, It stuck with me for a good reason because it has a compelling story and it has a soundtrack that is so memorable
21:57 "You're not meant to take this seriously."
Ah the innocent times of 2016