Tudor Black Bay GMT vs Grand Seiko Hi-Beat 36000 GMT SBGJ021 vs 79830RB

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

Комментарии • 127

  • @jbbrabant
    @jbbrabant 5 лет назад +7

    Stellar presentation, as usual. Thanks. I wear my Tudor Black Bay GMT Pepsi all the time. I also own the GS Spring Drive GMT and I’m in awe of its outstanding craftsmanship. It’s simply beautiful. There’s no comparison between the two but I love them both.

    • @otobotrecords
      @otobotrecords 5 лет назад +2

      I also own the GS Spring Drive GMT and had the option to get the BB GMT at list from two AD's, but opted for the GS for obvious reasons.

  • @stormrider01
    @stormrider01 3 года назад +4

    Since 2020 Tudor offers 5 years of guarantee!
    And my Tudor GMT runs 0s / week, which is incredible!

  • @talia3280
    @talia3280 5 лет назад +17

    I prefer the Tudor but ultimately, these watches have different audiences. The Tudor is a tool watch where the Grand Seiko is a dress watch. I wouldn't be afraid to wear the Tudor every day and get it a little banged up. I'd pamper the Grand Seiko.

    • @peterhendrix8347
      @peterhendrix8347 3 года назад

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    • @martinjackson558
      @martinjackson558 3 года назад

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  • @oes2546
    @oes2546 5 лет назад +15

    I’d take the GS in a heartbeat. Although I would prefer it had some lume dots, even if just a little bit.

  • @joseph_Stuart
    @joseph_Stuart 5 лет назад +12

    Great comparison! I love both of them - will hopefully be adding the BB GMT to my collection very soon, I just love that thing and can’t get it out of my head. Such a shame the GS doesn’t have lume - it Would be a killer!

    • @dpjyule
      @dpjyule 5 лет назад

      Joseph Stuart GS do a sports GMT with lume - I have the 44GS case and the sports GMT and both are great.
      BB GMT is an awesome watch though. On paper the GS is streets ahead, but the simplicity of the BB is it’s trump card. The clean simple look just really works.

  • @watchroll3310
    @watchroll3310 5 лет назад +8

    THANK YOU for showing the snobs GS goes beyond what they think. And even Rolex itself doesn't match up to GS accuracy, hand finishing, case dial and movement finishing (except clasps) rolex is still a more mass produced watch than Grand Seiko.

    • @sofrech1991
      @sofrech1991 5 лет назад +1

      Rolex does indeed match and beat GS at accuracy. This is one of GS's shortcomings - they need to step up their game and offer -2/+2 per day that Rolex guarantees.

    • @mtp1979
      @mtp1979 5 лет назад +1

      For those wanting accuracy (like I do) GS has something Rolex or Omega does not have : the Spring Drive is +/- 15 sec per month... (mine is +0.2 sec / day)

    • @watchroll3310
      @watchroll3310 5 лет назад +1

      @Mark Michael and there is Grand seikos more accurate than any rolex in existance also

  • @mrb317
    @mrb317 5 лет назад +7

    It's simple guys, pick the watch that speaks to you

  • @koolpep
    @koolpep 5 лет назад +4

    Nice comparison. I have 3 Tudors and 2 Grand Seikos. I find them to be very complementary. Tudor being a bit more brash and bullish while the GS is more elegant in many ways. These two compared are very different beasts. Love my Tudor Pepsi, love my Grand Seiko for very different reasons and occasions to wear.

  • @AbdulRWatches
    @AbdulRWatches 5 лет назад +4

    Awesome watches, I would only take the Tudor in this case, as I don't like the GS old signature of having Seiko on Top and GS on the bottom, but if the GS logo was there, it would have been my choice then :D

  • @dpjyule
    @dpjyule 5 лет назад +2

    Not sure who would say that Grand Seiko cannot be compared to Rolex as they sell watches in the same price range - Tudor do not sell watches anywhere near the GS price range. I like both Rolex and GS but if you put brand aside and just look at the form, function and finish of Rolex and GS, GS are a clear winner IMO.
    I also like Tudor though and have bought myself a couple. Whilst I love the Black Bay, it just doesn’t compare to the HiBeat GS with the 44GS case.

  • @tomgrimes8379
    @tomgrimes8379 4 года назад +2

    I'm bigoted: "Seiko" has always meant "downscale" to me. Clearly, the GS is not cheap. It's a luxury watch. But I'm old enough to remember when Seikos were mostly inexpensive quartz watches worn by my high school classmates. I own three Rolexes, all of which I acquired new from a Rolex AD beginning in 2015. The Tudor GMT is my first Tudor. I was looking to buy the Rolex white gold, Pepsi bezel, blue dial GMT-MASTER II because it's as close to the 1960s Pepsis I remember as a child. However, I was passed over by my AD twice in favor of higher dollar customers (like I was passed over by Harvard when I applied; same feeling). As for the Tudor, I love that vintage Pepsi dial, Oyster bracelet, Rolex GMT-MASTER look. Given that I'll likely never be offered the white gold Rolex by my AD, the Tudor GMT is the next best thing. I especially like the industrial looking aluminium anodized bezel. I find the wet looking Rolex ceramic bezels with the stylized font (rather than the more traditional, conservative bezel font on the Tudor) a bit on the tacky side. I'm getting + .5/-.5 seconds per day on the Tudor by using positional error overnight. That's better than the +2/-2 I get with my three Rolexes. I admit it: I would take the Rolex GMT-MASTER II white gold, Pepsi if an AD would deign to sell me one. But the Tudor is a no-regrets watch.

  • @jonnieinbangkok
    @jonnieinbangkok 5 лет назад +7

    Grand Seikos are beautiful watches, no doubt about it. I just auditioned my first one at a dealer recently and under lights, the hands and faceted indexes sparkle like diamonds. And that's the problem...they are very dressy. For me, the toolish quality of the simpler Tudor Black Bay suits me better.

    • @trevbarlow9719
      @trevbarlow9719 5 лет назад +2

      They are much in the same category as Datejusts, imo. They are more dressy than tooly, but they can be sporty if need be.

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад +1

      Nice balanced comment

  • @abdul773
    @abdul773 5 лет назад +5

    I think it's downright disrespectful to compare Tudor to Grand Seiko. GS realized its value in 2019 and immediately increased their prices to show that they know they've underpriced the market in the past for what they were offering. I hope they continue to keep the prices reasonably low because I certainly plan to add another one to the collection. Really looking forward to the new releases for 2020.

  • @spode747
    @spode747 5 лет назад +5

    How about a comparison between the Black Bay GMT and the new Seiko Prospex GMT SNR033? That would be an interesting shoot out!

  • @vukotabrajovic5988
    @vukotabrajovic5988 5 лет назад +5

    These watches are simply incomparable. GS is way better executed than any Rolex (except maybe for the bracelet that feels good, but not substantial enough), let alone Tudor. Black Bay GMT is very good, handsome and solid watch, but its finish is rather pedestrian and it is unfair to compare it with this high-end Japanese masterpiece. Great review, though, as always! 👍👍

  • @TopSecretVid
    @TopSecretVid 5 лет назад +1

    I think would would get more everyday use out of the Tudor vs the GS.. Just my opinion though. Great comparison review!!

  • @mrpleasent6038
    @mrpleasent6038 5 лет назад +6

    FYI - The seiko boutiques in Australia offer 5 year warranties.

  • @DanboShaw
    @DanboShaw 5 лет назад +2

    Lots of great information in this video, but the lighting conditions and photography wash out all the fine details of these watches and really hurt the GS in this comparison. For example, you can't see the texture of the GS's dial, one of its best features.

  • @Ryan-jr2cv
    @Ryan-jr2cv 5 лет назад +17

    Grand Seiko is better than Rolex and Tudor.

  • @dis6900
    @dis6900 2 года назад

    Owning a Tudor and GS, there's really no comparison between the two brands. I have a BB58 Blue and GS SBGJ203 and the GS kills the Tudor in finishing/handmade feel. I love the BB58 and will never sell it but comparing a GS to Tudor is kind of unfair as they're on different playing fields. The HI BEAT movement in the GS is more accurate and that sweep is noticeably smoother too. Love both watches and brands though!

  • @smashbuns
    @smashbuns 5 лет назад +3

    The GS competes in a different class (somewhere around Rolex and JLC), but for my money I would (and did) spend half the amount on a tool-ish interpretation of the classic GMT (Tudor). The GS ends up being a bit dressier (fine if you like that), and could probably do with some movement updates (55 hours and -3/+5 is not competing with Rolex and Omega these days).

    • @TheDerisavi
      @TheDerisavi 5 лет назад +1

      It's a hibeat 36000 movement, other automatic GSs, normally have 70h of power reserve.

    • @mtp1979
      @mtp1979 5 лет назад +1

      Well if we want some competition then we can give a try at the spring drive with 72h power reserve and +/- 15 sec a month... and the hand finishing of GS for case, dial, hands,... is anyway above whatever the movement inside

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад

      Yes, I think GS could easily regulate that movement to be even more accurate but they seem so conservative with their accuracy parameters.

  • @nachovalenti
    @nachovalenti 3 года назад +1

    Tudor BB GMT for me. Anyway GS is an amazing watch.

  • @gpearce11
    @gpearce11 5 лет назад +3

    I’d personally take the Tudor in this case, but anyone who thinks it, or any Tudor, holds a candle to Grand Seiko needs their eyes checked.
    GS absolutely has what it takes to compete with Rolex. The only things they don’t have agains Rolex is the same thickness problem that plagues Omega.

  • @JoshualKLai
    @JoshualKLai 5 лет назад +1

    Finishing is definitely a step up on the GS. Would like to know more about the GS movement though. Does it have quick hour adjustment like the BB GMT? Is there a way to rotate that inner 24 hour indicator?

  • @swabby429
    @swabby429 5 лет назад

    I might have a bit of buyer's remorse with the Tudor even though it is a brilliant piece. The GS is worth the extra time I'd need to save up for its purchase. I'm certain I'd be entirely pleased with the Grand Seiko. I'm a stickler for detail and perfection.

  • @TheDerisavi
    @TheDerisavi 5 лет назад +1

    Tim, my dear, I have the SBGJ201 and its a head and a shoulder above any watch in my collection which contains too many good watches, it is not accurate as a SD or a new Rolex, BUT this watch is damn Beautiful!

  • @armandomonreal7460
    @armandomonreal7460 5 лет назад +2

    Re-upload? I could have sworn I'd seen this one. It was actually one of the reasons I got a GS instead of waiting for the BB gmt because this video.

    • @davec3651
      @davec3651 5 лет назад

      He indeed did this comparison in two totally different videos :)
      ruclips.net/video/V3f7xx-4VlE/видео.html

  • @rodsalvador3608
    @rodsalvador3608 2 года назад

    3 years on, the Tudor is more or less holding its value. GS still depreciates, which is a shame. I love the SBGJ series, though, and I'm glad the market allows regular people to enjoy such beautiful workmanship with no wait lists!

  • @Romanellochw
    @Romanellochw 3 года назад +1

    This is one hell of a review.

  • @Ninja_S1000RR-R
    @Ninja_S1000RR-R 5 лет назад +4

    More vids like this, please.

  • @nachovalenti
    @nachovalenti 3 года назад +1

    I totally agree.

  • @speedzero7478
    @speedzero7478 4 года назад +1

    I hate how Grand Seiko has all these limited editions and such. I like how Tudor structures their lineup, easy to understand. Grand Seiko, excellent engineering however they need to work on their marketing.

  • @firstname_rene
    @firstname_rene 5 лет назад +1

    really don’t get these apples vs oranges comparisons... it’s interesting to get a sense of the watches but beyond very different on multiple points

  • @jacc88888
    @jacc88888 5 лет назад +5

    Yes, the Tudor is a very nicely built watch but it’s an insult to GS to compare them. I’m getting a little weary of people on forums comparing GS to a Tudor level of quality just because the GS has Seiko written across it and is Japanese and not Swiss. Just goes to show the amazing brainwashing power of branding (even if you’re an enthusiast who knows a bit about watches).

    • @MrCliteatswood
      @MrCliteatswood 5 лет назад +2

      Cheers Adrian! Fancy making some actual arguments? Design, heritage and usability (lume for starters), toughness all go to the Tudor. Polishing goes to the Seiko? I guess?

    • @tlufo
      @tlufo 5 лет назад

      I'll go for a GS any time, tho what is extraneous to me is why compare a GS without the lume? like the SBGN001

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад

      Chris P. Bacon Who’s Adrian? 🤔

  • @patrickdehaan3670
    @patrickdehaan3670 5 лет назад +10

    Tudor and Grand Seiko are not in the same league. Grand Seiko is at the level of VC, PP and AP but for price, a step or two up from Rolex, Zenith and Omega, where Tudor is a notch or two below the last three mentioned before Tudor.

  • @MrRoyck10
    @MrRoyck10 5 лет назад +8

    I love the Tudor but the damn thing is built like a brick so my only option is the BB 58, it looks far better than the Seiko in my own eyes.

  • @malikknows3510
    @malikknows3510 5 лет назад +2

    Perhaps a better comparison would be the Tudor GMT vs a Grand Seiko GMT non-high beat with an ivory dial (SBGM 021). This watch is actually cheaper than the Tudor but close in comparison, with many of the great Grand Seiko advantages. I considered these two watches myself and chose the GS. I wanted a more dressy watch as I've already got several sports watches, but it would be great to hear Tim's opinion. Great video!

  • @DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw
    @DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw 5 лет назад +6

    I'm sure the GS won't have the date issue that the Tudor GMT has.

  • @alanking5001
    @alanking5001 3 года назад +1

    Unfortunately the GS will always suffer from having Sieko on the dial with a cursory glance it just looks like a cheap Sieko 5 . I appreciate the workmanship is incredible but !!!

  • @craig2100
    @craig2100 5 лет назад +2

    Great job Tim, and right you are!

  • @davec3651
    @davec3651 5 лет назад +5

    It's an outright insult to compare Grand Seiko to Tudor. GS is clearly on a higher tier more appropriately comparable to Rolex.

  • @light1531
    @light1531 5 лет назад +4

    Of course, Grand Seiko is a better watch that a Rolex, but it NOT a better brand, which a completely different thing. Lexus is probably better than the German Trio, but it is a worse brand. GRAND Seiko must get their name out there on golf events, tennis events, polo events, power boat events and so on, but that all takes time.

  • @marceauratard6869
    @marceauratard6869 5 лет назад +5

    GS rivals Rolex all day long. I have a Rolex, Tudor, and Grand Seiko and I love them all

  • @wijayaj001
    @wijayaj001 5 лет назад

    Wait, I think I miss the part of the stainless steel material of the GS, any 9 grade type like the ones the newer Rolex uses?

  • @hansanders323
    @hansanders323 5 лет назад +10

    Grand Seiko's level of finish and quality should be compared to Jaeger LeCoultre

  • @trevbarlow9719
    @trevbarlow9719 5 лет назад +8

    GS vs Tudor?! No contest. GS is Rolex level at least. Appropriate conclusion reached.

  • @HazukiKyouko
    @HazukiKyouko Год назад

    For me I'd pick the Tudor the gs looks too flashy.

  • @tuhkathri9126
    @tuhkathri9126 5 лет назад +8

    I’ll save the viewer time. Skip to 6:10 for the obvious winner. 😁

  • @onlyricko
    @onlyricko 5 лет назад

    Hi Tim. I requested a trade one of your watches through your website couple days ago, but i haven’t received any reply yet.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  5 лет назад +1

      Hey Richard, please share your email with us and we will be sure to bring it to our traders attention. What watches were you looking to do a trade around?
      - Team WatchBox

    • @onlyricko
      @onlyricko 5 лет назад

      WatchBox Reviews thanks for your reply, Alex reached to me yesterday. I’m interesting your Omega Speedmaster

  • @shipmate3577
    @shipmate3577 5 лет назад +1

    I like the Grand Seiko, but only because it's a high-beat mechanical and not a fancy quartz spring drive movement. I would like the Tudor GMT if it had a ceramic bezel; once you go ceramic you never want aluminum again.

    • @nachovalenti
      @nachovalenti 3 года назад +1

      I prefer aluminium.

    • @StevenHoang0312
      @StevenHoang0312 3 года назад

      @@nachovalenti yeah me too,cause aluminum is always look vintage✌🏻

  • @jasoncousins8689
    @jasoncousins8689 5 лет назад

    Is that an acid scar on his hand? Was Tim in fight club?🤔🤐

  • @justmitko6679
    @justmitko6679 Год назад

    Tudor ❤

  • @ultraman1red
    @ultraman1red 5 лет назад +1

    Great review. Agreed.

  • @yuditrapangau2858
    @yuditrapangau2858 5 лет назад

    Well for 500 piece, not even Rolex can rivals that

  • @PINKFL0YD-s2h
    @PINKFL0YD-s2h Год назад

    The GS is better than the Rolex I'm My opinion..

  • @tomkhong9828
    @tomkhong9828 5 лет назад +1

    The Tudor or Rolex Pepsi looks more like a cowboy on a horseback, when the GS hi beat is a city hipster on his racing Honda NSX. That’s how I feel

  • @defenstrator4660
    @defenstrator4660 5 лет назад +2

    The on,y Tudor I like these days is the 58. The rest are too slab sided for me.

  • @ncprime9447
    @ncprime9447 5 лет назад

    Knocking the Tudor as a Dive watch with a pilots complication is a bit silly given that the Rolex GMT has always been a Submariner Date with an added complication.

    • @gpearce11
      @gpearce11 5 лет назад

      NC Prime The GMT Master was never a Submariner GMT. It has a 24 click bi-directional bezel, and has only 100m WR compared to 300m on the Sub, which is important because it makes the GMT between 0.5-1.5mm thinner than the Sub (depending on model).
      If Tudor had done the same, rather than keeping 200m WR, it might not have been as thick as the standard Black Bay.
      We see the same problem with Omega’s PO 600m GMT. The standard model is an already too thick 16.5mm, but adding the GMT hand pushes it over 17mm.

  • @serhanaytan8329
    @serhanaytan8329 2 года назад

    Sorry but you compare Ferrari and Wolksvagen as brand… and yatcht and car…. As function… as caliber GS far away than even Rolex…

  • @kennethersgard8950
    @kennethersgard8950 3 года назад +1

    The Tudor is so out of its league here...

  • @TZOID08
    @TZOID08 4 года назад

    My Tudor GMT sitting at my Authorized Dealer because I had the date jump two days at a time for 3 days straight. I brought it in on March 12th and days later the Covid-19 essential business policies were implemented and watch businesses closed. I'm done with Tudor as a brand because they have known since 2018 when this watch launched that they have a problem with the movement. There should be a class action lawsuit for damages to the buyers of this watch. The potential value is damaged not to mention the loss having to send it in for service. There are many that have had the problem repeat multiple times. Rolex - Tudor must be so arrogant they could care less about customers.

  • @annechow4407
    @annechow4407 5 лет назад +2

    Breathing heavily

  • @FirestormAA
    @FirestormAA 5 лет назад +1

    This.... gonna be Tudor pepsi GMT for the win.

    • @otobotrecords
      @otobotrecords 5 лет назад +2

      Hope you don't bet often and have a family to feed.

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад

      “Should have gone to specsavers”!

    • @FirestormAA
      @FirestormAA 5 лет назад

      @@otobotrecords to each of it own.... there is no right or wrong, is purely based on personal preference.

  • @ihopetowin
    @ihopetowin 5 лет назад +2

    Seiko a GMT without luminescence? The seiko is so prim and over stylised; the rotor is grotesque. No apologies, no thanks. I like the Tudor's industrial honesty of design and robustness.

  • @SKYBJERN
    @SKYBJERN 5 лет назад +4

    GS craps on tudor in every aspect

  • @1000lightyrs
    @1000lightyrs 5 лет назад +2

    That Tudor looks like a $300 Seiko compared to that GS!

  • @andrei2023
    @andrei2023 5 лет назад +1

    I love Tudor GMT, but here the winner is clear Seiko GS🏆🥇🔥

  • @sonamor1
    @sonamor1 5 лет назад +1

    Your videos offer the best technical summaries of any available on the internet. However, the artistic endeavour exhibited by the Grand Seiko, does not under real-world conditions make it a better GMT offering than the Tudor. Far from it. As a long-haul traveller, the Tudor offers more practicality in respect of its most important function...that of telling the time, in different ways, with greater visibility, under a variety of lighting circumstances. Long haul travellers used to darkened airline cabins and streets will be better served by the Tudor, which has enough sufficient technical merit, and combines it perfectly with what a traveller really needs....visibility and versatility. Seiko have made a high-art timepiece, with GMT functionality...Tudor, have made a GMT watch with high-end specification. Advantage Tudor.

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад

      Well, according to your criteria my G shock square multiband 6 trumps both the Tudor and GS. Yes, a disadvantage for the GS not having lume but I’d choose it every time over the Tudor due to it’s superior accuracy, finishing and on-wrist presence.

  • @wilsonhaddad693
    @wilsonhaddad693 5 лет назад

    I do not think they have comparison. Tudor is a Swiss brand and seiko a Japanese brand tudor watches are watches of a first quality and seiko watches are mass produced although seiko watches one of the best Japanese brands I would say that the difference is in price and value .. .

    • @thomasedwa
      @thomasedwa 5 лет назад +2

      wilson haddad I think you are confusing Grand Seiko with Seiko. Grand Seiko trumps Tudor in build quality.

    • @otobotrecords
      @otobotrecords 5 лет назад +3

      Morgan Freeman voice from the off: "He had no clue....... yet... But he would soon learn that everything he knew would be turned upside down, but not before his world view had collapsed."

    • @mtp1979
      @mtp1979 5 лет назад +1

      First I was like 😲 but finally I went for 😂

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад +1

      ?? What exactly are you talking about? Presume you’re joking on this one.

  • @boerashid
    @boerashid 4 года назад +1

    The Tudor is the poor mans Rolex. The Grand Seiko is an alternative to a Rolex.

  • @citizenpmd565
    @citizenpmd565 5 лет назад

    You cant even begin to compare these two, it's like a top of the range Lexus against a Volkswagen golf

    • @nachovalenti
      @nachovalenti 3 года назад

      And the winner is the Volkswagen of course.

  • @evh4611
    @evh4611 5 лет назад

    The Tudor BB wears like a hockey puck on the wrist

  • @flectz
    @flectz 5 лет назад +1

    tudors are shitters, GS is way out of its league

  • @sbsb4995
    @sbsb4995 5 лет назад +2

    Tudor and grand Seiko are over hyped and over priced.

    • @jacc88888
      @jacc88888 5 лет назад +1

      Sb Sb Unlike Rolex?

    • @mrb317
      @mrb317 5 лет назад

      Tudor over priced .. 😂😂

  • @derekshearer9049
    @derekshearer9049 5 лет назад +2

    Tudor kicks grand seiko's but as well. Cheers

    • @otobotrecords
      @otobotrecords 5 лет назад +3

      What does that even mean, lol?

    • @derekshearer9049
      @derekshearer9049 5 лет назад +1

      @@otobotrecords. Tudor and Rolex are better than grand seiko.You should know this by now. I prefer European products over Japanese products except for cars. Cheers

    • @otobotrecords
      @otobotrecords 5 лет назад +3

      @@derekshearer9049 Now you're talking English, but it still doesn't make sense :P Cheers

    • @mtp1979
      @mtp1979 5 лет назад +1

      😂😂😂

    • @derekshearer9049
      @derekshearer9049 5 лет назад

      @@mtp1979. Lol

  • @Mrmrnobodymr
    @Mrmrnobodymr 5 лет назад

    🐀🐀