I'm glad they changed Junpei's dialogue. ??? not only assumed the form of his best friend, it also made a mockery of Trismegistus, which is essentially Chidori's persona as much as it is his. It's not a joking matter and Junpei's new reaction emphasized his maturity and the severity of the situation.
@@Kalakauai123 even if it is a connection, that's a shadow so they can do whatever they want with the personas they want, so jumpei can do what he wants to that copy
I mean if a creature took the form of my dead best friend *AND* mocked my persona which is the fusion of my dead girlfriend and myself, I’d be just as mad as Junpei is here.
@@javierf6162 If you don’t help Junpei in getting flowers then Chidori actually dies. If you do, she wakes up yes; but she loses her memories including the ones with Junpei so the old Chidori technically dies in this case.
But it's implied that she remembers a part of him due her appearing in her dreams slightly, and she said she's "going to search for the man in her dreams" so there's a possibility that she'll remember junpei ( or she'll just fall in love with him again )@@leohernandez8751
i love how everyone is either mad, concerned or just questioning everything, and then theres mitsuru and akihiko who just go "well i dont know the rules of this thing but surely MY persona cant be copied"
The red effects of enemy Persona users has been a thing but the fact it’s black is so cool, especially with the water aesthetic they got going on a sort of rebirth/Baptism vibe the with Strega it makes it look like blood because their Personas are actively harmful to use and ???’s is blackened old blood because it’s a facsimile of a dead man, or maybe I’m looking to much into it and they just wanted it to be edgier than normal.
Rise: Was that your Persona just now?! Senpai, be careful! Adachi: Magatsu-Izanagi? Well aren't you a cheeky little shit! Marie: Kaguya?! Ugh, can this thing get even more irritating?! Futaba: That was one of Joker's Personas! This thing's playing with cheat codes! Morgana: Mercurius?! Hey, we're the Phantom Thieves here! Ryuji: Seiten Taisei?! For real?! Ann: Did he just summon Hecate? Yusuke: An intricate forgery, but that's all it is... Queen: He's copying Anat now. Haru: Astarte... Akechi: Loki? Are you trying to piss me off?! Violet: Why are you using Vanadis?!
I never thought about this until now but, what if in the OG FES & this DLC, what if he used Caster (Castor?) at one point? Shinjiro’s persona. I’d love to see how the cast (especially Akihiko) would react to seeing ??? using Shinjiro’s persona during this fight
@@Skyler-f7mspecifically this shade is a construction of the living sees members inner desires to see Him again. In a way, this is a battle against themselves. Similarly to how Metis exists, you could say.
It's poetic really. A monster of their creation using the same abilities as their leader which in turn coped their own powers. This is some next level masochism.
@@Anonymous529 speaking of, I think the armbands now carry into the story of P4 Arena and P4 Arena Ultimax Mitsuru: 0 Akihiko: 1 Shinjiro (+): 2 Door-Kun (+): 3 Yukari: 4 Junpei: 5 Fuuka: 6 Aigis: 7 Koromaru: 8 Ken: 9 Metis woulda been 10 if she stuck around. Maybe that's occupied by Labrys now after P4AU.
@@azurerider812 I dunno, after P3R they mostly (Except Mitsury, Akihiko and Aigis) left SEES and went on to just live their normal lives; they only come back because Mitsuru tells them it’s an emergency
@@Anonymous529 they'll reconvene into the Shadow Operatives. In Ultimax, there was talk about Agents 4, 5, 8 and 9 which are Yukari, Junpei, Koro and Ken respectively. Mitsuru also mentions 6 which is Fuuka.
I've said this in the commets section of a video from the OG version, but it's still satisfying hearing characters say the names of their Personas outside of summoning.
Junpei felt legitimately insulted, and I'm glad he did after the hell he went through, his anger is completely justified And also hearing how pissed off Koromaru is was actually unsettling
I feel like it’s a huge missed opportunity that Shadow Makoto never brought out Castor, maybe he could’ve used him if you brought Mitsuru, Akihiko and Ken in the team, since they’re the 3 with the most relationship to Shinjiro
Reverse Castor did not even appear in P3 The Answer since Shadow Makoto was made from everyones grief who was still alive. Thats why it can use the teams Persona, but not those who were not involved in his creation, like Shinjiro, Metis or Makoto (with Orpheus)
Like in the original, it doesn’t have Metis’s persona, so if you have Metis in your fighting team, after it uses your other teammates’ personas, the next switch is back to Athena.
Whats funny is that Atlus released a Persona game for mobile (i think) called Persona 3 M which had Sees fighting against shadows of themselves who had the same Persona's but were negative
Okay I'm shamelessly ripping off a joke I saw on a complilation of the og ??? Fight but. When I'm at a restaurant and the salad list is a little too long 1:01
A question: Are Metis & Psyche not affected? I've seen the original but never thought about it. I assume the battle isn't coded for them. TY for reading! 🔅
@@infinitypercival5958 Spoiler. I think the reason why ??? never copies Psyche is because Metis didn't create it. Yes, she's a facet of Aegis but it's the latter who contributed to ???'s existence.
A bit of spoilers, but ??? Is basically a shadow of grief created by the living members of SEES wanting to see him again. Since Métis never knew him, Psyche never gets copied.
Could this the in universe origin of the picaro personas? tho this is the subconscious so this ain’t exactly literal but association with words do like ancient gteek butterfly/soul/wind. Picaro means rouge or bohemian, pretty much artistic deviant. ??? Is a manifestation of guilt, just like how one express emotions through art. They are our team’s personal personas that follow the command of another, like a rouge subordinate. Even more they are black, silver and red versions that are more powerful then the original, just need some gold and more edgy clothing and it’s practically picaro.
Mmm, although the picaro personas don't have a canon background, that's an interesting interpretation of them. IMO, Atlus just decided that it'd be cool that DLC personas followed the P5 trend (since they're guests) and came up with their picaro versions.
@@GabyEzePereirathe idea behind the picaro personas is basically ‘if joker had this persona instead of arsene/satanael.’ Not… really that much deeper than that, but it’s still an interesting idea.
Yeah I think the devs missed out with this one, as they could've used her as a persona that was just there for buffs or, even better, had her appear as his Theurgy Skill for when he reached half or critical health. The latter would be both scary and awesome at the same time.
0:46 Interestingly in the Japanese version of Reload, Junpei's line is the same old "you copycat!" (パクリかよ！) So this emotional upgrade for Junpei only occurs in the English localization.
Would've been really nice if he copied Juno for a Pinch Healing/Buffing move or used Shock Noise Maybe Fuuka: What!? Juno!? I- uh...be careful everyone!
I get that he was important to everyone but doesn't it feel like they're just sliding Shinji under the rug? Imagine if along with everyone's persona he also summoned Castor and everyone in the party would react
I'm glad they changed Junpei's dialogue.
??? not only assumed the form of his best friend, it also made a mockery of Trismegistus, which is essentially Chidori's persona as much as it is his. It's not a joking matter and Junpei's new reaction emphasized his maturity and the severity of the situation.
Fr
"it's our persona too"
With his connection with Chidori, it's personal to him.
@@Kalakauai123 even if it is a connection, that's a shadow so they can do whatever they want with the personas they want, so jumpei can do what he wants to that copy
Rather he called ??? a copycat
Koromaru: 'Mad? No Fuuka, I'm not mad... I'm furious!'
Furryious
'He has NO right summoning Cerberus like that!'
Must’ve been a “ruff” time
It's almost like ??? did that on pawwpose
KOROMARU can no longer be SAD or HAPPY.
Jesus, Junpei ain't letting that slide and understandably so.
I mean if a creature took the form of my dead best friend *AND* mocked my persona which is the fusion of my dead girlfriend and myself, I’d be just as mad as Junpei is here.
@@leohernandez8751well chidori is alive tho
@@javierf6162 If you don’t help Junpei in getting flowers then Chidori actually dies. If you do, she wakes up yes; but she loses her memories including the ones with Junpei so the old Chidori technically dies in this case.
But it's implied that she remembers a part of him due her appearing in her dreams slightly, and she said she's "going to search for the man in her dreams" so there's a possibility that she'll remember junpei ( or she'll just fall in love with him again )@@leohernandez8751
@@leohernandez8751chidoris alive in arena ultimax though.
Love how angry Junpei is
Can’t really blame him. I’d be pissed of if that happened to me. Specially considering what hapened to Chidori
His persona is literally of a fusion of him and his dead lovers soul of course he’s gonna be pissed
I allways wondered is chidori alive during the answer even tho u can get her alive in the main story (spoilers)
@@starfire6789Most likely they gave her an ambiguous ending like akechi and then, only mentioned here and there but no appearance whatsoever.
@@starfire6789she's alive, during the ultimax games he has a necklace she gave him
i love how everyone is either mad, concerned or just questioning everything, and then theres mitsuru and akihiko who just go "well i dont know the rules of this thing but surely MY persona cant be copied"
Ken's expecting it.. "there's Kala-Nemi
"Ain't no way"
-Them, probably.
Meanwhile Junpei and Koromaru are ready to throw hands to a copycat
I really like how junpei is actually pissed about ??? Using his persona especially since it has a lot of sentimental value to him
Was really looking forward for Koromaru getting really offended by having his persona copied in the remake LMAO
Tbh I feel like the others aren't offended enough.
I would've thought Akihiko would be fuming
@@smilingman4299I think Junpei’s pretty pissed
@@kirbywithaknifeisawesome6028 Not pissed enough
@@smilingman4299 Not enough? Bruh what more do you want Junpei to say? Something edgy like "fuck you" or something? It's fine the way it is.
@@infinitypercival5958 It's my opinion dude, you don't need to be like that
can we talk about how hard that cut-in goes?
The red effects of enemy Persona users has been a thing but the fact it’s black is so cool, especially with the water aesthetic they got going on a sort of rebirth/Baptism vibe the with Strega it makes it look like blood because their Personas are actively harmful to use and ???’s is blackened old blood because it’s a facsimile of a dead man, or maybe I’m looking to much into it and they just wanted it to be edgier than normal.
I'm so glad I played this game blind cuz that cut-in was amazing and seeing in for the first time was so cool!!
Rise: Was that your Persona just now?! Senpai, be careful!
Adachi: Magatsu-Izanagi? Well aren't you a cheeky little shit!
Marie: Kaguya?! Ugh, can this thing get even more irritating?!
Futaba: That was one of Joker's Personas! This thing's playing with cheat codes!
Morgana: Mercurius?! Hey, we're the Phantom Thieves here!
Ryuji: Seiten Taisei?! For real?!
Ann: Did he just summon Hecate?
Yusuke: An intricate forgery, but that's all it is...
Queen: He's copying Anat now.
Haru: Astarte...
Akechi: Loki? Are you trying to piss me off?!
Violet: Why are you using Vanadis?!
Ryuji: 4real
You really captured their personalities in these hypothetical lines, good job.
How come you've done one for Yu, Adachi, and Marie, but not the rest of the Investigation Team?
@@gioelealpizar6009 Because they were the only P4 characters represented through the DLC Personas.
@@edwardramos4591 oh. Still, though.
I never thought about this until now but, what if in the OG FES & this DLC, what if he used Caster (Castor?) at one point? Shinjiro’s persona. I’d love to see how the cast (especially Akihiko) would react to seeing ??? using Shinjiro’s persona during this fight
Maybe it'll go like this:
"No not again! Castor won't take another life!"
Yes, it's Castor
Meanwhile if that happens, Ken will just get PTSD and then Mitsuru will be confused too like how even her Persona is also used
I belive the shadow can only take form of the living not dead ones.
@@Skyler-f7mspecifically this shade is a construction of the living sees members inner desires to see Him again. In a way, this is a battle against themselves. Similarly to how Metis exists, you could say.
It's poetic really. A monster of their creation using the same abilities as their leader which in turn coped their own powers. This is some next level masochism.
Junpei's reaction essentially being "You dont have the right to use Trismegistus!" is the best of them all
0:45 I bet Chidori wouldn't like that...
It's obvious
0:45 Insulting Chidori's soul will cause Junpei to burn you to hell.
I like what they did for the model of ???
They even included the new bits like the armband.
@@azurerider812Tbf, wouldn’t make much sense if he was wearing the old armband lol
@@Anonymous529 speaking of, I think the armbands now carry into the story of P4 Arena and P4 Arena Ultimax
Mitsuru: 0
Akihiko: 1
Shinjiro (+): 2
Door-Kun (+): 3
Yukari: 4
Junpei: 5
Fuuka: 6
Aigis: 7
Koromaru: 8
Ken: 9
Metis woulda been 10 if she stuck around. Maybe that's occupied by Labrys now after P4AU.
@@azurerider812 I dunno, after P3R they mostly (Except Mitsury, Akihiko and Aigis) left SEES and went on to just live their normal lives; they only come back because Mitsuru tells them it’s an emergency
@@Anonymous529 they'll reconvene into the Shadow Operatives. In Ultimax, there was talk about Agents 4, 5, 8 and 9 which are Yukari, Junpei, Koro and Ken respectively. Mitsuru also mentions 6 which is Fuuka.
Imagine how furious Akihiko would be if the Shadow of Doubt used Castor
Akihiko: Castor!? ...How *DARE* you!?
Ken: Castor? N-no...it can't be.
Mitsuru: What? It can use Caator as well?!
The biggest mockery from ??? ever
"You guys got matured? Yeah, right, check THIS so-called matured personas you have lolololol"
In alternative world where Shinjiro's still lives.
Shinjiro: "What the!? How the hell, it using Castor?!
I've said this in the commets section of a video from the OG version, but it's still satisfying hearing characters say the names of their Personas outside of summoning.
Junpei Copyrighting Trismegistus
It's basically a wedding certificate between him and Chidori, so ??? using Tris is like saying "haha, your love is fake"
@@joshuabergman3292 LMAO????
I’m glad they changed some of the Dialogue
Most of the lines, especially in the Colosseum
"Gimme that key!!" There's a reason why some people call her B*tchkari in Fes lmao
Shadow Makoto looks so evil and ruthless, holy shit. That eyecatch was sick
Junpei felt legitimately insulted, and I'm glad he did after the hell he went through, his anger is completely justified
And also hearing how pissed off Koromaru is was actually unsettling
god they cooked with that cut-in
I am a shadow, the true self.
1:46 Nah, you don’t say…
I feel like it’s a huge missed opportunity that Shadow Makoto never brought out Castor, maybe he could’ve used him if you brought Mitsuru, Akihiko and Ken in the team, since they’re the 3 with the most relationship to Shinjiro
Reverse Castor did not even appear in P3 The Answer since Shadow Makoto was made from everyones grief who was still alive. Thats why it can use the teams Persona, but not those who were not involved in his creation, like Shinjiro, Metis or Makoto (with Orpheus)
Sadly that wouldn't happend, ??? can only copy Personas of living people who thought of him, same reason why he can summon Athena but not Psyque
0:46 this is why i like junpei
Like in the original, it doesn’t have Metis’s persona, so if you have Metis in your fighting team, after it uses your other teammates’ personas, the next switch is back to Athena.
Junpei's new reaction is so much better in my opinion. He sounds genuinely furious.
Fuuka: Koro-Chan looks mad!
Me: No duh, Sherlock.
0:45 Awwww
I’m gonna miss Mitsuru’s crudely put together line from fes 😭
It had a good run.
Anyone else notice how the copied personas all are blank/white/chrome colored?
everybody gangsta 'till shadow makoto whips out castor
This game has taught me that if doggo gets mad, YOU RUN!
❤️ That cut in is absolutely gorgeous 🖤
1:43 You have enraged the doggy!!! It's going to bite your legs off!!!
Hell yeah, Junpei and Koromaru are rightfully pissed
That persona change animation was dope
Mitsuru : he's not using artemisia properly when not casting marin karin
Atlus missed the opportunity
Can't use his Wild Card Personas, but can use his friends' Personas.
Could've been cool if he could use Juno for some kind of healing/boost skill
Fuuka: Did it just... use Juno?! Watch out, it knows your weaknesses now!
I can't wait for the modders to change ??? into the FeMC model with the same updates just because they probably can.
I love how the cut in of the shadow MC looks like. I love how there’s like blood in it too. It looks cool in my opinion
i know if it were me i would probably be like “wtf dude that’s MINE”
Imagine if he used Fuuka's persona for a weakness scan
That could have been nice actually, I mean, they could have add it very easily since it's an already existing enemy skill that Jin uses
Whats funny is that Atlus released a Persona game for mobile (i think) called Persona 3 M which had Sees fighting against shadows of themselves who had the same Persona's but were negative
Shinjiro: "What? Castor... but how?"
I honestly wish they made him copy Juno as well considering Fuuka is a lot more involved in combat in Reload than she was in the old iterations.
I noticed that when ??? uses their personas they have a different color
I never got this far in the fight cause I Armageddoned his ass in like 2 rounds
(??? uses Arsene)
Joker: What?! Why is it using my Persona?
???: Now you know...how it feels...
Would've been cool if Shinji's persona was summoned too
They're lucky Makoto Yuki didn't buy the Magatzu-Izanagi DLC.
How would the rest of the Investigation Team, Sho, Labrys, Wolf, Sophie and Toshiro react if ??? used their Personas?
Nah, that's just straight up evil. I hope Junpei hits nothing but crits when I get to this fight
They really pulled the??? Card again...
Just finished watching a playthrough & didn't know about this except Aigis. Nice touch. Thanks.
Imagine what would Fuuka’s reaction be if ??? used Juno (stat boost or healing?)
Okay I'm shamelessly ripping off a joke I saw on a complilation of the og ??? Fight but.
When I'm at a restaurant and the salad list is a little too long 1:01
This looked like the same thing in PERSONA III FES. THE ANSWER
I wonder how mad Aki would get if ??? used Shinji's Persona...
I killed it so fast it never got to use any others 😭😭
Fun fact, outside of Castor and Juno, ??? never uses Psyche in the fight.
So sad I missed all of this. I had Akihiko use a theurgy and he did like 10k damage and 1 shot this boss...
This is what I was searching for! Thanks for the video!
Finally, HD!
Edit: aw dammit, no more copycat from nu Junpei
literally forgot about this because i beat him in like 4 turns.
Athena hurts the most considering Metis is Athena so he’s basically using your own sister against you
Wait, he could switch Personas?! I beat him while he was using Athena. And i was even on hard mode...
imagine how funny it would've been if they made ??? use fuuka's to full heal himself and reveal weaknesses
A question: Are Metis & Psyche not affected? I've seen the original but never thought about it. I assume the battle isn't coded for them.
TY for reading! 🔅
Psyche isn't copied in the original, i wouldn't think ???? Can copy it in the remake either
Makoto and Metis never met, so ??? not being able to copy Psyche would make perfect sense to me.
@@infinitypercival5958 Perfect and rational sense, thank you! Was a sudden thought and glad to see there's reasonal logic to back it. 🫰
@@infinitypercival5958 Spoiler.
I think the reason why ??? never copies Psyche is because Metis didn't create it. Yes, she's a facet of Aegis but it's the latter who contributed to ???'s existence.
A bit of spoilers, but ??? Is basically a shadow of grief created by the living members of SEES wanting to see him again.
Since Métis never knew him, Psyche never gets copied.
koromaru was spitting the shit out of him
Dark protag must have got that day 1 dlc persona pack
now what would be really cool is if he brought out shinji’s persona
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
Idk who ??? is but they look cool, maybe bring it back for another spinoff game or somethin
They could have done it with ultimax with ??? As npc but with a playable p3mc
BRO IT JUST CAME OUT TODAY
He was playing it all day yesterday
People still surprised what streamers got copys of game far more earlier then normal players and have time to prepare content.
I didnt get it early though, I just rushed it on stream
Could this the in universe origin of the picaro personas?
tho this is the subconscious so this ain’t exactly literal but association with words do like ancient gteek butterfly/soul/wind. Picaro means rouge or bohemian, pretty much artistic deviant. ??? Is a manifestation of guilt, just like how one express emotions through art. They are our team’s personal personas that follow the command of another, like a rouge subordinate. Even more they are black, silver and red versions that are more powerful then the original, just need some gold and more edgy clothing and it’s practically picaro.
Mmm, although the picaro personas don't have a canon background, that's an interesting interpretation of them. IMO, Atlus just decided that it'd be cool that DLC personas followed the P5 trend (since they're guests) and came up with their picaro versions.
@@GabyEzePereira yes of course in our world outside the game, but I’m talking about how they came to be in the world of persona
@@shiningstar737 Yes, that's why i pointed out picaro personas don't exist lorewise, so there's no exact explanation.
@@GabyEzePereirathe idea behind the picaro personas is basically ‘if joker had this persona instead of arsene/satanael.’ Not… really that much deeper than that, but it’s still an interesting idea.
Everyone: How is he using all these personas?
Like they didn't JUST have a year long adventure with him...
He can use multiple, but never his teammate's.
Wildcards can only use Persona they capture or fuse.
Needed a video like this because I killed him too fast, even on Heartless 😂
This has always been my question, is ??? actually using a persona, or is it just making it appear physically and using the skill itself?
How did I not see any of thee but Athena lol. I might have accidentally been over leveled
_Koromaru is Furious_
He was angry and furious!
I never got to see this cause I just killed him in 3 turns, lol
Can you do a showcase of new Fusion Spells?
will do!
@@FazPersona Thanks a lot! And sorry for the trouble
@@ark7806no worries goat. video is up!
Yo, remember when this guy had like, niflheim and panta rhei n shit? *Good times.*
RIP The wrong salad joke with Akihiko. Just doesn't work anymore
Okay, but we should actually get to see him use Juno. I get there wouldn't be much of a point, but complete the experience.
Yeah I think the devs missed out with this one, as they could've used her as a persona that was just there for buffs or, even better, had her appear as his Theurgy Skill for when he reached half or critical health. The latter would be both scary and awesome at the same time.
0:46 Interestingly in the Japanese version of Reload, Junpei's line is the same old "you copycat!" (パクリかよ！) So this emotional upgrade for Junpei only occurs in the English localization.
This is one of the few times an English Dub does it better than the original one.
This scene annoyed me. The slow attacking and the characters calling out their personas name with "no way" 10 times in a row
Would've been really nice if he copied Juno for a Pinch Healing/Buffing move or used Shock Noise
Maybe
Fuuka: What!? Juno!? I- uh...be careful everyone!
Ok but where is Fuuka's Juno?
Do I still have to pay is a 30 $40 for this?
And again the bass game is like $70
Man, voice direction was a little spotty for a couple characters.
Koro chan : Grrr (of disapproval)
No shinji?
He's on vacation
Nah man dont worry he probably just forgot to include him
He died in the main story line
1:01 When you walk into the salad bar and see all the variety.
Had to come here because i killed him too fast😂
I get that he was important to everyone but doesn't it feel like they're just sliding Shinji under the rug? Imagine if along with everyone's persona he also summoned Castor and everyone in the party would react
Shinji was dead before Makoto was, so it makes sense, you can't grieve someone if you die before them