It's interesting how Aigis and Elizabeth go on separate paths, while Aigis finds an answer. Elizabeth continues her search, at least according to Persona 4 Arena
To think Elizabeth is still searching a way to resurrect Makoto (during and after P4AU), it shows how Makoto is able to achieve something neither Joker nor Yu could...
Good video, but Elizabeth doesn't really "talk about" Makoto. She's clearly troubled by what happened and is thinking about him/how to free him, but she doesn't bring him up or anything (even vaguely). Maybe alter the title a little bit for better accuracy (just my opinion, at any rate).
Yeah but it does hint that she's thinking about him and what to do about his situation. She was probably thinking of leaving the Velvet Room after as mentioned by Margaret and seen in the P4 Arena games
These cryptic added Liz dialogues where really interesting... maybe they're teasing us about something (they're teasing us about it since Base P4 lol that's 15 years ago) that will happen, Maybe P5 Arena or P6?
P5 already has the equivalent of P4 arena in terms of continuity (5 strikers) they either do an enhanced version of strikers or just leave this still as a cliffhanger for a couple of years, unless they give finally a resolution in P6.
Seems like Atlus is aware and still hasn't brushed off to the side what they did with Elizabeth in persona 4 arena, her promise and her journey I kinda hope they will actually expand in Elizabeth's journey with the help of the og S.E.E.S. team members and make a mainline game out of it
Or they could just create a sequel to persona 3 with a new protagonist who could be a distant relative of makoto taking place in the same school with Elizabeth reappearing and we may be able to witness makoto finally being unsealed with Erebus finally being destroyed for good.
Im kinda wondering if she will "save" Makoto one day....still waiting for P5 Arena. What ending would you want for Makoto? Would you want him to simply go to the afterlife or become an attendant or something?
Im glad they reference him quite often in reload. Over the last few years i kept getting this nagging feeling that Aigis was essentially replacing him (which was inevitable considering he.... Ya know) but ultimately i dont necessarily think he's being replaced. More like Aigis just continuing his legacy all while carving her own path.
Wouldn't it be funny if Persona 6 is about some moron like Takaya 2.0 wanted to end the world by releasing Nyx, he succeeded but Makoto Yuki will be revived as well but not as a person, but something like Pharos/Ryoji of Persona 6 Protagonist.
Probably not the best place to be asking this but… what was the point of that plot thread in P4 arena where Elizabeth wants to save Makoto-kun from being the great seal? If the idea is that he’s gone forever (because in real life when people die, they’re gone for good. That’s basically the main message of Persona 3, right? Learning to accept death?), why is that subplot even there in the first place, especially if Atlus doesn’t seem interested in giving it any form of conclusion? Update: In case I confused anyone, I’m not asking why Elizabeth has set out to do what it is she wants to do, but rather why Atlus has created that subplot in the first place. Because it’s been a decade now and they seem to have no intention of giving it any form of conclusion. I kind of feel like they should’ve never mentioned anything about Elizabeth trying to free Makoto-kun to begin with if they weren’t interested in giving that story thread some kind of resolution.
I think she wants to find a way to let his soul rest in peace. Spoilers ahead So, after fighting Nyx, his soul became the great seal, which makes it impossible for him to go to the afterlife (if there is one) or to rest in peace, as he'll remain as the great seal forever. Elizabeth wants to find a way to get rid of Nyx so his soul can finally rest in peace. His body was buried a while ago, so he can't revive
I mean he’s already dead, but his soul can’t pass onto the next life as it’s currently stuck keeping the seal active, so regardless of whether Elizabeth succeeds or not he would always remain dead, at best he could reincarnate if their even is such a thing in the persona universe, or maybe an afterlife who knows for sure, what we do know is that makoto soul is currently stuck trying to keep the seal active, Elizabeth’s goal is to free his soul so that he makes it onto the next life whether that be reincarnation or an afterlife etc. his real body however has long since been buried and he’s already clinically declared dead even if they couldn’t find a cause for it.
I still dont really get what the point of this remake was if they wouldnt throw a bone and give players two endings for The Answer/Episode Aigis. One that follows the end of The Answer and a new ending that shows SEES saving Makoto or freeing his soul. Having a second possible ending could've made up for the fact that Persona 3's identify, aesthetic and gameplay mechanics unique to the original Persona 3 were sacrificed in Reload.
French Translaste : Après avoir 100% les missions et fini le DLC : Je suis satisfait, après avoir été témoin de la puissance dont vous avez fait preuve. il semble que je sois encore assez distrait. je m'excuse de n'avoir pas encore trouvé de solution à ce problème... se pourrait-il qu'il n'y ait pas de solution ? ou peut-être... eh bien, il est bien trop tôt pour tirer de telles conclusions. je vais d'abord voir votre voyage jusqu'à sa fin. vous avez toute ma gratitude pour tous les efforts que vous avez déployés pour m'apaiser. Parler à Elizabeth : hm... il semble que tu aies grandi de façon spectaculaire. je crois que tu seras désormais capable de manier une véritable pléthore de personas. tu as fait de splendides progrès, en fait. peut-être pourras-tu même... oh mes excuses. il semble que je me sois un peu perdu dans mes pensées. bien... en tout cas, je salue tes efforts, continue à entretenir tes personas, et à viser des hauteurs encore plus grandes...
It’s clear that Elizabeth, Aigis, and Yukari loved Makoto. They were definitely hurt by his passing.
Mitsuru too, reload kinda changed most of her line after we beat Yukari in the battle for the keys.
I think everyone was hurt by his passing, including us lmao
Me too
no shit
Elizabeth loved Makoto so much she left the Velvet Room to find a way to save him.
It's interesting how Aigis and Elizabeth go on separate paths, while Aigis finds an answer. Elizabeth continues her search, at least according to Persona 4 Arena
Aigis joined to free him or take his place you btch
in persona 4 Margaret also mentions Elizabeth attempting to save Makoto from his fate
Still waiting on how the Elizabeth journey, from fool to the world/universe from P4A continues, it's been a bit
And thinking about after playing P4AU, she still searching a way to meet Makoto...
Margareth in P4 tells you that her sister will do everything to save emo kid, no matter how long it'll take
not putting Hashino SX doll there unfortulally.
@@necrotic256 Pretty sure that was a throwaway line at the time, then P4 Arena made it into a subplot that Atlus doesn’t seem interested in resolving…
@@matth6163 I am not autistic enough to play spin off games. Though i heard that Adachi shows up there to style on them kids
@@necrotic256 the spin off games is cool at least p4 arena that's the only one i played.
the emo kid had a pipe blessed by god himself of course she's working overtime to save him lol.
I wished we got an after credit scene of Elizabeth Leaving The Velvet room.
It did happen in the end of P3 Movie The Winter of Rebirth
@@jacoblu1 yeah I loved that. But I wish It was Here in the game.
To think Elizabeth is still searching a way to resurrect Makoto (during and after P4AU), it shows how Makoto is able to achieve something neither Joker nor Yu could...
I mean, neither of them are dead so we don't know what their assistants would do
She is searching for a way so his soul can peacefully pass away instead of being a door for eternity
I wonder how much time Elisabeth will spend on her journey. All She wants is to be "guided" by him again.
eons according to Margaret, send SEES souls to hell when they forgot about them, and destroy the abomination of Aigis as payment
@@mfsalatino Or rip Kasumi´s life
Good video, but Elizabeth doesn't really "talk about" Makoto. She's clearly troubled by what happened and is thinking about him/how to free him, but she doesn't bring him up or anything (even vaguely). Maybe alter the title a little bit for better accuracy (just my opinion, at any rate).
Yeah but it does hint that she's thinking about him and what to do about his situation. She was probably thinking of leaving the Velvet Room after as mentioned by Margaret and seen in the P4 Arena games
Philemon can revive him with no difficulty.
@@thelaw_00 Join Maruki or do a Sargeras.
He shouldn’t change it really, more views
At least they have not forgotten about this storyline....
@@mfsalatinoDude, what the fuck are you even talking about?
@@mfsalatino are you ok bro ? wtf are you talk about ?
@@mfsalatinoBro wtf
These cryptic added Liz dialogues where really interesting... maybe they're teasing us about something (they're teasing us about it since Base P4 lol that's 15 years ago) that will happen, Maybe P5 Arena or P6?
Aigis must pay for what she did to him by taking his place or just being destroyed so mankind is saved for the cyber matriarchy.
P5 already has the equivalent of P4 arena in terms of continuity (5 strikers) they either do an enhanced version of strikers or just leave this still as a cliffhanger for a couple of years, unless they give finally a resolution in P6.
@@erickl.7539 persona 10 it is then.
Seems like Atlus is aware and still hasn't brushed off to the side what they did with Elizabeth in persona 4 arena, her promise and her journey
I kinda hope they will actually expand in Elizabeth's journey with the help of the og S.E.E.S. team members and make a mainline game out of it
Or they could just create a sequel to persona 3 with a new protagonist who could be a distant relative of makoto taking place in the same school with Elizabeth reappearing and we may be able to witness makoto finally being unsealed with Erebus finally being destroyed for good.
@@Holy_Crusader with the destruction of Aigis
It would be cool to have a spin off game about the shadow operatives and Elizabeth joining the squad.
@@kram6375 revive him and make aigis pay.
@@mfsalatino Wow, what’s your beef with Aigis?
Im kinda wondering if she will "save" Makoto one day....still waiting for P5 Arena.
What ending would you want for Makoto? Would you want him to simply go to the afterlife or become an attendant or something?
Ooh, I'd love him becoming an attendant
Did they say he was barred from the afterlife?
Hope the put his soul in an anti shadow weapon
@@sparkydoodle696 is implied.
his resurrection.
Im glad they reference him quite often in reload. Over the last few years i kept getting this nagging feeling that Aigis was essentially replacing him (which was inevitable considering he.... Ya know) but ultimately i dont necessarily think he's being replaced. More like Aigis just continuing his legacy all while carving her own path.
Wait, looks like Elizabeth's journey is not coming to an end yet
Wouldn't it be funny if Persona 6 is about some moron like Takaya 2.0 wanted to end the world by releasing Nyx, he succeeded but Makoto Yuki will be revived as well but not as a person, but something like Pharos/Ryoji of Persona 6 Protagonist.
Nice vid!
Wasn’t there a theory that she was actively looking for a way to save Makoto from his door fate?
I remember that being a thing
Nah, that was explicitly shown in the opening cutscene for her story in P4 Arena
@@uselessgod-4934 ahhh right P4 Arena
Probably not the best place to be asking this but… what was the point of that plot thread in P4 arena where Elizabeth wants to save Makoto-kun from being the great seal? If the idea is that he’s gone forever (because in real life when people die, they’re gone for good. That’s basically the main message of Persona 3, right? Learning to accept death?), why is that subplot even there in the first place, especially if Atlus doesn’t seem interested in giving it any form of conclusion?
Update: In case I confused anyone, I’m not asking why Elizabeth has set out to do what it is she wants to do, but rather why Atlus has created that subplot in the first place. Because it’s been a decade now and they seem to have no intention of giving it any form of conclusion. I kind of feel like they should’ve never mentioned anything about Elizabeth trying to free Makoto-kun to begin with if they weren’t interested in giving that story thread some kind of resolution.
I think she wants to find a way to let his soul rest in peace.
Spoilers ahead
So, after fighting Nyx, his soul became the great seal, which makes it impossible for him to go to the afterlife (if there is one) or to rest in peace, as he'll remain as the great seal forever. Elizabeth wants to find a way to get rid of Nyx so his soul can finally rest in peace. His body was buried a while ago, so he can't revive
I mean he’s already dead, but his soul can’t pass onto the next life as it’s currently stuck keeping the seal active, so regardless of whether Elizabeth succeeds or not he would always remain dead, at best he could reincarnate if their even is such a thing in the persona universe, or maybe an afterlife who knows for sure, what we do know is that makoto soul is currently stuck trying to keep the seal active, Elizabeth’s goal is to free his soul so that he makes it onto the next life whether that be reincarnation or an afterlife etc. his real body however has long since been buried and he’s already clinically declared dead even if they couldn’t find a cause for it.
They wanted to change the attendants so it is their way of replacing her with another one.
@@Holy_Crusader Philemon can gave him a new body with no difficuty
@@alejandropavon8421 the messiah resurrected so he should.
What can I say besides makotos sex was so good she wants to save him
Eloise Mills
I thought she was going to give something 😮💨
Smash
I still dont really get what the point of this remake was if they wouldnt throw a bone and give players two endings for The Answer/Episode Aigis.
One that follows the end of The Answer and a new ending that shows SEES saving Makoto or freeing his soul.
Having a second possible ending could've made up for the fact that Persona 3's identify, aesthetic and gameplay mechanics unique to the original Persona 3 were sacrificed in Reload.
French Translaste :
Après avoir 100% les missions et fini le DLC : Je suis satisfait, après avoir été témoin de la puissance dont vous avez fait preuve. il semble que je sois encore assez distrait. je m'excuse de n'avoir pas encore trouvé de solution à ce problème... se pourrait-il qu'il n'y ait pas de solution ? ou peut-être... eh bien, il est bien trop tôt pour tirer de telles conclusions. je vais d'abord voir votre voyage jusqu'à sa fin. vous avez toute ma gratitude pour tous les efforts que vous avez déployés pour m'apaiser.
Parler à Elizabeth : hm... il semble que tu aies grandi de façon spectaculaire. je crois que tu seras désormais capable de manier une véritable pléthore de personas. tu as fait de splendides progrès, en fait. peut-être pourras-tu même... oh mes excuses. il semble que je me sois un peu perdu dans mes pensées. bien... en tout cas, je salue tes efforts, continue à entretenir tes personas, et à viser des hauteurs encore plus grandes...
Merci !