@@Iron8127lemme add something…. Kotone: Nyx, that is 3 times in a row- Erebus, stop banging on the God Damn Door! Erebus: Let me innnnn!!! LEt mE Innnnnnnn!!!
@@Iron8127 second part Nix:but my king chage arcana Makoto: my pawn change persona Nyx: well played but... Eberus: **bang the door and scream** Makoto and nyx: shut up we are playing the best round of chess
Notice in all of the Persona media, Elizabeth only mentions that she wants to "save" the P3 Protagonist, not "revive" him or bring him back to life. I think the idea behind Elizabeth's quest is to free him from the burden of being The Great Seal, and let his soul finally be at rest.
Yep. "our boy" (makoto) isnt resting in peace.. he is.. for all eternity stuck in that state.. his body is already dead (i assume) but.. his soul cant.. reincarnate.. thats sad :T (i totally hope that elizabeth find a way to free him! )
Considering Egor may have to retir from his role as the Master of the Velvet room due to how weakened he is in P5 and that his voice actor is now dead. Maybe P3 Protagonist becomes the new Master of the Velvet room.
@@orrthehunter I don't really think so, I'm good with the idea of Igor announcing his retirements in P6, but I found it really disturbing for Door-kun and Door-chan to take over the Velvet Room
Well, "being saved" was a neutral phase at this point. Revive him would ruin the whole message of P3 as some people said, and I understand why they're not gonna use the phase "revive" is because just in case if they wanna wrote some more stories about him being saved, they could kill him so the P3 message won't get ruined (I think)
I will never understand people claiming bringing Minato back will "Ruin the message of Persona 3" The message was already sent, we got it, we learned it, that's all there is to it. With that message sent, they're free to do whatever they want with the P3 cast. It's not like bringing Minato or Shinjiro back will retroactively alter the message. No one's gonna look at that and assume Persona 3 was trying to tell us, "Make the most of the life so when death comes you can accept it UNLESS your hot blue Velvet Room GF can bring you back to life after the fact."
Shinji is probably going to die from the meds he was taking so having him survive doesnt really change much As to Chidori, she loses her memories, so the Chidori Junpei knew (and the one who fell in love with him) is as good as gone. Door-kun is a more delicate case, but considering that he has been a door for around 7 years (at the time of p5), him coming back shouldn't ruin the game, as his friends have already moved on and kept living. It's a bit iffy when you just say "shinji, chidori and door die except they don't", but considering the context atlus put to justify those decisions, its more acceptable
I think p3 dude will only return as a soul and not human with flesh and bone maybe elizabeth make him her special persona or even ask igor to turn him into velvet residsnts, would be cool if in p6 we meet him as a igor bodyguard or something.. After event of p5 they really need a bodyguard
@@okadzz7905 i prefer velvet room minato coz he can still meet aegis and go outside to meet his friend once in a while.. Would it be nice to enjoy the world that you saved huh?
I kinda wonder what became our door-kun in Maruki alternate reality. Theoricaly Nyx shouldn't exist, it's possible that he was alive with his friends back there
Just because we don’t have troubles doesn’t mean we won’t lose our subconscious want of death. I think no matter what maruki would do, door kun would stay as door kun
Abhinav Katkoori I want a persona "spinoff" which plays like the main games in terms of combat but the protagonist is Elizabeth and the party members are the velvet room anntendents and it's about Elizabeth's quest to save p3mc
@@______-uw3ei Elizabeth would likely have social link too just like other protags and become guest in velvet room just like Margaret said, imagine her social links encompass some characters from persona 1-5 too since somehow she always revolve around them just like Persona 4 Arena.
The whole point of death is to let your soul rest. However, the P4U games suggest that he's serving as the seal that locks away Nyx from entering the world. If you think about it, Makoto/Minato isn't resting. His soul is still alive, just guarding the door. So...it would mean that P3's story still....isn't complete? I might be running off a tangent, but these are just my thoughts. Also....with Elizabeth, she's bestowed with the Fool arcana...I think she'll eventually complete her goal, just like how Aegis did in P3A, how Minako did in P3P, how Makoto/Minato did in P3, how Yu/Souji did in P4 and P4G, and how Ren/Akira did in P5/P5R.
Joker never really completed his because even though he has the world he is still consider a fool being that his ultimate and secondary persona are all of fool because his journey is never complete.
@@lostnnotfound while that is true, I do believe that it is fitting that Ren/Akira's ultimate personas were from the fool arcana. That just means that he is still able to continue the journey of life without fear of feeling lost or caged in, like how he did in the beginning. He is still a fool, but a fool that won't ever find himself lost or caged yet again (if we ignore strikers lol)
If we're gonna compare makoto/minato's story in persona to Jesus' story in the bible, it's still not done. We're still at black Friday and makoto still hasn't resurrected/went to the afterlife. If that's the case, then yes persona3 is not yet done
With that, I'm hoping that the next persona game will focus more on persona3's continuation of the story. The MC will be none other than the group involved in the things that happened in p3. And personally, I would love it if it's yukari because of the bond she has made with makoto during the events in persona3. And the fact that out of all three of them (aigis, Elizabeth, and yukari), she's the only one who hasn't gotten the fool arcana yet
Since Elizabeth has now the Fool Arcana, if she ever decided to return to the Velvet Room would she still count as an Attendant or would she become a Guest?
Anyone that not from velvet room or the holder of arcana (any) is a guest. While an Attendant is something(?) from velvet room and does not held an arcana of its own
Elizabeth treads a dangerous path, she reminds me of the Nephilim, fallen angels that fell in love with humans and begot half-angel children. For their crimes they were banished from heaven, and I fear the same thing happening to Elizabeth. Falling in love with a human isn't a crime per se, but even Theodore mentioned that he would be punished if he dallied with the FeMC for too long, and he broke off the relationship out of fear of forgetting his duties. Presumably Velvet Room attendants are supposed to remain more or less detached from their "guests". They can form bonds with them, but it seems like Igor frowns on them getting too close. Which is kinda sad, but makes sense I guess. If a Velvet Room attendant were to become overly attached to a human they might neglect their responsibilities and have a hard time saying goodbye to them at the end of the story. It seems like Igor makes it a rule not to interfere too much with human lives, apart from granting various individuals special abilities and allowing them access to various persona-related functions within the Velvet Room. Speaking of, why does Igor need assistants? Near as I can tell, he is capable of performing all the same things himself and I believe he handles fusion personally (except for Persona 5 because that wasn't really Igor). Hmm, now I have to wonder also what Velvet Room attendants do in their free time? Like, when they're waiting for the protagonist to come to the Velvet Room or after the game is completed and they're no longer needed, what do they do? Judging by the flashback with Margaret it seems like Velvet Room attendants have other responsibilities besides administering to the player. And I wonder also if new Velvet Room attendants are created each time a new Wild Card awakens to their persona? If so, I wonder why? Why not just reuse old attendants? Why bother creating new ones? And who creates these new attendants? Igor? And what about Morgana? He's not a Velvet Room attendant but he is kind of a resident of the Velvet Room, I assume Igor created him as well before Yaldabaoth came and fucked him up. Too many questions! XD
Since you are so curious, have you ever played the older persona games? This might interest you *light spoilers for Persona 1 and 2* In Persona 1 and 2 there are many velvet room residents different from the siblings we've seen in P3, P4 and P5. Belladona, Nameless, the Demon Painter (who's actually human himself, and not an avatar of power like the velvet siblings). All Persona users in the P1 and P2 party were able to visit the Velvet room then, and even some non persona users under certain circumstances (like, the Persona users would ask Igor to help with a curse and bring the victim right there to him). I would like it if future games explained a bit why starting P3 the Velvet room has so many rules with everything, people say it's because Philemon is long gone or too weak so Igor does what he can with what he has left.
To me personally P3 story wasn't finished back then. Like P3 cast said "he" will come back someday. There was never a message to begin with, there is a chance that P3 will have a sequel considering the ending. I love P3 story, character and i do hope seeing them once again in P6 or probably an official crossover between P4 and P5 different from spinoff like Q and Arena.
I'm hoping that P6 is Elizabeth's story. It makes enough sense if you consider it from its JoJo's parallel sense. Persona sequels & JoJo's parts tend to parallel each other because of the close friendship between the series' creators so if the pattern continues, then Elizabeth could be 6's protagonist.
@@Fanimati0n Rather than Elizabeth i prefer the whole Velvet Room become the focus of P6. I want to know exactly what or where the Velvet Room come from. After Persona 5 i was convinced that Velvet Room actually have enemy, it would be awesome if the enemy called the Crimson Room or something similar to that.
@@nueveg3153 Well a lot of what you are asking is somewhat answered in P1 and 2. The velvet room was created by philemon to guide all persona users,though it got downgraded to just wild cards when Philemon decided to go on vacation or whatever he did after Eternal Punishment. As for what Philemon is and where he came from and what opposes him you'll have to play persona 2 to see this.
I have a possible theory on how Elizabeth could free his soul. Elizabeth's goal is to free his soul from being the wall. Whether this means she wants to bring him back to life, or wants to allow his soul to move on, im not quite sure. HOWEVER, and this is just a theory. What if she(or from what many people speculate, the phantom thieves) could convince the populace as a whole, to give up a year or so off of their own life span. Or maybe even select few(teammates and social links) to give up some of their life force to help create another wall. This would also come to serve as another lesson of self sacrifice by shortening their lifespan by a few years. That way nobody has to be the door. It will be made out of the willpower of humanity itself. Humanity is the one who beckoned to erebus, so humanity could in theory be the one to help keep erebus at bay. This would allow the mc to be released from his bounds into return to the sea of souls. And then there's another outcome which i hope they dont actually do. Elizabeth would simply sacrifice herself and become the door. Though i'm not quit sure if such a thing is achievable by her. While she is very powerful this seemed like something only the protag could have done. Something special about him and his persona maybe.
hope atlus make P6 where a new protagonist save door-kun soul or something with Elizabeth as supporting role like Aegis, Teddy or Morgana. You can't have a persona games without school life
If they ever make a persona game where the main goal is to save makoto/minato, the protagonist should be someone that has a strong bond with him like yukari
Nyx cannot be killed because if you somehow able to, humanity will die aswell because Shadow comes from her and Human needs their Shadow or else everyone become Apathy Syndrome.
Maybe she could bring back Minato, get Yu, and make them each become half of the seal? It would make their lives shorter but they'd both be alive if that could work.
Peoples always said that "Minato can't be revived because his body is already dead" or something similar but dude think about it, this is Persona you're talking about, reviving someone is less bullshit than Shadow who can use Persona, looking at YOU Teddie!
@@jao_00 Not talking about how he turn himself into human but how he got persona in the first place since he shouldn't be able to since he is the opposite of Persona, but if you're just joking then whoops.
@@Observe-h1t Well Teddie got the persona cuz even if he's a shadow he developes his own personality and problems, and trying to refuse the fact that he's a shadow created his own Persona at the time he faces himself. I think Teddie is not a shadow anymore, not certain of what it is, but not a 100% shadow.
I swear P3 protagonist’s D was life changing for her. Fun fact in the last story scene with her, if you play her story. You and her have some fun in bed(yes it’s exactly what it’s implying). She said to P3 Protagonist that if she stayed in our world she would get to attached. So she returned to her duty instead of hanging out with Him more. This must’ve played in some sort of big regret in her heart.
@@nabildunggio1998 yes XD watch Elizabeth's Social Link, at the final rank she totally asks Minato to do *it* with her (though obviously it's not shown just heavily implied). Same with Theo and PhemSee in P3P, this one is funny as well
I hope it's something like that. But instead of Elizabeth, characters that have strong bonds with makoto and is canon should be the protagonist, like yukari Although whoever it is may still need Elizabeth's knowledge about those things so
@@theadmiral4157No, with each sequence new characters and protagonists are created for the new plot of the story, if the protagonist was someone from a previous game this would be "uninteresting", and well all the protagonists are students/teenagers so it would be impossible to be any member of the playable characters from p1/p2/p3/p4, they are old now. BUT Minato's destiny and ending could be related to the final boss of persona 6, such as Nyx being released into the real world, after Elizabeth's plan works... and maybe even as a bonus Minato could be in the future a velvet room attendant
Me: Elizabeth, you still have a lot to learn about bonds. Reina: We'll tell everything about our friends later. Seliph: We'll see you around, okay? Elizabeth: Of course, I'll see you around later, saviours of the multiverse. (We went our separate paths and we headed back home.)
I hope Persona 6 would cover this up. Saving Makoto using either Yu or Ren as the MC OR we can use Kotone as the MC too you know or we can use new MC and new friend with the old cast helping the new comers save Makoto and prevent whatever calamity gonna come next.
Only bad writers put in nonsensical twists that come out of nowhere and make no sense. People theorizing and talking, long after a book has been closed is a good sign that a story is good. And when their theories are proven wrong but still something that could have been predicted. That's a sign of a good writer. Some people are asshats and never truly invest in anything, moving on to the next fad or book as soon as they finish the last, but that's fine. No one will and should judge and tell you how to and not to enjoy what is in the end, entertainment.
@@remixtheidiot5771 I agree with what you say, if the writers made a change in the story without any way to explain it, then it certainly wouldn't be taken seriously anymore. However, I still wish they find a way to bring P3 MC back, with good points to make it credible at least
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 I mean the P3 protagonist is basically like Jesus who came back after dying not to mention that P2 has the universe being reset so the P3 protagonist coming back isn't really a big stretch. I mean some people say that Elizabeth saying how she wants to save him means she wants to put him to rest and freeing him from his torment but he is sleeping as the seal and isn't in any real pain not to mention that there is no way she would dedicate all this time to defeating Erebus for good only to never be able to him again. Another thing people say is how his body is gone so he can't come back however the velvet room attendants, Teddie and Morgana all originated from the collective unconscious and were not born with physical bodies. I mean Teddie is a shadow yet he is able to gain a human body same with Morgana getting a cats body in he human world. The P3 protagonist getting a new body is not a stretch in the least since we've seen it happen before not to mention that they is literally the strongest persona protagonist and that with the universe Arcana nothing is beyond the realm of possibility for them.
just because his persona is Jesus does not mean he will have 100% fate or story, even Kasumi story does not 100% resemble Cinderella, there is still a twist here and there.
Ngl tho, I think we're heading at the finale. And with that, we might see all characters from past franchise make an appearance in welcoming makoto/minato back. With a little bit of action, of course
I’m here because I just finished p3r and damn that ending hurt. I’m honestly glad they gave us this to us because the thought of MC just dying and everyone being forced to move on without him sucks. Even though we likely won’t ever know if Elizabeth succeeds or in what capacity if she does it at least makes me happy to know that she cares enough to try. Still sad he didn’t even get to say goodbye to the p3 characters tho 😢
Opening it may have some repercussions. I just hope the world is ready to face it. Once it happens, makoto/minato's revival will ring the bells of judgement. If they survive, we will get a happy ending for makoto/minato and the others
I do hope they'll bring Elizabeth's journey into P6, I doubt we'll get to play as her, however I'd enjoy to see how this fool is connecting to those around her after so much time has come to pass
I wish they would make a persona game where elizabeth is the protagonist and her journey as the plot. She gained the fool's arcana anyways so maybe it's her time to be the wild card.
Just finished P4G and saw Margarette dialogue about Elizabeth, so that means in future persona that might be sequel for P3 story Elizabeth might become the enemy? She wants to release the mc on seal that means releasing Nyx and we all know it's the end of the world if Nyx got released.
I hope they show these scenes in some way in the upcoming DLC since this game isnt super accessible. Maybe Aigis passes the fool onto Elizabeth at the end so she can go on her journey. Its super unlikely, i know. But if they do add it in, it could soft confirm that they're working on a spin off
WARNING spoilers for P3 P4 and P5 are here f dat o not clock on comment if you haven’t played or watched these games Honestly after seeing this. I do believe Makoto Yuki can be brought back to life. Because I learned that the humans still desire Nyx, as in Nyx is still wanted among mankind, however if Nyx is no longer wanted as in mankind no longer wishes for death itself then Nyx would seize to exist and he will gain a second chance at life. Because of there’s one connection to the persona final bosses, they all are connected by “Man’s Desire.” As in humans desire for them. Like in P4 the humans wished for Izanami’s fog of lies and deception because they don’t desire the truth. In P5 Yaldaboath or the Holy Grail was wished by the masses for control peace and order after the Phantom Thieves actions and chaos. So in P3 Nyx was created by Man’s desire the desire to die. I’m my belief Nyx I believe can be killed instead of sealed, and if Nyx is killed then the great seal will vanish and give Makoto Yuki a second chance of life.
Erebus is the one who personified our grief to embrace death and he fullfil it by touching Nyx, transmit the grief into her and she respond by giving it their wish, Nyx was never part of human, hell he is not even part of Sea of souls. She is different from other deities like Izanami, Jaldabaoth, Nyarla, and Philemon because she doesn't need humanity to begin with because she is alien from outer space long before human even exist, when she collided with Earth her existence birth humanity. Every human needs Shadow, that's part of their conciousness, it what makes them have different personalities and sentient, without Shadow human mind will become blank and can't think anymore it explained in Persona 3, when they are trapped in the dark hour you shadow leave your body (Apathy Syndrome, ring a bell?) Persona 4 even tell us that Shadows and Persona are one and the same, Persona cannot exist without their Shadow. The point is, you can't get rid of Nyx the mother of all Shadows, but you can probably get rid the real problem Erebus himself. Without him Nyx won't act.
Reza Raygha interesting so Nyx is that strong? I believe that someone with No Omnipotentence over the Multiverse May destroy Nyx. Because I could imagine the good things when Nyx is killed.
@@briayantheomnipotentone3047 i writes that assuming if you killed Nyx, so is all shadows, if that happen humanity also extinct, i can't see why it's a good thing. This might be the reason why Minato never even tried to kill Nyx and instead became a door.
@@briayantheomnipotentone3047 yes and no, Nyx indeed the creator of Shadows and these creature resides within our conciousness and thanks to that we're creature with complex personality Shadow even represent our true personality deep inside as shown in persona 4. Persona on the other hand comes from Philemon, He is representative of Collective Unconscious good side and he tried to help humanity by developing Persona so he can combat representative of Evil Nyarlathotep who can control Shadows. But Persona is basically reverse shadow and vice versa according to persona 4 so both of them using Nyx creation here. Oh just in case if you didn't know what is "Collective Unconscious" it's defense mechanism created by our planet Earth to gain equal standing with Nyx. This is what give birth to "Parallel Dimensions" which later become TV World, Sea of Souls, Abyss of Time, and Metaverse. Gods like Izanami to Jaldabaoth comes from here and this Collective Unconscious are affected by Man's desire.
I like to imagine that someday Elizabeth will free Makoto from this... horrible situation. but what would happen? His body is dead.. for sure.. soooo.. i think that he would be able to reincarnate? (as everything that lives) or.. OR! he comes back as a member of the velvet room?! like Elizabeth, Theodore, Margaret and Lavenza! that would be awesome! i mean.. i dont know 100% what the residents of the velvet room are... maybe they are past "Wild Cards"? (lemme dream okay? xD)
@@shadowthehedgehog2351 nah that's just fan theory created by the fact they are "the one who govern power" it was never confirmed but everyone just go along with it.
He soon was awoken two years after Persona 4 Arena Ultimax story(2012). He was able to be alive again because he was somehow saved by Elizabeth. Elizabeth used the power she has to separate the life of Makoto Yuki by half. Half of Makoto's life is used at the great seal and the other half is being transfered to Makoto's real body. Due to this event, Makoto couldn't be called that he's totally alive, he's half-dead/half-alive. Aside of being half-alive, he's also ageless means whenever he's having a birthday, he'll always be 21 years old. By the time he was resurrected/awaken, his body was in Tatsumi Memorial Hospital, under the care of Kirijo Group in the hand of his old comrade, Mitsuru Kirijo. Apparently, him being half-alive gives him several disadvantages. First, he didn't have physical condition as good as he used to be. Second, due to his 'bad' physical condition, he tried to maintain his stamina as long as he could especially about summoning his persona. The power of the wild card has not gone yet, but since changing many personas will only make his power drains faster, he mainly uses 3 Personas; Thanatos, Messiah, and Orpheus Telos. Since he wanted to repay Elizabeth's deed, he watched over the world, trying to keep away mankind's wishes of calling forth Erebus as the payment. Being not fully guards the seal makes another disadvantage for Makoto. Sometimes, the Dark Hour will come unexpectedly in random times because of the leaking from the seal. Although the tartarus is no longer there, the shadows will sometimes be seen roaming on the road and needs to be exterminated. The signal of the coming of the Dark Hour will be shown by Makoto himself such as, uncontrollable heartbeat and anything that will make Makoto's body weakened. p3-fool.weebly.com/headcanon.html#:~:text=Headcanon%20-%20Makoto%20Yuki,Winter%20of%20Rebirth%20(%234).&text=He%20soon%20was%20awoken%20two,was%20somehow%20saved%20by%20Elizabeth. I found it here
its funny though from the many connections makoto had in the game .... the only one concerned about finding a way to free him is elizabeth ... who saves the savior
I still think this abandoned plotline is the biggest loss the persona franchise has taken. Im 100% sure the fans would LOVE to play as Elizabeth. Not to mention finally saving the MC. I cannot imagine why they havent payed this off yet.
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 If u implying to when she said "Though I cannot defeat that monster down, I may gain the power to truly erase it..." It's Erebus that she trying to erase not nyx, because nyx is much stronger than Velvet Room and even the Owner of Velvet Room.
Like a butterfly fluttering its wings.. and the fool arcana.. made me think of the end game fusion loli girl from persona 5 royal. if only they could link the lore to Elizabeth finding joker and the gang or Elizabeth being the new fool arcana holder or her granting the card to her "champion" for persona 6.
I like how P3,the answer,P4 and Arena are canon in the same universe,in persona 5 arena i wanna see a continuation and P3MC,which Elizabeth finally could bring back
Wouldn't it be the perfect time for atlus to make a sequel to persona3? Seems like the game isn't done yet. They still have some things to do. Aigis and Elizabeth both got the fool arcana. Yukari is the only one that hasn't gotten it yet
i hope atlus make a spin off persona series like "persona : the great seal" where Joker and the Phantom Thieves start their mission to defeat Nyx and set Makoto souls free. Why Joker? because Joker's not achieved the world arcana yet, and we can finally see Joker's world arcana at the end of the series when He defeated Nyx. That'd be awesome, please ATLUS ❤❤❤
The Persona 3 mc is basically Jesus Christ. In the Bible Jesus sacrificed himself to save humanity, and later on he came back to life. The Persona 3 mc sacrificed himself to save humanity, so he could come back to life too. I hope so because I want my Persona 3 mc and Yukari ship to come true.
I have a crazy theory that might proof that Elizabeth already succeed at release P3MC's soul and that is Morgana. Remember what Morgana look like? A black cat with bright blue eyes wearing yellow scarf and keep saying that he is a human. And who is a boy with black hair bright blue eyes and wearing yellow scarf? Ryoji and Ryoji is Thanatos. In P4A Elizabeth take Thanatos with her to stop Erabus from reaching to Nyx. If my theory correct this is what happen. After somehow Elizabeth success to find a power equally to the great seal and replace it then set P3MC's soul free she left Thanatos at the Velvet room nand never came back. Then Yaldabaoth imprisoning Igor and cut Lavenza in half before that happen she used Thanatos to created Morgana then sent off to find a Wildcard to save her master.
Persona 6 would actually be the perfect game to bring Elizabeth's journey into life, and see our boy Makoto alive once more. He deserves a happy ending after all he went through. In a way, it would be cool if the cast had it's own original members, but also had members from the previous 3, 4 and 5 games. Imagine Joker and Yu helping Elizabeth bringing our boy Messiah back. The last battle, Elizabeth, Ren, Yu and Makoto together in a fight against Nyx. The 4 Fools against the voices of Humanity.
I'm not sure if they would dedicate her subplot to a new Persona game, though, since usually every Persona story is meant to stand alone. Also, it just doesn't make sense for her to be the MC; she was already strong from the start, lol, unless they create a story where her power resets to 0 again or she loses her memories. But pretty sure this won't be the last time we hear her story.
Imagine scenario: Elizabeth asking The Phantom Thieves to change people's minds for stop humanity from wish of death,then The Great Seal is no longer ne needed(Sorry for English lvl).
A P3 sequel where yukari is the protagonist, and aigis and Elizabeth as the second and third main characters. That would be amazing ngl. All three of them having a strong bond with makoto/minato which resulted on their goal to try and save makoto
Now that Persona 3 Reload is out a new theory is that Makoto having the Universe Arcana managed to free himself and rewrite his own story, and that's why he was so exhausted at the end of Reload and why the SEES were disconnected from him and Aegis because the power of the bonds wasn't being drained anymore
What if in persona 6 your trying to save Makoto Yuki along side Aigas and before you enter the final boss room you hear in the background “velvet oh velvet, Makoto I have found you”
That feel when you realize both Elizabeth and Queen Elizabeth II 1. Have white hair 2. Have a younger sister named Margaret 3. Are immortal beings outside of time The edit was formatting to get the read more positioned properly
I think this all is going to be like a marvel endgame thing where, at the end, all persona game party’s come together to fix this once and for all. And in the end save him.
Given that this is the same Persona universe that turned a robot into a human (Aegis) and gave a shadow its own physical body (Teddy), it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the protagonist returning WITH a body. But as much as it's possible to bring him back and I want Elizabeth to succeed, in the overall Shin Megami/Persona universe, it makes sense this particular protagonist would join the ranks of guardians/protectors/unworldly beings instead - becoming similar to the guardians we recruit/fuse (guardians like Masakado). So in this sense, it's pretty bad-ass Makoto ended up the way he did. He could've walked the life of a mortal human like the latter Persona protagonists. Instead, this BAMF ascended beyond the realm of the living (much like Demi-fiend in Nocturne, according to canon) and was given cosmic power to balance the likes of Nyxx herself.
Elizabeth: Please wait for me.
Protagonist 3: Take your time. I'm not going anywhere.
Take your time…
Mean persona 6 is coming bois
(meanwhile...)
Makoto: checkmate.
Nyx: oh come on!
@@Iron8127lemme add something….
Kotone: Nyx, that is 3 times in a row- Erebus, stop banging on the God Damn Door!
Erebus: Let me innnnn!!! LEt mE Innnnnnnn!!!
@@Iron8127 second part
Nix:but my king chage arcana
Makoto: my pawn change persona
Nyx: well played but...
Eberus: **bang the door and scream**
Makoto and nyx: shut up we are playing the best round of chess
Elizabeth: Returning him back...
B y D a n c i n g
@Gia Tinh Dư we know. If it was, then everyone would’ve acknowledged he was alive again. Also;
r/wooooosh
How can a door dance it is physically impossible and im sure he's having his messiah moment rn
I mean that happened back in p3 time so no
*elizabeth then started to do a weird dance
WoOOoOooOOoH
Bayonetta would agree
Door-kun returning in 3 games just like how jesus came back after 3 days would be really cool.
Persona 6 play as Elizabeth to save yuki and fight nyx again but stronger like thanos in endgame end then Elizabeth becomes the door 😂😂😂
Imagine if he returns as the new Master of the Velvet room and to be Egor's successor.
All she needs to do is recruit joker & order him to steal erebus just like yaldabaoth.
DeadMemes NeedToStayDead Ahaa that’s interesting I hope Atlus team read this with accidentally 🤣🤣🤣
orrthehunter welcome to the velvet door
Notice in all of the Persona media, Elizabeth only mentions that she wants to "save" the P3 Protagonist, not "revive" him or bring him back to life. I think the idea behind Elizabeth's quest is to free him from the burden of being The Great Seal, and let his soul finally be at rest.
Yep. "our boy" (makoto) isnt resting in peace.. he is.. for all eternity stuck in that state.. his body is already dead (i assume) but.. his soul cant.. reincarnate.. thats sad :T (i totally hope that elizabeth find a way to free him! )
Persona 6 playing as reincarnated door and only at the end we find we were actually a door would be cool
Considering Egor may have to retir from his role as the Master of the Velvet room due to how weakened he is in P5 and that his voice actor is now dead. Maybe P3 Protagonist becomes the new Master of the Velvet room.
@@orrthehunter I don't really think so, I'm good with the idea of Igor announcing his retirements in P6, but I found it really disturbing for Door-kun and Door-chan to take over the Velvet Room
Well, "being saved" was a neutral phase at this point. Revive him would ruin the whole message of P3 as some people said, and I understand why they're not gonna use the phase "revive" is because just in case if they wanna wrote some more stories about him being saved, they could kill him so the P3 message won't get ruined (I think)
Persona 6: Elizabeth's Journey
Honestly, I’d love that as a spin-off game
Ngl I'd buy that in a heart beat
Imagine Elizabeth ended up becoming the main villain (｡•́︿•̀｡)
Dude that’s a great idea! Imagine you play as Elizabeth in p6 , and your mission is to save door kun , with the help of p3 , p4 and P5 team.
@@tora2271 I want Philemon to be the end game boss rather than Elizabeth.
Makoto is the only protagonist that still fighting to keep that door sealed?. C'mon Atlus he deserve an honorable ending let Elizabeth do her things.
I will never understand people claiming bringing Minato back will "Ruin the message of Persona 3" The message was already sent, we got it, we learned it, that's all there is to it. With that message sent, they're free to do whatever they want with the P3 cast. It's not like bringing Minato or Shinjiro back will retroactively alter the message. No one's gonna look at that and assume Persona 3 was trying to tell us, "Make the most of the life so when death comes you can accept it UNLESS your hot blue Velvet Room GF can bring you back to life after the fact."
Shinji is probably going to die from the meds he was taking so having him survive doesnt really change much
As to Chidori, she loses her memories, so the Chidori Junpei knew (and the one who fell in love with him) is as good as gone.
Door-kun is a more delicate case, but considering that he has been a door for around 7 years (at the time of p5), him coming back shouldn't ruin the game, as his friends have already moved on and kept living. It's a bit iffy when you just say "shinji, chidori and door die except they don't", but considering the context atlus put to justify those decisions, its more acceptable
I think p3 dude will only return as a soul and not human with flesh and bone maybe elizabeth make him her special persona or even ask igor to turn him into velvet residsnts, would be cool if in p6 we meet him as a igor bodyguard or something.. After event of p5 they really need a bodyguard
@@mitodrudito5806 maybe dudes soul came back and use newborn baby?
@@mitodrudito5806 Velvet room Minato
@@okadzz7905 i prefer velvet room minato coz he can still meet aegis and go outside to meet his friend once in a while.. Would it be nice to enjoy the world that you saved huh?
I kinda wonder what became our door-kun in Maruki alternate reality.
Theoricaly Nyx shouldn't exist, it's possible that he was alive with his friends back there
It's kinda impossible for Nyx to not exist since her existence give birth to human, but maybe she is exist in another form not as moon.
Maruki seeing Nyx after taking control would be hilarious
Maruki: It’s time to save everyone and bring eternal happiness to the- WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
@@Marceline-0522 yeah you cant erase her or kill her she is a manefestation of death and harm
@@blackchase6732 I mean if he gets his way Nyx won't really have any power since no one would wish for death
Just because we don’t have troubles doesn’t mean we won’t lose our subconscious want of death. I think no matter what maruki would do, door kun would stay as door kun
The most heartbreaking ship in all of Persona
I wonder if this will ever be expanded on, or will just be a throwaway to expand on Elizabeth's character.
Abhinav Katkoori I want a persona "spinoff" which plays like the main games in terms of combat but the protagonist is Elizabeth and the party members are the velvet room anntendents and it's about Elizabeth's quest to save p3mc
@@______-uw3ei Elizabeth would likely have social link too just like other protags and become guest in velvet room just like Margaret said, imagine her social links encompass some characters from persona 1-5 too since somehow she always revolve around them just like Persona 4 Arena.
@@______-uw3ei That's a really interesting concept and I would probably buy it if it existed.
Reza Raygha yeah it could be the game to create a proper link to all the persona games
99% in P5A they will.
The whole point of death is to let your soul rest. However, the P4U games suggest that he's serving as the seal that locks away Nyx from entering the world.
If you think about it, Makoto/Minato isn't resting. His soul is still alive, just guarding the door. So...it would mean that P3's story still....isn't complete?
I might be running off a tangent, but these are just my thoughts.
Also....with Elizabeth, she's bestowed with the Fool arcana...I think she'll eventually complete her goal, just like how Aegis did in P3A, how Minako did in P3P, how Makoto/Minato did in P3, how Yu/Souji did in P4 and P4G, and how Ren/Akira did in P5/P5R.
Pretty Much I want his soul to rest not be shackle to a fate worse than that
Joker never really completed his because even though he has the world he is still consider a fool being that his ultimate and secondary persona are all of fool because his journey is never complete.
@@lostnnotfound while that is true, I do believe that it is fitting that Ren/Akira's ultimate personas were from the fool arcana. That just means that he is still able to continue the journey of life without fear of feeling lost or caged in, like how he did in the beginning. He is still a fool, but a fool that won't ever find himself lost or caged yet again (if we ignore strikers lol)
If we're gonna compare makoto/minato's story in persona to Jesus' story in the bible, it's still not done. We're still at black Friday and makoto still hasn't resurrected/went to the afterlife. If that's the case, then yes persona3 is not yet done
With that, I'm hoping that the next persona game will focus more on persona3's continuation of the story. The MC will be none other than the group involved in the things that happened in p3.
And personally, I would love it if it's yukari because of the bond she has made with makoto during the events in persona3. And the fact that out of all three of them (aigis, Elizabeth, and yukari), she's the only one who hasn't gotten the fool arcana yet
I'm starting to think that maybe they had a plan to bring him back at some point but dropped it in Ultimax
persona 5 arena elizabeth owns nyx buy using a tactial nuke
Netero style 😂
@@vitigaymer1053 netero nah harishima style
Does this mean the P3 protagonist can be actually brought back and this time not for dancing. I'm getting the chills thinking about it.
Would love to see in the future a canon persona crossover with Makoto being brought back
I hope it doesn't happens, it will ruin persona3 messagr
@@danebirbhaha7520 forget the message
This game is canonic after all
@@danebirbhaha7520 While that is a viable argument I don't see why the P3 protag can't come back otherwise.
4:46 When I heard this song
OH MY GOD
which is the theme ? i dont remember XDD
@@lynlongoria the answer
Since Elizabeth has now the Fool Arcana, if she ever decided to return to the Velvet Room would she still count as an Attendant or would she become a Guest?
Anyone that not from velvet room or the holder of arcana (any) is a guest.
While an Attendant is something(?) from velvet room and does not held an arcana of its own
Nah I think she'd still be an attendant, since she was a creation of Philemon and wields powers only beings like her have
@@dodo-uz4ct so would that mean Morgana is an attendant?
As long as she doesn't forget her duties I think that she can keep being an attendant
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 She was created by Igor, not Philemon, and while Igor was created by Philemon, Elizabeth wasn't.
P6: The quest to release "Him"
Persona 6: The Promise
Bros him
Elizabeth treads a dangerous path, she reminds me of the Nephilim, fallen angels that fell in love with humans and begot half-angel children. For their crimes they were banished from heaven, and I fear the same thing happening to Elizabeth. Falling in love with a human isn't a crime per se, but even Theodore mentioned that he would be punished if he dallied with the FeMC for too long, and he broke off the relationship out of fear of forgetting his duties. Presumably Velvet Room attendants are supposed to remain more or less detached from their "guests". They can form bonds with them, but it seems like Igor frowns on them getting too close. Which is kinda sad, but makes sense I guess. If a Velvet Room attendant were to become overly attached to a human they might neglect their responsibilities and have a hard time saying goodbye to them at the end of the story. It seems like Igor makes it a rule not to interfere too much with human lives, apart from granting various individuals special abilities and allowing them access to various persona-related functions within the Velvet Room. Speaking of, why does Igor need assistants? Near as I can tell, he is capable of performing all the same things himself and I believe he handles fusion personally (except for Persona 5 because that wasn't really Igor).
Hmm, now I have to wonder also what Velvet Room attendants do in their free time? Like, when they're waiting for the protagonist to come to the Velvet Room or after the game is completed and they're no longer needed, what do they do? Judging by the flashback with Margaret it seems like Velvet Room attendants have other responsibilities besides administering to the player. And I wonder also if new Velvet Room attendants are created each time a new Wild Card awakens to their persona? If so, I wonder why? Why not just reuse old attendants? Why bother creating new ones? And who creates these new attendants? Igor? And what about Morgana? He's not a Velvet Room attendant but he is kind of a resident of the Velvet Room, I assume Igor created him as well before Yaldabaoth came and fucked him up. Too many questions! XD
Since you are so curious, have you ever played the older persona games? This might interest you *light spoilers for Persona 1 and 2* In Persona 1 and 2 there are many velvet room residents different from the siblings we've seen in P3, P4 and P5. Belladona, Nameless, the Demon Painter (who's actually human himself, and not an avatar of power like the velvet siblings). All Persona users in the P1 and P2 party were able to visit the Velvet room then, and even some non persona users under certain circumstances (like, the Persona users would ask Igor to help with a curse and bring the victim right there to him). I would like it if future games explained a bit why starting P3 the Velvet room has so many rules with everything, people say it's because Philemon is long gone or too weak so Igor does what he can with what he has left.
To me personally P3 story wasn't finished back then. Like P3 cast said "he" will come back someday. There was never a message to begin with, there is a chance that P3 will have a sequel considering the ending. I love P3 story, character and i do hope seeing them once again in P6 or probably an official crossover between P4 and P5 different from spinoff like Q and Arena.
I'm hoping that P6 is Elizabeth's story. It makes enough sense if you consider it from its JoJo's parallel sense. Persona sequels & JoJo's parts tend to parallel each other because of the close friendship between the series' creators so if the pattern continues, then Elizabeth could be 6's protagonist.
@@Fanimati0n Rather than Elizabeth i prefer the whole Velvet Room become the focus of P6. I want to know exactly what or where the Velvet Room come from. After Persona 5 i was convinced that Velvet Room actually have enemy, it would be awesome if the enemy called the Crimson Room or something similar to that.
Persona 3 the remake including
Journey (og story)
Answer (aka aegis chapter)
The Universe (saving Makoto as Elizabeth)
@@nueveg3153 Well a lot of what you are asking is somewhat answered in P1 and 2. The velvet room was created by philemon to guide all persona users,though it got downgraded to just wild cards when Philemon decided to go on vacation or whatever he did after Eternal Punishment. As for what Philemon is and where he came from and what opposes him you'll have to play persona 2 to see this.
@@yorgo2255 i wish we can get back to that mystery where he is beside he is the Butterfly 🦋 but I feel he just waiting for something to come
Man to think she would go this far just because they had some *fun* together.
gigity but no she explains it already she fell in love with him
They do be fucking
Without P3 protagonist, the p4 and p5 cast wouldn't have their lives so insane.
I have a possible theory on how Elizabeth could free his soul. Elizabeth's goal is to free his soul from being the wall. Whether this means she wants to bring him back to life, or wants to allow his soul to move on, im not quite sure. HOWEVER, and this is just a theory. What if she(or from what many people speculate, the phantom thieves) could convince the populace as a whole, to give up a year or so off of their own life span. Or maybe even select few(teammates and social links) to give up some of their life force to help create another wall. This would also come to serve as another lesson of self sacrifice by shortening their lifespan by a few years. That way nobody has to be the door. It will be made out of the willpower of humanity itself. Humanity is the one who beckoned to erebus, so humanity could in theory be the one to help keep erebus at bay. This would allow the mc to be released from his bounds into return to the sea of souls.
And then there's another outcome which i hope they dont actually do. Elizabeth would simply sacrifice herself and become the door. Though i'm not quit sure if such a thing is achievable by her. While she is very powerful this seemed like something only the protag could have done. Something special about him and his persona maybe.
hope atlus make P6 where a new protagonist save door-kun soul or something with Elizabeth as supporting role like Aegis, Teddy or Morgana. You can't have a persona games without school life
P1 and P2 say hi
@@CallumTheCalamity True
shin megami tensei exists
If they ever make a persona game where the main goal is to save makoto/minato, the protagonist should be someone that has a strong bond with him like yukari
I legit waiting for the protagonist to free from that seal... And we actually can kill Nyx:" maybe in future ... With Elizabeth as a protagonist
Well Nyx is Death itself so she can't be killed
Nyx cannot be killed because if you somehow able to, humanity will die aswell because Shadow comes from her and Human needs their Shadow or else everyone become Apathy Syndrome.
Nyx dosent need to be killed, she only was going to cause the fall because humanity allowed Erebus to reach her to bring the fall
Maybe she could bring back Minato, get Yu, and make them each become half of the seal? It would make their lives shorter but they'd both be alive if that could work.
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 Just let our boy rest in peace....
Peoples always said that "Minato can't be revived because his body is already dead" or something similar but dude think about it, this is Persona you're talking about, reviving someone is less bullshit than Shadow who can use Persona, looking at YOU Teddie!
I dont think she is trying to "revive" him. She is trying to free his soul from the Great Seal without freeing Nyx or Erebus
@@DKPGames yes, but in case "Freeing his soul" actually translated to revive him, I'm not surprised at all
Teddie turned human by W O R K I N G O U T
@@jao_00 Not talking about how he turn himself into human but how he got persona in the first place since he shouldn't be able to since he is the opposite of Persona, but if you're just joking then whoops.
@@Observe-h1t Well Teddie got the persona cuz even if he's a shadow he developes his own personality and problems, and trying to refuse the fact that he's a shadow created his own Persona at the time he faces himself. I think Teddie is not a shadow anymore, not certain of what it is, but not a 100% shadow.
Door-Kun returns, but now as a mentor character of the Heirophant Arcana.
And that's why i loved her so much. (Despite how she beat the shit out of me with the 9999 megidolaon)
I swear P3 protagonist’s D was life changing for her. Fun fact in the last story scene with her, if you play her story. You and her have some fun in bed(yes it’s exactly what it’s implying). She said to P3 Protagonist that if she stayed in our world she would get to attached. So she returned to her duty instead of hanging out with Him more. This must’ve played in some sort of big regret in her heart.
Wait they really did it?
@@nabildunggio1998 yes XD watch Elizabeth's Social Link, at the final rank she totally asks Minato to do *it* with her (though obviously it's not shown just heavily implied). Same with Theo and PhemSee in P3P, this one is funny as well
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 damn I never really pay attention 😂
@@nabildunggio1998 lmao me too at first but then I understood the hints and I was shook XD
Now that I think about it, aren't the velvet room attendants like a thousand years old and their quests are like 16? Isn't that kind of illegal?
I want persona 6 to have Elizabeth as the wild card and have her save minato
Remember in p3 when you fought elizabeth she already has many persona? She doesnt need the wild card
@@alanbudiprasetyo4418 then I guess she could just use the compendium like she always has
I’m actually curious to see if P6 might be Elizabeth’s story to save him.
I hope it's something like that. But instead of Elizabeth, characters that have strong bonds with makoto and is canon should be the protagonist, like yukari
Although whoever it is may still need Elizabeth's knowledge about those things so
@@theadmiral4157No, with each sequence new characters and protagonists are created for the new plot of the story, if the protagonist was someone from a previous game this would be "uninteresting", and well all the protagonists are students/teenagers so it would be impossible to be any member of the playable characters from p1/p2/p3/p4, they are old now. BUT Minato's destiny and ending could be related to the final boss of persona 6, such as Nyx being released into the real world, after Elizabeth's plan works... and maybe even as a bonus Minato could be in the future a velvet room attendant
Me: Elizabeth, you still have a lot to learn about bonds.
Reina: We'll tell everything about our friends later.
Seliph: We'll see you around, okay?
Elizabeth: Of course, I'll see you around later, saviours of the multiverse.
(We went our separate paths and we headed back home.)
People who point out that his body is gone have never met Teddie and it shows!
How so?
You have never met Teddie.
This! Remember when Minato has Shadow called "???" I hope they do something about that, maybe as his new body or something.
@@Observe-h1t makoto
I just wanna see this go somewhere
If he does get revived it won't be the first revived persona mc
I hope Persona 6 would cover this up. Saving Makoto using either Yu or Ren as the MC OR we can use Kotone as the MC too you know or we can use new MC and new friend with the old cast helping the new comers save Makoto and prevent whatever calamity gonna come next.
People arguing about what’s possible and impossible when it’s literally fiction that can be twisted by the creators however they want
Only bad writers put in nonsensical twists that come out of nowhere and make no sense.
People theorizing and talking, long after a book has been closed is a good sign that a story is good. And when their theories are proven wrong but still something that could have been predicted. That's a sign of a good writer.
Some people are asshats and never truly invest in anything, moving on to the next fad or book as soon as they finish the last, but that's fine. No one will and should judge and tell you how to and not to enjoy what is in the end, entertainment.
@@remixtheidiot5771 I agree with what you say, if the writers made a change in the story without any way to explain it, then it certainly wouldn't be taken seriously anymore. However, I still wish they find a way to bring P3 MC back, with good points to make it credible at least
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 I mean the P3 protagonist is basically like Jesus who came back after dying not to mention that P2 has the universe being reset so the P3 protagonist coming back isn't really a big stretch.
I mean some people say that Elizabeth saying how she wants to save him means she wants to put him to rest and freeing him from his torment but he is sleeping as the seal and isn't in any real pain not to mention that there is no way she would dedicate all this time to defeating Erebus for good only to never be able to him again.
Another thing people say is how his body is gone so he can't come back however the velvet room attendants, Teddie and Morgana all originated from the collective unconscious and were not born with physical bodies. I mean Teddie is a shadow yet he is able to gain a human body same with Morgana getting a cats body in he human world. The P3 protagonist getting a new body is not a stretch in the least since we've seen it happen before not to mention that they is literally the strongest persona protagonist and that with the universe Arcana nothing is beyond the realm of possibility for them.
just because his persona is Jesus does not mean he will have 100% fate or story, even Kasumi story does not 100% resemble Cinderella, there is still a twist here and there.
All the past, current and future visitors will assemble like the Avengers, calling it now.
Then Minato be entering the battle like Thor arriving in Wakanda
P6 protagonist: “Haha, you guys are so screwed now!”
Ngl tho, I think we're heading at the finale. And with that, we might see all characters from past franchise make an appearance in welcoming makoto/minato back. With a little bit of action, of course
I’m here because I just finished p3r and damn that ending hurt. I’m honestly glad they gave us this to us because the thought of MC just dying and everyone being forced to move on without him sucks. Even though we likely won’t ever know if Elizabeth succeeds or in what capacity if she does it at least makes me happy to know that she cares enough to try. Still sad he didn’t even get to say goodbye to the p3 characters tho 😢
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I swear bro, hopefully makoto comes back
@@heallyos4309 Ong bro my heart dropped when I learned bro ain’t coming back 😭🙏
My only thought here was “I can see him on the door.”
here bc of the recent p3 remake announcement.. hopefully they continue this plot :)
And this is how Persona 3 Reload was born 💅
@TheAbysswalker8888
So, everything will happen the same with the addition of undoing his terrible fate... Sounds like FF7R!
*My maaassster has a laaaaaaaarge nose*
Yknow what would be cool though if she succeeds? Makoto as a Velvet Attendant
Or new owner
Elizabeth is the best attendant hands down
Elizabeth, Theodore, Margret, and Lavenza. They could make a whole team consisting of velvet room attendants if they wanted to.
Someday... may take weeks... may take months... but someday, she will open the door.
Yeah..
Opening it may have some repercussions. I just hope the world is ready to face it. Once it happens, makoto/minato's revival will ring the bells of judgement. If they survive, we will get a happy ending for makoto/minato and the others
Imagine if in persona 6 Elizabeth recruits joker and Yu to try and attempt a miracle and save him
I'm hoping for a spin-off called
Persona:Velvet
Plot: elizabeth journeys time and space to bring back minato and finally reunite with him
I was thinking this but I think that margret is trying to save Makoto/Minato’s soul from the seal rather than reviving him.
Many people in this comment section has been asking this as a sequel! I really wish it comes true
A Spin-off of Spin-off
NICE
@@permadibakhtiar698 LOL Persona itself is a spin off, and it's still more popular than the main franchise what-
I do hope they'll bring Elizabeth's journey into P6, I doubt we'll get to play as her, however I'd enjoy to see how this fool is connecting to those around her after so much time has come to pass
I'm pretty sure he'll return in a future game.
To think Philemon cares to assist on her wish.
Speaking of Philemon... wouldn't that mean he won the bed with that creature since Minato is preventing the world from ever being destroyed
I wish they would make a persona game where elizabeth is the protagonist and her journey as the plot. She gained the fool's arcana anyways so maybe it's her time to be the wild card.
Just finished P4G and saw Margarette dialogue about Elizabeth, so that means in future persona that might be sequel for P3 story Elizabeth might become the enemy? She wants to release the mc on seal that means releasing Nyx and we all know it's the end of the world if Nyx got released.
Yes it is. It's bound to happen anyways. Just hope that they will survive it and live another day
I hope they show these scenes in some way in the upcoming DLC since this game isnt super accessible. Maybe Aigis passes the fool onto Elizabeth at the end so she can go on her journey. Its super unlikely, i know. But if they do add it in, it could soft confirm that they're working on a spin off
So this explains why she left....fate has granted her freedom and choices she can choose
I wouldn't be surprised if he returned as a persona in the future...
I don't even think it's possible but hey who knows.
It's better than being a door
Im praying this is the continuation of p3reload where the world has been reset as elizabeth succeeded offscreen
WARNING spoilers for P3 P4 and P5 are here f dat o not clock on comment if you haven’t played or watched these games
Honestly after seeing this. I do believe Makoto Yuki can be brought back to life. Because I learned that the humans still desire Nyx, as in Nyx is still wanted among mankind, however if Nyx is no longer wanted as in mankind no longer wishes for death itself then Nyx would seize to exist and he will gain a second chance at life. Because of there’s one connection to the persona final bosses, they all are connected by “Man’s Desire.” As in humans desire for them. Like in P4 the humans wished for Izanami’s fog of lies and deception because they don’t desire the truth. In P5 Yaldaboath or the Holy Grail was wished by the masses for control peace and order after the Phantom Thieves actions and chaos. So in P3 Nyx was created by Man’s desire the desire to die. I’m my belief Nyx I believe can be killed instead of sealed, and if Nyx is killed then the great seal will vanish and give Makoto Yuki a second chance of life.
Erebus is the one who personified our grief to embrace death and he fullfil it by touching Nyx, transmit the grief into her and she respond by giving it their wish, Nyx was never part of human, hell he is not even part of Sea of souls. She is different from other deities like Izanami, Jaldabaoth, Nyarla, and Philemon because she doesn't need humanity to begin with because she is alien from outer space long before human even exist, when she collided with Earth her existence birth humanity.
Every human needs Shadow, that's part of their conciousness, it what makes them have different personalities and sentient, without Shadow human mind will become blank and can't think anymore it explained in Persona 3, when they are trapped in the dark hour you shadow leave your body (Apathy Syndrome, ring a bell?)
Persona 4 even tell us that Shadows and Persona are one and the same, Persona cannot exist without their Shadow.
The point is, you can't get rid of Nyx the mother of all Shadows, but you can probably get rid the real problem Erebus himself. Without him Nyx won't act.
Reza Raygha interesting so Nyx is that strong? I believe that someone with No Omnipotentence over the Multiverse May destroy Nyx. Because I could imagine the good things when Nyx is killed.
@@briayantheomnipotentone3047 i writes that assuming if you killed Nyx, so is all shadows, if that happen humanity also extinct, i can't see why it's a good thing.
This might be the reason why Minato never even tried to kill Nyx and instead became a door.
Reza Raygha really? Nyx the creator of the shadows? Does that mean Nyx created the personas?
@@briayantheomnipotentone3047 yes and no, Nyx indeed the creator of Shadows and these creature resides within our conciousness and thanks to that we're creature with complex personality Shadow even represent our true personality deep inside as shown in persona 4.
Persona on the other hand comes from Philemon, He is representative of Collective Unconscious good side and he tried to help humanity by developing Persona so he can combat representative of Evil Nyarlathotep who can control Shadows.
But Persona is basically reverse shadow and vice versa according to persona 4 so both of them using Nyx creation here.
Oh just in case if you didn't know what is "Collective Unconscious" it's defense mechanism created by our planet Earth to gain equal standing with Nyx. This is what give birth to "Parallel Dimensions" which later become TV World, Sea of Souls, Abyss of Time, and Metaverse. Gods like Izanami to Jaldabaoth comes from here and this Collective Unconscious are affected by Man's desire.
I like to imagine that someday Elizabeth will free Makoto from this... horrible situation. but what would happen? His body is dead.. for sure.. soooo.. i think that he would be able to reincarnate? (as everything that lives) or.. OR! he comes back as a member of the velvet room?! like Elizabeth, Theodore, Margaret and Lavenza! that would be awesome! i mean.. i dont know 100% what the residents of the velvet room are... maybe they are past "Wild Cards"? (lemme dream okay? xD)
Probably it would just free his soul to go on to the afterlife (is there one in the smt-verse?)
@@miguelangeloeiramartins6241 i think so.. i mean.. when fighting Nyx you hear the voice of Shinjiro right? so.. i think that is quite possible
@@miguelangeloeiramartins6241 Sea of souls already stated to be where we end up when we die, even gods
I thought the residents of the velvet room are angels lol
@@shadowthehedgehog2351 nah that's just fan theory created by the fact they are "the one who govern power" it was never confirmed but everyone just go along with it.
"my master has a large nose"
He soon was awoken two years after Persona 4 Arena Ultimax story(2012). He was able to be alive again because he was somehow saved by Elizabeth. Elizabeth used the power she has to separate the life of Makoto Yuki by half. Half of Makoto's life is used at the great seal and the other half is being transfered to Makoto's real body. Due to this event, Makoto couldn't be called that he's totally alive, he's half-dead/half-alive. Aside of being half-alive, he's also ageless means whenever he's having a birthday, he'll always be 21 years old. By the time he was resurrected/awaken, his body was in Tatsumi Memorial Hospital, under the care of Kirijo Group in the hand of his old comrade, Mitsuru Kirijo.
Apparently, him being half-alive gives him several disadvantages. First, he didn't have physical condition as good as he used to be. Second, due to his 'bad' physical condition, he tried to maintain his stamina as long as he could especially about summoning his persona. The power of the wild card has not gone yet, but since changing many personas will only make his power drains faster, he mainly uses 3 Personas; Thanatos, Messiah, and Orpheus Telos.
Since he wanted to repay Elizabeth's deed, he watched over the world, trying to keep away mankind's wishes of calling forth Erebus as the payment.
Being not fully guards the seal makes another disadvantage for Makoto. Sometimes, the Dark Hour will come unexpectedly in random times because of the leaking from the seal. Although the tartarus is no longer there, the shadows will sometimes be seen roaming on the road and needs to be exterminated. The signal of the coming of the Dark Hour will be shown by Makoto himself such as, uncontrollable heartbeat and anything that will make Makoto's body weakened.
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A question : what if Elizabeth fully defeat erbus ? Will makoto still will be in great seal ?
its funny though from the many connections makoto had in the game .... the only one concerned about finding a way to free him is elizabeth ... who saves the savior
I still think this abandoned plotline is the biggest loss the persona franchise has taken.
Im 100% sure the fans would LOVE to play as Elizabeth. Not to mention finally saving the MC.
I cannot imagine why they havent payed this off yet.
Yes its weird. Oh well maybe in p6
Door-kun: take your time…… I’ll be hanging around…….. god dammit
My mans gonna come back like Jesus no problem (at least I’m hoping)
She's just trying to free the protagonist soul so he can properly rest right?.
Yes not revive that would be in vain and ruin the message of p3 theme Elizabeth being selfless and she loves him to do that for him.
Yes she just wants to save his soul to free him from the burden, and probably kill Nyx herself
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 Elizabeth will never defeat Nyx nor Velvet Members
@@unlucky8888 but she did say she could try right? To free MC's soul from Nyx's grasp. Maybe not necessarily kill him but..
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 If u implying to when she said "Though I cannot defeat that monster down, I may gain the power to truly erase it..." It's Erebus that she trying to erase not nyx, because nyx is much stronger than Velvet Room and even the Owner of Velvet Room.
Like a butterfly fluttering its wings.. and the fool arcana.. made me think of the end game fusion loli girl from persona 5 royal.
if only they could link the lore to Elizabeth finding joker and the gang or Elizabeth being the new fool arcana holder or her granting the card to her "champion" for persona 6.
I like how P3,the answer,P4 and Arena are canon in the same universe,in persona 5 arena i wanna see a continuation and P3MC,which Elizabeth finally could bring back
Love that Elizabeth got THE FOOL arcana.... hope in P6 we'll play as her
The only way I can see him coming back after being revived is as a Velvet Room Attendant.
She sings this song in reload. Yet in portable it's different. Might be just translation differences.
I hope he comes back
Wouldn't it be the perfect time for atlus to make a sequel to persona3? Seems like the game isn't done yet. They still have some things to do. Aigis and Elizabeth both got the fool arcana. Yukari is the only one that hasn't gotten it yet
Wouldn't it be cool if all the Wild Cards band together to be the Great Seal instead of P3 MC solo
i hope atlus make a spin off persona series like "persona : the great seal" where Joker and the Phantom Thieves start their mission to defeat Nyx and set Makoto souls free.
Why Joker? because Joker's not achieved the world arcana yet, and we can finally see Joker's world arcana at the end of the series when He defeated Nyx.
That'd be awesome, please ATLUS ❤❤❤
The real reason Makoto sacrificed himself is so he could stop hearing that damned velvet room song, otherwise Igor would've done it himself.
It´s Time to RELOAD, Elizabeth!
The Persona 3 mc is basically Jesus Christ. In the Bible Jesus sacrificed himself to save humanity, and later on he came back to life. The Persona 3 mc sacrificed himself to save humanity, so he could come back to life too. I hope so because I want my Persona 3 mc and Yukari ship to come true.
I think he will really come back, tho not that easy but it's gonna happen
I think if they ever bring him "back to life", they will free him, but his soul will finally rest.
Imagine if they make a perdona game where they save makoto at the end
That will be the last persona game in the franchise if that happens, and I'm all for it
Can she Really Save him there's some of us, don't think so and hope that she can, what do you think
I have a crazy theory that might proof that Elizabeth already succeed at release P3MC's soul and that is Morgana. Remember what Morgana look like? A black cat with bright blue eyes wearing yellow scarf and keep saying that he is a human. And who is a boy with black hair bright blue eyes and wearing yellow scarf? Ryoji and Ryoji is Thanatos. In P4A Elizabeth take Thanatos with her to stop Erabus from reaching to Nyx. If my theory correct this is what happen. After somehow Elizabeth success to find a power equally to the great seal and replace it then set P3MC's soul free she left Thanatos at the Velvet room nand never came back. Then Yaldabaoth imprisoning Igor and cut Lavenza in half before that happen she used Thanatos to created Morgana then sent off to find a Wildcard to save her master.
Persona 6 would actually be the perfect game to bring Elizabeth's journey into life, and see our boy Makoto alive once more. He deserves a happy ending after all he went through. In a way, it would be cool if the cast had it's own original members, but also had members from the previous 3, 4 and 5 games. Imagine Joker and Yu helping Elizabeth bringing our boy Messiah back. The last battle, Elizabeth, Ren, Yu and Makoto together in a fight against Nyx. The 4 Fools against the voices of Humanity.
I'm not sure if they would dedicate her subplot to a new Persona game, though, since usually every Persona story is meant to stand alone. Also, it just doesn't make sense for her to be the MC; she was already strong from the start, lol, unless they create a story where her power resets to 0 again or she loses her memories. But pretty sure this won't be the last time we hear her story.
I hope we see a conclusion to this story at some point.
The Mimeat/Meatkoto must have been heavenly
Imagine scenario: Elizabeth asking The Phantom Thieves to change people's minds for stop humanity from wish of death,then The Great Seal is no longer ne needed(Sorry for English lvl).
I wonder if makoto could deus ex machina himself a body using the universe arcana
well his universe arcana can deus ex machina anything basiclly
Man a p3 sequel where elizabeth is atleast the second main char would be nice
3rd if we include aigis. Since aigis was the sequel MC in The Answer.
A P3 sequel where yukari is the protagonist, and aigis and Elizabeth as the second and third main characters. That would be amazing ngl. All three of them having a strong bond with makoto/minato which resulted on their goal to try and save makoto
I Hope Elizabeth's Journey Is In Person 6 (25th Anniversary)
That would be awesome if Elizabeth ends up being the protagonist of Persona 6
Now that Persona 3 Reload is out a new theory is that Makoto having the Universe Arcana managed to free himself and rewrite his own story, and that's why he was so exhausted at the end of Reload and why the SEES were disconnected from him and Aegis because the power of the bonds wasn't being drained anymore
What if in persona 6 your trying to save Makoto Yuki along side Aigas and before you enter the final boss room you hear in the background “velvet oh velvet, Makoto I have found you”
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"Your dialogue can't stop me because I can't read."
That feel when you realize both Elizabeth and Queen Elizabeth II
1. Have white hair
2. Have a younger sister named Margaret
3. Are immortal beings outside of time
The edit was formatting to get the read more positioned properly
Margaret is the oldest, just change it to sister in general
So about queen Elizabeth....
Boy oh boy did that part about Queen Elizabeth age badly last September and on my birthday at that lol.
Yeah someone found Queen Elizabeth’s horcrux…she’s a bit dead now
I hope they continue Elizabeth's journey through main games or at least spin offs
I think this all is going to be like a marvel endgame thing where, at the end, all persona game party’s come together to fix this once and for all. And in the end save him.
And Atlus still hasn't done anything with this storyline.
they still milking Persona 5. Hopefully all that money they got will make Persona 6 or this continuity great
Im crying right now
Given that this is the same Persona universe that turned a robot into a human (Aegis) and gave a shadow its own physical body (Teddy), it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the protagonist returning WITH a body. But as much as it's possible to bring him back and I want Elizabeth to succeed, in the overall Shin Megami/Persona universe, it makes sense this particular protagonist would join the ranks of guardians/protectors/unworldly beings instead - becoming similar to the guardians we recruit/fuse (guardians like Masakado). So in this sense, it's pretty bad-ass Makoto ended up the way he did. He could've walked the life of a mortal human like the latter Persona protagonists. Instead, this BAMF ascended beyond the realm of the living (much like Demi-fiend in Nocturne, according to canon) and was given cosmic power to balance the likes of Nyxx herself.
Maybe he bcomes velvet room attendant
persona 6 gonna be her saving him and will play as her that would be amazing
people say the message would be ruined but no f that i want yukari to be happy to see him back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In atlus's new game metaphor they gonna open door-kun to break into the other world
Elizabeth's social link was climaxed and now she can't get enough.