Joni Mitchell Finally Breaks Silence On Bob Dylan..

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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @marissadower-morgan3313
    @marissadower-morgan3313 7 дней назад +14

    All artists for the most part , stand on the shoulders of their Predecessors

  • @richmberman
    @richmberman 8 дней назад +34

    Oh Joni. You know better than that. Was Woody authentic? How about Joan Baez? What exactly is authentic?

    • @fredlyr1
      @fredlyr1 День назад +2

      Dylan is brilliant but he was also an unscrupulous thief. He ripped off Dave Van Ronk and others.

    • @rogerdodger6025
      @rogerdodger6025 21 час назад

      I heard Dylan used ghostwriters.

  • @marvinhancock6433
    @marvinhancock6433 8 дней назад +26

    Said the joker to the thief

    • @jj49er
      @jj49er 8 дней назад +2

      There must be some kind of way out of here.

    • @lebe220
      @lebe220 8 дней назад +1

      The wheel´s still in spin....CIA

    • @AF-du5vq
      @AF-du5vq 8 дней назад +1

      I can't get no relief

    • @eileenratkiewicz7597
      @eileenratkiewicz7597 2 дня назад +2

      and the wind began to howl…

  • @jonathanwidger3323
    @jonathanwidger3323 8 дней назад +8

    Proof that the complaints of plagiarism are myopic is that the sources from which Dylan borrows cannot replace Dylan’s use of them. Dylan’s sources minus Dylan would be an artistic loss because, like a Jewish midrash, he puts them in a different light and gives them novel contexts and meanings. And the idea that he should credit his sources in the songwriting tradition like he was writing an academic paper is trivial quibbling.

  • @jolenedelilys2589
    @jolenedelilys2589 7 дней назад +26

    This is nonsense! As much as I love Joni, Dylan was a genius wordsmith. Come on! Even if it was a puzzle, he put it together magnificently.

    • @nightbloomer4739
      @nightbloomer4739 6 дней назад +1

      Thank you jolenedelillys, It is malicious! I loved Joni, as well, but I sense some bitterness here, in these woke times. The ones who rejected Dylan’s music then are ones in charge now

    • @jolenedelilys2589
      @jolenedelilys2589 6 дней назад +2

      @@nightbloomer4739 I think this video is simply over execrating all that Joni once said.

    • @BrotherBrio
      @BrotherBrio 3 дня назад +1

      I just listened to 'No More Auction Block For Me' - I hear a clear resemblence to the melody in 'Blowin in the Wind' in the first part of every line of the verse, for example "How many roads must a man walk down" varies in 2 (or 3) notes from the melody of "No more auction block for me". Odetta was active in the early 50s, she appeared on stages with Pete Seeger, who Dylan was trying follow in the footsteps of.
      But I didn't find the second half of the "Blowing in the Wind" verse melody "Before you call him a man" anywhere in Odetta's recording. Maybe that too can be found in a traditional gospel or blues song. Or in a piano part in a piece of music by Bach. OTOH, the verse "how many seas must the white dove sail, before she sleeps in the sand.", is an image from the Torah where Noah release a dove while the Ark is floating after the flood. So has he drawn from all these influences and put together something new? Or is it stealing? Somewhere I read an interview with Bob Dylan in the 80s or 90s where he said something like "when i sing 'Blowin' in the Wind' now I don't even fell like it's my song, it's like I'm singing some old folk song. Like it doesn't even belong to me."
      [Update]
      Bobl Dylan's version of "No More Auction Block For Me"
      ruclips.net/video/5_KHDWpnDjg/видео.htmlsi=bAFP7Q1qoRKv3q-Q

    • @fredlyr1
      @fredlyr1 День назад +1

      Someone can be both brilliant and a thief. Dylan has done some unsavoury stuff.

    • @99tonnes
      @99tonnes 7 часов назад

      Less of the "was" please! He's still with us, and he's even written some halfway decent new lyrics in the last few years.

  • @johnkaufman5474
    @johnkaufman5474 7 дней назад +16

    The folk tradition, from Jimmy Rogers and The Carters up 'till now, is a tradition of sharing. Performers have long built upon each other's work. Dylan has always been "an originator" in terms of attitude, performance style and yes, writing. Mitchell ought to realize there's room for everybody. It's not a competition. She's a brilliant artist in her own right. And so's Bob Dylan.

  • @michaelbeckwith6177
    @michaelbeckwith6177 8 дней назад +19

    Joni is not in Bob Dylan's league ok she wrote a FEW good tunes Bob has literally penned HUNDREDS enough said and Joni is obviously very JEALOUS!! Paul McCartney said when writing songs you start with a popular tune and make it a completely new tune by experimenting with subtle changes!!

  • @ambientearth1758
    @ambientearth1758 7 дней назад +5

    i hear her. but artist have always did done this. you can't deny his longevity. bob created the weave.

  • @DH-ve5bl
    @DH-ve5bl 8 дней назад +7

    I’ve often thought that Don McLean referred to Dylan as “the jester”in “American Pie” because of the irony. Dylan was socially conscious and very serious, especially in the 1960’s.

    • @willaimoconnell9430
      @willaimoconnell9430 8 дней назад +1

      Try Dylan himself. He refers to himself as a jester in several songs. Easy to remember lyrics to Like a Rolling Stone for example

    • @niallswaine2436
      @niallswaine2436 7 дней назад

      I have seen Mclean live and he slags off everyone. With Mitchel and him its pure envy. Dylan is authentic as you can get.

    • @ergbudster3333
      @ergbudster3333 7 дней назад

      @@willaimoconnell9430 Jokerman.

  • @beejayca
    @beejayca 8 дней назад +9

    Pot calling the kettle black.

  • @WillyCLARKE-g8c
    @WillyCLARKE-g8c 8 дней назад +18

    Dylan came from the folk idiom where all songs are considered "public domain" and can therefore be looted needed. But what sets Dylan apart is his sincerity. This is what Columbia Records John Hammond saw in him - a rare sincerity. I think Joni iis bitter because she is no longer the young beautiful "magic Princess she once was. Bob has aged better in my opinion.

    • @rossmunro9946
      @rossmunro9946 8 дней назад +1

      I think you got pieces of the truth - but that is what history is - vision and re-vision - for every story has gaps to fill, some fall out and get filled again. Over and over again, my friend - can't you see, we are in the age of reconstruction.

    • @tjcoop1233
      @tjcoop1233 2 дня назад +1

      this is a pretty shallow view of joni mitchell imo. “a young beautiful magic princess”. Kind of ignores the gravity of the body of her work, which was and continues to be revolutionary.

  • @jamesswensen6887
    @jamesswensen6887 7 дней назад +10

    I think she is petty. Sure Dylan borrows from everything. All his peers respect him, and they know his weaknesses as well as his strengths.

  • @whowahska
    @whowahska 8 дней назад +11

    Maybe people shouldn't have reverance for anyone. I love Bob Dylan's music, but I don't worship him. I tried Joni Mitchell, but she wasn't a good fit. It's like trying on shoes. All subjective. Why trash one artist against another? Nonsense.

  • @maggiebryan2355
    @maggiebryan2355 7 дней назад +5

    Just another dylan hater love bob❤

  • @tomfitzpatrick6756
    @tomfitzpatrick6756 8 дней назад +8

    IF TRUE SO WHAT WE ALL BARROW PHRASES WORDS AND CHRORD PROGRESIONS IT JUST HAPPENS IN SHORT HE WAS GOOD

  • @rabukan5842
    @rabukan5842 5 дней назад +1

    Love Joni, love Bob, grew up listening to both, and playing their songs in my own bands and ensembles. I’ve borrowed ideas from both of them. All artists borrow, although I will say, Joni did forge her own way through alternate tunings while Bob tended to stick to standard chords. But both are major poets in their own rights, and I think Joni deserved the Nobel Prize as much as Bob did.

  • @paulkweiner6577
    @paulkweiner6577 7 дней назад +1

    Interesting, informative and entertaining !!! Excellent plus job !

  • @rossmunro9946
    @rossmunro9946 8 дней назад +4

    He tapped into the stream of all consciousness - that river where everything floats by. Is it plagiarism to pull in bits of words, music and style that were once hooked by others and shaped to fit their times - or is it all catch and release if one can name that tune in one note?

  • @lavidadida
    @lavidadida День назад

    Bob has never claimed to be more than a song and a dance man. He means different things to everybody. Joni Mitchell's comments about Bob was done sometimes in the Middle Ages. Can we forget about it already?

  • @corsoconner
    @corsoconner 8 дней назад +3

    Appropriation is a subjective term without being qualified with facts. I would venture to guess that artists take influence and inspiration from wherever they can and evolve in their own uniqueness. There could be some serious controversy here but I say Dylan was a zeitgeist in the 60's and has far transcended and personified a great genius and artistry that runs on the high watermark of the human condition. Many of his songs are masterpieces on a level that very few have reached including Joni Mitchell.

  • @donfaruolo1858
    @donfaruolo1858 8 дней назад +7

    Joni is jealous. In her latter work there is barely a melody to be found.

  • @Piggy-Oink-Oink
    @Piggy-Oink-Oink 6 дней назад +1

    Dylan';s "Beyond The Horizen" is the exact melody as "Red Sails in the Sunset" note for note..but I still like it because Bob knows what works and what doesn't after all the years.

  • @hornerinf
    @hornerinf 7 дней назад +2

    Joni is a genius in her own right, but why does she have to go after anyone else? Nobody stakes their life on musical artists. If they do, they are not very smart. I am more of a fan of Joni than Bob Dylan but I think her ego sometimes gets the best of her. She is old now. Why not just celebrate her own contribution?

  • @bernadettemalec9472
    @bernadettemalec9472 7 дней назад +1

    He was speaking about what influenced him 💜

  • @frankperry1111
    @frankperry1111 8 дней назад +11

    This is gossip fodder. Let the people speak for themselves. Joni put her comments in perspective a few years back. She calls him a great artist. We all have influences. Joni even toured with Bob Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue. Everyone knows Woody was Dylan's Idol. He was doing that style until he developed his own. Your video is gossip baloney.

  • @taprobinson9595
    @taprobinson9595 8 дней назад +7

    Rambling irrelevant pointless all folk music is handed down and Melodys adapted to new lyrics check out woody Guthrie as an example Dylan brought intelligence relevance and meaning to folk and popular music on an international level you don’t get a Nobel prize for stealing this is what sour grapes sound like

  • @pbasswil
    @pbasswil 7 дней назад +1

    Judgments about artists - assessments and ratings - have nothing to do with the personal _impact_ of art. If someone's music touches you or takes you somewhere special, what do you care about how someone rates them or criticizes them? I'm glad both Joni and Dylan exist, I've resonated deeply with their respective creations - different as they are. Let Joni's left brain appraise & pronounce, it doesn't effect my appreciation of both their right brain outputs.

  • @nikolic-sq5rx
    @nikolic-sq5rx 8 дней назад +2

    There's no mystique about Dylan, he's a very prosaic person, but that doesn't mean he's not a great artist

  • @mikemetague7973
    @mikemetague7973 8 дней назад +2

    It's all subjective. How do YOU define: the song?...the popular song?...music?...commercial appeal? authenticity?...art?...appropriation? -- and so on...

  • @AlanSenzaki
    @AlanSenzaki 4 дня назад +1

    Dylan was an innovator🎸😛

  • @jonathanlymposs7654
    @jonathanlymposs7654 6 дней назад +2

    Just can’t believe how ridiculous this post is . Nothing
    Anyone who has followed Dylan ..Excepts he borrowed from
    Woody Guthrie onwards … listen to Pete Seeger on all music ?

  • @larryzink8978
    @larryzink8978 7 дней назад +2

    dylan is a showman in show business, a creative fabricator of dreams visions a magpie. jonie is a diaryist a much more narrow frame of reference she is neither epic nor symbolist, she spins in, bob spins out. history will out.

  • @thomasgajackson
    @thomasgajackson 6 часов назад

    Its probably more true than not that Dylan to inspire himself looked outside himself and not inside himself.

  • @elston3153
    @elston3153 День назад

    Rappers sample on every song, this has been happening for years, singers have been borrowing melodies for 100s of years
    Dylan is the most important artist on the planet, just look how he shaped popular culture music for 7 decades

  • @Piggy-Oink-Oink
    @Piggy-Oink-Oink 6 дней назад +1

    She's angry at him because she thought he snubbed her after a concert at Mad Square Garden in 1999. I saw her walk to the side of the stage at the end of his show-and hand a note to a tech- Dylan immediately (as he always does) leave-not looking at her. She thought he snubbed her. You gotta get right in front of him=-side acts don';t get his attention . Sorry Joni..How Does It Feel...lol.

  • @PreacherAtArrakeen
    @PreacherAtArrakeen 14 часов назад

    Ha ha ha! I saw Joni backing up Dylan on tour in 1998 or 1999.

  • @timetraveler759
    @timetraveler759 7 дней назад

    I have great respect for both these fine artists. I think Joni is overlooking a creative phenomenon that original artists share; namely, the 'inspirational ether'. There are melodies and poetry swirling around in that mysterious psych-soup. We are no the only ones plugged into it. Sometimes, unintentionally, the same or similar ideas/melodies/lyrics are picked up by more than one set of antenna. Being as prolific as Dylan was/is, its not unreasonable to assume that now and then, he was pulling stuff out of that soup, that was also occurring to someone else.

  • @kollelerevwien
    @kollelerevwien 6 дней назад +1

    His words speak for themselves. This video is ridiculous. He creates an image. So what? "Aw, sour grapes because you lost your heart", Joni

  • @homelessballoon
    @homelessballoon 2 дня назад

    Oh, our human strong need to paint everything and everybody in either black or white! Isn't there a description between prophet and plaganist? Dylan never claimed that he wasn't influenced by other artists, and he never said he is a prophet. A few times, he said that he was a poet. Most of the time, he said "I'm a sing and dance man". We can pull apart anybody if we want to find mistakes. Even Joni Mitchell (who's music and poetry I also love!)).

  • @golds04
    @golds04 6 дней назад +1

    Joni- you stole colors red, orange green etc - didnt you??? People say beware…He has done more for civil rights than you can ever dream of. Ask Mingus. Bitterness wears a weary face.

  • @8iorekx
    @8iorekx 8 дней назад +5

    Garbage

  • @kenjohan
    @kenjohan 2 дня назад

    As a Nobel price winner, he was supposed to come to Stockholm and pick up the price from the hand of the king and also make a speech. He did neither. Much later he sent a written speech which was found to be full of plagiarisms.

  • @Thin_Mercury
    @Thin_Mercury 7 дней назад

    Joni wishes she could write a song as good as Dylan.

  • @darbabylovesprince
    @darbabylovesprince 8 дней назад +7

    I think she was jealous of Leonard Cohen too!

    • @LindaHuff-n9x
      @LindaHuff-n9x 8 дней назад +4

      Joni Mitchell had NOTHING to be jealous about. One of the greatest songwriters of all time and without the arrogance that Dylan always showed.

    • @AndrewHindley
      @AndrewHindley 8 дней назад +1

      She jealous of Cohen and dylan..very bitter

    • @LindaHuff-n9x
      @LindaHuff-n9x 7 дней назад +1

      @@AndrewHindley Anyone who wrote the album "Blue" has no reason to be jealous of anyone. An album every one should hear at least once.

    • @99tonnes
      @99tonnes 7 часов назад

      @@LindaHuff-n9x Absolutely true - she has no reason to be jealous. But (apparently) she is. I prefer Ladies of the Canyon, but I know it's not as highly rated. Also Hissing is great.

  • @ShiddyFinkelstein
    @ShiddyFinkelstein 4 дня назад

    I always suspected Dylan of being a conman. A clever one but still a conman.

  • @johnbyrnes7912
    @johnbyrnes7912 7 дней назад +1

    That's a rather feminine face at the start - I think it's Kate Blanchette in her role as Mr Zimmerman !? 😹

  • @crawdad_smoker001
    @crawdad_smoker001 2 дня назад

    I'm sorry. This material was covered in the wonderful movie, Begin Again. Dylan is only mentioned once, but Mark Ruffelo's drunk A&R Man said the very same thing about him. Dylan? Original? He's an extremely talented Musician, Poet, Songwriter and World Class Entertainer. He doesn't have to be Original....it's beside the point. Dylan has paid his dues. And he's a lot more honest than you're going to get from a lot of Artists today.

  • @rossmunro9946
    @rossmunro9946 8 дней назад

    We live in times of everyone being guilty by degree - so many things we may have seen pieces of -
    so many completions when nobody was lookin' -and yesterday is always a hard act to follow because tomorrow is so far away. We are all Bob Dylan - but only one claims to be.

  • @stuartwiner7920
    @stuartwiner7920 День назад

    So if his persona was an act, that doesn't make the music itself less authentic. Nobody hated David Bowie for becoming Ziggy Stardust.
    Joni wrote a song about Bob, where she was peeved that Bob wasn't talking to her much while they were on tour. Bob frequently did not chat much with his opening acts. He was eccentric that way. Get over it.

  • @sandrakenney567
    @sandrakenney567 5 дней назад

    I dont think he coppied the song he wrote ( BLOWING IN THE WIND )WHICH WAS SANG BY MILLIONS OF MUSICIANS.

  • @jimbo33
    @jimbo33 7 дней назад +3

    Horrible hit job that detracts more from the author than the subject.

  • @abebrock5559
    @abebrock5559 4 дня назад

    The story here is the lack of context for Joni and a ventursome story telling by-line. Dylan has great and tremendous strengths and some big liabilities. Dylan like Mitchell can get over hyped in a nano-second. Me thinks, they both had tremendous contributions to folk/rock music. Glad they both came into my sphere.

  • @waynephillips1895
    @waynephillips1895 День назад

    Sorry Joni your not in our right mind.

  • @johngomez7314
    @johngomez7314 8 дней назад +6

    She's so full of crap! She doesn't like Coltrane. A legendary jazz man

  • @pedrorocha9722
    @pedrorocha9722 2 дня назад +1

    Where did sho said that? Can we see? Otherwise, it's just blablablabla......

  • @jonathanlymposs7654
    @jonathanlymposs7654 6 дней назад +1

    All music is borrowed from the past including Joni … I loved
    Her music .. but seems she is just bitter … Sad

  • @maclewman441
    @maclewman441 5 дней назад

    No matter how he put things together it was genius. Joni has always had an edge with Dylan because he got the bigger spotlight. Her arrangements were good and even great but not genius.

    • @99tonnes
      @99tonnes 7 часов назад

      How do you work your ranking scale? I find these arbitrary-seeming judgements intriguing. Is there some kind of instruction book I could get?

  • @rogerdodger6025
    @rogerdodger6025 21 час назад

    Same with Led Zeppelin, so many of their early songs are dead rip-offs of other songs. They did present them in an original way though.

  • @chrisnolan5607
    @chrisnolan5607 7 дней назад +1

    Dylan was replaced in 1968 as Paul McCartney was in 1967.

  • @johnpanick6080
    @johnpanick6080 2 дня назад

    Joni was fantastic! Of course her career was less dimensional than Bob's.
    Did Bob snub her along the way? Perhaps but who knows the source for her bitterness?
    Joni was all over the RTR tour. Why?
    She was borrowing Bob's energy and fame maybe?
    Joni Mitchell hasn't done herself any favors regarding these lousy accusations. accusations

  • @vir2ul1
    @vir2ul1 2 дня назад

    HIs legacy "stands on shakey ground"? Not even close to the shakey ground of this video which draws but a handful of vague examples from an incredible, unduplicated body of work both lyrically and musically. Nowadays people throw around the notion of appropriation without considering the fact that everything that is created is appropriated from something or someone else. What matters is who is able to create magic with music/art/literature that resonates with millions, moving them to tears, laughter, joy, inspiration, etc. In that context Dylan has few peers.

  • @TulainTruckstopMUSIC
    @TulainTruckstopMUSIC 7 дней назад +1

    😂🤮😂😂😂🤮 what - no law suites?

  • @timber750
    @timber750 7 дней назад

    Different rules apply to chosenites.

  • @stevenlopez7135
    @stevenlopez7135 8 дней назад

    I don't think she is going to buy anything he makes, because I don't like him! ok fine, has he been influenced by others? of course , has she ? Dylan hurt her feelings and she is really mad so she is unloading, many people play and sing better than him true enough, when your one with your music and really loving it, you might not have time for how bitter you are about all the people who were influenced by Chuck Berry

  • @janetdidonato9963
    @janetdidonato9963 3 дня назад

    Joni was a talented groupie who crapped on everybody who gave her a leg up in the industry. She tried to trash Dylan because he wasn't interested in sampling her charms. Her grapes are very sour.

  • @alanminsky7109
    @alanminsky7109 3 дня назад

    This is abject nonsense.
    Thr philosopher Gilles Deleuze said in an interview that he hopes to write philosophy like Dylan composes his words. Then, Deleuza quotes from Dylan's 1963 11 Outlined Epitaphs, the passage that begins "Yes, I am a thief of thoughts / not, I pray, a stealer of souls..."

  • @reachbk101
    @reachbk101 21 час назад

    Guy trying to get cheap shots at a hero

  • @MrGotmymojoworkin
    @MrGotmymojoworkin 2 дня назад

    Folk music (and every work of art) draws from influences. There - no need to watch this video now.

  • @david-y4x5b
    @david-y4x5b 6 дней назад

    The Beatles were pompous fakes of non instrument playing dupes , McCartney said so himself . The Wrecking crew Doc proved the sixties and the seventies music was full of session musicians dominance who encouraged the so called artist/star to go ahead and take the credit. It was just a job that paid the real players and proved an excellent distraction for the working class and along with MTV that ruined real music stifled creativity .

  • @virtuefilms1
    @virtuefilms1 4 дня назад

    Bob Dylan's Stealing of James Damiano's Songs

  • @stevenmcqueen-z6b
    @stevenmcqueen-z6b 11 часов назад

    like the beatles Dylan way overrated people are just gullible

  • @BruceAgte
    @BruceAgte 2 дня назад +1

    Don't waste your time on this piece of crap.

  • @TroubadourAtHeart
    @TroubadourAtHeart 2 дня назад

    Fan Mag Rag Nonsense!

  • @lavidadida
    @lavidadida День назад

    I don't think anybody ever will be able to explain who Bob is and analyze everything about him. This video tells more about how ignorant the creator of this video is. There is absolutely no information here worth knowing. Don't waste your time watching this nonsense lol I really think both Bob and Joni have moved on long long time ago.......lol

  • @NantoWhitwack-ek7sx
    @NantoWhitwack-ek7sx Минуту назад

    Crap.

  • @jackmcnally9237
    @jackmcnally9237 8 дней назад +1

    A Tunc of little importance 😊😊😊!

  • @rongrover3383
    @rongrover3383 День назад

    "Joni could sing "‼️" Dylan couldn't"‼️

  • @michaelhenshaw258
    @michaelhenshaw258 5 дней назад

    Bob sold his Soul

    • @Thin_Mercury
      @Thin_Mercury 5 дней назад +1

      To God? Yeah he did. That's why he made three christian albums