Pope Francis Allowing Same Sex Blessings? | The Catholic Talk Show
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• Did Pope Francis approve same sex blessings?
• Why do Catholics object to same sex blessings?
• What is a Dubia?
• Could this cause a schism?
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As a catholic from Wisconsin: I struggle with same sex attraction but I never act on it because it’s a mortal sin, God called me to live a chaste life. I follow and obey the church and bible’s position on homosexuality.
You are one of the suffering souls that can reach heavenly glory.your angel is very happy for you MARY MOTHER OF GOD IS CARING FOR YOU
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Listen to jay dyer
Was,born baptist, then was catholic for 10 years now orthodox
@@ronaldjackson9521 amen to that. I Ask St Joseph and other Chasity Saints to pray for me everyday on this issue, i also ask my guardian angel to distract me with clean and pure things like Walks outside, work, Video Games and Watching Movies and TV Shows with no Sex and Nudity. im on the 1st month currently.
Disgusting, push me, pull you.
As someone who used to struggle with homosexuality, the reason I became Catholic last spring is because of its clear teachings on the matter! I realized that Jesus and my salvation was way more important than the desires of my flesh. So I picked up my cross and I’m following Jesus! You CANNOT love God and at the same time demand for your sin to be blessed!! Those people who want their homosexual relationships blessed do NOT love God. I know this because I personally lived through it. When you truly love God, you will SACRIFICE your personal desires with joy! And don’t kid yourselves, even if nobody told you that it’s a sin, the Holy Spirit will always reveal that it is!! Gay sex is a grave sin! Period! So to give that up for God is an incredible opportunity to become a Saint! It’s the best gift we can give to Him. So again, we carry our cross and we follow Christ! So yes, like others, I am also a little disappointed that the pope was not very clear on these blessings. He MUST be clear! It seems like the pope is trying to please the world and that is a grave mistake. The Church is not of this world and never will be and therefore has to be clear on things like grave sins! And gay people need to know the reality of what salvation is, what it means and that it’s not a joke!
@@matildafrancis2288 I love God.
Amen to all of this. Perfectly stated. ❤
I couldn't have said it better myself, thank you for putting your story out there. I'm sure it will help many others.
I struggle alot with Catholicism it has its own set of laws not from the Bible. The Church is the bride of Christ. It must be pure not spotted or speckled, there is no compromise with Christ.
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I agree with you 💯. As a Catholic I am really disappointed. You said it well. The church is not for the world! Trying to please the world in this matter will creat frustration and hughe distraction across the globe! Atlest not this season of Christmas!! Goosh😢
Listening to this conversation really illustrates what Fulton Sheen meant by "The Church will be saved by the laity" My heart really goes out to this Priest. I will be dedicating a decade of a Rosary for him and all Priests who are in need of friends like these who can speak the truth without ambiguity, and who can help Priests to have more courage in the face of this great confusion within the Church . These Priests need our prayers!!! Please like if you will be joining me. God Bless.
Fulton Sheen was a bishop when psychologists used ice picks to lobotomize gay men. He had to have known of this and yet he said nothing. I'm glad you find him such a great bishop, but I hope you understand that unlike you, I do know think that giving lobodomies with ice picks to "end" homosexuality in many of the 50 states during his reign as bishop is at all helpful.
I must add that excluding LGBT's from the Catholic Church is NOT saving it. I must disagree with you. Heterosexuals can have their synods in which they invite not ONE LGBT and talk ABOUT them behind their back, but straight people talking evil about LGBT's is not "saving" the church. Two straight man and a priest can discuss until they are blue in the face about how evil homosexuals are is not going to save the church. In fact, it is lack of discussion and only enrages. I'm sorry, but I don't think the church's present hatred and the hatred they have extended to LGBT's for the past two thousand years is going to end well. I think you may be misunderstanding the silence of LGBT's. I don't look forward to what is coming. I"m glad you see it as something positive, but what I hear spoken about Catholics and be coming is not something I look forward to at all. But, alas, talking about people behind their back, attacking them for 2000 years, criticizing them mercilessly is not how you "save" the church. But alas, Mary's immaculate heart will reign in the end. But until that time arrives...well...we'll see.
Well, in the end times, there will be priests people will follow, all the way to hell. They aren’t the faithful priests. The faithful will know who to follow.
We are together my dia
@@user-vd3bf3nd6rHow do you know that he had to have known this? Where's the evidence? You should be very careful not calumniate someone's name or reputation, least not a Venerable in the Church... From your response, I imagine thus, that you're not a professing Catholic... Nonetheless, i pray that God may grant you peace in your heart.
An hour of mental gymnastics. Lord have mercy. I pray these gentlemen receive the grace of courage and call a spade a spade.
I agree with bro in the middle on clarity. People need to understand what’s right and wrong regardless of whether or not it’s tender or understanding.
I think the fact that you can have an over hour long show and still come to opposing interpretations of the problem highlights exactly what the problem is.
Oh my goodness, you've summed it up better than anyone else has
It's our church , not just his church, as you just said . Yes, God has appointed him the head , but it's our church, too . Thank you, Caroline Regina Cywinski. ❤
That's where you are seriously mistaken!!! Because the pope has been declared infallible no one can reprove him and there is no recourse to the bible because "The Church" defines "Traditon" - which the rcc has made the guiding light instead of the bible. Sola scriptura has been discarded in favor of what "The Church" says. "The Church" is the Vatican, and the vatican adheres to what the pope decrees with the blessing of all is leftist appointees. The rcc is going the way of Sodom - there's no stopping it.
As a faithful follower in Christ we entrust the lord to work through the holy farther pope Francis..he has been advised by god to try and heal the church. I stand buy pope Francis.. as a follower it is not hour church to chime in on the gospel or the direction it takes biblically.. we are a human feebleminded, weak and unworthy it’s hour job to obey not take a role in the doctrine of the church.. that is blasphemy and heresy..its not hour church it’s the lord gods house and we sit in it for his love and forgiveness not to mouth hour opinions..!!!!!!
This made so much sense. There are several same sex unions in our family. I totally agree that they need pastoral care and love, just as our family does give them love, counsel and inclusion. The reality as far as doctrine, is that, as much as they want a “marriage” or a blessing, the church cannot do either. It is not because we don’t have empathy, it is because we cannot lead a soul to sin. God bless you! I love the show.
Oh, but it can. Now.
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
And I gotta say...the fact that you guys can devote a whole episode to trying to figure out the Pope's response just shows how dangerous his ambiguity is.
exactly
Amen!
There was nothing ambiguous about Pope Francis' answer. Listen to Fr. Rich. He knew absolutely what the Holy Father was talking about. The "ambiguity" comes from the dishonest commentators who are making the Holy Father's clear statements ambiguous so they can criticize him
Yes Father Rich’s explanations were right on the money and easiest for me to understand 🙏 I love this show I have learned so much I have an incurable spinal cord disease and am trying to clear my soul. When I watched the episode on confession it had me going back 40 years to make sure I didn’t miss any sins I was driving myself crazy! But I’m feeling much more clean finally!🙏
I don’t see it that way I think their explanations explained it quite easier to understand why the Pope said what he did
Our pope needs the be clear, regardless if he's Pastoral or not, it's not wise to slap his hand and move on. More Laity need to speak up.
confusion since day 1. Not a very good communicator or an impostor. You decide.
Ryan S, you put into words so well what many of the faithful laity want to express. There are many wonderful and admirable things about our Holy Father, but unfortunately his legacy has become the pope of confusion.
Thank you all for taking time to discuss this and yes, call us to prayer. 🙏🏽
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
I agree, clarity is so important!! Truly loving someone is telling them the truth, not giving false hope. Scheel is right
Hey Fr. Pagano, fellow Jax resident here. I have struggled with SSA most of my adult life. Ever since joining the Catholic church through RCIA, and cooperating with the Holy Spirit to find reverent, devout (and often traditional) Catholic church communities, I have actually felt differently and have experienced conversion, and have even had relationships with women now. I am inspired by the men I've met at my current parish, many of whom are my age (still fairly young) with 4, 5 or more children already, living faith-centered lives according to the Catholic faith.
What's upsetting me as someone who wants to live a faithful devout life according to the doctrines of our Catholic faith is this confusion coming from Rome. It's too much of a contrast to see the devout Catholic community and what they're about and how they live their lives, and this modernist lukewarm Catholic faith promoted by Rome that often seems to contradict what the church has taught for millennia, and what is clearly written in scripture.
Not every SSA person is going to want to convert. Not every fornicator is going to want to stop. Some men will always lie. Unfortunately there are those who don't want to accept the Church's or Jesus's teachings.
Now I agree there's a way to be pastoral and truly caring while still firmly holding to what is True. This ambiguity is a real problem and if I weren't where I'm at in my progress, it might have even destroyed me if this happened earlier during my faith journey.
How do you answer that? What if I took these signals from Rome to mean I wouldn't be able to live chastely or maybe even have a wife, and I just give up and be a lukewarm non-practicing Catholic? By the Church's own teachings I'd be heaping judgment on myself taking communion in grave sin and I'd be doomed to perdition at death!
This is a life and death matter and the faithful and those who want to adhere to the faith need more pastoral care than what we're getting.
Nailed it.
See my post also an ssa man who remains but has remained celibate and left a relationship. For us pastoral care is vital but no blessing or Communion to those who don’t want to turn away from their relationship and sex in it, this is what many priests believe should show ‘pastoral’ care-it’s a lie
@@Bayouboynkansas prayers for you brother and thanks for sharing. The Church is now pretending people like us don't even exist within it. Those who don't want to be called to holiness are getting attention from the Church, and those who are putting in a lot of work to adhere to the faith and Church teaching, and probably likewise faithfully and frequently receiving the Sacraments and tithing and contributing to the church life in some way, get ignored from Rome and by progressive priests and bishops. It's very backwards. Time to get more vocal about this issue...
Excuse my ignorance, but what is SSA?
@@nancyroland6503
Same sex attraction.
He and Cardinal Fernandez already made it clear that the Church is not changing anything. People can be blessed if they are seeking help from God to live a holy life (bless me, Father, for i have sinned..) but the Church CANNOT bless/approve sin, including same-sex unions.
They would have to be in confession 12 times a day. This sin is an abomination. No. Just no.
Correct
Why can't the pope just say NO. Quit top toeing around it and making his answer so deep and confusing. It's in the Bible. Lack of clarity here is so obvious. Dude in the middle is giving the answers I need. Can't bless gay relationships/marriages but love them. Love all people. Saints or sinners.
Yes language is key
was waiting for your discussion on this topic.thank you @catholictalkshow for doing it in time
I have been waiting to hear exactly what the pope had to say. Your sharing of this in the way you have made much more sense than what the “gossip “ about it has been. The pastoral approach absolutely makes sense to me. Bless the person not the marriage. The kindness and tenderness of the pastoral approach is right.
Thank goodness, a least one Catholic talk show is not afraid to address the issue.
Yes
The podcast "Reason and Theology" reviewed this very issue three weeks ago. VERY interesting.
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God didn't created same sex marriages #Godfirst🙏
How can anyone take seriously a show with a bunch of bobble heads on the table? I'm embarrassed at the Catholic faith at this point. Obsessed with graven idols big and small.
@peekaboots01 statues of people who have perfect Ted themsleves in Christ are not graven idols because we all know they are not God and not worshipped. Maybe your confused? Pagans worship graven images intentionally such as Hinduism. Wake up
I was so touched by Fr. Pagano's ardent expression of his vulnerability when discussing his need for confession and reconciliation that I wept. It's good to be able to identify with his humanity as a priest and see him as a sinful person struggling just like the rest of us. Excellent dialogue, gentlemen.
White people should reject Christianity , get back to Euro-Pagan Gods, Roman/Greek Gods.
Christianity destroyed White populations, 2000 years of endless bloodshed
- Dividing Whites into Jews vs Christians killing each other WW1,WW2, .
- Breaking Whites into multiple groups killing each other
- Church enslaving White Xtians for 1500 years of dark ages
- Church looting White Xtians for 2000 years.
- Church turning Whites into LGBTQIs.
- Endless Church scandals globally.
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
I agree sometimes we forget to love our brothers and sisters and we judge them and show hate because of our differences
I really appreciate this honest podcast !! You are saying what some are thinking and it is towing the rope, bringing confusion at times !
We already have a blessing for people in these relationships. It is called the sacrament of confession. This is true pastoral care!
Truth
Very well said! A blessing of a gay couple is just a way of facilitating their path to eternal suffering away from God.
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This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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Confession and penance!
43:13 Wow, what a condescending thing for these two priests to say. We parishioners absolutely have a right to know what is going on within the Church, and given all that’s gone on in the Church lately, I’d say that oversight by parishioners is needed now more than ever. Sorry to disappoint you but we will be watching this extremely closely.
So much homosexuality abuse of children has been uncovered in the church. I think the devil is in control!!
Now that's a deep-dive discussion. Great job! Thanks a lot guys, especially to Fr. Pagano.
Thank you for this video. You have motivated me to explore the Orthodox Church. Thank you again!
I am a cradle Catholic,
but our Church is truly
divided so badly,almost evil.
I need to pray in peace, worship God
with honesty,love,
kindness. Going to
Mass is no longer
an act of respect...
Disrespect of walking
out of the church when receiving
Holy Communion
and chewing on the
Blessed Host as a
piece of gum.
Yes, I have been to
the Orthodox Church
and my experience
has been wonderful....
I am doing more
spiritual research
in order to understand
what happens after
death....I do not want
to make a mistake.
I can't verify the source, but I think it was Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer who said, "It is not a mercy to confirm someone in sin." This is wisdom. Opening the door to "blessing" same-sex marriage can. not. be. an act of pastoral mercy. (And Scheele is right on target.)
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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and the Pope has not said anyone can bless a same sex marriage...
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
No one is talking about marriage. That has been made clear from the start.
@@kitstr just couples who have sex. Not marriage. You’re correct.
The Pope already said that same sex unions are sin, and he said you cannot bless sin.
Ok but there are pictures and videos out there of German priests with rainbow stoles blessing obviously gay couples on the steps of churches. It's very obvious what they're doing. So if the Holy Father means what he said, he should put an end to that and not have this crazy synod that has everybody confused and alarmed. Actions speak louder than words!
@@JohnSimmonsification can't control a whole synod of bishops if they refuse to fall in line. He could excommunicate them, but that would cause schism and loss of church property.
@@JohnSimmonsification Germans have a church tax so the German church is extremely powerful hence I think the power goes to their head amidst the cultural influence over there. They might feel like they don't need Rome and would stand against the Pope's authority.
I think the reason he was asked the questions in the format that they were asked is simply because he has the pope. Promoted Sister Janine and Father James Martin, who are from new Ways ministries father, James Martin believes that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the question of homosexual, he does not believe it is sin. and he’s not talking about the site or the attraction he is, however, talking about the act of having sex. sister Jeanine Has similar thoughts. I do believe the media might be taking advantage of this however, if the priests are allowed to bless the individuals publicly, I believe that would also cause a scandal, even if it is unintended. pray for the church and pope Francis
You haven't noticed he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? Sometimes in the same paragraph?
Takes courage to say “No”.
Takes courage to defend His holy church, and His Word. Skipping around a question (just to be nice) is not courage.
You cannot have a foot in both doors. Your either with God or not!! The Pope is NOT!!
I went down a path of atheism around the time I was supposed to get my confirmation. That lead me towards the cult of modern day gnosticism...but then a lot of situations happened that started deprogramming me from leftist ideology. I recently had a baby, and in the 10 months she's been alive she's encouraged me to go back to my faith, showed me God is present in my life and our family needs to grow closer to him. My husband and I are very concerned about all of the identity confusion in the world today, and we hope the church can be a place of clarity as we raise our child. The Pope, while I celebrated his progressive views when I was lost, was something that have me concern when we were deciding whether or not to have our baby baptized catholic. I'm glad the priest at our parrish has been speaking out against him during mass, because that really helped us feel more comfortable.
We shouldn’t need talk shows to explain the Pope. No offense to you guys, you rock. The Pope needs to come out and clarify himself so that people stop questioning him and loosing faith because of potential scandal.
This is what I say. Did Saint Pius X need explainers?
No need to explain if there are no people like you who do not misinterpret what Pope Francis actually means despite the Holy Father has already clearly explained himself.
Because there's 99 talk shows & podcats brainwashing what the Pope has said... I don't mind 1 or 2 in opposition explaining the situation.
@@brillanteslaw2921 clearly not if he needs explanation. I haven’t accused the Pope of saying anything misinterpreted. I’m simply observing the reality that he isn’t clear enough or takes some concerning avenues of answering questions.
Be careful throwing out accusations like that. Not everyone thinks he’s an Anti Pope or something ridiculous, it’s ok to criticize yet still believe he’s a legitimate Pope.
Exactly!
the Pope knows that the media and activists have a habit of reinterpreting his words in the most convenient way to their cause. and despite all that, he still kept his answer in a way that can be misinterpreted by them. that will be the biggest hit to his legacy: people twist his words to push changes to Catholic Church.
Yup
If the Pope doesn't hold the line, who will?
@@suzyjago4036amen
he doesn't do much to prevent it
Any media outlet with an agenda will go out of their way to reinterpret people. It doesn't matter how clear they are. I suppose Pope Francis has room to improve, as do we all, but at the end of the day, all the clarity in the world will be wasted if it falls on people who refuse to hear anything other than what they want to hear. People who are determined to find fault with Pope Francis included.
It is clear that Pope Francis renders a blessing to gay unions not as a sacrament of matrimony but a pastoral blessing to mean "may the Spirit have mercy on you", an act of kindness and compassion. Let alone a blatant rejection for these unnatural relationships. Tolerance living with these people while praying for thm. I think the heart of Pope Francis is very compassionate that most of us see skin deep.Your content has changed my perspective of Pope Francis. Thank you for reading us his answer. Brilliant!!!
There has to be ambiguity, otherwise that money goes away and the people and their families and friends with them. I would never say someone should be deprived of pastoral care or reconciliation, but riding both sides of the fence is not loving nor kind.
This is also not a one-off type response. Pope Francis has made many statements throuout his time. Recently his removal of pro-life priest from the preisthood and severely limiting the Latin Mass are other decisions that seem like an attack on many within the faith. These actions seem far from pastoral.
I agree! It seems like Fr Frank Pavone didn’t really get an explanation nor an opportunity to defend himself before the defrocking. Also, the devil hates Latin.
I love my Catholic faith I have been away from it for awhile and with the protestants side fir awhile Iove all my brother's and sisters. but I have been awaken from praying and leading me back to the true faith that was started by Jesus Christ 🙏 and I have learned alot because of the pandemic brought me back to the faith I was baptized in. We live in a very confused dark world and I pray for our brothers and sisters who are homosexual or confused about being male or female ..I love Father Rich and agree that he is helping those he can through pastoral care .to show love and kindness and support and love Pope Francis, it is not easy and the Devil loves to attack us all but we keep on fighting and praying to help all we can. In the end God will prevail just we got to keep praying and helping where we can. Father Chris Alar and the Marian Father's also explain the faith so clearly it has taught me so much. I am a sinner but I am working to being the Saint God calls us to be so we can all be in his kingdom one day for ever.thats really what matters for us all..and I keep praying for all the holy souls in purgatory ❤🙏❤
Fr. alar is the best priest.
The cathlics is not the true faith and watching this tells me they are not the bible is in black and whight so we should not deviate from it God destroyed the people in sodom because of it’s disgusting practice Ed God does not change so no religion should weaken there faith by excepting to water down what bible says
Have u for gotten about aids
My grandson is in a same sex union . I love him and wish him every happiness in this life and hope for his everlasting happiness In Heaven
sure, but look what the "good" book bible says about homosexuals
Are you letting him know his relationship is a sin against God and he will go to hell if he doesn’t change or are you an Ally? Hopefully the former.
@@jamesagnew6512 yeah, ever wondered where that "scary" boogie hell is?
Wonderful conversation thanks for giving us light on the subject 🙏🙏🙏
Hey boys! CONGRATS to you guys for being brave enough to cover this topic. You guys have played a role in my path back to the Eucharist... THANK YOU!!
Is praying the rosary scriptural?
Praying the rosary is promoted within the Catholic Church as a means of strengthening one’s faith, resisting evil, growing spiritually, and generally benefiting society. While some of the prayer of the rosary is scriptural, the whole second half of the “Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21). In this life, no one is yet sanctified from sin in practice (1 John 1:9-2:1). Jesus is called our Savior repeatedly in Scripture because He saved us from our sin. In Luke 1:47, Mary calls God her “Savior.” Savior from what? A sinless person does not need a Savior. Sinners need a Savior. Mary acknowledged that God was her Savior. Therefore, Mary acknowledged that she was a sinner.
Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21). The Roman Catholic Church claims that Mary was saved from sin differently from everyone else-that she was saved from sin through the immaculate conception (her being conceived free of sin). But is this teaching scriptural? The Roman Catholic Church openly admits that this doctrine is not found in Scripture. When a young man addressed Jesus as “good Master” (Matthew 19:16-17), Jesus asked why he called Him “good” since there is none good but one, God. Jesus was trying to make the young man aware that he was using the term good too loosely. In praying the rosary, Catholics use the term holy too loosely. No one, including Mary, is holy but God. This ties in with Romans 3:10-23, Romans 5:12, and countless other passages that stress the fact that in God’s eyes no one measures up. Never is Mary excluded from such all-encompassing statements.
But praying the rosary has an even more basic problem, namely, that much of the prayer is directed to Mary, not to God. We are never told in the Bible whether anyone else in heaven can even hear us. God alone is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present. When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He taught them to address their prayers to God the Father. Every example of prayer in the Bible is addressed to God alone. There is never a single example of someone praying to any “saint” or angel or anyone else (besides prayers to false gods). Further, any time that a pious person prostrates himself (in a religious setting) to honor someone else besides God (chiefly to the apostles or angels), he is told to get up, to stop it (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-16; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church states that it worships God alone but “venerates” Mary and the saints. What is the difference? A person praying the rosary spends more time calling out to Mary than to God. For every one praise of God in the rosary, there are ten praises of Mary!
Praying the rosary also assigns a task to Mary that the Bible never assigns her. Jesus is our Redeemer (Galatians 3:13; 4:4-5; Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Revelation 5:9), our heavenly Advocate (1 John 2:1), and our one and only Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The “Hail, Holy Queen” portion of the rosary prayer calls Mary our “most gracious advocate.” This is a direct contradiction of the clear biblical teaching that only Jesus is our go-between.
Praying the rosary requires Catholics to call upon Mary as the “holy Queen.” The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found, the term is used in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17-19; 44:16-27). The Bible never pictures Mary as a queen; rather, she calls herself “the Lord’s servant” (Luke 1:38). She is never given a crown or authority over heaven and earth. Likewise, is it appropriate, while praying the rosary, to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture (John 1:1-14; Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13).
The practice of saying the rosary runs contrary to Scripture in a number of ways. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. We have one intermediary (Jesus), and it is in His name we pray, not Mary’s.
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@@jonathanharness2962 Holy also means sacred, which means set apart for some divine purpose - which Mary indisputably was.
As Kecharitomene, she has been uniquely created full of divine grace for the purpose of hosting Jesus literally within herself, as a living arc of the New Covenant. Is the original Arc of the Covenant holy or profane?
If that, an inanimate container, is holy, how much more is a person who was made for a sacred responsibility, but also chose out of the free will inanimate objects lack to make a permanent commitment out of it.
Jeremiah refers to Ashera, who is obviously not the rightful queen of anything. Since Jesus is the rightful King of Kings, that makes Mary the rightful queen mother.
Also, Jesus took on the role of the suffering servant. Do you question his kingship? If not, then why question Mary’s position as queen mother? Also, queen mothers of the Davidic line had an active, but subservient role in observing the needs of the kingdom, advising the king, and making sure his will is carried out. Those were all things Mary has done even, for you Sola Scriptura types, in the Bible. And her message consistently remains that we do God’s will.
Speaking of God’s will, if you take any issue with Mary’s title Theotokos, you’re venturing too close to Nestorianism. Jesus, being God the Son and God Incarnate, makes Mary the Mother of God. But Catholics understand she’s not mother of the other two persons of the Trinity.
Also, referring again to the Salve Regina prayer, ever heard of flowery prose? We’re quite known for it. Same with figures of speech that are not meant hyperliterally.
Finally, Catholics do pray directly to God. And we “pray” (archaic for “ask”) that the saints pray for us too. Since they’re living eternally with God, it’s not like we’re engaging in mediumship to summon the dead.
Also, the very word “prayer” and archaic varieties like “prithee” just mean “message,” “request,” or “I ask you.” We do not equate prayer with worship. Prayers we direct to God (which are most of them) certainly must be worshipful. However, prayer is just a part of worship.
Requests that saints pray for us are no more worshipful than you asking someone else to pray for you, regardless of how much flowerier our prose is. Claiming we do indeed worship saints presumes knowledge you can’t possibly have. Not only do you not know what we mean by the word “prayer,” nor do you know how we employ flowery prose and figures of speech, but you cannot know the hearts and minds of Catholics to determine when or to whom actual worship is taking place.
Try attending Mass, which is the greatest of our prayers.
Also, referring to Mary as, “our life, our sweetness and our hope” or “most gracious advocate” does not preclude God from a far greater, more central role in our hearts and minds. “Most gracious” is a superlative, but it doesn’t in this context mean she is supremely gracious. It also doesn’t mean that she is our only advocate or even our primary one. Anyone who says an intercessory prayer for anyone else is advocating for them.
And if I say I have three children who are the apple of my eye, that doesn’t mean my husband is any less than the love of my life.
So we don’t equate prayer, in and of itself, with worship. We don’t equate veneration or honor with worship. And neither should you. Full, authentic worship is so much more. Attend a Mass and you’ll only begin to see God’s central role in our faith as the exclusive recipient of our worship. And Heaven forbid we stop praying for others or asking others to pray for us out of the misguided notion that Jesus, our greatest advocate, is to also be our only intercessor.
Think of this as legal representation. Jesus is not a lone attorney, but chief of counsel, with a legal team of multitudes ready to help on whatever case.
@@valeriefinnigan41 Mary was just a woman. She is not to be prayed to. She is not our advocate, only Jesus Christ is. Show me in the Bible where Scriptures say she is our advocate?
@@valeriefinnigan41 She is not "Queen Mother". Show me in Scriptures where it says that?
I love you guys and LOVE your show! My faith and understanding has grown so much because of this show. THANK YOU!
Gnosticism was taught for decades which teaches that the body and its desires are evil. The teachings of this heresy splits the composition of the cosmos into evil and good matter. By teaching this way the culture was able to demonize the human body and it’s desires and daily actions. By infusing these teachings with Marxism the culture was able to erode and confuse human morality and the proper interpretation of the Faith. With the weaponizing of language through Marxism and atheistic philosophy the errors were sexualized leading people to be open to terrible sin. This confusion also led to the mislabeling of every day actions and work as evil as well as the sexualization of everyday material objects assigning evil meaning where none really exists. This includes the mislabeling of certain foods as evil. All this was presented as Christianity but this is not Catholic nor even Christian at all. It is a deception of the devil to make people accept the spirit of the age which was formed out of this heresy and corruption to hurt the Church and destroy souls.
Really appreciate your discussion on this and hope others that are critical of the Pope hear this episode.
Thank you Ryan. I’m sorry but you are 100% right. The door cannot be opened. It will open that can of worms.
Michael Lofton from "Reason and Theology" just did a show, discussing your video, about if Pope Francis is allowing blessings for gay unions.
It was a charitable take on your show. He did clarify some things.
I find it interesting how we form a relationship with our podcast host.
When I saw that Michael Lofton was going to do a show about "The Catholic Talk Show" ...
I felt my "right hook (ha)" starting to form....but wasn't needed.
Michael Lofton was charitable...
Especially at a time when so many people, in the Church, want to attack our Pope 😪 and I was proud of you guys...
you spoke honestly, and most importantly, you spoke respectfully! 🤗
My gay cousin, whom I love and who is in a same sex relationship, posted something on what the pope said. So, yes, Ryan S. Is right, people can misinterpret something that is not clear.
How did your cousin misinterpret the Pope?
No wonder our Blessed Mother, Mary told us to pray our Rosary Daily. We need to pray to God, the Holy Spirit 🕊️ for these folks who believe in same sex marriages 🙏✝️🛐
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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Can I ask are you living in perpetual chastity? If you are NOT you have absolutely NO right to criticize your cousin or to judge him. In fact, Romans 2.1 is very clear that you are NOT to judge gays.
@@user-vd3bf3nd6r I’m not judging, I’m explaining how Pope Francis can be misinterpreted. I’m also married btw
God Jesus Christ bless you all 🙏 fathers I was shocked as a Catholic when I heard a pastor was talking about Pope Francis that he gave permission to marry same sex.im happy to hear you explaining so well.
I think the answer is clear: it's a no, but pastorally don't shun them away. Sometimes confused people want to be pushed away to sort of clear themselves from the decision. With compassion, love, patience, etc., they may live in a way back to the original teachings.
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Was,born baptist, then was catholic for 10 years now orthodox
Ambiguity is never good, especially when it comes to adherence to our Good Lord. I agree that we should not give false hope 👍
Hello Valerio. I don't call it ambiguity. More than 50% of what comes out of Bergoglio's Mouth, or his Pen, is DOUBLE-TALK. He does his best to try to fool the Laity with this. The Bishops know this also, but, many of them are to cowardly to speak the Truth. Emily And I Have Been Married for 55+ Years, And, I Love Her More Today Than Ever Before.
@@jimempappadakis4294 How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
Patience and kindness should of course prevail. Still, keep in mind that misery loves company, and don’t let others draw you into their sin. Great show - thank you gentlemen.
Pope Francis was finally very clear to the German Bishops, "NO" women priests (I'm a woman and happy about this.), "NO" same sex blessings period!
Yes it took forever and should never have been left unclear. I feel better I was very worried.
I think your discussion made me happy. I appreciate the analysis.
He just met with Whoopie Goldberg and she praised him . When the world loves you something is wrong. You should hear her comments. I think you know what he means but are afraid to say it. It’s clear not vague. Pastoral? If it’s sin it’s sin and they should be told the truth and led to repentance. Their eternal soul is at stake gentlemen.
Thank you for watching everyone!
❤ thank you for talking about this.
Thank you for the great talk.
I'm German and living in a same sex partnership. We try to live according to the teachings of the church. As you know the times being a faithful Catholic in Germany is a hard one, especially concerning the homosexual theme.
As the first headlines appeared that the pope allowed the blessing of same sex partnerships we were concerned and wanted to prove that information in the original text. We both came to the same conclusion as you guys. Both of us are aware of the fact that we live in a irregular relationship. But in love to our God and the church we decided to give our best to live our lives as regular as possible. We know that it's impossible to reach the highest goal of following Christ as it should be, but we do our best on our way to heaven. Besides the catechism already gives us what to follow and suggest also the way of compassion as written by Pope Francis in this actual letter.
Thank you for your sensitive analysis of this case and the careful remembrance of two sides, the people living this burden and the people who have to deal with their siblings in Christ who have not an easy way up front to follow our Lord and Saviour on their way to heaven. I could feel the love for the neighbour, as we are called to, in your answers and am thankful that I can call you brothers in Christ. This hour gave me hope and strength to carry on. Good bless you for your work 🙏🏻
@@Schimmi289It’s not impossible at all. It’s entirely possible to get to the point where you only commit venial sins unintentionally. It requires acceptance of great suffering, but remember the cross comes before the resurrection. God bless you, and I’ll pray for you, and hope you do the same for me!
@@Schimmi289You can’t live according to God’s law while willfully engaging in homosexual acts. Likewise, unmarried heterosexuals cannot live according to God’s law while engaging in sexual acts with the opposite sex without first being married in the eyes of God. Your homosexuality is certainly a heavy cross to bear. There is absolutely no denying that but the cross must not be indulged in. I feel for your situation as you did not choose your sexuality but you must remember that crosses are not usually chosen by the bearer. I will pray for you and your friend.
By the way, I’m a heterosexual male who’s been unsuccessfully engaged twice. The first woman died of drug overdose and the second was an extremely unstable narcissist. I’ve come to the realization that sadly I may never get married and have a family, but if that’s God’s will then it wouldn’t matter at that point if I’m straight or not. My sexuality would be completely irrelevant since I cannot engage in sexual acts outside of marriage. My point is that I choose God over my sexual desires and over my own loneliness through singlehood.
@@GovtWatchdog I thank you for this answer of compassion. As I wrote that we live according to the teachings of the church and the catechism I included that we live in chastity. We both discussed this and came to the conclusion, that we would not have this partnership bless to be a trophy for disobedience of priests and bishops in Germany. But it's encouraging to get a blessing as child of God to get along with this burden. And even if it is a heavy cross to bear I am looking forward to days off joy after leaving this valley of tears. It is definitely not an easy way and good knows I feel the sting in my flesh every day. I don't know why the easy way wasn't for me but I trust in God and his plans for there must be a reason. Thank you for your prayers and your lovely message! I'll include you in my prayers, too.
Thank you this was so nice to hear!! I Love Pope Francis he is very loving Pope!!!
Ethiopian Orthodox Church said “ No!” Because the teachings same then, now and forever.
BECAUSE OF this issue, following with other disagreements throughout the Synod, my husband and I decided to leave the Catholic church and join the Greek Orthodox.
So, wouldn't a yes or no simply stop any questions? Pastoral counseling techniques should not concern laity and he should know that responding to the Dubia. A blessing confers approval of a situation that goes against God's Word. He knows this,clarity is essential, not intentional confusion.
I understood the Pope and found no problem in what he said either. I believe he speaking about being merciful to the sinner by giving a blessing to those who want to amend their lives but not condoning the sin.
If these people are in a homosexual relationship, they are not looking to amend their lives.
Great informative video guys , this cleared a lot of narratives that was in the mainstream media
Yes. Stop playing games . Yes or No. Compassion yes. Marriage -one man and one woman - Only. No Same-Sex Marriages.
I think if you're asked a direct question, don't respond with a squirrely answer. When some asks for the light, don't give them a dim light that will get you lost.
IDC if he didn’t say it verbatim, THIS ENTIRE SYNOD IS ABOUT CONFORMING TO THE WORLD. He’s flirting with the devil. The fact he hasn’t outright said “NO” to gay marriage is a BIG PROBLEM
Clearly, he just said no, it's not hard to understand. What makes it confusing is all the people distorting his words to condemn him. The bible is misinterpreted all the time. It doesn't mean the bible is unclear. It means the devil is trying to distort it.
Bergoglio is creating his own "church" where everyone will be welcome and there will be no dogmas and sin will no longer exist. AKA a One World Religion.
Watching this again, because this was an excellent discussion. One factor to consider that was touched on, but not really explored, is Pope Francis' recent appointments to the cardinalate and the people he's invited (and disinvited) to the Synod. These are the kinds of things that makes me think the Church is headed for schism and that there are people ready to take the ambiguity and run with it in the wrong direction. I think that this context is important, and it is also prey to sound-bite/bumper-sticker journalism and analysis. "Who's Who of the Synod" could lead to a really interesting/insightful discussion. God bless you and your work. And yep...pray for the Pope.
As Catholics, we must respect other people who are different and accept them with warm open-hearted hands, not judging, not excluding, and not killing.
If he does what makes us different from being protestant?
Exactly. May as well accept everything else. Catholics now bless abortion, assisted death...great slippery slope.
The Pope has a responsibility to be clear on this issue. It is not just one among many, it is the issue of our day and with whole cultures being swept up in its demonic deception, the Pope has a duty not to leave room for people to interpret it as permissible in any way.
He's bringing in Chrislam
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Stop reading our Pope with so much suspicion, evil suspicions is a sin that is listed in Sacred Scripture. I was with you, I listened to the wrong people, like lifesite news and Taylor Marshal, and these people are the CNN of Catholic news, they lie and give half truths in order to push there narrative against the Pope.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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This Pope is an abomination
@@mrswilbertWell if that’s true, there will be no question about the acceptance of homosexual unions. Not acceptable in Islam.
@@Cardiopro for 2000 years it wasn't acceptable in Catholicism, either.
This episode did make me happy because it was a way for Catholics to listen to other Catholics have a discussion instead of secular snippets being thrown down our throat. I understood both sides of the argument however this does not change dogma of the church and that’s what we need to all focus on.
With the greatest respect and love to your program, Pope Francis answers essay style questions. How do the expect a yes or no answer. I had and will always have the greatest respect for our church, its tradition and the magisterium, with Christ at the centre. One CANNOT be Catholic if we disobey one of these core pillars. Period. I see so many Catholics openly rebuking the papacy because of rumours and lies being spread. God bless you all!
Thank you Scheele for being the voice of the skeptics. This was a dynamic and genuine conversation between friends.
What am I blessing? Their union let us be honest!
Pope should stop on letter A.
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
ohhh yes..., they are real friends....sweet friends... if you know what I mean :)❤
I’m tired of being told we are not intellectually capable of understanding right from wrong because of someone who is good at debate can use big words to argue anything they decide is acceptable , any one with a good vocabulary can do this . With God anything is possible including knowing right from wrong because it is written on our hearts . If we as Christians have a majority of people that agree someone is doing something wrong it doesn’t mean we are all stupid and just don’t understand the inner workings of the popes thought process it means he is wrong period!
Saying there is not a simple answer to blessing aka green lighting homosexuality is a cop out smh . And to throw everyone in the category of not being loving and kinda to homosexuals is the most ignorant way to avoid just saying you agree with the pope cause he’s the pope . I love everyone for example and know plenty of people who are gay and don’t ever treat them bad because I want them to know as a a Christian I’m called to live my neighbor but love comes in many forms fellas. You now this especially if your a parent , if you see someone doing something wrong or in danger of being hurt or losing their soul you don’t flatter them to hell you warn them of the danger even if the warning is uncomfortable to hear . Same way a father scores a child playing with a electric socket and the child might think he’s mean and doesn’t like to do anything fun the father knows the consequences are great even if the child cannot . So to say we don’t understand that we as Christians don’t fully grasp how to live our neighbors and be respectful to people and allow them to be gay because like y’all mentioned it’s given them false hope which is way worse .
We can’t defend every thing the pope out of pride for the Catholic Church and to save face because there have been several bad popes through history have there not ? Yet God has allowed it to happen .
If we want to understand why there are people that maybe shouldn’t be in the position they are in we have to think of the parable of the weeds and the wheat .
Matthew 13:24-30
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
The Parable of Weeds among the Wheat
24 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. 27 And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ 28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
I think we should follow our Lord's teaching. Repent and believe in the gospel
Unpacking Pope Francis is a full time job!
Ryan S. is absolutely right, and was being charitable in his points. See it is possible to be charitable but talk about the Truth!
90% of the posts below seem to agree and the real true faithful in the Church are really upset about this whole thing and we need strong leadership from our bishops and priests.
Fr. Rich, you are just wrong here. It's possible to be pastoral while maintaining Truth (and not being ambiguous). Obviously in your own example of the trans person, no good priest would slam the door and make the person feel unwelcome. But you cannot say or do anything to "affirm" such a delusion and let a person continue living in sin. Obviously the trans person may have already had an operation so there's no going back, so maybe for this example a gay person would be a better example.
A pastoral response would be for a priest to help the person understand and accept the church teaching (and using discernment for pastoral care, no need to throw the book on first meeting) and guide the person to the right programs out there within the Church that help LGB people live either chastely or try to convert and live happy lives in straight marriage (maybe even with kids). It IS possible! This should be the response of the Church!
For those practicing homosexuals who don't want to give up the sex. Ok fine, they should be welcome at Mass but not to receive communion because according to the Church's own teachings it would do them more harm than good, perhaps dooming them. There is plenty of grace to be had just sitting in the pews and hearing Truth and receiving the blessing everyone receives at the end.
This isn't to single out homosexuals. It's this way with many things/sins. And yes, I once was a practicing homosexual living in terribly grave sin daily. I'm dating women now and I believe God willing I will have a wife and kids, and it will be to glorify God and His Church. What Pope Francis and much of the curia and the general liberal wing of the Church are doing is undermining God's glory to even bring about the transition I've seen in my life. But I was willing to hear, accept and take on the Church's teachings, not everyone is. The Pope cannot forget about those who hold fast to the Church's teachings, but it feels like he has.
I recommend you listen to Michael Lofton in Reason and Theology. It would be helpful to understand how morally reprehensible that the cardinals and bishops diverged a closed and private conversation into the public forum. How dare they cast the first stone against Pope Francis?
I recommend you read scripture. If thy eye offend thee, pluck it out. Pluck this sin from the church or suffer. Its simple. A man shouldn't lay with another man. Its simple.
@@existentialpoet8216 I have watched him before and I just plainly disagree with so much of what he says about the pope and what's going on. He is also a contortionist with his arguments, but he squirms less.
Public or private, these are the discussions happening in the Church now, and in my opinion it would be *worse* if it were 100% private and we were all hit with whatever changes are obviously coming without a chance to really speak up about it.
The Pope just met with Whoopi Goldberg, but has really come down hard on some of our more "hardline" clerics in America. That's everything you need to know. Hindsight won't look good on Bergoglio.
As a parent, it's our job to set the standard for a child. You tell them the rules, very clearly. There's nothing that hurts children more than to have one parent say one thing, the other day another,they don't know if they're going to get in trouble or not, and very unsure and anxious.
Yes the sheep will run off, you love them period, but you let them know where they stand, where Mom and Dad stand. Then they can be happy when they do right and feel bad when they know what's bad.
You love them either way, but Jesus spoke the truth about Go and Sin no More, and about a real Hell.
Give a person high expectations and they typically meet them, be wishy washy, and they'll be confused and unhappy. We are God's children. We need to know where we stand. You think that people will run away from hard truth, but they won't forever. If they choose to go lukewarm, that gets stressful. They get to a point they want God's stability. Give it to them as parents, give it to us as God's children.
These conversations are what everybody already knows, but everybody trying to be politically correct.
Satan's is in our lukewarmness tiptoeing around I'm ok you're ok.
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
We need a follow-up episode after today's announcement.
Great discussion. There was a point at the 38:27 mark where Father says "I don't want to say this is what the pope is saying if he is not saying that...." He confirmed with this statement that the document is confusing and even though he may try and justify that it lines up with the catechism, in reality it opens the door for some folks to implement their own agenda in this area. The question for me is was this done intentionally or not. What would this blessing of same sex couples look like? If it is done publicly, in front of the congregation, it will look like a marriage ceremony and create scandal by making it look like the church condones sodomy. If you bless the relationship privately, do you encourage the couple to be chaste? If folks are uncomfortable with the blessing of same sex couples in the church, will they be labelled as rigid? Why did these cardinals write this dubia? Is it because there is confusion coming out of the synod or is because some in the hierarchy don't believe that sodomy is a sin because they are homosexual and believe that God made them that way? The response creates more questions than it answers. Please pray for the church, live the example of the churches teaching on sexuality, and go to confession often. God Bless.
Definitely not! Pope F shouldn’t even be contemplating this ! Heavenly Father, protect our Catholic faith 🙏🏼🌸✝️
Loved this episode, I mean it didn't bring some kind of clarity to me, still think the Popes response is ambiguous, I can relate though with Scheel's concerns, but thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in my line of thoughts in this teachings. Saludos desde Monterrey Mexico!
So here is my thing.
I went to confession recently and had confessed having had pre martial sex with the woman I was living with and in a relationship with. The priest asked if I was still living with her and I said no we weren’t together anymore. And he said good because he couldn’t absolve me of my sins if I was still living with her in sin.
How can anyone bless a gay couple if they are in fact still going to choose to stay together living in sin!?!?! Makes no sense
The good Lord has brought me and my husband a same sex attracted neighbor. By providence I have been cooking him dinner once a week and showing him Christs love. I don’t know if he knows if I am a Catholic but I pray for him as I make the food. We never know how our Lord is using us to reach the suffering. May the good Lord be with you all ❤.
Be definitive. Say No. Sick of these cowardly, worldy church leaders! Step up or step down
If 5 Cardinals couldn't get the straight answer that they were looking for, what do you think the average lay Catholic is going to understand? That is why a "Yes" or "No" as the Cardinals wanted was a better approach.
Brilliant analysis! People have been manipulated …. So true and it seems to be happening with regularity.
Nope . Not brilliant . They are being politically correct trying to analyze the popes answer . The pope messed up on this big time not being clear with his answer .
Thanks for this segment. I had not seen Pope Francis' response to the dubia and I appreciate this talk. I agree with the pastoral viewpoint espoused in this talk show. I also agree that it might have been 'clearer' had the response been "no" but we must love ... I thoroughly enjoyed this talk show. It was my first time listening. I plan to listen in the future.
The dubious dubia. Cardinal Burke is giving us half truths because he hates the Pope. Careful with him
I’m SSA but I extracted myself from a relationship and became celibate. This is what those like Father miss, yes I can be blessed but you CAN’T bless ‘union’ if they are not willing to leave the union, like Milo did. It’s nice to be pastored by a priest who gives me support for the choice I make every day but if I were to go back into a relationship, he could not give us a blessing so I can then go to Holy Communion. Same thin g is happening with divorce and remarried; I know a couple the man has been married 3 times and only the first was annulled and he doesn’t want to leave his current wife when they are living in sin and wish to go to Communion;; the Synod is pushing that this should be blessed and approved but they want to continue living in this relationship, so how does he go to confession saying I’m not going to turn away from my sin but still go to Communion
God bless you and give you the power to stay in celibate! Thanks to God for your come back ❤
Thanks for sharing! I saw you commented on my other post. It's a tough road! Was formerly exclusively SSA as well. I think God's giving me a chance at marriage to a woman, so keep praying/fasting/surrounding yourself with that if you would like that as well! God is very good and wants the best for us.
But yea, it's insane watching the Catholic Church turn into what looks like the Episcopal Church. Maybe people like us need to come out of the woodwork more to make ourselves known so the Church better realizes that it has actual adherents to the faith who are SSA who need real shepherding and not scandalizing. It probably wouldn't matter because the Holy Father has his agenda.
I can't believe an issue so clearly defined in the bible is what is going to split the church this time. So avoidable if we had real men running the church. But they will realize only god has the final say.🙏
It would be good to remember that homosexual relationships are also built on mutual love, respect, and support just as heterosexual relationships are.
I saw this in the military with “Don’t ask, don’t tell” in 1991 which helped to normalize the lifestyle so that in 2015 same sex marriage was legalized. Back then, they told us it would never happen, and conservatives started to become a little less than persecuted because we have conservative beliefs about marriage.
We are now called racist, bigots and fascists.
Unfortunately I dont think, in this instance, the problem is with people not reading the Popes response. I read it and had all the concerns with it even trying to find a reason to defend it.
I appreciate all the inputs the three hosts put on the table. I entered the conversation as a Ryan Scheele, in the middle I was more of a Fr. Richard Pagano, but ended up having the same thoughts as Ryan Delacrosse.
How does Paul set homosexuals free? How does the Catholic Church attempt to?
Acts 17 tells us how to test what we hear by being a good Berean.
We have the clear example of sinners including sexual immoral being set free in 1 Cor 6:9-11.
Now we compare how Paul did the Catholic Church.
RCC: pray the rosary, go to confession, receive a blessing from a priest. (All unbiblical ways to get saved n receive power for repentance).
Paul: said he came only to preach the cross, the power of salvation. 1 Cor 1:17, Rom 1:16-17.
Without the preaching of the cross their is no salvation and repentance. Hence: Paul preached the cross because it provides our every spiritual need through it!!
If you’re catholic you should consider the obvious.
Ephesians 3:20 (KJV) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the 👉power that worketh in us.
In that case check out Matt Fradd.
First, thank you for covering this difficult subject matter, which only broke in the news several days ago. I first heard about it when my teenage son, who is not Catholic, came to me and asked why the Pope is suddenly "allowing blessings for gay marriages". It really put me in an uncomfortable spot, being that I'm only a relatively recent convert myself.
In your discussion, I'm hearing a lot of concern for "pastoral kindness" to people in this situation who ultimately want to be blessed in their gay unions.
Being a good pastor does not always involve being "kind" and encouraging. There is 2 Timothy 3:16-17 that says that the scriptures are good for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Sometimes good pastoral care is not about encouraging; sometimes what people need is an admonishment or a life-giving rebuke (especially those who doggedly reject sound doctrine and are desperately, relentlessly trying to twist things to support their cause until they get their way). Not rebuking in a spirit-crushing way, but in a way that leaves no room for doubt or confusion, and ultimately leads to them repenting. And if this age is about anything, it's about doubt and confusion.
I do blame the Pope for being so vague in his responses to issues and often leaving such room for confusion. I think if he felt strongly on this subject he would have left no doubts. In the end, his vague wording will give the the LGBTQ community what it wants to be able to twist things to their advantage in public discourse and to endlessly continue this awful debate.
And no, this is not something that should be kept between the bishops, cardinals, and the Pope. We lay people are crying out for clear guidance on these hot-button topics in this culture war, and we're not getting it from this Pope. I'd like to be able to go back to my son with clear answers. There is so much upheaval and debate on this gay marriage subject that we need a very public clarification from the Church. And those German bishops that are blessing gay unions need to be shut down -- visibly, loudly, and clearly. Not after years of ongoing error, but yesterday.
Well said.
It is not difficult.
A great discussion guys. Glad it’s being talked about. We have to be careful how we treat people. There are many who won’t step into a church because they don’t feel welcome. This subject about blessing the people and not the sin is hot on social media. My pastor refused to marry my own son ( he is not gay) but married to a female. He told the pastor he believed there was a God but was not certain it was Jesus. They got married by secular person, said a simple blessing. So far, they have been married for many years. He won’t go to a church and feels unwelcome. So, perhaps offering a blessing could smooth out the feathers and bring people back to the church. It’s not just the gay issue. The pews are empty in some church’s and it’s both Protestant and Catholic with same problem.
Friendships don't normally seek out an official Church blessing. Here, I think it's clear that "they" -- the "couple" would be looking for a "green light" to continue in a homosexual relationship--which would naturally include sexual relations. I love this episode! Thank you so much for addressing this and I think you all did a great job of dissecting the questions, the Pope's answer and the Catechism's fundamental truths as taught by the Church.
Does it specify as a couple? Or is that being inserted and assumed? And if the Church doesnt recognize their union does it matter if they are presenting themselves for blessing individually together? Why is everyone turning this blessing into a wedding when it's clearly stated it cannot be?
Obviously, blessings of gay 'couples' shall become a semi Catholic gay marriage to the gay community. Pope Francis wrote that these blessings shouldn't be seen as a marriage. Obviously, it consists of the blessing of two people; a blessing of a single person couldn't be misunderstood as a marriage; one can't marry oneself.
@jamesdooley2221 His answer was people can be blessed, the union not.
@@jamesdooley2221I think people are hyper focused on this sin and it makes them cringe against the people involved in it's grasp. The Pope is leading us to be the Church. Not to be the meager ration keepers of grace.
If two of our kids in a heterosexual relationship were living together, we'd be eager for them to have hands laid on them to be blessed.
We wouldn't be worried about them presenting themselves together in their sinful state. Why is that?
I am only a few minutes into this conversation, but I want to touch on the idea that "blessing" versus "marriage" is a key distinction. There is a letter from a priest in San Francisco where he talks about a young same sex attracted woman who points to the words of Pope Francis as justification for her lifestyle. Whether he is being pastoral or not is irrelevant. His words are being used by some to justify sinful behavior. If he wants to make a clear distinction, then he could do so. He is intentionally being vague.
His vagueness is also misleading to priests., as some priests are caught committing these acts with other men or little children. These guys don't fully understand the people that were invited to the synod. Please look at the official poster with the bishops watermark on it approved by the pope. There is no ambiguity as which direction this pope is slowly but incrementally leading people.
He’s saying you can bless the individual with same sex attraction to help him deal with that , but not the same sex union. His high ranking Cardinal recently came out and explained this . Anybody trying to say otherwise is not a Catholic Christian and should just go start your own Protestant church .
I’m gay and a practicing Catholic and not sorry. In fact I recently joined the Conformity of the Brown Scapular. Oh I’m sure there’s some frumpy women with time on their hands who are saying, “then you’re not Catholic”. Neither are you-judge lest you be judged.
Yes, take us all back to the catechism. We are lost sheep needing structure and guidance. You guys are great, God bless your insights.
For most cases I would say, not all but most, gay couples seeking a blessing aren't seeking help or guidance, they're seeking validation. I am reminded of the compassion, tenderness, patience, and understanding John the Baptist (who of women, no greater man has been born) showed to Herod in regard to his adulterous marriage
Loved this episode !!!
Those religious who choose to bless same sex unions will be held guilty of blasphemy, public scandal and sacrilege by Christ.
For me, the main "problem" per say is not what pope is saying right now, but the cardinals that he has created so far.
I'm from Belgium and our bishops have written out a "liturgy" for the "blessing" of same-sex unions. Aside from it being problematic that the bishops are making this "blessing" official, it's basically the liturgy of a wedding, where at the moment of the sacramental blessing of marriage, they "bless" the same-sex union. For an outsider, or a badly catechised catholic, it looks like a marriage ceremony.
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The question Would be what is it exactly he Will be blessing & offering to God?!
Bishop needs to be removed educated in his faith. He is leading evil into the church.
@@dorcas4035 What are priests blessing when giving marriage to senior couples or non-fertile couples . Marriage is more than sex for reproduction. So is a same-sex couple more than its sexual relationship.
@@thomasgriebel9485Marriage in Christ Church according to His teaching is between a man & a Woman. Happy Advent & May the Light of the Lord shine upon you to understand His teachings better on this area🙏💜
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After watching many Catholics slandering his Holiness Pope Francis for lies that he authorized same sex union blessing and I myself fully disagree with all of them including prominent cardinals, bishops and priests criticHoliness for wrong interpretations. I would take my hat off to you, Father, and your team for this clarification of what exactly what Pope Francis meant. Really ❤️ it, and I hope that those critics take your interpretation in and go straight to CONFESSION for deliberately sinning by accusing the Pope for heresies. As Fr John Corapi always says,' Do not badmouth the Pope [ any Pope] By not pastorial clear as one of you keeps on asking means "go back and get another clearance from Rome before making a sinful action
As simple as such, the case ended