I love watching Neill's videos. I can listen to him explain things over and over and still feel like I'm learning something new because he has such a deep understanding of his field. And he just seems like such a genuine and nice guy that you just want to hear what he has to say. Thanks for the information.
oh man. Been watching all these fit vids. Spent 2 hours tweaking my ride yesterday and rode this morning. 1MPH average faster with similar effort, and for the first time in 30 years of cycling, I feel hamstring fatigue and less jelly quads. And hands felt relaxed on bars. Game freaking changer. BTW, seat too high and too far back, cleats too far forward. Thank you SOOOOOO much. I am blown away.
Wish I could fly to Australia for a fitting by Neil! I feel like he knows more than the fitter I went to here in Boston who slammed my saddle all the way forward and now I have a lot of pressure on my arms.
Had a professional fit done here in Sydney and was put in to a more race position than relaxed/endurance (despite me asking for relaxed but thats another story). Was pretty much advised a slammed stem, raised seat post and saddle further back. I dont have the flexibility for that setup (I’m working on it though) so I’m now in the process of elimination of getting rid of my even more extreme shoulder pain. I’ve raised the stem which has helped immensely and now I’ve had to drop the seat ever so slightly but also move it forward as I kept sliding off the front and my sit bones were nowhere near the right spot on the saddle. You’re videos have helped me greatly Neil and I thank you for this valuable, free information you’re providing. I have to pay a visit to your recommended Sydney fitter as I think he’ll do great job for the finishing touches
Fore aft adjustment is a key to getting your bike feel right. Virtually all braking and handling is done by the front wheel, so don't be afraid to put some weight on the front. Put your bike through some twisties, see how it handles
It would be very nice to see a few demonstrations as you are explaining some of the dos and donts as well as some baseline points of reference to look for in a general dialed pedal stroke from a solid set up .
Due to my scoliosis and kyphosis, I set my saddle 1 cm forward from neutral. It also helped with my short, club hand. Better cornering/handling and better climbing.
Wow, that was terrific. Thank you. My saddle is too far back then cause the front wants to wobble when I take my hands off the bars. I have an old GTzr 3.0. I checked for frame deformity using a straight edge from the stem to the drop outs and the distance on the seat tube to it, were the equal on both sides. Many thanks.
Brilliant. I do find that I can lose front wheel traction when I push hard up a climb. Also, I struggle to ride no hands on my current setup - never been an issue before. Never been able to work this out. Another outstanding video. Thanks
I'm 6'4 on a 60cm cyclocross bike that I use for gravel and road biking... they have slightly different geometry from a strict road bike... I find myself never being able to find a true/perfect position. I'd say my limb lengths, torso lengths are all proportionate (in other words, I'm not 6'4 with long arms/legs short torso, or short legs long torso... I'm proportionate). In order to get full leg extension... I extend my seat post fully at its limit. Maybe 1cm passed it actually. Not only that, but I have to slide my saddle all the way back for a bit more leg extension, and reach (Since if I keep the saddle neutral or forward, I feel cramped up front). I even have a 110mm long stem. The position this puts me in.. gives me a feeling of kicking forward while my femur bones are too close to my torso (which doesn't allow me to put out as much power... although it puts me in a more aero position). Issue is... If I shorten the stem... I'm cramped. If I slide seat foward... I'm cramped. If I slide seat post down... legs don't get extension. I think I've come to the conclusion that my frame just isn't enough for me... Gotta go full road bike, maybe a 61cm. Thoughts from anyone? Looking for all the ideas I can get...
I feel like all these videos have the same never ending cycle. "Heres how to adjust this but actually before you do that you'll need to make sure that x,y & z are good ahead of time." Where do you START though? I want to fit myself. Where do I START the process? Cleats? Saddle height? Stem length? For and Aft?
Sit on the bike, put your heel on the pedal, that will get your height in an acceptable range. As you stated the rest can be technical, go for feel as it relates to reach and seat fore/aft or just pay for a professional fit.
You start by entering your credit card details into the reservation system for your local bike fitter. Entering the credentials too quickly can result in typos, so it's important to enter them fast, and then dial back once you feel your accuracy start to fade.
Hello Neil. What about a rider that has longer femur and the effects you name? I read in general, longer femur needs more setback than usual. Would that cancel the situations you explain? And lastly, should those riders compensate with a shorter stem as well to keep reach "at reach"? Thanks a lot for your videos. Is always a source of golden knowledge.
So I went for a ride a couple nights ago. And when I hit a %5 climb like he said I felt like I was pushing forward on the pedals. I also noticed I likely slid back on the saddle a bit. I'm guessing that's what he means by the pelvis being further behind the bottom bracket? Saddle tilt changes with the gradient. Usually on flat I'm fine unless I put the power down then I notice a similar thing to what is described. Feel like Im pushing forward a bit and my hands feel almost weightless like they are coming off. Feel it a bit in the right achilles too. Guessing this means I need to come forward a touch. Would be cool if you guys continue a series of vids like this one btw. Covering specific issues like this. Very helpful and more detailed.
I am a 5' 10" Clydesdale rider currently 230lbs. I also can bench-press 180lbs, I'm barrel chested and wear a 7 3/4 hat. My head alone is probably 12lbs. My balance point between the front and rear wheels so I am in an athletic position on a bike is critical. The things you were saying about weight on the hands does not apply to me so much because I need to reduce the reach. In fact I found that I had much less weight on my hands by moving my butt forward. Replacing the stock layback seatpost on my 55cm gravel bike with inline seatpost made a HUGE difference. I even reversed a slightly layback seatpost on my 56cm GIANT to make it a lay-forward and now that bike is super comfortable. With my weight the saddle needs to be set near the center of the rails or it doesn't flex right.
How about raising the bars to about 2cm below saddle in order to measure the "too little weight on hands" thing. Long and low stem makes it very difficult to work out.
I tried putting my saddle right back. I had to keep adjusting to get good power down. New stem solved the problem. Drop bars will further help. Cannot wait to get 105 on my ribble hybrid. A good bike will become great abd relatively light at just 10 kg for a hybrid this is good for the road folk out there. I actually prefer road bikes ive had a focus cayo and my last one a madone 2.3 i think. Shame i folded the frame im extremely clumsy, having had two brain injuries so a light hybrid was the way to go for me silly rack gone. Carbon post and trek seat on. New 105 rear pointless doing the front i don't leave the big cog, ever. 105 shifters and brakes going on drop bars. That'll do me, lovely. Full carbon seat too. Should be sub ten kg. I'll be real happy. Reasoning behind getting a hybrid, fair enough the folks would be sacrificed but the frame wont fold. It's currently only a few pounds heavier than said trek. Only six hundred of the kings finest pounds too. Carbon folks ok only acera but that's going soon.
Neill can you also make a video on how if the feeling of a saddle that is too wide or too narrow for a rider. Thank you very much Watching from the Philippines
Hi! Great videos, with information that i'vve never seen on anyother. regarding this matter, when there is lack if quadricep engagement, is there as abdominal/hip region, contraction. I sometimes have that sensation. Thank you for your videos They are great!
Really useful video Neill (and Cam), so thanks for putting it together. Quick question for you Neill: if you have a weak posterior chain, and don’t recruit hams and glutes well, how do you know whether some of the problems you’ve listed are because the seat is too far back, rather than the posterior chain getting used to a new, and perhaps appropriate load? Thanks in advance, and keep up the great work. 👍
This would be far too complex to figure out without seeing you in person unfortunately - if for example the reason you don't recruit your posterior chain well is excessive ankling/instability of the foot over the pedal, then no amount of setback fiddling is going to sort it out without solving the underlying problem. Beyond the scope of a RUclips video that one sorry mate! - Neill
Thanks for taking the time to reply Neill, and appreciate it’s hard to give specifics without seeing someone in person. What you’ve said does resonate though, as I drop my right heel a lot, and recently upgraded from G8s to custom orthotics to gain foot stability in my cycling shoes. Definitely noticed that my glutes don’t work as hard when my heel drops compared to when it remains flatter throughout the pedal stroke 👍
I’m definitely going to try scooting forward a hair before my commute tomorrow. I had been wondering why I felt like I was “toeing”my pedals and front end felt so light on climbs. Awesome info!
I've never felt any hamstring loading that I'm aware of, glute and quads yes but never hamstring. I run 165mm cranks and a very low flat back position in the puppy paws handlebar position, when riding my SS on the flat over time I sometimes feel a slight ache where the hamstring and glute meet requiring me to raise out of the saddle and stand for a few strokes to relieve the ache, pretty sure it's glute not hamstring and it's not bad but I only seem to get in on my SS on the flat, not my other bikes, still trying to nail the cause of this.
Hey Jason, Cam here. I don't think that is a proper sign of too far forward. That is gravity. However, if you can shift the gears up and put more pressure through the pedals (and actually pedal downhill) you will find less pressure on the hands. Cheers.
Hi guys, I'm not feeling any muscle overloading, but instead of that, I'm constantly sliding forward on the saddle. No matter to the angle of the saddle. I've tried to move saddle back and forward but the results are the same. I've tried this on many different types of saddles like: Specialized Toupe 130, SLR Boost 130, Selle SMP Composit, Bontrager Verse 135, Selle Italia Novus Boost 135, San Marco Aspide Narrow, Pro Falcon 130, etc... My seatbone width is 91mm and struggling over 28 years with this issue. My bike fitter tells me that the problem is in the shape of my pelvis 🤔🤔🤔
Use a saddle that is as flat as possible. And you need to look at the angle of your pelvis when you sit in the saddle. From my personal experience, it seems that if you sit on an extreme rear incline, you tend to slip because you only have to support it with the pointed part. Or you may have a problem with the reach, so try reducing the reach all the way to the handlebars.
This was a great video. Thanks.. I do have a question for you. So, I feel I am pretty much spot on but, my left leg during VO2 intervals about 1 minute in begins to feel like the muscle burns/fatigues in the tear drop of the quad and the IT Band area. Only the left. The right feels great. Any thoughts? This just started with my new bike. Thanks
So, question for Neill...pretty sure my seat position is fine, I've had the same setting for almost ten years and rarely experience discomfort, but with regard to "reaching" combined with "incline"...I tend to find myself rolling my hips backward, almost sliding back a touch on the seat, as the road ramps up that little bit. I'll normally sit fairly central or ever so slightly forward of centre when "time trialling", but I find I prefer to enforce that reaching action by rolling back and driving through my hamstrings, calves and heels to maintain momentum up the incline. I'll then roll forward again and re-engage my quads as the road evens out. I find I drop a lot of riding partners like this. Is this a case of what works for me, or could it be something sinister? Cheers.
Hey Adam, you may not find Neill here, but I'd suggest emailing him. Tell him I said as a long time channel supporter I suggested it. He will help you there I am sure. Cheers, Cam neillsbikefit@gmail.com
Remember, you stated that these formalities are usually different for the pros. They have to endure pain and other discomfort for the marginal gains. That's how they feed their families while satisfying their sponsors. We mortals like to follow the Pros. The rest of us should follow your guidelines with earnest focus.
It's one of the possibilities, but for sure not the only one. This is the fun about bike positioning - there is almost never a single thing I can say that applies everyone, in every situation, at all times. It's great fun! - Neill
This thumbnail is prime example of bad design.... Fore and aft words are put for the saddle that is barely seen on the thumbnail, and facing the opposite direction than the bike on the thumbnail... Making it all very confusing and making you look .... Confused... This is a result of Lack of planning and check...
Yes, I've had the same lower back ache in the lower lumbar region from what I assume was being to far back with the seat (w/ 20mm setback Seatpost). I have adjusted the seat forward and the ache has lessened. I was wondering why low back fatigue and pain was not mentioned on the video.
@@Unwavering137 Probably due to hip impingement, which puts more tension on the lower back. You might find lowering the saddle a few mm helps as it did with me. I also injured my back some 40 years ago, which was triggered by having the saddle too far back & slightly too high. Rode my 1st 200km event in December last year in 5 years, pain free with saddle in revised position.
His description is far too woolly for me. You would have to move the saddle back and forth considerable distances to experience those effects that he mentions. When in truth the ideal position is attainable over a centimetre or so. I know that he doesn't agree with it, but for me the front of knee over the pedal centre when it is forwards is an ideal start point if not ideal. If I tried to experience the effects that he says will happen when moving the saddle back and forth, I would have to move it many centimetres to notice any real difference, thus how can you locate the ideal point? the range is far too wide. In any case, there's always weight on your hands; you're leaning forwards onto the bars. Far too woolly an explanation.
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My top 4 dinner party guests of all time would be. Einstein, Cleopatra, Napoleon and Neil Stanbury. I could listen to Neil talk sense all day 👍
Leave him some extra space on the table for the saddle and seat post he'll bring with him
Einstein definitely brian cox (astronomer) ozzy Osbourne and Jesus for me personally ozzy may change.
Mine would be island boys, cardi B, Jake Paul and some other stupid person.
@@cbyod 😂😂
Add Lil Pump in there
I love watching Neill's videos. I can listen to him explain things over and over and still feel like I'm learning something new because he has such a deep understanding of his field. And he just seems like such a genuine and nice guy that you just want to hear what he has to say. Thanks for the information.
I always feel like I'm learning something new because I forget everything right after I finish the video.
A really underrated channel
oh man. Been watching all these fit vids. Spent 2 hours tweaking my ride yesterday and rode this morning. 1MPH average faster with similar effort, and for the first time in 30 years of cycling, I feel hamstring fatigue and less jelly quads. And hands felt relaxed on bars. Game freaking changer. BTW, seat too high and too far back, cleats too far forward. Thank you SOOOOOO much. I am blown away.
Wish I could fly to Australia for a fitting by Neil! I feel like he knows more than the fitter I went to here in Boston who slammed my saddle all the way forward and now I have a lot of pressure on my arms.
Had a professional fit done here in Sydney and was put in to a more race position than relaxed/endurance (despite me asking for relaxed but thats another story). Was pretty much advised a slammed stem, raised seat post and saddle further back. I dont have the flexibility for that setup (I’m working on it though) so I’m now in the process of elimination of getting rid of my even more extreme shoulder pain. I’ve raised the stem which has helped immensely and now I’ve had to drop the seat ever so slightly but also move it forward as I kept sliding off the front and my sit bones were nowhere near the right spot on the saddle. You’re videos have helped me greatly Neil and I thank you for this valuable, free information you’re providing. I have to pay a visit to your recommended Sydney fitter as I think he’ll do great job for the finishing touches
Fore aft adjustment is a key to getting your bike feel right.
Virtually all braking and handling is done by the front wheel, so don't be afraid to put some weight on the front. Put your bike through some twisties, see how it handles
This information is just gold. Highly accurate based on my own long term experimental research.
It would be very nice to see a few demonstrations as you are explaining some of the dos and donts as well as some baseline points of reference to look for in a general dialed pedal stroke from a solid set up .
Neil the legend
Due to my scoliosis and kyphosis, I set my saddle 1 cm forward from neutral. It also helped with my short, club hand. Better cornering/handling and better climbing.
Wow, that was terrific. Thank you. My saddle is too far back then cause the front wants to wobble when I take my hands off the bars. I have an old GTzr 3.0. I checked for frame deformity using a straight edge from the stem to the drop outs and the distance on the seat tube to it, were the equal on both sides. Many thanks.
Brilliant. I do find that I can lose front wheel traction when I push hard up a climb. Also, I struggle to ride no hands on my current setup - never been an issue before. Never been able to work this out. Another outstanding video. Thanks
I'm 6'4 on a 60cm cyclocross bike that I use for gravel and road biking... they have slightly different geometry from a strict road bike...
I find myself never being able to find a true/perfect position.
I'd say my limb lengths, torso lengths are all proportionate (in other words, I'm not 6'4 with long arms/legs short torso, or short legs long torso... I'm proportionate).
In order to get full leg extension... I extend my seat post fully at its limit. Maybe 1cm passed it actually.
Not only that, but I have to slide my saddle all the way back for a bit more leg extension, and reach (Since if I keep the saddle neutral or forward, I feel cramped up front).
I even have a 110mm long stem.
The position this puts me in.. gives me a feeling of kicking forward while my femur bones are too close to my torso (which doesn't allow me to put out as much power... although it puts me in a more aero position).
Issue is...
If I shorten the stem... I'm cramped.
If I slide seat foward... I'm cramped.
If I slide seat post down... legs don't get extension.
I think I've come to the conclusion that my frame just isn't enough for me... Gotta go full road bike, maybe a 61cm.
Thoughts from anyone? Looking for all the ideas I can get...
Oh man
Every word you say i can feel exactly when riding! Amazing
Neill, thank you so much that you talk simple language about complex things.
I feel like all these videos have the same never ending cycle. "Heres how to adjust this but actually before you do that you'll need to make sure that x,y & z are good ahead of time." Where do you START though? I want to fit myself. Where do I START the process? Cleats? Saddle height? Stem length? For and Aft?
I believe it’s feet and saddle height
Sit on the bike, put your heel on the pedal, that will get your height in an acceptable range. As you stated the rest can be technical, go for feel as it relates to reach and seat fore/aft or just pay for a professional fit.
You start by entering your credit card details into the reservation system for your local bike fitter. Entering the credentials too quickly can result in typos, so it's important to enter them fast, and then dial back once you feel your accuracy start to fade.
Hello Neil.
What about a rider that has longer femur and the effects you name? I read in general, longer femur needs more setback than usual. Would that cancel the situations you explain? And lastly, should those riders compensate with a shorter stem as well to keep reach "at reach"?
Thanks a lot for your videos. Is always a source of golden knowledge.
Brilliant, thanks Neill.
So I went for a ride a couple nights ago. And when I hit a %5 climb like he said I felt like I was pushing forward on the pedals. I also noticed I likely slid back on the saddle a bit. I'm guessing that's what he means by the pelvis being further behind the bottom bracket? Saddle tilt changes with the gradient.
Usually on flat I'm fine unless I put the power down then I notice a similar thing to what is described. Feel like Im pushing forward a bit and my hands feel almost weightless like they are coming off. Feel it a bit in the right achilles too. Guessing this means I need to come forward a touch.
Would be cool if you guys continue a series of vids like this one btw. Covering specific issues like this. Very helpful and more detailed.
I am a 5' 10" Clydesdale rider currently 230lbs. I also can bench-press 180lbs, I'm barrel chested and wear a 7 3/4 hat. My head alone is probably 12lbs. My balance point between the front and rear wheels so I am in an athletic position on a bike is critical. The things you were saying about weight on the hands does not apply to me so much because I need to reduce the reach. In fact I found that I had much less weight on my hands by moving my butt forward. Replacing the stock layback seatpost on my 55cm gravel bike with inline seatpost made a HUGE difference. I even reversed a slightly layback seatpost on my 56cm GIANT to make it a lay-forward and now that bike is super comfortable. With my weight the saddle needs to be set near the center of the rails or it doesn't flex right.
Back pain is common in a too far back saddle set.
That is a great intuitive explanation. thanks!
Preponderance great word kudos.
Agreed everything you describe makes total sense thank you
How about raising the bars to about 2cm below saddle in order to measure the "too little weight on hands" thing. Long and low stem makes it very difficult to work out.
Amazing what a couple of millimeters of movement can do for saddle pain.
I tried putting my saddle right back. I had to keep adjusting to get good power down. New stem solved the problem. Drop bars will further help. Cannot wait to get 105 on my ribble hybrid. A good bike will become great abd relatively light at just 10 kg for a hybrid this is good for the road folk out there. I actually prefer road bikes ive had a focus cayo and my last one a madone 2.3 i think. Shame i folded the frame im extremely clumsy, having had two brain injuries so a light hybrid was the way to go for me silly rack gone. Carbon post and trek seat on. New 105 rear pointless doing the front i don't leave the big cog, ever. 105 shifters and brakes going on drop bars. That'll do me, lovely. Full carbon seat too. Should be sub ten kg. I'll be real happy. Reasoning behind getting a hybrid, fair enough the folks would be sacrificed but the frame wont fold. It's currently only a few pounds heavier than said trek. Only six hundred of the kings finest pounds too. Carbon folks ok only acera but that's going soon.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing on the thread Stephen
Hi
Been missing these videos!
Very helpful. Thanks.
Neill can you also make a video on how if the feeling of a saddle that is too wide or too narrow for a rider.
Thank you very much
Watching from the Philippines
So setting everything in the middle value could work for most peoples?
Refreshingly concise….
Hi! Great videos, with information that i'vve never seen on anyother. regarding this matter, when there is lack if quadricep engagement, is there as abdominal/hip region, contraction. I sometimes have that sensation. Thank you for your videos They are great!
Makes so much sense
Really useful video Neill (and Cam), so thanks for putting it together. Quick question for you Neill: if you have a weak posterior chain, and don’t recruit hams and glutes well, how do you know whether some of the problems you’ve listed are because the seat is too far back, rather than the posterior chain getting used to a new, and perhaps appropriate load? Thanks in advance, and keep up the great work. 👍
This would be far too complex to figure out without seeing you in person unfortunately - if for example the reason you don't recruit your posterior chain well is excessive ankling/instability of the foot over the pedal, then no amount of setback fiddling is going to sort it out without solving the underlying problem. Beyond the scope of a RUclips video that one sorry mate! - Neill
Thanks for taking the time to reply Neill, and appreciate it’s hard to give specifics without seeing someone in person. What you’ve said does resonate though, as I drop my right heel a lot, and recently upgraded from G8s to custom orthotics to gain foot stability in my cycling shoes. Definitely noticed that my glutes don’t work as hard when my heel drops compared to when it remains flatter throughout the pedal stroke 👍
I’m definitely going to try scooting forward a hair before my commute tomorrow. I had been wondering why I felt like I was “toeing”my pedals and front end felt so light on climbs.
Awesome info!
Oh... I suddenly think my seat might be a tiny bit to far back . Will have to experiment.
I've never felt any hamstring loading that I'm aware of, glute and quads yes but never hamstring. I run 165mm cranks and a very low flat back position in the puppy paws handlebar position, when riding my SS on the flat over time I sometimes feel a slight ache where the hamstring and glute meet requiring me to raise out of the saddle and stand for a few strokes to relieve the ache, pretty sure it's glute not hamstring and it's not bad but I only seem to get in on my SS on the flat, not my other bikes, still trying to nail the cause of this.
Interesting to hear Greg, thanks for sharing on the thread.
What about too much pressure on the hands when you’re on a slight decline? Does that mean you should move it back?
Hey Jason, Cam here. I don't think that is a proper sign of too far forward. That is gravity. However, if you can shift the gears up and put more pressure through the pedals (and actually pedal downhill) you will find less pressure on the hands. Cheers.
Hi guys,
I'm not feeling any muscle overloading, but instead of that, I'm constantly sliding forward on the saddle. No matter to the angle of the saddle. I've tried to move saddle back and forward but the results are the same. I've tried this on many different types of saddles like: Specialized Toupe 130, SLR Boost 130, Selle SMP Composit, Bontrager Verse 135, Selle Italia Novus Boost 135, San Marco Aspide Narrow, Pro Falcon 130, etc... My seatbone width is 91mm and struggling over 28 years with this issue. My bike fitter tells me that the problem is in the shape of my pelvis 🤔🤔🤔
try to lower the saddle
Use a saddle that is as flat as possible. And you need to look at the angle of your pelvis when you sit in the saddle. From my personal experience, it seems that if you sit on an extreme rear incline, you tend to slip because you only have to support it with the pointed part. Or you may have a problem with the reach, so try reducing the reach all the way to the handlebars.
and when you are on the rivet, or trying to keep in a fast bunch, all measurements go out the window.
If the saddle is too far back does it give you knee pain from a shearing effect, or is this a myth?
do you think that for endurance (low effort) cycling you should balance between hand and saddle pressure?
This was a great video. Thanks.. I do have a question for you. So, I feel I am pretty much spot on but, my left leg during VO2 intervals about 1 minute in begins to feel like the muscle burns/fatigues in the tear drop of the quad and the IT Band area. Only the left. The right feels great. Any thoughts? This just started with my new bike. Thanks
Please make a video for when your saddle is too far forward. :)
Just published!
@@roadcyclingacademy Thank you very much.
Hello Neil, can I relate this fore/aft on my XC bike?
Weight distribution is a tricky one. Some people have a big backside.
This is true - hence why it's only one of the things to look for - not the only only one! _ Neill
Just ride an Electra Townie to see what "too far back" or a recumbent
Red bmc shot seat way to low
Ugh. In both cases of seat too far back and seat too far forward, I use a lot of quads and have too much weight on hands. Interesting..
The reach is probably too short for you or the frame is too small?
So, question for Neill...pretty sure my seat position is fine, I've had the same setting for almost ten years and rarely experience discomfort, but with regard to "reaching" combined with "incline"...I tend to find myself rolling my hips backward, almost sliding back a touch on the seat, as the road ramps up that little bit. I'll normally sit fairly central or ever so slightly forward of centre when "time trialling", but I find I prefer to enforce that reaching action by rolling back and driving through my hamstrings, calves and heels to maintain momentum up the incline. I'll then roll forward again and re-engage my quads as the road evens out. I find I drop a lot of riding partners like this. Is this a case of what works for me, or could it be something sinister? Cheers.
Hey Adam, you may not find Neill here, but I'd suggest emailing him. Tell him I said as a long time channel supporter I suggested it. He will help you there I am sure. Cheers, Cam neillsbikefit@gmail.com
Remember, you stated that these formalities are usually different for the pros. They have to endure pain and other discomfort for the marginal gains. That's how they feed their families while satisfying their sponsors. We mortals like to follow the Pros. The rest of us should follow your guidelines with earnest focus.
Where have you been,Neill ? Some day we'll have to have a pint together and chat....
Yep, the guy is right.
Again;)))
the first point makes only sense for "normal weight" people I guess, if you are super lean or a bit overweight, its gets messy ;D
Agreed! - Neill
My hands alway fell asleep. Too forward?
It's one of the possibilities, but for sure not the only one. This is the fun about bike positioning - there is almost never a single thing I can say that applies everyone, in every situation, at all times. It's great fun! - Neill
Pay attention to how your resting your hands on the bars
James Thomas [francis cade] vs Neill Stanbury! Who wheel win. Let's see the results by thumbing this thread!
He seems way angrier than me, and bigger, so he would win for sure - Neill
@@roadcyclingacademy A War over Saddle Height🤣😂😅
You'll understand, too light on the hands if you hit a bump.
as far forward as it will go every time. the obree way.
This thumbnail is prime example of bad design....
Fore and aft words are put for the saddle that is barely seen on the thumbnail, and facing the opposite direction than the bike on the thumbnail... Making it all very confusing and making you look .... Confused...
This is a result of Lack of planning and check...
Hope is went well!
Too far back with me = really bad lower back pain.
Interesting to hear Richard, thanks for sharing on the thread.
Yes, I've had the same lower back ache in the lower lumbar region from what I assume was being to far back with the seat (w/ 20mm setback Seatpost). I have adjusted the seat forward and the ache has lessened. I was wondering why low back fatigue and pain was not mentioned on the video.
@@Unwavering137 Probably due to hip impingement, which puts more tension on the lower back. You might find lowering the saddle a few mm helps as it did with me. I also injured my back some 40 years ago, which was triggered by having the saddle too far back & slightly too high. Rode my 1st 200km event in December last year in 5 years, pain free with saddle in revised position.
99.9% of times you just cannot make ur saddle too far back, because it will always be too far in front.
His description is far too woolly for me. You would have to move the saddle back and forth considerable distances to experience those effects that he mentions. When in truth the ideal position is attainable over a centimetre or so. I know that he doesn't agree with it, but for me the front of knee over the pedal centre when it is forwards is an ideal start point if not ideal. If I tried to experience the effects that he says will happen when moving the saddle back and forth, I would have to move it many centimetres to notice any real difference, thus how can you locate the ideal point? the range is far too wide. In any case, there's always weight on your hands; you're leaning forwards onto the bars. Far too woolly an explanation.
Bike fit and position is an inherently woolly subject. There are so many variables with bike and rider that you can only speak in general terms.