You could tell during Hal’s goodbye speeches he did literally everything not to bring this kinda stuff up. Now Evan is just talking like a high school girl about her ex best friend she now hates. It’s just a sign of immaturity
Fuck man, it seems a bit rich defending hal like that. Are we talking about the same emotionally volatile, whiney, antagonistic person?? Seriously, envision what it would be like playing and living with that guy every day
was a big TSM fan since before X games, I still love Reps but I hope they do bad because none of this was supposed to be puiblic especially since Hal or Raven havent said a word when leaving, I dont even remember Mac being like this when he left TSM to play Valorant or whatever
lol, what a soft, L take. You watch Drive To Survive for F1, it's like 1000x worse. Anything within the NFL, NBA, EPL, etc. has the players, has the coaches, talk about this stuff. This is the interesting human stuff and if you think Evan saying, "Hal got mad and annoyed me once, he's hard to play with" is private, LOL. Bruh, he annoys everyone, it's Hal! What league are ya'll casuals watching??
I mean as a viewer I love how he addressed what was going on but putting myself in any one of their shoes it would've just been better to keep it private ngl... Things go south sometimes and that's just life. At least he took responsibility that he played a part in the downfall
If you’ve ever competed at anything at a high level whether that be sports or e sports. You’ll know having a Hal and zero on your team is why you win. It’s not about having fun, it’s about getting called out on your mistakes and learning from them. Sure Hal could handle some situations better but there’s a reason why 2 (igls) were the only people to win for ever
Apex Legends drama has officially begun since rostermania has happened and I'm really excited for the future between TSM and what they're going to do at ALGS, I wish the best of luck to Evan and Jordan as well as Hal on Team Falcons! 😁
This is like watching best friends when they stop being friends so all they do is talk aboit eachother after 😂 what's dumb is all of the sudden all this stuff is coming out. Does it even need to be discussed on stream ? Couldve kept it simple we all know hal must be hard to play with
Are you stupid? he literally explained that it was Hal and them that said that he should join TSM because it would be more beneficial in the long term😂 so he made the decision of joining them😅 y’all just be hating for no reason💀
It clearly showed his intent is based on money. It says a lot about his character. He got into a toxic situation for the bag and now is acting like a child over it. Fair enough initially but I’m saying now his positive persona fades into a whiny kid when things got hard he quit playing the game. Money didn’t matter at that stage did it
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand him not playing bc he doesn’t like playing with Hal? Like.. just play ranked with other pros then.. not wanting to play with 1 person isn’t an excuse for not playing/practicing the game
@strokes3345 better than choosing to be a toxic dick after your teammate has clearly given you plenty of opportunities to speak up like an adult.... LOL
so basically what we take from this is.. Hal pushed Mac away, pushed Snip3 away and now pushed Evan away (this case Hal left, but you get it).. but in no case Evan should've shared all of this info online, he needs to learn that he doesnt need to share everything with his chat or this lil apex world, he'll understand soon enough, bcs this made him look bad. If he has a agent or personal manager, the agent or manager will tell him this.
@@the_joy_n_sorrow acie? that I cant say shii bcs Hal is 100% a different person off stream, a person with 1 brain cell can easily see that, so him being with acie gotta be a even way different person. I can only give my 2 cents on what we see and saw.
Let me break this down for you, Hals personality is he wants to win and has going to express everything and point out everything wrong to win. He did not push them away they are just weak mentals. You are on the #1 ORG in the GAME, everyone loves you and adores you take a little shit from your IGL so you can still be the top DOG. Mac literally said this today or yesterday that he wished he still had teammates to yell at him to get it right because you find out that the people who don't get upset don't care. That's all I'm seeing is people who are being little pussies EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY OF APEX LOVES YOU, 1 person bitches you out just because they want to win and you cry about it. Look at Hals team now they still yell at each other talk shit to each other and they dropped 100+ points in scrims and won like 4 Scrim blocks in a row.
I think he does bro, 85% of apex viewers watch hal and dont care about other pros opinion, grind, or mindset. People don't treat the other pros like people and shit on them constantly for just playing a game.
I think Evan should speak his truth most apex viewers really only give a fuck about hal. Alot of people have a problem of not thinking of the pros as people bro and the hate in this game is digusting sometimes. Never gonna hate Evan, dude never backtracked on shit he just elaborating since people put words in his mouth. The biggest problem with apex fans is not the gossip its the making stories up about people they dont even watch.
u guys can talk shit about velhurst all u want but him being honest about how he feels is respectable enough yes i know verlhurst said some things he shouldn't have but at the end of the day its important to be honest.
@@mrschnimy9322 exactly, Evan is entitled to feel however he feels, everyone has their own perception and point of view. However, mature people talk about these types of thoughts and issues privately with a few chosen confidants and possibly a mentor seeking advice and reflect, but airing this out publicly to his twitch chat, well that is just sad, pathetic and immature. Evan is still young, so his immaturity is to be expected i suppose, but this manufactured drama was unnecessary and self-inflicted by Evan himself. For me, this paints him in a different light now, and he doesn't come across as the wholesome classic good guy anymore. He seems to be only nice to people in front of their face and on camera, but behind the scenes he is not honest about how he feels and he represses his thoughts and feelings and then snaps. The whole part where he is laughing about almost punching Hal at Champs because Hal kept bringing up the same mistake that cost them a lot of points was eye opening into Evan's personality. He said the main reason he didn't resort to violence was because he knew it would end his e-sports career. Certainly that is true, and certainly that is sound logic, but it is still concerning to me that he was laughing about this memory and his only reasons upon reflection were those of a robot. He doesn't actually seem to care or feel bad for having such thoughts about wanting to beat the shit out of his co-worker \ igl \ supposed friend. The things Evan said about hal are not the types of things you would say about a friend IMO regardless of their work issues and relationship.
@@vinceyoungrulezEvan getting mad at his coworker for nonstop whining about what he did at work during dinner shows that his personality is fake? What are you even talking about? Pretty sure he said the main reason he didn't really do anything is because he wasn't actually angry enough to do so. Evan literally admitted that he only said that because he was pissed but really it would take a lot more to actually make him hit someone. Just because he shouldn't say this stuff online, why does this mean he must secretly be some malicious person?
I love seeing people think this is the worst drama. This is literally the most normal, measured kind of analysis about things that happens ever. People today are soft if they think life = DRAMA
I love watching all the e-sports kids think this is mega dramatic. This just sounds like business as usual when you're in a competitive business and things get rough. For traditional sports I'd say this drama is a 3 out of 10. I get what he's saying and all their behaviors were pretty obvious this was how it was going during the last few splits and comps. Both Falcons and TSM are doing well though so game on!
Sorry, but if you're not willing to put in the grind you deserve to lose. If I was Hal I'd be pissed and would've left as well. Evan needs to learn how to take heat and shrug it off. Lost a lot of respect for him after this, especially due to knowing he wasn't putting the work in to win.
It has been stated multiple times that Hal’s contract on the falcons is essentially the same monthly revenue. If he’s a sell out for leaving and wanting to win sure? But why are you competing if you’re not there to win. This is a business not a place for “fun”
@@ElFrankie562 to win? Hal will go down as the greatest apex player ever. Why would you not go play with the other 2 greats and generate an endless money glitch ? All of these guys are here for a paycheque and to win.
If you watch this in x0.75 speed, Verhulst speaks like a normal person.
is this boy addied out or wutt?
😂
Evans villain arc has officially begun
I hope your generation doesn't think being an unaccountable child is a "villain arc"
@@beerdoI hope you don't form opinions on entire generations of people based on RUclips comments
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
@@beerdonice rage bait
@@soldiersgr996 instead of doing something yall say "ragebait" 😂
You could tell during Hal’s goodbye speeches he did literally everything not to bring this kinda stuff up. Now Evan is just talking like a high school girl about her ex best friend she now hates. It’s just a sign of immaturity
Fuck man, it seems a bit rich defending hal like that. Are we talking about the same emotionally volatile, whiney, antagonistic person?? Seriously, envision what it would be like playing and living with that guy every day
yo chat, but chat, listen chat
You just gonna ignore that Raven brought it up?
@@garrymiller3171 raven brought it up because evan took shots at him. Hal and Raven never mentioned a word about this before that
@@surya_12390he didn't really take shots at raven just said his vibes weren't there no more
That recoil control is insane tho
@@mirkopalicalmao your on something
Idk I’ve tried but man idk how they do it honestly
Console player speaking for sure
@@itsprod.472 Don't we ask ourself the same thing about every single person who excels in their craft? they're just better lol
@@the_joy_n_sorrow your so fucking blind
was a big TSM fan since before X games, I still love Reps but I hope they do bad because none of this was supposed to be puiblic especially since Hal or Raven havent said a word when leaving, I dont even remember Mac being like this when he left TSM to play Valorant or whatever
lol, what a soft, L take. You watch Drive To Survive for F1, it's like 1000x worse. Anything within the NFL, NBA, EPL, etc. has the players, has the coaches, talk about this stuff. This is the interesting human stuff and if you think Evan saying, "Hal got mad and annoyed me once, he's hard to play with" is private, LOL. Bruh, he annoys everyone, it's Hal! What league are ya'll casuals watching??
@@max_coast they talked as tm8s and as friends and he still went public, its weird just like your comment with 0 input or braincells
I mean as a viewer I love how he addressed what was going on but putting myself in any one of their shoes it would've just been better to keep it private ngl... Things go south sometimes and that's just life. At least he took responsibility that he played a part in the downfall
So much juice today wtf
If you’ve ever competed at anything at a high level whether that be sports or e sports. You’ll know having a Hal and zero on your team is why you win. It’s not about having fun, it’s about getting called out on your mistakes and learning from them. Sure Hal could handle some situations better but there’s a reason why 2 (igls) were the only people to win for ever
Sellout lol
Thinking of quitting and wanting to quit is basically the same thing, maybe everyone interprets it differently. Both are a thought and not an action
Apex Legends drama has officially begun since rostermania has happened and I'm really excited for the future between TSM and what they're going to do at ALGS, I wish the best of luck to Evan and Jordan as well as Hal on Team Falcons! 😁
Yo chat, yo chat , chat, yo chat.... omg.....
Nah way bro back tracking now 😂
Yeah , TSM prob made him do this
Almost makes me think Evan and reps threw so hal would leave the team.
Now youre about to loose viewer ship for something that should've been private
i think he'll be alright lol
Sad to see old comrades falling off.
This is like watching best friends when they stop being friends so all they do is talk aboit eachother after 😂 what's dumb is all of the sudden all this stuff is coming out. Does it even need to be discussed on stream ? Couldve kept it simple we all know hal must be hard to play with
“I joined purely for the viewership” it kinda changes your perspective on the “Apex’s most positive player” award 🙄🙄🙄
Are you stupid? he literally explained that it was Hal and them that said that he should join TSM because it would be more beneficial in the long term😂 so he made the decision of joining them😅 y’all just be hating for no reason💀
I don't see how. It's a job and as any other job, you want to be paid as much as you can get. It's literally your future.
"You can't be a positive person if you make smart business decisions" - Apex viewer
you think hes grinding a video game, to not make $$? come on now.
It clearly showed his intent is based on money. It says a lot about his character. He got into a toxic situation for the bag and now is acting like a child over it. Fair enough initially but I’m saying now his positive persona fades into a whiny kid when things got hard he quit playing the game. Money didn’t matter at that stage did it
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand him not playing bc he doesn’t like playing with Hal? Like.. just play ranked with other pros then.. not wanting to play with 1 person isn’t an excuse for not playing/practicing the game
not surprised
Hal probably wouldn’t have been annoying if they put the work in. 🤷♂️
nope, defo would still be annoying LMAO
Annoying is being nice..... It's got to be miserable playing with someone that berates you after mistakes or not being on the same page as them.
@strokes3345 all verhulst had to do was put in the work and he wouldn't be miserable from making mistakes, and actually be on the same page as him. 😂
@@beerdo Oh yeah, cause that's definitely going to change someone who's toxic every time they lose from being a dick.... LOL.
@strokes3345 better than choosing to be a toxic dick after
your teammate has clearly given you plenty of opportunities to speak up like an adult.... LOL
Verhulst gets with Acie would be the best revenge for him
so basically what we take from this is.. Hal pushed Mac away, pushed Snip3 away and now pushed Evan away (this case Hal left, but you get it).. but in no case Evan should've shared all of this info online, he needs to learn that he doesnt need to share everything with his chat or this lil apex world, he'll understand soon enough, bcs this made him look bad. If he has a agent or personal manager, the agent or manager will tell him this.
Hey chat, add Acie to the list.
@@the_joy_n_sorrow acie? that I cant say shii bcs Hal is 100% a different person off stream, a person with 1 brain cell can easily see that, so him being with acie gotta be a even way different person. I can only give my 2 cents on what we see and saw.
Let me break this down for you, Hals personality is he wants to win and has going to express everything and point out everything wrong to win. He did not push them away they are just weak mentals. You are on the #1 ORG in the GAME, everyone loves you and adores you take a little shit from your IGL so you can still be the top DOG. Mac literally said this today or yesterday that he wished he still had teammates to yell at him to get it right because you find out that the people who don't get upset don't care. That's all I'm seeing is people who are being little pussies EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY OF APEX LOVES YOU, 1 person bitches you out just because they want to win and you cry about it. Look at Hals team now they still yell at each other talk shit to each other and they dropped 100+ points in scrims and won like 4 Scrim blocks in a row.
I think he does bro, 85% of apex viewers watch hal and dont care about other pros opinion, grind, or mindset. People don't treat the other pros like people and shit on them constantly for just playing a game.
I think Evan should speak his truth most apex viewers really only give a fuck about hal. Alot of people have a problem of not thinking of the pros as people bro and the hate in this game is digusting sometimes. Never gonna hate Evan, dude never backtracked on shit he just elaborating since people put words in his mouth. The biggest problem with apex fans is not the gossip its the making stories up about people they dont even watch.
u guys can talk shit about velhurst all u want but him being honest about how he feels is respectable enough yes i know verlhurst said some things he shouldn't have but at the end of the day its important to be honest.
there's being honest and then there is airing out your dirty laundry in a public space. This is not stuff the general public needs to know.
@@mrschnimy9322 exactly, Evan is entitled to feel however he feels, everyone has their own perception and point of view. However, mature people talk about these types of thoughts and issues privately with a few chosen confidants and possibly a mentor seeking advice and reflect, but airing this out publicly to his twitch chat, well that is just sad, pathetic and immature. Evan is still young, so his immaturity is to be expected i suppose, but this manufactured drama was unnecessary and self-inflicted by Evan himself.
For me, this paints him in a different light now, and he doesn't come across as the wholesome classic good guy anymore. He seems to be only nice to people in front of their face and on camera, but behind the scenes he is not honest about how he feels and he represses his thoughts and feelings and then snaps. The whole part where he is laughing about almost punching Hal at Champs because Hal kept bringing up the same mistake that cost them a lot of points was eye opening into Evan's personality. He said the main reason he didn't resort to violence was because he knew it would end his e-sports career. Certainly that is true, and certainly that is sound logic, but it is still concerning to me that he was laughing about this memory and his only reasons upon reflection were those of a robot.
He doesn't actually seem to care or feel bad for having such thoughts about wanting to beat the shit out of his co-worker \ igl \ supposed friend. The things Evan said about hal are not the types of things you would say about a friend IMO regardless of their work issues and relationship.
@@vinceyoungrulezEvan getting mad at his coworker for nonstop whining about what he did at work during dinner shows that his personality is fake? What are you even talking about? Pretty sure he said the main reason he didn't really do anything is because he wasn't actually angry enough to do so. Evan literally admitted that he only said that because he was pissed but really it would take a lot more to actually make him hit someone.
Just because he shouldn't say this stuff online, why does this mean he must secretly be some malicious person?
I love seeing people think this is the worst drama. This is literally the most normal, measured kind of analysis about things that happens ever. People today are soft if they think life = DRAMA
I love watching all the e-sports kids think this is mega dramatic. This just sounds like business as usual when you're in a competitive business and things get rough. For traditional sports I'd say this drama is a 3 out of 10. I get what he's saying and all their behaviors were pretty obvious this was how it was going during the last few splits and comps. Both Falcons and TSM are doing well though so game on!
I always knew evan was too inmature to play with hal. He was too young when he entered tsm. Hal is like a soldier
Sorry, but if you're not willing to put in the grind you deserve to lose. If I was Hal I'd be pissed and would've left as well. Evan needs to learn how to take heat and shrug it off. Lost a lot of respect for him after this, especially due to knowing he wasn't putting the work in to win.
Wanting to fight or punch someone ?
Inexcusable 😡
Weak mentality, as a 30+ yo man, this is weak. But i enjoy it
Soy drama
Hal dont fucking care. He is millionair makes big money on falcon and they win the algs for sure so sorry but how cares 🤣
you!
Evan been playing horrible for a long time , he hasn’t improved at all .
Ravens a fake coach and hals a sellout lol
It has been stated multiple times that Hal’s contract on the falcons is essentially the same monthly revenue.
If he’s a sell out for leaving and wanting to win sure? But why are you competing if you’re not there to win. This is a business not a place for “fun”
@Nathan123.. why join dz @all then? I understand that business is business, but from tsm to dz to falcon is lame lol
@@ElFrankie562 to win? Hal will go down as the greatest apex player ever. Why would you not go play with the other 2 greats and generate an endless money glitch ? All of these guys are here for a paycheque and to win.
@Nathan123.. hey, if you can't beat them, then join them right.
@@ElFrankie562 Cause Hal respects Zero as an IGL and would rather play as a fragger which would be impossible at TSM.