*SPOILERS!* SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME! HAWKEYE FINALE! - FMB 12/22/2021
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- Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin zoom into the Scum & Villiany Cantina to talk ALL THINGS Spider-Man-No Way Home, the Hawkeye Finale, and more! WARNING: There be spoilers here!
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peter lost literally everything in these movies.. and he still puts on the mask. thats spiderman to a tee. thats why people respect and love him so much. with great power comes great responsibility
The saddest part of this movie is that Stan Lee didn't get to see it, he would've loved seeing all three spider-men together I think.
I didn't even think of that til your comment.... That is quite tragic!
and that he wasn't able to be in it...
Yeah! When I was watching Harry Potter reunion without Alan Rickman, I reminded again that stan Lee was not no way home.
It was really heart breaking moments.
RIP Alan Rickman and RIP Stan Lee.
@@nathanielclark529 same 😔
If he were still alive, I would have the perfect cameo for him. Maybe in a post credit scene or something, MCU Stan runs into two other Stan Lee's from the Raimiverse and the Webbverse. Then the three recreate the Spiderman pointing meme. Lol
News : Michael Keaton is Batman in Batgirl movie : 11:30
Hawkeye finale : 21:40
Spider-Man : No Way Home talk : 41:42
Top 9 rank of Marvel's 2021 offering 1:32:31
The Matrix Resurrections : 1:42:53
Audience Q&A : 2:01:52
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I feel like the emotional detachment between Holland's Parker and the villains in this movie was an intentional choice, because it shows that Spider-Man doesn't necessarily need skin in the game to do the right thing, he just does it.
Also, even after Norman had killed May and that emotional aspect was there, he still did the right thing in the end.
Yep definitely intentional. Or skin in the game is him caring. That’s a greater show of heroism. I get Marc’s point but the writers wrote the hell out of the movie to make all the weird Sony stuff work I.e “I fell into a tank of eels”, “I fell into a hadron collider”.
Also, theoretically, vulture and mysterio were villains because of Tony stark and Peter gets caught up in it. It feels like these three “home” films had a deliberate theme.
The price of admission was paid off in 2 ways for me. Garfield's brilliant reaction to saving MJ and (and I can't believe no one brings this up) "You know, I'm something of a scientist myself."
Also all the peters pointing at each other like the meme
@ren2250 Both of those lines are things the character says normally. It's not like they were contrived.
Clint knowing about Yelena didn't ever feel like a retcon to me. Natasha and Clint have ALWAYS been portrayed as extremely close friends, heck, Clint was gearing up to name his new child after her in Age of Ultron. That's a CLOSE friend.
I'd imagine Clint knew about Yelena, Nat's "family" and the entire Ohio mission Natasha was part of for years before this, lets not forget Loki tells us in Avengers that Clint knows EVERYTHING about Natasha's past, because she had told him when she defected, so I doubt she'd be very selective with her sharing, he'd know about this too.
And he probably was told about how they had met up again between the events of Black Widow and Infinity War, they even might have discussed it in Endgame either while travelling in space to get the Soul Stone.
That’s right man. Loki threw drakovs daughter in her face in that first avengers movie. That was all Clint. He knew
Green Goblin was so bad ass in this movie! That fighting scene in the building when peter is punching him and he just laughs and power bombs him through the building 🔥🔥🔥
The problem with using Vulture or Mysterio in NWH is that their issues were very human. They broke under very human circumstances eg jealousy, poverty, anger, etc... you cannot fix human. The other villians had superhuman issues you can physically fix. Peter Parker is not a psychologist.
That’s pretty great insight… well said!
Wow. That was so so wonderfully put omg
If you think about it, with what Peter learnt from Tony in Homecoming and from Mysterio in Far From Home and add that to Aunt May's death, the great power great responsibility line and the hand made Spiderman suit at the end of No Way Home then this trilogy has essentially been one giant origin story.
I personally liked that mcu Peter wanted to help the villains without knowing them. It shows that he's a proactive hero. Not every villain needs a personal connection. His drive as a hero is to stop bad guys being bad
I'm in this weird millennial zone where my nostalgia powers have activated for both No Way Home with Tobey, who was my first Spider-Man, and for the Flash with Keaton, who was my first Batman. It's insane and incredible that these nerd fan fiction fever dreams (and I mean that as lovingly as one can when invoking the term 'fan fiction') have actually come to life in massive official Hollywood productions.
Same here I’m 35 and I feel the same about Keaton and tobey
My favorite Holland moment has to be in No Way Home with Jonah Jameson narrating while Peter stands at his lowest point in the rain in front of the billboard. So damn iconic. It gave me chills.
I think the fact that Peter was willing to risk so much for villains/people he didn't know helped illustrate his selfless heroism much more than if he were trying to "fix" villains he feels like he created.
Okay, this is a stretch, but since NWH picks up at the end of FFH with Mysterio, technically we do get 6 Spiderman villains in the movie. He doesn't fight them all at once, but Mysterio's actions still play a role in NWH, which Peter is trying to fight with the help of Dr. Strange.
Alternatively, Venom was brought into (and sent away from) the MCU the same time as the other 5 villains. They just never got around to joining up with them since they spent that whole time getting drunk at a beach.
8. Spider-Man's biggest villain JJJ was there too.
yep yep yep
The point of him not having his own villain was to build character. They weren’t his problem… it made sense just to send them back but he had to realize that helping people is not a choice, it’s a responsibility he has because he has the power to do so… and then to have May be killed by one and things get more personal than ever before as a result of his actions, he must find a place within him that pushes through the guilt and regret and maintain his resolve . Having his villains kill may wouldn’t have hit him as hard or helped to define his character as much
That was beautiful. "Helping people is not a choice, it's a responsibility because you have the power to do so"
A bunch of Aunt Mays showing up at the end seems like a really terrible idea to me. Solid episode today though, boys!
Really does. The other Aunt Mays don't mean anything to him. They wouldn't help. Seeing that other versions of himself have been through does.
I thought he was going to say iron man comes back to give him the lesson, either way I prefer the version we got
That whole scenario made me cringe so hard. Thank god someone like Mark isn't in charge of these movies lol 🙏
@@nightcrawler2884 same when he suggested Happy show up in an Iron Man suit like….what? Paraphrasing here but also “every Aunt May from every universe ushering a chorus of with great power comes great responsibility” is legit one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard in my life lol
Worst idea ever! Cringe all around! By the way...Happy was in prison. The movie was perfect.
Disagree with Marc's criticism about not having Holland's villains, because it would only be Vulture and Mysterio. Both Toombs and Beck weren't transformed into physical or mental monsters like the rest of them, they were normal guys, there's nothing about them that needed to be "fixed" that wasn't out of their own control.
I see what you mean. I feel like a lot of MCU villains don't need to be "fixed" because some of them are written to have legit grievances and critiques against the heroes. If anything, maybe they just need therapy and perspective lol
Vulture, Killmonger, Loki, Mysterio, and even Thanos had certain legit complaints about humanity like profiting off of war, violence, suffering, and subjugation. They are far more relatable than the classic "a science accident has turned me into a completely different creature and now I must destroy everything" kind of moments.
@@justinharris2320 And I would go so far as to think Toombs was semi-reformed at the end of Homecoming, if he was a really bad guy he would've told Gargan who Spider-Man is, instead he covered for Peter and protected his identity.
I agree and though it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers others, Vulture and Beck were they way they were more because of Stark than Peter so I don't see how it would have worked.
I like Marc's point of the whole middle of the movie to have more emotional weight to Tom. It did seem like the start and end were more thought out vs the middle of the movie.
Marc always had to find something negative. Even when someone is just fine the way it is. Some people are just overly critical and nitpicky I guess.
"Matt Murdock catches a brick without looking."........ He does everything without looking
Ha! Couldn't have said it better myself!
The line “with great power there MUST ALSO come great responsibility” is the correct quote from Amazing Fantasy #15. It’s always been mis-quoted in the movies… until now!
Agreed, that "stick and a string" line does wonders to clarify how heroic Clint Barton is. And by the way, they did borrow that line from Matt Fraction; it appears in the fourth panel of his run on Hawkeye.
Nice
Kingpin’s outfit was probably the most comic book accurate costume we’ve gotten so far. The “Hawaiian” shirt is from his look in Family Business.
27:43
Aunt May's line was more comic accurate than any cinematic Uncle Bens
Love how excited Kevin gets when his wife goes to see Marvel movies or watches the shows with him. Liking this stuff is only half the fun. Sharing that excitement and having it come back around though... Can't beat that.
For Marc to say he loves the movie is really something.
The worls Aunt May says are the original ones in the comics - The phrase was simplified with time to "with great power comes great responsibility", but in the movie they are using the original Stan Lee words.
i think Marc's comments at approx 37mins about the show being insular are fair, but the dialogue also name dropped in both instances, which would have created intrigue with the viewer. Clint says "that's who I've been worried about this whole time, the Kingpin" and in the Yollena scene, he says "someone hired a black widow" which should connect the viewer to the gravitas of the person being of a similar capability to Natasha. I think the show runner did a great job of taking something and making accessible to the casual viewer.
its the MCU you have to keep up. Disney doesn't have to explain who every character is. That is up to the viewer. I doubt any random people would sit down to watch a show about super archers.
@@purefoldnz3070 It's true that they don't have to explain everything, but it's also true that statistically speaking, Hawkeye is almost certainly someone's first Marvel media they're exposed to. The OP is right about the importance of those lines of dialogue in the show to help the audience follow along. Too much exposition is bad, but too little is also bad. I think the show had a pretty good balance.
@@Cuuniyevo unlikely its someone's first Marvel show. It would be something like the new Spiderman movie not a tv show about a couple of archers.
@@purefoldnz3070 there’s no way that there isn’t a ton of extended families with children that are watching this show without having seen or didn’t retain the plots of literal hundreds of hours of mcu canon content
I'm surprised no one mentioned when Goblin stabbed Tobey's Spider-Man during the review. I got real nervous thinking he was going to die.
They probably just missed it or forgot to bring it up. There was a lot of other stuff to talk about. They didn't mention my favourite bit either, although to be fair it was a very small moment. I also wondered if that was it for Tobey's Spidey.
You ain't kidding, man! When my descriptive audio narration headset announced what was happening, I imagine my mom probably heard me cussing Norman out several states away. Lots of surprised exclamations in our theater when that happened.
We should of seen Toby's Spidey sense go off.. but he ignores it to stop Holland from killing goblin. But hey... I freaking loved it!
@@Jamesd9518 Toby's Spider-Sense never worked against the goblin in his movie.
Andrew honestly stole the show.. he acted his ass off and you really felt for him. He really cares about spiderman and i would love it to see his version continue. Thanks to the multiverse it can happen. I love the idea of Andrew and Tom Hardy being in the same universe. The With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility line, this movie made it clear that is the 1 constant in these spiderman universes.
One of my favorite parts of the show was how Hawkeye had to ice his entire body. It really drove the point home that he doesn't have special powers like fast healing or advanced brain power. Hawkeye and Black Widow seem to be the best of humanity because they aren't that special, physically. But their heart is what made them great! Also, they both had great redemption stories. Redemption is a huge theme in the story of humans.
You say not that special physically but I'd still argue compared to most humans their physicality is elite. Elite fighters and trainers and their knowledge has been shown to be well above even advanced spy networks around the globe.
@@mr.monroe4076 yes but practice and dedication got them to that point of elite. It could just as easily have been untapped talent (in another universe Natasha would have not been traumatized into being an assassin as a child).
@@mr.monroe4076 Obviously they are both in the top percentile of human based on endurance, skills, and even analytical problem-solving. Nobody is debating that. When I say "not that special' it is assumed we are all discussing this in context of beings like The Hulk, Thor, or Vision. I'm not comparing Hawkeye to a high school coach lol
Thanks, Kevin & Marc, for being your wonderful selves despite some of your commenters. I think Peter & MJ had one of the most passionate moments in the MCU w/their goodbye kiss at the end of this movie. Incredibly sweet & moving.
Kevin getting annoyed with the internet is so lovely lol I loved that, I feel the same way.
Agreed.
It's almost scary to see Kev show a little bit of legit anger.
Don't know if its been said here but I read/heard an idea that the different Peters represents different times in his life. Tobey is old man Spider-man, he has figured shit out and is married to MJ. Andrew is something in the middle, angry and bitter that he didn't save Gwen and as he mentions has stopped pulling his punchens and Tom's Spider-man is naive and hasn't the experience the other two have.
They represent all 3 generations too, Tobey with the Gen X, Andrew with the Millennials, and Tom with Gen Z, it was cool seeing all 3 generations come together.
Respect to Kevin and Marc for this still being free and fun
Love your take on no way home Kevin. Your commentary on the film almost brought me to tears.
Aunt May died and she was the only one that did the right thing that night.
Uncle Ben died and he was the only one who did the right thing that night too. I loved this part about the movie so much, it's poetic. It makes the 3 movies an orgin story too with the ending.
Aunt May didn’t paraphrase. She said it correctly. “With great power, there must also come…great responsibility!” It’s the actual line from the last box of the first spider-man appearance comic. The truncated version in the other movies is the paraphrased version. :P
Spiderman is and always has been the ultimate super hero. I've actually heard some comic creators say he's "whiney" or even "self centered" while those same creators touted heros like Batman and Superman. Pfft! Spidey is a kid... and he came from nothing, and STILL has nothing. Yet he still does the right thing, no matter the cost to himself. You really can't say that about any other super hero.
You ain't Spider-Man until Goblin ruins your life
46:56 This is so true, I watched it Friday evening when it was basically still a premiere night and the energy was incredible, the crowd cheered, laughed, gasoed and enjoyed the emotional Rollercoaster throughout together, true cinematic experience! I then went again on a matinee showing Wednesday and you could tell this was the casual movie going crowd, what a difference and the main reason I love going premiere nights!
I went a day before premiere at matinee time and it was a bit more casual but a few off us were screaming our heads off.
Problem was that Dr. strange learnt magic from books where warnings came after spells
The Goblin becomes Holland's villain by killing Aunt May. Not sure what Marc is talking about given the events that unfold. The movie does give him a personal stake in changing the villains. He tried to help and even trusted Goblin, who May introduced him to and urged him to help. Goblin's betrayal and his obsession with Holland's Peter make him Holland's Spider-Man's main antagonist in the film. Marc always nitpicks silly things it seems to be contrarian.
Marc things he gets character growth more than he does and he struggles to see obvious development and instead tries to dig deep and find something that isn’t there and never was. I don’t understand why he acts like he’s the smartest guy in the room with virtually no mainstream success under his belt. Kevin is self aware enough to realize he would be out of his league to helm a big Marvel Movie. Marc seems to think he can do it better than everyone.
@@Michael-mu5wg To me, Marc acts as the people in the comment section, he thinks he can get the best version of the movie from within rather than being satisfied with what he's seen.
Spider-man does not face a villain from his own history: not counting Mysterio. Had there been that history then Spidey may have been biased and not considered helping them but seen them as adversaries to defeat. If I am correct to what you refer then Marc is spot on!
@@Michael-mu5wg It seems everyone is missing an obvious point that is not unique to Mark. He is a writer who is always thinking of how he can do it different or better. To put it another way, how many times have we heard a singer sing another artists song thinking their version is better? Happens all the time with very different results. It's what creative people do. I don't know why some of you take Marc's writing opinions so personally. It's like you are offended a smart guy thinking he is smart. Would you prefer he just sit there and stare at the camera for 3 hours? I don't agree with everything he says either but I enjoy his takes none the less.
@@Lofty1783 Spider-Man faces his greatest villain in this movie. JJJ is the one that ruins his life.
I love that they had Andrew enter in the suit and Tobey in plain clothes, representing what seems to be the internet consensus; Andrew was a better Spiderman and Tobey made a better Peter Parker.
Didnt think about this but I totally agree.
Another cool detail at the end was toms new comic accurate suit has both Tobey and Andrews logos on it
@@CJJC42 really? Missed that. I thought it was just his classic suit.
@@CJJC42 I hope Andrew also took cues from Hollands Peter. I don't mind if they give Andrew a live action version of the ps4 suit
Anyone who thinks Spider-Man and Peter Parker are different doesn't know the character.
Can we just all ageee, that everyone who saw the film were fans in a way. But one person didn’t get to see the film, Stan Lee… he would of been so proud of this film and what it accomplished. Thank you Stan Lee
Very teary eyed watching it .if u don't cry watching it then u are no spiderman fan !!!!
I was able to avoid most spoilers for No Way Home. I finally saw it last night… I’m excited for this episode
Marc is spending the winter at the Overlook Hotel
"What if all the Aunt May's showed up" man that'd be dumb af
I think Marc had a point about the disconnect between Peter and the villains. However, given that this spiderman trilogy is really an origin story for spiderman, it make sense to me that Peter would be extremely idealistic about what a hero would be and niave enough to think that saving the day is as simple as fixing/curing the villains. Once, Peter has to confront his youthful naivete and realize being a hero is more nuanced and complicated, the audience can truly feel/appreciate the gravity of Peter's dilemma and how heroic it is to choose hard path of right, over the ease of revenge in the name of justifiable anger. Not only that but to make that choice knowing it will long, narrow and lonely path. So, ultimately I think you need that time hanging out with those villans to feel like Peter had real growth.
Except that's what he was supposed to have learned from the last movie, where he trusts Mysterio, and realizes he shouldn't have. And I think everything you used to explain that makes no sense. Whoever thinks Peter actually made sacrifice in this movie hasn't sacrificed anything. This movie did nothing except wipe out his MCU continuity while soft rebooting him into a different Spider-Man. Most people aren't even friends after high school. Peter just invited enemies over who he has no idea who they are, easily trusts them, has his aunt may killed, then has Strange reverse everything because he feels like an idiot. That's the farthest thing, and the gravity of Peter's situation? What gravity? A villain from another universe killed his aunt. Go to another universe, get another aunt may, she clearly exists in other realities. There are zero stakes in this movie, and who really gives a shit about ned leeds becoming a villain or even him and MJ reuniting. I'd rather see him make friends with Harry and find Gwen or actual Mary Jane.
@@wholelottastairway8 well I disagree with your disagreement to the original post. I’d say he doesn’t learn that lesson from Mysterio. I’d say that the sacrifice he makes in the the end is a real sacrifice and as someone who’s made sacrifice before that Peter’s sacrifice was a genuine sacrifice. So I reject your notion that the original post explanation makes no sense. So there’s that, I suggest you take your hard earned money and use it to watch it again because you clearly missed some things.
Marc doesn’t seem to understand growth like most people do. He said he thought it was weird and uncharacteristic that Quill would have attacked Thanos when he found out Gamora was dead. Like Quill was some master leader. And also, Quill was in love. That wasn’t a logical decision, but it sure was a human one. And somehow Marc didn’t understand that.
From a practical standpoint, including any villian from holland's run would demand too much on the story. Frankly, this movie introduces 5 villians, who, to the unitiated, would already be a big ask. Adding a villian that connects better to this spiderman would demand a some writing gymnastics.
@@JohnnySturdivant Telling me I missed something in an MCU movie is hysterical. Where have you been for 10 years? Hell, I saw Spider-Man 2002 in theatres, did you?
I was born in 87. So Keaton Batman was the start of my childhood. Movies I grew up watching on vhs. Toby's Spiderman trilogy came out when I was in high-school and I always loved the bad guys. And Matrix came out around the same time. I am super nostalgic about all of this.
I fucked off and went to see the Spider-Man finally, now I'm here for it
Hawkeye was a brilliant example of disability representation regardless whether or not the person playing the part has said disability. Hawkeye being partially deaf (canonically accurate) and the deaf assassin Maya Lopez. Hiring Alaqua Cox was Marvel going the extra mile for representation. Her performance and those around her were phenomenal.
I’m sorry but Cox was the weakest spot. Her performance was poor. She was overacting a la Michelle Rodriguez, trying to be too tough to the point she looked silly. The low part of the series imo.
@@maxducoudray Try pulling that off without any verbal dialogue.
@@wesleycolvin7158 Marlee Matlin was great at it back in the 80s/90s.
Hahahaha..... Love these dudes!! Never fail to entertain, inform and make me laugh. Merry Xmas, Kevin and Marc.... And everyone else.
CW's Arrow proved that a guy with a Stick and String can be a bad ass for 7 and a 1/2 years. Why doesn't some of that appeal translate to Hawkeye?
7 1/2 years is being generous
Hawkeye has been a bad-ass with a stick and string for 10 years in the MCU. Which beats a massively over generous 7 and a 1/2 years for CW's Arrow IMO. Hawkeye doesn't need that appeal to translate, he has more than enough of his own and it's got stronger over time. Unlike Arrow.
I saw Spider-Man No Way Home in theaters yesterday with my parents, and it was absolutely amazing with it's plot, characters, writing, CGI effects, and the return of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. I give it a watch for fans of Spider-Man for sure.
Isn’t it hilarious how Kevin smith has become Jay and Silent Bob reading internet comments in real life
It's not just nostalgia, Gen-x creatives are coming back to unify us. It's a lesson, be compassionate, lend a hand, teach them the lessons from our failures. It was no accident that the Spider-Men were Gen-z, Millennial, and Gen-x respectively.
1. Spiderman no way home
2. Falcon & winter soldier
3. Loki
4. Wanda vision
5. Hawkeye
6. What if
7. Eternals
8. Shang chi
9. Black Widow.
Happy in a Hulkbuster suit? Couldn't believe the lads missed the "Hulk Hogan" gag !!! Boys it was right there !!
What would have made the movie perfect for me:
Garfield: You're in a lot of pain, aren't you?
McGuire: Yeah, yeah I am.
At this point, Garfield should have said "You gonna cry?"
The Mitchells vs the Machines is an underrated family film that had the feels in it, it should have been nominated but since it was sold to Netflix and no theatrical release they couldn't. Highly recommend it.
If happy showed up in an iron man suit. Then he would need a REALLY good lawyer.
and if he'd turned up in the Hulk Buster suit, they could have called him Hulk Hogan.
It was great that Garfield was "Spider-Man 3" when he didn't get a third movie.
I’ve read that the reason Garfield didn’t get the third movie was when the Japanese representatives from Sony actually didn’t want him anymore because he didn’t show up for several promotions for his second movie or promos for a third movie
I disagree with Marc. If you've not seen Daredevil, the climax of episode 5 still carries weight... instead of "Kingpin's back" the climax is the revelation "Kate, your Mom is the villain, your Mom hired the assassin to kill Clint, your Mom is the one in with the boss of the tracksuit gang"
It becomes a climax around a familial connection to Kate which she had, up to now considered sacrosanct
Have immensely enjoyed watching the at home and in bar Fat Man Beyond shows. Thanks Kev, Marc & Bamfman. Looking forward to more in 2022, happy new year.
For me:
1. Spiderman no way home
2. Lokii
3. Hawkeye
4. Wandavision
5. Shang chi
6. What if
7. Black widow
8. Eternals
I called andrews SM saving mj as soon as we got the trailer of her falling. You can tell hed been thinking about that moment for a long time, instead of trying to web her like he did gwen, he LAUNCHED himself towards her to save her
Picked up on 2 things watching it at home now, that I either forgot or didn’t know.
1- Even tho Ned talks about magic in his family, I think Strange actually gives Ned his powers during the spell casting. If u notice when Peter keeps interrupting Strange in the spell, The 3rd person he says is Ned and The word Ned glowing in the orange magic pops up and Strange looks at it and says “what’s a Ned” nd then just throws it down into the spell as 1 of the layers then obviously we see Ned open portals.
2- The scene Strange knocks Peter out of his body, when his spidy sense kicks in u see the same exact wavy lines above his head that u see all the spider people have in into the spider verse whenever their sense kicks in.
I’m so glad they committed to the multiverse Peter Parker’s and not doing a cop out like wandavision, way better …also agents of shield could still be cannon, albeit multiverse cannon
Same. it broke my heart that pietro wasn’t actually pietro
I could listen to Kevin talk about things he loves all day
Marc is so full of shit, with his "critiques"...give me a break and write your own stuff.....This movie was gold all the way through.
Thank you! Happy holidays and happy new year 🎉
People that complain about Spider-Man being friends with Iron man don't know Spider-Man. He's just filling the role Mr. Fantastic had in the comics.
Except Mr. Fantastic didn't give peter a suit, let alone 3 or 4, and his bodyguard didn't date peter's aunt. And his villains didn't become peter's villains
Have you even read these comics you're trying to refer to? Or you just saw some trivia video and think you can correct people now?
Just guessing here, but Spider-man caring about fixing the villains from other universes seems like an intentional choice since we're about to have a whole lot more of other universes colliding. They just showed here that it all matters.
Loved this video, and loved No Way Home. I never really judged you for talking about how you cry during movies. I've poked fun at ya for it, but I poke fun at myself for things like that all the time as well. That being said. This movie had me in tears several times lol. I was pretty much done with the MCU after Endgame. But I will always go see a Spider-Man movie.
Happy Holidays and God Bless.
Happy showing up in a Hulk Buster suit would have made him Hulk Hogan
2:09:18 you’re totally right Marc. A dream from Morpheus would be a great gift for everyone.
Recently I had a horrible day. I hadn’t had a dream in weeks but that night vividly my dad came and gave me a big hug. I was crying in my dream it was so nice
Really surprised Loki is so low on y’all’s list. It was easily 2nd best for me.
Does anyone have the time stamp for when he starts crying?
I would argue if you know the comics a little, that pic made sense. I never seen an episode of Netflix's Daredevil, but I could see that, that was Kingpin
SPOILERS...
Commenting on Marc's idea to call on the other multiverse Aunt Mays..
None of those Aunt Mays they could have brought in would have had a personal connection with Tom Holland's Spiderman. That would have been a fan service for fans but not have an impact on the character of Tom Holland's Spiderman.
It would have been exactly like in Rise of Skywalker when Lando tells Poe the calvary was there. Completely unearned.
I think while none of the villains were from this MCU version of Spidey, the fact that they crossed over because of MCU Parker's botched spell, is what gave him the personal connection to them and why he felt a personal responsibility to fix them before sending them back.
I love that this is a real origin story for this Peter Parker. In all the "great powers" speech that came before, Uncle Ben was a given.. we knew it had to happen but the loss didn't hurt us the viewer in that same emotional impact as it did when Aunt May said it in this version, then bought it. That twist was powerful.. impactful, heart breaking.. for us as it was for this Peter Parker.
Based on this movie, I would have loved to see a continuation of Amazing Spiderman's franchise with a darker Spiderman who no longer pulled punches.. almost like an Injustice Spiderman. How cool would that have been?
Seeing Peter looking out the window of that shitty ass NYC apartment made me burst into tears in the theater, and then when he went out of the window in the new costume I fucking died. Those last few minutes meant everything to me as a Spidey fanboy.
Man this morning's wake and bake hurt rest in peace Marty
I read something on Twitter today about the reason he made the new suit. Its just a random comment, but it said that he HAD to make a new one cause all the Stark built suits no longer recognize him. He didnt want to make a new fabric suit with none of the tech that was in the old suits.... he had to make a new one cause he didnt exist to the old suits anymore. That blew my mind and is actually pretty heart breaking when you think about it
Marc thinking falcon WS was better than the other D+ things looses big respect point's from me.
It was a surprise. WS was definitely last imo.
those scenes still hold weight and context outside of , "Oh its Yelena!" or "Oh it's Kingpin!"
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Does anyone else find it annoying that Kevin won't sit still while Mark is talking? If someone was dancing around in front of me while I was talking, I'd get the feeling that they weren't really listening and were just waiting for their turn to speak. Which is probably what's happening.
Spiderman: On a corporate side, now a solid springboard for... I mean... just imagine it.
I'm glad I'm back. I've missed Marc hyper observations on films. He always notices the things us non writer's see
I assumed the reason Kate shot Kingpin in the chest with the arrow was to show everyone that he could survive a gunshot. It still wasn't perfect by any stretch, but it could've been worse
I wonder if he wears body armor under his suits. I forgot that Melvin Potter fellow worked on a lot for Wilson, so I'd imagine he's found someone else to design it for him. The descriptive audio narration track didn't mention any blood on the arrow, so I just figured the guy was prepared. Then again, there's only so much time for these tracks to describe things, so there could have been blood unbeknownst to me.
@@radartechnicianbob8208 I think you're right and he's wearing body armour. Having said that I think it also helps that he's built like a brick shit house, lol!
@@jamesallred460 Right on!
Note to all dvd makers: please fix the sound quality, the dialogue is always so low you have to crank up the volume, but then the action starts and you get blasted because the sound is so high. You end up going crazy with your woman nagging you to turn it down.
Kev wearing cow hat, speaking of a 1 religion of cinema, riding on that energy
I fundamentally disagree with Mark's criticism about the villains not being his. The fact that he makes the right decision despite the fact that their lives mean nothing to him personally is extremely powerful and makes that decision all the more impactful. He could have easily said just zap them back, and give me my life back. But his moral compass is so powerful that he is impelled to save them anyway despite the fact his life is ultimately not affected if those characters go back and get killed. Despite the fact that by saving them he is inherently putting his life as he knows it at risk. That is far more difficult of a decision then if his life would be personally affected by the fate of one of his own villains.
I count Mysterio as a villain in this movie too. Everything that takes place is because of him.
Nah.
Wasn't even Mysterio though. Maybe in the multiverse there is a real Mysterio!
Actually is JJJ.
@@DarthPuke This Mysterio was plenty real.
God forbid should Marc actually try to enjoy anything instead of ripping it apart. Jesus Christ. What a miserable life he must live. For the love of fuck. Vulture and Mysterio wouldn't have shown up because they are part of this Spiderman's universe, not part of a different universe. If the Vulture from another universe happened to come through, so would have a completely different Spiderman that no-one knows and still wouldn't have any connection with tom Holland. God damn.
I saw NWH by myself, and enjoyed it much more than with the person I saw it with later. It's about who you're with. This person simply doesn't enjoy things anymore.
Also, people have been crying "the end of theaters" since the days of VHS tapes, and yet theaters are still here and going strong. It's a totally different experience from at home on your TV with a small group of people close to you.
Marc agrees with me that Hawkeye is the best Disney+ show so far. Thank you!
I had a bit of an issue with the retcon that Aunt May is this Spiderman's "Uncle Ben". If you remember in Civil War, Peter tells Tony that the reason he does what he does is because if he has these powers and he doesn't use them, then people get hurt and then it's your fault...that sounds very much like Uncle Ben. I always felt that Uncle Ben's death DID happen to Holland's Spiderman. We just met him later on in his life. Likewise, in a later movie when, I wanna say Ned, starts to tell Peter "with great power comes..." Peter snaps at him and goes "don't! Don't you finish that sentence!". Uncle Ben happened for Holland. Same as all the other iterations of Spiderman. It felt like the wrong move to imply that it didn't
That was into the spiderverse when he snaps about the responsibility line.
I have to say, everytime something comes out about Batgirl, it gets me more excited for the film.
All of MCU Spider-Man's appearances before NWH is essentially the equivalent of "Spidey becomes a wrestler" part of his origin.