How in the World Did Scott Frost Not Work at Nebraska?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- The Common Fans bring you Episode 5 of The Reckoning series. This episode, featuring long time Nebraska reporters Evan Bland and Brandon Vogel, focuses on the question: How in the World Did Scott Frost Not Work at Nebraska?
The crew looks at:
-The absolute elation of Husker Nation when Frost was hired.
-His goal of combining Husker Power with Oregon speed.
-What if the Akron game hadn't been canceled?
-What if they get to a bowl game in Year 1?
-Struggles to adjust to the Big 10.
-Struggles to play complementary football.
-Struggles to get over the hump in close games.
-So many what-ifs. So many struggles.
-The COVID season.
-Reports of being late to practice, not calling recruits, lack of focus on details.
-How much do fans have a right to know?
-The weight of trying to get it right.
And so much more.
Special thanks to Brandon Vogel of the Counter Read for joining the Common Fans for all of The Reckoning episodes. Make sure to check out www.counterread.com for Brandon's excellent coverage of Nebraska football, college football, and other Nebraska sports.
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Let's hear from you Common Fans: if the Akron game hadn't been cancelled, would that have changed everything?
It's a fascinating hypothetical. Unfortunately the answer is, probably not.
Hell, the way things went, we could have lost that game. The issues were obvious after a couple seasons, and the rumors that came out (which you, kindly, did not dive into), even if they were only partially true, pointed to a lack of responsibility, planning, vision, and just about anything else you need to be a successful coach at a major program. He got lucky at UCF and walked into a program that was already set up for success.
We would've lost that game
I think we lose that game
This one hurt. 2021 will go down foe me as one of the most painful seasons to watch. That horrific MSU loss just killed me, and it never got better. We all wanted Frost to succeed, but he just wasn't the guy
I remember walking out of the stadium after the end of the Purdue game. The energy I felt from everyone around me was that of walking out of a funeral. Just a bunch of sadness and frustration
Hey, at least they had a good week of practice. Probably the best week of practice they’ve ever had.
That was every week.
Lol! Every freaking week!
Two things really struck me when SF was hired. 1. A lot of the fans thought he was going to change his scheme when he got here. They said either (he's gonna run Tom's offense or they said well he will have to. I asked the fans how will you feel when his offense allows other teams to rack up more yards and points. They told me that wouldn't happen.
2. SF is the oddest Nebraskan ever. Remember in the heart of the 90's he chose to not play for Nebraska. He also chose to live in places on the coast. He is the least like what typical Nebraskan would ever be like. While someone like Matt Rhule is much closer to what you would describe as someone like that.
Fantastic conversation with Evan. Really appreciated his candor and insight!
Evan is outstanding in this episode!
Remember first game we had against Akron. the storm that canceled the game. Almost was a sign from the football gods that this wasn't going to work out.
Scott Frosts horrific special teams lost us a lot of games
Shocking how bad they were...and how they never got better. Thanks for watching! GBR for LIFE!
Speaks to a broader lack of focus on details which seemed to plague the program his entire tenure. Thanks for watching!
Answer: Because the fans and media (yes, you're complicit) still obsess over issues like this almost two years later.
He’s not a ceo coach, he’s a play caller coach. And the pressure of the job got to him, reports are that he got pretty lazy once things weren’t going well and there were some personal ‘health’ issues that he struggled with probably daily
Drinking too much. Golfing too much. Avoiding the recruiting trails and blowing off visits all together..he was awful as a head coach in a power 5 school.
Drunk
One word.... cocaine. (joke) That's a rolling joke on our show.
This is a great open convo about this, and really we think the answer sits in the muddy blend of false bravado, insecurity, poor leadership skills and immaturity. A conversation we had a lot before his termination was focused on him "holding on too tightly". He was too invested in the program. Hindsight, we're not sure it was the program he was so tightly grasping, but his own personal achievement and gravitas.
Wow great joke.. not funny
@@user-oc2bq5vg8znah it’s definitely funny and also almost certainly true
How did Scott Frost not work out? If you believe the rumors are true..he and his buddy Matt Davidson treated the athletic dept. like freshman year in a fraternity. Use your imagination. He blew it.
Need a Mickey Joseph episode. There is a lot worth discussing there.
Loved this series. My opinion is that the Calahan and the Riley hires were horrible. I loved Pelini, but hated the bad losses and was OK he was let go. And Frosty... The Chosen One Star Wars reference is perfect. So disappointed that his tenure was such a train wreck. Still have fingers crossed that Rhule "saves" the program. And "saves" is not an overstatement...
The star wars reference is apt actually. It was just misplaced. Everyone thought they were getting a real Skywalker but they got the nepo-baby Kylo Ren.
@@Herbcatt1988 🤣🤣🤣Accurate!
The Illinois blowout and Minnesota loss vs basically their 3rd string in the Covid season was the nail in the coffin for me. I admittedly never thought he was gonna work not that I didn’t want him to. He was my favorite player when I was a kid and the reason why I’m still to this day a NY Jets fan. However I knew for a fact he wasn’t ready. His UCF squads both years played extremely undisciplined football it had just bounced their way in 17 where it hadn’t 16 when they went 6-7. You could really see in the 21 season where they played everyone really close that it wasn’t a talent issue. They had really good football players but they always found a way to beat themselves. I admit that I am not the common fan. I pretty much have disagreed with everyone on this series as well as the majority of our fanbase. I don’t think Scott Frost is a really good football coach. I do think he had potential to be one eventually. I think he out of all the coaches discussed in this series he is by far the worst one. He was given by far the most leeway. His tenure honestly made me hate our fanbase and question if I even wanted to be a fan anymore. Thinking back on it still pisses me off the amount of excuses I heard from blaming Riley to the refs or the big ten was out to get Nebraska. It was never the lack of halftime adjustments or the poor clock management or the blatant ignoring of special teams as a whole or the fact that not once did they have a year with a positive turnover margin. It was never the fault of coaching. Rhule has really restored a lot of confidence I have as a fan of this team but I don’t know if my confidence in the common fan will ever return. This series has shown me that y’all haven’t changed a lick. The most dedicated fans in the country surely but very far from the greatest. Thanks for reading.
Preface this by saying that I read this first and a lot resonated with me. Then I saw the name and I am pretty sure that I just replied to a post of yours on the Riley podcast. So you arent alone. Where I differ the most with you is that I was never a Frost fan, but I did think he was the right hire when it happened.
The excuses grew tiresome fast. I think the Rileys guys thing got play for a couple years and I can even recall some of the "I dont run the defense" or other throwing folks under the bus comments that would make a meme out of a Callahan type, but had plenty of defenders when Frost said it.
Following the 3-9 season I was pretty much told by some to stop being a fan if I wasnt ok with Frost continuing on. It was such an extreme take and Frost proved more divisive for fans than even Pelini.
@@patrickm7483 Yeah that was me. I was seeing the “look what Frost was given” spiel till the end pretty much. But yeah I was 9 in 97 so I just knew him as the QB and not really the person. I didn’t know about the Phillips stuff till I was an adult. The one that really bugged me was the if you aren’t a coach you can’t say anything about how bad they are. I was like btch I spend my hard earned money on merchandise and tickets and sports packages to support this team. I have every right to complain about the shitty product that I’m buying.
You are extremely wrong about the UCF team
@@leonzaduncan2438 I’m not but I’m curious as to why you believe that.
@@Herbcatt1988 Because as someone from Memphis I watch A LOT of UCF games. They had a great offense with a solid defense, speed everywhere with great play calling.
Good subject . I think Frost getting a huge contract $$$$ kind of changed him .
To start he brought everyone from UCF and those assistance were not big10 ready. Which of those guys works now at a big time job...any...I'll wait. Those OC, any working as an OC at a big time school. He was stubborn, egotistical, wanted to maybe relive some 'glory days' gambling, drinking, Larry's passing, not grounded.
Scott Frost. The savior of Nebraska football. How could one of our own, experienced a natty, not get us back? Early, did not understand B1G and what it took to win. Had AM2, but after the first year, didnt have the O line to protect him. By year 3, still no culture and it started downhill. Then the fishbowl took its toll on him personally. Dad died. All these are things I know. Cant speculate on other reasons. Fail to fire and bring in B1G coaches. I don't hate em. Just didnt work. I've moved on completely. Rhule is the guy. One way or another. Rhule is going to take us back. GBR ☠️☠️☠️☠️
i think there was one thing you didnt touch on that i think effected Frost quite a bit was his his dad passing away. specially with all the pressure he was under at the time. i think it was just a lot on his plate and it got overwhelming quick cause he is an alum and former player. media hounded him pretty good. also had a lot of guys on the team who didnt buy into what he was trying to do. i think there was some big factors that turned Frost away from wanting to be at Nebraska. i feel like he kinda gave up.
He is a drunk. It's not hard to figure out why it didn't work out!
He was too busy getting drunk and knocking up country club waitresses. He hardly even came to work.
Coach Frost had no passion or enthusiasm on the sidelines when he got to NE. I watched him coach at UCF and he had energy, brought energy to the team from the get go, I think he tried to be the stoic Coach Osborne and that only worked for TO. It almost looked like he knew he made a mistake but he was going to ride it out until they fired him? Plus, if the stories of his night life with his pal Matt Davison were half right, he made a poor role model for the team, which I think he lost very early in his tenure. Who knows for sure why, but glad he is gone.
Nah, Frost's demeanor was much different than Osborne's. Frost had plenty of energy on the sidelines, his issues as a head coach went far deeper than that.
Ok, I don’t agree about the energy but that’s ok.
The one thing that could have changed the wins an lostes is the not tackling all week long. What you do all week is the way you play in the game. Most of the one score loses could have been won if they tackled some of the tackles that were missed. You can not if you do not tackle all week long.
At least they weren't doing the wrong squats. Didn't the OWH have a special edition superhero comic book on the return of HC Scott Frost? Seriously, though, he was our Rich Rod. Dynamic offense at a lower tier but couldn't make things work in the Big 10.
The Rich Rod comparison is apt to a point and the offensive part is spot on. Where they differ is Rich Rod was an outsider, so if Callahan or Riley were known for dynamic offenses and failed like Frost, it would be perfect. I am guessing Rich Rod never had a comic book (how cringe was that?!?)..
What if somebody didn't try to find excuses for a Head Coach whose character proved unsuited to that level of responsibility?
We never should have extended him after year 3. Might’ve been the 2nd worst decision our athletics department made besides firing Pelini
Like Scott Fraudst gives one shit about his wife or family. Come on.
I felt like the golden child was our savior..i also had a strange feeling he was coerced or pressured into coming to Nebraska and he may have had reservations.. i also from the start after watching his body language and listening to him something seemed off but i ignored it . He seemed like he hated talking to the press and seemed unfriendly. .i supported Frost right up until the on side kick in Ireland and looking at him lost on the side lines like he checked out ...Now i hope he stays out of the state. I have lost all respect for the guy .
What did SF even mean when he said combine Husker Power with Oregon Speed? Like really think about that. I doubt you can combine that. He made some big mistakes with the team being surface level tough but actually pretty soft.
If you combine Husker Power with Oregon speed, you get Ohio State. If he could have achieved that a lot of issues would have been overcome.
I'm a Buckeye and I was scared that Frost was the "home run hire" Nebraska needed to become nationally relevant again. You never know
Like you said there's a lot of layers as to why it didn't work, but I think the overall lack of attention to detail was the root of most of the problems. Just to add another layer that didn't help anything that you guys didn't bring up (I'm sorry if you did and I missed it) was Scott's dad passing away in 2020.
To me it all comes down to one word. Character < the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. Scott lacked the full gamut of the qualities required to lead a complex organization like NU football. I think we all know of many examples or rumors of things that showed him failing in several areas. Tragic actually. Personally, I wish him the best.
He failed for three reasons: arrogance, failure to defend teams, and laziness! That defense throughout his years was like Bill Callahan’s defenses! Clueless and stupid! Hiring buddies who are poor coaches is just plain stupid! The RB coach/recruiting coordinator was the worst coach!
In hind sight, maybe journalists around husker football should leave his family out of spotlight. It's a fair request. Maybe Scott didn't feel welcome because unfortunately not all nebraska fans are good people.
Simple... our recruiting became soft under Riley...and Frost had to use those classes. Imagine if Frost came after Pelini or Callahan or Solich who all were better recruiters then Riley
All sorts of reasons. But here is the biggest. 1: He never managed to get the Inside Zone to truely work. I know 2 offenses really well from studying them. (Okay three if we include T.O.'s offense.) I understand the flexbone and the chip kelly system. The system is predicated on getting the inside zone to work consistently. Not the Zone read and not the bubble screen. Now I think part of this was the SF moved away from Chip's core system.
2: The hurry-up offense doesn't work as well in a grind-it-out league. Before people say anything what Chip/SF run was not what tOSU runs. It just isn't. The way to beat Chip/SF's system became to play very fundamentally sound. Stanford did it to him all the time after the 2011 season, (Stanford was also doing it in 2010 before they collapsed in the 2nd half of that game). So, moving to this league it was always going to be difficult in a league that for the most part still grinds wins out.
3. Development of players. SF (unlike Matt Rhule at Temple who had equal if not worse talent) played with a speed/talent edge at UCF. They also were pretty good (going to a BCS bowl the year before they went 0-12) and beating the team they played. SF never developed players well at all. He seemed to believe that his name (for one season alone) would attract top end speed guys who could beat opposing teams.
4. Run Game we have to look back at this again. I really think people were tricked into thinking we had a good run game 2018 - 2022. We did statistically have a good run game usually in the top 30 of college football. But outside of the 2018 season we never developed (and we are still struggling to find/develop) a running game that flows through the Running backs not the QB. QB rush yards are nice but they are not (unless you are Tebow) going to wear and tear the opposition down.
Nebraska’s demise started the day Tom Osborne retired. Solich, from ohio, was a bum! Pellini, from ohio & a buttnut grad, was the guy driving NU into the big 10 and off the cliff. The powers that “are” in the big 10, were not going to allow NU, after entry, to have any success. Frost’s failure was a calculated one.
I believe there's a curse hanging over Nebraska ever since bo pelini was let go. I hope the curse left when Nebraska fired scott frost.
The curse began incubating when they screwed Frank Solich. Can Pellini, and no one wants to go to a place where head coaches can average 9 wins a year and get canned.
Go..
@@TomHergenrader Solich was weak.
Baggage & alcohol
You're willing to forget that Phillips beat a woman and Scott stood up for her? How demented are you to think the PROGRAM is more important than do the right thing?
He didn’t stand up for her…he hid.
Alcohol
Drinking Problem
George leary set up ucf not frost
Huh? When O'Leary left they were 0-12. Frost had some of his guy there to turn things around so no O'Leary didn't set UCF up, in fact he bout ran them down
@@sorney98UCF had gone 10-4, 12-1, and 9-4 before that 2015 season where O'Leary left after they were 0-8. It sounds like he had wanted to retire earlier, but stayed on. I think the point people are making is that Frost didnt inherit a team as bad as that record looked. Maybe it is similar to Callahan ro Pelini in that respect.
@patrickm7483 if that's the case looking that far back then people need to do the same far as Callahan inherent Solich and Riley from Pelini.
To me I don't look at at 2, 3, 4 years before. It's what they did the season they were fired, resigned. Agree or disagree idc
@@sorney98I am not and never have been much of a fan of Frost, but I did think he was the right hire. Maybe I didnt have illusions of what he just accomplished at UCF, but I am not discounting what he did. I am pretty sure on the Callahan and Riley podcasts they mentioned expecting us to have a better record than we did in year 1. Even Rhule could have/should have achieved more than 5 wins. I think the main point on UCF or any of these is that the cupboard wasnt completely bare. I wouldn't be surprised if, looking back, Frost wishes he wasnt such a hot commodity. He seemed to enjoy himself a lot more there.
@patrickm7483 who know about the more wins, I honestly didn't think was possible for a bowl game last year but they were close.
As for Frosy, I thought it was right hire that unfortunately just didn't work out. We don't know if he wishes he wasn't a hot commodity or not. I'm sure he enjoyed at UCF, who knows what they would of been had he stayed
I blame it on powers beyond our own comprehension. Lightning storms and curses. That’s it.
Nepotism….
Maturity issues.
Let it fucking go
Bro they have been doing this for every coach fired after TO. It's just an off-season series they have been doing.
Quit being a fucking ass
Absolutely.....water under the bridge....
Look at this years team... PLEASE 🏈☠️🏈☠️🇺🇲🇺🇲‼️
Because he’s a bad coach and even worse person.
I tend to concur. Never rooted against Nebraska, but seldom rooted for Frost.
Who cares
Was it Scotts fault? He made one bad decision. He came to Nebraska when Nebraska was in the Big Ten. One way of winning is playing lesser competition. Osborne coached in the Big8 . Wins against lesser competition can be celebrated. In that era if you ran the Big 8 then it was coin toss at a bowl. Rhules time of failure is coming. Nebraska is like the guy who borrows too much on his mortgage to make his wife happy. Then they deal with the stress of not belonging in the house.