Why People Are SO Mad At Elden Ring | Asmongold Reacts
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Miyazaki has stated in an interview that the reason why the Souls series leaves so much plot hidden and requiring discovery, debate, and deciphering, is because he read English fantasy novels as a youth and not understanding the whole story and needing to fill the gaps himself was an experience he wanted players to share.
Or he was lazy and just wanted others to do the work for him.
@@hovsep56 Pretty much that's what it is. He wants to focus more on gameplay and world than story.
@@pixytorres7117 But then When you see someone like Vaati and his insanely huge document that is telling everything then you are like, someone really sat down and thoguht for a long time to create this huge story.
@@hovsep56 Isn't it more lazy to just have the story spoon-fed to you than spending hour upon hours writing descriptions that hint at certanin things and placing everything in the right place so the story can be told by the enviroment?
Thats actually not true, Miyazaki said that in regards to how specific, minor story aspects are left hidden whilst the main plot is straightforward like in demons souls. Ds1 had obscure stuff more so because Miyazaki didnt want to hire a professional story writer (said so in an interview). Yet still, ds1 still had NPCs being extremely not cryptic about the story. ER fails in narrative due to being overly obscure to the point its not clear why my character even cares about being in the lands between in the first place.
On my first playthrough I was a bit confused but I wanted to understand the story. Luckily, there are TONS of characters who will give you some history or talk about the motivations of certain characters. But I was still a bit confused by similar names like Ranni and Renna, Melina and Malenia are good examples. But on my second playthrough, everything made sense. I did watch a youtube video on the history eons before the game takes place, and that is the less important lore hidden in item descriptions. The story of Elden Ring is so interesting, and extremely well written full of betrayal, emotion, loss, and the aspirations of several factions.
honestly my hobby other than playing games is reading especially horror, fantasy and mystery I don't like instantly grasping everything I like having to think about the story and piece it together as the story unfolds Elden ring does a fantastic job of that
Yeh, I get names mixed up or can't remember them properly. Like the ones you gave but also Radagon and Radahn I mix up and Godfrey and the other G one. I wish I remembered them better nad I probably will. For some reason for me they are just hard to keep straight.
Even without the lore videos I understood the base story, I find it really neat that they trust the viewers enough to let us work out the underlying lore and it's really rewarding for anyone willing to even dip their toes into the massive ocean of things hinted at throughout the game, this was my first souls game amd the first game I played in almost a decade and I could not have asked for a better experience
Playing through one of their games, then confirming a theory with others feels really rewarding as well. Even if it isn't completely set in stone.
Even if you are lazy, like I can be, you have the option of taking advantage of other's hard work in lore videos. I watched a few and the depth of the world and the details just blew my mind.
I've barely even played Elden Ring (not a difficulty autism guy) and even I know it should be game of the year. And on the topic of "narrative" of COURSE unspoken events in video games and movies count as narrative. It's critical!
Edit: ALSO, I think it's cool that the story stays mystifying and hides information behind secrets. It adds to replay value and to the creepy mysterious aesthetic that these games work so hard to achieve. It's great!
No, God of war Ragnarok should be
GOW best narrative
@@_ripVanWinkle_ no its a horrible marvel like movie with a rushed ending and horrible marvel like humor. 2018 and the older God of war games were way better
The best part of Elden Ring is going any direction out the gate and no matter where you go theres always something new. as long as you can perceiver you will be surprised around every turn.
I think the best part of elden rings story is that it fee me enough through my playthrough to keep me interested but left me after I was done wanting to learn more. On top of being just a beautiful fun game.
@ComfyCat right lol gameplay over everything
I like to think that Elden Ring story telling is like Outer Wilds, you explore the world, find shit to read and piece together the story. But I think the main difference is that there is no log to write stuff down for you.
I bet that if you had a quest log or a thing that pieces the story together more people will be appreciating the story. (I’m not saying we should but would like to see a alternate reality where Elden Ring has it.)
So are people mad at Elden Ring, or mad at the Game Awards?
If u wanna know how unimaginable good elden ring is all you have to do is look at the number of people who have beat it, it’s between 26-34% of players that have finished it, being able to say 1/3 of your player base beat ur game in the OPEN WORLD genre is something few games can boast
Man this video hits close to home - I have abt 3.5k on Doomfist in OW1 and I've been gm/t500 since s10. His unique game-play and the reward you would get out of his mastery was so satisfying and the main reason why I kept grinding the game. I was first concerned, but still intended to play him, whenever they announced Tank Doom would be a thing, but him just being complete dog tier at launch and killing all the intriguing techs us doom players would learn made it really demotivating for me to play. Which makes me really envious, since the majority of people are convinced (including me) that ow2 is a better game overall. I stopped playing during my climb at m1/low gm mmr, because I had enough of the unrewarding gameplay and cancerous community flaming you 24/7 for playing him. I played doom in all the metas at high elo in the past ,no matter the meta, I played it and even back then he was was dogshit in most metas and yet he still had something that made it fun and rewarding to play him , but yes while dooms gameplay is still unique it just didn't keep the fun that made me fall in love with him in ow1. And I know I'm not alone, ik so many OG doom players and high elo dooms and they eighter quit, or play diff characters. - Most who still grind the hero are streamers who probably would've quit the game/hero too if they didn't stream in the first place. :(
Story in video games are best pieced together in my opinion. I remember the first mist game, basically just an interactive slide show but exploring the world and piecing the narrative was fun. The same can be said of system shock 2, the extras in the books of baldurs gate 1 & 2, etc…
I feel linear narratives that are presented as is doesn’t make full use of the gaming experience.
So as a person who has never played Elden Ring and very little of any souls games, I can definitely say that they aren't for me. That being said, this genre and story telling style is loved, not just liked but, LOVED by a huge portion of the gaming community. I hope more games like Elden Ring come out to reignite the passion developers had for making games people enjoyed, not just to be sold for profit.
Don’t forget it’s got the best map with the world as the sky box. You see a place and you can go there, it’s not just drawn and unable to be walked around in.
The film-milieu would shit their pants if someone would say "Eraserhead (David Lynch, 1977) has no narrative".
Can you imagine the industry of a whole medium safeguarding against art-ification and trying to stay as mainstream as possible? You don't need to. Video Games Industry is doing exactly that.
Idiots like this complaining about elden ring is the reason why well educated and cultured non-gamers have such a hard time grasping the artistic side of video games and have so much misconceptions. Even George R. martin who penned the lore for Elden Ring says "video games" are not art. Because all we do is shout out "fortnite" in the world and show kids wasting away before their PCs shooting.
How can the mainstream video game industry lobby for a more serious take from the general public about video games if it is actively trying to sabotage every artistic game which is trying to bend and shift borders.
I mean look at the movie industry and movie-critiques and film-academics. There is a general unwritten consensus that movies like those who premiere on festivals like Cannes are "better" in almost any way than every movie came out of disney ever. More Art-House , the better.
And here are "our" industry and video game access media trying to critcise exactly that quality in elden ring.
I feel everybody in this comment section and the guy in the video just missed the whole point the game critics were trying to make entirely, which was: If a new player(who has never played the dark souls games) picks up this game to try, Will 100% get lost first time and will 100% need some kind of guidance to progress the game. There’s so many things in the game that confuse the player such as the Warp traps, the arrows(that point to other graces not the main quest), bosses that are easy to find via dungeons that dont matter whatsoever to the main quest line, etc.
Anyone who thinks Fromsoft games have shit stories just don't care enough about the story to look for it. They want an on-rails narrative experience. Which is fine, but that doesn't make alternative methods 'bad'. Some people love the Zelda method of exploring with vague directions, some prefer the Skyrim style with a compass and arrow pointing you where to go and occasionally stumbling on something unmarked. Neither is necessarily better or worse than the other, they're just different.
The thing people miss out mostly is that since it’s an open world RPG, they expect a narrative like all other standard open RPGs.
Elden Ring when it comes to storytelling it’s much much closer to a game like Subnautica.
You gotta explore the massive world that has been built to be explored to get the story and the game.
While it’s good to have story driven games, it has to be said that a lot of world building value and lore details get often lost on a “rush through the main story” kind of playstyle.
I'm Glad that we got told to become elden lord in the narration, because it's one of the few things that is repeated to us by many npcs (Gideon, margit, godrick to an extent, etc), so it sets us up for the expectation that when broken in the frenzied flame ending feels all the more satisfying
God of War is essentially a game built around a story. Yes they have combat and crafting and puzzles and loot, but when you think of God of War you think of the characters and story. The opposite is true for Elden Ring, it’s a story built into a game. As much as I like the hidden lore and themes of Elden Ring, there is no question that the gameplay is what drives that game. Take for instance the quest to help Kenneth Height. When I started that quest I was intrigued at the power dynamic in limgrave. It was interesting that here was a character with property, directly challenging Godrick’s hold on the land. Not only that, he had a legit following of Demi-humans. My mind got excited, thinking I could possibly clear his fort and then help him again reach for more power, and that maybe his Demi-human followers (who I had already spotted fighting with some limgrave soldiers) might become an ally of sorts to me. Maybe I could lead a small brigade of them in an assault on Castle Stormveil. At the very least maybe they wouldn’t continue to attack me when I found a rogue group of them. Sadly none of that was true, and even when visiting the Fort after Kenneth Height moved in I was disappointed to find I had to kill a half dozen Demi-humans inside only for the chance to speak to Kenneth Height and find his quest was on pause until much further into the game. Now, I hope this doesn’t seem like I’m calling Elden Ring bad or that it lacks a story, it’s personally the greatest gaming experience I’ve ever had and I enjoy the lore and worldbuilding that is present in the game (it definitely deserves a narrative nomination). But I do wonder if in the future Fromsoft may consider adding MORE role playing and story significance to their games, because to me it’s the one area where they still seem to lag behind. They already have the greatest gameplay loop in gaming history, if they could add Witcher 3 characters and quests, or God of War visuals and story I don’t see how any other developer could even compete.
Why would you pick up a game you know is like a souls game, and open world and get mad that there’s a shit ton of stuff to find out and do? It’s just stupid
Elden Ring is a great game, but lore and story aren't the same thing. The story is " you wanna be Elden Lord, fight strong guys till you are it"
The lore is rich and fascinating.
The "gameplay as narrative" is a good argument, but I'm dubious about it for winning a story award. I do wanna be clear though it absolutely deserves a GOTY nomination.
Story and narrative are different. A narrative is the way a story is told. That's why this definition stresses speaking or writing - telling someone a story means that you out the narrative together in such a way as to get the story across. Elden Ring gives you the story pieces and then YOU, THE PLAYER construct the narrative. The narrative forms as you play it. Which is how it should be, because it's a game, not a book or a movie. You form the narrative as you play your version of the game, which is why it will differ from others even though the story always remains the same.
I don't think it does the best job at describing the law through optional exploring. Compare it to fallout 3 that had genuinely well thought out mini stories in terminals and side characters. I'll never forget some of the narrative in some of the vaults whereas I have no idea why dungeons exist in elden ring, they are more like obstacles to have great combat in.
I get the impression that people were mad because the conventional idea of "great narrative" was having a game be a film. Why the fuck should it be that the height of narrative in video games be when they're imitating another medium? Video games have the opportunity to tell stories in ways that no other medium can, it should be embraced. It'd be like wishing movies were as wordy as books even though their greatest strength is being able to show and not tell.
The Hate around Elden Ring is so bizarre to me its like most people who played it never even heard of From Software or even touched Dark Souls, yes it's a challenging game that's the point but what most people who have played it and didn't like it probably wasn't looking for a challenge like most open world games are they hold your hand and show you the way Dark Souls games are more "Open World Sandbox" you gotta do shit yourself. Hell, it took me 3 hours to beat the first "boss" on dark souls 3 but after beating it I felt like I achieved something it was rewarding. Yes the story is vague but that is the point, hell most people play games and couldn't give a shit about the story most of the time I feel like if you gonna play Elden Ring or Dark souls it's for its gameplay and challenging bosses, shout out to the people who have completed the game blindfolded and playing the game with bananas (yes someone has done that) also a little bonus I watched a 7 min video telling me what happened in Avengers Endgame because that whole can of worms is such a confusing story that i don't wanna spend a week watching just to watch 3 spider man movies.
The game gives you a map, fast travel, and an indicator that an npc is in the vicinity of the fast travel point and mf's still complain that they missed the story. Ds1 be like, onion knight is now gonna relocate to the poison swamp you never want to go back to with no warning.
"And there's like two bells or some shit..." Haha. S tier synopsis of Dark Souls
I'm struggling to even get through God of War Ragnarok. They dumbed the story and narrative down so much it doesn't even feel like God of War anymore. GoW Ragnarok plays like it's on rails with no room for mystery or interpretation, basically the gaming equivalent of a Marvel universe film. The storytelling in Elden Ring is miles ahead of anything else that came out this year imo.
I think I makes the story better cause you aren't painfully spoonfed it and forced to care about it if you don't want. You can just enjoy the game play and if you decide to care the story is deep and discovered slowly naturally ad the player explores and progresses
Bloodborne has imo one of the best narratives in a videogame but the people complaining about elden ring probably have no idea it exists because they're too damn lazy to work it out for themselves
8:30 if you're admitting that Elden Ring has a story, then by default you are admitting it has a narrative. It is impossible for a game to have a story without telling it. The two are mutually exclusive. People don't even understand the words they're saying it's insane
10:40 and again. If somebody has a youtube video explaining how to do something in a game, that means they figured it out. Just because you can't figure something out doesn't mean it's bad design. It's your own faults holding you back, not the game design
Bc they cant dodge?
You made my day haha
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Nope, they can’t get gud
Ez game
No, this time they can’t read
This is the 1st game that gave me that nostalgic feeling of gaming as a kid. I’ve been excited for games and enjoyed games since, but the exploration really made this game a masterpiece
this was the same for me.i played only moba games that are getting stale after a while.when elden ring came out i played it because of all the hype and it was great.the game made me not watch the time.great game
I said the same thing, felt like a kid again.
This!! I felt "WONDER" while playing a game. It's so rare to find as an adult. I sat back so many times in awe of so many things in the game.
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it's unconditional love... 😁🥰
Elden Ring requires paying attention
people hate doing that
I loved elden ring but I feel like you don’t have to pay attention at all really. I just wondered around until I find the next boss
@Juan That is the same setup as Dark Souls and literally all of these games. You come into a world where the heroes are dead and buried, and where everything has gone to shit or ash. You wander around killing the remnants of the old legends, then you fulfill some prophecy bullshit to reset the world or burn it all. Same plot for every Souls game and ER. Solaire is a piss poor example considering how many random NPC deaths can occur in ER if you don't do really specific things. Again, common in all Souls games.
that's probably why most love pokemon lol. mindless. just hit A.
@@DaShikuXI elden ring is overrated its like a 7 or 8 out of 10 games it's no masterpiece it's a boss hunting simulator not everyone wants to play something that challenging especially if there is zero story
@@mattm9396 Finding the next boss or understanding the story is not the same thing. Just following Grace does that. lol
The game makes you actually FEEL like you're adventuring, something most open world games fail to do.
most open world games you are like "ugh i have to go here and then here because of blah blah" this game its like "i want to go here to learn more and get some good gear along the way"
i just discovered Ranni's quest in my FIFTH playthrough...the game is superb. I think i did the shit eater ending and it took me 160 hours to find all his shit.
but people like arrows and pointers and "CLICK HERE TO CONTINUE"
@@Diaianz the shit eater HAHAHAHAH
I would argue if this isn't how the world is set up, it's not open world. Sure they allow free roaming and such, but in most games your wasting time going there before the main story tells you to. I would say that's bad design, and that this is the first open world mainstream modern game that gets this right.
@@Xibyth how is that bad tho? Open world means you can go wherever you want, every direction is the right direction, still better than ypur average “cant go to this part yet because ur not enough level” Ubisoft kind of shit
I also like to point out that Elden Ring devs understand how their players play. They know that a player who finds something on the map will leave a message to help others to find it as well (or fuck with them). If we didnt have elden ring wikis. Players would still be able to find hidden paths and doors because of the messages. Its amazing how organic the design of the game is. The AAA developers have never tried anything like this so they just cant understand it. Ive always thought Elden ring is a better MMO experience than actual MMOs nowadays.
Just because From Software is not as big as Ubisoft, Sony, etc doesn't mean they aren't AAA. Most games from AAA developers don't get even close to the budget that Elden Ring had.
You can say this but they did disable all of that for Dark Souls 3 for like 3/4ths of a year, sucking the soul out of their games.
Dude, Elden ring is a mainstream AAA title from a AAA studio. They just have their own thing going and it works.
@@RaeneYT They fixed that didn't they?
Also "sucking the *Dark Soul* out of their game."
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i agree. the white spirits of other players doing actions in the world as well as the red spirits showing how others have died in that spot are literally 5head genius features of game design. Made me feel like i was never alone playing thru the game
The fact that 90% of the Lands Between feels like "I'm not supposed to be here" and that From Software chose to tell the story the way IS the genius of the game.
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae it definitely doesn’t lack narrative, it actually has a good story and many quest lines and literally different endings based on what you do
Obviously story driven games have a lot more to offer in the narrative sense but saying elden ring doesn’t have a narrative doesn’t make sense to me
It’s not just lore that you stumble upon
Your decisions matter a lot of the time
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae just say you can't read that well.
@@bubbles261 Most people are just stupid, theirs brains can't comprehend that narration in books (which is writing) changes into sounds and images (animation or camera recording) in films and video games (in games also gameplay can take part in narration). They know definition of narration from primary school and they are unable to go beyond it. Images and sounds (not talking) as a narration? Impossible.
@@Jagang8 yeah like opening up noxus (I forget the name lol)
After beating radahn and all the stars fall down because he was holding them back
I mean that’s literally stuff changing because of actions by the tarnished
@@MoonkaCake Why would you want to do tons of reading to get a small amount of meh lore when you could instead put that reading into a game with far better and more explicit storytelling?
The first thing I did when I played this game was immediately go to the ruins behind the cave and farm for runes until I cleared it and found a chest. I opened the chest and was transported to the mines at Caelid on the OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP with no way of fast traveling out of there. It took me an hour to figure out a path to run out of there. 10/10
The chest was in the Dragon Swamp of Limgrave actually. And I did the same thing and it took hours to find a way out without dying. It freaked me out. But I knew that getting back to Limgrave was going to be worth it and so I persevered and finished the whole game.
Ya got got
Same here, but at least it helped me figure out blunt weapons were best against the stone boys
Ya those bug guys that shoot at you are bs, especially at a low level. Hell, my level 190 guy can still get messed up by them if im careless.
You can fast travel as soon as you reach the surface
Trying to figure out Ranni's backstory and motivations and her quest line was one of my favorite all time narrative experiences. Elden Ring is a special game that is breaking molds and deserves awards for it.
Because of how ER break molds I feel like that game should smash award shows because of it. We need more fresh games like it
Bro, I have a theory that the age of stars ending is Marika’s master plan to defeat the greater will 😳 also my favorite storyline in all soulsbourne
God it hurts so fucking bad as a NieR series fan watching people praise elden ring and calling it mold breaking. Like it's some revolutionary release in gaming.
Like, words cannot express how much more revolutionary the NieR games are FOR video games as a medium than elden ring.
It's probably just the popularity difference if I had to think of why this imbalance is present.
Bigger sales of course means more attention. But man it huuuurts to see.
Good for elden ring and fromsoft tho. They still earned this. Great game. Just hurts seeing a game that I think is way better go underpraised in comparison.
@@ViperT17 there's a really famous theory that Marika actually conspired with Ranni to kill Godwyn and enact the Night of Black Blades for that exact reason she sent Ranni to Rennala and made her grow up without th Greater Will's influence, but I don't think she was prepared for Radahn to be such a gigachad.
@@trevorveillette8415 I sense jealousy.
The looseness of the story makes it much more interesting and sparks conversations that last well after the release of a game. Heck, “Radagon is Marika” tells us so much and so little at the same time but that just adds to wanting to know everything there is to know for more clues on what it means.
that was a massive twist for me which immediately made me go "wait, what the fuck?"
I like how even Corwyn was like, "what the heck does that even mean?!" 😅 It's a great twist though. Just enough to make some sense but not enough so that we have to speculate and debate.
I’ve beaten the game multiple times and collected different story peices , endings. Even watched lore videos
And I still don’t understand what the fuck Radagon is marika means or how it came to be.
I only know you see them both at the end
@@gostreiver8036 yeah I don't think any of us know what exactly that means lol.
I think the bigger question quickly became "Radagon is Marika, sure, but was he always Marika?" that one is perhaps the mystery that has no answer right now, and not sure if it will in the DLC, would hope to get it tho.
People like to hate on something that isn't for them rather than appreciate how it's great for others. Stray and other games I consider walking simulators I avoid but I can fully understand how that genre of games is appealing to others and why it received such good praise.
Bruh, stray storytelling is literally the same as elden ring. Run around, read text boxes and piece them together.
@@luukas2660 except stray doesn't have an interesting or decent story
@@bigtprime I think gowr will win narrative and er will get goty
@@bigtprime it's indie good graphics extremely short de emphasized jumping easy puzzles 5 out of 10 at most gets 5 points because the cat is pretty epic tbh
Like the quarry and until dawn games its like watching a movie. Kinda reminds me of final destination movies. Some dvds had a setting that let you make your own decisions usually saving one but another died, but it did change a few scenes. Not everyone understands everything perfectly, so being able to have npcs repeat their lines is helpful. I havent played any of the god of war so im not sure if the player can hear the same lines again in case you didnt fully understand it the first time.
It's amazing you can actually go through some of the castles in Elden ring and see the the evidence of past battles as you explore there's your narrative there there was a battle there. Elden ring is one of those games where in my opinion it met and surpassed my hype for it I got the Platinum for the PS5 version
Wow what a mind blowing exposition...DEAD BODIES, THERE WAS A BATTLE!!
@@yoloparrot42 even if you don't understand the story as you look at the environment your imagination will fill in the gaps and the story in your head. I hate games where they just stop everything and just tell you the story. Elden ring doesn't waste your time like that
The entire world is barren and lifeless... That's extremely lazy and doesn't make for good gameplay.
Strange way of coping with the shortcomings of the game
@@Digger-Nick y I will respect your opinion but Elden ring actually has a living breathing world and a good story if you know where to look thank God Elden ring Got Game of the Year not garbage God of boredom Ragnarok
@@redseagaming7832 It doesn't and fromsoft didn't even try to make it a living world because that's not the nature of souls games...
Found the delusional fromsoft drone.
Honestly elden ring and other souls borne games are VIDEO GAMES not glorified movies like other titles
Elden Ring was the game that proved that it's not "nostalgia and childhood memories", video games did become worse in the past decade, and Elden Ring proved that you can still make amazing, memorable, paradigm-shifting games. Elden Ring brought hope to the future of gaming.
@Sony Alpha Adventure Yes they did
@Sony Alpha Adventure Indie Games became better whereas AAA games fell
after Olblivion and Fallout 3 I really thought I was getting too old. that it's up to me that I can't get so immersed in a game anymore. no time and too old. then came dark souls and i knew i wasn't the problem. the games really got worse
@Sony Alpha Adventure massively worse. Elden Ring proves it by bringing some old-school sensibilities and innovative modern mechanics in a format that makes sense, unlike 99% of "AAA" trash that people have been fed for over a decade. Seriously, I was thinking "I'm growing too old for gaming or something.." before I played Elden Ring. Now I know it's not me, it's the games.
@@hei7846 Double A developers also starting to compete with AAA. Not just Indie devs
The beautiful thing about elden ring story is that it's meant by design to be discovered in collaboration with all the the other players, no one person alone can discover every secret or uncover every plot. All of us sharing the love for the game and it's story, together through Reddit post, RUclips videos and comments, tweets, etc. We become part of the storytelling.
That's an awesome way to tell a story if you ask me.
One of my favorite things about souls games, Is that there are hundreds of theories on many plot points. Remember reading somewhere Priscilla was Seeth's daughters. Memory is a little fuzzy on that. Story telling that keeps me asking questions and testing my critical thinking is my personal favorite. Nier Automata did a good job of having both "passive" story telling and "active" story telling. Elden Ring specializes in the former. And one of my personal favorite things to do is dig around for battling theories on the games.
It is awesome and I love it, but it's so unconventional I don't know if it deserves an award. But then, it's only been nominated at this point.
Elden*
@@knaveofsouls6080 yeah no shit
I thought that im killing my experience by looking at internet posts. What I figured out is that im.actually saving it.
one of the biggest lie about the souls games is that they are difficult. They are actually not THAT hard in the sense that the roll i frames are super generous. Your deaths usually come from inexperience, inattention or not being patient enough. Once you understand the rythm of the game, it's kinda chill. It's not like they are technically demanding either.
EDIT: Some people in the comments need to realize that a game can be not too easy, as well as not too hard at the same time.
To the guy with 240 hours into Elden Ring, keep pushing you'll get there !
True, but you can Master everything. It’s like the process of learning an instrument. People will say it’s hard, but only at first.
Thats not true either, just because it's possible doesn't mean it's not hard. I would agree outside of multi bosses and some super bosses, you get better which makes it relatively easier, but it's still hard
@@Sorrowdusk You can farm weaker enemies to make the game easy. Which is I think a great change since people who are not that good can still level up on easy enemies
I mean you know immediately that the person who said it's brutally difficult neither played the game or even know what the game is about in the first place.
Clearly these people are just attention seekers that cry because they suck at videogames. Otherwise you'd know to use comet azur or to level up vigor.
The "brutal difficulty" is these people's level of comprehension, not the game.
By that logic, finding the cure for cancer is easy, it's just that we didn't put enough resources and time into researching it.
Or beating Usain Bolt 100m record is easy, you just didn't run enough times...
I do agree that the games are not INSANELY hard, but anything can be easy or "exploitable" if you put enough time to it
whose still playing elden ring now?
I’m still playing it, definitely going to keep playing it now that the DLC is coming out soon
Been playing it every day since march
I remember my first playthrough I walked into areas and always wondered, "Wow... I wonder what happened here." Or "This place is amazing I wonder why this place is so different?".
I spent hours just looking around reading things, talking to people, and making up my own mind what I needed to do next.
You make your own decisions but yes there is a story but it is one you make unique to you.
You can just rush through and become a fractured lord or burn it all down with frenzy.
In the end you decide the story.
Edi: typos
I bet I can find a shit ton of games that do that better
@@blades9152 yeah but they hand hold you the whole time. Ubisoft ruined open world games by doing that.
But hey to each their own if people want to be lead to everything then so be it but I prefer to have no direction. Makes me feel like I am in control.
I know right?
Like, what are these temple ruins all across Limgrave.
Or the Tree Sentinel, why is this fucker so big? Why is he here? Why is his name Tree Sentinel?
Then finally killing him, and not only are you rewarded with his golden toothpick, you also get some insight into the Golden Order and the world in general.
Fucking loved it.
@@blades9152 I don't think any of them compete with Souls storytelling tho.
When Margit, that underestimates you and tells you to give up, drops below half health, he says "Well, thou art of passing skill" as he freaking starts summoning hammers and giant swords made of light to punmel you back down. And when you finally DO beat him, he mocks you, saying you won't become a lord regardless, and that he'll make sure you never do.
IF you never died once, and killed him in your first attempt, then these lines hold no meaning.
If you died a couple of times, before finally making him admit you are not to be looked down upon, he compliments you, and you feel like you can actually maybe do it!!
And once you die, but keep trying, and finally beat his giant hammer, he dissmisses you, but the fact remains that you won, and when he changes from "you won't be able to become a lord" to "ok, you can, so I'm going to try and stop you" DAMN, that's narrative right there.
That you are an exile called upon to return to a land controlled by foreign gods...
That Margit is of cursed blood, but wasn't imprisoned below the capital due to his royal lineage...
That he stands guard over stromveil castle to stop newcoming tarnished, in the same place that uses them to make godrick stronger...
Those are "extra" narrative and lore.
The *main* story of elden ring, requires no item descriptions, it is told by the actual story and obstacles you have to overcome
(Or just slip out the back of the castle and skip him lmao)
He was imprisoned below the capital that is why you can find his shackle and use it on him.
@@ronuss then you just dont engage with the games you're playing and that's fine, dude just says Elden Ring requires a bit higher engagement than your usual AAA game to truly get the best experience. Also playing an RPG without even caring what the characters are saying sounds really unfun to me but everyone's got different taste.
@@ronuss yeah that's a not a thing most people say lol most people pay attention or read subtitles 🤣
@@ronuss mindless consumption of media proves small brain
@@tomguglielmo9805 God of War is mindless drivel with no story, no challenge, no gameplay at all. It's just a mindless button mashing corridor simulator for people who are barely sentient to feel some sense of accomplishment
Video games are different from any other media with a unique blend of interactive gameplay/player choice and storytelling, and a game that leverages that to tell its story is entirely worthy of the award in my opinion
i hate story being shoved in my face , i quit lost ark because there are millions of cutscenes that i dont give fuck about , but i know a lot about dark souls lore, why ? because you dont care about the personal life of a person you meet on a ramdom bus ride but you probably would like to know the story of one of your friends , we care about the lore only if we care about the game , if you promote your game via gameplay and your story sucks dont force me to learn the story , path of exile does this perfectly you dont even need to talk to quest givers you automatically have the quest, you do the quest , you turn it in and its fucking done
Can you expand on how the game leverages the gameplay to tell it's story?
@@POPUpKR Elden Ring, man.
In Elden Ring, the player is an archaeologist in a way, always sorting through the ruins of what was, deciphering notes and piecing together the scraps of evidence in order to figure what happened. The players who are too lazy to do this will be annoyed, while the player who do will be immensely satisfied.
It's the difference between being a Tourist and an Archaeologist at the Pyramids of Giza.
A tourist would simply see the Pyramids and go "Wow, that's cool!", they take their pictures, and they will have a lot of questions, but they will leave without any substantial answers.
An Archaelogist would be exploring inside of the ruins, dusting off the papyrus and deciphering the heiroglyphs in complete awe of the knowledge are discovering and eventually fully uncovering the long lost history of the Egyptian civilization.
Another game that leverages gameplay to tell a story is Fallout: New Vegas. Choice and consequence. The story is yours to tell in New Vegas because the courier is you.
A more dynamic game that leverages gameplay as a tool for storytelling is Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War. Granted, there is an overarching narrative, but that isn't the strength of the game, the incredible Nemesis system is. The Nemesis system basically a massive heirarchy game, chock full to the brim with orcs and ways to interact with them to create entirely unique stories to experience and rivals to fight against, and it does this very naturally throughout the game. I wish more games had this kind of system. The Nemesis system currently has a patent, so that dream is unlikely now. :(
In a more cinematic "traditional" movie sense, Detroit: Become Human does type of thing very well too. It's not linear like you would assume, it has a crazy branching paths narrative that only videogames can tell.
In movies, there is only one way to tell a story. Movies can be as creative as they chronologically wish to be like in, say, Dunkirk or Pulp Fiction, but the story will always be the same every viewing.
God of War 2018 and Ragnarok pursues this single way to tell a story, the way that movies have always done, instead of utilizing the interactive strengths of storytelling that only a videogame could have, and it's such a waste of potential imo.
@@utisti4976 Detroit become human... Lmao look at this dude. Insane man, a literal amusement park game. seek help you're stanning for Elden Ring because you love it so much that you really used Detroit as an exmaple
@@utisti4976 While i understand your point, i would also not award the archeologists in your analogy with the "Best Tourism of the Year" awards.
I love the game, and i am positive it is one of the best works of all time in the gaming industry, if not the best. But to classify the tiny pieces of information the game scatters around and frame it as narrative is not a step i would personally take. If the player is telling the story than the game is not.
Narrative in RPGs for example is often built by the player and not the game. I love the world of D&D, but i would not award it any narrative prizes either. The lack of a fixed narrative doesn't make the game worse, it makes it better. But when the game, the actual product being judged, has little to no inherent narrative, and critics/fans are trying to push the idea that a subjective experience should be considered as one... It makes me think of the transgender men trying to compete in women's sports. Sure you can make an argument for it, and i do get the point people make, but it's still pretty much a farfetched move.
One thing i loved about souls games is that when you are playing a new souls game like elden ring and you have buddies who don’t like to read but play the game. Finding newfound information in item descriptions and you tell your buddies about it; they react as if they are amazed and you are the “lore master”. This is why I love the item description storytelling. There is always more pieces to the puzzle.
Elden Ring is the first FromSoft game I have played and I think it has the best narrative I have experienced in years.
“ThErE’s No NaRrAtIvE!!!”
If something isn’t right in front of people’s faces it goes over their heads. Elden Ring is art
You should play the other From Soft games too! All amazing!
Still has no narrative 😂
@@Masterpain33 not sure you know what narrative means. It has multiple
@@Masterpain33 the narrative isn't handhold narrative like most games. It is told through bits and pieces of dialogue you get from the few cutscenes along with item descriptions and the quest path(s) you take. Not everything that is considered narrative has to beat you over the head with it.
it has just a huuuuge background story what happened in the past, yeah and its great and the gameplay and worldbuilding is superb, but your character you as the player have no narrative, just kill everyone and become elden lord... nothing more
I can’t believe that no one is mentioning the fact that GEORGE R. R. MARTIN created the lore! He wrote hundreds to thousands of years of untold history for the player to learn through the game. It is because of this that reading or observing the environment is so rewarding. The merchants, Rykard, Sellen, omens, Radagon, and Godfrey/Hoarah Loux were such a blast to theorize about.
No he didn't write the lore, he helped in certain aspects. It has been said countless times.
No he wrote a *significant* chunk alongside Miyazaki, you can see George R.R. Martin in every corner of the lore.
No he wrote a *significant* chunk alongside Miyazaki, you can see George R.R. Martin in every corner of the lore.
ziostorm is pretty damn good when it comes to making these kind of videos. mad respect
As a veteran Souls player who is VERY familiar and in love with the method of story telling. I loved Elden Ring. This guy says that it impossible to finish all the quests in your first run? Bull. I took me 130 hrs but I COMBED the entire map and thus completed every quest. Part of what took me so long was EVERY new item I received I would read (honestly the one thing I do wish the game had was a "new item" section as finding the item I just picked up was a bit of a pain). I missed only 2 dungeons (and still missed a good chunk of world items). I understood the story more or less on my first run but I didn't truly understand and piece how everything seemed to fit until my like 3rd clear (I got Godfrey and Malikath confused quite a bit as one is the Lord of the Dead and the other is the wielder of destine death). Now I still play and pay attention to specific things I like to piece together like where the confessor items are and why they may be where you find them (shadow assassins for the 2 fingers). Even though I know sooooo much about the story, there is so much more I can still discover. People really do not understand that just because you can't handle or enjoy a method of storytelling does not mean it doesn't exist. You just don't like it because it's too hard or requires an investment. But almost everything, even crafting materials, have a reason for being where you find them (like the Artaria Leaves, generally found where blood has been spilled, you find a ton around the windmill village cuz the windmills are chalk full of skinned bodies in and around them, thus they grow all around the windmills where the bodies are likely kept before they are burned)
The game does have a way that you can sort your inventory by order of acquisition
@@common_undead I'm assuming on pc? Cuz I play on PS4.
@@beniron5807 no its on all platforms, i played ER on pc with a controller, but the same thing existed it all the other dark souls, which i played on ps4. you just click in the left joystick while in your inventory. you can sort weapons and armors by pretty much every stat, like absorbtion and damage, and you can use the square/x button to go from high to low or vice versa. it might be a different button if you remapped the controls, but youll see it all when you click in the joystick
@@smokeylemur lol god damn it. I'll check it out but at this point I know where everything is and what every item says XD.
You didn't finish all the quest lines, if you pick one path the other is blocked, so I call bull
Elden Ring has a strong lore and world building. But I can't say it's narrative is strong.
I loved coming to RUclips and interacting with the community you found in the comment sections. The videos were cool yeah but the comments were my favorite place to be. All of us discovering our play styles and discussing/debating lore, bonding over an incredible experience a lot of us haven’t had in a very long time. It made me feel a sense of companionship in a time where my depression had hit a whole new low and I was working from home so I didn’t have a lot of irl interaction
Dark Souls: "Time to ring the bells like a WWE fight"
Dark Souls 2: "So there's this far away land and a King..." *Disney has entered the Chat*
Dark Souls 3: "Help us Undead, you're our only hope!" *player:* *Points at bent over statue*
Bloodborne: "Sign this contract! Here's some Femboy Blood!" Player: "AA-"
Elden Ring: "Bitch broke my Elden Bling, go make her head Ring"
Demon's soul: "Touch the stone and make the old man go to sleep."
@@antoninperron1307 Demon's Souls: "The used fleshlight from behind the bed is back, and worse than ever"
Cringe
There is a charm in going to YT videos and forums to discuss and learn more about the story. Its like a draw back to the older days of gaming imo
People don't understand why so many of us love the game......just like I don't understand how you couldn't love the game! To each their own I guess, but personally I think its one of the greatest games to come out in a long time.
I started to love the way these games explain the narrative the moment i understood a little bit of its huge lore entirely. The flowing chrved sword tells of a blind swordsman, the counterattack tallisman shows a blind swordsman and his headset is the dex starting class set( the blue one with the dual swords) and the dex tallisman tells how malenia was teached by a blind swordsman that seemed to dance as he fought. From those 3 details i was able to piece together something and it felt so great. The absolute payoff is that if you charge a heavy attack with the flowing curved sword, the weird sleeves on the blue swordsman set piece combine with its weird design, making 2 hearts for a brief second. Amazing storytelling. Understanding the lore midgame itself is souls like, because you get all these different topics and the items that you get(sometimes hours in between) explain you a little bit of 1 of the topics, so you get a feeling like in ds1, where you have 10 different ways to go and dont even know where to start
I fell in love with the story also because of other people. When they find out little secrets or does video on Elden Ring, it creates this feeling that the story may not be what you think it means.
Trueeee it feels like finding the puzzles of a mystery game
So what you are saying is racist conspiracy-theory-loving white people love this game
The way Elden Ring's story is told matches the way its gameplay functions. The gameplay is hard and demanding and the storytelling is just the same.
Taking the time and putting the effort into understanding how the gameplay works is rewarding and saitisfaying.
Taking the time to read all the item descriptions and putting the effort to try to connect the dots rewards you with a better understanding of what's going on and therefore gives you more freedom to make the decision you actually believe are right.
I've always appreciated having to deep dive to find the juice and grit behind each Souls setting.
But plastering the tag line 'by GRRM' set an expectancy that just doesn't cut it with item descriptions personally.
Calm TL;DR before the rant: my impressions of the games sucked and the ports were lazy. "Just buy a controller" is not an acceptable explanation for your pc port not having basic pc ui design.
That learning curve is enjoyable for some. Elden Ring and Fromsoft in general I have an axe to grind with. I need a hook to get me interested in a game. The brutality of elden ring and the struggle appears to be the fun that people get from it, and the promised satisfaction of getting gud. For me it's a headache. Compound that with a slew of design decisions I think are objectively bad and you get me, someone who has an extreme dislike of anything by that company.
Broken controls on the port to pc that have out of whack sensitivity settings and an overlay as if you're using a controller. That's just lazy. Porting a game is hard, but lack of ui and input clarity when doing so is simply incompetence.
My impression is that Fromsoft prides itself in obtuse design for the sake of difficulty, rather than fun, markets it to the hardcore audience, and then the community that struggled through that has developed and elitist git gud mentality.
For me, the mountain to climb of the skill-curve combined with poor design choices and the answer to "when does it become fun?" are one and the same.
I recognize that people love the games, and they do look pretty. But actually playing them is not very fun at all for some people.
The strange thing is, the community seems to have acquired a mentality of "mad bcuz bad" for any criticism regarding difficulty of "finding the fun" or "learning the game". A "Fromsoft is infallible and any attack on them is an attack on me". That's been my experience, at least. The DS franchise sits in my steam library, untouched. And so it shall stay. A regrettable investment and reminder of what could have been...if they had ported anything properly and cared enough about the meaning of a "pc release". Ranty, I know. Axe to grind, as I said.
@@zozihn8047 design decisions that are objectively bad? could we get an example or two?
Yikes, incel take. Elden ring 'storytelling' is lazy. You have these extremely talented game Devs pouring their hearts out to bring out masterpieces such as Horizon Zero Dawn or God of war, and all you weebs can think of is 'waifu Ranni!!'. It's pathetic to be quite honest, and a spit in the face to actual established AAA studio developers, who are working their darned socks off to bring you the best narrative possible.
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Yikes, incel take. Horizon 'storytelling' is lazy. You have these extremely talented game Devs pouring their hearts out to bring out masterpieces such as Elden Ring, and all you casuals can think of is 'waifu Aloy!!'. It's pathetic to be quite honest, and a spit in the face to actual established AA studio developers, who are working their darned socks off to bring you the best narrative possible.
I had to learn abt elden ring through RUclips atleast 90% of it story lol. Was fun playing but it’s just another soul game to me with fun power and spell tbh cos I didn’t feel any kind of emotion or anything wen playing just enjoyed leveling up, using spells and magic which was very fun. God of war on the other hand is a freaking master piece been playing since tge ps2 version. The game play and narration is truly amazing. I Have had all type of feeling play got and have grown really attached to the game.
On Asmongolds point about Placidusax I completely agree. I have always tried to check every corner of the area I’m in and clear optional passages before moving on through the clear path intended just because I know there could be an item or NPC or something, and that’s is exactly how I found Placidusax before reaching Maliketh. I saved my game and jumped down for the hell of it and imagine my pleasant surprise when I saw that cut scene after laying down and a big boy dragon boss floating in the air like a cocoon🤩
There should be some kind of journal to keep up with who you've met and what they've said. Some people have jobs, and our story playthrough has legit gaps in time between plays, leaving us struggling to remember who said what and where they are now. In the end i didnt feel connected to the story at all. I lost interest in what was happening and resorted to watching a youtube explanation video. Atleast have a mode that allows a journal, so the hard-core gamers can still log there 1000 hours of wondering around, while the rest of us can just enjoy the game and move on to pvp.
I gotta be honest, coming from a place where I played through every fromsoft game since Dark Souls 1, the story of Elden Ring is INCREDIBLY in your face. Yes, there's still room for theory as to what happened in the 1000 years since Hora Loux was kicked out of the Lands Between and his return, but really the major plotline is immediately revealed and there's no difficulty in piecing together the story. In comparison Dark Souls 1 only told you, that you are a risen Hollow, have a broken stick, survive.
Whos hora loux?
Hora loux is HORA LOUX, CHIEFTAIN OF THE BADLANDS
What i think is funny is that Elden ring has the most easy to understand story of all the SoulsBorne games by far. Try to understand Dark Souls story. I dare you! Elden Ring absolutely deserves the spot. Playing Elden ring is like reading a book. You can glance over it and just pay attention to parts of the story but in order to understand all of it, you have to pay attention. That is not a detrement
If you had asked me back when I watched the lore when dark souls was still popping off. I could 100%. I only remember roughly what the story is now
The Dark Souls story isn't hard to understand at all though. For most people, they meet Frampt and he literally tells you everything about linking the fire. Before that, the chainmail guy will tell you all about ringing the bells. Before that, Oscar tells you about the chosen undead prophecy. That is the "story" of the game and it's very simple to follow. The background lore and greater context of the story is more likely to be missed. I played through Elden Ring once and got Ranni's ending, and I have 0 fucking idea who anyone was or what was happening. I came into the game with no idea who my character was or why I should be trying to do anything. Why are we in that lonely island at the start? Why do we get ported to the mainland when we die there? Does our character have any agency outside of helping the maiden because she asked and we have nothing better to do? The game is filled with some cool moments and lore, but the actual "story" is very weak and disjointed.
I'm 400 hours and 50 pages worth of notes in. It's manageable but it is not easy. The (good) problem is that the game throws 1000 items in your face. Good luck sifting through all of them while not losing the plot. So far, I'm having a blast.
Nah I think sekiro is much more straight forward.
Understanding the story or the story being simple doesn't mean "best narrative" lol.
Best narrative will always require characters, one thing anyone playing elden ring cares very very little about
hate for elden ring = why a market for bad video games exists
A narrative is a story, no matter how its told. Dance, music, or art can all be used to tell a story. As far as best narrative, this aint it.
This situation is a bit of a cultural one. Since Final Fantasy 7 and other similar jrpgs, hiding extra challenges in not that obvious places has been pretty much a staple of the genre. It was what built the community. It's obviously an economical decision too because easily accessed media are just as easily digested and shat out. 😁
This whole argument is like shaming a maraton runner because of his smaller calves compared to those of a sprinter and saying he shouldn't be nominated to a runner award.
I haven't played Elden ring nor God of war but when god of war came out, I spent less then 20 minutes of watching a stream before I got bored and left, I watched like 7 different full playthroughs of Elden ring, every single one of them was so different from the one before that I enjoyed all of them.
Edit: Sorry, I was just stating my experience with these games, I did mean that God of was was a bad game in any way, just that I personally did not enjoy its story telling.
so I did opposite of that, what was ur point again?
That just means you were more curious about ER than GOW which makes sense since you probs already knew what to expect with GOW.
There's nothing wrong with God of war. It's just as much of a masterpiece if storytelling and game design in many ways just like elden ring. I believe elden ring certainly deserves to win, but it doesn't detract from how incredible God of war is as well. If anything, the gamers win for having such incredible games to choose from than one clear winner. They both deserve the accolades, one being great doesn't make the other bad. Just because it's not for you, doesn't mean it holds no weight. They're both beautifully crafted art pieces and you don't have to like both, but it doesn't mean one is objectively superior. It's subjective when you say ones better, because different people like different things. But I feel sad for any gamer that likes one but not the other, because they're both so fucking good and I'm glad to have both instead of whining about one or the other.
@@taylon5200 Sorry, I was just stating my experience with these games, I did mean that God of was was a bad game in any way, just that I did not enjoy its story telling personally
Instead of thinking wich game is better or will become game of the year be happy that we have amazing games this year
Amazingly yes! GoW:R and ER is a fucking gift to a dying gaming community, in need of something actually really good.
Elden ring and darktide are the only new releases I've really enjoyed this year, and darktide barely works lol
Ftr I've played GoWR through fully. It's a good game but I think it's overrated. It didn't really fix the problems with combat that GoW 2018 has and the narrative pacing goes downhill around mid-late game
I personally dont play Souls games for the story or narrative, but sometimes i do enjoy watching my VaatiVidya video about the games lore from time to time. But here is the thing about piecing together the story and lore via item descriptions. I think this style of narrative worked well for the other Souls games as they were relatively short. Looking for all item descriptions in Elden Ring would be obnoxiously tedious, because the game is simply way too huge for that. I bet 99% of the player base didnt bother to get all items in the game to piece together the lore. If thats an achievement you can get by investing a couple of hours, then sure, but not if you porobably have to spend a 100 hours on it. I`m not saying that Elden Ring should have opted more for cutscene style story, but they could have added more character dialogue which explains some things. Sir Gideon was already a great info dump character. They could have put even more focus on that.
It feels like those who hold Elden Ring close to their heart do not want to admit the cons or flaws such type of narrative has, immediately attributing to "naysayers" to laziness.
By not holding the player's hand and allowing it's players to figure out or create the narrative themselves is an option that Fromsoftware has chosen, it has it's benefits as when someone tries to figure out the answer themselves rather than being told, they tend to remember and enjoy the answer more as it took time and effort to achieve, but at the same time it can push away anyone else whose the story doesn't grasp enough to make them put in the time and effort for the answer.
To me, the fact that the majority of the player-base resorts to YT lore videos that explain the story to them is indicative of one of the flaws of this type of narrative design, regardless of how good one may consider it to be.
You can figure out the story by yourself if you try hard, a game is supposed to be challenging and rewarding, Elden Ring is, is you want to watch youtube lore or guides then go ahead, but it diminishes the experience.
Now the game is already huge, so if you get 20 hours in limgrave for 60$ then can't find any other region then you already got more than most games deliver. If you miss Placidusaax then who cares you got your money's worth, but there are more rewards with more challenge (exploration, etc.) And this is a good thing.
Saying that "watching YT for lore is bad" or "going outside the game for story is bad" is not a good argument. The greatest stories in history can only be fully understand by going outside the books. You don't need to think of "pushing someone out" because from the start you can't even get everyone in on the greatest stories and poems in this world lmao sometimes some story require more thinking than just feeling the story. Based of feeling GOWR like a good story capture feelings while ER is like a series of Poem or Haiku that you need to understand through context. It's like a pop song that can make you dance is good but a classical music with words you can't understand is still better.
You don’t have to go on RUclips to learn the games story.
Get Gud scrub lmao
@@asobimouryu9545 You're failing to point out that in the "greatest stories in history" you so cheerfully "quoted" to compare them to Elden Ring still have comprehensive stories in their books without the need to go outside, going outside helps you to better understand them and garner a higher appreciation for them. It is not a necessary process but a complimentary one.
On Elden Ring, they want you to feel the story to have holes and for you to go and search for answers, maybe theorize them on your own, but the vast majority of the player-base does not do that, and that can be considered one of it's flaws in it's storytelling process.
Elden Ring is heavily inspired on "Shadow of the Colossus", I'm surprised not many people get that, From Software is the creator of Kings Field and Dark Souls could be considered the evolution of that series, the director of Elden Ring, Miyazaki has said in the past that playing "ICO" is what inspired him to make games, ICO is like a prequel of Shadow of the Colossus, if you put that together you can see that Elden Ring is the love child of all those interactions, and it's beautiful.
Cringe weeb I can tell by how you think that you make less then 100k a year. Shadow was not the main game they drew inspiration from. I truly feel bad for your parents
and Dark Souls 2 oof
@@ezaf5989 -The 16 year old who knows everything and only speaks in internet slang
@@ezaf5989 wow, nice comment, very insightful. Truly the intellectual discourse I seek when I'm on the internet.
For sure, reminded me a ton of those games with amazing gameplay but shit narratives.
I was never a big souls gamer but my lady is. She bought me Elden Ring for my bday as it released the same month. I’ve played thru the game 4 times in full and it is one of my favorite games. I constantly tell my friends I wish I could experience Elden Ring for the first time again. Waking up everyday just fiending to go explore and learn more about the game was a feeling I hope I have again in gaming. Imo a masterpiece
Same 😢
Just play the dark souls games, you can have that experience again.
More linear, sure, but same meme
Hopefully you can find some of that in dark souls 3. I lost my mind when ruin sentinel armor came out in the last dlc i was like holy shit my favorite boss armor from a story i didnt know was connected to this... is wearable??? lets goooo
yeah play the originals, super fun. I still have dark souls 2 left!
Thanks for all the replies my dudes. Gunna start with ds1 remastered later this week!
I hate how Twitter is bleeding onto normal people and they start to develop idiotic opinions like thinking that Elden Ring has no story.
In my opinion Elden ring has good Lore, but barely existing story.
Just to clarify, when i say "Lore" i consider everything that happened before players starts the game and "Story" everything that player goes through.
@@Necrosian True but I prefer Elden Rings story telling to God of War for example.
@@finnish_hunter Opposite for me. Always preferred character driven games like GOW, cat simply enjoy blank slate protagonists.
@@Necrosian Cool, respect your opinion!
@@Necrosian that is not the defintion of lore or story
I think the strength of Elden Ring's form of narrative is that you can make as much or as little of it as you like. For me I think it is of passing interest and some form of aid to quest completion or item collecting perhaps. Its almost like ambient music. Unnoticed potentially but a less rich experience if it was missing. Now my little girl (6) who also plays, has her own story.. I'm getting to the golden tree!! She saw that when she first stepped into the open world and it has been her guiding star all the way through the game ever since (is now at the capital-though I did the big bosses for her). She knows the names of major characters and where she/we encountered them but I doubt she could recount any back story other than they were a Boss or perhaps a god(demi). I probably could though to some degree, like I know Millicent is connected to Malenia somehow. Do I know all the story? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps next time something else will come up. I kinda like that.
This reminds me of my first experience playing a fromsoft game. I started with Dark souls 3 and pretty much had no idea of what the story was while playing. I had the introduction of the 4 bosses and that was my goal. Talking to the nps I was able to piece enough together to fill my imagination with my own idea of what’s happening. After playing I found lore videos and learned how wrong I was about everything lol. Then made my next playthrough that much better when I found out why things are happening.
I'm honestly more upset that Endwalker isn't even nominated for best narrative.
Imo endwalker ending brang it down a bit. Would've been more impactful to me if they went through with the idea to kill off some of the important side characters.
Besides that though I honestly think it does have a better narrative than GoWR though lol
The story is good cause the player is the story. You experience it first hand not told to you or given. You character finds the clues and puts the pieces together. Like a trip to Italy. You put your narrative together based on you trip. Each trip is similar on the plane ride but once you land “your” story begins.
Well said. Yeah i feel like my first play through i learned a little bit about the world and then delved into one goal, it was an amazing experience. I had never used magic before in a souls game, so i played as a prisoner and i studied sorcery, my goal being to uncover the secrets of the primeval current. When my character failed to do that, he settled for severing the world from the greater will so that there would be hope again later
I’m convinced, it’s because they weren’t good enough to experience the narrative it’s a hard game, it’s a souls game and not everyone is going to beat this game
I loved the story, one of the reasons I've played the game so much is because finding out the story as I play and learn about the world was amazing
What story ? Elden ring has the thinst story if you can call it a story I Ng+ the game 3 times but still don't understand the story there is non story. Only insane amount of lore
@@MR_IceBlood It's just a big appeal to a lot of people, finding pieces of lore and filling the gaps. People wrote a lot of stuff about it online and it's really well made and clever written like almsot all Miyazaki games. Since the lore is literally the story of the world leading to the ending the lore kinda IS the story lol
Personally I'm enjoying this a bit more like standard hollywood "in your face" narrative stories, it's a bit more engaging and interesting
@@bighatastrea good for you but do you think all who Elden has looking for all lore and now has 300hrs in it ? I have 200 hours ng+ 3 times I don't have all the lore I watch a RUclips video to get all the lore to get the hold story that is not how you tell a story sorry but it is ture
@@MR_IceBlood Think about it like this: Its an RPG, so imagine youre not a player behind a monitor. Youre actually the character. You wake up from the dead in a dying world. god knows for how long youve been dead and you have no idea what to do or what your purpose is. So, out of curiosity, you... do shit I guess. Because what else are the people in the world supposed to do. You kill some big bad dudes, some characters tell you something interesting, maybe straight up some history or story of something specific and if youre interested and want to know more, you can explore more and read item descriptions, thanks to which youre able to understand the story of the world more and you can think of some theories for yourself, and then if you want you can confirm them by watching YT or something. Its immersive, the game wants you to feel like youre actually the character that doesnt know anything, and neither does the player. I prefer this story telling compared to the other more mainstream story telling where the character doesnt really know anything and then the player gets a popup where it explains everything for you. Curiosity is one of the main aspects in these games. You search for answers and you get them but you also get more questions, which then makes you more curious again and the cycle continues. You said theres no specific story that you follow but instead just lore. Thats sort of true. I think of it more like the the other dude said. the lore IS the story, you dont follow a story in the present, because, lets be real, in that world, completely shattered and almost lifeless, there isnt really any story to have anymore. Everything already happened, so youre just finding out about the story of the other important characters. Its mostly their story first and then your story second. They are literal legends, they have churches, cathedrals and followers. You just... woke up from a big nap, nobody takes you seriously at first, but after some time, you will find out what your true purpose is and you will realise that your actions have much more impact than you can imagine. There is a story, it might be obscure, but its there. Youre pretty much just given a goal. "Become Elden Lord". And then its up to you if you actually care enough to learn about why you should be Elden Lord or if become Elden Lord is the right thing to do. Or if youre just lazy and dont care about any of it, you can just do whatever the game tells you and get it over with.
@@MR_IceBloodthat sounds like a you problem to be honest. Many people including me understood the story either in their first, or subsequent playthroughs. Always read item descriptions and find hidden NPCs, you maybe haven’t explored as much
Man playing Elden Ring made me wanna give a try to Dark Souls and all those other games. Cause well, fromsoft seems to have all the right ideas for how w game should be made. Design Is incredible and the amount of ways to play is incredible in this game.
Plus it doesn't seem like the whole theme with those games being so hard is even true. You just need to learn how it works and memorize attack patterns etc, which you should have to do in every game honestly.
Games used to be about being unforgiving and got more and more forgiving as years went by
Bloodborne is absolutely phenomenal
@@Sargaxiist2022 would have tried it if it was on PC ,but well, playstation only
@@killer8217gaming not gonna lie, I got a ps4 just for bloodborne and it was worth it.
@@Sargaxiist2022 Bloodborne is FromSoft's finest. It is a crime against all gamers that we don't yet have a remaster or a sequel.
@@mateusz7953 10000000% agree
I vastly prefer the storytelling in elden ring.
I think many other games have these linear ways of telling you the story where you basically just walk down a path, beat enemies in between and the main characters or narrator tell you the whole story. These type of games often make me think I could as well just watch all the cutscenes and dialogues instead of playing the game. That doesn't mean these games have bad stories, in many cases their stories are great, I just don't think that super linear path is an engaging way to tell a story.
I love all the mysteries about elden ring. Not knowing what exactly is going on, not knowing who you can trust, finding small cues about bigger events that happened in that world etc. It's just such an interesting way of telling a story and even if you don't end up having all your questions answered, it is an incredible experience.
The amount of videos of ER I see months after being released like "can I beat ER using only X build" with thousands of views is incredible, I still go back to it from time to time and try these. Ragnarok is an amazing game but ER made me feel like a child again and my personal GOTY. Still waiting for callisto protocol since I ama sucker for horror games.
The fact that so many people can have discussions and even arguments about what the story of Elden Ring actually is proves to me it has great narrative. I've changed my mind on so many things about the game just from learning new tidbits of information, have one theory and then it gets completely blown out the window by new information making you rethink how you view the world every time you load up a save. Also, skill issue.
Or it just means that a lot of people don't even like the game and wonder why people try so hard to make it game of the year. I think it's more a case that there is no good competition.
If people have to argue what the narrative is....then how is it a great narrative? That means it failed.
@@henli-rw5dw have you played the game? Do you know what Elden Ring is?
@@shreksmeatballs9435 how can an asmond viewer not know it. He spent enough hours hacking through it with his Halberd. Did I care about the story? No. Neither did he.
That's called not having an acutal story and they do the same thing with every game and you just eat it up and call it a masterpiece when you can't even answer basic questions about the story it's funny af
To me Elden Ring is the greatest game since Skyrim and Witcher 3. It is one of the greatest games ever. And definitely the most important game of the last decade. Elden Ring gave me a series of worlds to adventure and explore in. It chastised me for my failures, and it rewarded me for my succesess. I could craft my character any way i wanted and still be viable and find success. I had to learn and memorize the map locations, i had to seek and search, and explore the entire world. I had to overcome great challenges and set backs when up against a wall like Margit, and the Giant with two swords and the little horse, Malenia, and the final boss fight. I communicated with other players around the world and helped them find secrets as they in turn helped me. Sometimes I trolled, and sometimes I was trolled. I had to be present and focused at all times to ensure not falling off an edge, or being instantly killed by a random enemy. I was able to put down my sigil and travel to other players games and help them defeat the hardest bosses in the game over and over and over hundreds of times so that they could defeat their impossible challenges too. Playing Elden Ring was like playing Zelda the first time back in the 80's on the original Nintendo. Or Skyrim, or the Witcher 3. Elden Ring belongs to a select few of the greatest games ever made. It's a masterpiece. It's far beyond the scope, and understanding of any modern game since Witcher 3.
bloodborne better
I still think GoW ragnorok still had a better narrative, that game invokes actual feelings in its story telling and dialog, while Elden Ring has a more abstract way of story telling where even when you have all the descriptions, you still have to interpret their meanings and invision the actual events yourself.
There's one big problem I have with Elden Ring's narrative: The quests. Completing the quests is next to impossible without a guide, and some even have you able to skip steps, like Ranni's quest line. The NPCs are a big part of the worldbuilding, and you can meet one and never see them again for the rest of the run, or run into them much later after you skipped various steps.
Compared to the Souls games (Anri's quest not included: That's just as obscure as your standard Elden Ring quest line) where NPCs would just show up in your path, you're missing out on a lot of interesting stories purely because you don't know where they went, nor how to progress.
Outside of that, Elden Ring has fantastic world building and narrative. I like GoW: R's story more just because I really love the characters, but Elden Ring is also great in this regard, in a different way.
thats how souls games are
Git gud.
The reason u dont like it is because U knew beforehand that Ranni had a special ending. If u didnt know that u wouldnt even care. Thats how secret ending used to work. Now all mystery is lost and can be achieved without following the trail and looking up a guide. In short, u need a guide cus u gave up and wanted to cheat ur way to the ending u didnt deserve.
Best narrative definitely should of gone to gow Ragnarok.
@@pranayravi9449 I never said I disliked Elden Ring's narrative? I said the opposite?
And I didn't know Ranni's questline at all and got that ending first run because I stumbled my way through it. I did, however, miss several beats in the questline. I never went to Selevus and the other magic lady for their clues and just ran into Wolfman at the Festival randomly. That's what I was saying: You can miss a lot of things just because you don't know where they are.
You're kinda leaping into all kinds of conclusions.
This game requires you to have an attention span of more than 7 seconds something people nowadays don't have.
??? For real? Did these people even play the game?
In a contest of lore, I'd say Elden Ring beats GoW Ragnarok due to the simple fact the lore is completely original instead of borrowed from real life mythology. However, Ragnarok's central narrative, characters, and emotional beats are all just better. I understand the appeal of Elden Ring's type of esoteric story and characters, but in a lot of ways it really feels like something I've already seen before in FromSoft's older games.
Well ELDEN RING is the GOTY so what ever
Been watching my friend play it who played the other three games and i haven't been giving him hints, he's doing just fine on his own without any guide and he's using a strength build and a club for his first playthru
It's about the narrative that's a bit too hidden, not the gameplay. Personally haven't seen much narrative despite having put quit a lot of hours in the game.
@@LittleSparklingStars the story is the journey that took place from a nobody that became elden lord, everything else is a description of what when why where how but its left for you to understand and just like in real life if you don't try to interact with the world you will get no story because you are your character in this story
@@thebanable7721 as I said I put a lot of hours into the game. There is a lot of lore, but not a lot of story. It’s not about how it’s told but rather that there’s just not that much of it.
@@LittleSparklingStars lore is narrative but I get your point maybe its because I'm huge fan of mystery novels that I just don't feel the same way you do about this topic
@@thebanable7721 sorry but lore isn't narrative, story is narrative. And I love mystery too, but pacing is very important in those types of games.
The reason stray might have been nominated so much was probably cause of categories such as "best indie game" which stray is one of
i remember stumbling upon mr 2 headed god dragon and the inner kid in me was jumping for fckn joy because how badass what was. a fckn random ass boss when i was just exploring and having a good time ends up murking me about 10 times and started reminding about how margit wiped my ass out 30 times before i claimed victory. i fckn love elden ring.
@@gmee123 so how do you think discovery works? did you do any exploring at all? because if you did you'd know that the long ass rock form a stair case like of construction that beckons you to go further down with a literal prompt telling you to lie down but if you don't believe me, that's your problem lol
Nothing says "amazing story telling" like having to watch a 5 hour video explaining the lore.
Way to expose yourself for having low iq
I didn’t have to watch shit, and I got 80% of the story j from playing. You are lazy
I think having environmental lore is some of the most immersive lore there is. I also think it's valid for people to not like that.