Getting Hype to Gatekeep People Who've Never Played the Genre is Kinda Weird
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I have been a recovering League of Legends player for more than five years.
It's not about winning, it's about getting revenge on League of Legends.
Round start SPD your cocaine addiction
this is valid.
I was recovering for 3 months then Arcane pulled me back in. Dammit, Riot.
I was almost a year and a half sober until Arcane and this shit pulled me back in. Not as much as before but still.
Talking about league like a drug addiction never gets old
"I got fuzzy ganked" hit me in a way I didn't think was possible
So… you got fuzzy ganked?
Bugged Rengar really be hitting fuzzy ganks
"Imagine fps players getting hype to beat people who have never touched a mouse and keyboard" It's literally a thing in COD to get hype to play after Christmas to destroy all the children who had to wait for their parents to buy the game for them.
"SWEET MEMORIIIIIIIEEEEEESS"
I don't think that even exists anymore with sbmm, I certainly didn't get "bot lobbies" last Xmas or the one before with MW2019, might be because my stats were too high, but I have never had a lobby in either MW2019 or Cold War that felt like the opposing team didn't know what they were doing.
Lmao, in my first CS:GO match even my own team was killing me. Fucking up newbies is half the fun in an FPS
@@Seph4096 no but there are ppl complaining about it bc they actually get matched with players of relatively equal skill level, so they cant just beat ppl up thx to a flawed matchmaking
There was a period of time where COD players were having a meltdown over skill based matchmaking and tryna argue that it shouldn't be in COD since it doesn't make them "feel good" when they're on an even playing field rather than rolling over noobs. Leffen was on the front lines roasting them. One of the few times I completely and totally agreed with the man.
"It's way easier to do nasty shit than it is to learn how to beat nasty shit."
My God he's spittin
This is the truth, the way, and the thing all scrubs should reckon with.
@@jesusfgc778 it makes perfect sense if you aren't a dingus, ya dingus.
@@jesusfgc778 No? Learning a fucked up mixup is just a copy and paste; learning defense requires a mix of knowledge-familiarity-and mindful LABBING
@@jesusfgc778 the point isn't that offense doesn't take skill or intellect, it's that often the defensive response requires some reaction, anticipation, or execution, by design, which makes it harder than the sequence of inputs necessary for offense. Otherwise top level players wouldn't be able to open eachother up at all and they'd just be trading effectively neutral attacks back and forth.
As simple as it sounds, jumping over a Hadouken *is* more difficult than throwing one, yeah? Expand that principle to more in depth offense and mix and it makes perfect sense as a statement.
@UCAg4q383XePpbsTOp24tjPA go online on any FG and you can find a shitload of randoms throwing out fucked up canned mix they learned off of twitter. It's a lot rarer to see people who dominate through absolute defence. And when they do they tend to be amongst the elite. There's a reason for that.
League players making up their own terms is gonna be funny af ngl
The fgc couldn't accept that league players can learn, so they blamed the children. Arcane is Mid, Round 1 Mash
League players gonna use an assist at a bad time then blame the loss on their teammates fr
@@the0therethan They're about to report their own assists
Tekkenlike time
@@darklsins Yeah, Dyrus and Doublelift are just like the average League player! No difference at all between them and 98% of the playerbase.
Arcane is mid lol
I can’t wait for project L. I ain’t gonn be alone in scrub quotes now
Facts
Yeah the Tencent Fighter looks so good
damn I never though about that, imagine all the league of legends players scrubquoting.
People going to be inting
@@reviewcomplete3701 Lmfao. I'm gonna be so mad if this turns out to be the dopest fighting game to only get shut down by China for communism things.
FGC: We wish people would play our games and talk more about them.
*A community wanting to do just that*
FGC: Woah buddy, you crossing a line that shouldn't be crossed
I don't remember how it came up, but I once told a friend of mine the type of stuff that happens on r/Fighters and she legit told me "They sound like the boomers of competitive gaming".
@@VernulaUtUmbra That's actually spot on in every possible way. Old RTS people would probably be the next in line for that title if there were more of them nowadays.
I want more people to play my games and talk about them. I spend 80% of my FG talk calling players bitches.
They just need to learn kid 😂🤔
I think most people are happy that Project L will bring new players, but talking shit is half the fun. I'm happy you're playing kid, but I'm still gonna call you a bitch-made moba toddler.
@@jakovidd99 I don't know if your referring to me as the "Bitch-made moba toddler" but I rarely ever play mobas. Fighters are probably my most played genre where as Mobas are among the lowest. So I'm a wee bit confused as to what you're getting at.
Dude, I can't wait to hop into the maternity ward and fight all the new contenders. That will DEFINITELY help with my own personal self worth.
I remember there was an episode in iCarly about a guy who was a cook and prided himself in being the best cook and once he lost at a cooking competition the 40 something year old joined a little league wrestling tournament to smoke the 10 year olds. Thats what this discourse reminds me of
So I'm not the only one who thought about that. Good to know.
Someone mentioned ICarly. In a Fighting game context. Holy shit
I’m calling it now, there will be a kid who has never played a fg, he plays project L for the first time, likes it and in a few months he is beating some pro fg players or at least competing with them.
The league player base is so big that there is no way this doesn’t happen. I will love to see the fgc reaction to those people.
League isn’t an easy game. These kids are really freaking smart.
They’re just gonna have to learn to eat losses.
Losing in fighting games hurt WAY more than losing in team-based games. It takes patients and self evaluation, instead of pointing fingers.
Some absolute beast who's memorized the abilities of almost the entire roster and knows how to counterplay just about anything will be able to do some insane shit in a 1v1 scenario
Obviously there's gonna be a chunk of the community that thinks it's great that new blood is coming into the community. The other chunk will go "this kid would be getting smoked if he was playing a real fighting game and not this baby's first fighter League game"
@@massterwushu9699 not a single moba is easy bc of the high amount of characters and abilities and items and combinations of them all (5 players = 5 different characters per team, each player gets 6 items so there u have a ton of posibilities). This is why mobas are such a niche genre, and even then most of the players could tell u by memory only what every character, ability and item does
@@cerdi_99 And that's not even going into people who play characters like Aphelios (Constantly switches between five guns based on usage, so you have to keep track of what you just lost and which one's up next) or Invoker (Has three ingredients, Q, W, E, and then presses R to get one of 10 spells on the fly).
when this game comes out you need to find your characters anti air as fast as possible. they will jump in every time.
@Tony Montana "it's a Fighting game, not a blocking game".
@@yamato8000 But... it's not a blocking game
@Tony Montana yeah and? Have you actually met a new fighting game player like "oh yeah I'm gonna BLOCK!"
@Tony Montana grappler player?
“Tekken-like” is genuinely funny though. We all know that PL will be the Dark Souls of pvp Tekkenlikes.
"They will call an assisst and run at you, and do a mixup (...)Then they're gonna twerk all over you and you're gonna be like "my fundamentals" ".
Majestic
1:30 classic Justin "you gonna learn today" Wong disagrees.
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD
No no you're cheating
Sajam: "You're not that guy, pal"
I never want to make someone get mad in a fighting game, but if they are already the kind of person to get mad, you bet I want to be the person to do it.
I’m the same way. I never WANT to make some one mad but when I do it’s kinda funny. Depending on who it is
Very well said🤣😂🤣
Bro if I'm just schmoovin around and these people are blowing up at very well established strategies in fighting games, that is funny as fuck. Like the Justin Wong "YOU GONNA LEARN TODAY" clip.
Can't wait to spend 3000 hours in training mode trying to do Riven's BnB
nah son they got 1 buttion specials and supers in project L. your not gonna be in training mode for that long. just plug and play
@@1starfalco1 so what your saying in fighting games are only difficult because motion controls? If that’s the case then why is Power Rangers so crazy it has one button specials and supers
@@captainnwalps6689 That's a reach.
"Less time spent in the lab".
@@captainnwalps6689 if you've played BftG you'll be right at home in project L. Some of the guys who made BftG is part of the team making it, and from what I've seen, the system being used is kind of a mix between BftG and Rising Thunder.
@@captainnwalps6689 bro he meant praticing the character he didnt say anything about the game itself
No lie, Sajam is the most consistent voice of reason in the FGC
it certainly appears that way. just take note of the times his shit eating grin leaks out after saying some suspect shit.
Okay, so it seems the fgc has a frightening lack of self awareness on this topic, evidenced by some of these comments. They immediately try to either reframe or find excuses for this behavior without even considering what they're actually doing or how this makes us look. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding here.
All I’m saying is watching pokimaine get tod’d would be hilarious
On the contrary. I'm so ready to get smoked by some random MOBA player who's brain has become huge from years of League and learns the whole game overnight.
Brain cells definitely die playing that game but okay bro
@@reviewcomplete3701 Brain cells die from interacting with other players not the game.
There are so many league and valorant streamers who play Smash to destress after hours of intense play. The FGC doesn't realise how much intense concentration and wide range of tech and knowledge is needed to play mobas and fps.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Ultimate or Melee?
@@chrisolivares7828 Yes
I'm actually stressed out about losing to MOBA players and having nothing to live for. Without an execution barrier, I fear my small brain will be exposed.
You sound to me like a low-mid level melee player in a nutshell
all execution no gamesense lmao
I think FGC folks tend to over-prize their own skill. They think that they are uniquely good and that other genres are sooooooo much easier.
My dudes, MOBAs are hard. They take tons of memorization, situational awareness, reactions. Good MOBA players who actually put effort into PL will be better than most of us commenters after a week or two. I’m prepared to be top 30% on day 1, then down to bottom 30% by the end of the week. (I’m close to median in most FGs I’ve put effort into).
I'm guessing the number and variety of distinct moves as well as the special move motions are big culprits in giving FGers that impression. Turns out that a lot of that is illusionary. Different types of competitive games are roughly equally hard, just in different ways.
This is one of the few based comments in this comment section filled with stupid comments about beating LOL players.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Seriously. Try rolling into trials of osiris without playing a shooter ONCE. You'll get shitstomped so hard it's not even funny.
Games of different genres are hard in their own way. Fighting games, MOBA, shooter, RTS, rhythm games, dark souls, etc.
FGC dudes always has this misplaced superiority complex towards other games when 100% of the time they'll get bodied in team tournaments. Gatekeeping new players into trying fighting games is pure stupidity, like, do you even want this community to grow or not? Fighting games, ESPECIALLY anime fighters are always on the brink of dying unless they're big IPs, keeping new players away won't do anyone good lol.
It's such a strange thing the FGC does when they cry that community needs more fresh blood... but an opportunity like Project L comes along and FGC immediately just goes "Man the gates!"
Weird stuff man.
I do look forward to the new terms the MOBA players come up with. Infil gonna be doing work again.
“It’s to keep undesirables out!” And then end up in an echo chamber with no one new who wants to play with them. Suddenly, they’re the undesirables playing their gatekept, dead game. All while screaming about how games like Project L don’t deserve their success and how their game is the greatest.
Don’t forget that it was Sajam who killed their game too... just like he did with granblue smh my head
Becomes less strange when you realize that communities are made up of individuals and are thus not a monolith incapable of opposing viewpoints... So done with these disingenuous “FGC: also FGC:” types of commentary that add nothing worthwhile to the conversation.
@@Sakaki98 could you explain your point more elaborately?
@@dressigvil The FGC member who wants to welcome new players is probably not the same person as the FGC member looking to gatekeep.
Scrub: Can't wait to gatekeep people new to the genre.
Same scrub: Man, I wonder why more people don't get into fighting games and stay.
I can't wait to get stuck in the corner and say "This guy is camping me in the corner!"
See, I was a CSGO player when Valorant came out. And you KNOW that we we're all saying the same shit that the FGC is saying about Project L. Turns out, when push came to shove, the "moba players" we're actually quite good.
When i played smash 5 for the first time i got destroyed by a young guy when i had been playing since smash 3
Same thing will happen in project L
There are plenty of people who will play that game and there are bound to be skilled people among them
Not all of them are toxic either
And plenty of the comments im seeing here have some toxicity to them
Mostly those that have the mentality of “league is toxic so now i can be toxic back”
Which is silly
Gatekeeping serves the vital function of keeping undesirables out of your hobby.
The only problem is nobody agrees who these undesirables are.
Hoping for a mic option so I can be called a racial, slur round 1, and prove this point right
@@anotherinternetperson8495 RIGHT??! I need to taste the salty tears of my opponents.
People who want to change what Fighting Game Culture historically is. That includes the difficulty.
I feel like it isnt hard to say "no bigots, no rapists, no Johns"
But aren't the indesirables already there??
Reminds me of when Kazuya came out on Smash Ultimate and everyone was calling him a Shoto and everyone was angry
The most hilarious gatekeeping happens anytime a grappler is top tier. Large portions of the FGC have a massive breakdown immediately.
@@johnharrison7449 THIS!! Let anything besides rushdown(flashy and/or long combos)be top tier and people flip shit. Don't you dare let a Zoner or Grappler be anything more than upper mid tier, cause than the game is just trash for no reasons in particular.
@@pimper7000 to be fair, Injustice basically died as a game because they didn't curb their zoning plague.
@@seokkyunhong8812 yes, but like you said that game was plagued with zoners. A majority of the top ten were zoners and if they weren't they at least had a good projectile. Plus, it often ended up very spammy and less of strategic placed.
Bro I remember the second argument was like “But Kazuya’s in a 2D fighter so that’s what a shoto!”
And just… the smash community really called Tekken a 2D fighter.
Influencers: "Why make enemies when we could be making friends, we need new blood in our community!"
Also Influencers: "Time to wreck these fucking kids in Smash/Pokemon Masters/Multiversus/Nickelodeon! Get these kids out of here!"
FGC calling LoL players toxic while acting like the entire community isn't infamous for controller-smashing and rage-quitting is so hilarious to me.
Like, dude, try typing fgc to the searchbar right now and look at what pops up.
I got, like, 3 different sites for a train company in Catalonia.
I got Florida Gateway college and Friends General Conference
If you are talking about the Smash community i agree, but i haven't seen that many people in other fighting games combined smashing controllers or throwing tantrums as much as smash players do, not even in youtube videos.
the brilliant fighting game community
Well... that's backfired.
Regardless, your point still stands, frankly I think the FGC and MOBA communities have a lot more in common then either is willing to admit.
The thing is, it's not about being mean to League players to keep them out, it's about making sure they feel right at home.
What kind of bizarre backwards shit is this?
So this is why people say the fgc is toxic...
@@bguy6778 gotta take some L's before ya get the W's, somone has to do it to them (thats the way it be)
Moste still killing it with the thumbnails
Thanks for consistently posting thoughtful content and making good discussion about FGC.
Also, you died in my friend's Nuzlocke today
"We should always welcome new players to the FGC!"
"Yeah, c'mon in, LoL players!"
"Wait, LoL players? Can I take back that first statement?"
I play way more league than I do strive, and I absolutely cannot wait to see how these people cope with fighting games. They are a different breed, it should be very interesting
@MrLocomaximo this but I am scared
Both FGC and League players used to people calling for nerfs when it’s only because they salty… same thing!
Not that different tho, many assassins and fighters have a lot of combos that people need to practice, laning is just a diferent breed of the neutral game while jungling makes you learn mind games, you also have to keep track of cooldowns that are similar to frame data, and other things that could help the transition
@MrLocomaximo you say this like it doesn't already happens in strive
@@BRAZILIAN_MIKU There's essentially nothing that will transfer from League to a fighting game. Saying cooldowns are in anyway similar to frame data is a stretch by a very far margin. "Combos" in league function on a completely different system than in a fighting game and operate on extremely different rules, and the execution barrier is much lower. Skill in League is measured first by your knowledge and then by your individual champion mechanics, because the complexity of the game lies within how all of the game's systems interact with one another, not so much how well you can perform shy combos on Riven. None of this means league takes less skill or practice to learn, but I think you'll find yourself quickly disappointed if you go into the fighter assuming you will have a ton of transferable knowledge and skill.
these are probably the same people that create smurf accounts
yes
I can't wait for people to have fun playing a new game.
Imagine being like 13 years old and wanting to try out boxing because you saw your older brother do it once and the moment you enter a boxing gym, Mike Tyson runs across the room and clocks you in the face with a GoPro on his forehead. And then he goes to Twitter and uploads a clip of it and makes fun of you for not dodging his left hook and losing the fight.
That's what these people sound like.
I’m a veteran Tekken and Street Fighter player and if you are new to the fighting game genre, Welcome! Some pretentious pricks ought to try and discourage you on your journey but I hope you keep going and eventually realise how good you can get, good luck!
edit: I can’t express enough the value of patience in fighting games no matter how fast the game may seem please be patient both in practice and combat
I'm just happy League is getting into a genre I can vibe with. I swear, every time I hear a person say "Fighting games are so hard to learn because it doesn't feel like you get to play, unlike mobas where etc etc", I feel an urge to punch them through my screen. I try to play League, because it's something to do on Discord with friends and I kinda get how people that say "I don't get fighting games" feel whenever I make the attempt. Mobas are a fucking bizarre creature to me, and while I have not spent alot of time on them between the 2 years I've played League, I can still hardly understand a single thing that is happening. Or more accurately, what I'm supposed to do about everything.
That said, I kinda like some League characters and some of their mechanics have that same fighting game energy of "Wow, this is an interesting spin on playing the game" and I'm now just excited to get to enjoy that in a form, where I actually understand what is happening.
This about sums up my thoughts.
So for me it's like. I know just enough about both genres to where I can tell what I'm doing wrong, but not always how to fix it. In fgs it's ok, learning is the name of the game, in mobas I am acutely aware every time I mess up how badly I am letting my team down.
So yeah I enjoy fgs a lot more
Have you played the tutorial? I feel like the tools necessary to understand what's happening are really well developed in games like League and Dota. The developers understand how complex the games can be at a beginner level but they really do a great job of wading through a lot of the garbage to give you the fundamentals.
@@AriyanK0091
I wasn't able to start playing without doing the tutorials. I think up until now they helped absolutely nothing. Mostly because much of the game's difficulty, much like with fighting games, doesn't have much to do with the mecahnical side of the game.
Situational awareness in Legaue of Legends is vital. You need to pretty much know what is happening in your lane's parameter and knowing what happens outside of it is helpful to let you know the former. Junglers are very dangerous in the game, because the lead they can assist with securing can mean the difference between who wins the lane. You need to know where he is, what his situation is and be careful to not let yourself go too deep for a gank.
But if minions go further out than you'd like, how do you secure creep-score? What are good times to ward river? When does "roaming" begin? Is dragon or Herald/Baron up? How do you catch up when fallen behind with a lost tower? You need to consider all of these while simultaneously just playing the micro-game of fighting your lane and playing footies with the other champions.
It doesn't help that the people I play with are anywhere between levels 73 to 297 (I am 32, for the record), so the game's ELO has a shit-fit and I'm matched in incredibly lopsided games.
“You don’t get to play the game. Here, try playing main tank on Overwatch.”
These are the same people that are going to be super mad when their friends that are MOBA players reach their level really fast and start beating their asses up a week into the game's launch
Only if they fucking suck. I've never seen someone that actually plays fighting games lose to someone who's been playing for a week. I don't care what people say, I'm going to teabag, style, taunt and do everything in my power to frustrate people.
@@yungskeleton-wotvffbe8939 it depends on the game and how much time they put into it. When strive first came out my non fgc buddies had close games with me, but they stopped playing and I didn't so to make the matches fair now I play characters I'm jack ass with.
@@yungskeleton-wotvffbe8939 I can't wait to see how long your rant on Reddit about how "the game f*cking sucks" will be when people start doing that to you
as a former league player and a current fighting game enjoyer, I can tell you that every time I play fighting games with my league friends they stick around for like 20 minutes, lose and then they jump back to league... after spending years of their lifes with that genre they don't usually have the patience to learn anything new
@@Sorrelhas Cope, seethe and mald.
I agree, I honestly dislike when I steamroll someone in a fighting game, I honestly don't rematch if I see that BUT if they want it... I do it not to beat them again but for them to then have me as someone to practice with (and obviously I tone down my gameplay and try other stuff so they also have a better chance).
People wanting to beat new people abusing they have no idea and enjoying that IMO are scrubs, the same ones that insta quit without rematch when they lose and feel they wasn't able to rob me in a match lol
BASED.
this game is very simplified compared to sf4 or tekken with 1 button specials and other simplified mechanics , just give new players a small handful of time and they will start beating people. plug and play
Hey, thanks for doing that against players that are far weaker than you.
I'm a newbie at fighting games with GGST as my first game. I don't want to play in the tower(ranked) that much because of the rematch limit and play in the park instead. Most people are better than me and I often wonder why they're willing to fight against me, who cannot even take a game, or even a round if they want to do that, from them.
I'm thankful when people like you are willing to rematch a lot of times and let me practice, for that I guess they cannot get as much out against me as against other better players.
@@hao7350 for me strive match are too fast, so 3 games just went by with a breeze, I usually do a first to 5 at minimum. Also higher lv player can still practice with lower player (even though it's not as same lv playing each other), they can still pratice their timing, combo route and do more experiments
This but if they are talking shit I will clown as hard as possible
About that FGC terminology…
There are maybe 10k people playing every single fighting game on Steam combined right now (excluding Smash clones). There are tens of millions of League players. If even a fraction of the League players jump into project L and stick around, whose terminology is going to win? Headshot or overhead? League players coming into the FGC is going to change the FGC a lot. I don’t think it’s going to work the other way around so much.
But who knows. Maybe I’ll be wrong.
I never thought about that but youre right. Maybe it depends on what they label things in the tutorial and what the resources for project l end up looking like
“I can’t wait to be a terrible person to anyone who is of lower skill than me” is literally the vast majority of the fgc….it’s sad when a nice person is the exception
I don't want to gatekeep, I just want to beat them with their favorite characters
this is also so analogous to people crying over autocombos in KoF XV. they want a way to turn it off and only play people who have it turned off, and in their head it's because they're so pro and oldskool but in reality it's because they suck so bad that they're scared they'll lose to someone mashing jab
I can't wait for project L just so i can actually have friends to play with
It unfortunately happens with every fighting game, especially games with big IP’s attached to them. I didn’t play them myself, but I can only imagine what DBFZ and Injustice online was like on launch
"It's always the Nagoriyuki players... maybe if you guys labbed your character." I lab, I am just bad. Though I've had to lab a lot harder for Millia lmao.
Can’t wait for project l I don’t play league but really love the world and lore they’re making. Have been playing strive too as my first fighting game so I’m just so stoked.
this reminds me of when dragon ball fighterz was the new hot game coming out, and rhymestyle was getting trashed talked by fgc people cuz he doesn’t play traditional fighting games on his channel, but when they actually fought, rhymestyle smokes them and they were left in utter defeat. It was hysterical.
I think the appeal to gatekeeping the moba fellas is that they are the one community as sanctimonious as we are
Its gonna be funny seeing all the scrub quotes from professional, top-of-their-class blame shifters.
Thought Sajam was reading those quotes from Kappa at the beginning XD
I’m not gonna lie, the idea that I’m probably my gonna farm a bunch of people that don’t know how to play has definitely crossed my mind. It’s not the reason I’m gonna play the game, and if the game ends up being as good as it shaping up to be, won’t be the reason I keep playing it, but it definitely crossed my mind.
"Counter hits are crits" and "the game is RNG" broke me lmao
If nothing else, I hope fuzzy gank becomes a term. That is an amazing combination of words.
A certain subreddit needs to see this lmaoo
Bruv, i just can't wait for Project L. In my country people don't really play fighting games that much, but they do play mobas. I hope Project L will make them intrested in fighting games
this is what i'm excited about. since League is popular in my country and my friends, I hope they get hooked in playing fighting games after trying project L
This is my biggest hope
Kind of same in Brazil, except that KOF used to be really popular some 20 years ago. It has been on the rise again with anime fighters recently, so I'm looking forward to Project L bringing those people in.
@@eduardoserpa1682 Has KoF15 brought back attention to KoF?
@@crinsombone5380 Not much, it's mostly just the people who were already into KOF. Mostly the FGC boomers who have been playing '98 and '02 for forever.
I cannot wait for Project L. I feel like it's gonna be the biggest boost to fighting game players we'll have ever seen. Finally I'll have people my skill level to play with!
So true. In strive (at least pre crossplay pc eu) the tower is just dead bellow level 6. To be fair, it's partially the fault of the dogshit system since i see floor 4 players running around on floor 7 but starting a fighting game a year after launch is incredibly aaaaaaaaaasssssssss. A large pool of players means more beginers and that makes being a beginer smoother since you aren't matched with the fgc no lifers who never played a different game in their whole life.
I think people will be surprised that one button specials will allow new players to grow faster.
maybe i have the wrong read on this, but i think it's fine to look forward to bodying new players. it's the circle of life - you were once in that position, and now you get to be the bad guy. it only becomes actual gatekeeping when words and social interactions enter the picture.
if the only way you can feel good about playing a game and your only wins can come against people who have never played in the genre before... I think it might actually be you who's really bad at this game/genre
When I was 7, I entered a Mario Kart Wii tournament at my local library, and got SMOKED, went 0-2, and cried. This experience shaped me and gave me the competitive drive i have today, and if i can do the same for new moba players I will happily gatekeep them, so to speak
Fighting Games are the only place I am willing to continue generational trauma.
we're all dragging a fat stockholm syndrome along with us lol
Oh no, my fundamentals!
Mah footsies don't work in this fast pace game?
I will never not call meter "mana". Finally I won't be alone.
LoL players are gonna get GOOD. If there’s a demographic dedicated to learning it’s them
i thought they just tried to sabotage each other and argue in chat for 14000 hours
@@videoclunk4731 they're not going to be in a team together, so that won't happen.
Sajam ust described the episode in Seinfeld where Kramer is the best student in his karate class
I got friends who play league and honestly I can't wait to play Project L with them.
I think it's important to remember the difference between scrubs and new players going into this release.
Don't underestimate PC players. They know how to use a keyboard, and they know how to use it _very_ well.
They gatkept me from playing leauge now I must gatekeep them from existing
1:53 It's not my only enjoyment, but it is most certainly is one of them. I'll never forget when I first started playing sf4 and got bodied so fucking hard. I had no idea what I was doing wrong then. It's a beautiful moment when you play fighting games long enough to become the person doing that to someone else. It's the circle of life, but in all honestly I love teaching people how to play if they want to learn.
It's been that way since the first fg's in the arcades. Newbies have to be disciplined, to speed up their learning of what the real game is (i.e outside single player and training/tutorial).
It is fun to see new players slowly call you out on bullshit or start responding better in certain situations. I had friends that got into the genre late and when they'd get mad about something I'd break it down for them. Usually it was something bogus that worked due to their lack of knowledge.
I wasn't there in the early CoD lobbies, hoping to have that experience when playing Project L
I love the third place guy meme image so much, puts a big smile on my face to see it in the thumbnail
will this be the first dev to actually teach you how to play a fighting game in a fun way since TFH!?
I'm hype for Project L. The CannonBros™ are gonna bring it, netcode and all! I don't even care about the IP, so long as the game is great.
I'm not excited for gatekeeping, I'm excited for teaching them all the wrong terminology.
All what Sajam described reminded me of Ercole, the main antagonist of Luca.
can't say I'm not guilty of thinking it's gonna be fun to dunk on new players but I do want to show them what's possible and bring them up to speed so that they can at least enjoy fgs as much as I do
I honestly love the champion Warwick and even though I suck at fighting games I still can't wait to learn him if he gets in.
If you don't play fighters, you should know that this is the best attitude to take. Find a character you think is fun, stick with them, and the time spent learning them becomes the most fun part.
And then you can open up the can of real scummy tech to just mollywop people and it feels so good
@@GenericSoda Awesome. :) Well I can't wait. Hopefully Riot and the Cannon Bros do the genre justice. LET'S GOOOOO!!
Killer Instinct has Sabrewulf, similar style of character, big werewolf guy, very fun character, super fast mixup character that literally mauls you for most of his moves.
Sajam threw the heavy mix up on me.
The title.
as someone with a long history of league and only a few years with fighting games, yeah, I always find it super weird to see these tweets
it feels bad for me to see people say "yeah I dont give a fuck about league! but im excited to beat league players in this game!" like man what? can we just be excited about a new fighting game?
Sajam is acting like people are excited to gatekeep league players because they're new and not because they're league players
Meanwhile I'm here just not knowing if I should be happy it's going to bring some more people into the genre or sad that it's Riot of all companies that it's doing it. There's no hype, just confusion lmao
Gatekeeping is a moral imperative. It keeps away the dishonest actors who just want to use your hobbies as a vehicle to spread their ideals. Which usually ends up destroying said hobby.
fuzzy gank had me dying, thanks Sajam
I like to body new players, but it's not because I want to keep them out of the games I play. I want to show them all the sick stuff my game has to offer, and tell the new players how to do it if they ask.
It is the natural instinct of a man to be a mentor to people, it is in our dna the love to teach
I can't tell if you're joking. There's a better way to do this than mercilessly bullying them.
New fighting games getting released is like the first week of the new year when everyone hits the gym
Justin Wong vs a 12 year old child
And then you have players like me, who have been playing League competitively since season 3 or so, and have loved Guilty Gear since X. Super hyped for Project L!
Yall are really underestimating us MOBA players yea we played 1 game for like 10 years but every year we have to relearn most concepts of the game because something changed. It's not going to be hard to learn concepts for fighters maybe our mechanics would be shit tho
It's not gatekeeping noobs or new player. It's league players, specifically.
This is morally correct sajam
I really don't understand what gatekeeping means in this context. There will plenty of videos teaching people how to play and tons of tech being posted to twitter, discord, forums, etc. No one is going to prevent League players from accessing that content.
So, in the end, the only way you could even potentially "gatekeep" them would be to beat them. But if they've never played a fighting game before, that's an inevitability. They're going to have to learn, just like I had to.
I'm not going to sandbag someone just because they're new. Having said that, they're perfectly welcome in this space, so long as they're not being complete assholes.
I agree. I feel like getting "gatekept" like how its described in this video is apart of what it means to be a fighting game player.
@@snkenjoyer4989 what kinda stockholm syndrome bullshit is that
@@Parpeing losing is how you get better. Sorry i had to be the one to tell you :/
Of course I want to bully them. Those people are my former teammates. They deserve no mercy.
Riot's entire culture is what prevents me from seeing any enjoyment from Project L. They put out a show and fighting game and everyone has suddenly forgot they were and still are Blizzard level toxic in their workplace.
They're, like, not though. Blizzard took the Riot scandal and dialed it up to 11. Finding their behavior appalling is perfectly fair and rather justified, as is not wanting to give them money because of it, but Blizzard was on a clearly different level, both in the actions taken and in their response afterward(Riot, by all accounts I've seen, has actually made quite a bit of progress since their skeletons escaped the closet whereas Blizzard has...um...)
yall wouldnt wanna make fun of league players there are skills theyre gonna carry over
Is Sajam gatekeeping the gatekeepers preemptively?
_Damn he's good._
As someone who grew up a cod gamer, I must respectfully disagree with your take on what we called, "Christmas Kiddies Season"
The real meltdowns is gonna be from FGC people who thought they were hot stuff getting bodied in Project L by the MOBA crowd.