One thing to mention about the trackpad and running out of space is that, if you do run out of space you can literally just keep the original finger pressed down where it is at the edge of the trackpad and then use a finger from your other hand to continue dragging as much as you like from anywhere else on the track pad. As long as the original finger press is still held down you can drag and lift the other finger as much as you like and it will keep moving.
For the "columns" measurement, you probably should close VS Code's side bar. They didn't look equal in size in the brief glimpse shown. (Yes, I know this isn't a scientific measurement but hey -- we're pedantic programmers here)
Just a shout out that this content is fantastic. I am thinking of switching from windows (for the first time in my life) and these videos have really helped give me an impression of the machines day to day. Keep up the great work!
@@grozaGolubei I bought the larger 16". Not as portable, but the screen real estate is useful for programming & research. Its also one of the most good looking monitors I've seen, so that helps.
2:07 "Here is an Xcode project. And take a look at the menu at the top. You'll see that on the 16 inch model, the Xcode..." -- I stared so hard at the screen waiting to actually see the menu but womp womp lol
That’s what I do on my laptop everyday, and I’m using 2017 pro with 16 ram, sometime the fan spinning so loud and everything become so laggy still I don’t know if I should buy the new MacBook Pro
In what scenario are you plugged into 2 monitors, which are probably stationary and require an outlet for power, and also not plugging in your macbook to charge?
I watched over 40 youtube reviews last 9 days to decide 16' or 14'. I bought 16' last night and I want to cancel my order for 14' . Once I cancel my order I can re-purchase 16' again. It is crazy. I can't decide. 14' is so sexy to move around but 16' has pretty screen for movies. Help me god.
I’m in the exact same position! Man, I feel so tempted by the larger screen real state and the battery on the 16', but the 14' is SO much portable and lightweight… And I do emphasize on that bc I know I’ll be needing to take it with me in my bag every single day since I go to college. But I don’t have any set up at home with huge monitor, so the larger display kinda feels like the right choice since the extra space benefits my workflow… such a hard decision. Have you made up your mind yet? Lemme know if you do
@@809sebas It is crazy right? If I were in college I would go with 14’ definitely. Yesteday, I brought my old 15’ to store to compare 16’. Honestly the size and weight is almost same. 16’ has chunky heavy old 17’ just by look but it is not. That’s why I didn’t cancel my order. By the way either you buy 16 or 14’ you will make the right decision. They are the best product of 2021 in my opinion. I have not seen a single person talking bad about new MBPs. Actually, it is just overkill for most people in my opinion. I would easily settle down with 15’ lightweight first gen m1 chip with all ports and its amazing xdr screen. All the best with your new MBP.
Same here, what was your choice at the end? Did you get the 16" or 14", I can't decide yet, such a dilemma since I'm thinking to get the MacBook for the long run :(
Agree with you on the size issues on an airline. I run a 2012 MBP, and I feel cramped. Yet, here I am, considering the 16” model-because that is my preference. If (or more correctly) when I fly again, I will just have to live with the cramped airline usage. At least I know the machine will run cool on my lap. But with that said, the 14” vs 16” size is worth mentioning on this.
I did the same. Reason for me is mostly frontend. It’s very convenient to have bigger areas to work with in responsive web. Even when I do more backend stuff I tend to use lots of terminal windows, and it’s nice to be able to view many of them at the same time. I have external monitors, but I really value the times when I don’t have access to them. Like in meetings or other stuff.
I got the 14 inch, 24 core, m1 max, 32 ram, 1 tb. Most of my dev work is with an external screen, And I also own a 16 inch intel pro, and 16 is just too heavy to lug around. There is nothing that 16 inch M1 Max does that 14 inch does not. And if you need extra battery on the go, just get a 50 watt Mi powerbank, that should give you a full charge on the 14 inch. That's like 30 hours (heck even 15 of high intensity work would be great) of desktop performance on the go, more than most would ever need
what do you do that requires M1 max the only Software Eng I know are Game Dev in-which Win is better than MacOS but why would an App/web dev need an M1 max I support the 32 shared memory option cuz of swapping & the SSD gate issue
@@ko-Daegu Why not, there’s a bunch of work on AI etc that is way faster on the max. And sorry windows sucks for a developer, it would slam productivity levels, no one i know works on a windows machine professionally. It’s either a mac or linux.
it's funny, I Carry with me a MSI GT70 from 2014, it weight with the PSU, i dont know, maybe 7KG? so, when someone says 2.2kg is heavy, I laught and my spine stop cracking
Everything is relative. For me MPB16 feels incredibly heavy after switching from Air M1. I just don't understand why he weighs so much, It just feels like full of concrete inside as one of commenters here mentioned
Factors: CPU (at least upgrade to 10 core one), RAM (consider getting 32 GBs), Bandwidth (consider max chip, even a binned one with 24 core gpu), SSD speed (512 is slower, consider getting at least a TB)
Cool review alex, been a fan for quite a while now and always love your "corny" jokes. xD I'm also a "Fullstackoverflow" developer and a fan of M1 chips. You're always been my go-to youtuber -- when in comes to laptops, since all of your reviews are related to programming. :D. Keep it up man! Keep on making cool contents.
I watched hundreds of videos. And decided 16" then it arrived , 5 days were enough to change my mind. I was not looking for ultra mobile laptop but still 16 felt not right. I returned and now waiting for 14" to arrive. Thanks apple for allowing the returns. If not i would have to live with wrong choice for few years.
Is it overheating when you do a coding or typing on your lap? What is the most comfortable Macbook 14 or 16 to lie in bed with a laptop? can you open 80-100 tabs at once in browser without freezing? Is it overheating when you plugin external 1-2 monitors and what power usage laptops start using in 14 mac with 8 cores vs 16inch 10cores?
I guess Alexander has never experienced extended crunch times. :) Quite a few times I've done *really* long coding sessions, with my longest one being close to 32 hours. Of course, I was near power the entire time, so wouldn't need a 21 hour battery life, but still: obnoxiously long coding sessions do happen. :o
Also, don't forget that Apple Care + is more expensive on the 16" as well. I am really happy with the 14" 10/16 core 1TB unit. I have been using a Lenovo P53 with a xeon and 4k OLED for some time, and the macbook is faster in most uses, in some dramatically, but I get more than 3.5 hours using it unplugged...
What would be nice - and I haven't found any clip anywhere.. is a good test and test of how these sizes affect when you work on places other than a desk. Couch, on the bed etc.. would nice to actúally see what it looks like.. how's the balance difference when the laptop is on your lap for example.. etc etc
Can you show VSCode with a vertical split? typically on a smaller device (incl my 15") id hide the project file list (cmd+b), turn off the minimap (View -> Show Minimap) and use it with a vertical split, e.g. code on left, test code on right. Often with the integrated terminal at the bottom too.
In the Apple Store with VSCode, I can tell you from actual hands-on experience that the 16" provides much better screen ergonomics than the 14". BTW, I was using 19pt font size on both the 14" and 16". Also, I closed the minimap and file navigator. In short, the 16" is perfect for vertical split-screen development but the 14" would require one to do a lot more horizontal scrolling. I have Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro and I plan to go with a 16" M1 Max with 64 GB RAM, 32 GPU, and 4 TB SSD.
Have you done any battery tests between the two machines? Really curious to know how much battery gets used doing things like compiling large projects, basic vs code usage, etc.
It absolutely doesn’t, no need to question it. I have 3 high refreshing rate high res monitors plugged in and the bottom doesn’t even get warm no matter what I do. My old 2019 gets toasty as soon as I plug in a 4K display and it gets really loud.
Also to answer you question, the new shape is more uniform where as the old one tapers off, they are about the same thickness. The air intake on the new ones are a lot larger. I think apple wants the laptop to run without audible fan noise 99% of the time
As nice as the new machines are, I'm far more interested in an M1 Max mini. I need lots of screen for development, and I far prefer a mechanical keyboard like a Happy Hacker. I hate looking down at a screen, and if I want sound, I'd much rather hook up some real studio monitors.
Exactly. That's why I consider a laptop for pure mobility. Why get a larger screen in a laptop that I won't use for very extended periods of time? Those extended sessions will most likely be on my desktop, which is powerful, has a very large screen, a comfortable chair, a mechanical keyboard...etc. I want a laptop for mobility.
I have my MacBook plugged in to two large curved monitors. Almost never have it out / open it. 🤷🏻♂️ But if I’d have to take it somewhere, no problem. A mini has no advantage despite price.
Thank you for sharing and all the time and creativity you put to make the videos. I would like to know your perspective, it's not clear to me if you're happy or satisfied with the new MacBook Pros, looks like in real world there is no too much difference for your workflow. with the M1. Please let us know and Thank you again, I love your videos.
Great Video! About the notch, if we use background with black colour(at least on top part is black), then the top bar is entirely black and the notch is not very obvious. The problem you shared remains though.
I'm really in doubt here.. as a dev, we usually work in full screen mode for apps anyway (VSCode, Browser), so is it really really that much better with 16" vs 14". If you cannot see all your lines of code without scrolling, you should probably refactor anyway :)
I'm torn between 14" and 16", as well as torn between M1 Pro 10 core and M1 Max. I am leaning for the 14. I hate the fact the menu breaks with the notch on the 14, because I do have a lot tools that have many menu items and many status icons. I do want portability, because I'll code on top of a mountain or coffee shops. I also have an ultrawide at home. So maybe smaller screen isn't a problem at home. I don't know anymore. What about performance, I'm a web dev and I've got docker running and couple of servers running too. So maybe it's more Ram intensive rather than an M1 Pro 10 core or M1 max?
If you are at home most of the time for work, then just go 14" and use the monitor. 14" is going to be better on the go, but if you travel a lot and need the extra real estate, then go for the 16". Other than that, I think the cooling is another issue... 16" does stay cooler than the 14" but this is only for heavy CPU tasks like rendering 3d scenes.
are you running VMs and with current work flow have you checked your memory usage? TBH I was most concerned about that with multiple environments open, too many tabs, and VM if you need it but memory swap seems to handle it pretty effectively. I've seen comparisons betwen 16 and 32 gb and higher still has memory swap occurring. I think most people can still run the base model 14 with a heavy workflow and be more efficient than most of the systems that devs are currently using.
I got the 16 inch because my local apple store only had the 10 core m1 pro in 16 inch and the 8 core m1 pro in 14 inch. I wanted to 10 core with a preference for the 14 inch. I went for the 16 for the 10 core. This thing feels like its full of concrete.
I watched your video twice and didn't find the conclusion of your video's title... did you choose the 14" or 16" MacBook Pro for software dev? I'm guessing the 16".
Thanks for the real world review! I am typing this on a 2018 Macbook pro 13" The system is great and I hands down love the trackpad but the keyboard is lacking for any serious typing, screen is too small, the font too tiny AND increasing the font messes with the layout on the screen. Is the 14" any better - noticeably better than the 13"? Or do I need to go the 16" ? I like the 14 but I am replacing a desktop soon and need something portable with a keyboard for typing, decent default font size and a display that looks "proper" where I do not have to strain my eyes to read. Thanks!
Is 16gb RAM and 512gb with 8 core CPU m1 pro enough for Visual Studio Xamarin Forms? I really need your help with this for me to decide. Thank you very much. On my 8gb RAM m1 mac mini I always experience crashing while programming on VS xamarin forms because of ram.
What if we put so many thumbs up that Alex stops being a developer... It's a good video, but we need a developer who is blogging, not a blogger who is developing. P.S. nevertheless thumbs up
Just wondering if the palmrest vibrates when you play music through the speakers? Apple Macbook Air 2014 does making very unpleasant feeling when the one keeps their hands down on the keyboard.
Should I buy M1 13inch MBP (16gb, 512gb) or the 14inch (base variant 16gb, 512gb)... Android developer primarily.. But here the 14inch is costing almost 1.5x the 13inch (seems a bit too much for me) How much difference would it create on a day to day life? Is it worth it? Looking for your suggestions. Thanks.
If you are going for an M1 base chip get the max book air - the MacBook Pro M1 is not worth the extra money. Then M1 MacBook Air is fantastic for android/Xcode development work for the price.
Hey, also an Android Developer here. If you decide to buy an M1 mac, definitely buy 16gb ram. I recommend air over pro cuz there are almost no differences between them and air is cheaper.
дома подключаю к внешнему монитору, клавиатуре, мышке и нормальному трекпаду. на коленях удобнее работать тоже удобнее с маленьким. 16" раньше выбирали из-за видеокарты, сейчас, при одинаковых спецификациях, выбор для меня очевиден - 14" в максималке кроме диска, его достаточно и 1Тб))) 16 дюймов - это не носимый ноутбук, а скорее стационарный. очень ждал выхода именно таких макбуков, равных по железу, но с разными диагоналями, за это готов простить челку и лишние ненужные порты)
I'd like to see how many python threads I can spawn on this machine when mine finally comes. Man that sounds really weird when I read it back to myself.
@@BrieoRobino My initial comment was meant to be a little humorous, but it does turn out I CAN spawn more threads and run faster scripts on the M1 than my previous windows machine, a Hades Canyon SOC. I'd hit diminishing returns on the intel chip and have to dial back the number of threads, but on the M1 I can add a few more and get some extra speed out of it. Anyhow, that's cool.
Hey, Alexander! Thanks for another great video! How about the specs on CPUs and GPUs for a developer? Do you have any idea on the differences between M1 Pro and Max (base models), development wise? I mean, is the difference that big between these two processors? I understand that it all depends on what I'll be coding, but maybe someone could help. Thanks again!
What kind of coding are you doing? If it’s mainly web stuff then really the M1 MacBook Air is more than sufficient, or the base Pro. If you are looking at heavy data science or machine learning work then that’s likely where the max will come in.
@@benpearce2044 Thanks for the reply! I won't be using it for data science. I'll mainly be using it to run some VMs and Flutter. So I think that M1 Max (base model) will be overkill, right? The Air should do the job, but I'm looking for the better webcam, more than one external display and higher DPI of the Pro (I'll be coming from a 4K Dell, so I got used to that amazing resolution 😄)
@@FelipeViaud the display is fantastic I have to say, my 14inch 24gpu max arrived earlier today and it is fantastic to work on! 😁 The M1 pro chip with be great for you, only thing is how many VMs will you be looking to run simultaneously? As they do require a decent amount of memory to run. 🙂
@@benpearce2044 Once you work on a high DPI display, it's a pain to go back to a FHD display 😁 About the VMs, I think that 16GB RAM would be fine for now. Maybe thinking about keeping it for the long run, I would get 32GB. That could be a 16-inch M1 Pro base model with 32GB (right now at U$ 2,899.00). I don't think I would need a better GPU spec.
You haven't done 21 hour all nighters? I haven't done them lately but back in the day while walking uphill both ways I sure did :) I gotta go for the big screen because vision!
Would you be able to run a couple of ML related benchmarks on the new machines, Alex? Maybe GeekbenchML? I’d be interested to know how the Max chips compare to the Pro. My 24core max arrived today and Id be interested to know how the 16 and 32 compare. Cheers!
I am trying to decide between air and 14inch base version. I do basic stuff and more into coding in r and business intelligence visualization development like power bi, tableau and lite video editing. Also, I have the habit of keeping for long until it dies. I am moving from i7 7th gen. What is your suggestion?
My 14 inch Max, even charged with my many years old Google Pixel 5 charger (which can provide maximum of 9V at 2A). Yes the charging was slow compared to the Apple brick, but it the job.
This is one of, if not the biggest reason I am considering the 16" even though 95% of it's life will be spent on a desk connected to an external monitor. I want my system to be silent as much of the time as possible.
Great video! I am in between putting 200 more either in 1TB or the 16" model, this really helps. Do you think 16GB unified memory is enough for development, like in Unity, mobile and some data science in python? Considering that I'd probably have the laptop for 4/5 years give or take. Or should I try to upgrade to 32GB for 400 extra?
I would suggest upgrading to 32GB. I have 2019 Macbook pro i9 with 16GB. Having Chrome open and running build or just running the game in Unity almost maxes out my ram. Usually at around 13-14GB out of 16. Super easy to max out 16GB at least for me when I have more that 1 project running in Xcode or. Unity. and some other apps in the background. Waiting for my 16" m1 Max with 64GB ram right now!
@@Lola2012ful that's what I've been reading, I come from a Windows PC and wanted to upgrade, and if I were getting a windows it'd be a 32GB, but with the MBP is it worth 400 more?
Alex (or anyone reading this with the knowledge), do you have any thoughts on 14” specs? I’m in the VERY early stages of learning development and am leaning toward buying the 14” and am quite confident that the base model will be overkill for anything I’ll be doing anytime soon. But, for the sake of future proofing a little I’m considering spec-ing it up a little. Would you think money is better spent going up to 32gb ram or the 10core CPU?
My experience as a dev is that if you need to ask, you don't need to upgrade. Running into performance issues because of increased memory pressure is very noticable! You can also keep an eye on your Activity Monitor to get a feel for how much RAM you are actually using. Hope this helps!
You're not going to be just coding for 21 hours. Might want to throw some compilation in there. Building in Xcode, Building with gradle/maven. these things eat battery life if you've ever worked on medium to large sized projects. With 16 inch you're realistically looking at 6-7 hours battery life when it's at 100% capacity brand new. When looking beyond 5+ years - because this computer is a long term investment - you'll be seeing around 4-5 hours coding time with it's battery.
I want to get one but I have the MacBook Pro 16 2019 i9 full upgraded so I'm a little hesitant on if it's worth it. This laptop doesn't struggle with anything it's just loud with the fans.
MPB 16 2019 is a beautiful machine. If you're ok with performance and battery life and fan noise doesn't bother you, I would stick with 2019 for a while to make it pay off and then upgrade to M2/M3 or whatever to get more noticeable difference in performance. Plus keep in mind that there is still unoptimised/not working soft on M1
Maybe you’re not familiar with this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_that_broke_the_camel%27s_back#:~:text=The%20idiom%20%22the%20straw%20that,that%20breaks%20the%20camel's%20back%22.
Missing Xcode clip is here: ruclips.net/video/pWh1rnuhFQo/видео.html , missing audio sample is here: ruclips.net/video/ijdzLmRIO7k/видео.html. 😅
M1 Mac Mini 16GB good for programming, iOS & android app development with XCode & Android studio Or go for M1 max?
Never pulled a 21 hour coding session?! You're lucky. I pulled one 2 days ago 😅 Not the first, not the last.
One thing to mention about the trackpad and running out of space is that, if you do run out of space you can literally just keep the original finger pressed down where it is at the edge of the trackpad and then use a finger from your other hand to continue dragging as much as you like from anywhere else on the track pad. As long as the original finger press is still held down you can drag and lift the other finger as much as you like and it will keep moving.
For the "columns" measurement, you probably should close VS Code's side bar. They didn't look equal in size in the brief glimpse shown. (Yes, I know this isn't a scientific measurement but hey -- we're pedantic programmers here)
I just got the 16” this weekend. I am an artist and graphic design is what I mostly do on it so screen size is a must so I can see everything well.
Just a shout out that this content is fantastic. I am thinking of switching from windows (for the first time in my life) and these videos have really helped give me an impression of the machines day to day. Keep up the great work!
And which size did you prefer? 16" or 14"?
@@grozaGolubei I bought the larger 16". Not as portable, but the screen real estate is useful for programming & research. Its also one of the most good looking monitors I've seen, so that helps.
@@Gus_Ellerm thanks
2:07 "Here is an Xcode project. And take a look at the menu at the top. You'll see that on the 16 inch model, the Xcode..." -- I stared so hard at the screen waiting to actually see the menu but womp womp lol
Thanks for pointing this out - I've added the clip to the video in my pinned comment
If you code on it as a primary display I wouldn’t want the 14 inch. I was happy to go from 15 to 16 inch in 2019
Well, i still can't decide. The 16inch is heavy but 14inch too small
Every bits of quirks covered, you are such an awesome person Alex 😃
attach 2 monitors, do usual staff,
open couple project
compile, recompile, open 20 tabs on chrome etc etc
and then measure batery life and fan noise
now that's real work add Discord and share your screen that's what I do with my mates
That’s what I do on my laptop everyday, and I’m using 2017 pro with 16 ram, sometime the fan spinning so loud and everything become so laggy still I don’t know if I should buy the new MacBook Pro
In what scenario are you plugged into 2 monitors, which are probably stationary and require an outlet for power, and also not plugging in your macbook to charge?
The notch is like you were in Remote Desktop, just with a fixed Center “bar”. 😀
I watched over 40 youtube reviews last 9 days to decide 16' or 14'. I bought 16' last night and I want to cancel my order for 14' . Once I cancel my order I can re-purchase 16' again. It is crazy. I can't decide. 14' is so sexy to move around but 16' has pretty screen for movies. Help me god.
I’m in the exact same position! Man, I feel so tempted by the larger screen real state and the battery on the 16', but the 14' is SO much portable and lightweight… And I do emphasize on that bc I know I’ll be needing to take it with me in my bag every single day since I go to college. But I don’t have any set up at home with huge monitor, so the larger display kinda feels like the right choice since the extra space benefits my workflow… such a hard decision. Have you made up your mind yet? Lemme know if you do
@@809sebas It is crazy right? If I were in college I would go with 14’ definitely. Yesteday, I brought my old 15’ to store to compare 16’. Honestly the size and weight is almost same. 16’ has chunky heavy old 17’ just by look but it is not. That’s why I didn’t cancel my order. By the way either you buy 16 or 14’ you will make the right decision. They are the best product of 2021 in my opinion. I have not seen a single person talking bad about new MBPs. Actually, it is just overkill for most people in my opinion. I would easily settle down with 15’ lightweight first gen m1 chip with all ports and its amazing xdr screen.
All the best with your new MBP.
Same here, what was your choice at the end? Did you get the 16" or 14", I can't decide yet, such a dilemma since I'm thinking to get the MacBook for the long run :(
@@axiones I got 16’. It is amazing device. You dont think again the size after the first day. You dont need 14’ for any reason. You will love 16’
@@lenso010 thanks, in fact I'm more on the 16" side, will take your words!
Agree with you on the size issues on an airline. I run a 2012 MBP, and I feel cramped. Yet, here I am, considering the 16” model-because that is my preference. If (or more correctly) when I fly again, I will just have to live with the cramped airline usage. At least I know the machine will run cool on my lap. But with that said, the 14” vs 16” size is worth mentioning on this.
Thanks again! I'm still good with my decision to order the 16" Max
may I ask what do you do so you need 16"?
@@bw7112 Full Stack development
I did the same. Reason for me is mostly frontend. It’s very convenient to have bigger areas to work with in responsive web.
Even when I do more backend stuff I tend to use lots of terminal windows, and it’s nice to be able to view many of them at the same time.
I have external monitors, but I really value the times when I don’t have access to them. Like in meetings or other stuff.
I got the 14 inch, 24 core, m1 max, 32 ram, 1 tb. Most of my dev work is with an external screen, And I also own a 16 inch intel pro, and 16 is just too heavy to lug around. There is nothing that 16 inch M1 Max does that 14 inch does not. And if you need extra battery on the go, just get a 50 watt Mi powerbank, that should give you a full charge on the 14 inch. That's like 30 hours (heck even 15 of high intensity work would be great) of desktop performance on the go, more than most would ever need
Literally identical reasoning to me! Very much enjoying mine as we speak 😁
what do you do that requires M1 max
the only Software Eng I know are Game Dev in-which Win is better than MacOS but why would an App/web dev need an M1 max I support the 32 shared memory option cuz of swapping & the SSD gate issue
@@ko-Daegu Why not, there’s a bunch of work on AI etc that is way faster on the max. And sorry windows sucks for a developer, it would slam productivity levels, no one i know works on a windows machine professionally. It’s either a mac or linux.
How long the battery last? Can you post link for tnt power bank?
@@bugged1212 Why didn’t you go for 32 core?
it's funny, I Carry with me a MSI GT70 from 2014, it weight with the PSU, i dont know, maybe 7KG? so, when someone says 2.2kg is heavy, I laught and my spine stop cracking
Everything is relative. For me MPB16 feels incredibly heavy after switching from Air M1. I just don't understand why he weighs so much, It just feels like full of concrete inside as one of commenters here mentioned
@@ZlodeyMr I use a MSI gt 70 that weights 4kg +1,5 power
saw many videos, yours was the best
Factors: CPU (at least upgrade to 10 core one), RAM (consider getting 32 GBs), Bandwidth (consider max chip, even a binned one with 24 core gpu), SSD speed (512 is slower, consider getting at least a TB)
Why should I consider the 32 GBs? I don't need it I guess
8 cores for me is plenty, I only got 1tb of storage instead of 512. Upgrading for extra ram is also pretty expensive
@@andrewn211 Yeah I'm thinking to do the same configuration!
@@luukbrugge Cool! Enjoy the new laptop :)
Is the 512gb SSD slower than the others? Can you detail it a bit more? I wasn't aware of that
this is the vid i needed as a data scientist
Battery life mostly matters on long flights. For that I carry a spare 100w USB-C battery
Pretty good idea
Can you charge a macbook using the usb c port?
I mean charge the 2021 14/16 inch macbooks
@@reardelt yes
Cool review alex, been a fan for quite a while now and always love your "corny" jokes. xD
I'm also a "Fullstackoverflow" developer and a fan of M1 chips.
You're always been my go-to youtuber -- when in comes to laptops, since all of your reviews are related to programming. :D.
Keep it up man! Keep on making cool contents.
Thanks 🙏
I watched hundreds of videos. And decided 16" then it arrived , 5 days were enough to change my mind. I was not looking for ultra mobile laptop but still 16 felt not right. I returned and now waiting for 14" to arrive. Thanks apple for allowing the returns. If not i would have to live with wrong choice for few years.
What is the reason behind 14"?
Is it overheating when you do a coding or typing on your lap? What is the most comfortable Macbook 14 or 16 to lie in bed with a laptop? can you open 80-100 tabs at once in browser without freezing? Is it overheating when you plugin external 1-2 monitors and what power usage laptops start using in 14 mac with 8 cores vs 16inch 10cores?
Gonna get 16 for iOS dev. I think screen size will be good enough to use it without external monitor.
I use 13 for that for years, no problems at all
I guess Alexander has never experienced extended crunch times. :) Quite a few times I've done *really* long coding sessions, with my longest one being close to 32 hours. Of course, I was near power the entire time, so wouldn't need a 21 hour battery life, but still: obnoxiously long coding sessions do happen. :o
If you professionally code, you're doing at least 6 hours on a normal work day. 2 hours seems like nothing
And if you do crunch time, I’d have a word with who ever is managing you.
went with 14" because I got a studio display when I need it. If not I would get the 16"
Also, don't forget that Apple Care + is more expensive on the 16" as well. I am really happy with the 14" 10/16 core 1TB unit. I have been using a Lenovo P53 with a xeon and 4k OLED for some time, and the macbook is faster in most uses, in some dramatically, but I get more than 3.5 hours using it unplugged...
Do you ever feel the 14 inches of screen real estate is too short?
14 inch: your choice of Pro silicon [*not* Max (throttling, battery)] 32g or more memory if needed (VMs), 96w power…
27 inch monitors for office/home.
Regarding characters and length: if you use stuff like Prettier, you will never lines that long...
What would be nice - and I haven't found any clip anywhere.. is a good test and test of how these sizes affect when you work on places other than a desk. Couch, on the bed etc.. would nice to actúally see what it looks like.. how's the balance difference when the laptop is on your lap for example.. etc etc
Can you show VSCode with a vertical split? typically on a smaller device (incl my 15") id hide the project file list (cmd+b), turn off the minimap (View -> Show Minimap) and use it with a vertical split, e.g. code on left, test code on right. Often with the integrated terminal at the bottom too.
Ah, a man of culture
In the Apple Store with VSCode, I can tell you from actual hands-on experience that the 16" provides much better screen ergonomics than the 14". BTW, I was using 19pt font size on both the 14" and 16". Also, I closed the minimap and file navigator. In short, the 16" is perfect for vertical split-screen development but the 14" would require one to do a lot more horizontal scrolling. I have Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro and I plan to go with a 16" M1 Max with 64 GB RAM, 32 GPU, and 4 TB SSD.
Have you done any battery tests between the two machines? Really curious to know how much battery gets used doing things like compiling large projects, basic vs code usage, etc.
So what MacBook did he choose in the end?
I’m keeping the 16
@@AZisk max?
If M1 Max does not need so much cooling as the previous i9, why did Apple make the laptop thicker, heavier and bulkier?
It absolutely doesn’t, no need to question it. I have 3 high refreshing rate high res monitors plugged in and the bottom doesn’t even get warm no matter what I do. My old 2019 gets toasty as soon as I plug in a 4K display and it gets really loud.
Also to answer you question, the new shape is more uniform where as the old one tapers off, they are about the same thickness. The air intake on the new ones are a lot larger. I think apple wants the laptop to run without audible fan noise 99% of the time
Because of more ports, especially HDMI and also because of liquid retina display. That's why it is thicker.
As nice as the new machines are, I'm far more interested in an M1 Max mini. I need lots of screen for development, and I far prefer a mechanical keyboard like a Happy Hacker. I hate looking down at a screen, and if I want sound, I'd much rather hook up some real studio monitors.
Exactly. That's why I consider a laptop for pure mobility. Why get a larger screen in a laptop that I won't use for very extended periods of time? Those extended sessions will most likely be on my desktop, which is powerful, has a very large screen, a comfortable chair, a mechanical keyboard...etc. I want a laptop for mobility.
I have my MacBook plugged in to two large curved monitors. Almost never have it out / open it. 🤷🏻♂️ But if I’d have to take it somewhere, no problem. A mini has no advantage despite price.
@@dinoscheidt despite? Maybe ‘other than’?
Thank you for sharing and all the time and creativity you put to make the videos. I would like to know your perspective, it's not clear to me if you're happy or satisfied with the new MacBook Pros, looks like in real world there is no too much difference for your workflow. with the M1. Please let us know and Thank you again, I love your videos.
8:48 the left side panel is way wider on the 14 inch
Nice video! Great job
Great work Alex! The speakers are actually the same exact size though, the grill is for aesthethics
Thanks for the clarification, however, it sounds different to me with the 16 bass coming through better
Thanks for the info. Maybe 16" sounds better because of echo as the speaker is house inside a larger chassis?
Great info!
your dry humor grew on me haha. nice comparison
My dry humor is like fungus
I also pick my dev machine by the lines of code that it fits Kappa.
Nice comparison between the two.
Overflow stack developer 🤣🤣🤣
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This guy is legend
Great Video!
About the notch, if we use background with black colour(at least on top part is black), then the top bar is entirely black and the notch is not very obvious.
The problem you shared remains though.
If you are using extended screens, the 14 inch is the best choice
yes but it does overheat because of the smaller fans
Macbook Pro 14 (1.6kg), Macbook Pro 15 (1.84kg) and Macbook Pro 16 (2.2kg) … 16 inch is so heavy damn shall we change to 14 inch ?
Hi do you have both?
I'm really in doubt here.. as a dev, we usually work in full screen mode for apps anyway (VSCode, Browser), so is it really really that much better with 16" vs 14". If you cannot see all your lines of code without scrolling, you should probably refactor anyway :)
Can you compare M1 pro 16GB vs 32GB?
Hide the dock!! Thanks! P.S. Menubar also.
I'm torn between 14" and 16", as well as torn between M1 Pro 10 core and M1 Max.
I am leaning for the 14. I hate the fact the menu breaks with the notch on the 14, because I do have a lot tools that have many menu items and many status icons. I do want portability, because I'll code on top of a mountain or coffee shops. I also have an ultrawide at home. So maybe smaller screen isn't a problem at home.
I don't know anymore. What about performance, I'm a web dev and I've got docker running and couple of servers running too. So maybe it's more Ram intensive rather than an M1 Pro 10 core or M1 max?
Also let's say if I wanted m1 Max 14", but that's custom config that takes time to get to my doorstep.
Performance is basically the same on the 14inch or 16inch. If you want the portability and have a nice monitor at home then I’d go with the 14inch. 🙂
If you are at home most of the time for work, then just go 14" and use the monitor. 14" is going to be better on the go, but if you travel a lot and need the extra real estate, then go for the 16". Other than that, I think the cooling is another issue... 16" does stay cooler than the 14" but this is only for heavy CPU tasks like rendering 3d scenes.
are you running VMs and with current work flow have you checked your memory usage? TBH I was most concerned about that with multiple environments open, too many tabs, and VM if you need it but memory swap seems to handle it pretty effectively. I've seen comparisons betwen 16 and 32 gb and higher still has memory swap occurring. I think most people can still run the base model 14 with a heavy workflow and be more efficient than most of the systems that devs are currently using.
You can use utilities like Bartender.
what is overflow development?
I thought you have been working on mobile app development.
I got the 16 inch because my local apple store only had the 10 core m1 pro in 16 inch and the 8 core m1 pro in 14 inch. I wanted to 10 core with a preference for the 14 inch. I went for the 16 for the 10 core. This thing feels like its full of concrete.
Could you not put the taskbar on the top instead of the bottom? Then the notch is on the bar instead program
So, which macbook did u get and what’s the config?
i didnt get it too :O
I watched your video twice and didn't find the conclusion of your video's title... did you choose the 14" or 16" MacBook Pro for software dev? I'm guessing the 16".
16”
@@AZisk Thank you 👍
@@AZisk Which version did you keep? With M1 Pro or M1 Max chip?
Thanks for the real world review! I am typing this on a 2018 Macbook pro 13" The system is great and I hands down love the trackpad but the keyboard is lacking for any serious typing, screen is too small, the font too tiny AND increasing the font messes with the layout on the screen. Is the 14" any better - noticeably better than the 13"? Or do I need to go the 16" ? I like the 14 but I am replacing a desktop soon and need something portable with a keyboard for typing, decent default font size and a display that looks "proper" where I do not have to strain my eyes to read. Thanks!
Friend, so what did you choose? I'm on the same path now and I can't choose. Thanks for the answer!
Would you recommend m1 macbooks for front end development?
Is 16gb RAM and 512gb with 8 core CPU m1 pro enough for Visual Studio Xamarin Forms? I really need your help with this for me to decide. Thank you very much. On my 8gb RAM m1 mac mini I always experience crashing while programming on VS xamarin forms because of ram.
How is the fan noise of the 14 inch; I will use it for visual studio code and some web browsing etc. As I plan to use it solely for college.
I wouldrather just a smaller screen. If a need a bigger screen, I will get a large smart tv inmy living room
What if we put so many thumbs up that Alex stops being a developer... It's a good video, but we need a developer who is blogging, not a blogger who is developing.
P.S. nevertheless thumbs up
"notches are in" - almost no one
Is it a good practice to sometimes take the macbook from the power cord? I mean, I use mine always plugged so, I was wondering if this fine
Just wondering if the palmrest vibrates when you play music through the speakers? Apple Macbook Air 2014 does making very unpleasant feeling when the one keeps their hands down on the keyboard.
It doesn't :)
Should I buy M1 13inch MBP (16gb, 512gb) or the 14inch (base variant 16gb, 512gb)...
Android developer primarily..
But here the 14inch is costing almost 1.5x the 13inch (seems a bit too much for me)
How much difference would it create on a day to day life? Is it worth it?
Looking for your suggestions. Thanks.
If you are going for an M1 base chip get the max book air - the MacBook Pro M1 is not worth the extra money. Then M1 MacBook Air is fantastic for android/Xcode development work for the price.
Get an m1 MacBook Air with 16gb. The 13" pro is not worth it, the air gives pretty much the same performance for cheaper.
Hey, also an Android Developer here. If you decide to buy an M1 mac, definitely buy 16gb ram. I recommend air over pro cuz there are almost no differences between them and air is cheaper.
What about specs, give us what specs are you comparing
дома подключаю к внешнему монитору, клавиатуре, мышке и нормальному трекпаду. на коленях удобнее работать тоже удобнее с маленьким. 16" раньше выбирали из-за видеокарты, сейчас, при одинаковых спецификациях, выбор для меня очевиден - 14" в максималке кроме диска, его достаточно и 1Тб))) 16 дюймов - это не носимый ноутбук, а скорее стационарный. очень ждал выхода именно таких макбуков, равных по железу, но с разными диагоналями, за это готов простить челку и лишние ненужные порты)
I'd like to see how many python threads I can spawn on this machine when mine finally comes. Man that sounds really weird when I read it back to myself.
You realize python doesn't do true multithreading? All of your threads will still run in one process.
@@BrieoRobino I do. But that one process that handle's python's "virtual threads" can be faster or slower depending on the chip, no?
@@jmpersic probably.
@@BrieoRobino My initial comment was meant to be a little humorous, but it does turn out I CAN spawn more threads and run faster scripts on the M1 than my previous windows machine, a Hades Canyon SOC. I'd hit diminishing returns on the intel chip and have to dial back the number of threads, but on the M1 I can add a few more and get some extra speed out of it. Anyhow, that's cool.
Hey, Alexander! Thanks for another great video! How about the specs on CPUs and GPUs for a developer? Do you have any idea on the differences between M1 Pro and Max (base models), development wise? I mean, is the difference that big between these two processors? I understand that it all depends on what I'll be coding, but maybe someone could help. Thanks again!
What kind of coding are you doing? If it’s mainly web stuff then really the M1 MacBook Air is more than sufficient, or the base Pro. If you are looking at heavy data science or machine learning work then that’s likely where the max will come in.
@@benpearce2044 Thanks for the reply! I won't be using it for data science. I'll mainly be using it to run some VMs and Flutter. So I think that M1 Max (base model) will be overkill, right? The Air should do the job, but I'm looking for the better webcam, more than one external display and higher DPI of the Pro (I'll be coming from a 4K Dell, so I got used to that amazing resolution 😄)
@@FelipeViaud the display is fantastic I have to say, my 14inch 24gpu max arrived earlier today and it is fantastic to work on! 😁 The M1 pro chip with be great for you, only thing is how many VMs will you be looking to run simultaneously? As they do require a decent amount of memory to run. 🙂
@@benpearce2044 Once you work on a high DPI display, it's a pain to go back to a FHD display 😁 About the VMs, I think that 16GB RAM would be fine for now. Maybe thinking about keeping it for the long run, I would get 32GB. That could be a 16-inch M1 Pro base model with 32GB (right now at U$ 2,899.00). I don't think I would need a better GPU spec.
@@FelipeViaud that sounds like a great choice to me!
You didn't say which you picked?
It’s literally in the thumbnail:) i went with 16
You haven't done 21 hour all nighters? I haven't done them lately but back in the day while walking uphill both ways I sure did :) I gotta go for the big screen because vision!
Would you be able to run a couple of ML related benchmarks on the new machines, Alex? Maybe GeekbenchML? I’d be interested to know how the Max chips compare to the Pro. My 24core max arrived today and Id be interested to know how the 16 and 32 compare. Cheers!
How to run this on a Mac? This seems like a ios/android only app
I am trying to decide between air and 14inch base version. I do basic stuff and more into coding in r and business intelligence visualization development like power bi, tableau and lite video editing. Also, I have the habit of keeping for long until it dies. I am moving from i7 7th gen. What is your suggestion?
Thanks
My 14 inch Max, even charged with my many years old Google Pixel 5 charger (which can provide maximum of 9V at 2A). Yes the charging was slow compared to the Apple brick, but it the job.
I don’t think you said which one you chose.
16
Cooling system in 16" is much better than in 14"
I have the 16 inch and have never heard the fans come on
This is one of, if not the biggest reason I am considering the 16" even though 95% of it's life will be spent on a desk connected to an external monitor. I want my system to be silent as much of the time as possible.
can you help me anyone m3 16.2 18gb vs m3 14.2 36gb ????
Thanks.
м1 vs m1 pro in xcode please!
you didn't reveal which you chose
The 16
Great video! I am in between putting 200 more either in 1TB or the 16" model, this really helps. Do you think 16GB unified memory is enough for development, like in Unity, mobile and some data science in python? Considering that I'd probably have the laptop for 4/5 years give or take. Or should I try to upgrade to 32GB for 400 extra?
I would certainly not get less than 32…
16 RAM M1 is like 32 RAM Intel, just FYI
@@petereriksson6760 why? Any particular reason?
I would suggest upgrading to 32GB. I have 2019 Macbook pro i9 with 16GB. Having Chrome open and running build or just running the game in Unity almost maxes out my ram. Usually at around 13-14GB out of 16. Super easy to max out 16GB at least for me when I have more that 1 project running in Xcode or. Unity. and some other apps in the background.
Waiting for my 16" m1 Max with 64GB ram right now!
@@Lola2012ful that's what I've been reading, I come from a Windows PC and wanted to upgrade, and if I were getting a windows it'd be a 32GB, but with the MBP is it worth 400 more?
Alex (or anyone reading this with the knowledge), do you have any thoughts on 14” specs? I’m in the VERY early stages of learning development and am leaning toward buying the 14” and am quite confident that the base model will be overkill for anything I’ll be doing anytime soon. But, for the sake of future proofing a little I’m considering spec-ing it up a little. Would you think money is better spent going up to 32gb ram or the 10core CPU?
You will need to run many vm soon. 32gb ram is better.
As a Javascript/Flutter Dev, is 32 GB RAM upgrade worth it?
My experience as a dev is that if you need to ask, you don't need to upgrade. Running into performance issues because of increased memory pressure is very noticable! You can also keep an eye on your Activity Monitor to get a feel for how much RAM you are actually using. Hope this helps!
You're not going to be just coding for 21 hours. Might want to throw some compilation in there. Building in Xcode, Building with gradle/maven. these things eat battery life if you've ever worked on medium to large sized projects. With 16 inch you're realistically looking at 6-7 hours battery life when it's at 100% capacity brand new. When looking beyond 5+ years - because this computer is a long term investment - you'll be seeing around 4-5 hours coding time with it's battery.
I guess if you have the money, why wouldn't you buy the expensive one?
I want to get one but I have the MacBook Pro 16 2019 i9 full upgraded so I'm a little hesitant on if it's worth it. This laptop doesn't struggle with anything it's just loud with the fans.
MPB 16 2019 is a beautiful machine. If you're ok with performance and battery life and fan noise doesn't bother you, I would stick with 2019 for a while to make it pay off and then upgrade to M2/M3 or whatever to get more noticeable difference in performance. Plus keep in mind that there is still unoptimised/not working soft on M1
lol overstack dev great one!😁😁🤣
You didn’t say what you picked.
You have other more important problems if carrying 1.5kg or 2kg makes a difference for you lol.
Maybe you’re not familiar with this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_that_broke_the_camel%27s_back#:~:text=The%20idiom%20%22the%20straw%20that,that%20breaks%20the%20camel's%20back%22.
what was your choice?)
I’m giving the 16 a good old try.
@@AZisk max +64gb+ 2tb?)
yeah, but how many fps in DotA 2?
Today I'll be the guy who doesn't watch the video but comments.
16" all the way.
You bought the 14” 😂
What specs did you choose on the MacBooks for software dev?
Cheers mate,....👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍
Awesome
и еще - у 16" нет быстрой зарядки через type-c, а у 14" есть, в дороге это важно, если потеряете зарядку, можно зарядиться хоть от првербанка)))
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