I have 25 years experience on the Outer Banks of NC, Hurricane central. This is not only the entirely wrong way to run a valley it wont pass code either. Please stop doing this and stop telling others to do this as this is incorrect. I tear and replace every valley I see run like this as they leak like hell. This guy is a hack at best. Sorry brother just calling them Like I see them. I was lloking for videos for my new apprentice this will be one I WILL SHOW HIM AS THIS WILL SHOW HIM HOW NOT TO RUN A VALLEY. I repeat I would not do this ona dog house let alone someone's home. You need to weave or cut your valleys and stop being lazy. LAZY is the only reason to do this, well that and being a hack.
i should delete your comment. You are wrong and this exceeds code in our area... i can show you proof of permit and inspection.... i am a licensed contractor. look me up its public. je quality exteriors out of oshkosh, wi 54902 google it!!!!!!!!!!!! i have been licensed for many years! i have thousands of roofs under my belt
@@Lifes_Apprentice yeah this is a totally fine way to shingle a valley. This guy is just stuck in his ways and won’t accept any one else’s method. Only thing I would add is that the valley should have ice and water shield. Unless I’m wrong and it’s under your felt. Needed per code in my state and should be done in any state regardless. Otherwise great video brother!
You’re probably a inspector who has to setup a whole harnesse to get on the roof. I’ve been roofing for 5 years I’m 19 and my master taught me well how to do the things the right way here in Texas it is fine for him to nail the valley this way my only flaw is I would run the other row of shingles first to not end up having wavy shingles. I always throw chalk lines all the way to the top.4 nails is enough if it’s 8/12 and up i 6 nail. The gap of the shingles should be 6 inches in my opinion and the nail should be at least 4 inches from the seam. Besides that I don’t see anything wrong with this valley. If you’re in the north then you’re correct you do throw a chalk line cut the shingles on the valley and cut the lil corner of the shingles so water won’t get stuck on the valley
Thank you for this lesson. I am a 75 year old semi retired building contractor. I have not seen or used this method on my roofs, but I wish I had! Never too late to teach an old dog new tricks! Great job.
awesome builder here old school 46 yrs & best method & show of how to start a roof with valleys woven professionally ... not cut but looks cut not woven ..love it love the look the coverage ....Best roof ive ever seen ..Thanks
3:38 I find the simplest way to explain it is with Volume and Velocity. The bigger the panel, the more the volume, the steeper the panel the more the velocity. The bigger or steeper, or combo of both takes precedence and determines how the valley needs to be started. I have installed valleys like this for 12+ years never had to go fix a single one. Cheers, great job.
You're a lifesaver!!! Can't thank you enough man. I gained the confidence and was able to shingle my roof (~1300sq ft) entirely alone thanks mainly to this video and the other for hip and ridge. Also shouts to veteran construction his videos helped a lot too. 🙏🙏🙏
For the people that comment of the process of installing it this way. I can for one say that I do install my shingles that way but I install brands that has the tar at the end and not in the middle. Like this shingle here. As for me do install starter and do two shingle links to go up the valley to keep it straight. Like always everyone has their opinion and installs everything with their own touch.
I am not a roofer and I take my hat off to you guys. As a DIY and this Old House videos helping me I had to put up shingles on a 6 x 10 area, and I wondering how you address the valley if the other side of the roof is already shingled? Thank you again.
@@GiantSlayer-rr1vu3 layered shingles? Do they sorta look like slate tiles? Grand Manor shingles possibly? Sorry, didn't mean to get in your conversation here, just saw this comment about 3 layer shingles and was curious what you meant.
@@Lifes_Apprentice I removed the entire side I was working on. I went with new sheathing, the standard 3-block shingles. It turned off great. I will be having an actual roofer come out to replace the back porch and living room shingles in march 2024. again thank you so much
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Totally talked me out of doing an open valley. Our roof had a vent pipe right IN the valley (I have no idea how/what they were thinking). Surprisingly, it held for years until we had an ice storm that backed water up into it. I finally got it out of there and waiting for the rain to stop so I can start nailing.
@@Lifes_Apprentice And a fine opinion it is. We don't get a lot of snow in Portland Oregon, but do get ice build up. The closed valley seems pretty well adapted to that.
"Take note, boys. This is a roofer's roofer. I've been doing this skilled work for 13 years, and you can tell a roofer's experience just by the way he handles a ladder. This man knows what he is talking about. Great work!"
I do this to my metal W valleys as well, i mean obviously i don't run the shingles from the left side way up the right side haha, but i run that vertical shingle 3 inches from the belly of the valley up a line i chalked on each side, then start my shingles square off the vertical shingles i ran all the way up the valley, no points to cut, don't have to cut all the shingles, no missing with your hook blade and taking a little paint off the metal valley, which is where the valley will usually start rusting from, i don't make it a habit of accidentally hitting the metal valley with my hook blade and dinging up the baked on paint, but it does happen, not with this type of valley tho. I like the look as well, nice and clean, can't get a straighter line than this..!! Looks good👍👍
Question what if you put up and down shingle on both sides keeping it couple inches up on both sides Ac contractor not a roofer 69 yrs old and willing to watch listen and learn Thanks Manuel
Nail placement is always important on a roof don’t let any one tell you different especially in high wind areas. Check with your manufacturer for nail placement
Hey life's apprentice great work if you want a suggestion from the West Coast ice and water Shield up your Valley is primo and also one more thing when shingling the Lower Side of the valley it helps to run two sets of shingles then go off your farthest shingle to make sure it's straight so your Valley doesn't frown
we have to run ice and water in the valley it is code here I almost always cover with felt because it can be slippery and sticky depending on conditions. I run my tarpaper straight to ridge so I am keeping the shingles straight. I know what you mean by running 2 sets starting valley and alot of people do it that way. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment
Running two while shingling up your valley should be standard, but if your working with people that don't just treat it like a gable and dont run off it and you should be fine
You rock Incognito I love teaching new guys how to shingle valleys I giggle every time I get to show slick tips but something about teaching to start your valleys with two shingles so you can stay straight Just Hits that sweet spot every time
When starting up the valley, after the turned shingle is installed, how do you keep the rows parallel to the ridge as you're starting out by eye? Do you use chalk lines measured down from the ridge? Thx
Shingle from rake into valley and they will always be straight. Bring your valley shingles your using for a straight edge closer to middle of valley it does not look good and there is no functioning purpose to leave wider exposure. Just a tip from guy with 45yrs experience
how do you eliminate the ladder pattern when you continue with your roof at the side of the valley , just cut tiny bits of shingles and make a new pattern ?
One question when you're done running up that valley do you lift that leading edge and tar under it to properly seal it or do you believe it's fine just laid down?
The progression of wear tear and and ball damage to your bostitch nail gun through each video is probably the most unexpectedly interesting part of the video
Do mine exact same way now, used to cut 1 side for years but this way much quicker and looks just as good. ..... why you dont apply 2 rows of ice&water?
this is the best way to do valley in my opinion to. we are required by code to install ice and water 3 feet past outside wall which is usually 2 rows at least. on certain pitches when it is hot the ice and water get slippery and we cover with felt to make it safer
Great video definitely going to do my valleys like that. Just have one question I have and a frame house with two gables on the front the main roof is a 6/12 while the gables are 8/12 which would i start with?.
On a closed valley always start on smaller roof running shingles up the larger roof and always always seal the valley shingle before shingle if the top side
Really nice video! Great instruction, simple, clear and easy to follow. Might want to turn up the microphone gain so we can hear you better. Thank you so much! Where are you located? Is this a good technique for central Florida, where I am from? Cheers!
Why are you not using starter shingle? And the valley gap is to open its supposed to be from the top at the most 3 fingers from the center of the valley and bottom the most 4 fingers or 4 inches
Im looking to run a valley but I'm not there yet! So im watching videos. So JAMES FORNASH !!!, If this is the "WRONG way to run a valley, what's the "RIGHT WAY". Thank you so much!
Q: how to cover a valley that has shingles already on one side? It has 3 layers on that side. Q: you place new shingles in side the old shingles ? Thanks
You will have to take off at least the top layer near valley to get new shingles under and then replace shingles you removed. The other option is do an open valley but without seeing I cannot be sure the right answer
I've always heard it called a point set valley but anyway it's a hacks valley. In Montana where it snows this valley is apt to leak. The best valley is a California cut valley. Run one side up then chalkline the other side and cut it straight. The huge hump this valley leaves is visible from space. If you go to rich neighborhoods you will get ran out of the neighborhood
It is the exact same thing as the cut valley but there are no cuts...this way avoids small pieces near valley, seams, and keeps nails consistently away from valley. If you are still doing valley the other way you are wasting so much time and materials
@@Lifes_Apprentice nah dude I'm not a novice. Go do homes in big sky Montana they won't even let you do it. It's ugly because it leaves a huge hump on One side of the valley. Rich people don't want to look up and see that humped up garbage . If it's done with 40 or 50 year shingles it looks even worse. It's a lazy man's valley that will leak in cold environments because the ice gets caught behind the glue line of your bleeder. A cut valley with the dog ear cut out is the only way to go.... I have roofed in Seattle and Montana. I've roofed in the union and they don't do it in either place.
@@Lifes_Apprentice the reason why you do it is because it's faster and it's easy to teach to any dip 💩. I'm telling you that valley is a humped up mess waiting to leak. You will get plenty of other people saying the same thing. Especially if they actually know what they are doing.
@@travishanks7295 I have been roofing for almost 20 years now and we used to cut valleys like you are saying until like 10 years ago. I never have had issues doing it either way. The valley will have a hump either way. I know dozens of local roofers and many online and they all do the valleys the same way. go troll another comment section with your baseless claims...If you want people to learn to do it your way make your own videos
Life's Apprentice Guy, I like the way you did this valley and I did mine the same way. I'll ask you this, what are say, the top 3 caulkings you like using around a chinley counter flashing in your opinion....
Just wanted to say, great video. I do have two things to critique. 1. On a deleted valley like that (gable runs flush onto fascia), you should have ran one shingle dormer side before you ran your weave shingle. (Some times two, depending on the valley). 2. seams my friend. That second to last bleeder should have been cut back, so the seam wasn't too close to the peak. (That might just be a personal preference of mine. I tend to holler at my guys if seams are anywhere near the peak overlap, bleeder, etc. I want that peak closed off when cap is laid.)
Why don’t you bust your roof into thirds And snap lines for a reference running the valley all the way up you’re bound to be crooked without checking yourself with a reference Mark
whenever roofers don't start on the edge I wonder how they know they're gonna not end up with some 1 inch sliver piece kn the ends without measuring? I'm guessing they just get lucky
i dont see how you get shingle to line up on both sides of the valley. thanks for the video. well i mean how the shingles line up all the way across the house .
First of all I am the guy that knows nothing and is trying to learn from you. However I can't stop my common sense from telling me that the rain run off from the gable is going to go under the main roof shingles. Why am I overthinking this? Can you explain why/how it doesnt?
Was there ice and water shield under the underlayment or metal flashing? Just wondering. Great video. Im learning so I can do a roof on my own and have a couple of small bay windows with small valleys. Thanks
You said not to nail with in 8 in from yhe vally then you nailed a shingle sideways all the way up it at 5 to 6 inch that is the completely wrong way to do it maybe stick to the package recommendations
Looks good. The last 4 courses in the valley at the peak climbed a little on ya. Long as there isn't any shiners it'll be fine . I have 35 years of roofing experience and I'm a M.S.A Certified Wizard. Good Work. Always quality before quantity 💯🥋
why on every single one of these videos, there are professionals arguing with each other. How are regular people supposed to know who is wrong and who is right?
The first starter you put.on the tar should be at the bottom not in the middle I think you put two starters down your sapost to separate them there is a line so u can fold them and break them apart
As a journeyman roofer I prefer too weave valleys it takes longer but its more professional but not what we do in hawaii we call that a California valley 🤣🤙💯we weave m and u always go out 2 shingles too make sure its straight or it'll look crooked as f@ck and that causes smiles on shingles ...🤣🤙Aloha
Wrong ..the bundle states only nailing patterns and hawaii is hurricane high windage so we use 6 nails ,and the steps is the same but the proper terminology is called books ...at no point does the manufactory warranty says anything about weaving its just a half ass way that mainland does valleys in my opinion and I run a few businesses, landscaping and roofing and my insurance company prefers weaving its more durable and its nailed better
We carry all types of shingles mostly AR is preferred..algae resistant ...we have ABC roofing supply as a main distributor only shingles i dislike is Malarkey but like I said all directions are on the bundle for manufacturers warranty so u got a couple years on installation as a liability as a contractor then the full warranty on shingles as stated and years 20 plus or 30 plus that varies unless u torching down then it'll go 50 years and standing seam metal roofs are a infinite
Im in California by. the way..NO RAIN but they use Valley pans..sheet metal and mine leaked and I had to repair ceiling sheet rock. The water got under the sheet metallic a hard rain. Shingles with valleys like this aren't weave. I want to prevent this and its why I want to weave the shingles without using any sheet metal. I started as per manufacturer using starter, 6 inch, 11 inch and 17 inch shingle skip and then repeat. Now im going to have to figure out a way to change the skip when I come to the valley. Due to a fireplace and a lower roof perpendicular to the roof construction, its a mind bender and will need me to improvise using common sense to make the valley "WATER PROOF" What a ...... Any suggestions??? Cliff
Doesn't anyone weave them into the opposite roof line anymore? Where is the craftsmanship? We used to to weave them into the other roof line with perfect precision and no cutting or nailing within 10 inches of the valley.
I agree that the California or no-cut valley is by far the best way. It saves time on cuts, money on scraps, and you really don't need valley metal. However, I have been known to use valley metal.
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I have 25 years experience on the Outer Banks of NC, Hurricane central. This is not only the entirely wrong way to run a valley it wont pass code either. Please stop doing this and stop telling others to do this as this is incorrect. I tear and replace every valley I see run like this as they leak like hell. This guy is a hack at best. Sorry brother just calling them Like I see them. I was lloking for videos for my new apprentice this will be one I WILL SHOW HIM AS THIS WILL SHOW HIM HOW NOT TO RUN A VALLEY. I repeat I would not do this ona dog house let alone someone's home. You need to weave or cut your valleys and stop being lazy. LAZY is the only reason to do this, well that and being a hack.
i should delete your comment. You are wrong and this exceeds code in our area... i can show you proof of permit and inspection.... i am a licensed contractor. look me up its public. je quality exteriors out of oshkosh, wi 54902 google it!!!!!!!!!!!! i have been licensed for many years! i have thousands of roofs under my belt
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@@Lifes_Apprentice yeah this is a totally fine way to shingle a valley. This guy is just stuck in his ways and won’t accept any one else’s method. Only thing I would add is that the valley should have ice and water shield. Unless I’m wrong and it’s under your felt. Needed per code in my state and should be done in any state regardless. Otherwise great video brother!
No this dude is just a troll and probably use to work at McDonald's until that covid unemployment hit....now he is a full time troll😁🐐
You’re probably a inspector who has to setup a whole harnesse to get on the roof. I’ve been roofing for 5 years I’m 19 and my master taught me well how to do the things the right way here in Texas it is fine for him to nail the valley this way my only flaw is I would run the other row of shingles first to not end up having wavy shingles. I always throw chalk lines all the way to the top.4 nails is enough if it’s 8/12 and up i 6 nail. The gap of the shingles should be 6 inches in my opinion and the nail should be at least 4 inches from the seam. Besides that I don’t see anything wrong with this valley. If you’re in the north then you’re correct you do throw a chalk line cut the shingles on the valley and cut the lil corner of the shingles so water won’t get stuck on the valley
Thank you for this lesson. I am a 75 year old semi retired building contractor. I have not seen or used this method on my roofs, but I wish I had! Never too late to teach an old dog new tricks! Great job.
Excellent!
awesome builder here old school 46 yrs & best method & show of how to start a roof with valleys woven professionally ... not cut but looks cut not woven ..love it love the look the coverage ....Best roof ive ever seen ..Thanks
Thanks 👍
3:38 I find the simplest way to explain it is with Volume and Velocity. The bigger the panel, the more the volume, the steeper the panel the more the velocity. The bigger or steeper, or combo of both takes precedence and determines how the valley needs to be started. I have installed valleys like this for 12+ years never had to go fix a single one. Cheers, great job.
I completely agree! Thanks
Thank you! Shingles two valleys today and they look great. Great explanation in your video.
Agreed
You're a lifesaver!!! Can't thank you enough man. I gained the confidence and was able to shingle my roof (~1300sq ft) entirely alone thanks mainly to this video and the other for hip and ridge. Also shouts to veteran construction his videos helped a lot too. 🙏🙏🙏
Definitely have the confidence to do it myself after watching your video. Thank you for being specific but not to technical.
Glad to help
Hey man! This is a great video explaining everything so clearly! Thank you very much
Thanks! Happy to help
For the people that comment of the process of installing it this way. I can for one say that I do install my shingles that way but I install brands that has the tar at the end and not in the middle. Like this shingle here. As for me do install starter and do two shingle links to go up the valley to keep it straight. Like always everyone has their opinion and installs everything with their own touch.
I am not a roofer and I take my hat off to you guys. As a DIY and this Old House videos helping me I had to put up shingles on a 6 x 10 area, and I wondering how you address the valley if the other side of the roof is already shingled? Thank you again.
You may need to remove some of the old roof and tie them together...That is most likely the case
@@Lifes_Apprentice Those 3 layered shingles are on the other side of the valley. Thank you.
@@GiantSlayer-rr1vu3 layered shingles? Do they sorta look like slate tiles? Grand Manor shingles possibly?
Sorry, didn't mean to get in your conversation here, just saw this comment about 3 layer shingles and was curious what you meant.
@@Lifes_Apprentice I removed the entire side I was working on. I went with new sheathing, the standard 3-block shingles. It turned off great. I will be having an actual roofer come out to replace the back porch and living room shingles in march 2024. again thank you so much
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Totally talked me out of doing an open valley. Our roof had a vent pipe right IN the valley (I have no idea how/what they were thinking). Surprisingly, it held for years until we had an ice storm that backed water up into it. I finally got it out of there and waiting for the rain to stop so I can start nailing.
i prefer the closed valley but thats my opinion
@@Lifes_Apprentice And a fine opinion it is. We don't get a lot of snow in Portland Oregon, but do get ice build up. The closed valley seems pretty well adapted to that.
@@johnsteup2093 the open valley is ok but you get more protection in my opinion with a closed valley
"Take note, boys. This is a roofer's roofer. I've been doing this skilled work for 13 years, and you can tell a roofer's experience just by the way he handles a ladder. This man knows what he is talking about. Great work!"
I want to thank you! I appreciate you showing how to do this! I am greatfull!
Will re watch the clip once again to get the hang of it. Because next year I want replace my roof. Integrate in my landscaping & Handyman business.
Thanks for watching! I have tons of other videos you may find helpful
Thanks for showing this. I'm a DIYer and have only done a valley basket weave with 3 tabs. I was wondering how it's done with arch-lams.
Glad it was helpful!
I likes your job good. I am enjoy watch shingles of valley first my time. 🎉
Glad you like them!
@@Lifes_Apprentice I love learn valleys shingled.
I do this to my metal W valleys as well, i mean obviously i don't run the shingles from the left side way up the right side haha, but i run that vertical shingle 3 inches from the belly of the valley up a line i chalked on each side, then start my shingles square off the vertical shingles i ran all the way up the valley, no points to cut, don't have to cut all the shingles, no missing with your hook blade and taking a little paint off the metal valley, which is where the valley will usually start rusting from, i don't make it a habit of accidentally hitting the metal valley with my hook blade and dinging up the baked on paint, but it does happen, not with this type of valley tho. I like the look as well, nice and clean, can't get a straighter line than this..!! Looks good👍👍
You're a really good roofer, the only thing I do extra is put ice and water shield up the valleys,
Question what if you put up and down shingle on both sides keeping it couple inches up on both sides
Ac contractor not a roofer
69 yrs old and willing to watch listen and learn
Thanks
Manuel
You can do that for an "open" valley
Nail placement is always important on a roof don’t let any one tell you different especially in high wind areas. Check with your manufacturer for nail placement
Hey life's apprentice great work if you want a suggestion from the West Coast ice and water Shield up your Valley is primo and also one more thing when shingling the Lower Side of the valley it helps to run two sets of shingles then go off your farthest shingle to make sure it's straight so your Valley doesn't frown
we have to run ice and water in the valley it is code here I almost always cover with felt because it can be slippery and sticky depending on conditions. I run my tarpaper straight to ridge so I am keeping the shingles straight. I know what you mean by running 2 sets starting valley and alot of people do it that way. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment
“Simple “you said ! Now it will be for me gracias mil !
A trick for any rookies is to run two shingles while you’re doing a valley and it will help keep you straight
Fast Internet voids for what brand? Your blanket statement isn’t true
Fast Internet yes the stagger pattern like that can void the warranty but not the Cali valley itself.
I always run 2 shingles up when I do a valley.
Running two while shingling up your valley should be standard, but if your working with people that don't just treat it like a gable and dont run off it and you should be fine
You rock Incognito I love teaching new guys how to shingle valleys I giggle every time I get to show slick tips but something about teaching to start your valleys with two shingles so you can stay straight Just Hits that sweet spot every time
When starting up the valley, after the turned shingle is installed, how do you keep the rows parallel to the ridge as you're starting out by eye? Do you use chalk lines measured down from the ridge? Thx
Shingle from rake into valley and they will always be straight. Bring your valley shingles your using for a straight edge closer to middle of valley it does not look good and there is no functioning purpose to leave wider exposure. Just a tip from guy with 45yrs experience
Thanks man. Looking to reshingle my home this month and I found this video very helpful! Its very simple but it looks really good!
Thanks
thank you for the very informative video!
Your welcome
how do you eliminate the ladder pattern when you continue with your roof at the side of the valley , just cut tiny bits of shingles and make a new pattern ?
when should you use metal flashing for valley?
I have one more question for you. So on the rake edge you want to nail on the inside of the drip edge and not thru it when laying shingles?
California cut valley looks the best my personal opinion
Dude !! Great video man!! Thank you for sharing
Thanks!
hold it 2 to 4 inches up. I used 2.5 inches. First time DIY, looks good to me.
Aren't the nails on the shingle end too far in to the valley flashing/penetrating it? Is it better to use some sealer there?
What's the purpose of the line of shingles up the middle. It seems redundant. Is it for looks? (I know nothing about roofing).
it creates a straight line in the valley and eliminates cutting
@@Lifes_Apprentice Thanks. What's your opinion on weaving them?
One question when you're done running up that valley do you lift that leading edge and tar under it to properly seal it or do you believe it's fine just laid down?
I have never tarred under. Make sure you are careful with nail placement and you will not have any issues
The progression of wear tear and and ball damage to your bostitch nail gun through each video is probably the most unexpectedly interesting part of the video
Why do you put a single nail on the ends but bunch up three near the center instead of spacing them all equally?
That is how the manufacturuer wants the nails to be spaced
We do mainly half lace where I'm from : )
Do mine exact same way now, used to cut 1 side for years but this way much quicker and looks just as good. ..... why you dont apply 2 rows of ice&water?
this is the best way to do valley in my opinion to. we are required by code to install ice and water 3 feet past outside wall which is usually 2 rows at least. on certain pitches when it is hot the ice and water get slippery and we cover with felt to make it safer
Gotcha, make sense to me lol.
46 inch ice and water
Great video definitely going to do my valleys like that. Just have one question I have and a frame house with two gables on the front the main roof is a 6/12 while the gables are 8/12 which would i start with?.
if gables are small i would still start with the 8/12 gables and run them under main roof
On a closed valley always start on smaller roof running shingles up the larger roof and always always seal the valley shingle before shingle if the top side
Very nice work.
Really nice video! Great instruction, simple, clear and easy to follow. Might want to turn up the microphone gain so we can hear you better. Thank you so much! Where are you located? Is this a good technique for central Florida, where I am from? Cheers!
i am located in central wisconsin
Good job and it looks good. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Does this roof have flashing under neath felt in the valleys?
Curious if you're going up your valley on your second side and your offset starts to get to say 4" how do you adjust that? Start cutting corners?
Why do you put down the shingle over the starter shigle at the beginning...???
The starter shingle is neccesary
I usually go 16 inches from the center of the valley
Why are you not using starter shingle? And the valley gap is to open its supposed to be from the top at the most 3 fingers from the center of the valley and bottom the most 4 fingers or 4 inches
this video is about valley. starter is optional on rake edge
Im looking to run a valley but I'm not there yet! So im watching videos. So JAMES FORNASH !!!, If this is the "WRONG way to run a valley, what's the "RIGHT WAY".
Thank you so much!
Q: how to cover a valley that has shingles already on one side? It has 3 layers on that side. Q: you place new shingles in side the old shingles ? Thanks
You will have to take off at least the top layer near valley to get new shingles under and then replace shingles you removed. The other option is do an open valley but without seeing I cannot be sure the right answer
I've always heard it called a point set valley but anyway it's a hacks valley. In Montana where it snows this valley is apt to leak. The best valley is a California cut valley. Run one side up then chalkline the other side and cut it straight. The huge hump this valley leaves is visible from space. If you go to rich neighborhoods you will get ran out of the neighborhood
It is the exact same thing as the cut valley but there are no cuts...this way avoids small pieces near valley, seams, and keeps nails consistently away from valley. If you are still doing valley the other way you are wasting so much time and materials
@@Lifes_Apprentice nah dude I'm not a novice. Go do homes in big sky Montana they won't even let you do it. It's ugly because it leaves a huge hump on One side of the valley. Rich people don't want to look up and see that humped up garbage . If it's done with 40 or 50 year shingles it looks even worse. It's a lazy man's valley that will leak in cold environments because the ice gets caught behind the glue line of your bleeder. A cut valley with the dog ear cut out is the only way to go.... I have roofed in Seattle and Montana. I've roofed in the union and they don't do it in either place.
@@Lifes_Apprentice the reason why you do it is because it's faster and it's easy to teach to any dip 💩. I'm telling you that valley is a humped up mess waiting to leak. You will get plenty of other people saying the same thing. Especially if they actually know what they are doing.
@@travishanks7295 I have been roofing for almost 20 years now and we used to cut valleys like you are saying until like 10 years ago. I never have had issues doing it either way. The valley will have a hump either way. I know dozens of local roofers and many online and they all do the valleys the same way. go troll another comment section with your baseless claims...If you want people to learn to do it your way make your own videos
Do you have a video of cutting W pan flashing ?
Were are you roofing from because down in texas code calls for starter on the gable edge and all around the edge
Can i tar underneath the shingle layed after the chalk line just for extra protection?
You can do that
@@Lifes_Apprentice awesome thanks
Life's Apprentice Guy, I like the way you did this valley and I did mine the same way. I'll ask you this, what are say, the top 3 caulkings you like using around a chinley counter flashing in your opinion....
I like Quad for metal and brick. I cant think of the name of the tar I use for shingles Its a pretty normal type of tar
Great video. Do you have a whole video start to finish for a roof just like this one?
I have a quite a few roofing videos. you would have to go look at my roofing playlist
I see several problems…. Used staples instead of cap nails, no starters on the rakes, DID NOT POP LINES…. I can keep going. But I won’t.
Just wanted to say, great video. I do have two things to critique. 1. On a deleted valley like that (gable runs flush onto fascia), you should have ran one shingle dormer side before you ran your weave shingle. (Some times two, depending on the valley). 2. seams my friend. That second to last bleeder should have been cut back, so the seam wasn't too close to the peak. (That might just be a personal preference of mine. I tend to holler at my guys if seams are anywhere near the peak overlap, bleeder, etc. I want that peak closed off when cap is laid.)
good advice!!!
I was gunna say the same thinf
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Thanks 👍
Why don’t you bust your roof into thirds And snap lines for a reference running the valley all the way up you’re bound to be crooked without checking yourself with a reference Mark
in most cases i run the tarpaper straight to the peak for reference. i will snap lines with multiple dormers
what do you do? 3" or 4"?
whenever roofers don't start on the edge I wonder how they know they're gonna not end up with some 1 inch sliver piece kn the ends without measuring? I'm guessing they just get lucky
If you end up with a sliver you just put a 12inch piece before you put a full shingle to finish
Thank you for the video,,,
you are welcome
i dont see how you get shingle to line up on both sides of the valley. thanks for the video. well i mean how the shingles line up all the way across the house .
That is a whole other video. The best way is to snap lines so both sides end up the same
First of all I am the guy that knows nothing and is trying to learn from you. However I can't stop my common sense from telling me that the rain run off from the gable is going to go under the main roof shingles. Why am I overthinking this? Can you explain why/how it doesnt?
run 2 shingles in the valley it keeps your shingles from walking
Why no metal in the valley?
metal in valley is optional on most closed valleys
Was there ice and water shield under the underlayment or metal flashing? Just wondering. Great video. Im learning so I can do a roof on my own and have a couple of small bay windows with small valleys. Thanks
yes there is ice and water and metal. we cover ice and water with tarpaper sometimes when it gets slippery
@@Lifes_Apprentice Ok thanks for the quick reply.
Metal Valley is the only way to go. Looks so much nicer.
As long as your run true is solid likes yours is it won't leak
But since it's such a shallow pitch shouldn't your steps be bigger than 6....
no. steps should always be about 6 inches
What about the other side of the valley? And how do you tie the other side in to the opposite side?
Run it up the same way. Sometimes you need to offset the last 3-4 courses on the top to get the final course to meet up the same as the other side.
Standing in the valley, no starters going up the rake, free handing the cut going up the rake, no bueno
No starter on the gable end
You said not to nail with in 8 in from yhe vally then you nailed a shingle sideways all the way up it at 5 to 6 inch that is the completely wrong way to do it maybe stick to the package recommendations
Ok my friend. I did not do what you said
Looks good. The last 4 courses in the valley at the peak climbed a little on ya. Long as there isn't any shiners it'll be fine . I have 35 years of roofing experience and I'm a M.S.A Certified Wizard. Good Work. Always quality before quantity 💯🥋
Very true!
why on every single one of these videos, there are professionals arguing with each other. How are regular people supposed to know who is wrong and who is right?
I will never understand either... They should make videos if I am doing it wrong. They are just keyboard warriors and trolls
The first starter you put.on the tar should be at the bottom not in the middle I think you put two starters down your sapost to separate them there is a line so u can fold them and break them apart
As a journeyman roofer I prefer too weave valleys it takes longer but its more professional but not what we do in hawaii we call that a California valley 🤣🤙💯we weave m and u always go out 2 shingles too make sure its straight or it'll look crooked as f@ck and that causes smiles on shingles ...🤣🤙Aloha
I believe most shingle manufactuers will void warranty with a weaved valley
Wrong ..the bundle states only nailing patterns and hawaii is hurricane high windage so we use 6 nails ,and the steps is the same but the proper terminology is called books ...at no point does the manufactory warranty says anything about weaving its just a half ass way that mainland does valleys in my opinion and I run a few businesses, landscaping and roofing and my insurance company prefers weaving its more durable and its nailed better
Read the bundle ull see 🤙aloha from hawaii
@@AMS-ri3xm What brand of shingles do you guys have in hawaii?
We carry all types of shingles mostly AR is preferred..algae resistant ...we have ABC roofing supply as a main distributor only shingles i dislike is Malarkey but like I said all directions are on the bundle for manufacturers warranty so u got a couple years on installation as a liability as a contractor then the full warranty on shingles as stated and years 20 plus or 30 plus that varies unless u torching down then it'll go 50 years and standing seam metal roofs are a infinite
Im in California by. the way..NO RAIN but they use Valley pans..sheet metal and mine leaked and I had to repair ceiling sheet rock. The water got under the sheet metallic a hard rain. Shingles with valleys like this aren't weave. I want to prevent this and its why I want to weave the shingles without using any sheet metal. I started as per manufacturer using starter, 6 inch, 11 inch and 17 inch shingle skip and then repeat. Now im going to have to figure out a way to change the skip when I come to the valley. Due to a fireplace and a lower roof perpendicular to the roof construction, its a mind bender and will need me to improvise using common sense to make the valley "WATER PROOF" What a ...... Any suggestions??? Cliff
Awesome
Well a couple more roofing video's and I'll l be at the chiropractor
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Doesn't anyone weave them into the opposite roof line anymore? Where is the craftsmanship? We used to to weave them into the other roof line with perfect precision and no cutting or nailing within 10 inches of the valley.
Every laminate shingle I've seen says not to weave on the pack.
Exactly my thought. I weave 3shingles up . Manufacturer warranty isn’t going to pay you to come fix that leak in a few months
I agree that the California or no-cut valley is by far the best way. It saves time on cuts, money on scraps, and you really don't need valley metal. However, I have been known to use valley metal.
Did you forget to put the drrip edge on?
Nice video. But what was the reason behind the first vertical shingle you put down before you started going up the valley?
on this valley it is not necessary but most valleys will have one shingle weaved
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Good stuff thanks man 😊
Underlayment isn't under the drip edge on the rake, which would allow air or wind under the underlayment.
you help me a lot on this video thank you so much
You're very welcome!
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Good speed of moving camera with the speed of wind
No starter or over hang on the gables? Wow!
Rake starter is a scam dumbest shit i have ever heard of. explain to me why it is neccessary?
zach from veteran construction says you need starter and overhang on rakes@@Lifes_Apprentice
Can this be done with 3 tabs as well?
the process is similiar but slightly different. you will have to cut the valley on one side with a knife
Unless He is in Florida’s high wind areas then he would cut his rakes flash with the drip edge
Great work.... try to cut down on the cigarette.
cutting the shingles off flush with roof edge? Why?
you mean he didn't tell ya?
Most areas require the shingle to project past the roof edge. With the white aluminum starter or roof edge, you already have that requirement.
Donde esta la estara
Hello from Piqua Ohio.
Tomorrow is my first day at my roofing job . I inspire to be like gable
perfecto trabajo gracias