"If you don't see negative feedback, then you're not reaching new people" - Ed thanks for vocalizing something that I have a hard time wrapping my head around daily. I appreciate the shout out and thanks to you and Jim for doing this episode!! Hart's quote about Wizard almost made me choke on my own laughter.
32:25 Ed has become a gadam broadcasting pro! Keeping it moving. You guys are great. As someone who has worked in broadcast media for years it's so great to see how great you guys are at this. If I was teaching a class on how to keep a show tight, interesting and moving I'd use Kayfabe as a prime example. I'm gonna buy a shirt I don't need because of how much I appreciate the work.
Great show guys. After the second part, I’d like your insight about Rob losing Youngblood that apparently is owned by a “controversial” company now and no one knows what is going on with this license.
I might have my timeline off here but I think Gaijin Sudios was starting to rise right around this time as well? Jason Pearson did a Badrock one shot or miniseries for Leifeld that was definitely making the rounds with professionals if not the fans….
Loved Robs drawing style. When I was a 12-13 year old kid seeing his covers on X-force is what got me into comics. All the crazy detail, poses and pouches made my teenage boy mind immediately gravitate to the comic.
What a DANDY episode-LOVED it. More please. Learned a lot,very good interview,the Journal was a really nice magazine,I'd love to get some nicely priced back issues.This is life after the speculator boom,no more 1 million comics sold. I'd never have the gall to tell a pro or non-pro artist ( this includes writers also )I can't stand their art or it sucks. There's this thing called-COMMON-courtesy and respect. Even if she/he asks what you think of their work,be honest,tactful and respectful. Do unto others what you'd have them do unto you. From the bible.
Growing up reading 2000ad in the 90s every artist had a different style, it was a treat to see, there was no strict formula for how it should look, I think rob would have been celebrated in Europe, his work is full of character and dynamism
If you take Liefeld as the goofy jock, he's a lot more tolerable. And I was hooked on his art when I was 9 to 12 or 13, but I can barely look at it now. Still, I can appreciate what he did for the business of comics through trial and error
There are a couple of things worth noting while watching this. First is that this was a disastrous time for comics, and Liefeld's creative influence was a key component of where things had led, so at this juncture, there was much choice but to held to some accountability, if only for the sales numbers, let alone all the corny crap that was going on with these variant-limited-foil-signed #1s all trying to harness the Image house style. Comics Journal really had shifted almost completely away from mainstream for a few years when this interview came out, and the breaking point could be attributed to the "quality" of the mainstream that Comics Journal had been openly critical about going all the way back to the late 80s. Image just brought these criticisms to a head, and it had reached a point where the whole alternative scene really just didn't have any real association with mainstream anymore. Whereas if you look back to the 80s, companies like Fantagraphics and Drawn and Quarterly were still sort of like roommates with the mainstream, being in the same publications, advertising in the same locations, etc. But... there was an interview Comics Journal did with McFarlane when McFarlane was the king of the bowling lanes, and I will just say that the impression I got was that it was pretty much "game over" for alternative having cozy space with mainstream. I give Liefeld some credit though, just for eating some humble pie here. At this point, he sort of had too with the Comics Journal because of the caliber of their readers and the ongoing dialogue of literary criticism of comics. I personally cut Liefeld -some- slack for his early Youngblood work, because when he put out Youngblood, the whole marketplace was still in that mode of industrial comic book making, carrying all the way back to the golden age, so it's not like his focus was on a timeless product you want to be remembered by.
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"If you don't see negative feedback, then you're not reaching new people" - Ed thanks for vocalizing something that I have a hard time wrapping my head around daily. I appreciate the shout out and thanks to you and Jim for doing this episode!! Hart's quote about Wizard almost made me choke on my own laughter.
Love that!
Instant classic line
"If eventually I just have to draw a black and white comic book out of my garage, that's what I'll do. I love the medium."
Hell yeah.
32:25 Ed has become a gadam broadcasting pro! Keeping it moving. You guys are great. As someone who has worked in broadcast media for years it's so great to see how great you guys are at this. If I was teaching a class on how to keep a show tight, interesting and moving I'd use Kayfabe as a prime example. I'm gonna buy a shirt I don't need because of how much I appreciate the work.
Rob Liefeld's a cartoonist, he's never been a fine draftsman, it evokes energy. It's not for everyone, but that's okay!
Great show guys. After the second part, I’d like your insight about Rob losing Youngblood that apparently is owned by a “controversial” company now and no one knows what is going on with this license.
Clicked on this video REAL quick! Buckled up.😄
I love this episode. Just the real nature of this conversation circa 1997.
Morrison JLA, Nightwing Vol 1, Marvel Heroes Return Perez/Avengers, Marvel Knights Daredevil, Batman No Man’s Land, The Authority saved mainstream comics pre-2000!
I might have my timeline off here but I think Gaijin Sudios was starting to rise right around this time as well? Jason Pearson did a Badrock one shot or miniseries for Leifeld that was definitely making the rounds with professionals if not the fans….
Man, what a great interview this is! Very candid. Very different. Insightful. Love it. See ya tomorrow!
Crazy interview, and appreciate the commentary/context. Looking forward to the second half!
This was so insightful. Thank you for presenting it to us! 😊
Great video. Like this idea/format of discussing the interview.
Excellent podcast!
I grew up down the street from Tom Toles (cover artist). Good dude!
When worlds collide! Props to both parties for being gents after all the shit talking
Props for being great readers! A lot of people can't do this!
Loved Robs drawing style. When I was a 12-13 year old kid seeing his covers on X-force is what got me into comics. All the crazy detail, poses and pouches made my teenage boy mind immediately gravitate to the comic.
Fantastic show.
Good Show!
These readings are actually insightful.
This is a great interview
What a DANDY episode-LOVED it. More please. Learned a lot,very good interview,the Journal was a really nice magazine,I'd love to get some nicely priced back issues.This is life after the speculator boom,no more 1 million comics sold. I'd never have the gall to tell a pro or non-pro artist ( this includes writers also )I can't stand their art or it sucks. There's this thing called-COMMON-courtesy and respect. Even if she/he asks what you think of their work,be honest,tactful and respectful. Do unto others what you'd have them do unto you. From the bible.
Really enjoyed this! I wonder if Rob will do any Snake Eyes stuff for the new energon universe
That shirt Jim! 😍
🔥🔥🔥🔥 always a fan of Liefield
Growing up reading 2000ad in the 90s every artist had a different style, it was a treat to see, there was no strict formula for how it should look, I think rob would have been celebrated in Europe, his work is full of character and dynamism
If you take Liefeld as the goofy jock, he's a lot more tolerable. And I was hooked on his art when I was 9 to 12 or 13, but I can barely look at it now. Still, I can appreciate what he did for the business of comics through trial and error
There are a couple of things worth noting while watching this. First is that this was a disastrous time for comics, and Liefeld's creative influence was a key component of where things had led, so at this juncture, there was much choice but to held to some accountability, if only for the sales numbers, let alone all the corny crap that was going on with these variant-limited-foil-signed #1s all trying to harness the Image house style. Comics Journal really had shifted almost completely away from mainstream for a few years when this interview came out, and the breaking point could be attributed to the "quality" of the mainstream that Comics Journal had been openly critical about going all the way back to the late 80s. Image just brought these criticisms to a head, and it had reached a point where the whole alternative scene really just didn't have any real association with mainstream anymore. Whereas if you look back to the 80s, companies like Fantagraphics and Drawn and Quarterly were still sort of like roommates with the mainstream, being in the same publications, advertising in the same locations, etc. But... there was an interview Comics Journal did with McFarlane when McFarlane was the king of the bowling lanes, and I will just say that the impression I got was that it was pretty much "game over" for alternative having cozy space with mainstream.
I give Liefeld some credit though, just for eating some humble pie here. At this point, he sort of had too with the Comics Journal because of the caliber of their readers and the ongoing dialogue of literary criticism of comics. I personally cut Liefeld -some- slack for his early Youngblood work, because when he put out Youngblood, the whole marketplace was still in that mode of industrial comic book making, carrying all the way back to the golden age, so it's not like his focus was on a timeless product you want to be remembered by.