Comic Book Greats - Overkill - Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefeld, Stan Lee (Complete)

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  • Опубликовано: 11 май 2013
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  • @forbiddencolor
    @forbiddencolor 5 лет назад +1179

    "Maybe a lot of the things he's wearing on him are to restrain him from going on a rampage."
    And just like that, Stan turned a generic drawing of some armored brute into a compelling character. What a creative mind.

    • @calvinhenio4456
      @calvinhenio4456 5 лет назад +197

      Yes. Just that simple remark, comment. Blew me away at how much more his mind was thinking about the creative process. Todd & rob were just throwing shit together. Stan was looking at the same art & brought in an entirely different perspective. Fuckin genius. RIP Stan Lee.

    • @joshkaid
      @joshkaid 5 лет назад +56

      Lord knows Rob and Todd weren't going to come up with anything.

    • @slaughterhome
      @slaughterhome 4 года назад +52

      @giftofgab247 And Call of Duty is one of the highest selling videogame franchises of all time. Does that make their "art" exceptional, well-written, thoughtful, etc?

    • @Aevilbeast
      @Aevilbeast 4 года назад +23

      @giftofgab247 Other how many it sold, which makes it a commercial success but doesn't necessarily mean it's "good", everything else art, writing, style is completely subjective. This is especially true when dealing with something that can be as niche as comics, that usually try to target certain demographics instead of mainstream appeal.
      That's the amazing thing about comic's, even with the same characters/story it can become something so completely different with different writers and artists, with different takes or views, at the helm. You can usually always find something you like but also find stuff you hate or think is just flat out bad. There's just stuff to fit anyone's tastes.

    • @JeantheSecond
      @JeantheSecond 4 года назад +15

      giftofgab247 1. Popularity =/= quality. 2. Why is not a good idea to compare comic books to games? Both are art forms which utilize a visual medium to tell a story. Some are good quality and many are terrible quality.

  • @athodyd
    @athodyd 11 лет назад +943

    "I'm gonna put more gadgets up here, like some blasters or something. I dunno." Ladies and gentlemen, the Rob Liefeld creative process.

    • @zachs4956
      @zachs4956 4 года назад +68

      Needs more pouches and less feet.

    • @ThatFilmisGnarly
      @ThatFilmisGnarly 3 года назад +19

      to be fair, they were all taking the piss out of this. They even made fun of Overkill's generic name.

    • @Alianger
      @Alianger Год назад +5

      They just had some fun in 20 mins don't take it too seriously

    • @mikhaelgribkov4117
      @mikhaelgribkov4117 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@ThatFilmisGnarly and yet he actually used him in Spawn. And in animated series they just put him in shadows to not show how stupid that design is, which is the funniest thing.

    • @nonstopoulos
      @nonstopoulos Месяц назад

      @@mikhaelgribkov4117 Liefeld created Deadpool. End of story.

  • @prateeksurana7122
    @prateeksurana7122 6 лет назад +606

    The moment stan lee said they are gonna draw a character 'OVERKILL' I knew what stan lee is upto

    • @Phazon8058MS
      @Phazon8058MS 5 лет назад +168

      And watch as Liefeld immediately starts drawing another fucking clone of Cable.

    • @joshkaid
      @joshkaid 5 лет назад +70

      Hook line and sinker.

  • @wo3701
    @wo3701 5 лет назад +991

    It's really fascinating how many times Stan tries to get these two to actually use their brains and actually think about WHO they're drawing.

    • @Actual-Knight
      @Actual-Knight 4 года назад +66

      and yet it never works

    • @jsrhedgehog9981
      @jsrhedgehog9981 4 года назад +10

      @@Actual-Knight oof

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 3 года назад +65

      What you mean? They're drawing Overkill, the cyborg badass whos better than cable and DARKER

    • @NeostormXLMAX
      @NeostormXLMAX 3 года назад +7

      thats why modern marvel sucks these days, golden era is over

    • @MrJibbajabbawocky
      @MrJibbajabbawocky Год назад +9

      ​@No_guard_X these guys aren't Modern Marvel

  • @rocnado
    @rocnado 6 лет назад +743

    The passive aggressiveness is hilarious

  • @MorriganAtwood
    @MorriganAtwood 7 лет назад +1091

    "In comic book world, you don't see them getting dressed or going to the bathroom."
    "You draw people getting dressed all the time. Especially women."

    • @paulpolpiboon9535
      @paulpolpiboon9535 5 лет назад +139

      plus the issue they were discussing was how does he GET INTO his costume when immediate trouble comes, and we've ALWAYS witness the superheroes getting into their costume; flash pops his ring, wondy does her twirl, and spidey, bats, and all the spandex population do what superman taught them...bust out the S.

    • @Actual-Knight
      @Actual-Knight 4 года назад +50

      I absolutely love that line. It's such a small line but it's got so much behind it

    • @sap9255
      @sap9255 11 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah, also the point isn't that you show it or not. The point is it needs to be believable that he can take it off and out it on

  • @Phazon8058MS
    @Phazon8058MS 5 лет назад +883

    Stan, sarcastically: "Should he wear some more armour on his legs? Holsters?"
    Rob, completely serious: "Yeah, I think so."

  • @jinxie712
    @jinxie712 6 лет назад +426

    Stan Lee is so savage. He told Liefeld that without shoulder pads his characters are naked. lol

  • @FlurryJoe
    @FlurryJoe 8 лет назад +637

    I got chills when Todd predicted that they'd fight over overkill in court. Amazing.

    • @D_Fyre
      @D_Fyre 5 лет назад +299

      Amazing isn't it? There's a lot to unpack here, lol. Stan Lee low key criticizing how dumb a lot of their design choices are, Rob and Todd focusing too much on the extrememess of the character while Stan tries to remind them that he's supposed to be a hero, Todd constantly reminding us that he knows what "the kids like". This is a great time capsule. RIP Stan Lee

    • @paulpolpiboon9535
      @paulpolpiboon9535 5 лет назад +11

      Derek Magsanay : they're joking around

    • @D_Fyre
      @D_Fyre 5 лет назад +71

      @@paulpolpiboon9535 Yes, on the surface.

    • @paulpolpiboon9535
      @paulpolpiboon9535 5 лет назад +32

      @Derek Magsanay ; Well that's what jokes are, they're for the surface. To reflect on the outside SOME kind of maturity and peace inside. They wouldn't even be able to joke if something deep was truly bothering them

    • @yareyarejose5080
      @yareyarejose5080 5 лет назад +27

      @@paulpolpiboon9535 they are also in front of cameras so there's that.

  • @salenstormwing
    @salenstormwing 11 лет назад +172

    "Kids like chains". Truly a phrase for the ages.

  • @amdsdd76
    @amdsdd76 5 лет назад +339

    There is beautiful bit of irony to the fact that Stan asks these two artists, wink, to create a character named overkill. Stan the original troll. Still doing it from beyond the grave with this video.

  • @frick_____you
    @frick_____you 5 лет назад +286

    "He lives out in Malibu. He's a beach bum" is the closest thing he has to a unique trait; judging from their descriptions of him.
    ...now I'm just picturing him surfing in that ridiculous getup. While constantly grimacing cause what other facial expression would he be making?

    • @starchilder734
      @starchilder734 5 лет назад +61

      he removes all the armor, chains, and his giant ass shoulderpads, and hes just a super tan beach grandpa who wears floral shirts and board shorts

    • @idontwanttopickone
      @idontwanttopickone 3 года назад +8

      You can see what he became by looking up Overt-kill in Spawn or Overkill/Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy.

    • @PickleJello
      @PickleJello 2 года назад +13

      Here's an idea: He's a retired hero/mercenary. And the comic is about his retired life, him just doing ordinary things while looking like that. Like gardening, surfing, grocery shopping, in that grim look.

    • @HiBuddyyyyyy
      @HiBuddyyyyyy 2 года назад +8

      You could have a scene with him playing volley ball while he has a dark monologue.

    • @mateusfelipecardoso40kview3
      @mateusfelipecardoso40kview3 Месяц назад

      What you do in your free time overkill? 🗿: I like surfing!

  • @Leon-zu1wp
    @Leon-zu1wp 5 лет назад +111

    Jesus, Stan is absolutely ruthless. I love how at the end they both realized in fear that Stan said Overkill didn't have any fucking feet.

  • @7isAnOddNumber
    @7isAnOddNumber 11 месяцев назад +26

    As much as people all like to say Stan is jabbing at their art, seeing the whole show it really just feels like 3 friends fucking around in front of a camera, it’s really quite wholesome. As much as Stan has issues with their character design skills, he still laughs along and has fun while they draw.

  • @AbelDuviant
    @AbelDuviant 2 года назад +51

    "These are comic books man, you gotta suspend... Reality for a moment"
    I love that he couldn't think of the word disbelief

  • @americanslime
    @americanslime 10 лет назад +431

    "This guy is THICK!"
    Oh, Rob.

    • @Phantom_of_Black
      @Phantom_of_Black 6 лет назад +70

      I think you meant to spell it "THICC".

    • @sinister2509
      @sinister2509 6 лет назад +55

      Rob was a man ahead of the times.

    • @DIGITALSWOON
      @DIGITALSWOON 4 года назад +11

      @@Phantom_of_Black i don't think it was a meme yet

  • @flarrowverse112
    @flarrowverse112 6 лет назад +379

    They walked into the trap, didn't they?

    • @joshkaid
      @joshkaid 5 лет назад +70

      They took the bait hook, line, and sinker. It's kind of miraculous.

    • @dougthedonkey1805
      @dougthedonkey1805 3 года назад +22

      Stan didn’t set up a trap, they set it up for themselves and he kept urging them to walk away

    • @driveasandwich6734
      @driveasandwich6734 3 года назад +13

      Specially with the name Overkill

  • @armandoBatista1979
    @armandoBatista1979 10 лет назад +299

    Stan Lee: "Is he going to be able to move with all this stuff?"

  • @RikerLovesWorf
    @RikerLovesWorf 6 лет назад +275

    13:55 "Comics are reality based" ...Liefeld completely ignores - "Hey I'm gonna put some wires around his leg"

  • @ricardosavagestrike
    @ricardosavagestrike 9 лет назад +264

    Gees! This convo has more burns than the Spanish Inquisition...

    • @slayertakim1
      @slayertakim1 7 лет назад +40

      And nobody expects the Spanish inquisition

    • @Mewchu14
      @Mewchu14 5 лет назад +29

      Stanish inquisition.

    • @bremensims6086
      @bremensims6086 5 лет назад +10

      @@slayertakim1 NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION

    • @eclipsesolar8345
      @eclipsesolar8345 5 лет назад +3

      Idiots that don't know nothing about the Spanish Inquisition.

    • @bradburyfan1049
      @bradburyfan1049 5 лет назад +5

      More Burns than Smithers wet dream...

  • @NOTSparkyPants
    @NOTSparkyPants 9 лет назад +391

    This video is fucking comedy gold.
    "...now if we could just finish that left leg..."
    -Stan Lee.

    • @gamesAVALetsPlays
      @gamesAVALetsPlays 7 лет назад +6

      SparkyPantsMcGee haha

    • @FireMadeFleshII
      @FireMadeFleshII 6 лет назад +8

      I spat out my drink laughing at this comment 😂

    • @ulose5909
      @ulose5909 2 года назад +1

      Could hear his voice as I read it

    • @Nyadlabaoth
      @Nyadlabaoth 2 года назад +1

      Todd: I think he's just about perfect!

  • @tonykeo83
    @tonykeo83 6 лет назад +236

    You know Stan Lee was thinking what the hell did they just created? Stan Lee is right a superhero characters need a background story and a personality.

    • @sirubisan698
      @sirubisan698 2 года назад +5

      Right otherwise it's no better than superman in the 30s and the 40s when he had no weaknesses

    • @benkenobi5128
      @benkenobi5128 2 года назад +3

      Then again they only had like 20 minutes m, I'm sure if they had the correct amount of time they could have drawn a proper background, And I'm sure they could add a background and an amazing story to go along with it.

    • @josiewithyomama
      @josiewithyomama Год назад +1

      @@benkenobi5128 he means background story as in his origins. what is this “hero’s” motives? why does he choose to go out dressed like that to fight crime? what is he fighting for? stuff that humanizes the heroes because that’s what makes us love heroes like spiderman, iron man, etc.

  • @NthDoctorWho
    @NthDoctorWho 3 года назад +46

    "You can think and draw at the same time?"
    Stan, please, murder is illegal.

  • @davidcrane4226
    @davidcrane4226 4 года назад +95

    “A Liefeld character without shoulder pads is almost naked” hahaha😂😂 priceless! Man I miss Stan 😓😢

  • @RikerLovesWorf
    @RikerLovesWorf 4 года назад +53

    At 23:04: "I wanna tighten those feet!" Rob Liefeld hears those words every time he has a nightmare. He was hoping to god that Stan wouldn't mention them. He then proceeds to draw a black spike on the ankle and doesn't touch the foot.

  • @writingtotortureyou
    @writingtotortureyou 7 лет назад +656

    It's almost painful to watch Stan lee break these two down but then I remember rob liefelds captain American with the chest like a night stand and mcfarlanes near fetish for chains. I remember how right he is

    • @Stiggandr1
      @Stiggandr1 4 года назад +43

      @giftofgab247 How much of that was because of quality art, vs. greedy speculators in the 90s comic book bubble.

    • @Ratchet2431
      @Ratchet2431 4 года назад +16

      @giftofgab247 I don't believe that the number of sales is a measure of quality.

    • @thecollector4332
      @thecollector4332 4 года назад +12

      giftofgab247
      That popularity only lasted for like 2 years before the comic industry collapsed. I liked Todd’s drawings but liefield? No.

    • @thecollector4332
      @thecollector4332 4 года назад +10

      giftofgab247
      Also, spawn was pretty bad (most image comics where) when he was first created. Ironic, considering that image is now the best comic company out there.

    • @damiboo3640
      @damiboo3640 4 года назад +17

      @giftofgab247 "sjw" there it is. You just wanna leer at misproportioned girls with no character depth. Gtfo

  • @vollsticks
    @vollsticks 7 лет назад +154

    Oh my God are those...FEET...on that drawing?!?!

    • @Jose-se9pu
      @Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад +41

      Keep in mind Stan told him to draw them.

    • @RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia
      @RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia 2 месяца назад +2

      @@Jose-se9puand that Todd had to draw them for Rob lol

  • @YungM.D.
    @YungM.D. 4 года назад +48

    Damn you can hear the tension in so much of this. Especially as Todd McFarlane grows more and more snappy with Stan Lee’s pretty reasonable questions. Like... he’s not even making fun of the character but he’s asking questions any creator would when presented with a new character. What’s he like? Where does he live? What does he do?

  • @mario6279
    @mario6279 8 лет назад +248

    Liefeld forgot to add pouches 

    • @gskaloyan
      @gskaloyan 8 лет назад +15

      +Sheldon Cooper He didn't leave enough room on his "tank"

    • @mario6279
      @mario6279 8 лет назад

      gskaloyan lol

    • @brentshira3373
      @brentshira3373 5 лет назад

      HUH????

  • @loliH9
    @loliH9 7 лет назад +479

    I kind of feel bad for Stan here. He made a career out of challenging the ideas of the comics of his time and now there he is, watching the next generation making a smoothie with the baby and the bathwater.
    At least he saw the birth of the THICC meme.

    • @will_sketch
      @will_sketch 5 лет назад +1

      @David H go play it n traffic

    • @smurphftw2008
      @smurphftw2008 5 лет назад +15

      @@ddave7026 He ripped them off by coming up with all the ideas and then giving Kirby and Ditko full credit for their contributions?

    • @christopherhammond5142
      @christopherhammond5142 3 года назад +2

      A baby and bathwater smoothie? That worries me a bit.

    • @guilhermeferraz9954
      @guilhermeferraz9954 3 года назад

      Do you know anything about Image Comics?

  • @steeltraditionalart
    @steeltraditionalart 6 лет назад +143

    18:22-18:30,"For the sake of our viewers is this really the type of thought process that goes through your head when you're making characters?" LOL

    • @D_Fyre
      @D_Fyre 5 лет назад +12

      I fucking loved that!

  • @peliparado94
    @peliparado94 4 года назад +56

    It's amazing how they seemed to be joking about the ownership and lawyers and stuff, but turned out they were pretty serious.

  • @DarkDekicDuka
    @DarkDekicDuka 5 лет назад +231

    Overkill is the most 90s superhero there ever was.

    • @timmneeley4301
      @timmneeley4301 4 года назад +30

      No lie Todd McFarlane later made him into a Spawn Villain

    • @Handle...This.
      @Handle...This. 4 года назад +17

      @@timmneeley4301 just looked it up and he changed the name to overt-kill, but most of the design is the same except he's 🤬 HUGE! It's cool to see his origin started here!

    • @richardblack3385
      @richardblack3385 4 года назад +2

      He's a villain wtf lol

    • @jonathanche6553
      @jonathanche6553 4 года назад +6

      @Richard Black
      I guess it was because Overkill was still a hero in development stages (aka, this video) when Todd needed a new villain for his Spawn comic book series. So he was like, “Aight, I have an unreleased prototype character. Maybe I’ll use him.”

    • @demogeymidge2997
      @demogeymidge2997 3 года назад +3

      @@timmneeley4301 and started using him as a bit of a punching bag.

  • @KG_Thunder
    @KG_Thunder 4 года назад +54

    Love the subtle shade from Stan to Todd and Todd to Stan the entire time. "Overkill" sums up Stan's personal take on their style, with his endless digs at their huge over-costumed grim edgy characters while Todd reminds Stan at every opportunity that fans liked the flashier 90s style and DC comics exists.

  • @vlonp
    @vlonp 6 лет назад +297

    I agree with stan lee, the more classic heroes are timeless because they also have designs that are reasonable in an idea of combat and agility not just a fetish pile

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 3 года назад +14

      I tried bringing that up to a friend's about old fantasy ttrpg art and now extremes like final fantasy... old art for a rogue or wizard was a simple garb most the time.
      Now fantasy art is so expunged from reality theres like no grounding for anything really.
      Overkill looks LACKING compared to armor in final fantasy where spikes and horns and all this elegance creating added weight realistically and being cumbersome... is perfectly normal

    • @projectionreflection5475
      @projectionreflection5475 3 года назад +15

      Spawn is pretty damn memorable though

    • @anonlvl1957
      @anonlvl1957 3 года назад +9

      @@projectionreflection5475 Spawn is one lucky that was remember over thousand of forgoten copy based edgy heroes

    • @thecollector4332
      @thecollector4332 2 года назад +14

      @@projectionreflection5475
      I’d say that for all the fuck ups Todd and rob had, they did score some home runs. Spawn, venom, Deadpool (and to a degree cable) have pretty memorable designs. However those are stand outs. Most characters they made are garbage design wise.

    • @benedictrogers1478
      @benedictrogers1478 Год назад +2

      @@elgatochurro It really depends on the artist, and a lot of old fantasy TTRPG art had a tendency for women to lack clothes. But outside the more mainstream names styles vary a lot, Ryuutama for instance is done in a very sketch-like style that can hide a surprising amount of detail on simply dressed folk (do they have a cravat? Is that satchel implied to hold books or a set of tools? Do they even have a weapon, and if so what? Is their garb patterned, or is it covered in pockets?). It's really worth looking at more indie stuff, there's no way I'd mistake an The Aether Sea character for one from Chuubo's Marvelous Wish Granting Engine (which is definitely fantasy).

  • @thelittlepasty8360
    @thelittlepasty8360 4 года назад +108

    “It’s obviously my creation” basically Stan and Jack Kirby’s entire career together

    • @BLASTER0913
      @BLASTER0913 10 месяцев назад +7

      I’m convinced that Stan didn’t create a single character it was all Kirby but since Stan was in the same city at the time of creation…
      “It’s obviously a collaboration… so I get the credit for this character.”

    • @mero7731
      @mero7731 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@BLASTER0913that’s honestly how people sound nowadays 😂

    • @lordpsi99
      @lordpsi99 3 месяца назад

      Yes, that was the joke that Stan made. But later he clarified that the artists made something better than he imagined and they've always gotten credit. Stan is just better talking about stuff in front of the public and to fans and I think Jack was shy, right? I've seen enough raw talks from Stan to know that he really had an exceptional expertise about superheroes, even showing up in documentaries about DC characters. And apparently, he was the one who wanted to bring Super Sentai to the west after seeing what the people who made Supaidaman (official Japanese Spider-Man) made afterwards.

    • @dante_0962
      @dante_0962 3 месяца назад

      @@BLASTER0913 No as we see in this video both of them did. Unless it’s a massive coincidence he was involved with the biggest franchise of all time. Plus people like Jack Kirby and JRSR aren’t known for their writing ability.

    • @BLASTER0913
      @BLASTER0913 3 месяца назад

      @@dante_0962
      So.
      Stan was in a plane flying above the city where Kirby and Ditko created a character so therefore he also gets credit for the character.
      That’s how Stan was.
      A fraud.
      Took credit for everyone else’s work and ideas.

  • @captaintwitch340
    @captaintwitch340 2 года назад +20

    5:34 Todd's little rant about what scares him personally in a villain always fascinated me, because it's literally him describing Jason Wyn from the Spawn show and comics.

  • @philbattiste9649
    @philbattiste9649 5 лет назад +165

    "The kids like chains."
    No, no, I think YOU like chains, Todd.

    • @whensomethingcriesagain
      @whensomethingcriesagain 4 года назад +8

      "They seem to"

    • @raidenex3065
      @raidenex3065 3 года назад +5

      Hey results don't lie

    • @petehakkinen3020
      @petehakkinen3020 2 года назад +1

      Chains are very impractical to wear, I've got stuck in something so many times.

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад

      Image if there are two children talking about how radical chains are and the only reason why they read comics is because of or any media no chains? Not gonna watch/read/play it

    • @HiBuddyyyyyy
      @HiBuddyyyyyy 2 года назад +1

      Do you think they’re people who talk to kids they know?

  • @heavywestern5943
    @heavywestern5943 3 года назад +54

    Stan wants to make a character.
    Todd and Rob want to make a product.

  • @ninjaspion
    @ninjaspion 10 лет назад +257

    "no need to fight over it, it's obviously my creation"
    And they got Stan Lee'd, just like Jack Kirby

    • @bremensims6086
      @bremensims6086 5 лет назад +16

      Poor Jack Kirby

    • @Jose-se9pu
      @Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад +22

      Stan was the co-creator of every single Marvel character Jack ever drawed.

    • @snakes3425
      @snakes3425 5 лет назад +16

      Unlike Jack these two deserved it

    • @Ratchet2431
      @Ratchet2431 4 года назад +4

      @@Jose-se9pu The Eternals.

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 3 года назад

      @@snakes3425 deserved? They created ther crappiest piece of shit ive seen... Korra is written better as a hero

  • @sweeneezy
    @sweeneezy 10 лет назад +246

    Stan lee is the best. His comments are hysterical

  • @drcrowlee
    @drcrowlee 4 года назад +86

    For the amount of times Stan made the joke about owning this character, it sure didn't stop Todd from adding a T into the name and stealing it within the first 6 issues of SPAWN

  • @BatSTUD
    @BatSTUD 9 лет назад +318

    You have to love how Lee says he wants a hero but gives them the name Overkill. There is such beauty in that. It absolutely went over these two morons' heads because they fall right into the trap. Lee gave them an out with the hero part, but they just go right for what everyone knew they would go for. Overkill. Stan the Man Lee.

    • @D_Fyre
      @D_Fyre 5 лет назад +31

      He definitely did his homework and had some theories he wanted to test.

    • @paulahaunt
      @paulahaunt 4 года назад +24

      I think Todd got the joke. 10:11

    • @joshkaid
      @joshkaid 3 года назад +13

      @@paulahaunt I think he THOUGHT he got the joke. Like, I get the feeling watching this that Todd picked up on the fact that Stan was low key roasting them, but didn't know exactly what he was roasting them for.

  • @EEEasdfasdc
    @EEEasdfasdc 4 года назад +96

    I like Todd and Leifeld's art honestly - they're the equivalent of 80's action movies, pure sugar and nacho cheese. That being said though, they REALLY needed collaborators as Stan said, they have 0 eye for making compelling characters with interesting details/backstories.

    • @petehakkinen3020
      @petehakkinen3020 2 года назад +9

      @Noah zzstu Smith Liefeld hasn't learned how to draw feet (among many other things) in 30 fucking years, that's not a fine artist.

  • @neilyringworm
    @neilyringworm 10 лет назад +293

    The kids love chains

    • @myndlink
      @myndlink 6 лет назад +33

      manbearpigneil84 ...and whips too!

    • @thehomelander1146
      @thehomelander1146 6 лет назад +30

      and pouches

    • @JD-ud9qt
      @JD-ud9qt 5 лет назад +50

      They dont like feet though...

    • @0newingedcrow
      @0newingedcrow 5 лет назад +9

      @@JD-ud9qt If only Rob Liefeld had practiced harder...

    • @jaytheartman610
      @jaytheartman610 4 года назад +10

      @@JD-ud9qt *Quinton Tarantino has entered the chat*

  • @joshkaid
    @joshkaid 3 года назад +35

    What Stan described with Overkill is basically a PG-13 Punisher. Tough, but not violent. Rough, but still a hero.
    And this is what Todd and Rob came up with. Because they took the name and ran with it, without listening to Stan's notes. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But when Stan tried to habe them think of story beats, or background info, they didn't do jack shit.
    THAT was what Stan was trying to prove. Not that their art is shit (which it is, for the most part), but that they don't come up with characters. Story is secondary to what's on the cover.
    And that was proven in the first second, because the first thing Todd was draw the font for what would be the cover. He didn't think for a second, "who is this character and what kind of logo would fit him." He thought, "what looks the coolest." I mean, even Todd's SIGNATURE is over the top and ridiculous.
    Stan Lee was not a perfect man. Lord knows he's made mistakes. But he knew EXACTLY what he was doing here. And Rob and Todd had no idea what kind of booby trap Stan just laid at their feet.

    • @designave
      @designave 10 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed. And it wasn't a booby trap. They ARE overkill

  • @hyper4831
    @hyper4831 3 года назад +15

    "He's tough, but he's not violent"
    they laughed. I can confidently say that wasn't a joke.

  • @dynam1te_st1x
    @dynam1te_st1x 5 лет назад +35

    Stan: His name is Overkill, so I want you to make him tough and gritty.
    Todd and Rob: Let's make him thicc.

  • @LordArikado
    @LordArikado 4 года назад +40

    Take a shot every time Todd says "The kids will love it" or "The kids love X"

    • @Actual-Knight
      @Actual-Knight 4 года назад +1

      congratulations, this comment killed me

    • @gannielukks1811
      @gannielukks1811 2 года назад

      And Todd love kids

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад

      Todd: guys I just thought of a new superhero…. X chains like I’m going to exchange my fist to your face, because children love chains

  • @plcthelegacy4131
    @plcthelegacy4131 2 года назад +76

    "Does he have a double identity? Is he really a meek accountant in real life?"
    Wow, I would totally read that. A thin dorky accountant turning into what he thinks is a cool edgy badass. Only he's still kinda dorky even with all that over the top edge lord trash.

  • @TheRhetoricGamer
    @TheRhetoricGamer 4 года назад +25

    Laughing so hard that they weren't going to draw his feet until Stan told them to do so.

  • @pablocardoso7830
    @pablocardoso7830 4 года назад +27

    "A Liefeld character without shoulder pads is almost naked" LMAO.

  • @gamespy1965
    @gamespy1965 6 лет назад +17

    The creator of Spider-Man, the creator of Deadpool and the creator of Spawn collaborating on a character. Now that's something, that you could only get to see in the 90s.

  • @Footender
    @Footender 5 лет назад +85

    26:39 "You guys have ruined us, we've decided to give up comics and we're going into show bizz".......Witnessed Stan inventing the MCU

    • @oldcowbb
      @oldcowbb 4 года назад

      he has nothing to do with creating mcu

    • @LarryHazard
      @LarryHazard 4 года назад +2

      @@oldcowbb he tried to make marvel movies decades before X-men and Spider-man

  • @Duckas
    @Duckas 7 месяцев назад +9

    You can really tell that every single commenter on this video never watched this series. Stan Lee and Todd were very close to one another. In this series (comic book greats) Stan even says that Todd changed the way comic book art was done with depth and perspective.

    • @floatingdisembodiedhead8975
      @floatingdisembodiedhead8975 2 месяца назад +2

      That's good to hear. Its hard seeing people take sides between these three. They are legends in their own right. They paid their dues, their time in the sun is done. No need to paint them negatively.

    • @Paugose
      @Paugose 2 месяца назад +2

      There's even an episode where Stan Lee is just chilling with Todd and his wife.
      I think modern people are so used to incredibly passive behavior that seeing two friends going a bit harder than usual on the banter is "roasting" and "destroying" them.

    • @Duckas
      @Duckas 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Paugose That's very true. It's crazy cause that's how older generation showed there friendship, they would bust each other's balls for fun. The moment that banter stopped the relationship died.

  • @RhysClark97
    @RhysClark97 7 лет назад +114

    todd mcfarlane "he's gotta be a guy, he's gotta be huge" literally the only two things in your drawing vocabulary

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад +7

      And shoulder pads, don’t forget pouches either

    • @IGRETRO
      @IGRETRO 2 года назад

      That doesn’t sound like a compliment

  • @harrisjm62
    @harrisjm62 Год назад +9

    As a kind from an abusive household in the 90s, Spawn was the coolest comic to me. I couldn't relate as much to marvel's more middle-class functional family comics.

  • @drmartinsboots
    @drmartinsboots 2 года назад +12

    Rob wants shoulder pads, Tod wants chains, Stan claims ownership after thinking of the name 🤓

  • @maksimilijan5029
    @maksimilijan5029 6 лет назад +105

    the michael bay of comic books = rob liefeld.

  • @MasterTZA
    @MasterTZA 5 лет назад +40

    RIP Stan. Great sense of humor and a complete savage at times.

  • @AgentMorgan2010
    @AgentMorgan2010 8 лет назад +15

    That's crazy. Overt-Kill was a Spawn character, and I had an action figure of him way back in the day. Had no idea that this was basically the creation, and Todd just added a T to the name.

  • @Paugose
    @Paugose 3 месяца назад +3

    I know people are laughing at Stan's remark to Todd and Rob. But I can't stop thinking that Todd was one of the very last guy to see Stan Lee alive. On McFarlane's way out of the hospital or nursing home (don't recall it correctly), Stan told him something along the lines of "Thank you, Todd. Your visits bring me much more than any of these nurse treatment".

  • @retrocute
    @retrocute 6 лет назад +61

    Overkill died in Infinity War

  • @DementedDistraction
    @DementedDistraction 4 года назад +44

    I think we're all glossing over the real star of the show here - Todd's canary yellow Mr. Rogers sweater.
    Though I like how Stan had to remind them to draw the feet.

  • @awesomegaymer5786
    @awesomegaymer5786 2 года назад +14

    How nice of stan Lee to take the time to hang out with children trying to get into comics!

  • @blossomingbeelzebub
    @blossomingbeelzebub 8 лет назад +140

    Can he stop saying "the kids" every 5 sentences.

    • @Morgil27
      @Morgil27 8 лет назад +25

      I'm only 30, and yet lately I've been finding myself saying that a lot lately. God, I feel old.

    • @brentshira3373
      @brentshira3373 5 лет назад +4

      You ARE old

    • @MakoHazard
      @MakoHazard 5 лет назад +14

      It's a deflection of responsibility. It makes him look selfless while at the same time means it's not necessarily what he wants, but what "the kids" want. Really fucking obnoxious and transparent. In reality he doesn't give a fuck about what "the kids" want and these were his and rob's ideas alone.

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 3 года назад

      @@MakoHazard nah, it's Stan's, either way its crap

    • @mikemars2112
      @mikemars2112 3 года назад +1

      @@MakoHazard You're taking something fun and turning it into negativity. Get out of here with that.

  • @francis10583
    @francis10583 4 года назад +6

    “He shoots through his chest?” Lol love the tone when stan said that

  • @gloweyspecs
    @gloweyspecs 2 года назад +5

    god McFarlane joking about "haha we'll be in court years later arguing over the rights! (8:30)" aged super horribly

  • @exquisitecorpse__
    @exquisitecorpse__ 4 года назад +18

    _"This is the first-time these guys have heard OverKill."_
    No Stan, I dont think that's true at all.

  • @PurpleMetal75
    @PurpleMetal75 4 года назад +12

    Lee: We're gonna donate this drawing to charity.
    Liefeld and McFarlane: Good. Then, we're gonna get a movie deal, and it'll become the next teenage mutant ninja turtles, and we'll sue each other. The kids are gonna love us!

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад +2

      As a 17 year old I gotta say I never heard about them until I watch a bunch of comic book RUclipsrs talk about them. So yeah it’s like that one quote that Patrick once said… it didn’t work

  • @filipinowhiteboy
    @filipinowhiteboy Год назад +6

    "You can draw and think at the same time?" God Stan Lee is killing me here.

  • @calvinhenio4456
    @calvinhenio4456 5 лет назад +20

    The quality of the video just screams community cable channel. Like this was aired live on sunday at 8:30am. in Muskogee, Arkansas. True Believers. RIP Stan Lee.

  • @nydabeats
    @nydabeats 5 лет назад +30

    All the jokes about copyrights lol and Todd actually used this character! classic!

    • @punkpinata7062
      @punkpinata7062 4 года назад +14

      Noooo Todd didn't use this character. This character is Overkill. Todd's character was Over*t*kill. Completely different.
      Ahh you gotta love Todd McFarlane.

  • @dizzydoom4230
    @dizzydoom4230 8 лет назад +146

    Why are people trying to cover for Rob Liefeld? His male and female characters are LITERALLY the same as each other: scowling, crumpled faces with little to no real eyes, gritting teeth openly almost 24/7, all super-jacked up (in both muscles AND proportions), pounches, guns, etc. His artwork is fucking ugly, quite frankly, and the only people backing his ass up are nostalgia-blinded from the 90's "EXTREEEEME" phase. Spawn and Deadpool are TWO creations of Image that came out okay, and Rob Liefeld isn't even RESPONSIBLE for making Deadpool as popular as he is. It was the work of OTHER writers.

    • @dizzydoom4230
      @dizzydoom4230 7 лет назад +42

      Jonathan Sokolowski Because his style is not a good one to emulate. Very bizarre. horrid proportions, constant gritting of teeth and blank white eyes, overuse of pouches, obsession with guns, etc.
      Also, it was still Rob Liefeld who created Deadpool's appearance, and yet, it was other writers who made him a good character.

    • @Clide0_0
      @Clide0_0 7 лет назад +15

      Dizzy Doom his style isnt the problem its what he thought the character should act like in main run. Most of his characters like this one are just power fantasies which made comics complete garbage for a while

    • @dizzydoom4230
      @dizzydoom4230 7 лет назад +20

      XxBeastlyGodxX Which is why I resent his style, not only in his artwork but in his writing. It all screams of excess, with no substance.

    • @kevarosenberg
      @kevarosenberg 6 лет назад +3

      It's an old(man) argument I been listenin to since the early 90's. It doesn't matter. Kids liked it. They boosted the appeal and market for comics when it needed the boost back then. They even dared to go it alone and do their own thing, which they got flack for in this video from Stan. Lighten up

    • @spaceghostvibes9712
      @spaceghostvibes9712 6 лет назад +4

      He reinvented the way the xmen costumers where vs the original corny look . He also make cable

  • @ShotgunGabe
    @ShotgunGabe 4 года назад +11

    20:58 this is what im impressive about stan lee. Despite his passive aggressive comments he still manage to give their character more personality that’s how he got his point across by giving impressing them and basically showing them that character creation is more important instead of gadgets.

  • @SvensPron
    @SvensPron 5 лет назад +13

    I mean, to be fair, the character really does fit the name

  • @In-N-Out333
    @In-N-Out333 7 лет назад +56

    "The kids like chains!" lol

    • @IGRETRO
      @IGRETRO 2 года назад

      To be fair, bikers were popular among the teenagers from 90s

  • @MrTrenttness
    @MrTrenttness 6 лет назад +20

    I love these videos. Seeing the dynamics between Stan the publisher and Todd and Rob has creators is incredible. When you know the history that played out between them seeing this interaction gives a huge insight to the type of tensions that underline their relationships.

    • @kevarosenberg
      @kevarosenberg 6 лет назад

      I know, this is classic, knowing the history. Reminds me of being on LSD with people a lot older and more experienced who were either jealous or plain did not like seeing me have my fun. The punishment and then a fluid witty retaliation that rolls off the tongue exactly when needed hehe

    • @MrTrenttness
      @MrTrenttness 6 лет назад +7

      Kit Zoey Umm..... yeah.
      It just like that.

    • @gregoneill2817
      @gregoneill2817 6 лет назад +1

      In some of the other videos from this series, Todd even mentions Image comics a couple times. As many times as Stan goes out of his way to take credit for co-creating this drawing, I'm surprised there wasn't a comment out of Stan about it

    • @bd4597
      @bd4597 10 месяцев назад

      hahahahaha@@kevarosenberg

  • @wyrmoffastring
    @wyrmoffastring 7 лет назад +80

    "Oh don't bash the poor artists!" First, Rob Leifeld is an artist, but a poor one. I'm not saying technique, cus technically, his linework is ok, etc, but his research and referencing is shit. Second, this isn't just about them being artists, this is about being character creators. Sure, they're brainstorming, but Stan is trying to help them out with character development and they just ignore it.

  • @NTEDOG561
    @NTEDOG561 8 лет назад +15

    Stan hits the nail on the head when he talks about robs way of doing characters haha

  • @fetaldistress23
    @fetaldistress23 5 лет назад +20

    The amount of shade Stan throws in this is hilarious!

  • @ARMIV4
    @ARMIV4 4 года назад +17

    Getting away from the ruthless methodical murder happening here, this really sounds like a fun challenge for artists/writers.
    What comes to your mind when you hear "Overkill"? Is it anything at all like what these two made?
    Should try this out with some friends...

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад +3

      To me sounds like someone is over killing like they don’t want to kill anymore and wants to do things more peacefully.

  • @kennethcooper1124
    @kennethcooper1124 10 месяцев назад +4

    “A lifeld character without shoulder pads is almost naked “ I know why Stanlee modeled Spider-Man after himself he’s hilarious

  • @surgeland9084
    @surgeland9084 2 года назад +5

    I would read a comic about a character called Overkill, but it's a skinny naked guy and everyone is terrified of him for reasons unclear.

    • @ElvenSonic
      @ElvenSonic 2 года назад +1

      One Punch Man’s King is pretty close to that concept, but his whole thing is looking threatening and intimidating on accident. so the reasons aren’t exactly unclear.

  • @alexm2143
    @alexm2143 10 лет назад +80

    Fun watching Todd and Stans inflated egos battle each other

    • @brentshira3373
      @brentshira3373 5 лет назад +7

      What the fuck are you talking about? Your jealousy is sickening

    • @bremensims6086
      @bremensims6086 5 лет назад

      @@brentshira3373 Jack Kirby would like to politely disagree

    • @Jose-se9pu
      @Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад +9

      @@bremensims6086 Jack's ego was bigger that Stan's, he not only said he created all the characters by himself (he didnt), he went as far as to say he created Spiderman, insulting Steve Ditko in the process.

    • @bremensims6086
      @bremensims6086 5 лет назад +2

      @@Jose-se9pu Jack Kirby would like to politely disagree

  • @JLovrak
    @JLovrak 4 года назад +16

    Todd: “He needs a cape like three times the length of his body! Ooo, and one boot needs to be freakishly larger than the other one!”

  • @sa-x19
    @sa-x19 8 лет назад +38

    God.. Todd's laugh

    • @floydsmith7747
      @floydsmith7747 7 лет назад +5

      Mate, I'm spewin' every time. 'Hegh hegh hegh hegh' hahahaha

    • @ChronicBreakdown
      @ChronicBreakdown 6 лет назад +5

      Alex B I know lol. "Hu hew hu hew hu hew"

    • @mycontentcreation5264
      @mycontentcreation5264 2 года назад

      I think when God was creating him, he accidentally put a goose voice box in and didn’t realise until it was to late.

  • @comicbookpaul2206
    @comicbookpaul2206 5 лет назад +48

    "legs are important", so are feet, Rob 😂🙈

  • @georgesimpson7789
    @georgesimpson7789 4 года назад +9

    "I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I'm just trying to put you on the spot.

  • @dhartist
    @dhartist 8 месяцев назад +2

    These are so good! Such a neat look at their process 💪

  • @TheLockon00
    @TheLockon00 4 года назад +5

    "Stan, you're 91? You don't look a day over 89!"

  • @prateeksurana7122
    @prateeksurana7122 6 лет назад +18

    According oxford dictionary- OVERKILL is an excessive use, treatment, or action; too much of something.

  • @TakeAsNeeded4Pain
    @TakeAsNeeded4Pain 5 лет назад +13

    The video should be titled Stan Lee trolls Todd McFarlane & Rob Liefeld for 30 min lol

  • @dyerdanforth9030
    @dyerdanforth9030 9 лет назад +55

    Liefeld's work first seemed cool--to kids who had no idea that his characters had way too many teeth, fucked up hands and feet, and funhouse-distortions in their proportions. I look back and I cringe. And what's with all the pouches? I also hate the day they scammed kids with their multiple covers. Disgusting .

    • @IGRETRO
      @IGRETRO 2 года назад

      Oh, so you go ahead and show your body of work, a successful company and a respectful place in the comic book industry, mister expert. I don’t see any amazing art on your page.

    • @giantfightingroboto
      @giantfightingroboto Год назад +1

      @@IGRETRO I'm sure Rob appreciates you defending him over an 8 year old comment

  • @Jose-se9pu
    @Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад +49

    You have Stan, a man who worked with the best artists in the world (including Jack freaking Kirby) co-creating the most popular comic book characters in history, seeing these two clowns not making a character, but making something that they could put on a cover, and knew little kids would buy because "it was cool".
    At least McFarlane says "kids like it", he knew what he was doing, but you can see Liefield was annoyed by Stan...
    Glad Stan Lee at least putted them in their place, pointing out how absurd the design was., and is actually funny how Stan, by just looking at this thing (21:00), actually though of a better background story for him that the two creators of it.

  • @lachesis1541
    @lachesis1541 3 года назад +5

    "Not a guy you would mess with"
    Well if i throw a couple of insults his way and then run away at a mild pace whats he gonna do catch me?

  • @mikemars2112
    @mikemars2112 3 года назад

    Amazing video. Watching the previous videos with these guys, you can see how Stan loved getting them together to create something new for him.

  • @Obese_Pterodactyl
    @Obese_Pterodactyl 5 лет назад +16

    Good to know I'm not the only one who can't draw feet.

    • @Tyler_Takahashi
      @Tyler_Takahashi 4 года назад +2

      @lightning crashes an old mother dies lmao

  • @mrcomix5948
    @mrcomix5948 5 лет назад +8

    24:55...my favorite part..love it when Stan says that

  • @loudandfast1389
    @loudandfast1389 6 лет назад +34

    "Oh, this guy's THICC"