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Tariq Nasheed and Haz Al-Din discuss American Communism
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- 00:00 Communism and White Supremacy
05:41 America vs Europe
14:16 Communism and an Economic Bill of Rights
18:26 The Root Cause of Racism
44:32 Reparations
58:54 FBI vs Black Power
01:02:26 Class Struggle and Working Class Unity
Tariq unexpectedly joins Haz's X Space for a pleasant, informative and engaging conversation on American history, the origins of global capitalism, and the relationship between Communism & reparations for Foundational Black Americans.
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Saying Cuba is white nationalist is a bit ridiculous... how many Black Cuban boatpeople do you see? Come on
@@theblackpack Cuba is what!? That's an unhinged lie... Antonio Maceo was a mulato Cuban general and second-in-command of the Cuban Army of Independence. The 1959 revolution opened school and public spaces regardless of race, they helped Angolans and other African Nations fight for their independence and I can go on
Tariq blames white people for everything then refuses to not live around them. He also tries to claim Israelis are white just to blame whites for it, despite genetics and all else saying otherwise
How are Black Cubans treated? What power do they have in Cuba?
Theres still issues with racism in Cuba but nothing like you see in every capitalist country. Dude is incoherent. He dismisses communism because according to him its a white supremacist country but wont dismiss capitalism despite viewing the biggest capitalist country in the world, where he lives, as a white supremacist country? Guys like him dont hate that system, they just wish they were in charge of it
@@B-Eazy_DatDude more than black people have in the US. The US is a white supremacist country and the most capitalist in the world so why are you holding on to Capitalism?
This meeting was inevitable. Tariq and Haz interacting in a highly intelligent conversation is legendary!
I have been waiting for a tariq and haz conversation for a while now. Great discussion
Now this a adult intelligent conversation i could listen to all day, very intelligent conversations without the childish interruptions & disrespect towards the guess racial group, with the time wasting trolling or pun definitely intended Myron 😉🙅🏼♂️thank goodness just two grown adult man having intelligent,respectful, meaningful conversations💯 about big issues that's needs to be talked about, in a intelligent adult like understanding of each other manor💯🤨salute to both men✊🏼👏🏼
@@FBA-Reddawg2.0 facts💯
Whoa tariq and FBA in the house. 😯
WHAT IS MISSING IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE.. THIS IS WHY THEY GO AFTER ANY BLACK THAT MENTIONS IT.. LIKE KYRIE IRVING.. BLACK PEOPLE FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE ARE HEBREWS.. AMERIKKKA IS BABYLON.. THATS WHY THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN
HEMITE EGYPTIAN PYRAMID ON THERE MONEY.. WHO HELD US IN BONDAGE IN THE ANCIENT WORLD.
This is a great first step to centuries of cooperation.
Haven't finished watching yet, ten minutes in so far but I am liking where this discussion is going
In the U.S. racism has its roots in Capitalism. Racism was and still is a central feature in the construction of U.S. and global Capitalism. The Invention of the White Race. Vol I and II by Theodore W. Allen
Racism is a senseless and fabricated division purely contrived to divide the masses along artificial and abstract lines utterly detached from the material reality of the working class. The hegemon of capital seeks nothing less than the eternal division of working people against each other.
Ethnic conflict and competition existed before capitalism and will exist whatever comes after.
@@davidshapiro292 You are conflating ethnic and cultural conflict with the European concept of Race, you don't have any idea the history of Racism clearly, so why attempt to speak on it? Ethnicity is not Race, especially by the classical definition of race being a much broader spectrum of categorization.
@@KimmyTheForsaken
"Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity."
Literally the first sentence in wiki about racism.
Looks like you don't know what racism means, also get owned.
@@davidshapiro292 I was speaking specifically about racism in the U.S. which must be viewed within its environment. The owners of Capital exacerbate and manipulate existing cleavages within the labor force for their benefit.
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Very interesting conversation, glad the space was recorded
Top tier conversation of American men on the cutting edge. Infrared still rising
Well one sounded like a broken record and viewed everything thru the lens of "race" and the other was trying to have a real conversation(Haz). Its about the economic system which is the root cause of most injustices including the race thing... And Tariq's "eskimo and brown skin" theory about brown skin not being because of the sun.. Good grief..
"Eskimos"(which they dont like being called btw) have brown skin because they migrated from Asia which has alot of sun lol.. and white people being a "form of albinism"..? Jesus christ.. I gave up after he said that. Tariq Nasheed comes off borderline in my opinion and his logic is frightening.
But I admit its kinda hilarious that he goes on and on about white supremacy but then refers to whites as sick people with a kind of albino desease according to "some scientists". lmfao
@@collybeans586that’s Tariq for you. He has good points but he views literally everything through the lens of race. Not everything boils down to race but he thinks it does. Apple falls on his head, the tree was planted by a white man, racism!
@collybeans586 At the start, yes. But when it came to meat and potatoes of actually accomplishing the goals FBAs seek, Tariq is clearly willing to cooperate with capital C Communists.
@@collybeans586 yea lol the funny thing is he acknowledges that 'white supremacy' didn't exist to the same extent in the ancient past, meaning it had to come about through certain historical developments... he implicitly recognizes that it's the not the foundational cause for social/political issues just by acknowledging that, whether he realizes it or not lol
@@collybeans586name one country an asia that look like eskimos with brown skin none of them are brown skin what are you talking about
Once Tariq accepts that Karl Marx was a black man it will all fall into place
Marx wore a durag while writing kapital
Shhhhh don’t let them know,and he’s not the only one,if the modern so-called whites really who was really who in their so-called modern reconstructed version of European history they would with implement a global coup for being lied to for so long,as well as the so-called modern black finding out that their DAMN history does not start with slavery and also that they weren’t pigeon held to one damn continent,and that the people you may think were YT during colonial both prior and post may have looked similar to you who placed you on the chopping block for greed ,and replaced you with descendants of a much paler stock of proletariat serfs who once worked for black nobilities of Europe wink wink,it’s get back for them and how they were treated in Europe and historically.
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What proof is there that he's Black?
And just being Black does not mean you are not against your own people.
@B-Eazy_DatDude he wasn't black. He's probably one of those revisionists that comes from the cult of tariq
Legendary conversation!
WHAT IS MISSING IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE.. THIS IS WHY THEY GO AFTER ANY BLACK THAT MENTIONS IT.. LIKE KYRIE IRVING.. BLACK PEOPLE FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE ARE HEBREWS.. AMERIKKKA IS BABYLON.. THATS WHY THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN
HEMITE EGYPTIAN PYRAMID ON THERE MONEY.. WHO HELD US IN BONDAGE IN THE ANCIENT WORLD.
The point is not that socialism/communism is the magic remedy for such a serious problem as racism, and it’ll be solved from one day to another after socialism will be proclaimed. The point it that without abolishing the social economical injustice that is created by capitalism, and actually is very nature of the capitalist system, we can not even think to get somewhere closer to the solvating this problem. USSR is a really good example of how socialist system can deal with national discord, racism, any type of chauvinism. Were those problems solved at 100%? I don’t think so. But I think the Soviet Union got tremendously close to that. I know this from my own experience, growing up on Soviet military base, where all nations of USSR presented, from all republics of Union.
haz completely threw Cuban comrades and Freedom fighters under the bus, as did Tariq. Many rights have been fought for by our black and indigenous comrades in Cuba and today they have furthered the liberation and justice under communism and allowed for the historical oppression of slavery to be alleviated if not removed. Its not perfect, and due to the US actions with blockade the ppl continue to struggle, but the material conditions for Afro Latinos in Cuba are far better than the US, or many countries.
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@@angelg8445Are you Afro-Cuban? Name 3 prominent Afro-Cuban that are notarized for thier liberation efforts?
@@angelg8445Do African Cubans support reparations for FBA? Because if they don't they can kick rock's
@@angelg8445
That is sad. Because that shows how poorly Haz informed about how things actually are in nations that are liberated from the imperialist capital. Next time his opponent will drop into discussion question about uyghurs in China, and he will not gonna be able to respond. Even when Haz advocated for Russia he mentioned centuries of multinational and multicultural history of Russia, without distinction of Russian empire and Soviet Union. I don’t think that Russian empire was any close in cruelty to indigenous people as it was British or French colonial powers. Not at all. But the point of the discussion was communism, so we should point out the experience of USSR, that had very distinct approach to the matter than Russian empire had.
LET'S GO. GLORY TO FBAs. Thank you, Tariq, for your service to the struggle.
WHAT IS MISSING IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE.. THIS IS WHY THEY GO AFTER ANY BLACK THAT MENTIONS IT.. LIKE KYRIE IRVING.. BLACK PEOPLE FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE ARE HEBREWS.. AMERIKKKA IS BABYLON.. THATS WHY THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN
HEMITE EGYPTIAN PYRAMID ON THERE MONEY.. WHO HELD US IN BONDAGE IN THE ANCIENT WORLD.
I found this conversation to be intelligent and constructive. Shout out to our good brother Tariq and the host🙏🏿
Thank you
This was a phenomenal conversation. Thank you Tariq and Haz.
It really wasn’t. Tariq is a clown, a testament to the patience of Haz in this conversation.
Here for K-Flex and the FBA family
Idk about Cuba, but Russians by and large definitely do not have any racial animosity towards black people.
Much less do they have systematic racism against anyone upon an ethnic premise.
Some have animosity against immigrants in general, sure, and many have animosity against illegal immigration, but in the overwhelming majority of cases this is not premised upon race or ethnicity.
Nevertheless, migrant workers and student foreigners have many opportunities in Russia to make a lot of money and/or receive a world-class education
They are organically a diverse society being both European and Asian and on top of that they had Marxist education drilled into them. For a time in the USSR chavaunistic ethnosupremacy was illegal, on top of that they were invaded by people who were motivated by that ideology of supremacy. They uniquely understand
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Whats the black population?? What power do they have..is it shared or master and slave relationship? That quest can be asked in Latin countries as well.
@7DMEDIA1 You asking about America or Russia ?
Russian civilizational character & universal culture is very welcoming to whoever comes there to put in work and doesn't do crime.
Pretty much all you gotta do is learn Russian and you'll be considered a Russian. African, European, Asian, Latino, Turkic, it don't matter.
It's a process in which you wouldn't lose your non-Russian particularity , but you would assimilate into the customs of whatever locality you settle in-- many of which are far from being purely 'European Russian'/'Great Russian'.
There's no entrenched resentment/discrimination based on exclusion of any ethnicities or races within the Russian socius as a whole.
I don't think there's any master-slave power dynamics in Russia that are determined specifically by any racial/ethnic/cultural identity.
If you're a citizen of Russia, under the law you are equal to any other citizen, with the same rights as them, and you have the same opportunities to participate in government & enterprise as any other average citizen-- socio-economic class distinctions notwithstanding.
@@7DMEDIA1Russia says Jesus is black
FBA all day
"FBA" Citizens Truly Adore You
Mr. Tariq Nasheed ❤
Keep Up The Fantastic Work
Sir 👍 and
US Black American Citizens Are Totally Behind You 😊.
Keep Fighting For The "FBA" Citizens.💪
Remember:
US Black Citizens Are God and Jesus Christ Chosen Group 🙏.
"FBA" Citizens Are Not Immigrants, Migrants Or Illegal Aliens.
That's Why Other Groups Are So Misinformed, Jealous and Intimidated By You!!!!
Great conversation!
Incredible conversation
Tariq as a black man i need to remind you that russia materially supported liberation in africa.
And though racism exists in cuba castro sent troops to fight alongdide freedom fighters in africa
How large is the Black population in Russia? Do white Russians share any power with Black Russians?
How large is the Black population in Russia? Do white russian share any power with black russians there?
Definitely in the top 3 of Infra-spaces in IGG history hands down
This was a very constructive conversation. Tariq is a very effective advocate for these issues. Al-Din was very receptive and co-authored the discussion as well.
5:17 Black Abkhazians have lived in the Caucasus for centuries. They descend from African immigrants that settled in the region, adopted the Abkhaz language and syncrecized their hitherto African cultures and customs with those of the Abkhazians and Russians.
The Afro-Chinese population is also increasing - a number of black kids in Guangzhou are thoroughly integrated into the Chinese education system and speak both Cantonese and Mandarin fluently.
I'd like to know what the relationship between these communities and the wider Russian and Chinese society are.
Bacon's Rebellion was the reason for 'White Skin' superiority as outlined in Theodore W. Allen's 2 volume book, The Invention of the White Race.
absolute nonsense white supremacy
Tariq is a legend. i'm glad these two great minds are coming together.
I disagree with Tariq on one thing in regards to Spain, unlike the English, Spain encouraged the Spaniards to mix with the natives. There are more mixed people in Spanish colonies then English and French colonies.
What about the spain now.....in current state
@@WETALKINMEDIA I'm not sure
Not in their african colonies
Put that history into accurate context. The Spaniards would colonize a country, enslave the people, turned the native men into labor slaves and the native women into sex slaves who they impregnated as a form of racial cleansing. Turning native women into sex slaves is nothing to glorify. The Spaniard Colonialists were no different than the other White Supremacists of their time.
Stop babbling
Spain = race survival (racial mixing is necessary
Anglo = race preservation (no racial mixing)
Fantastic conversation
Phenomenal
This was an interesting conversation
Much love and solidarity comrades from Ireland !!!
I was listening live. The thing I did not like about Nasheed's message (even if true, which it is) is that it can be perceived a little too much victimistic for many american mainstream audiences. Gotta change the approach, black americans are an integral part of US character and history that need reparations not just for being victims, but also for all which they have given for the nation and the people.
Like what?
Its not true.
Not just slavery but everything after slavery as well. Black oppressed and locked black Americans out of wealth.
When you mention Jim crow, CIA crack era, and mass incarceration. alot of people skip over that when reparative justice is being discussed.
@roanora7853 The extreme surplus of labor that turned America into the Top World Power after being the economic base for the Industrial Revolution as well as being the primary workforce for building this countries original institutions. Slave Masters payed taxes to the Federal government that facilitated this countries growth. They built railroads and the whole of Washington DC. Fought in every war in this country etc.
Victimistic? You are not an ally of Black Americans. This is why we rejected communism. You guys have the same anti-black views as your leader, Karl Marx.
Two geniuses meeting
@@NUPE526 He ain't white lol
@@NUPE526 brown
Haz is right about the Western Christianity vs Eastern Christianity thing. The Eastern Christianity is more about your soul, not your body. Even before the USSR (which always uplifted African and Black people and supported their struggle for liberation), in the Russian Empire, the prison house of peoples, the importance of the soul took priority. If a non-Russian, "non-white" citizen converted to Orthodox Christianity, they were free to marry Orthodox Russians or whoever, however "white", both legally and in common practice. There was no stigma attached to that.
The most famous case would be Abram Petrovich Gannibal, the great grandfather of the most famous Russian poet Alexander Pushkin. Gannibal was given to Peter the Great as a gift with the idea that he would be a slave to the Tsar. Peter didn't play along though. Instead he adopted Gannibal as his godson, gave him the best education possible and promoted him to important military postions. Later Gannibal was given a noble title and a huge estate with serfs. Gannibal married a white woman, and had very black (ten) children with her. His children also received excellent education, as was proper for the nobility, served in high ranks and married white or Russian women/men.
Alexander Pushkin himself, being a great grandson, had very distinct black features, and it wasn't a problem when he married literally _the most beautiful Russian noble woman_ of that time, Natalia Goncharova.
So this "biological" reason is just more of the Western European natsee nonsense. As a matter of fact, if we study biology, the opposite is true. If your partner is too much like you, your children are more likely to be born sickly. If your partner is distinctively different, your offsprings would be much healthier. So, biologically, we are conditioned to choose people who are different from us, for the better chance at healthy children.
Just curious do you think this is only for Eaatern orthodox or even other Orthodox groups like Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Catholics or Eastern Byzantine catholics
"Gannibal" was most likely a "Muscovite" an ancient INDIGENOUS BLACK LINEAGE that settled Russia over the past c100Kyrs!
"Byzantine Russians" were Black Asians, Romans, and Hebrews as well.
In MODERN RUSSIA, "Caucasian" is still a RACIAL SLUR meaning "Blacks".
@Blade-kd5qe it's because western enlightenment period is the cause of the genetics racism crap
absolute nonsense eastern christians are WAY more racist
@@Blade-kd5qe Honestly, I don't know about the other types of Christianity. I'm Russian, so I know Russian history and Russian culture. And I know European history because of the general Euro-centrism of our world. So I can only speak about those two.
If Communism means more wealth, and more opportunities for Foundational Black Americans (FBA), then I’m all for it!
In what country has communism meant more wealth and more opportunities for one racial demographic in particular? Heck, when has it meant more wealth and more opportunities for anyone?
@@LuridContentChina
@@suiz1781 Mixed economy. China is, however, quite happy to take away freedom of speech. Not to mention forced labor camps for Chinese Muslims.
So if you're willing to give up personal rights... sure?
@@LuridContent China, Cuba, USSR, etc. etc. etc., you need to factor in the sanctions and blockades from the largest most developed powers as well, getting militarily encircled and 'contained', etc. etc.
@@mohsn295 I do. And what you're saying is that the rest of the world finds communism pretty disgusting. Well. From those who survived it.
*Eastside Low Bottoms sh*t !*
_Tappin' in from South Central LA_
Salute to the King of Receipts Tariq Nasheed ✊🏾
Further proof of Our Brothers intelligence and brilliance. He can go toe to toe with the best of 'em.
FBA all day. FBA all the way.
🤜🏾💥🤛🏾
GREAT CONVO!!!!!!!!!!
This was a great listen!
Damn Tariq, always on point.
WHAT IS MISSING IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE.. THIS IS WHY THEY GO AFTER ANY BLACK THAT MENTIONS IT.. LIKE KYRIE IRVING.. BLACK PEOPLE FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE ARE HEBREWS.. AMERIKKKA IS BABYLON.. THATS WHY THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN
HEMITE EGYPTIAN PYRAMID ON THERE MONEY.. WHO HELD US IN BONDAGE IN THE ANCIENT WORLD.
I miss Haz/Infrared on RUclips so much. Such a shame I can't tune into your streams much anymore man. I miss those days, but it is amazing to see your perpetual rise and success. Infrared forever rising ☀️🦍
A real meeting of the minds
Love Haz but this was a bit too schizo for my taste, at least. It kinda seemed to me that Haz was being pushed left and right without much resistance to this. Haz is usually a bomb filled with so much information and I expected Haz to push back a little more on some of the things brought up. I feel like if this wasn't Tariq, Haz would've responded way more extensively.
Btw that psychology lady that Tariq brought up as a case of white supremacy started to sound like some Yakub type of ordeal. Haz don't entertain people like this, it's ridiculous.
He was afraid to be called a white supremacist since tariq hates all whites.
You don't think haz would keep that same energy if this was one of the J Sakai types he's debated in the past? 😂 I love Haz and I have no problem with this good faith conversation, but you are correct, if this wasn't Tariq I could see a lot more pushback on the idpol race reductionism. I dont even think he would show Gerald Horne this level of respect and defference.
No biggie though, just a mild criticism, and I love seeing people come together in good faith with minor disagreements rather than the alternative which is divisive and counterproductive in a lot of ways..
Also in fairness, Haz usually doesnt explode on people, until he gets hit with adhom attacks or other slimy debate tactics.
@@Raydaruckuz Tariq is not someone you should want on our side. He is only good for debating against, but that didn't happen in this video.
@@JT-yx7vf Haz has isolated himself in a sense and i think he *(and his audience of sychophants and twitter npcs) feel like they need to "market to conservatives" but this is such a fatal mistake your basically doing what leftists want you to do and ceding terriotory to them but thats what the 'insirders' at infra seem to want to pursue
Sounds like you got triggered and emotional about it. It wasn't a debate but a conversation. Haz knows what he's doing.
Tariq Nasheed and Haz!
The most formidable debate Haz has ever faced! Great conversation!
I want to ask you guys. Was white supremacy behind the enclosure system in England at the very beginning of development of capitalism? English peasants were different race than english nobles and early bourgeois? How about irish people? Were they different skin color, or the harsh exploitation and oppression of Irish by english was justified by religious matters? How about russian peasants exploited by russian landlords and later by capitalists of russian descent? How about indigenous bourgeoisie of non white communities? Who do they oppress if they are also people of color themselves? Right, people of the same descent.
Capitalist system love to incorporate non-white individuals in the ruling class. That gives the system legitimacy, and appearance of just system. Look, everyone has chance to become part of us; blacks, women, gays, whoever else.
It's insane there are still people denying this
Read a book named "the iceman inheritance". That'll answer your questions in regards to Europeans and their behavior towards each other and everyone else around the world.
@@TribeByNoire
I am not going to read this positivist anti scientific bs.
I suggest you read historical materialism works and learn to think dialectically.
@@DimitryCheniche you just don't want to hear about your people's history and culture.
@@TribeByNoire
I am product of my people’s history, I am culture of my people. I don’t see why I should read ANTISCIENTIFIC books to learn about what me and my people are. Can not make sense of it.
Very engaging conversation about Communism! I learned a lot!
4:20 Seems to be pretty obvious to me: the rapid development of Africa as a civilizational space so that all Africans, including those of the diaspora, can regain their dignity.
INFRARED WILL RISE UP
TWO GREAT GIANTS ARE MERGING THEIR BRILLIANT MINDS.
HOW TERRIBLE FOR THE ENEMIES OF THE TRUTH!!!
24:11 The blood quantum ideology did not originate in Spain. It is a concept primarily associated with the United States and its policies towards Native American tribes. Blood quantum refers to the practice of defining Native American identity based on the percentage of one's ancestry that is Native American. This method was used by the U.S. government to determine eligibility for certain rights and benefits, as well as membership within tribes.
In contrast, Spain's historical approach to issues of ancestry and ethnicity during the colonial period involved concepts like "limpieza de sangre" (purity of blood), which focused on religious and ethnic purity, particularly in relation to Jewish and Muslim ancestry. This concept was used to maintain social and political control, particularly during and after the Reconquista and the Spanish Inquisition.
While both concepts involve bloodlines and ancestry, they emerged from different historical contexts and were used for different purposes.
@@sahulianhooligan7046 informative.
Can you elaborate on how the limpieza de sangre applied to Spanish colonies in the new world ?
☀️ 🇲🇽 🇪🇸 🇺🇸 🦍I beg to differ with Tariq on the part that white supremacy originated in Spain. As Haz mentioned La reconquista was a matter of faith rather than race. One good example that proofs that Spanish expansionism wasn’t rooted in racial supremacy of one people over the other is the reality we see here in Hispano America. Had the Spanish had a mindset of maintaining their “racial purity”, we the mestizo Hispanic people wouldn’t exist, let alone be the vast majority of the population in this part of the world and also the continental mass land with the largest population of catholics in the world.
Just a fair criticism here. I would appreciate if people with anglophone education wouldn’t apply the Anglo lenses to understand the cultures of the rest of the world.
It wasn’t until relatively recently that Spain started being deemed European due to convenience, before that they were regarded as something different. Even nowadays, a Spanish tío has more in common with a Mexican vato or Colombian parce than a German or a British.
Saludos amigos! 👋
You’re a liar and you know that Hispanics in America are very prejudice against dark skin Americans the Latin community are very prejudice against dark skin Latins let me remind you that a ““white Brazilian will look down at a Afro Brazilian until that “”White Brazilian get to America and he’s reminded that he’s S word.
Where did slavery start...who were the last countries to come out of slavery....start with government and telenovelos
@@WETALKINMEDIAHello! If you refer to modern slavery, Portugal and Brazil are not Hispanic. Also, in Brazil it’s more common to see racial segregation than in Hispanic countries in general.
A very important thing to point out is that I’m not denying slavery, nor am I saying that Hispanic people didn’t partake in it. What I’m saying is that the idea of the preservation of “ the white race “ applied to every single culture and history around the world is something that raises a lot of eyebrows.
Not trying to repeat myself here but, don’t you find it contradictory that Spain, a place where supposedly “ white supremacy” originated also happened to be one of the participants in one of the biggest “ race mixing” events probably never seen in modern history before?
I hope you can see where I’m coming from.
Saludos!
@juanbermudez6489 lets be specific...mixing with ur conquerors by force moors etc ...doesn't mean u don't revert to ur old ways..it's easy to see current state look at the government....look at the leaders look at tv...it's white washed ...point taken but the here now is a severely racists culture...
Overall, i think American black nationalists, regardless of their subjective ideals, have a strong & important role to play in the formation of the real American civilization that is currently emerging, for they are positioned to determine a definite composition & existence for the black nation within America.
But this discussion does reveal how a lot of their worldview is premised on baseless racial-reductionism and historical revisionism.
And this can only be rectified through the application of historical materialism and dialectics.
Marxism-Leninism remains the most cohesive and most advanced outlook, and is the only viable path forward.
Agreed. Ironically, they end up taking similar positions to the white supremacists that reduce everything to "race" and genetics, albeit from the other side. I feel like Tariq is right on the verge of a deeper understanding though, especially by the end of the conversation.
Then, you are not a true ally of Black Americans and should never pretend to be. We will not submit to communism, nor to the teachings of that racist, Karl Marx.
Tariq Nasheed VS Jared Taylor was epic... Yeah, Mister Nasheed truly shined in that debate.
Tariq looked hella ignorant in that debate. Call it like it is.
WHAT IS MISSING IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE.. THIS IS WHY THEY GO AFTER ANY BLACK THAT MENTIONS IT.. LIKE KYRIE IRVING.. BLACK PEOPLE FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE ARE HEBREWS.. AMERIKKKA IS BABYLON.. THATS WHY THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN
HEMITE EGYPTIAN PYRAMID ON THERE MONEY.. WHO HELD US IN BONDAGE IN THE ANCIENT WORLD.
Culture trumps all there’s no race
YA. CULTURE OF WHITE SUPREMACY..
Enlightening
It is so sad that such an idealistic approach to the problem of racism and white supremacy is so deeply rooted in consciousness of “people of color”. We (communists) have to educate workers of any descent, so we will be able to create a real unity of working class. Only from the point of view of the class struggle it can be properly understood. Not simplified understanding of class struggle and class society in general, that is very complex, but taken as a core starting point.
"People of color"? Everyone has a color, sir. But, we Black Americans rejected communism and the teachings of the racist Karl Marx for a reason. Yall can have communism. We don't need it and have done fine without it.
Yeah thats what Im hearing. Tariq brings up good points, but the foundation of race being a barrier thats so strong that black folks can't do much, leaves a bit of a nihilistic view. He even says at one point that "nothing has worked so far" when there's so much history of black struggle wins through socialism. Hell, the most prominent black revolutionary figures and organizations were socialists. I just have a strong disagreement with his viewpoint of "things sound good in theory" and his idea that white supremacy trumps the power of communism. It's a very abstracted view of not what divides us, but why; so the solutions never sound like their grounded in any material possibility. I support reparations, full stop, but how can we expect something as pivotal as reparations to come from the capitalist class when they arent even willing to uphold mediocre reforms like Affirmative Action. To me, it just feels like pointing out the issues without having solutions.
Peace and Blessings to the FBA Family ✊🏾✌️🏾✊🏾 #SquadGoals #OnCode
Hopefully you gave Tariq a new perspective on Communism. If he came around and started preaching FBA Communism, that would be so powerful.
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It would be so beneficial if Haz used his intellect to strengthen the cause for reparations for FBA. If he does so when we succeed the full force of FBA culture is a great backing to have.
Cap. It would give segregationist and their younglings a chance to make him a traitorous American. Mayo mayhem and maniacs need fuel ⛽️ to hate and troll. Hard pass! FBA'S need Justice not common law ism's.
@@mobdeepsmith4982 Communism isn't submitting to your cause.
@@defaulttmcwell we stay divided and the country will continue to go down. Doesn’t matter to me
Very good discussion. Tariq is teaching.
RED ARMY IS THE STRONGEST
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Red Ribbon
You lost the war and the country bubba
@@gentlemans.guidance365They won the war for everyone, study history
interesting discussion!
Great discussion
Great respectful conversation 🎉🎉
Great, substantive and defining conversation Haz and Tariq. Highly enlightening regarding historical precedence regarding the origins of race science in Spain with the Reconquista and relation to the Moors. I was hoping the EFF was mentioned, Tariq mentioned that he was an admirer of Malema, uncertain if Haz was aware. Would be interesting if the next conversation revolves around that subject in particular. Tariq had mentioned that there should be a distinctly American version, would be potential deep intersection with the initiatives of Infrared.
NO FUCKING WAYYYY😭😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻
Been waiting a long time for this collab! Great video Haz
Great conversation 🔥👏🏾👏🏾
Very interesting conversation. ❤I like the way Haz was asking questions . Come soon, Haz.
Infrared rising
Enlightening conversation ☀️🦍☀️🦍☀️🦍
I think Tariq's perspective is a bit too pessimistic, but still he raises some good points. Great talk.
"Realism" is not "pessimistic"...it's pragmatic. "Spartans" were Black Supremacists who said that since c800BC.
@ynraider he is a little to eager to put all colorism in the world in the sam western box that started in Spain and ended in nazis.
For example while Han people may have issues with colorism, their government birth policies favored minorities.
While russians might have some of it, their orthodox and muslim civilization won't create a hitler. Malcom X spoke about Islam well for this reason and Paul Robeson of the USSR. Cuba also might have some but it's not the same quality as what emanates from the western "enlightenment".
Basically the western europe racism is the sophisticated kind based on genetic psuedo-science and arose with western Christianity AND capitalism which are both outcomes from "enlightenment "
LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD !!! Tariq Nasheed is The Truth
Thank you
ummm.... based?
Great conversation. I loved it. I appreciate that one. This should be everyones table talk.
Good convo
A massive conversation of great import that all should listen to!
this was awesome conversation productive no trolling to men talking
Good discussion
interesting space, very insightful
Good discussion. level headed thought leaders. Phenomenal!
Maybe the very best discussion I have ever listened to Tariq Nasheed engage in. I've been listening to white people for a long time and I must commend the host for his open, honest, empathic solution-based perspective and conversation.
Well the host is an Arab.
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Excellent conversation
Very based! Great discussion!
How was this based?
@@youngman7600communism is the future
@@Jjjjjjjjjj1101Tariq doesn't seem to think commies will save white people from their inherent genetic trait of being supremacist
“Based”?!?!
@@ludviglidstrom6924 yes
BRILLIANT! EXPLORE EVERY PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE THE US TRANSITIONS UP TO MULTIPLE POLITICAL PARTIES.
AMERICA NEEDS TO PAY THE DEBT IT OWNS FBA. AND MOVE FORWARD.
Two kings of the x spaces genre
Gold content W
Les deseo lo mejor mis hermanos de Infrared 🦍 ☀️
This is the problem with the progressive, they fixated on proving their position instead of listening and learning about the other side of reality that is not part of their focus point. As a result, they tend to dismiss the pain of marginalised groups in their mist
Real cool convo
Didn’t expect this to be good but it is 🎉
ABSOLUTE W
Interesting discussion
BEST ALLIANCE IN THE MAKING
Let's goo ✊🏾
Should have been live streaming this
I’ve been waiting for this conversation for a long time.
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Vive Infrared
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4:12 mr. tariq is very in tune. as a black socialist, i thignk the only way to avoid these realities in the theory v execution is that of socialism or communism to succeed on a largescale it has to be a coercive movement. you cant coax ppl into acceptance, you have to tear it down brick by brick. this is the same thing i tell half of my family back in nigeria (born to nigerian dad/black mom), nothing changes until you eliminate & denigrate the elites so thoroughly, they have no choice but to whimper away.