MILLER'S GIRL Movie Review | Jenna Ortega | Martin Freeman | Bashir Salahuddin
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2024
- Jenna Ortega and Martin Freeman fall into an inappropriate student-teacher relationship -- as well as plenty of Southern gothic clichés -- in "Miller's Girl." The feature debut from writer-director Jade Halley Bartlett is dripping with steamy style but it's also unintentionally hilarious at times. Christy likes this movie a bit better than Alonso, who flat-out hated it, but both agree it ultimately doesn't work. Co-starring Dagmara Dominczyk, Bashir Salahuddin and Gideon Adlon. In theaters now.
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Hollywood’s obsession with teacher-student relationships will never die.
I think the screenplay for this was on The Black List the year that like three other (always male) teacher-(always female) student relationships. With the increasing publicity nowadays of female teachers and male students (and even female teachers/coaches and female students/athletes) at least exploring things from that perspective might bring something new to the genre.
how could it! in so many ways..... we're all still living in high school 🌌👩🏫🏞️📚👩💻🎮
I mean it’s poplar for a reason.. it’s a fun tense wild ride
So insulting to victims of such abuse (speaking from personal experience)
you mean France
I cannot fathom why an adult would write this. It felt like a terrible fanfiction published on Tumblr
So weird how many movies are about student teacher romance
I thought it was ok....but could have been so much more! For starters, it was too short, it badly needed to be fleshed out more!! The acting from the cast is good, but ciaro's response to miller's rejection of her paper and possible relationship seems ott and unbelievable. She's meant to be this super smart girl with wisdom beyond her years yet this moment in the film made her seem like naive and petty. In the original script the big fantasy sequence between them is near the very end of the movie, and that's where it should have been! The audience should have been left waiting to find out what ciaro wrote that was so bad instead of it being told as soon as miller recieves it. It would have made that scene much more impactful if there was build up to it. I liked the ambiguous ending tho. I give it a 6/10
I would've loved a 6 episode mini-series format for this story instead of 97 minutes or whatever. Character 'development' pivots were far too sharp and too quick. The first 60 minutes felt like it was building towards something and the last 30 minutes felt like a frazzled rush to the finish line that was muddied. I enjoyed the ending being ambiguous too.
Maybe I'm biased because I'm a Literature grad and a writer by profession, because this movie hits differently for me. My main takeaway was how invoking a muse can be predatory. The reader (in this case, the viewer) decides who is the villain and the hero. And the power dynamics between Cairo and Jon allude to the literary canon and a writer's attempts to break away from conventions (notice the mention of censorship in the first act and the school regulations). There are scenes that also showed how writers cope with rejection/criticism from literary institutions, the most obvious one of course was when Jon rejected her piece.
Im kinda glad that there is this form of appreciation for the movie. I wont say i was left without words but i can say that it did leave a presence i wanted to discuss. but it seems that everyone was so fast to see it as black and white. i feel like its thinness captured the flakey and taboo themes of desire, infatuation and stereotypes. Their relationship, realistically, wasn’t going anywhere at all, like most teacher student relationships go. I think the media wants such exaggerations and stretches on these things because we are so used to it being dramatic. And while the film did have dramatic elements, i think they stemmed from the fact that we are coming from a teenage girls mind.
My honest opinion on this was i did feel like how everything was laid out seemed to be intended. While there was attraction from both parties, it seemed like Cairo had a plan to make her uninspired and rather bland life have that necessary fulfillment and also have the ability to send in that application. It almost gave me the vibes of Felix and Oliver from Saltburn.
Keep in mind, i am in no way a lit grad or anything like that, im quite literally still in high school but i do think that this movie is worth some flowers and conversation. If none of this makes sense then that’s understandable seeing as its 4 am where im at but yk i thought it was fun to kind of break down my thought process hehe
It's so refreshing to hear two intelligent people discuss the cinema. Great review.
Thanks for watching and for the kind words!
The first half was intriguing in a Cruel Intentions / Lolita sorta way, and I was hoping it would be inventive enough to pay off in the second half.
It was not. But I can't say it was boring, which is the ultimate sin in filmmaking.
So, was it bad? Yes. Was it "worst of 2024?" No.
Christy said “fiddle dee”! Im dead! 😂🤣😂
The looks on your faces in the thumbnail have disappointed parent energy!? Like “Really?! This is it? You know damn better!” 😂
I just got back from seeing this and it really does have some of the worst dialog I've ever heard. 😂
I have come to realize through painful trial and error (Shazam, Midway) that the most important factor in a movie's success is the screenwriter, and the dialog they can supply. when in doubt, check the credentials, check what else they've written beforehand. I'd rather see you that this is their debut feature, than dozens of hacky credits on TV shows you've never heard of
I happened to catch the trailer on youtube as an ad and I immediately thought, "haven't they already done this soooo many times before?" I'm surprised the two lead actors chose such an absurd movie project. Yuk.
if u actually watch the movie it more to it than teacher student relationship
@@stanhandeercel9898 Exactly. For some RUclips "critics", that's their only take away.
I’m not gonna lie… for a messy flawed movie I did enjoy it. I had fun experiencing it in theaters. I love this concept, I wish another movie would come out similar to this one but executed better
I cant take this movie seriously you can never convince me that jenna Ortega is a outsider outcast type of roll shes just to gorgeous
Well she's playing that kind of role in Wednesday too, right?
@@BreakfastAllDayperhaps the institution she has newly joined is comprised entirely of freaks and misfits, and she's the only sane one there 🧐
Don't agree mostly because while the characters are effectively the same but in different fonts, Wednesdsy is a cartoon character and as such she's playing her in a hyper characterized way. Theres no mistake that she is pure fantasy and even though Wednesday is an outcast she doesn't care about social norms making that classification of her have no teeth. It's easy to separate the actor from the character in that case.
She's cute and all but far from Hollywood gorgeous. She's a perfect goth girl. I just don't get why you use a Mexican girl for a southern Gothic romance flick. Actually I totally get it, but don't care for it.
@@guyincognito320 Goofball comment of the year.👍
I think the real problem is that they didn't allow the love relationship to grow between the two main characters, which is the reason why we were so disappointed after the movie ended, because something lacked. The exaggerated literary dimension was unsufferable to watch. As an apprentice author who doesn't smoke, takes her physical and mental health very seriously, and knows that there must stay a line between literary experiences and the everyday life, it deeply pains me to see the spreading of those clichés (we must thank Wattpad and Tiktok for that). For what is greatness if you destroy someone's life with the unique purpose to write a novel about that?
Talent isn't enough. You must read, cultivate yourself, get out of your comfort zone and accept to explore unknown territories if you want to write something that will still be remembered hundred years later (something I've learnt and understood recently while doing research for my current project). So, work, which the producers of this movie didn't understand. Real literature is about travelling and learning, not self-centered people trying to make sense of their insignificant lives.
Christy does a really good Southern Accent!!!
Ha, thanks, eight years in the South.
Her impressions of the girls in her sorority are always great.
It seemed like a book to screen movie that left a lot of what made the book intentional and informative out… if that makes any sense. Like it was rushed and everything was way too implied. But I didn’t think it was absurd or pointless, it wasn’t even bad…it just needed more.
And I don’t know if people missed it or don’t know what to say about it but no one is talking about the ending. It left me wanting more but I thought it was interesting. Like was that her at Yale and he came to see her? As wrong as it is, were they really in love?? It seems like in the end they were.
I read the script online and it said he was at the court building and she came to testify against him...
@@rinaagathakliewer4375 Ah I see, thank you! He didn’t seem angry with her he seemed relieved from his previous life.
@@rinaagathakliewer4375that’s so weird…I mean, I assumed he would have been dismissed from his job since the VP couldn’t quite figure out what had happened…but so did Cairo go to the cops and file a report against him afterwards? She would have had to tell a totally different story than what she had told the VP because she didn’t ever outright claim in the film that he had even kissed her. Not to the VP at least. I guess perhaps she filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against him since she had lied and said that HE wrote and sent that erotic story to HER? So he’s going to court bc he sent an 18 year old student written porn? In an investigation the cops will easily be able to see that she sent that from her own computer…so that will be easily disproven. I don’t see a court siding with her in essentially a “he said she said” situation - especially when it’s proven that she lied about the erotic story.
Right what the heck was with that ending? She turns on her friend out of nowhere and then there’s no payoff there’s no moment where you see Miller has finally written a book or gotten his job back. It’s too ambiguous of an ending.
The dialogue in the trailer seemed like an alien wrote it, similar to Tommy Wiseau or Neil Breen.
Sounds like a cult classic
I'm not...oh H...
I absolutely loved this movie. The writing is witty, the story is intriguing and every single person casted was absolutely perfect.
It's a 'small' movie and doesn't have anything it doesn't need to push the story forward.
It doesn't take itself too seriously but yet the theme is very serious.
I've watched it 2 times in 3 days already and I'm already Hungie for watch #3.
oh dear! Thanks for sparing us.
Ha, we like helping!
I always love when a year starts with one (or both) of my favorite critics very strongly saying a January movie is likely to be in their Worst list at the end of the year.
This is the kind of movie that you hope will be trashy because why not - but seems it's just a higher quality version of a Lifetime movie.
Why are some actors (with options) really bad at picking scripts/projects?!
they find the filming of the script fun
Gen Z Zalman King is a phrase I never ever expected to hear in 2024! Nice pull Alonso! Lmao
my favorite episode of Red Shoe Diaries has gotta be Cowboy, Cowboy - what about you
@@cjwright79 Its been SO long since Ive seen the show? It really truly was of a specific time and place. Lol
I hated this movie triggered all the cells in my brain as a victime of teacher student grooming with the same age gap as the two characters
7:31 My favorite moment in the review . . .
Ok yes its fucked its like watching 2 lovers recite old English literary and then look deep into each other's eyes like omfg if u don't listen to me ill expose our most tragic afffair
They didn't have a sex!
What was Martin Freeman thinking getting involved in tripe like this? I can't say I care much for Jenna Ortega as I don't find her a particularly good actress.
Same! And he was a part of the producing team... I feel so sorry for him
I can't stand movies populated with characters who act like they've never been to the movies.
Dagmara Dominczyk at home and he is thinking of Jenna Ortega. Makes perfect un-sense to me.
I guess this is a comment about this review.
Alonso proclaims that he doesn't like this movie and that it is one of the worst movies of the year. Yet he doesn't provide a single line or scene to examine.
He goes on to praise actors for their other roles.
My comments could be lengthy, but I will focus on one issue.
These two reviewers cackle about the choice of the classroom set in this movie. A former theater. The vastness of space with Cairo Sweet seated directly front and center. The other students were crowded left and right behind her, as if they didn't exist. And to Jonathan Miller, they didn't.
More importantly, the classroom set provided strength to the movie's most powerful scene.
Jonathan walks past Cairo on the way to his desk that is located on a platform in front of the stage. From his lofty position, he tells Cairo that her paper was inappropriate and she will have to select a different author and rewrite the paper.
Cairo steps up on to the platform and pressures Jonathan for answers and truth, he recoils and becomes demeaning calling her a child.
Jonathan steps off the platform and we witness the change in Cairo as she attacks Jonathan personally for his failure as a writer. She is now physically towering over him. She even lifts his chin as she says "You wanna fail me"? "I fucking dare you". And then goes on with veiled threats.
Jonathan walked into the classroom thinking he was in charge, and left that classroom knowing he wasn't.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Yeah...this film is for me.
Ha, enjoy!
Jenna Ortega? Yup it's for me lol
If you want to watch a good movie about a failed author and teacher, watch Paul Giamatti in The Holdovers
Anyone else think Martin Freeman is the spitting image of Bob Mortimer?
Agreed! This movie is terrible, the over the top narration is obnoxious
I know Bashir Salahuddin via the show SOUTHSIDE, and he is a hilarious/very good actor.
He's good here! But the movie itself, not so much.
@@BreakfastAllDay yeah it was awful. I always enjoy seeing him, he was in the show GLOW and A Simple Favor as well.
I watched the movie.
It was very strange to watch.
The movie felt like a play
What the hell I just watched.
Jenna Ortega femme fatale.🤔💔
There is a rug in the classroom !!! 2 rugs…..WHAT CLASSROOM HAS PERSIAN RUGS!!!!! They tried too hard to be deep….but they were only as deep as a puddle. This was just dumb.
Lol these ad transitions
We aim to entertain!
One of the best movies ever !!! A piece of art. I guess lots of people don´t get the art in the dialogues and the psychological and existential depth of it all.
Terrible ending. There’s no conclusion. It just ends abruptly. They could have at least shown the school board meeting and her testifying and him testifying, the friend watching and wanting to say something but not. Or maybe even a longer time break like go 5 years later and Miller has written another book or something. That would have been better.
Does it even worst movie called founders day it's in theaters now
For literature and exploration of real world issues, and the intention of desires of young women. And the emphasis of the movie is it’s a short film about a young woman and and older man whom write short stories. It’s a masterpiece. the lack of climax is that as critics your use of four letter word exceeds the lack luster of American literature and vocabulary. Are we all forgetting not long ago and still are young people sneaking into bars and clubs to drink and dance. Children grow up wanting to be wanted and ambiguously chase the feel to be taken as an adult.
O god one of you is wearing black nail paint, the other dressed as an intellectual with book after book behind him, as criticism and critics go i believe I may have lost brain cells listening to you. Jenna Ortega is a child actor turned adult if you don’t believe that there’s grooming and lecherous glances and looks between members in production and life your mistaken. Are we all forgetting Dan Schneider a fat and grotesque pig, this piece is not so far fetched, it’s originality, well placed inner Monologue translated an conformed contortion of reality into something more true and real. Have you listened to Jenna Ortega? She clearly contradicts social normalcy and she accepted the roll because she identifies with the character and characteristics of the movie.
pride and prejudice
I can't wait to see how awful this really is. Also, the title makes me think of the 80's rock classic..."Jessie's Girl"
I have seen almost everything Martin Freeman is in and it's all been bad since Fargo season 1😐
So the 5.7 out of 10 rating on IMDb is real 🙃 I was hoping this was gonna be a good movie 💔
well it is 110000 times less boring than Flowers of the killer moon
@@stanhandeercel9898It actually reminds me a lot of Killers of the Flower Moon. Where almost every character you're following is a jerk making terrible choices (besides the Native Americans in Killers of the Flower Moon) and the main dude is a go with the flow guy who makes decisions and doesn't own up to them / lies about them.
Watch it for yourself and make your own decision. This is why I hate the modern review formula. Pretentious "movie critics" stand up and tell you what you should or shouldnt like then everyone just goes yup hmmhmm thats what I'm going with and walks off the cliff like every other lemming. No one thinks for themselves anymore. For what it's worth I liked it.
Soooo funny, “the Zalman King of it all”!! I was thinking this trailer reminded me of that old erotic thriller Poison Ivy with Drew Barrymore & Sarah Gilbert & Cheryl Ladd .
When I heard Alonso say his line, I thought, Did Zalman also produce Poison Ivy, because great minds and all?
I thought Joe eszterhas retired from screenwriting
No ones talking about his impotence I thought that was most interesting.
Christy your prose and elocution are really hitting new heights here, I'm thinking giving up the drink may have had a little something to do with that! 😏
Thanks ...?
so...should I watch this or Teacher's Lounge (ha ha...just kidding)
C'mon, Christy, Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North!
It really is. That was an oversight.
I saw her in The Count of Monte Cristo
Feels very Poison Ivy esqe to me.
Oofa, another hard pass. If you haven't seen Martin Freeman's season of Fargo, do so, it is great.
or you can just skip straight to the gold mine, and go for Juno Temple
This wasn't bad... I watched it.
No picture that allows me to look at Jenna Ortega for 90 min is bad …
This one might be!
Absolutely awful. Worst ending I’ve seen in years.
Spoiler, they didn't have a physical relationship, she made that part up!
After watching the film, I already knew that it's not for everyone.
And also not understood by everyone. I watched it twice, and I get it now. It would take a writing assignment to explain it, but I think the bad reviews are way unfair.
The movie was good and shows you what can happen
Was thinking about possibly checking this out. Thanks for the warning. Save my time and money for something else like Godzilla Minus One Minus Color…
Yeah Alonso duralde won't lead you astray
No don't ruin this for me I just wanted to enjoy this😂😂😂😂😂 I knew something was wrong😫😫
Yeah not even the trailer looked good😂 can at least laugh it bad or is it just bad
It's enjoyably bad.
martin freeman was wasted in the movie.
Martin Freeman and especially Jenna Ortega, are doing very solid work here, the movie's beautifully shot, but the editing and the atrociously pretentious and overwritten screenplay (this was on the Black List?) just tanked this thing.
Right. Good cinematography terrible writing. I think if this movie was 30 minutes longer and had a better ending it would have been way better. Imagine if it was them arguing at the end in front of the school board or something. Or maybe instead of them just staring at each other and not saying anything they have a conversation or what if she joins a class in college and he’s her teacher AGAIN. Like I could think of way better ways to end this then her turning on her best friend out of nowhere. That was the part I thought was so messed up.
Fiddly Dee... Ha ha
Terrific!
It seems to me that Jenna Ortega has a single facial expression, regardless of what scene or emotion she’s playing.
would you like to attempt to describe this expression for us, chapter and verse
I’m grossed out by this entire thing
She's 18. Only ethical problem is he's married. If he wasn't married, then they'd just have a good time, and she'd move on to the next guy. Ten years later, she's probably married. There is nothing remarkable about age differences. If two people have nothing in common, it's just about sex. And why not. Have a little fun before you die.
It's pretentious of any reviewer to call something the worst movie of 2024 when 2024 is 29 days old. Be a professional for a second and not a edgelord.
Anyway... For my money I liked it, Maybe it's too heady for the average movie goer/critics. Maybe im just a sucker for these low key "artsy" films. Shrugs. It's an expiremental indie by a first time director covering a thorny subject for which the critical outcome is literally baked into being a love it or hate it formula. In that regard its not a huge surprise then that critics hate it.
People can say what they will about the messaging Bartlett was conveying or even the type of story she's trying to tell. Thats by her own admission open to interpretation. But the actors all did a great job with the material they were given. If anything it higlights their skill by being able elevate an intentionally obtuse script and run with it. To that end Jenna, Martin and the rest of the cast offer great performances throughout the run time. If for any other reason this is worth a watch if you're a fan of the actors if not the material.
It's a sharp movie production wise. It's beautifully shot offering up as a oozy fantasy look and feel. The scenes drift by in a dreamy other worldly way with its soft filters, fantastical often audacious southern gothic set designs, and accompanied by a haunting soundtrack.
I've seen alot of discourse over the ending, again its love it or hate it. While I generally agree that an extra 10-15 minutes of run time would have provided us the ability to sit with the characters in their new realities a bit longer and process events, I still appreciated the open ended ambiguity of the films conclusion no ones hands are clean in this film but who's the hero or villian? Do those archetypes even exist in this narrative. Its up to you to decide. l
Far to often films are tidy perfectly wrapped packages that give the viewer all the answers, often those answers are forgone conclusions. That's fine and dandy for popcorn flicks, but every so often films come along that actually require the audience to consider things and come to their own conclusions. This is no happy story, it's no popcorn flick.
I'd recommend giving it a look. It's a limited release in only 350 theaters so finding a showing near you will be tricky if not impossible. It will undoubtedly end up on VOD and streaming later and theres no reason at all not to give it shot then. You may love it, you may hate it, but I always say don't take my or any other reviewers word for it. Watch it and make up your own mind.
Good take
I'm rather surprised you glossed over an 18 year old being the focus as the source to blame for a grown ass man's actions, including the wife. Men that age, if they are capable of empathy don't do that to 18 year old girls. Come on guys....
Here's the thing. Art is supposed to have one foot in reality and if you're going to be a critic you might want to brush up on the discipline that hinges on human interaction: psychology and neuroscience.
The way I see it is this is an attempt to normalize predatory behavior and place all the blame on externals vs the person committing such revolting disgusting acts. I guess if you're so easily dazzled by the brilliance of people like Robert De Niro, Jerry Seinfeld, Leonardo DiCaprio, Charlie Chaplin...
If you dawn the title of critic and don't call this out, who will?
Jenna Ortega does a lot of crap!
Most of the crap has been good besides this and arguably Finestkind.
This is the best kind of trash you can hope for in January😂😂😂😂💻☎📲📕📗📗📘📙📓📔 2/ 10👎👎😤😤