@@frankm.2850 I wouldn't be surprised if the average textbook is technically full of propaganda and is heavily censored because of how big some corrupt governments are.
It wasn't just 'legalised' and naturally rose to popularity, it was made the new state religion and enforced as such. The romans believed that religious homogeneity was extremely important to the prosperity of the empire (the idea that it didn't matter too much who the people were worshipping, as long as everyone worshipped the same), which is why they were normally so accepting of external pantheons and fond of the tactic of conflating foreign gods with their own, in effect having all their subjects worshipping the same pantheon under a variety of names. Constantine was Christian himself (Scholars are uncertain why exactly) and saw the steady growth of it among the lower classes. Because the tenets of Christianity are antithetical to an accepting stance with polytheistic religions, he though the only way to maintain religious homogeneity would be if everyone was Christian.
@@Digitize27 that is true but also Constantine was not necessarily Christian per say. He never converted until the end of his reign and it was never clear if he was a believer or merely a damn good politician but it was probably both
@@generalsmite7167 Constantine being baptised on his death bed doesn't mean that he converted on his death bed. That was quite normal at the time as people believed baptised washed away your sins. By getting baptised on your death bed, it was a more sure path to salvation
Well, if any impositional religion says only-we're-right, and everyone else is wrong, they're asking for trouble, (romans included - i.e. BOTH ). Perhaps not this MUCH, but that's how it goes. A major problem w christianity is it's SCOPE - i.e. all of humankind, the whole world, the whole universe even. Arrogant. How about humanity still-in desert sands/lands, pre-cars & heavy-labor machinery roads where bedouin / desert/s-peoples might-need-more-order for less conflict, & benefit from not having the "door slammed in their face" "when starving of thirst", reasonably. What are they doing talking-bleeep in jungles?
@@vurrath7716 what were you even getting at? you provided nothing but a rant with no evidence or really any point to go off of except the claim that religious people are arrogant. I swear atheists gotta get their daily "believing in a religion is delusional and anyone who does is arrogant and insane" just so they can feel better about their own beliefs while acting smarter than everyone around them because they don't believe in a higher power. "we definitely have everything correct, no one else could be right about anything, look at science!" like seriously no religious person has ever claimed they know everything for certain, it's just silly. What we do claim is that there is a God, the higher power who created everything as we know it. For you to call Christian's arrogant is one hypocritical ass statement considering you act like you have true knowledge of the Universe's existence and all religious perspectives, as well as how they would've operated, came to be and existed through out history. Like at least realise that not only your perspective has chance of being true, there is millions of things in modern science we think we know that will be disproven in the future. One point I'd also like to add based off of science, if energy and mass cannot be create or destroyed, and all mass will eventually radioactively decay into a single element, that means that at the beginning of the Universe, everything would've been at a single point, in stagnation. Since that's the case, the Universe (and the big bang) could not have occurred without and outside source of energy, and if all the energy to exist was in that stagnated point of mass and energy, then only an outside force with more energy than in the entire Universe could have produced an effect such as the big bang (aka only an omnipotent God could have the capabilities and power required to make the Big Bang occur.) Therefore, for the Universe to exist, for it to have begun existing at all, as anything more than just a single dot of mass, God has to have started it. Someone has to have kicked the ball into motion. (plus the ball would't even be there to be kicked into motion without first being created by God so..)
@@LionsInBoots if you think a man in the sky allows christians to murder and harass people for being gay black or another religion (that is written in your lovely book!) and enslave others, i'm not going to think anything other than you are arrogant and insane prove your god is read other than saying "umm i dont know the answer to the big bang so a man created everything and pulled a woman out of a mans chest ok"
By your standards, but remeber Roman culture and by default laws and ethics. Roman society by the this time was focusing on keeping the empire together, which had often become staggered due to many changes in government. Christianity completly throw society into discord, and not simply because they were monotheistic (Jewish and Zoroastrian citizens existed happily in the empire), but because they rejected the very rule of the emperor and senate. Also, something this is skit doesn’t mention is that many of the records of the killings and persecutions come from Christian sources centuries later. And the Roman, Jewish and many other sources actually mention the early Christians being more violent. So what we may have perceived as simple persecution from reading years of Christianized history, may have actually been a reactionary measure to terroism within the empire.
@@dylantennant6594 Maybe? but that seems a little far fetched, keep in mind the persecutions started at the very start of Christianity's existence, not to mention if it was simply to keep Christians under control that certainly doesn't explain the horrific tortures they implemented for Christians, the romans weren't always the most tolerant people but these things are difficult to track because pretty much every source had an agenda . Keep in mind both Jewish, Roman, and Christian sources would be biased. And it does make sense that the Christians where the ones to write the sources, its very uncommon for the people dealing the persecutions to keep a record of what they where doing.
@@GuyMaleMan A big part of their prosecution was the fact that they refused to acknowledge the divinity of the emperor and kept publicly denouncing him.
@@dylantennant6594 Jews had to be almost exterminated at least once, before they acknowledged Roman dominion. I suspect that delivered the message about not going against the emperor quite well.
This belies the fact that all peoples, not just christians, could suffer this fate. It wasn't specifically against christians, but anyone that broke roman law.
im a christian but i really dont see why people are commenting about their own religion on here really , this video is showing what used to happen to christians nothing else
Yes, the Christians who staged a violent coup in 1637, which attempted to place a Jesuit European governorship over Japan by overthrowing the shogun and the emperor. I’m sure Japan had no reason to persecute Christians.
@@dylantennant6594 The Japanese also saw Christian missionary’s as an arm of European colonization ITSELF seeing its very existence as a threat to its culture.
Romans were really worried about the gods getting upset . They thought it was bad news to not respect all the gods.Their concepts of religion wanted folks to respect all the gods (just in case).They would have been happy to worship the god of Abraham as long he entered the Pantheon besides other gods. They thought Christians were "atheist" for rejecting other gods. They thought it odd that people would die so as not to respect other gods. Roman govs gave christians every chance to sacrafice.
"besides" finally, someone understanding the problem of any/all mono-s. Disagree about every-chance to sacrifice though, too-consistent a statement for something INconsistent. Supressing their open-preaching/worship happened quite a lot - Grand open roman temples, while christians had to do it in private in their own homes, abandoned buildings, etc. nothing VISIBLE, outside. Only over-time, was it eventually tolerated.
Dude, seriously. The Jews were monotheists as well, and the Romans had no problem with them as long as they kept the peace. The romans persecuted the christians, and the jews of the time also joined in (for the jews it was a religious matter). It was their mindset that was feared, because they had no fear or need for anything earthly. (And that is a big problem when you want to tax physical possessions.) Hence why the torture and executions became more and more creative, it became an amusement to try and find the breaking point of the human being. History rarely is straight forward. There are many other reasons of course. But the christians posed no physical threat. The perceived threat of what might happen was the driving force. The skit is nice because it is funny just by stating the obvious facts without trying to justify any side.
@@RVMTube The Romans regarded the Jews as being an ancient people and respected them as such. That respect only went so far (a very short distance, really), but it's why they didn't force them to worship the Roman pantheon. The Romans were happy to just continuously add more gods to their pantheon (they were really fond of the Celtic Epona, goddess of horses) and recognize one god of [insert topic here] as just another name for their own god of that same topic. They thought the idea of one God was wild, but since the Jews had been worshipping Him longer than Rome had been around, they figured "Eh, they've been doing this a lot longer than we have. Maybe they're right. We don't think so. But maybe." The main reason Christianity was so persecuted is because Romans were NOT fans of cults, and, according to the Jewish leaders of the time, that's what Christians were. Since the Jews didn't recognize Christianity, the Romans said no, no more monotheism! And especially no evangelizing! (It's much easier to control people when they're divided, after all-- you can just pit them against one another. That's politics.) They also were not fans of cannibalism, and apparently there was some serious confusion (understandably) for quite some time about what "eating the body and drinking the blood" actually meant.
The way it worked between the Romans and Jews was that the Jews were allowed to have their religion, but they had to make sacrifices on the emperor's behalf as well. Christianity teaches that Christ was the only perfect sacrifice, and God wants only the best available sacrifice. And since Christ's sacrifice covers all sin, past, present, and future in the life of anyone who would accept him. Because of this, sacrificing any animal to God as a Christian would be like offering God a bad sacrifice. This meant that Christians couldn't sacrifice on the Emperor's behalf, because they didn't sacrifice at all, so they were seen as Godless heathens and executed horribly.
Good drills, my Roman buddy! Persecute the Heathen Idolatrous Christian Scum! How dare they defy the will of our Gods and the wishes of our Glorious Ancestors!
What's happening to Christians in Vietnam? There's a huge church near my house that has been there for years and no one has a problem with it, most of Vietnam is atheist/believes in folk religion but 20% are either buddhists or Christians last time i check
More power to them, the Asians saw what happened to Rome after Theodisius the traitor and have learnt from it. Christian immigrants should go back to the Levant and let the world be ruled by traditional Eurasian values that have been tried and tested over the past 4,000 years.
I didn't incinuate anything. I simplynoted the fact that language changesover Time and youcant use a modern English definition fo a word and project it back onto peopel speakign Latin or Greek 2000 years ago. You can look it uyp in an extensive Etymology book or website. Thisis a historical use.
@WeAreTheRiot my comment was an ironic statement towards christian, not other religions because freezie said he/she was christian & this video relates to persecution of christians. i never made a statement about how many people have been killed by christian hands (although doubtless it is many) i gave C. Hitchens with reference to stalin/mao as he is more erudite than I. lips being chopped off O. Friedrich, The End of the world: A history 1982 pages 122-24.
All of the accounts of vast Roman persecution of Christians is showing up to be mostly fabricated by the various churches that wanted some kind of martyr tale; the tales tend to follow a formula, and there are very few non-Christian accounts of Christian persecution. The Romans didn’t really care if someone is not of the Roman religion, just that they paid the duty to the gods (under the principle of Maat was highly important or else the whole of Roman could be subjected to the wrath of a god).
so you say. Yet definitions like 'heathen', without reference to heathER, in it's mis-interpretations and misunderstandings, have their origins in similar patronising over-conclusive / pre-conclusive predjudice against the unfamiliar, or beastial, particularly, in britain. And that's coming from ppl with a penchant for divining the future from entrails-health-'reading' ? Oh yes, very rich,.. to now be trying to deny what is there in plain sight.
and britiain's just ONE example. replacing or supplanting roman gods / relgiion OVER locals, was systematic and encouraged, for both assimilatory-neccessitates, as-well-as attempted identity-crimes. Trying to 'make them forget who they are' , basically - a slave or prisoner-of-war, who has nothing to go back to, gives up hope more easily, etc.
Yep, and yet as historians begin unraveling the true history, it was shown that the Christians were the ones who did far more persecution over a much longer period of time, damn near whipping out all pagans from multiple nations to enforce the Christian God as the only God. This is why I don't celebrate St. Patricks Day except as a means to say us heathens are still alive and kicking.
Your mostly right, though you got one detail wrong. Most Romans didn’t follow Ma’at, unless they were followers of Isis, which even then, most Romans just took Isis and put her in the Roman pantheon with Roman ethics.
Well since they were the first official branch that does make them the main part of christianity at least at the time. I don't really know why you took the time to comment because of 1 word.
@rhyfelwrDuw Actually not true. Please do your homework before you comment. And by "homework" I mean more than what your evangelical non-denominational preacher tells you and no, I'm not Roman Catholic.
Rome is an idea: Roam if you want to, roam around the garden of good and evil and consume and turn into beasts and be fed by the belly of the beast you're in, but sure, deny Christ who offered you a way out. I mean, the old gods, skin someone alive because they lost a bet with you about who was the better musician. You might want to reconsider your belief system. Matthew 6.
What I learned was that Jews were allowed to worship their own God and get out of mandatory festivals providing they paid a tax. The Romans respected them because Judaism was an old religion that had been around for some time. When Christians began to assert themselves as being non-Jewish (they had previously been viewed as a sect of Judaism) Romans began to have a problem with them because of the newness of their religion. Also, some Christians didn't accept Roman family structure.
Jews had to go through some persecution too, and of course suffered under them well before any?/many tried to live in the empire, so it's not as simple-as-that ! Also, it was not the 'newness' , it was moral-weakening, and the incompatibility of any god that claimed too much outside of their own domain/s.
Jews were one of the worst-persecuted, that period you're referring to, one at ONE TIME, one period. Understanding why roman occupation IN the kingdom of David, caused so much resentment, needs to include the religious persecution/colonization. it was not the "newness", of their relgion, it was the incompatibility of Jehovah, OUTSIDE, of his domain. Not that roman gods were meant to neccessarily be all respectful of others' either, don't get me wrong,.. but one that has too-much SCOPE ... all of humanity, etc ... is arrogant, essentially. The same criticism can be said of Roman absurdities about Jupiter having ... whatever ... all-of-humanity-originating-magic-power-balls 😝 ... It is of course unfair to assume that what humans have said and claimed of-a-god's OWN intent, is neccessarily what that god's necccessarily is, in the narrative, or in terms of how you might imagine their impact on-reality. For all all-of-humanity has ever known, perhaps it was never "all humanity" ... and was always "all bedouin peoples", as (at-least) one translation has it. If-so (if the narrative was never all-humanity) , the romans never had a reason to be grumpy on that basis, and we're all assuming too much in our modern , edited-upon-edited, aggrandized-upon-aggrandized OVER self-conceptualisations.
I don't say I support the fact that people are hating on each other because of religion but I don't think calling Atheists, Neo-Pagans, Hindus,etc... "God's children" will be appreciated by them. Because what you said is most likely to be interpreted as: "I'm Christian so I'm right and the rest of you is wrong but I love you anyway!"
But that's the point of every belief. Everyone who has a belief in something whether it be science, biology, historical events, religion etc believes their belief is correct and Everyone else's is wrong otherwise they wouldn't be teaching or encouraging others to believe in what they believe. If people don't believe in Jesus or when God calls His followers children of God then they shouldn't take offence cause to them it should be nothing more than a fantasy like saying "Santa's little helpers". In the end every faith or way of living people believe is the correct and true way. Hindus, Muslims, atheists etc say "what I believe is right and the rest of you are wrong". So people shouldn't be offended if Christians say it, although speaking as a Christian they shouldn't be gloating, but sadly humans make their own free choices and sometimes think of themselves before others.
Easy to say, in modern relatively safe lives. Try saying that to a victim of Christian-oppression during the Inquisition in Spain [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Torture ] , [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls_and_sentenced ]. ANY relgion can have 'terms & conditions' added to it that claim to justify insane BS. It is perhaps asking too-much, of victims of it, to even tolerate christianity, after things like that, even though it's arguably fair to say that not-all christians / christianity is to blame for the inquisitions. 🖐Just ... EMOTIONALLY ... you would also be intolerant ? of those punishing the religious-oppressor ? Perhaps love & light is enough,.. perhaps it's not.
The Romans, unlike immigrant Christians, were tolerant of other religions so long as they didn't force themselves onto the populations. Because of this, the Greek pantheon was incorporated into Roman culture, as was Zoroastrianism, the Egyptian pantheon, and the Jewish god. Christianity would have been too, if the immigrants weren't so invasive about it.
"Romans did all these things to Christians" Only in the Bible. Rome was great at keeping records of everything, and we have tons of surviving documents. But people prefer this one book that was written 400 years later and disagrees with all of the actual contemporary documents.
That's because of what the word Atheist actuallymeans. it does not mean lsck of belefi in gods, it means no God. And techniclaly, how the word was used in Latin in the first 300 yesrs of Christianity Christians were Atheists given thattheyrejected the Roman gods. Its mroe a matter of how language has changed.
@TheJohne83 eh... Christianity is the combination of all religions in its groups such as Catholic, Protestant and many many more....Catholic is just the main branch of Christianity.
@rhyfelwrDuw The three largest groups in the world of Christianity are the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, and the various denominations of Protestantism. Here an explanation of Christianity read up before making stupid statements.
@GoDLiKeKakashi well, if you read the Bible you would see how Christ saw real CHRISTians - they are those who bear His name, who follow Him, obey His commands etc! Ye shall know them by their fruits - and as idol worship is forbidden, RCs have a lot to think about considering their churches are covered in them AND there is only 1 medicator between God and man and that isn't the pope! Read ya Bible...
hmm ... despite the fact that there wasn't even a NAME for christians back then, while ppl were arguing over Jehovah/whatever - somehow "he saw" someone, with-a-label by the name, did he? The grammar's fiddly, but pls try to be more specific / limited.
how is your point about if-we ... whoever 'we' are ... relevent anyway? this video is a bit of wordplay-fun, nothing more, let-alone anything about RCs. Rs, not RCs.
@aleshondra1985 hardly true many simply interpret it differently than you would so saying that they are not "true" christians is kinda wrong as they would say the same to you.
Flinging a christian up in the air in a city seems really dangerous, what if it lands on a roman
It's an act of God. Divine Retribution.
@@viix3815 *WE CAN'T EXPECT GOD TO DO ALL THE WORK*
If it does, I guess he won't be ROMAN ROMAN ROMAN.
That means he was cursed by the gods
Good point
Just the humor value makes this show worth it.
*Me thinking I’m the only one that still watches this show*
Fun Fact: Horrible Histories is more historically accurate than your average classroom textbook.
They did get a few things wrong though, but it was my quilty pleasure to watch when my son used to watch it lol
Especially if you're in the American South. They don't seem to like facts much down there.
@@frankm.2850 I wouldn't be surprised if the average textbook is technically full of propaganda and is heavily censored because of how big some corrupt governments are.
Stop arguing and enjoy Horrible Histories.
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I'd love to see Matt Hancock go on this show.
Aw! When Jim says "Let's find out who's first up," Larry hugs Mat!
That's not Larry but it's still cute
*lawry
love how he tries to do ant and dec's accents hehe :)
I'm a geordie, I think he did a decent job :)
The funny thing is that when Constantine legalized Christianity it quickly became the most popular religion
It wasn't just 'legalised' and naturally rose to popularity, it was made the new state religion and enforced as such. The romans believed that religious homogeneity was extremely important to the prosperity of the empire (the idea that it didn't matter too much who the people were worshipping, as long as everyone worshipped the same), which is why they were normally so accepting of external pantheons and fond of the tactic of conflating foreign gods with their own, in effect having all their subjects worshipping the same pantheon under a variety of names.
Constantine was Christian himself (Scholars are uncertain why exactly) and saw the steady growth of it among the lower classes. Because the tenets of Christianity are antithetical to an accepting stance with polytheistic religions, he though the only way to maintain religious homogeneity would be if everyone was Christian.
@@Digitize27 that is true but also Constantine was not necessarily Christian per say. He never converted until the end of his reign and it was never clear if he was a believer or merely a damn good politician but it was probably both
@@generalsmite7167 Constantine being baptised on his death bed doesn't mean that he converted on his death bed. That was quite normal at the time as people believed baptised washed away your sins. By getting baptised on your death bed, it was a more sure path to salvation
Which makes me wonder, if this historical event never happened, and Christianity didn't rise to to be so popular, how would have history change?
@@Digitize27 Nah you're mistaken, Theodosius is the guy who made Christianity the state religion, Constantinue just legalized it.
After watching this, I'm starting to think that St Sebastian got off easy!
Yeah, getting shot full of arrows seems tame compared to being thrown over a wall by a catapult!
Horrible histories is absolutely and utterly legendary gold class
Lmao this is like a Mitchell and Webb skit and it's awesome.
Didn't realise he had a beard until the last second of the video
So sad that this all really happened..
They also forgot to mention about burning them 😢
Well, if any impositional religion says only-we're-right, and everyone else is wrong, they're asking for trouble, (romans included - i.e. BOTH ). Perhaps not this MUCH, but that's how it goes. A major problem w christianity is it's SCOPE - i.e. all of humankind, the whole world, the whole universe even. Arrogant. How about humanity still-in desert sands/lands, pre-cars & heavy-labor machinery roads where bedouin / desert/s-peoples might-need-more-order for less conflict, & benefit from not having the "door slammed in their face" "when starving of thirst", reasonably. What are they doing talking-bleeep in jungles?
Christianity is only “arrogant” if it’s not true
@@vurrath7716 what were you even getting at? you provided nothing but a rant with no evidence or really any point to go off of except the claim that religious people are arrogant. I swear atheists gotta get their daily "believing in a religion is delusional and anyone who does is arrogant and insane" just so they can feel better about their own beliefs while acting smarter than everyone around them because they don't believe in a higher power. "we definitely have everything correct, no one else could be right about anything, look at science!" like seriously no religious person has ever claimed they know everything for certain, it's just silly. What we do claim is that there is a God, the higher power who created everything as we know it. For you to call Christian's arrogant is one hypocritical ass statement considering you act like you have true knowledge of the Universe's existence and all religious perspectives, as well as how they would've operated, came to be and existed through out history. Like at least realise that not only your perspective has chance of being true, there is millions of things in modern science we think we know that will be disproven in the future.
One point I'd also like to add based off of science, if energy and mass cannot be create or destroyed, and all mass will eventually radioactively decay into a single element, that means that at the beginning of the Universe, everything would've been at a single point, in stagnation. Since that's the case, the Universe (and the big bang) could not have occurred without and outside source of energy, and if all the energy to exist was in that stagnated point of mass and energy, then only an outside force with more energy than in the entire Universe could have produced an effect such as the big bang (aka only an omnipotent God could have the capabilities and power required to make the Big Bang occur.) Therefore, for the Universe to exist, for it to have begun existing at all, as anything more than just a single dot of mass, God has to have started it. Someone has to have kicked the ball into motion. (plus the ball would't even be there to be kicked into motion without first being created by God so..)
@@LionsInBoots if you think a man in the sky allows christians to murder and harass people for being gay black or another religion (that is written in your lovely book!) and enslave others, i'm not going to think anything other than you are arrogant and insane
prove your god is read other than saying "umm i dont know the answer to the big bang so a man created everything and pulled a woman out of a mans chest ok"
And modern christians complain about being persecuted when someone brings up the whole "separation of church and state" thing...
Or gay marriage.
This is the one thing my school sent me for schoolwork that was actually semi entertaining... but roman law is still wrong
By your standards, but remeber Roman culture and by default laws and ethics. Roman society by the this time was focusing on keeping the empire together, which had often become staggered due to many changes in government. Christianity completly throw society into discord, and not simply because they were monotheistic (Jewish and Zoroastrian citizens existed happily in the empire), but because they rejected the very rule of the emperor and senate.
Also, something this is skit doesn’t mention is that many of the records of the killings and persecutions come from Christian sources centuries later. And the Roman, Jewish and many other sources actually mention the early Christians being more violent. So what we may have perceived as simple persecution from reading years of Christianized history, may have actually been a reactionary measure to terroism within the empire.
Later Roman law gave us the groundwork for modern legal systems through Justinian's Juris Civilius
@@dylantennant6594 Maybe? but that seems a little far fetched, keep in mind the persecutions started at the very start of Christianity's existence, not to mention if it was simply to keep Christians under control that certainly doesn't explain the horrific tortures they implemented for Christians, the romans weren't always the most tolerant people but these things are difficult to track because pretty much every source had an agenda . Keep in mind both Jewish, Roman, and Christian sources would be biased. And it does make sense that the Christians where the ones to write the sources, its very uncommon for the people dealing the persecutions to keep a record of what they where doing.
@@GuyMaleMan A big part of their prosecution was the fact that they refused to acknowledge the divinity of the emperor and kept publicly denouncing him.
@@dylantennant6594 Jews had to be almost exterminated at least once, before they acknowledged Roman dominion. I suspect that delivered the message about not going against the emperor quite well.
This belies the fact that all peoples, not just christians, could suffer this fate. It wasn't specifically against christians, but anyone that broke roman law.
As an adult, i feel a bit bad about actually enjoying Horrible Histories.
Also love Ghosts, made by them too.
1:42 look at Mat... =(
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im a christian but i really dont see why people are commenting about their own religion on here really , this video is showing what used to happen to christians nothing else
Honestly I can see this being a thing. It might flop, but I could see people cracking up about it
They should do something about Christian persecution in Japan and call it
AnD yOu ThOuGhT tHe RoMaNs WeRe BaD!!!
Yes, the Christians who staged a violent coup in 1637, which attempted to place a Jesuit European governorship over Japan by overthrowing the shogun and the emperor. I’m sure Japan had no reason to persecute Christians.
@@dylantennant6594 The Japanese also saw Christian missionary’s as an arm of European colonization ITSELF seeing its very existence as a threat to its culture.
Romans were really worried about the gods getting upset . They thought it was bad news to not respect all the gods.Their concepts of religion wanted folks to respect all the gods (just in case).They would have been happy to worship the god of Abraham as long he entered the Pantheon besides other gods. They thought Christians were "atheist" for rejecting other gods. They thought it odd that people would die so as not to respect other gods. Roman govs gave christians every chance to sacrafice.
"besides" finally, someone understanding the problem of any/all mono-s. Disagree about every-chance to sacrifice though, too-consistent a statement for something INconsistent. Supressing their open-preaching/worship happened quite a lot - Grand open roman temples, while christians had to do it in private in their own homes, abandoned buildings, etc. nothing VISIBLE, outside. Only over-time, was it eventually tolerated.
Oh how good and merciful of the Romans, they wouldn't have persecuted us if we just gave up all we believed in 😁
Dude, seriously. The Jews were monotheists as well, and the Romans had no problem with them as long as they kept the peace. The romans persecuted the christians, and the jews of the time also joined in (for the jews it was a religious matter). It was their mindset that was feared, because they had no fear or need for anything earthly. (And that is a big problem when you want to tax physical possessions.) Hence why the torture and executions became more and more creative, it became an amusement to try and find the breaking point of the human being. History rarely is straight forward. There are many other reasons of course. But the christians posed no physical threat. The perceived threat of what might happen was the driving force.
The skit is nice because it is funny just by stating the obvious facts without trying to justify any side.
@@RVMTube The Romans regarded the Jews as being an ancient people and respected them as such. That respect only went so far (a very short distance, really), but it's why they didn't force them to worship the Roman pantheon. The Romans were happy to just continuously add more gods to their pantheon (they were really fond of the Celtic Epona, goddess of horses) and recognize one god of [insert topic here] as just another name for their own god of that same topic. They thought the idea of one God was wild, but since the Jews had been worshipping Him longer than Rome had been around, they figured "Eh, they've been doing this a lot longer than we have. Maybe they're right. We don't think so. But maybe." The main reason Christianity was so persecuted is because Romans were NOT fans of cults, and, according to the Jewish leaders of the time, that's what Christians were. Since the Jews didn't recognize Christianity, the Romans said no, no more monotheism! And especially no evangelizing! (It's much easier to control people when they're divided, after all-- you can just pit them against one another. That's politics.) They also were not fans of cannibalism, and apparently there was some serious confusion (understandably) for quite some time about what "eating the body and drinking the blood" actually meant.
The way it worked between the Romans and Jews was that the Jews were allowed to have their religion, but they had to make sacrifices on the emperor's behalf as well.
Christianity teaches that Christ was the only perfect sacrifice, and God wants only the best available sacrifice. And since Christ's sacrifice covers all sin, past, present, and future in the life of anyone who would accept him. Because of this, sacrificing any animal to God as a Christian would be like offering God a bad sacrifice.
This meant that Christians couldn't sacrifice on the Emperor's behalf, because they didn't sacrifice at all, so they were seen as Godless heathens and executed horribly.
All of this just for the next Emperor to make Christianity official
"Bit late for that one, Blandina"
What's more is that the real Blandina did not live in Tyre and she was thrown into a pit of lions.
The Golden Age of TV
Martha is great here
I'm a person who doesn't want to see a religion war in the comments section...GET ME OUT OF HERE!
seriously, what UK accent is Jim doing here???! 😂 It seems Welsh, or somewhere in the Midlands (enlighten this American/Canadian!)
It is a Newcastle/North East accent. Like Ant and Dec!
Okay, thanks so much and I will check those Ant and Dec guys out to get this accent better adhered to my brain, lol!
sounded like his regular voice to me
As a Christian I can verify that life was this terrifying
No army of ANY country ever marched into war without they boasted 'God Is On Our Side'
He cant be on BOTH sides.
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Unless he’s a sadistic child with his toy soldiers
I ❤ HORRIBLE HISTORIESSS
Good drills, my Roman buddy! Persecute the Heathen Idolatrous Christian Scum! How dare they defy the will of our Gods and the wishes of our Glorious Ancestors!
Thank you for posting this I've never seen this one before?
Is it from series 3?
At least Larry's nice
God... I loved this show when I was growing up.
Gods*
Rome: "They had me at the first half not gonna lie"
Nice acting from Martha.
I'm fairly certain he was being sarcastic.
The Romans hated Christians; anyone ever hear about what they did to Saint Sebastian? And Saint Catherine?
It's sad but true look what's going on over in Vietnam, North Korea, some African Nations, Middle Eastern nations, and especially China.
China? try looking up the league of militant atheists ! Now THERE's taking religion seriously!
What's happening to Christians in Vietnam? There's a huge church near my house that has been there for years and no one has a problem with it, most of Vietnam is atheist/believes in folk religion but 20% are either buddhists or Christians last time i check
More power to them, the Asians saw what happened to Rome after Theodisius the traitor and have learnt from it. Christian immigrants should go back to the Levant and let the world be ruled by traditional Eurasian values that have been tried and tested over the past 4,000 years.
Where's Roman Dec?
I didn't incinuate anything. I simplynoted the fact that language changesover Time and youcant use a modern English definition fo a word and project it back onto peopel speakign Latin or Greek 2000 years ago.
You can look it uyp in an extensive Etymology book or website. Thisis a historical use.
so whens the next episode beigin?
Me and My Sister Love Horrible history
I declare you a Saint. You're the protector of the PO-TA-TOES now.
@rangergxi I absolutely LOVE sarcasm. :P
Why does the Roman guy have a Scottish accent?
Aww, so he does! Sweet C:
I'm a Christian. *DON'T EVEN BOTHER TRYING* to get me out of here.
@GoDLiKeKakashi well, actually, Protestantism and Catholicism are equal as the biggest branches of Christianity...
@GoDLiKeKakashi hmmmm well, in US, its more protestant and catholic balance... but I don't know how it is everywhere else in the world.
11 years ago
@WeAreTheRiot my comment was an ironic statement towards christian, not other religions because freezie said he/she was christian & this video relates to persecution of christians. i never made a statement about how many people have been killed by christian hands (although doubtless it is many) i gave C. Hitchens with reference to stalin/mao as he is more erudite than I. lips being chopped off O. Friedrich, The End of the world: A history 1982 pages 122-24.
God bless our Holy Martyrs and Saints.
I'm a Christian
Well... That was dark.
too many christians, not enough lions.
A roman... With a northern accent. 😅😅
@GoDLiKeKakashi Going to church makes you a Christian as much as going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger...
Pk the spikes were horrific.
The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church.
Used to be.
Now the Church use its seed on choir boys.
All of the accounts of vast Roman persecution of Christians is showing up to be mostly fabricated by the various churches that wanted some kind of martyr tale; the tales tend to follow a formula, and there are very few non-Christian accounts of Christian persecution. The Romans didn’t really care if someone is not of the Roman religion, just that they paid the duty to the gods (under the principle of Maat was highly important or else the whole of Roman could be subjected to the wrath of a god).
so you say. Yet definitions like 'heathen', without reference to heathER, in it's mis-interpretations and misunderstandings, have their origins in similar patronising over-conclusive / pre-conclusive predjudice against the unfamiliar, or beastial, particularly, in britain. And that's coming from ppl with a penchant for divining the future from entrails-health-'reading' ? Oh yes, very rich,.. to now be trying to deny what is there in plain sight.
and britiain's just ONE example. replacing or supplanting roman gods / relgiion OVER locals, was systematic and encouraged, for both assimilatory-neccessitates, as-well-as attempted identity-crimes. Trying to 'make them forget who they are' , basically - a slave or prisoner-of-war, who has nothing to go back to, gives up hope more easily, etc.
Yep, and yet as historians begin unraveling the true history, it was shown that the Christians were the ones who did far more persecution over a much longer period of time, damn near whipping out all pagans from multiple nations to enforce the Christian God as the only God. This is why I don't celebrate St. Patricks Day except as a means to say us heathens are still alive and kicking.
Your mostly right, though you got one detail wrong. Most Romans didn’t follow Ma’at, unless they were followers of Isis, which even then, most Romans just took Isis and put her in the Roman pantheon with Roman ethics.
Well since they were the first official branch that does make them the main part of christianity at least at the time. I don't really know why you took the time to comment because of 1 word.
@rhyfelwrDuw Actually not true. Please do your homework before you comment. And by "homework" I mean more than what your evangelical non-denominational preacher tells you and no, I'm not Roman Catholic.
what's not true?.. whether or not things like this were ever done to Christians? Lie-in-hope, christian.
oh those Romans and their silly antics :P
Rome is an idea: Roam if you want to, roam around the garden of good and evil and consume and turn into beasts and be fed by the belly of the beast you're in, but sure, deny Christ who offered you a way out. I mean, the old gods, skin someone alive because they lost a bet with you about who was the better musician. You might want to reconsider your belief system. Matthew 6.
regardless, sometimes i'm ashamed to human.
I am a celebrity get me out of here
If they think that was bad, do they even know what they did to St Sebastian?
who's they?
What I learned was that Jews were allowed to worship their own God and get out of mandatory festivals providing they paid a tax. The Romans respected them because Judaism was an old religion that had been around for some time. When Christians began to assert themselves as being non-Jewish (they had previously been viewed as a sect of Judaism) Romans began to have a problem with them because of the newness of their religion. Also, some Christians didn't accept Roman family structure.
Jews had to go through some persecution too, and of course suffered under them well before any?/many tried to live in the empire, so it's not as simple-as-that ! Also, it was not the 'newness' , it was moral-weakening, and the incompatibility of any god that claimed too much outside of their own domain/s.
Jews were one of the worst-persecuted, that period you're referring to, one at ONE TIME, one period. Understanding why roman occupation IN the kingdom of David, caused so much resentment, needs to include the religious persecution/colonization. it was not the "newness", of their relgion, it was the incompatibility of Jehovah, OUTSIDE, of his domain. Not that roman gods were meant to neccessarily be all respectful of others' either, don't get me wrong,.. but one that has too-much SCOPE ... all of humanity, etc ... is arrogant, essentially. The same criticism can be said of Roman absurdities about Jupiter having ... whatever ... all-of-humanity-originating-magic-power-balls 😝 ... It is of course unfair to assume that what humans have said and claimed of-a-god's OWN intent, is neccessarily what that god's necccessarily is, in the narrative, or in terms of how you might imagine their impact on-reality. For all all-of-humanity has ever known, perhaps it was never "all humanity" ... and was always "all bedouin peoples", as (at-least) one translation has it. If-so (if the narrative was never all-humanity) , the romans never had a reason to be grumpy on that basis, and we're all assuming too much in our modern , edited-upon-edited, aggrandized-upon-aggrandized OVER self-conceptualisations.
2021 entertainment
I live in the Roman Empire and I’m wondering is loving Jesus legal yet?
Lol they would think its a Christian ironically in that time Christians were called atheists by the romans
I don't say I support the fact that people are hating on each other because of religion but I don't think calling Atheists, Neo-Pagans, Hindus,etc... "God's children" will be appreciated by them. Because what you said is most likely to be interpreted as: "I'm Christian so I'm right and the rest of you is wrong but I love you anyway!"
Ironically that's what made the Roman's hate the christians so much.
But that's the point of every belief. Everyone who has a belief in something whether it be science, biology, historical events, religion etc believes their belief is correct and Everyone else's is wrong otherwise they wouldn't be teaching or encouraging others to believe in what they believe. If people don't believe in Jesus or when God calls His followers children of God then they shouldn't take offence cause to them it should be nothing more than a fantasy like saying "Santa's little helpers". In the end every faith or way of living people believe is the correct and true way. Hindus, Muslims, atheists etc say "what I believe is right and the rest of you are wrong". So people shouldn't be offended if Christians say it, although speaking as a Christian they shouldn't be gloating, but sadly humans make their own free choices and sometimes think of themselves before others.
Man. This is my dream job. Do I get my own toga?
All hail the Ares :P
i love this video it’s my fav
I love Horrible Histories #horriblehistories #sixidiots
I said it was KJV , the KJV wasn't around until 1611
Looks like I’m 9 years late
When was this 2011
Dam I'm way too late, 11 YEARS AGO?!?
London 2023
I'm not christian, in fact I'm pagan, but I agree with everything you said. Love and light.
Easy to say, in modern relatively safe lives. Try saying that to a victim of Christian-oppression during the Inquisition in Spain [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Torture ] , [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls_and_sentenced ]. ANY relgion can have 'terms & conditions' added to it that claim to justify insane BS. It is perhaps asking too-much, of victims of it, to even tolerate christianity, after things like that, even though it's arguably fair to say that not-all christians / christianity is to blame for the inquisitions. 🖐Just ... EMOTIONALLY ... you would also be intolerant ? of those punishing the religious-oppressor ? Perhaps love & light is enough,.. perhaps it's not.
What kind of pagan, if I may ask.
Ares was a greek god...
The Romans, unlike immigrant Christians, were tolerant of other religions so long as they didn't force themselves onto the populations. Because of this, the Greek pantheon was incorporated into Roman culture, as was Zoroastrianism, the Egyptian pantheon, and the Jewish god. Christianity would have been too, if the immigrants weren't so invasive about it.
imma christian but i would never renounce my faith!! like if you feel the same way!!!
"Romans did all these things to Christians" Only in the Bible. Rome was great at keeping records of everything, and we have tons of surviving documents. But people prefer this one book that was written 400 years later and disagrees with all of the actual contemporary documents.
@freezie411 Not like they formed the basis for western society and conquered tons of land gloriously.
"the" basis ... for "the". Don't take too many gambles-on-plurals, you might bust a vein. 🙂
At least they didn't have to make cakes for gay weddings
Oh wow you're so oppressed
That's because of what the word Atheist actuallymeans. it does not mean lsck of belefi in gods, it means no God. And techniclaly, how the word was used in Latin in the first 300 yesrs of Christianity Christians were Atheists given thattheyrejected the Roman gods. Its mroe a matter of how language has changed.
@TheJohne83 eh... Christianity is the combination of all religions in its groups such as Catholic, Protestant and many many more....Catholic is just the main branch of Christianity.
the main numbers-fudging one. Most don't commit to one sect or another, when they're grilled for an answer.
Man's forgetting about the orthodox, one of the most successful branches of Christianity.
you know, that doesn't make them any better...
I am using it correctly.
they should've tried harder, we could've avoided a lot of messes
@rhyfelwrDuw The three largest groups in the world of Christianity are the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, and the various denominations of Protestantism. Here an explanation of Christianity read up before making stupid statements.
@GoDLiKeKakashi well, if you read the Bible you would see how Christ saw real CHRISTians - they are those who bear His name, who follow Him, obey His commands etc! Ye shall know them by their fruits - and as idol worship is forbidden, RCs have a lot to think about considering their churches are covered in them AND there is only 1 medicator between God and man and that isn't the pope! Read ya Bible...
hmm ... despite the fact that there wasn't even a NAME for christians back then, while ppl were arguing over Jehovah/whatever - somehow "he saw" someone, with-a-label by the name, did he? The grammar's fiddly, but pls try to be more specific / limited.
how is your point about if-we ... whoever 'we' are ... relevent anyway? this video is a bit of wordplay-fun, nothing more, let-alone anything about RCs. Rs, not RCs.
@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH huh I would of thought that because of South America Catholic is bigger
This is why Muhammad invented taqiyya and kitman.
Why is not happening now?
@aleshondra1985 hardly true many simply interpret it differently than you would so saying that they are not "true" christians is kinda wrong as they would say the same to you.
After Home-School propaganda
Needs more gory stuff
they should've gone a bit harsher imho. Not a good one in that christian lot