The Lore Dump Radio ( with the Vector Industries logo ) talking about Dmitri Yuriev from Xenosaga, Project Exodus from Xenoblade Chronicles X, and more. Thoughts?
All I know is, if this leads to the long-awaited continuation of Xenosaga's story, it's going to be amazing regardless of the many flaws that the previous games had.
@@warriorofdawn876 if they want to sell episode 4 then they would need to catch people up with the first 3 episodes in a remake/remaster first otherwise sales are gonna tank a lot since they can't play dumb and said it's not connected like how they did with xc2 marketing campaigns
It would be nice to find out what happened after the events of X especially since it was left on a cliffhanger when they found out that the Lifehold was already destroyed. As for Xenosaga didn't they all split up to look for Lost Jerusalem at the end of episode 3?
What I find great about this scene is that Na'el is talking big about this beautiful world with no problems or struggles, yet the radio is talking about nothing but problems. There are human rights abuses, rebellions, and people trying to escape the planet rather than live on it. Even the people who live there don't want to live there like Na'el deceives herself into thinking.
What made me dislike Na'el wasn't her sadness about the state of the world or even her complacent attitude towards the fight against moebius, it was her naivety and lack of empathy towards the new city inhabitants. She tells matthew that he's living in fantasy land when in reality she's living in an actual fantasy land lol. She doesn't understand that the people enslaved by the flame clock have only learned how to fight and nothing else, their reality is tailor made towards moebius interests and it bothers me so much that she gets angry when those people have been liberated and tried to make a change for the better. Add this scene where she thinks that there is a pretty solution to all the worlds problems when in fact her perception is warped to only include the beautiful and not the ugly.
If Xenoblade X is canon, as the radio broadcast about project exodus implies, then you can also add the literal destruction of Earth in the war between the Samaar Federation and the Ghosts.
Honestly I think it's just kinda... creepy. You can tell that the characters CLEARLY do not belong here. And their animesque artstyle also clashes with the world around them. Its honestly really disturbing to me, personally.
What I found most interesting about this scene is that Na'el is gushing about a utopia while the radio matter-of-factly detailing brewing wars, human rights debates, and a mass exodus to escape this "utopia" in the background. The background is stating that everything she believes is wrong even as she as she's stating it.
It truly is the pinnacle of "looks can be deceiving" like it looks like the peak of the American dream, big house, nice neighbourhood, perfect weather but then you listen to the radio and you realise its the Cuban missile crisis and negotiations are going poorly
Na'el: In this world, people can live as they please! Radio: In other news, entire groups of people have just been denied their human rights! And now, back to the weather.
For the sake of it, I'm just gonna assume the radio was actually in a language she didn't understand, like, the Radio is in english but she's speaking "Aionese".
@Justic she's also under alphas sway so what she sees and hears from the "gift" alpha was giving may not be what are being said. But reinforcement. Like the children were
He certainly is fascinated by “obscure” esoteric knowledge. I have a feeling we will see the higher power referenced by Klaus in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. After all we never got to see the Xenoblade counterpart of the wave existence. He’s probably saving the big reveal for the next game and I can’t wait to see it.
@@Cyriusization thing is and as other Xenotubers have pointed out the retcons needed to make Saga and the Kluas trilogy play nice are pretty minor compaired to what would be need to make X fit in with the rest of blade with one major sticking point the opening cut scene of X vs Klauses experiment
@Migos Vector was a super-corporaton from the Xenosaga trilogy on PS2 which was in large part a weapons manufacturer. The main character Shion Uzuki was head of development of the battle android KOS-MOS, who made a cameo as a Blade in Xenoblade 2. Even though the main story of Xenosaga took place thousands of years into the future, Vector has been around since the 21st century. The Vector logo implies that Xenoblade and Saga share the same continuity.
@paul It definitely could. My interpretation is that the Xenoblade trilogy takes place on the same Lost Jerusalem that was sealed away in Xenosaga. In other words, Xenoblade is in a pocket of space parallel to the events of Xenosaga, like how XC1 and XC2 took place at the same time. I think this would be the cleanest way of tying the Lore together
@Migos Unfortunately, if Saga doee turn out to be canon to Blade that means X cannot be as a major plot point of Saga is that alien life dose not exist. So X and Sage lore cancels each other out.
Suddenly Klaus being so eager to do that experiment seems a little more reasonable given what would happen if who we now know led the Saviorites got his hands on the Conduit. (Also the fact that we now know for a fact that the Saviorites were just a legally distinct name change (but still the same group) from the Salvators from Xenosaga.)
@@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 I don't think that's entirely fair. A lot of the localisation for Xenoblade was evidently done by us Brits. You know what games us Brits didn't get? Xenosaga Episode I and III. For some reason, only II came out in my part of the world, and it didn't exactly set the country on fire. It's a shame the reference was missed, but I don't think you can wholly blame them when our region was missing so much of the story. If the reference was that important to keep, I think someone on the writing staff should've found some way to ensure the localisation staff would get the memo.
@@PureAwesamness yea Xenosaga is beloved now. It wouldn't sell gut busters ut I think Nintendo may try to buy the franchise. The jap ds ports/remake/demakes are worse.
Some of the houses here look identical to the ones in New Los Angeles in Xenoblade Chronicles X. Same front and back facing designs like the front doors, windows, fireplace and tiny garage.
@@darkmage102 It's also possible it's in reverse, that Monolith are remaking X, and are using the assets here since there'd be similar assets anyway. Yes, I am very high on copium.
Conclution, everything is canon, existential crisis are not over. Shulk, Rex, Noah and Matthew have been basically perfect works chapter 4 to 6. Now we get the never written chapter 7 finally something completely new, in the future
I dont think we're getting it in the form of Xenoblade 4, rather as X2. The post credit scene does confirm that after Aionios splits, the people manage to unite it into a sole planet again. And the thing landing on the planet is heavily implied to be the White Whale from X. I think the next game we're getting is either a port of X with a Future Connected-type side story or Xenoblade X2.
@@casuallycloaked think they'll make X Canon for sure, I'm not sure about X2 though, I think they'll confirm the white whale coming for the united planet and then xenoblade 4 will happen, Takahashi said that the mainline series is for story, while X was an experimentation, more focused on exploration and the world rather than story So I think we'll get our prophecised X remake tying the white whale coming for the united worlds as a post credits scene of a possible bonus story and that'll lead into xenoblade 4
For those who don’t know: In 2 KOS-MOS knows everything about how the World Tree was built but doesn’t understand why she has this information. Likewise the Protags meeting is also canon, and Elma is the one who thinks there’s more to them all meeting. Like it’s more than just Nopons wanting fanservice. Shulk event repeats Alvis line after she says that about all life walking hand in hand.
Yeah I always said how there was zero reason for at least Rex and Shulk meeting to not be canon, considering how Xenoblade 1 and 2 worlds could speak before 2, and how Rex and Shulk were quick friends, that is definitively canon.
@@anonymoushuman8443 You would be surprised those people are still around and call this radio lore just non canon fanservice too, it's absurd. I called everything canon from the get go and am just laughing at those we never believed.
Not gonna lie this was unironically made me scared, just seeing the xenoblade world just turned into human one was kinda terrifying, I don’t know something just didn’t felt right about it, specially since they just let you roam around in there for few minutes
I'm going to be honest, if was living in a fantasy world and I got transported into an American neighbourhood I would be flipping out. Everything would seem so weird, the biggest beast is the size of a husky, houses neatly ordered in rows, I think the Internet itself would be the weirdest thing ever
it's due to the lack of people in it and no sound save for one musical piece i nthe far distance (or the exposition radio) it's similar to when rex and co finally get to elysium at the end of 2, except somehow mroe haunting, atleast with elysium you can see that somethign went wrogn adn everythign went to shit, here you're not so sure, it's like everyone got raptured
@@HoldenDude123 I got a friend who rips the map meshes for the games, if monolith soft is anything like they were with 2 there’s prolly some weird funky shit hidden in the area
I found it to be a poetic contrast how Na 'el looking after the kids in the backyard of presumably Klaus' house in a suburban residential neighborhood, all the while being completely oblivious to the ruthless ambition of Man playing in the background in the form of a radio, which said ambition culminated in the "Divergence Event". Ambition leads to Pride, Pride leads to Arrogance, and Arrogance leads to Hubris.
You know how the radio said a man named Dimitri was a councilman in this world which is Morytha. Well funny thing in XC2 a unique monster in the land of Morytha is called Malicious Dimitri
Not only I am reeling that this is a new attempt at Perfect Works but also that there were MILLIONS of people that were out in deep space when Klaus ‘reset’ the universe, which didn’t completely work given Alrest is what’s left of the planet in the original universe. But you have to wonder of the ramifications it would have for the rest of the universe like if those colonies or even alien civilizations were also affected by the Zohar/Conduit and what they’d do if they ever reached the new Aonios/re-fused Earth.
It's probably why the Ganglions and other races are scared to death of humans and showed up to the planet so quickly... It had ripple effects... Time stayed still in the Xenoblade Universe, but in ours, millions of years went by... A LOT happened in the meantime... Like the entirety of Xenogears and Xenosaga... So dang cool...
Claus didn’t reset the universe he transported what was within the orbital ring into two separate dimensions. The games never state that anything other than earth was affected by this event and even in the cutscene it happens in just has earth blip out of existence
Actually, it seems like his experiment did not go past Earth, which Saga could explain as Wilhelm stepping in and stopping the experiment from destroying the rest of the universe
@@4wheal or the explosion is local to earth’s relative vicinity which is a result from massive amounts of energy being displaced because the planet is being shrunk to the Planck scale. It would line up perfectly with saga.
With this scene, they were able to connect the Xenoblade trilogy with not just Xenoblade X but also Xenosaga. After reading about the production issues regarding Xenosaga, seeing Takahashi find a way to bridge everything together feels so vindicating.
In X, didn't Elma specify that the White Whale's method of transporting people to another planet wasn't really public knowledge, or the path that plenty of other Arks took? That could explain why there are some discrepancies in the numbers the radio says.
Nintendo would have to buy it off SE first. Xenosaga could be ported to Switch Bamco just don't think it will do bangers. This dlc setup may change that.
@@JlRyer To be honest I don't think Xenosaga would do well today since it's battle system and...well pretty much everything is dated. I think what they would more than likely do is remake the games and make it better for modern audiences while adding a few references here and there to Xenoblade.
Me: You know, this is honestly pretty nice, I mean there was problems, but in comparison to Aionios, it's pretty sweet. I can't say it's that bad- Radio: *mentions Dmitri Yuriev is posed to take over the world* Me: *traumatic memories of losing five times to him* DELETE.
The timeline : There is planet earth where the events of the Xenosaga probably happened given by the information given by the radio. They are colonizing the planet mira and at the same time clause is running his experiment with the conduit. Earth and all the ships except gets one destroyed by Clause's experiment. The Xenoblade 1 world is created, and the remaining of the planet earth becomes Alrest the planet of xenoblade 2. Then the event of each game happen as we know them before the two worlds of xenoblade 1 and 2 fusing together. Then we have the events of xenoblade 3 and mobius. At the end of that game, Origine restores the world and the xenoblade 1 and 2 worlds get fused together properly. Mira, the planet of xenoblade X still exists somewhere in the universe, and they will probably return to earth for something. And that's how everything connects. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this is just my interpretation
if Mira is a completely seperate world then how is it that alot of the ruisn in mira, specifically oblivia, match some ruisn and architecture from shulk's world? specifically the massive rings and floatign islands that looks similar to alchamoth. it can't be that alchamoth or the high entia/telethia were secretly aliens the whole time since they were created specifically to help zanza purge the bionis of unwanted life so it could feed back into him. it's possible that the white wail came back around to earth eons after the events of all the games and crash landed
@@ltb1345 That falling object is more likely to be KOSMOS since at the end of xenosaga 3, she is seen floating back to earth (lost Jerusalem). It wouldn’t make sense for the planet to be mira since alrest is the original earth and it fuses back with the world of the bionis and mechonis after the events of xc3
1. Xenogears 2. Xenosaga 3. Xenosaga II 4. Xenosaga III 5. XCX 6. XC1+FC 7. XC2+Torna 8. XC3+FR Is that right? I’m just learning about Xenoblade lore and wanna go back to play X and Saga if that’s the case
@@Beavernator Actually, the lore of X kind of gose against Saga so it's hard to belive they could fit together. Basically in Saga it confrimed that alien life simply dose not exist whitch gose against there being alien life in X.
Thats honestly INSANE. For more context Monolithsoft is owned by Nintendo and a daugther company of Nintendo with the Xenoblade IP ownership being shared between Nintendo and Monolithsoft but not Bandai makeing Xenoblade a official first party Nintendo game series. The Xenosaga IP on the other hand is owned by Bandai Namco and a small of it by Monolithsoft, making Xenosaga mostly a third party IP. So Bandai allowing Monolithsoft and Nintendo to connect these two series is honestly insane and awsome. Bandai Namco is btw also mentioned in the credits under special thanks, the relation between these three(Nintendo,Monolith,Bandai) is in general really good. Can't wait to see what Xenoblade 4 or X2 will bring.^^
I'm really hoping this means they're working on a Xenosaga remaster and Xenoblade X DE. Though I don't think these references are canonical to either since the series is basically a multiverse with similar characters and events that happen with different outcomes in each universe. Heck the light at the end could be KOS-MOS, the Eldridge, the White Whale, or something completely new falling towards earth. If they do remaster Xenosaga I can see them including a short epilogue episode 4 showing what happens when they reach earth, but I'm in the camp that's fine with the vague yet hopeful ending it left on. If anything I'd like them to remake Pied Piper and a Missing Year into short DLC length interquel episodes as well. If Bandai Namco is flipping the bill though I expect the bare minimum from them. Then again the Baten Kaitos remaster that they're releasing does look graphically enhanced, so maybe they got a Monolith Soft team to work on it. I believe the relationship between Monolith, Nintendo, and Bandai Namco is still pretty strong right now so I don't see them having an issue with Monolith going back and fixing up their old work, heck maybe they'll bring Xenosaga 2 up to par with 1 and 3 since it was kind of a mess. I'm going to keep an eye out for a potential Xenosaga remaster announcement during one of the directs in the next year now that things are pretty open after the mainline Xenoblade series has concluded. It may not happen though so I won't get myself too hyped up for it to happen at each direct. I do not doubt they will eventually give Xenoblade X the DE treatment. I just think the Switch can't handle the game with all the visual improvements they would be giving it, so it's definitely a Switch 2 exclusive IMO. It would be really nice to get some closure on that frustrating cliffhanger it has as well.
Square would be insane to not allow it... They could be like a smash bros. type scenario, where it's not about would have the rights, just that it's AWESOME...
@@blairintheusa6613 I would not doubt that part of the deal of Namco working on Smash and a few other properties got them to allow use of Xenosaga... TEAMWORK FTW!!!
@@Beavernator Square basically has the complete rights to Xenogears so I can see them just doing the remaster out of the blue. I do think a HD 2D remake would be cool, but I don't think they'll do that for Xenogears.
@@blairintheusa6613 Yeah. Not to mention they've got the Baten Kaitos remaster coming out soon, so I think the chances of Xenosaga remastered happening is pretty good right now.
I did some math, and by that I mean I plugged in each year into a future calendar calculator. The years within 2000-2099 (IE 20XX, if Xenoblade 2 is to be believed) that have May 16th fall on a Wednesday are 2001, 2007, 2012, 2018, 2029, 2035, 2040, 2046, 2057, 2063, 2068, 2074, 2085, 2091, and 2096.
I guess a Xenoblade Chronicles 4 would use ideas from both Xenosaga and X. So not making these games canon but making "remakes-fusion" that would be. I don't see Takahashi showing this for random fan-service in an important cutscene.
Easter egg? Very much yes. But….maybe it IS very deliberate to tease what the team wants to do next, now that the whole Klaus and Conduit saga is finished and tied up. They obviously can’t straight up make Xenosaga 4 or whatever, UNLESS they get the rights but that’s a whole other topic. But maybe what they are doing is their own “Xenosaga.” Or everyone is clueless and overlooking it and it’s gonna be the most probable thing: Xenoblade X storyline continued
so does that actually mean, the explosion at the beginning of X wasn't caused by the two alien-factions, but by Klaus? and if yes, isn't that a big retcon by itself? damn, when will the next game come out?
If xenoblade 3 came out in 2022 and xenoblade 2 came out in 2017,then the next game, realistically should come out in 2027 However, with them making xenoblade X Canon they may want to remake it so fans can experience it and since the white dot coming to the planet at the end of the dlc may be a hint at the white whale returning, so they may make a future connected type episode for a possible X remake that explains why that happens This is all speculation, nothing confirmed, but either way it's an amazing time to be a xenoblade fan
Technically, those who boarded the White Whale didn't know that it was Klaus who destroyed the world, because from their perspective, it looked like the aliens were the ones to do it.
@@xenowarrior5692 Even more fuel to the white whale theory, I really want to see where the xeno series will be going in the future, this period where we digest the dlc and theory craft will be fun while we wait for the next release
So technically, you could say, Elma comes to Earth, warns people about other Aliens. Those alien races come to earth, on one hand to kill the human race, on the other hand, probably to obtain the Conduit. The only problem with that is, Elma never mentioned the Conduit. And Klaus likewise, never mentioned aliens.
@@Smexbi and the conduit is no more in the new world, the white whale coming back would be to see if there are any survivors on earth, which now is Aionios (or whichever name they'll give it) The aliens, as far as I know, wouldn't have any reason to come back Of course this is all assuming that the white whale is the dot in space
Something doesnt add-up. They mention that the project will send out 10 million people into the great beyond, but X states that the lifehold core alone has 20 million people in it, not accounting for the potential other ships having millions of people in them too. Will they perhaps change that number in a port or is there something i'm missing here?
This does clearly clash with the lore of the other games, despite going out of it’s way to reference them. However, at this point I think it’s safe to say that Takahashi is cooking something.
Yeah there are a few things that I'm a little confused about. At the beginning of XCX earth completely explodes doesn't it? If Earth from XCX is Klaus's world then the planet would still be intact because in XC2 we can still see the ruins of his original world. In other words, if the earth explodes the way it did in XCX then we wouldn't be able to see those ruins in XC2 at all correct?
I will not even be surprised if we see Krelian in the next game considering he ascended to the upper domain. Aka he’s in the same place as UDO and the wave existence. TAKAHASHI YOU MADMAN
So, is it safe to say that one of those large mother ships that can host 1.5 million people, one could be the ELDRIGE bringing Xenogears back on the mix?
No, the Xenogears ship didn't leave until thousands of years later. But by bringing Saga it's already connecting to Gears anyways so yes, it's all connected in the future.
This was before humanity colonized space and Deus was later created to end a very long interstellar war but ended up destroying a planet instead after making contact with the Wave Existence that made it believing itself to be God.
@@TheShanicpowerI get the confusion, but what Elma meant was that the Lifehold core held the DATA of 20 million; not actually 20 million. The goal was to settle on a planet and recreate Earth life on it. Allowing the citizens “sleeping” in the Lifehold core to be revived and brought back when the planet they inhabit is ready for it.
the leaker samus hunter(i know they have a bad rep but all their info on xeno3 was right) stated in a tweet that they herd monolith was trying to connect x to the main trilogy, could this be the beginning of it?
@@CloisteredExplorerNot only that, but it also mentioned how it should carried at least 10 million people, and knowing how big the ship was in xenogear, it pretty much confirmed to be the same ship. That’s awesome, but also scary knowing their demise and the future leading up to Xenogear
Im not sure that all of this would tie Saga into Blade. From what i gathered by playing the Blade series, it seems like it is implied that the Zohar is not only a unlimited source of energy but also a Link between different universes, so possibly Saga and Gears could be nothing but alternate realities. The Dimitri Yuriev could be an alternate persona living in Klaus's universe or maybe, along with the Vector Logo, just a reference for long time fans. What i'm sure of is that this ending links Xenoblade X into all of this but the timeline of it is still unclear. Is it really plausible that the attack of the saviorite happens at the same time as the attack of the ganglion on earth? I have another theory: Project EXODUS is a thing in both instances, meaning that it was an intended project to send people to space, whether the planet is attacked by the ganglion or not. In my opinion Klaus's experiment happened in another universe, separately from the ganglion attack. Xenoblade X takes place in a Planet that houses Nopons and very similar environments to Aionios. We know that Origin is a gigantic super computer that contains data from two worlds as well as every conscience of its inhabitants. From X, we know that after the white whale crashes onto Mira, The Lifehold is damaged and all the data of the inhabitans of the earth is lost, but somehow the Mimeosomes retained their memory, meaning that a backup of the data of the lifehold was stored also somewhere else. So where am i going with this? Simply put, Mira is either a creation of Origin, or, the successful fusion of both worlds from XB 1 and 2 after the two universes collide again ( because even after the two universes are recreated after the ending of the base game why would they not attract each other again?) which remained whole after the events of XB3. Whether Mira is a physical Planet or just a virtual world remains to be seen. The inhabitants of past Mira eventually become the samaarians who develop a technology that allows them to travel to other dimensions, most likely through the use of the conduit. They end up in a universe where the earth still exists and colonize it. Meanwhile earth goes through a similar timeline of events as the previous universe, only, this time Klaus's experiment does not take place, instead, the ganglion, a faction born from the samaarians, attacks the earth, project EXODUS has been rushed and repurposed after Elma warned the government of the imminent attack, the white whale escapes, is engulfed by a white light and crashlands on Mira in another universe, and all of the consciousnesses are uploaded into Origin. Some will argue that the white light and the travel to another plane could be possibile only if Klaus's activation of the conduit and the Ganglion's arrival take place at the same time, but what if what Klaus did not only split his universe in two but also affected other universes? So the white light would still be the activation of the conduit but it was just activated in another dimension and transported the white whale and the ganglion pursuing it in the same universe where Mira is located. Some mysteries still remain however: Why could everyone understand each other on Mira and why is Lao seen alive again at the end of it? Before i wrote that Mira is either a physical planet OR a virtual world created from origin. In the latter case, it would mean that everyone retained their consciousness because their data was uploaded inside origin before the white whale crashed and by everyone i mean the earthlings as well as every other alien species we encounter on Mira. So basically, the white whale crashes in an inhabited planet created by origin, their memories are then stored inside it and a simulation is created for them for a reason i cannot explain. Lao at the ending of X is the real one awakened by the inhabitans of the real "Mira" who somehow recreated him by using his biological data stored in origin. Well, this is the wild theory i came up with, i cannot wait to see how MIIKS explains what happens in Future redeemed.
They wouldn't show all of that very heavily important name and logo dropping in a very story heavy cutscene revolving around Klaus's world, which we knew little about just as a reference. Bandai Bamco is even mentioned in the the credits. It's official. Xenosaga is connected to Xenoblade
@@masteroflight7296 It is still just a large easteregg at this point up until Bandai Namco allows Takahashi to fully include the Xenosaga lore into this franchise and I don´t see it happen. Xenogears is even another case because the rights belong to Square Enix. Those are references to the perfect works concept, clearly, but it is nothing more than a nod to the fans aware of the circumstances. There won´t be a cohesive conclusion of all the Xeno-games imo. Even though I wish there would be.
@@kevingame3198 I'm not saying it doesn't confirm its the same universe. I just think a sequel going straight back to earth would be wasted potential and a slap in the face to those wanting a follow up to the cliff hanger we got 8 years ago
This is the same thing Takahashi always does. Stringing along Gears/Saga fans with easter eggs and references without ever giving them what they actually want.
Basically there is planet earth where the events of the Xenosaga probably happend, colonizing the planet mira, at the same time clause is running his experiment with the conduit. Earth and all the ships except gets destroyed by Clause's experiment. The Xenoblade 1 world is created, and the remaining of the planet earth becomes Alrest the planet of xenoblade 2. Then the event of each game happen as we know them before the two worlds of xenoblade 1 and 2 fusing together. Then we have the events of xenoblade 3 and mobius. At the end of that game, Origine restores the world and the xenoblade 1 and 2 words get fused properly. Mira the planet of xenoblade X still exists somewhere in the universe.
So I get this ties in all the games, with some minor retcons, but I'm a little confused. It talks about the Saviorite rights program being potentially turned down, which we can infur is what leads to XB2, where the Saviorite Rebels are fighting the Coalition Government over the Conduit. We also hear about Project Exodus and how more ships are planned to be sent out soon, which we know happens at the start of Xenoblade X when the two alien factions show up and start fighting. So what, does all that happen on the same day when Klaus does his split? Or are they different timelines, where in one timeline the Saviorite Rebels attack and Klaus presses the button, while in another timeline the two alien factions show up and Project Exodus is launched?
So basically, assuming the different universes don't have some crazy timewarps and time flows the same: Xenoblade X(Assuming no timetravel) --Thousands of years later---: Xenosaga I Xenosaga II Xenosaga III -- Decades of thousands of years later--- Xenogears -- Possibly millions of years later--- Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country Xenoblade Chronicles 2 --------------------- Xenoblade Chronicles (Another universe) Xenoblade Chronicles : Future Connected (Another universe) Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed (Chimera of the two universes) Xenoblade Chronicles 3 (Another universe) Did I get anything wrong? Also, did the conduit/zohar split themselves to there be three of them seemingly at the same time or were they three different monoliths the whole time?
My dumbass was paying attention to the radio more than the cutscene and my ass was CONFUSED. Glad to know it’s a reference to every other Xeno game besides Chronicles
Depending on how the opening cutscene of X changes in a remake the Earthlife Colonization Project refernce is kind of anachronistic. If you played X you know. Nobody played X
@@NintendoSegaGuys so why are you at this video? Curiosity? Because if so you just got spoiled on something that would be an awesome revelation had you not seen this.
@@AstralXen I watched Nicob's let's plays for xc1 & xc2 (minus torna) because I don't have a switch and based on some end game spoilers I know about 3 I'm on the fence about the game in general.
No that's merely Bionis and Alrest which finally combine correctly at the end to create Neo Earth. Klaus stated several times that there are multiple dimensions, so yeah it's far more than just those two.
I really tought this was either a Connection to the XENOSAGA series(remake/remaster) or connection to Xenoblade X. I really want Xenosaga it is my favorite JRPG, its not the best or anything but the story is AMASING.
Because of a certain phenomenon, our world is on the path to destruction. The universe is slowly but surely being destroyed. No one can stop it, even if they had the power of God. But do not despair. There is one way to save this universe. If we are fated to die, then we shall stop our history at a certain point, and restart it. And we shall repeat that process, eternally. -Wilhelm, explaining his belief to a young Kevin, Xenosaga 3. Concidences?????????
I'm just curious, wether Xenosaga is canon, or maybe they "re-imagin" Xenosaga. Basically same characters, with a simliar story-line, but more lore-friendly with Xenoblade. Also what that new planet at the end is. Are now XC1 and XC2 worlds truely together without earsing each other? I also don't quite understand HOW did that happen, since the end of XC3 doesent lead to that. Not to mention, what is that thing at the end flying towards the new planet. At this point it could be anything. I think it is most likely the Conduit, coming back. I also like the idea that the new planet is what we know as Mira, and that thing coming down is the White Whale. Or maybe similiar, since they mentioned that there are other ships, maybe that's a ship of one of those other colonies that left earth. There are so many endless possiblities and I don't see anything more right or wrong than the other. XC1, 2, 3, X, are all newcomer friendly, but I wouldn't mind if XC4 goes deeper into the lore and expect people to know about the previous games. But Ig that would hurt sales. But Ig would prefer at this point to see a XCX2, before we get XC4. Not to mention, there is also a chance we might not even get a sequel to any of those games, but a prequel. Idk, but they talk so much about Klaus' world, it just makes me wonder what happend there and wether or not we might experience it for ourself. Not to mention, the picture "siblings" in XC3. Which shows people from before the time of XC1/2 even. In that painting you also quiet literally see a more old-school type of mage. Considering that Xenosage went so far back, to times of Jesus and such, I wouldn't be suprised to see something similiar again.
Both The Zohar and The Conduit in the wikis description said that both objects was found in the 21st century, in AFRICA. But with the Zohar was very specific, this, to be found in Lake Turkana, Kenya, Africa. Thus Earth was alive back then. Either Takahashi is reimagine saga into blades lore, OR, there could be some strong story connections between these universes that we don't know yet.
my hope is that they remaster Xenosaga I&II from the DS with the adapted script to fit XC lore. or just remake Xenosaga in FE7REMAKE style, so they can do the story with a nopon or 2 around- give shion a nopon assistant or something, but same story.
@@owenitzura X is definitely connected. Project exodus is mentioned by name ,and even the date of the departure of one of the white wales is the same, July.
No joke, that light at the end may be White Whale, Xenoblade and Xenoblade X don't seem to be related, but what if that planet at the end was actually Mira??
Spoiler: - - - - It seems like everything is pointing towards it being Kosmos X is not cannon to the main xenoblade universe. Which is why Telethia exist there even though they can only exist in the xenoblade 1 world.
@@erbsenkriegerthe audacity to say this in a video whose radio explicitly nentions the Coalition government, the Earthlife Colonization Project and Project Exodus. What is canon and what is not, what will be changed to fit and what will not, is entirely on Monolith Soft willing to do or not. All we know here is that, explicitly, X and Saga are mentioned the same amount of times. What will be part of the same continuity and what has to be done for that is with them, not we with our currently limited knowledge of the full lore, so don't make statements as if you knew what they are going to do.
@@joebilly3719you're right, but from what we understand, Xenoblade X literally can't fit in the Klaus timeline. The Earth in X was literally blown to chunks of rock, and of course, the alien war was happening, while in the Klaus timeline, it was a civil war with the Saviorite Rebels. I personally believe that Monolithsoft is re using characters and groups from Saga and X and putting them into the Klaus timeline
Yeah, no. This is great as DLC and supplement to the main game, which stands on its own, but 100+ hours of "hey, thing from past game! Hey, this character is related to another character" would be extremely obnoxious.
Zero chance they will add Xenosaga or Gears into Blade. That's way too much combined lore for a modern audience to catch up on and would make Kingdom Hearts look like a picture book. Dimitri and the Vector logo are def just easter eggs. The Project Exodus, ECP and human rights debates however are just screaming Xenoblade X-2
That’s what i think too. Putting hype, bias, and fan service aside, this is the most logical conclusion. The Saga/Gears stuff are just fun easter eggs to show “yep, we did make those and remember them, and have enough rights to at least mention things by name and have cameos,” but that’s all they are. Easter eggs and cameos. They cannot make more Gears or Sagas without the rights, which they don’t have. But they can at least get permission from Square and Bandai to put easter eggs….which is exactly what we see here lmao. BUT, Xenoblade X is all Monolith soft’s, which means THOSE references and easter eggs are MORE than just that. Said time and time again, The Klaus saga from Xc1-3 and the DLCs is finished. The next logical step, and story-wise too, is to continue the X saga. I think that whatever the hell the blue thing flying towards the (FINALLY after 3 whole games and DLC ffs) rejoined and normal world , is something to do with X. One of the ships? An escape pod? Elma herself? Something else from that games world and lore? Idk. But it’s SOMETHING from X
Monolith wouldn't ask Nintendo of all people to consult with Bandai to get allow them to do all this in FR if it wasn't absolutely essential. Time and time again they've mentioned the existence of multiple universes/galaxies/dimensions that were created after Klaus destroyed Earth and activated the Zohar and the existence of a higher entity that oversees all of it. Takahashi himself literally states that with Future Redeemed fans can imagine what lies ahead for the future of Xenoblade and this cutscene is easily the most important piece of information we have gotten. This isn't fan service to some obscure past work, it's setup for the next saga of Xenoblade whatever that might entail. "That's way too much combined lore for a modern audience to catch up on" You have 3-5 years till the next saga to do what I did leisurely for around 6 months, it's only 4 games anyways. (Gears and Saga 1-3), if you care about everything Xeno, then it's there for you.
@@ZephyrK_ Xenosaga was a commercial failure 18 years ago, and Xenoblade was created by Takahashi and his team to start anew when morale was low. This isn't the first time Monolith asked for IP usage for Easter eggs as legal discussions to negotiate even Kos-Mos as a blade would have started long before XC2 was finished. Monolith has already stated that they hope to go back to X after they finish 3, and although words aren't many ways without action, only time and official announcements will tell. The conduit is not the same as the Zohar. In the same way, the Zohar is not the same as the Zohar/Zohar modfier. They are merely echoes of previous designs, but each serves its own purpose. There is a reason why it's a different name entirely because the narrative subject, source material, and tone of both Xenosaga and Xenoblade are night and day different. You could NEVER combine the story of these games without massive rewrites, retcons, or remixes, and even then, the contrast between both would still be too great. Xenoblade is a typical modern JRPG with common concepts of multicultural gods, magic, and monsters you see today in most ways of easily consumable fantasy media. It's called the Conduit because it's meant to convey power or energy, which is its purpose in XC2. Xenosaga is a retelling/remix of the Bible, later set in space with extreme philosophical & religious context. It's called the Zohar because Zohar is a foundational work in the literature of the Jewish Kabbalah. The Zohar contains discussions of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of the Ego to Darkness, and the "true self" to "The Light of God." You tell me how you're going to bring both of those together and keep a casual audience invested who are enjoying Nopon shenanigans now they have to understand and learn the meaning behind stuff like the Lemegetton, Carl Jung, Nietszche, and the Path of Sephirot???
Yeah, I'm gonna say it. FR should've been the main game. XB3 should've been the DLC. Hate me all you want, but what this sets up is just way too important to be delegated to a DLC campaign.
I assume they just didn't want to make a full game that would require fans to have played the other games first. It makes sense for them to make a more accessible main game, and a dlc for the more dedicated fans
That would not have worked. It would have been a Ready Player One Xenoblade game full of references and lore dumps that requires people to catch up on 2 other 100hr long games and their DLC/Side Stories. Im glad this was DLC
I would agree if this was a throwaway scene. This is the most important section in the dlc, they want us to listen to the radio for info on the world before.
fully disagree, if the radio played in the background and you could find it and listen to it, maybe it could be written off as nothing more than an easter egg, but the radio was prevalent throughout this vital scene AND would be brought into focus multiple times putting greater emphasis on it as if the director wanted us to hear it. Things like that aren't done for a simple Easter or fan service so whatever was spoken on the radio can very well be taken as canon.
@@samzadeh2518 the thing is how they are gonna connect all of this... xenoblade X is virtually imposible to happen in klaus world, there is no way all the saviorite thing could happen when ALIENS ARE COMING, without mentioning leaving behind your most powerfull enery source in the planet you plan to abandon. the same thing goes for xenosaga, the Zohar is present in multiple planets, so it cant be the conduit (supposing they are the same thing) because the latter stayed on earth. I theorize that klaus world got separated into 3, the original for xeno 2, the pocket dimension for xeno 1, and a portal to a paralel world for xeno x. The saviorties (a more radical faction of the humans) are the ancestors that are constantly mentioned in xeno x lore, the ones who are the originators of humanity. I say that the earth we see in xeno x is just the earth of that paralel world, meaning they could not go back to their original earth, so they tried to ''recreated'' in their earth. So that leaves you with a type of klaus original world in another earth were the aliens DO attack, and that is the reason why they also have proyect exodus, the ancestors wanted to recreated EVERYTHING from the OG earth (maybe they vanish of self erase their memories for not ruin it again?). for xenosaga i see the need of a remake to change somethings to really tie the story, but if done right, that means that xenosaga chapter 3's end, when kos-mos is falling to earth, is exactly what we see at the end of xeno 3, she falls to lost jerusalem, the one who now is united one again. also that explains why they didn't fin lost jerusalem, the conduit was distorting earth space-time continuity until that moment. this is gonna be a WILD RIDE
@@samzadeh2518 It is still just a large easteregg at this point up until Bandai Namco allows Takahashi to fully include the Xenosaga lore into this franchise and I don´t see it happen. Xenogears is even another case because the rights belong to Square Enix. Those are references to the perfect works concept, clearly, but it is nothing more than a nod to the fans aware of the circumstances. There won´t be a cohesive conclusion of all the Xeno-games imo. Even though I wish there would be.
The Lore Dump Radio ( with the Vector Industries logo ) talking about Dmitri Yuriev from Xenosaga, Project Exodus from Xenoblade Chronicles X, and more.
Thoughts?
All I know is, if this leads to the long-awaited continuation of Xenosaga's story, it's going to be amazing regardless of the many flaws that the previous games had.
Extremely cathartic
@@warriorofdawn876 if they want to sell episode 4 then they would need to catch people up with the first 3 episodes in a remake/remaster first otherwise sales are gonna tank a lot since they can't play dumb and said it's not connected like how they did with xc2 marketing campaigns
As a Xenoblade X fan, I lost my shit at the Project Exodus dump
It would be nice to find out what happened after the events of X especially since it was left on a cliffhanger when they found out that the Lifehold was already destroyed. As for Xenosaga didn't they all split up to look for Lost Jerusalem at the end of episode 3?
What I find great about this scene is that Na'el is talking big about this beautiful world with no problems or struggles, yet the radio is talking about nothing but problems. There are human rights abuses, rebellions, and people trying to escape the planet rather than live on it. Even the people who live there don't want to live there like Na'el deceives herself into thinking.
What made me dislike Na'el wasn't her sadness about the state of the world or even her complacent attitude towards the fight against moebius, it was her naivety and lack of empathy towards the new city inhabitants. She tells matthew that he's living in fantasy land when in reality she's living in an actual fantasy land lol.
She doesn't understand that the people enslaved by the flame clock have only learned how to fight and nothing else, their reality is tailor made towards moebius interests and it bothers me so much that she gets angry when those people have been liberated and tried to make a change for the better. Add this scene where she thinks that there is a pretty solution to all the worlds problems when in fact her perception is warped to only include the beautiful and not the ugly.
@@misterzia01 shes more sympathic than N.
If Xenoblade X is canon, as the radio broadcast about project exodus implies, then you can also add the literal destruction of Earth in the war between the Samaar Federation and the Ghosts.
@@misterzia01 so you disliked her because she has faults and layers? Yeesh
@@soliquidsnake3990 I’m talking about the beginning. Yes, of course she has faults and she improved
Na'el: "Look at this paradise"
The radio: "It seems Armageddon is upon us and gas prices are through the roof"
Somehow, the weirdest thing to see in a Xenoblade game is a completely ordinary urban environment.
A family of 4 just watching the party in their backyard talk lol
Honestly I think it's just kinda... creepy. You can tell that the characters CLEARLY do not belong here. And their animesque artstyle also clashes with the world around them. Its honestly really disturbing to me, personally.
New LA????
@@dantelawrence4676 I think thats the point personally but I agree
New LA is placed in a giant fucking ring surrounded by crystals on an alien planet, and aliens live there as well.
What I found most interesting about this scene is that Na'el is gushing about a utopia while the radio matter-of-factly detailing brewing wars, human rights debates, and a mass exodus to escape this "utopia" in the background. The background is stating that everything she believes is wrong even as she as she's stating it.
It truly is the pinnacle of "looks can be deceiving" like it looks like the peak of the American dream, big house, nice neighbourhood, perfect weather but then you listen to the radio and you realise its the Cuban missile crisis and negotiations are going poorly
Na'el: In this world, people can live as they please!
Radio: In other news, entire groups of people have just been denied their human rights! And now, back to the weather.
For the sake of it, I'm just gonna assume the radio was actually in a language she didn't understand, like, the Radio is in english but she's speaking "Aionese".
@@Justic_ I presume, she doesn't know what human rights are
@Justic she's also under alphas sway so what she sees and hears from the "gift" alpha was giving may not be what are being said. But reinforcement. Like the children were
So that meeting between Elma, Rex, Shulk and Kos-Mos may be bigger than we thought.
Here hoping then we'll have the greatest Xenoblade game ever with all protagonist.
@@jerelwright1495 don't tease me.
@@JlRyer Hey we can all deam 😂.
Man to bad Fei can't join them cause of SquareEnix...
@@benjaws5263
Wdym Fei is right there with Na'el
Anyone saying these are just references and nothing more clearly isn't familiar with the extent of a madman Takahashi is.
He certainly is fascinated by “obscure” esoteric knowledge. I have a feeling we will see the higher power referenced by Klaus in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. After all we never got to see the Xenoblade counterpart of the wave existence. He’s probably saving the big reveal for the next game and I can’t wait to see it.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 the Fog is still coming into this worldafter all~ and there is that mystery shooting star landing on the new world
@@stupogo0 True, I forgot about the fog. The blue “star” and the possible appearance of a higher power are still on my mind.
@@stupogo0 the shooting star could also be returnees from project exodus.
@@Cyriusization thing is and as other Xenotubers have pointed out the retcons needed to make Saga and the Kluas trilogy play nice are pretty minor compaired to what would be need to make X fit in with the rest of blade with one major sticking point
the opening cut scene of X vs Klauses experiment
The radio even had Vector's logo on it. Absolutely insane scene
@Migos Vector was a super-corporaton from the Xenosaga trilogy on PS2 which was in large part a weapons manufacturer. The main character Shion Uzuki was head of development of the battle android KOS-MOS, who made a cameo as a Blade in Xenoblade 2. Even though the main story of Xenosaga took place thousands of years into the future, Vector has been around since the 21st century. The Vector logo implies that Xenoblade and Saga share the same continuity.
@@devinalexander6828 is it possible that xenosaga takes place way after xenoblade 3 then?
@paul It definitely could. My interpretation is that the Xenoblade trilogy takes place on the same Lost Jerusalem that was sealed away in Xenosaga. In other words, Xenoblade is in a pocket of space parallel to the events of Xenosaga, like how XC1 and XC2 took place at the same time. I think this would be the cleanest way of tying the Lore together
I SAW IT AND MY JAW LITERALLY DROPPED, I'm still in awe.
@Migos Unfortunately, if Saga doee turn out to be canon to Blade that means X cannot be as a major plot point of Saga is that alien life dose not exist.
So X and Sage lore cancels each other out.
Suddenly Klaus being so eager to do that experiment seems a little more reasonable given what would happen if who we now know led the Saviorites got his hands on the Conduit.
(Also the fact that we now know for a fact that the Saviorites were just a legally distinct name change (but still the same group) from the Salvators from Xenosaga.)
Plus the fact two crazy alien armies were gonna destroy the world on the other side of the planet too.
They are called Salvator in japanese, it's just another case of the english localization missing an obvious reference
@@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 I don't think that's entirely fair. A lot of the localisation for Xenoblade was evidently done by us Brits. You know what games us Brits didn't get? Xenosaga Episode I and III. For some reason, only II came out in my part of the world, and it didn't exactly set the country on fire. It's a shame the reference was missed, but I don't think you can wholly blame them when our region was missing so much of the story. If the reference was that important to keep, I think someone on the writing staff should've found some way to ensure the localisation staff would get the memo.
@@PureAwesamness yea Xenosaga is beloved now. It wouldn't sell gut busters ut I think Nintendo may try to buy the franchise. The jap ds ports/remake/demakes are worse.
@@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 ehh tamato tomahto
it also mentions the Philadelphia-class ship, which was the same class as the ship in Gears
Some of the houses here look identical to the ones in New Los Angeles in Xenoblade Chronicles X. Same front and back facing designs like the front doors, windows, fireplace and tiny garage.
I mean, it might be just a way to tie things together. But i'm thinking they needed assets and it was just easier to re-use the ones from X.
@@darkmage102 It's also possible it's in reverse, that Monolith are remaking X, and are using the assets here since there'd be similar assets anyway.
Yes, I am very high on copium.
The city looks like it could even be LA
@@lozm4835 wouldn’t be surprised since they reused assets from X in the Land of Morytha
Yeahhh you noticed it too
Conclution, everything is canon, existential crisis are not over. Shulk, Rex, Noah and Matthew have been basically perfect works chapter 4 to 6. Now we get the never written chapter 7 finally something completely new, in the future
I think this really is nothing more than an easteregg for fans.
I dont think we're getting it in the form of Xenoblade 4, rather as X2. The post credit scene does confirm that after Aionios splits, the people manage to unite it into a sole planet again. And the thing landing on the planet is heavily implied to be the White Whale from X. I think the next game we're getting is either a port of X with a Future Connected-type side story or Xenoblade X2.
@Cloaked I think we'll see x in 2025
@@saintlugia that would be the dream
@@casuallycloaked think they'll make X Canon for sure, I'm not sure about X2 though, I think they'll confirm the white whale coming for the united planet and then xenoblade 4 will happen, Takahashi said that the mainline series is for story, while X was an experimentation, more focused on exploration and the world rather than story
So I think we'll get our prophecised X remake tying the white whale coming for the united worlds as a post credits scene of a possible bonus story and that'll lead into xenoblade 4
For those who don’t know: In 2 KOS-MOS knows everything about how the World Tree was built but doesn’t understand why she has this information.
Likewise the Protags meeting is also canon, and Elma is the one who thinks there’s more to them all meeting. Like it’s more than just Nopons wanting fanservice. Shulk event repeats Alvis line after she says that about all life walking hand in hand.
Yeah I always said how there was zero reason for at least Rex and Shulk meeting to not be canon, considering how Xenoblade 1 and 2 worlds could speak before 2, and how Rex and Shulk were quick friends, that is definitively canon.
Lol I remember when Xenoblade fans were like “iTs nOt cAnOn jUsT fAnSeRvIcE”
@@anonymoushuman8443 You would be surprised those people are still around and call this radio lore just non canon fanservice too, it's absurd. I called everything canon from the get go and am just laughing at those we never believed.
Not gonna lie this was unironically made me scared, just seeing the xenoblade world just turned into human one was kinda terrifying, I don’t know something just didn’t felt right about it, specially since they just let you roam around in there for few minutes
I'm going to be honest, if was living in a fantasy world and I got transported into an American neighbourhood I would be flipping out.
Everything would seem so weird, the biggest beast is the size of a husky, houses neatly ordered in rows, I think the Internet itself would be the weirdest thing ever
it's due to the lack of people in it and no sound save for one musical piece i nthe far distance (or the exposition radio)
it's similar to when rex and co finally get to elysium at the end of 2, except somehow mroe haunting, atleast with elysium you can see that somethign went wrogn adn everythign went to shit, here you're not so sure, it's like everyone got raptured
I wish we had a chance to explore it more and spend more time in it
@@HoldenDude123 I got a friend who rips the map meshes for the games, if monolith soft is anything like they were with 2 there’s prolly some weird funky shit hidden in the area
I thought it was amazing. They straight-up went to our world, which for them is the extremely distant past. Wild.
I found it to be a poetic contrast how Na 'el looking after the kids in the backyard of presumably Klaus' house in a suburban residential neighborhood, all the while being completely oblivious to the ruthless ambition of Man playing in the background in the form of a radio, which said ambition culminated in the "Divergence Event".
Ambition leads to Pride, Pride leads to Arrogance, and Arrogance leads to Hubris.
Can't wait for Luxin to make a 2 hour video analyzing this
Update: RIP his video is only 58 minutes
We'll wait patiently
You know, I genuinely cannot wait for that video.
@@dantelawrence4676 same he probably lost his mind watching the last couple cutscenes but to be honest who didnt?
I'm sure he will accidentally leave out the Project Exodus part.
Well it's only about an hour but he has posted a video out about it
You know how the radio said a man named Dimitri was a councilman in this world which is Morytha. Well funny thing in XC2 a unique monster in the land of Morytha is called Malicious Dimitri
I'm pretty sure the radio was referring to Dimitri Yuriev from Xenosaga.
This cutscence is perfection, the radio make this "perfect world" feel so eerie
Not only I am reeling that this is a new attempt at Perfect Works but also that there were MILLIONS of people that were out in deep space when Klaus ‘reset’ the universe, which didn’t completely work given Alrest is what’s left of the planet in the original universe. But you have to wonder of the ramifications it would have for the rest of the universe like if those colonies or even alien civilizations were also affected by the Zohar/Conduit and what they’d do if they ever reached the new Aonios/re-fused Earth.
It's probably why the Ganglions and other races are scared to death of humans and showed up to the planet so quickly... It had ripple effects... Time stayed still in the Xenoblade Universe, but in ours, millions of years went by... A LOT happened in the meantime... Like the entirety of Xenogears and Xenosaga... So dang cool...
Claus didn’t reset the universe he transported what was within the orbital ring into two separate dimensions. The games never state that anything other than earth was affected by this event and even in the cutscene it happens in just has earth blip out of existence
Actually, it seems like his experiment did not go past Earth, which Saga could explain as Wilhelm stepping in and stopping the experiment from destroying the rest of the universe
@@4wheal or the explosion is local to earth’s relative vicinity which is a result from massive amounts of energy being displaced because the planet is being shrunk to the Planck scale. It would line up perfectly with saga.
With this scene, they were able to connect the Xenoblade trilogy with not just Xenoblade X but also Xenosaga.
After reading about the production issues regarding Xenosaga, seeing Takahashi find a way to bridge everything together feels so vindicating.
It is an easteregg bro...
Nah man this is a big fucking deal for the xeno base. Don't downplay this as an Easter egg.
@@FelixS. KOS-MOS and T-ELOS in XB2 were easter eggs. This Xenosaga reference in XB3FR is something much bigger that required some legal agreements.
@@visuyhmgroup Can you elaborate on how you know about a legal agreement? Dropping a name is vague enough that no such thing is required.
@@FelixS. why are you so against the idea of it being canon 😂 you believe what we want while we speculate.
In X, didn't Elma specify that the White Whale's method of transporting people to another planet wasn't really public knowledge, or the path that plenty of other Arks took? That could explain why there are some discrepancies in the numbers the radio says.
Honestly the funniest thing about all this was Na’el seeing suburban North America and instantly thinking this is the peak of existence 😂
Don't forget the mention of the Philadelphia class ships, which both Eldridge and the White Whale apparently were.
The people left behind in Project Exodus are the ones who got sent to the split world then? I'm losing it here what the hell
I gasped so freaking hard the moment I saw the mention of Dmitri Yuriev, had to pause right there and take a moment
It’s just another loop for a time line, so I wonder if Xenogear story line finally has its space in Xenoverse…
Nintendo would have to buy it off SE first.
Xenosaga could be ported to Switch Bamco just don't think it will do bangers.
This dlc setup may change that.
@@JlRyer To be honest I don't think Xenosaga would do well today since it's battle system and...well pretty much everything is dated. I think what they would more than likely do is remake the games and make it better for modern audiences while adding a few references here and there to Xenoblade.
@xid they didn't seem to mind when GOW and Spider-man were ported
EVERYTHING IS CANON WTF
WHAT WAS TAKAHASHI COOKING
I knew I heard the colony part ! X Lives!
Can't wait to buy the Xenosaga remaster
Me: You know, this is honestly pretty nice, I mean there was problems, but in comparison to Aionios, it's pretty sweet. I can't say it's that bad-
Radio: *mentions Dmitri Yuriev is posed to take over the world*
Me: *traumatic memories of losing five times to him* DELETE.
Soon as i saw this I thought to myself “what are they cooking?!”
In a perfect future, Icarus would either be the return of the White Whale's crew, or even better, Shion and co. finding Fifth Jerusalem.
The timeline :
There is planet earth where the events of the Xenosaga probably happened given by the information given by the radio. They are colonizing the planet mira and at the same time clause is running his experiment with the conduit. Earth and all the ships except gets one destroyed by Clause's experiment.
The Xenoblade 1 world is created, and the remaining of the planet earth becomes Alrest the planet of xenoblade 2. Then the event of each game happen as we know them before the two worlds of xenoblade 1 and 2 fusing together.
Then we have the events of xenoblade 3 and mobius. At the end of that game, Origine restores the world and the xenoblade 1 and 2 worlds get fused together properly. Mira, the planet of xenoblade X still exists somewhere in the universe, and they will probably return to earth for something.
And that's how everything connects. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this is just my interpretation
Actually from what I’ve heard, these are just Easter eggs, nothing more, apparently the developers do this alot
if Mira is a completely seperate world then how is it that alot of the ruisn in mira, specifically oblivia, match some ruisn and architecture from shulk's world? specifically the massive rings and floatign islands that looks similar to alchamoth. it can't be that alchamoth or the high entia/telethia were secretly aliens the whole time since they were created specifically to help zanza purge the bionis of unwanted life so it could feed back into him. it's possible that the white wail came back around to earth eons after the events of all the games and crash landed
@@KeroKaminaX because they're just references, not the same exact world
@@laughinelf The post-credits scene implied otherwise, with how it put significance on that object falling toward the planet.
@@ltb1345 That falling object is more likely to be KOSMOS since at the end of xenosaga 3, she is seen floating back to earth (lost Jerusalem). It wouldn’t make sense for the planet to be mira since alrest is the original earth and it fuses back with the world of the bionis and mechonis after the events of xc3
Im gonna be 100 years old and turn on the radio to hear this, word for word, being said. And just audibly gasp saying, "WHAT THE SPARK!?"
All that was missing from that creepy walk through a normal looking town was the song of nephilim
The huh
@galewindx It's a spell from Xenosaga in the form of a song that summons gnosis (ghosts that take the form of alien whales) and drives people insane
This remix of Zanza’s theme is great
This means that This game is OFFICIALLY game #8 of 10 in their 10 gane masterplan that is duscussed in the Xenogears book...
THOSE GENIUSES!!! 👁👄👁
wasn't it actually just 3 games?
6 at most?
ok, books and shows would have also been included
well yeah could have changed over time
Hopefully the the xenoblade x trilogy is next explaining who the ghosts and the intergalactic federation are
1. Xenogears
2. Xenosaga
3. Xenosaga II
4. Xenosaga III
5. XCX
6. XC1+FC
7. XC2+Torna
8. XC3+FR
Is that right? I’m just learning about Xenoblade lore and wanna go back to play X and Saga if that’s the case
@@ashtoric Yes, Xeno X seems to be at the #8 spot though chronologically... 👍
@@Beavernator Actually, the lore of X kind of gose against Saga so it's hard to belive they could fit together.
Basically in Saga it confrimed that alien life simply dose not exist whitch gose against there being alien life in X.
Thats honestly INSANE.
For more context Monolithsoft is owned by Nintendo and a daugther company of Nintendo with the Xenoblade IP ownership being shared between Nintendo and Monolithsoft but not Bandai makeing Xenoblade a official first party Nintendo game series.
The Xenosaga IP on the other hand is owned by Bandai Namco and a small of it by Monolithsoft, making Xenosaga mostly a third party IP.
So Bandai allowing Monolithsoft and Nintendo to connect these two series is honestly insane and awsome.
Bandai Namco is btw also mentioned in the credits under special thanks, the relation between these three(Nintendo,Monolith,Bandai) is in general really good.
Can't wait to see what Xenoblade 4 or X2 will bring.^^
All we’re missing now is proper mentions of things from Xenogears.
It's there. The Philadelphia Class ship that can hold up to 1.5 million people at 5:19 is the ship from Xenogears.
@@thesilenthills6801 Let’s hope it didn’t carry a certain demiurgian superweapon…
@@thesilenthills6801 What's wild is that... that means the White Whale was the same class of ship as the Eldridge.
Huh, I don’t know how I never noticed that.
@thesilenthills6801 Its not the same ship that was mentioned in the radio but the Eldridge is indeed a Philadelphia class ship.
I'm really hoping this means they're working on a Xenosaga remaster and Xenoblade X DE. Though I don't think these references are canonical to either since the series is basically a multiverse with similar characters and events that happen with different outcomes in each universe. Heck the light at the end could be KOS-MOS, the Eldridge, the White Whale, or something completely new falling towards earth.
If they do remaster Xenosaga I can see them including a short epilogue episode 4 showing what happens when they reach earth, but I'm in the camp that's fine with the vague yet hopeful ending it left on. If anything I'd like them to remake Pied Piper and a Missing Year into short DLC length interquel episodes as well. If Bandai Namco is flipping the bill though I expect the bare minimum from them. Then again the Baten Kaitos remaster that they're releasing does look graphically enhanced, so maybe they got a Monolith Soft team to work on it.
I believe the relationship between Monolith, Nintendo, and Bandai Namco is still pretty strong right now so I don't see them having an issue with Monolith going back and fixing up their old work, heck maybe they'll bring Xenosaga 2 up to par with 1 and 3 since it was kind of a mess. I'm going to keep an eye out for a potential Xenosaga remaster announcement during one of the directs in the next year now that things are pretty open after the mainline Xenoblade series has concluded. It may not happen though so I won't get myself too hyped up for it to happen at each direct.
I do not doubt they will eventually give Xenoblade X the DE treatment. I just think the Switch can't handle the game with all the visual improvements they would be giving it, so it's definitely a Switch 2 exclusive IMO. It would be really nice to get some closure on that frustrating cliffhanger it has as well.
Square would be insane to not allow it... They could be like a smash bros. type scenario, where it's not about would have the rights, just that it's AWESOME...
Bandai Namco was in the credits for the DLC so something big can happen.
@@blairintheusa6613 I would not doubt that part of the deal of Namco working on Smash and a few other properties got them to allow use of Xenosaga... TEAMWORK FTW!!!
@@Beavernator Square basically has the complete rights to Xenogears so I can see them just doing the remaster out of the blue. I do think a HD 2D remake would be cool, but I don't think they'll do that for Xenogears.
@@blairintheusa6613 Yeah. Not to mention they've got the Baten Kaitos remaster coming out soon, so I think the chances of Xenosaga remastered happening is pretty good right now.
I did some math, and by that I mean I plugged in each year into a future calendar calculator. The years within 2000-2099 (IE 20XX, if Xenoblade 2 is to be believed) that have May 16th fall on a Wednesday are 2001, 2007, 2012, 2018, 2029, 2035, 2040, 2046, 2057, 2063, 2068, 2074, 2085, 2091, and 2096.
Remember the Xenoblade 10th Anniversary art that very prominently featured Elma and the White Whale? I think we need to discuss that again.
I guess a Xenoblade Chronicles 4 would use ideas from both Xenosaga and X.
So not making these games canon but making "remakes-fusion" that would be.
I don't see Takahashi showing this for random fan-service in an important cutscene.
Easter egg? Very much yes. But….maybe it IS very deliberate to tease what the team wants to do next, now that the whole Klaus and Conduit saga is finished and tied up. They obviously can’t straight up make Xenosaga 4 or whatever, UNLESS they get the rights but that’s a whole other topic. But maybe what they are doing is their own “Xenosaga.”
Or everyone is clueless and overlooking it and it’s gonna be the most probable thing: Xenoblade X storyline continued
Xenosaga is indeed officially canon in Xenoblade, but X is a bit shaky
I love the interpolation of "Sorrow" from episode 1 of Xenosaga referenced slightly
so
does that actually mean, the explosion at the beginning of X wasn't caused by the two alien-factions, but by Klaus?
and if yes, isn't that a big retcon by itself?
damn, when will the next game come out?
If xenoblade 3 came out in 2022 and xenoblade 2 came out in 2017,then the next game, realistically should come out in 2027
However, with them making xenoblade X Canon they may want to remake it so fans can experience it and since the white dot coming to the planet at the end of the dlc may be a hint at the white whale returning, so they may make a future connected type episode for a possible X remake that explains why that happens
This is all speculation, nothing confirmed, but either way it's an amazing time to be a xenoblade fan
Technically, those who boarded the White Whale didn't know that it was Klaus who destroyed the world, because from their perspective, it looked like the aliens were the ones to do it.
@@xenowarrior5692 Even more fuel to the white whale theory, I really want to see where the xeno series will be going in the future, this period where we digest the dlc and theory craft will be fun while we wait for the next release
So technically, you could say, Elma comes to Earth, warns people about other Aliens. Those alien races come to earth, on one hand to kill the human race, on the other hand, probably to obtain the Conduit.
The only problem with that is, Elma never mentioned the Conduit.
And Klaus likewise, never mentioned aliens.
@@Smexbi and the conduit is no more in the new world, the white whale coming back would be to see if there are any survivors on earth, which now is Aionios (or whichever name they'll give it) The aliens, as far as I know, wouldn't have any reason to come back
Of course this is all assuming that the white whale is the dot in space
Something doesnt add-up. They mention that the project will send out 10 million people into the great beyond, but X states that the lifehold core alone has 20 million people in it, not accounting for the potential other ships having millions of people in them too. Will they perhaps change that number in a port or is there something i'm missing here?
This does clearly clash with the lore of the other games, despite going out of it’s way to reference them. However, at this point I think it’s safe to say that Takahashi is cooking something.
Yeah there are a few things that I'm a little confused about. At the beginning of XCX earth completely explodes doesn't it? If Earth from XCX is Klaus's world then the planet would still be intact because in XC2 we can still see the ruins of his original world. In other words, if the earth explodes the way it did in XCX then we wouldn't be able to see those ruins in XC2 at all correct?
I want ethier XCX2 or XCX definite edition.
How about both?
just finished the DLC myself. Insane cutscene
FR
i loved this scene so much but man i wish there was a way to just listen to the radio alone with out needing to rewatch to read just the radio subs
I will not even be surprised if we see Krelian in the next game considering he ascended to the upper domain. Aka he’s in the same place as UDO and the wave existence. TAKAHASHI YOU MADMAN
So, is it safe to say that one of those large mother ships that can host 1.5 million people, one could be the ELDRIGE bringing Xenogears back on the mix?
The White Whale hosted 20 million though.
They mention Philadelphia class ship, a direct Xenogears reference to ships that the old humans used
No, the Xenogears ship didn't leave until thousands of years later. But by bringing Saga it's already connecting to Gears anyways so yes, it's all connected in the future.
This was before humanity colonized space and Deus was later created to end a very long interstellar war but ended up destroying a planet instead after making contact with the Wave Existence that made it believing itself to be God.
@@TheShanicpowerI get the confusion, but what Elma meant was that the Lifehold core held the DATA of 20 million; not actually 20 million.
The goal was to settle on a planet and recreate Earth life on it. Allowing the citizens “sleeping” in the Lifehold core to be revived and brought back when the planet they inhabit is ready for it.
the leaker samus hunter(i know they have a bad rep but all their info on xeno3 was right) stated in a tweet that they herd monolith was trying to connect x to the main trilogy, could this be the beginning of it?
Damn those city/neighborhood graphics make want a game like no more heroes but made it by monolith soft
It's happening guys. Stay tuned.
I wonder how many Xenosaga/Xeno X fans lost their shit here
Xenogears as well. They mentioned a Philadelphia class mothership and my mental breakdown only got worse lol.
Xeno excellence at it's highest order
@@CloisteredExplorerNot only that, but it also mentioned how it should carried at least 10 million people, and knowing how big the ship was in xenogear, it pretty much confirmed to be the same ship. That’s awesome, but also scary knowing their demise and the future leading up to Xenogear
Im not sure that all of this would tie Saga into Blade. From what i gathered by playing the Blade series, it seems like it is implied that the Zohar is not only a unlimited source of energy but also a Link between different universes, so possibly Saga and Gears could be nothing but alternate realities. The Dimitri Yuriev could be an alternate persona living in Klaus's universe or maybe, along with the Vector Logo, just a reference for long time fans. What i'm sure of is that this ending links Xenoblade X into all of this but the timeline of it is still unclear. Is it really plausible that the attack of the saviorite happens at the same time as the attack of the ganglion on earth? I have another theory:
Project EXODUS is a thing in both instances, meaning that it was an intended project to send people to space, whether the planet is attacked by the ganglion or not. In my opinion Klaus's experiment happened in another universe, separately from the ganglion attack. Xenoblade X takes place in a Planet that houses Nopons and very similar environments to Aionios. We know that Origin is a gigantic super computer that contains data from two worlds as well as every conscience of its inhabitants. From X, we know that after the white whale crashes onto Mira, The Lifehold is damaged and all the data of the inhabitans of the earth is lost, but somehow the Mimeosomes retained their memory, meaning that a backup of the data of the lifehold was stored also somewhere else. So where am i going with this? Simply put, Mira is either a creation of Origin, or, the successful fusion of both worlds from XB 1 and 2 after the two universes collide again ( because even after the two universes are recreated after the ending of the base game why would they not attract each other again?) which remained whole after the events of XB3. Whether Mira is a physical Planet or just a virtual world remains to be seen. The inhabitants of past Mira eventually become the samaarians who develop a technology that allows them to travel to other dimensions, most likely through the use of the conduit. They end up in a universe where the earth still exists and colonize it. Meanwhile earth goes through a similar timeline of events as the previous universe, only, this time Klaus's experiment does not take place, instead, the ganglion, a faction born from the samaarians, attacks the earth, project EXODUS has been rushed and repurposed after Elma warned the government of the imminent attack, the white whale escapes, is engulfed by a white light and crashlands on Mira in another universe, and all of the consciousnesses are uploaded into Origin.
Some will argue that the white light and the travel to another plane could be possibile only if Klaus's activation of the conduit and the Ganglion's arrival take place at the same time, but what if what Klaus did not only split his universe in two but also affected other universes? So the white light would still be the activation of the conduit but it was just activated in another dimension and transported the white whale and the ganglion pursuing it in the same universe where Mira is located.
Some mysteries still remain however: Why could everyone understand each other on Mira and why is Lao seen alive again at the end of it?
Before i wrote that Mira is either a physical planet OR a virtual world created from origin. In the latter case, it would mean that everyone retained their consciousness because their data was uploaded inside origin before the white whale crashed and by everyone i mean the earthlings as well as every other alien species we encounter on Mira. So basically, the white whale crashes in an inhabited planet created by origin, their memories are then stored inside it and a simulation is created for them for a reason i cannot explain. Lao at the ending of X is the real one awakened by the inhabitans of the real "Mira" who somehow recreated him by using his biological data stored in origin.
Well, this is the wild theory i came up with, i cannot wait to see how MIIKS explains what happens in Future redeemed.
They wouldn't show all of that very heavily important name and logo dropping in a very story heavy cutscene revolving around Klaus's world, which we knew little about just as a reference. Bandai Bamco is even mentioned in the the credits. It's official. Xenosaga is connected to Xenoblade
Hey this scene takes place on my birthday, May 16th!
Oh my god. It has the vector industries logo from Xenosaga.
This scene was so intense, i like theres foreshadowing event on XCX and Xenosaga
KOS-MOS is finally home ❤
I hope she is, really i hope. 💙
Absolutely insane how they retconned everything into the same universe
Retcon means they change and go against previously established lore which they haven’t here.
They haven't retconned anything.
There is no retcon and this is an easteregg, you won´t see a coherent conclusion to Xenogears or Xenoasaga within the Xenoblade franchise.
@@FelixS. its more then an easter egg, its canon and intergraded into the Zenoblade lore.
@@masteroflight7296 It is still just a large easteregg at this point up until Bandai Namco allows Takahashi to fully include the Xenosaga lore into this franchise and I don´t see it happen. Xenogears is even another case because the rights belong to Square Enix. Those are references to the perfect works concept, clearly, but it is nothing more than a nod to the fans aware of the circumstances. There won´t be a cohesive conclusion of all the Xeno-games imo. Even though I wish there would be.
Xenoblade 4 plot will be humans coming back to Earth now that it has returned…
@@kevingame3198 there's still so many mysteries on mira to cover though it'd be dumb for an x sequel to go back to earth
@@kevingame3198 I'm not saying it doesn't confirm its the same universe. I just think a sequel going straight back to earth would be wasted potential and a slap in the face to those wanting a follow up to the cliff hanger we got 8 years ago
@@kevingame3198 i don't think they've been actively working on an x sequel for 8 years
This is the same thing Takahashi always does. Stringing along Gears/Saga fans with easter eggs and references without ever giving them what they actually want.
Nah I'm pretty sure he's using characters and groups from Saga and X and putting them in the Klaus timeline. Either that or he's just connecting Saga
They really need to remake xenoblade chronicles x. It cool if they made xenoblade chronicles x past.
I didn't played xenosaga or xenoblade X and I don't mind getting spoilers so could someone please explain to me how exactly this connects?
@XenoWarrior So the timeline is Xenosaga then Xenoblade 1,2,3 and then Xenoblade X?
@@roct1156
Xenogears also fits in… somewhere. We don’t know if Takahashi has acknowledged it yet.
@@roct1156 no Xenonablade 1, 2 and X happen at the same time, then we have 3 connecting everything together
Basically there is planet earth where the events of the Xenosaga probably happend, colonizing the planet mira, at the same time clause is running his experiment with the conduit. Earth and all the ships except gets destroyed by Clause's experiment.
The Xenoblade 1 world is created, and the remaining of the planet earth becomes Alrest the planet of xenoblade 2. Then the event of each game happen as we know them before the two worlds of xenoblade 1 and 2 fusing together.
Then we have the events of xenoblade 3 and mobius. At the end of that game, Origine restores the world and the xenoblade 1 and 2 words get fused properly. Mira the planet of xenoblade X still exists somewhere in the universe.
@@marrysounds I understand now thanks.
Wasn't the Eldridge from Xenogear's opening a Philadelphia-Class ship, too?
Yes
Right, it was only mentioned in Perfect Works.
Xenoblade Chronicles really IS similar to Final Fantasy!
I mean, that was it was originally meant to be originally. The original script for Xeno was meant to be a proposed story for FFVII
Exactly my point.
For me, this is FAR better than Final Fantasy...
Good point.
@@zetamangads iirc it was meant to be a chrono trigger sequel even before that
A lot of people coping about the saga stuff being Easter eggs when it’s totally something important
So I get this ties in all the games, with some minor retcons, but I'm a little confused. It talks about the Saviorite rights program being potentially turned down, which we can infur is what leads to XB2, where the Saviorite Rebels are fighting the Coalition Government over the Conduit. We also hear about Project Exodus and how more ships are planned to be sent out soon, which we know happens at the start of Xenoblade X when the two alien factions show up and start fighting. So what, does all that happen on the same day when Klaus does his split? Or are they different timelines, where in one timeline the Saviorite Rebels attack and Klaus presses the button, while in another timeline the two alien factions show up and Project Exodus is launched?
So basically, assuming the different universes don't have some crazy timewarps and time flows the same:
Xenoblade X(Assuming no timetravel)
--Thousands of years later---:
Xenosaga I
Xenosaga II
Xenosaga III
-- Decades of thousands of years later---
Xenogears
-- Possibly millions of years later---
Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 --------------------- Xenoblade Chronicles (Another universe)
Xenoblade Chronicles : Future Connected (Another universe)
Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed (Chimera of the two universes)
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 (Another universe)
Did I get anything wrong? Also, did the conduit/zohar split themselves to there be three of them seemingly at the same time or were they three different monoliths the whole time?
Surprised how nobody seems to have commented here yet after the recent announcement of XCX:DE...
I think it would be more cool if a bunch of Gnosis start appearing before the final boss start.
Aren’t the dog beast basically gnosis
Clearly the flickering blue light descending on the merged planet is KOS-MOS.
Thank you i knew those names rang a bell
My dumbass was paying attention to the radio more than the cutscene and my ass was CONFUSED. Glad to know it’s a reference to every other Xeno game besides Chronicles
Depending on how the opening cutscene of X changes in a remake the Earthlife Colonization Project refernce is kind of anachronistic.
If you played X you know.
Nobody played X
X was my first Xeno game
@@Tharja-iBW Same. My only Xeno game so far.
@@NintendoSegaGuys so why are you at this video? Curiosity? Because if so you just got spoiled on something that would be an awesome revelation had you not seen this.
@@AstralXen I watched Nicob's let's plays for xc1 & xc2 (minus torna) because I don't have a switch and based on some end game spoilers I know about 3 I'm on the fence about the game in general.
i would have thought they'd link it to xenoblade X some how despite the lore being completely different. But linking it to Xenosaga.....
It looks like it was only 2 pocket dimensions 14:02
No that's merely Bionis and Alrest which finally combine correctly at the end to create Neo Earth. Klaus stated several times that there are multiple dimensions, so yeah it's far more than just those two.
I really tought this was either a Connection to the XENOSAGA series(remake/remaster) or connection to Xenoblade X. I really want Xenosaga it is my favorite JRPG, its not the best or anything but the story is AMASING.
both
I knew some of those names sounded familiar, but I didn't make the connection until now.
WE WON, LETS CONTINUE THE PUSH
#RemasterXenobladeX
We don't win anthing until Monolith stops making references and give us a game.
Because of a certain phenomenon, our world is on the path to destruction. The universe is slowly but surely being destroyed. No one can stop it, even if they had the power of God. But do not despair. There is one way to save this universe. If we are fated to die, then we shall stop our history at a certain point, and restart it. And we shall repeat that process, eternally.
-Wilhelm, explaining his belief to a young Kevin, Xenosaga 3. Concidences?????????
I'm just curious, wether Xenosaga is canon, or maybe they "re-imagin" Xenosaga. Basically same characters, with a simliar story-line, but more lore-friendly with Xenoblade.
Also what that new planet at the end is. Are now XC1 and XC2 worlds truely together without earsing each other?
I also don't quite understand HOW did that happen, since the end of XC3 doesent lead to that.
Not to mention, what is that thing at the end flying towards the new planet. At this point it could be anything.
I think it is most likely the Conduit, coming back. I also like the idea that the new planet is what we know as Mira, and that thing coming down is the White Whale. Or maybe similiar, since they mentioned that there are other ships, maybe that's a ship of one of those other colonies that left earth.
There are so many endless possiblities and I don't see anything more right or wrong than the other.
XC1, 2, 3, X, are all newcomer friendly, but I wouldn't mind if XC4 goes deeper into the lore and expect people to know about the previous games. But Ig that would hurt sales.
But Ig would prefer at this point to see a XCX2, before we get XC4.
Not to mention, there is also a chance we might not even get a sequel to any of those games, but a prequel.
Idk, but they talk so much about Klaus' world, it just makes me wonder what happend there and wether or not we might experience it for ourself. Not to mention, the picture "siblings" in XC3. Which shows people from before the time of XC1/2 even. In that painting you also quiet literally see a more old-school type of mage. Considering that Xenosage went so far back, to times of Jesus and such, I wouldn't be suprised to see something similiar again.
Both The Zohar and The Conduit in the wikis description said that both objects was found in the 21st century, in AFRICA. But with the Zohar was very specific, this, to be found in Lake Turkana, Kenya, Africa. Thus Earth was alive back then. Either Takahashi is reimagine saga into blades lore, OR, there could be some strong story connections between these universes that we don't know yet.
my hope is that they remaster Xenosaga I&II from the DS with the adapted script to fit XC lore. or just remake Xenosaga in FE7REMAKE style, so they can do the story with a nopon or 2 around- give shion a nopon assistant or something, but same story.
Ohh, ok. So that’s what that was. I was wondering, but I couldn’t be sure.
So they connected all the xeno games into one universe now?
No. It's just fan service. The Xeno series has been doing the same thing since forever. The series are not connected.
Yes, with all of the lore dumped, and with the post credits scene, we can very safely assume Xenosaga and Xenoblade take place in a shared universe.
@@owenitzura Welp, after this scene you are proved wrong.
@@owenitzura Shut up
@@owenitzura X is definitely connected. Project exodus is mentioned by name ,and even the date of the departure of one of the white wales is the same, July.
Hopefully one day we will get a Gears connection too!!! .. right Gears fans..?
I mean they did mention a Philadelphia class mothership which is the same class as the Eldridge from Xenogears.
Philadelphia class mothership
It's right there bruv, the Eldridge is explicitly mentioned.
What was that light we see in the end?
It was either kos mos (check Xenosaga 3 after credits scene) or something that leads into the plot of the 4th game. Or both 😂
@@YungTimeWeaver Or it could be Elma arriving to Earth
@@dantelawrence4676 maybe but I doubt it
anyone know what song Na'el was playing on the piano?
a piano rendition of the ending theme of future redeemed
@@laughinelf oh you're right! i couldn't hear it properly at first. thank ye stranger!
No joke, that light at the end may be White Whale, Xenoblade and Xenoblade X don't seem to be related, but what if that planet at the end was actually Mira??
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It seems like everything is pointing towards it being Kosmos
X is not cannon to the main xenoblade universe. Which is why Telethia exist there even though they can only exist in the xenoblade 1 world.
@@erbsenkriegerthe audacity to say this in a video whose radio explicitly nentions the Coalition government, the Earthlife Colonization Project and Project Exodus. What is canon and what is not, what will be changed to fit and what will not, is entirely on Monolith Soft willing to do or not. All we know here is that, explicitly, X and Saga are mentioned the same amount of times. What will be part of the same continuity and what has to be done for that is with them, not we with our currently limited knowledge of the full lore, so don't make statements as if you knew what they are going to do.
@@joebilly3719you're right, but from what we understand, Xenoblade X literally can't fit in the Klaus timeline. The Earth in X was literally blown to chunks of rock, and of course, the alien war was happening, while in the Klaus timeline, it was a civil war with the Saviorite Rebels. I personally believe that Monolithsoft is re using characters and groups from Saga and X and putting them into the Klaus timeline
So all the games are connected.
Yes, its also the first time i know where a first party IP is connected to a third party IP.
THIS is the Xenoblade 3 we needed and deserved
Yeah, no. This is great as DLC and supplement to the main game, which stands on its own, but 100+ hours of "hey, thing from past game! Hey, this character is related to another character" would be extremely obnoxious.
@@barrykane7844 Especially when XC3 is about turning your back to the past and walking towards the future...
You are all wrong. Xenoblade 3 is simply peak kino even without the DLC, but even MORE KINO with the DLC.
Xenoblade 3 was always peak fiction
@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 This isn't an opinion, it's factual information
Grove Street in xenoblade
Plz tell me this means xenosaga remake could be a thing
Can some explain perfect works to me please
Welcome home, KOS-MOS.
Zero chance they will add Xenosaga or Gears into Blade. That's way too much combined lore for a modern audience to catch up on and would make Kingdom Hearts look like a picture book.
Dimitri and the Vector logo are def just easter eggs.
The Project Exodus, ECP and human rights debates however are just screaming Xenoblade X-2
Finally someone who gets it.
That’s what i think too. Putting hype, bias, and fan service aside, this is the most logical conclusion.
The Saga/Gears stuff are just fun easter eggs to show “yep, we did make those and remember them, and have enough rights to at least mention things by name and have cameos,” but that’s all they are. Easter eggs and cameos. They cannot make more Gears or Sagas without the rights, which they don’t have. But they can at least get permission from Square and Bandai to put easter eggs….which is exactly what we see here lmao.
BUT, Xenoblade X is all Monolith soft’s, which means THOSE references and easter eggs are MORE than just that. Said time and time again, The Klaus saga from Xc1-3 and the DLCs is finished. The next logical step, and story-wise too, is to continue the X saga.
I think that whatever the hell the blue thing flying towards the (FINALLY after 3 whole games and DLC ffs) rejoined and normal world , is something to do with X. One of the ships? An escape pod? Elma herself? Something else from that games world and lore? Idk. But it’s SOMETHING from X
If The Legend of Heroes can pull it off, so can Xeno.
Monolith wouldn't ask Nintendo of all people to consult with Bandai to get allow them to do all this in FR if it wasn't absolutely essential. Time and time again they've mentioned the existence of multiple universes/galaxies/dimensions that were created after Klaus destroyed Earth and activated the Zohar and the existence of a higher entity that oversees all of it.
Takahashi himself literally states that with Future Redeemed fans can imagine what lies ahead for the future of Xenoblade and this cutscene is easily the most important piece of information we have gotten. This isn't fan service to some obscure past work, it's setup for the next saga of Xenoblade whatever that might entail.
"That's way too much combined lore for a modern audience to catch up on"
You have 3-5 years till the next saga to do what I did leisurely for around 6 months, it's only 4 games anyways. (Gears and Saga 1-3), if you care about everything Xeno, then it's there for you.
@@ZephyrK_ Xenosaga was a commercial failure 18 years ago, and Xenoblade was created by Takahashi and his team to start anew when morale was low.
This isn't the first time Monolith asked for IP usage for Easter eggs as legal discussions to negotiate even Kos-Mos as a blade would have started long before XC2 was finished.
Monolith has already stated that they hope to go back to X after they finish 3, and although words aren't many ways without action, only time and official announcements will tell.
The conduit is not the same as the Zohar. In the same way, the Zohar is not the same as the Zohar/Zohar modfier. They are merely echoes of previous designs, but each serves its own purpose. There is a reason why it's a different name entirely because the narrative subject, source material, and tone of both Xenosaga and Xenoblade are night and day different. You could NEVER combine the story of these games without massive rewrites, retcons, or remixes, and even then, the contrast between both would still be too great.
Xenoblade is a typical modern JRPG with common concepts of multicultural gods, magic, and monsters you see today in most ways of easily consumable fantasy media. It's called the Conduit because it's meant to convey power or energy, which is its purpose in XC2.
Xenosaga is a retelling/remix of the Bible, later set in space with extreme philosophical & religious context. It's called the Zohar because Zohar is a foundational work in the literature of the Jewish Kabbalah. The Zohar contains discussions of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of the Ego to Darkness, and the "true self" to "The Light of God."
You tell me how you're going to bring both of those together and keep a casual audience invested who are enjoying Nopon shenanigans now they have to understand and learn the meaning behind stuff like the Lemegetton, Carl Jung, Nietszche, and the Path of Sephirot???
Yuriev!
Yeah, I'm gonna say it.
FR should've been the main game. XB3 should've been the DLC. Hate me all you want, but what this sets up is just way too important to be delegated to a DLC campaign.
I assume they just didn't want to make a full game that would require fans to have played the other games first. It makes sense for them to make a more accessible main game, and a dlc for the more dedicated fans
Lol people just like having things to complain about. This being DLC or not changes basically nothing
That would not have worked. It would have been a Ready Player One Xenoblade game full of references and lore dumps that requires people to catch up on 2 other 100hr long games and their DLC/Side Stories.
Im glad this was DLC
only scene that impressed me in the whole of XC3 but damn did it impress me
this dlc was just fan service no real lore to back up xenosaga
I would agree if this was a throwaway scene. This is the most important section in the dlc, they want us to listen to the radio for info on the world before.
fully disagree, if the radio played in the background and you could find it and listen to it, maybe it could be written off as nothing more than an easter egg, but the radio was prevalent throughout this vital scene AND would be brought into focus multiple times putting greater emphasis on it as if the director wanted us to hear it. Things like that aren't done for a simple Easter or fan service so whatever was spoken on the radio can very well be taken as canon.
@@Diakyu exactly, they put a lot of emphasis on the radio throughout that scene, that wouldn't happen for some simple fan service and Easter eggs
@@samzadeh2518 the thing is how they are gonna connect all of this...
xenoblade X is virtually imposible to happen in klaus world, there is no way all the saviorite thing could happen when ALIENS ARE COMING, without mentioning leaving behind your most powerfull enery source in the planet you plan to abandon.
the same thing goes for xenosaga, the Zohar is present in multiple planets, so it cant be the conduit (supposing they are the same thing) because the latter stayed on earth.
I theorize that klaus world got separated into 3, the original for xeno 2, the pocket dimension for xeno 1, and a portal to a paralel world for xeno x. The saviorties (a more radical faction of the humans) are the ancestors that are constantly mentioned in xeno x lore, the ones who are the originators of humanity. I say that the earth we see in xeno x is just the earth of that paralel world, meaning they could not go back to their original earth, so they tried to ''recreated'' in their earth. So that leaves you with a type of klaus original world in another earth were the aliens DO attack, and that is the reason why they also have proyect exodus, the ancestors wanted to recreated EVERYTHING from the OG earth (maybe they vanish of self erase their memories for not ruin it again?).
for xenosaga i see the need of a remake to change somethings to really tie the story, but if done right, that means that xenosaga chapter 3's end, when kos-mos is falling to earth, is exactly what we see at the end of xeno 3, she falls to lost jerusalem, the one who now is united one again.
also that explains why they didn't fin lost jerusalem, the conduit was distorting earth space-time continuity until that moment.
this is gonna be a WILD RIDE
@@samzadeh2518 It is still just a large easteregg at this point up until Bandai Namco allows Takahashi to fully include the Xenosaga lore into this franchise and I don´t see it happen. Xenogears is even another case because the rights belong to Square Enix. Those are references to the perfect works concept, clearly, but it is nothing more than a nod to the fans aware of the circumstances. There won´t be a cohesive conclusion of all the Xeno-games imo. Even though I wish there would be.