ASL? PSE?? SEE???
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Hey guys! I wanted to clear up some of the differences between the main three types of sign language (used in the US). If you've got a question about something, leave it below and I'll do my best to answer!
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Now I'm not deaf of anything like that but what you said about your neighbors staring and slowing down in their cars made me start thinking. That's what it's like for the deaf everyday it's nothing to be ashamed of and people are most of the time just curious but that's just funny to me how ASL and signing gets anyone stared at, if that makes sense at all. Thanks so much for the video!! It helps a lot
But she is recording herself with a camera in her driveway... I think they would stare even if she wasn't signing hahaha
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Most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD!
This is awesome! Thanks for making this!! Also, from what I understand signing songs in ASL is different than using it in conversation. Songs involve a lot of visuals and acting out things. Its not just signing the technical meaning of the words. The reason people teach that is because ASL has idioms like any other language and often English idioms don't translate into ASL. like calling someone a "chicken" makes sense in English... but its an idiom so you wouldn't sign it in ASL even though most ppl would understand from learning written english. Which is why PSE is really used and understood by many. Also in songs you can use Clarifiers and facials to represent metaphors and act out the lyrics instead of signing the words. Like is you want to say "he walked passed me" You can use a person CL and show him walking past you instead of signing the words.
Sorry for the long post :P Love the video
Oh yeah that's a really good point! Songs and stories and jokes and stuff are definitely signed differently than normal conversation(: and hey nothing wrong with a long post! Haha thanks(:
People are so annoying constantly criticizing your preference when it comes to signing. You are totally right & this IS a real language. Clearly people should know their facts before giving their two cents. You're an awesome signer, I am a teacher for the Deaf & we are required to implement SEE in order to help our students achieve better reading and writing skills. Which is extremely beneficial to their academic careers. When it comes to social interactions if you don't like SEE or PSE: DONT USE IT! Use ASL! I totally get that ASL is the language first learned and used by the Deaf community but theres no reason for others to bash different signing systems just because they don't agree with it. Just know, you're awesome, and some people clearly have nothing better to do than sit behind their screens going around trying to make others feel like shit.
Estefania Cantu agreed
I almost quit learning cause I’m learning sign like she does it... but people are saying that nobody uses it and it’s wrong
I think the PSE should be taught to hearing students in elementary/junior high schools so that they can communicate with deaf people better, and then they can learn ASL in high school/college if they want to. Since ASL uses completely different syntax, it is more difficult to learn, but if you learn the basic signs and can structure your signs in a comprehensive way for both yourself and deaf people, it's easier to learn the syntax used in ASL later on. I want to be able to communicate with deaf people. Most deaf people that I know appreciate the effort I have taken to learn sign language, and don't really care that I use a different syntax most of the time.
shashaxmarie get well soon, love ♥️
shashaxmarie theres a way to say things, & I always will choose kindness. Sorry you disagree. Xoxoxo
Based on the title of your video I was prepared to discount your video as uninformed. After listening to what you said, your description was pretty good. There is one important factor that is often confusing for hearing people on the differences. Hearing people see hands moving and assume it is all one language. The most important factor to keep in mind is ASL is a language. SEE and PSE are not languages. SEE and PSE are codes used to represent another language, English.
SEE was developed as a tool for those fluent in ASL to help them learn English grammar with an emphasis on suffixes and prefixes. Sadly that is not how it is used today, much to the detriment of Deaf education.
PSE (Pigeon Signed English) is often more comfortable for hearing people, learning ASL, because it is still a form of English but using a visual modality (the hands). Pigeon languages are a linguistic term used when two language groups meet and communication is required. They develop a mixed form of both languages to help communicate in a limited setting. Pigeons are not languages. One good example is the slang term of Spanglish for a Spanish English Pigeon
ASL is a full living language with a complex grammar and history. Once you learn the language is it much easier and faster to express complex abstract concepts using ASL, than trying to convey the same information in the two systems mentioned above.
One last thought. If you would like improve your signing in the videos, you need to stop using your voice. The human brain is not capable of processing two languages simultaneously. Check out the research by VL2 at Gallaudet or by Karen Emmorey at the Salk Institute for the facts on this. Or for those who are research challenged, try writing a letter in French while speaking it in English. If you want to sign in ASL, then drop the English and you will find you improve rapidly in your ability to sign.
Remember ASL = LANGUAGE
Other signed systems in USA = not a language
Hope this met your criterion of commenting "nicely"
Haha that did meet my criteria of "nicely". I should have mentioned that ASL is an official language while the others are not, but I didn't think to, so thank you for mentioning that.
The only thing is that I can not stop speaking in my videos, the majority of my viewers are hearing and do not know sign language, therefore that wouldn't make much sense for me to do haha. I'll try to practice my signing elsewhere though, without speaking. Thanks for the feedback
thedailysign This is totally a year late but if you're able to you could always sign and do a voiceover or caption it for the hearing crowd(I'm part of the hearing crowd-currently learning ASL in college). You sign and speak beautifully at the same time so you probably don't need to though
Although da Vinci could write Latin with his left hand and Greek with his
right hand simultaneously. Of course, though, as we all know, Leonardo da Vinci
wasn't of this earth. (MAJOR LOL on that one! Just like Raquel Welch not aging in
Earth's atmosphere :))
Technically, the definition of language includes spoken or written words as a mean of communication. And on the other hand if we redefine language as "a way of communication" all form of sign languages fell into this category. ASL is an official language and the others aren't - that's the main difference when it comes to definition.
And I have to disagree with you about "The human brain is not capable of processing two languages simultaneously". The brain is definitely not used to doing that and it requires a lot of training but it's definitely possible. Take simultaneous interpreter as the best example: They are hearing one language as the same as speaking in another one - and both have to mean the same thing. And there are sign language interpreters who can definitely talk and sign at the same time.
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Thanks for the clarification
I learn something new
SEE sounds really.... clunky
ASL feels the most comfortable in my experience, but I can see why PSE might be easier to learn for English speakers.
my question is: Does SEE have much use outside of education? It looks like it can help for learning English THROUGH ASL, but that's all I can think of.
Raymond Chin no not many actually deaf people use SEE, as many don't actually know "proper" English wording etc. It generally confused deaf people, as essentially no one I've met who signs uses SEE, unless they are just starting off and want to segway into PSE or ASL
Back when I was in Elementary school...SEE was more popular but now these days ASL is more commonly used. I know both ASL and SEE. I am hard of hearing and was recommended to learn SEE when I was in Elementary school. I didn't take ASL until college.
I mainly sign SEE but I intermix ASL and SEE when I sign songs, But when I'm around my deaf friends I sign ASL.
Im not incorrect, that's my personal experience with SEE, yours may be different. So far the few deaf people i have talked to have told me they don't like using SEE as it is a word for word translation that is sometimes difficult to interpret unless they have quite good prior knowledge of the English language. Im not tryna spread bs, just speaking from what i've seen/experienced as im sure you are too. Two different people, two different experiences ;)
Because of you and your channel, my friend and I are going to start learning PSE together starting 2017
+Tory Burns awesome!!
Tory Burns it is now 2020 how far have you come
Laila Davenport yeah i wanna know
3 years later, how are you guys doing?
we’re all here in 2020 how’s it going
+Charli-Anne Hanna-Baker oh awesome, I totally don't mind you showing my videos(: I actually started an ASL Club this year too, and I'm just starting off with the basics really. Like the first meeting we did the alphabet and numbers 1-10. So just keep it simple to start(:
I have been trying to create a best buddies club at Salem state university since I was involved back in high school. Maybe I might start up an ASL club too if and when I learn it all.
Just because you are not fluent in a language nor know someone who speaks the language (in person specifically) does not mean that you do not know anything about the culture. Just like you can educate yourself online about a language or just a general subject that you could learn in school, you can educate yourself on culture. You learn about different cultures in school in history classes, but you don't know anyone from those time periods or those countries, does that mean you have any right to tutor someone about the culture? Yes, you can, because you learned about it and you have the knowledge and you are not going to maliciously teach them something incorrectly. It is better to spread knowledge and understanding than it is to ignore the existence of something different and unknown.
Mona Mehrpour so what I'm hearing is my teacher who taught me Spanish but isn't from a Spanish speaking country wasn't permitted to teach me this language because she knows nothing firsthand about the culture?
Mona Mehrpour you’re stupid, kinda glad your deaf tbh
+Melanie Azevêdo I use aslpro.com and spreadthesign.com to learn signs, and glad this helped!
+Aicha♥Owens if you are going to learn it, learn Asl. it's its own language, so it will be harder, but for actually communicating with Deaf people and other ASL speakers, it's better. :)
+Aicha♥Owens Of course
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+thedailysign Since I'm watching and learning PSE from you I'm pretty good at it, but some videos I watch is ASL and I get confused. If i accidentaly sign PSE signs in the ASL order do you think people would still understand me?
I've always wanted to learn ASL, especially because I want to have a job where I interact with people and have met deaf/hard of hearing people and have encountered that barrier before. It's a very difficult thing and I refuse to give up. However, I had begun teaching myself PSE without even realizing it. I understand/understood the whole syntax situation(similar to Spanish) but didn't have the time or knowledge to teach myself that way without getting confused. Watching your videos and learning with songs is a great idea that I never even considered before. Thanks to you I know how to study a new language better. And your videos are beautiful and teach people about the importance of ASL in America.
Hey thank you so much, and it's so wonderful that you're learning!!(:
I'm currently having the the same problem! I was learning through songs and thought I was learning ASL, but was actually learning PSE... did you continue learning PSE, or did you make the switch to ASL and learning proper syntax? I don't know what I should do!
I was raised learning PSE Because I'm half deaf and I love a lot of your videos.. you're a wonderful signer!! Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
I didnt even know PSE till I saw a video of yours, and now youre telling me there is actually three... aha sweet
There's also B ASL - Black ASL, developed when there was still segregation in America. I guess you could call it a dialect, but it's different from ASL.
At school im learing ASL so I understood this and it helped me out. I use PSE with my friends bc it's easier. Like i can sigh "WHAT ARE IX-YOU DOING" instead of "IX-YOU DOING WHAT IX- YOU"
You are exactly what i was looking for in explaining the difference of these three signs. Reading it was one thing but having you provide visual examples was exactly what I needed. Thank you so much. :)
+Brenda Franklin awesome I'm glad!
+Lily Adelman to be an interpreter, you must learn ASL to be successful, but interpreters may use PSE and SEE sometimes, depending on the situation and client. If you become an interpreter, though, and you're self-taught so far, you'll need to go to college for it
I know this is a few months old video of yours, but this one was perfect!
Every country have different Sign Languages. I come from Sweden. I learned the basic of the Swedish one but I changed it to ASL and PSE. I prefer PSE, because it feels easier since it's almost exactly like the speaking and writing grammar of English. But still I learn ASL because more are familiar with it and understands it better..
Ah yeah I gotcha(:
Very helpful!! Your dexterity is positively amazing!!! Thx!
Thanks!
I think it's great that you're learning American Sign Language! I grew up learning sign language from my father, who is deaf, and my mother, who is hearing. My preferred style is PSE, but I can also sign SEE and I'm getting used to ASL. Growing up as a CODA and moving into adulthood, I am continuously expanding my horizons with deaf culture and I'm growing an everlasting appreciating for sign language. Keep up the good work!
oh okay i gotcha, that's awesome(:
Hey! :) Just one thing! PSE DOES NOT use ASL grammar. PSE uses English word order with ASL signs. You also signed "progress" instead of "order."
PSE: me go story tomorrow buy cat food.
ASL: tomorrow story me go why? buy cat food. OR / tomorrow me go store why? buy cat food.
SEE: I am go*ING*(endings have signs too. you don't need to finger-spell it) to the store tomorrow to buy cat food.
ASL grammar is..... Time/Topic/Comment/Negatives.
PSE is ASL signs in English order.... but WITHOUT are/is/the/it which are SEE signs.
In SEE you also initialize beautiful, pretty, handsome etc...
I don't understand how it doesn't use ASL grammar? I understand PSE has it's own syntax, but as far as showing tenses, etc. it's the same as ASL, correct?
+thedailysign Nope, not in my understanding.
ASL: yesterday store me go/yesterday me go store.
PSE: me go finish store yesterday.
English: I'm headed to the beach when school gets out tomorrow.
ASL: tomorrow beach I go happen school finish/tomorrow I go beach happen school finish
PSE : When school finish tomorrow I go beach./tomorrow when school finish I go beach.
+thedailysign the reason PSE even exists is because Hearing people were signing ASL signs in English order to communicate with Deaf people, but didn't know the grammar! :p it's a pidgin language.
Oh okay I understand more now, and I'm aware it's a pidgin language lol, sorta in the name
+thedailysign glad i could help a bit! lol and just for people who see this if I am wrong about something here, let me know! :) This is just my understanding of it.
Asl is the same as pse but the order is different
+Lucy Crew basically
thedailysign
Also, the concepts are incorrect with PSE and SEE.
no, it's not.
@@ambrawatson3444 incorrect?
And SEE
I'm in 7th grade, and i LOVE sign language. My friend Kassie showed me your channel before she moved, so I checked it out. I love it and I love you very much! I want to take the sign class in high school, so I want to learn to carry on a conversation first. Thanks so much!
+Haley Clark hey awesome!
thedailysign a year later and i'm now interpreting for deaf people
in my community! not formally taught, but i am starting classes!
+Julie Sprayberry glad I can help!
I love your channel. I've been subbed to you for years, at least 4 years. Please don't delete these videos. You are very talented and a lot of your viewers appreciate that about you and are learning from you.
do you sign in your daily life? (as in when youre speaking to your hearing friends and not on camera?)
nope
LOL, when I was in grad school, I worked as an intern in a deaf/heard of hearing preschool, and would often sign along with speaking to my boyfriend (now husband)...who did not use sign.
when i was 2 i wasn't talking like a toddler should so my family and I had to learn ASL and i had to use ASL everywhere I went luckily at the school I went to they knew ASL so they understood me. when i was 4 or 5 I was finally talking like I should. Now I learn PSE because my sister showed me your videos and I starting to learn from them and now I can't stop watching your videos. When I go to high school next year I am hopping to take a ASL class because I think ASL and PSE is a beautiful language and I love doing it. Thank you for posting your videos I love learning from you.
I am learning ASL and Spanish at the same time and the word order or sentence structure in both of these languages is in the opposite order in English. so its becoming more natural to say a sentence backwards or in a different order.
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm a native English speaker, learning Spanish in school, and ASL on my own time. ❤️💟☮☯
Catelyne Goodniss thank God im not alone!!
Yeah, yay! Similarities! 😉
haha I got you
Megan, sigues aprendiendo español?
Glad I found your channel again. Most sign language channels use/teach ASL and I always used PSE. Just watching this video helped me remember many signs that aren't generally used in ASL. Example - "the" and "to". I had a number of deaf friends back in the 80s into the very early 90s, but lost connection with them when I married and moved away from the area. "Use it or lose it" is definitely true with sign language. Now I can move forward. Thanks.
That's awesome you learned everything you know on the internet! You sign like a pro! I am not a signer but want to learn.
She signs like someone who has been very dedicated to learning vocabulary from the internet. Which is to say, not as well as someone who is able to take an actual ASL class, so not a pro. But she is understandable even if her production (sign "pronunciation") is rather off due to not having learned in person.
Ali McManus given she can't learn anywhere but from the Internet I think she's doing pretty good.
I'm learning sign language because I work with a mentally disabled woman who is deaf. Her sign language differs from regular ASL because every person has a dialect and does things differently but when I started to learn I just fell in love with learning the language and now here I am, obsessed with ASL Covers and learning basic sign.
Well I think it's awesome you're learning(:
My foster sister taught me most of the sing language I know and I use a mix of all three of these. Because I'm not deaf I sign full sentences (ex. I go to the store) but she signs I go to store, she writes that way and 'talks' that way too. When she talks to family who doesn't understand her I am the one who 'translates' it to them.
oh alright i gotcha!
You've inspired me to start learning sign languages, for everyday I'm learning at least one sign language (if that makes sense) I've only started yesterday, and I know two :) I've chosen to use PSE. Thank you for explaining it, and inspiring me and many others❤️☺️
+Dalya Alayadh aw hey that's awesome!
Libbey I felt that your videos really do helped me a lot! can you do a video of some vocabs that usually used in our daily lives? I'm really interested in learning. thanks,love you xoxo.
i've got a couple basic vocab videos
thedailysign I've watched it! thanks Libbey! great inspiration ❤
I recently learned that I got a sign language class for 7th grade, and I think this channel will really help me get prepared!
that's aweosme
+xoxo Emmalee I've been learning for 2 years, but it depends on how much work you put into it
I been trying to teach myself ASL from videos I find on youtube and I learn a little about SEE. Your channel taught me what PSE is and I know have more of an understanding of ASL, PSE, and SEE and how different they are so thank you for that.
hey i'm glad!
Can a person who is deaf understand pse? Or would it make them confused?
BrianaLynn7 she said in the video that most deaf people would
Yes, but it's considered bad grammar.
BrianaLynn7 I am CODA, which stands for Child of a Deaf Adult. I learned Sign Language, my preferred style is PSE. My father, who's my deaf father, married my mother, who's a hearing woman. He adapted to PSE signing, which is what my mother and I use. PSE isn't completely different from ASL. Most, if not all, deaf people can understand both PSE and SEE. It's ASL in a different syntax and style they're used to.
Hope that helped!
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I'm taking ASL in college and had to write a discussion post on the difference between the three and found your video. Thanks so much it was awesome! And go you for teaching yourself!
You are to funny. At the end you crack me up. Now I get th difference between ASL and PSE, I NEVER even heard of SEE signing before.
Same
Thanks for helping me understand. You have helped me learn more with PSE, knowing now that I'm loving hearing in my left ear.
I know you can't do all the song requests but if you have time and want to, can you do colors by Halsey?
Personally, this all makes sense to me. Your "I go to the store" example was pretty clear. It's like ASL is more focused on the signs, PSE is trying to make it feel like speech, but there's still no need for "the" and such, but SEE is basically what you said, "English with your hands."
+themelonsoup exactly(:
What I find most interesting of this video is that somewhere somebody's neighbors had to be confused as hell as to why the non-deaf hearing girl has been in the driveway for the past hour signing to a camera lol.
This was SO HELPFUL and informative! Thank you very much. I am currently teaching o of my 13 grandchildren how to sign! It's REALLY tapping into the sign language I learned as a teenager! God bless you!
PSE seems to make much more sense for people who are hearing and learning sign language, and ASL seems to make more sense for people who are born deaf and ASL is their main way of communication. Both are valid, and from what I could see in your demonstration, it looked like it's not hard to pick up on any (including SEE) if you know the basic signs. I think I'd be more comfortable with PSE but I'm learning ASL from a deaf teacher so I suppose I'm getting the more "formal" route.
exactly(: all are great in their own respects
Nah, PSE is mostly used to improve English grammar in deaf people.
I love that you have taken it upon yourself to learn and make videos using the language. I, myself, am fluent in ASL and enjoy your songs, but sign a lot of mine completely different. You are very skilled considering you are self taught. Good job. I love people who want to help the Deaf Community.
thank you
Just curious, how long did it take you to learn ASL/PSE?
+xCielx I've been learning for three years
p.s. Your humility is endearing, the people slowing down to look are highly attracted to the charismatic element of someone expressing very REAL, in a driveway in front of the garage. It's a rare sight. I suspect it is appreciated more than you may ever know. You open a door of possibility . Keep up the good works.
I thought I signed ASL but I use regular spoken English syntax so I guess I sign PSE
yup(:
Thank you so much for this! It helped me a ton!
I've always been interested in sign language and picked up some words here and there... BUT I went to a one-week sign language camp on my island last month and learned a ton more. (I live in The Bahamas, by the way. Here they teach Sign English at the Deaf School but the lady who signs for the news uses ASL). Although they taught us ASL, they did say that they sign mostly pidgin (which from watching this I learned now is PSE) and it's what I end up signing most of the time. My biggest trouble is definitely facial expressions (which I know is HUGE in sign language...) but seeing how you've taught yourself and how good you are at it now, it really motivates me to get on the ball learning as well!
I'm going to definitely check out those links!
+2timothy17girl thanks and it's so great you're motivated to learn and improve(:
pse makes more sense to me
Mara Bellestri r u draf? Just asking
Lara Knijff I don't think she's draf
you inspired me to learn sign language so that i could understand my surrounding better. I don't personally know any deaf or mute people, but i always get fascinated when i see people talking in sign language. I know its rude to stare but its just fascinating. I think that learning sign language would be very helpful for everybody at some point in life. Im gonna start learning as soon as i have free time. Keep doing what you love girl, you're very good at it.
ASL syntax is honestly far more easier than English syntax. I guess it depends on how well you can follow the rules in the syntax. I was fluent in ASL after about a year of learning it from school, but there were still a lot of people who didn't get it.
yeah different people are good at learning different types of things, so it'll be easy for some and difficult for others
Thank you for teaching me something new. And I'm so happy your channel grows so fast. You deserve it.
I'm glad I helped(: and thanks!
Can you sign human by Christina Perri and a tutorial please ☺️
I'm learning ASL right now and it's a beautiful language and I want to thank you for being one of my inspirations with learning sign.
It’s awesome you’re learning!
‘Store, I go!’ Okay Yoda 😂 Kidding this is great.
I showed my coworkers this video. I work for a company that helps the deaf and hearing community be brought closer. And one thing you just need to work on is palm orientation. And the space you use with your hands :) it will help you in the long run. :) love your videos!
Thanks for the tip! I appreciate it(: and thank you!
+thedailysign no problem:) I just wanted tohelp you
awsome sorry lol I missed this 1 but keep up the good work girl😊❤
+Kaitlynn Brinda thanks
OMG that is the best explanation. I found a deaf RUclipsr who is from the UK and uses Sign Assisted Speech and this was the first time I had heard about different types of sign (Non english speaking signs languages I new existed) So I been combing the internet trying to find out if the US had a SAS version and I came up with PSE SEE and of course ASL and I wasn't sure what the difference was until this video I couldn't make heads or tails of any of it. Thanks so much for making this video
I've been in the community of deaf and mute people for about 6 years. Not once have I ran into anyone in my time who has ever used PSE or SEE, other than people who are hearing. I would very much encourage people to learn ASL. It tends to be a bit more confusing to learn, but once you have a basic understanding I can promise you it isn't hard at all. When I talk to deaf and mute people who use ASL they always tell me that they sometimes can get offended from when others use PSE to speak to them. ASL is their language, their world. PSE is what hearing people made up so it was easier on THEM to learn the language. When talking to someone who cannot talk back or hear you, it's you're responsibility to learn and understand their way, rather than your own. I'm not trying I call you out or be rude to you about this because yes you have self taught and wouldn't know better, so that is very okay. But for anyone wanting to get into learning ASL, learn real ASL. And don't learn from people on the internet, learn from a class, or school or even a certified book. There is lots and lots of false information on RUclips who don't know the correct use of ASL language. Do not take the easy way out and learn PSE. If anyone thinks differently about this, be nice. The only way I'll be able to see it from you're side is if you're being civilized :)
Anonymous I don't use the word mute for deaf or hard of hearing, there are people who aren't able to speak and so they use ASL to communicate. And I totally agree with bridging the gap between deaf and hearing people, but like how I had said, it's kind of the "easy way out" for hearing people to learn how to communicate with them. It is a very different situation to where if a child grew up with the use of PSE and that's how they had always communicated it wouldn't be disrespectful to the deaf community, because it'd be all they know. All in all i'm saying if you want to learn to communicate with deaf, hard of hearing, or mute (aka people with the incapability to speak), learn ASL :))
I love your videos😊 I am learning ASL in school and I adore the language itself😁 Me and my fellow ASL students watch your videos to learn more PSE/ASL! Thank you for being so amazing!☺
Thanks! It's great you're learning
+rihannon darkunicorn thank ya
thedailysign you Are so stupid and you are a fuck face bitch I'm 32
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Um. Chill
my sign is like yours but a bit more sloppy lol I learned working with a group of deaf kids in a group home type place and they used their own slang dialect of pse one place and at school used Asl and see. then I went to India and made a deaf friend and added some IPSL signs and then worked in Brazil for a summer and learned some Libras signs...since I mostly use sign with music and don't have any deaf friends where I live now my sign language is a mix of all these... it's a mess but you inspired me to record myself signing heathens...so I'm editing it now..thx for this. I'm stoked that I found your channel. I really enjoy it
I need to learn pse cause asl is a little confusing
Emerald Galaxy
think of it as drawing a picture out, you have to place the noun first "store" and explain / show the action "going" .... Thats what helps me flip it in my head...
Thaimy Soto the way my teacher taught us that I could understand (she mentioned the picture thing too but I didn't quite grasp it) was topic the comment. I went to the movies. What's the topic? The movies. What about them? I went to one.
I'm taking ASL at school and now I'm really interested in learning PSE, so I'll definitely be working on that on my own. This video was very helpful. Thank you!
awesome!
PLEASE CAPTION YOUR VIDEOS!
+Ronni “Water And Rain” Hailey Because not everyone can understand spoken English or can understand ASL/PSE.
Oh that actually makes a lot of sense, cool. I just started taking an ASL class, it's so much fun and your videos get me pumped to keep learning. Love it love it love it
Glad it made sense^.^ and it's so awesome you're learning too!
Only major problem I have with this video is that PSE & SEE are not a language. They are codes used to help Deaf with English. They should not be treated as a language or taught as one. Some Deaf do use these, but they should not be considered a language. ASL is an official language & should be treated with the respect it deserves. Just because the codes make your hearing lives easier doesn't matter. You should work & put in effort to learn the actual language properly.
PSE and SEE deserve respect just as much as ASL. Thanks. And like I've said, I plan on learning ASL in the future, but I don't have the resources. Grr
CommonStereotype I’m learning Asl, but I sign pse at home to my hearing family as I speak to them, I see nothing wrong with helping them make their learning easier if they are willing to learn to sign and meet me half way, I say this because I have a Deaf friend and her family hasn’t learned one sign or made any effort to meet her half way in her culture she’s been deaf 25 years, since the age of two, and she was forced to grow up in a hearing world.
It’s called dialect
A couple of technical and specific pointers: In your example of beautiful, that specific word is an excellent example; so here is the gentle and polite correction. S.E.E. is the manual presentation of English and is readable and writeable and is urgently needed to be presented to parents upon receiving the diagnosis of a hearing loss or autism or FAS in their newborn. The big difference is that ASL is a foreign language and is based upon a culture and is limiting or restrictive and requires a different way of thinking. S.E.E. is seen in several countries and is not requiring a rethink or a total shift in family life style in order to add it. S.E.E. is compatible with reading a book or interpreting a lecture or filling out a job application and leads to inclusion in social and work natural environments. S.E.E. uses English grammar suffix officially constructed and not merely fingerspelling that word's ending. There is an official system and word endings such as the 'ed' for the past tense marker, or 's' for a possessive or plural, are specific just as in English grammar and spelling. And that is my comment; gentle enough? And necessary for this discussion and to be accurate and true. Hearing impaired children born in any country and in every society have the right to develop the local language. And In America, English (and can be used with Spanish easily) is our language AND the education begins day one!; parents need to be given a choice on the 'voice' they give to their child. ASL is NOT THE ONLY WAY, NOR THE BEST WAY FOR A HEARING IMPAIRED INFANT IN AMERICA.. In an English speaking home, parents have the right and the duty to communicate and to give their child a language system. The word ending for beauti-ful' is a wipe with one hand over a sorta cup formed other hand. The 'ful' spoken/written suffix is on the page within a typical dictionary' and word endings with rule are in a specific section of the S.E.E book. Thanks for providing this place to make this important point. School systems are not making this clear to the families of infants with hearing loss. The beginning IS THE BEGINNING; BIRTH IS THE BEGINNING, or before, for learning the local language, the language of parents and it can be simple. There is no need to inflict a new language and a new way of thinking ( which is not productive in typical American adult society) upon parents already shaken by the news of the diagnosis of their child. I teach, I train, I lead, I encourage, and I offer workshops, coached parenting and classes which are family focused! 661 831 3185 (I shall check back a see if you added the endings of words correct-ly for the system. (yes, the 'ly' ending or suffix is official also).
Dr j in Bakersfield, California. and one other reminder, a slight bend of finger or change in direction makes a new word, so details do matter! apologie-s for mak-ing this so long.
You should probably avoid Simultaneous Communication. What you are doing is not a real language. Either sign or voice spoken english. That will help you be a better signer.
You can sign and speak, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why I do PSE. English signing is very common for people who speak at the same time, my ASL teacher does is all the time, both with her HOH and deaf students as well as her hearing ones
Actually some Deaf frown upon signing and talking at the same time
+Nathan Lewicki I applaud her for attempting to make it accessible. I do not applaud anyone butchering or engaging in the form of oppression SEE represents. It deprives Deaf people of competent language skills in either English and ASL.
+Heather Knight That's what I keep telling people I know who are learning ASL, but she's trying to make a video that Deaf and people who don't know ASL can watch.
Actually, everyone who signs should talk (or at least mouth what they are saying) as well because some deaf people can read lips, so if u mess up while signing, they can still understand u.... One of the only reasons u shouldn't talk while signing is when u are trying to tell someone something without other people knowing what u are saying if that don't know sign language
this is amazing. my friends all ask, and now I can just send them this! I really look up to you, and you're a huge inspiration to me.
Thanks! Glad it helps too^.^
@thedailysign I find it great you are doing PSE. Even just learning sign language to begin with is amazing ! if you ever want to learn ASL one day for what ever reason. I learned from Start ASL it shows you grammar syntax and a lot of words! Just wanted to share that. What you are doing is amazing and you are just super adorable ❤️❤️❤️❤️
thank ya!
thedailysign it's really good for just words. Helped me out a lot! You are doing really good ❤️❤️💕💕
Hi! Love your signing. Hat happened to your fight song video? I loved watching that one!!!
Hello! I'm from Brazil and have just come across your channel, and it's AMAZING!
I'm taking a master's degree in Education and seeking to learn the Brazilian sign language (called Libras) and also the ASL. My dissertation is about the teaching of (written) English as a foreign language to Brazilian deaf students.
Thanks for clearing up the differences among ASL, PSE and SEE!
Keep up the good work!
One more subscriber! :)
+Eduardo Marinheiro oh that's awesome. And glad my video helped!
I'm learning to sign in PSE as well, and I find it very helpful how you always sign as well as talk because I can just mute the volume and see if I can understand what your saying which is how I personally learn things
awesome(:
Hi I've been binge watching your videos because I used to be in ASL and I miss it so much and after watching you I've decided to get back into it. ASL sentence structure confused me sooo much in school. But hopefully soon I'll be able to sign fluidly once again like you do.
Well it's awesome you're gonna start again^_^
I'm currently in ASL 2 in highschool (formally taught by a hearing woman with decades of experience) and from what she's taught us, this video is pretty accurate. I would've added into the video what each abbreviation means, such as PSE means Pigeon signed english, ASL means American sign language, and SEE means signed exact english. Also, this is just me, but I tend to see a misuse of certain signs in non-asl signing because of the English word the sign represents rather than the actual meaning it has. Sorry for the wall of text, this is just super interesting to me and I absolutely love seeing people sign even if it's not ASL.
Well thank you, I appreciate the feedback and such, even if it's a wall of text(X haha but yeah, I probably should've mentioned what they were, I thought I had haha
And the more I think about it, ASL uses what are called non-manuals that signify different parts of grammar. For example, when you ask a yes or no question you put your eyebrows up to signify that it's a yes/no question. I don't know how much of that is used in PSE, though, because non-manuals are not signified at all in English grammar/syntax like they are in ASL grammar/syntax.
+Alexis Ewan alas NME's/ NMS / Facial Expressions of any sort are THE hardest part for me as a hearing ASL student...(recently graduated) to master!
Your videos are so informative for me. I'm teaching myself PSE on the internet too and you have helped a lot. Thank you 😘
Oh, this video was super helpful. I didn't know the difference between ASL and PSE, also I've never heard about SEE. SEE is really hard because you have to spell a lot. Thank you very much. I really love ASL and I'm getting better because of your help too
Ok so my first sign language club is next week and since im the president and kind of guiding the meetings I decided I want to show this video on the first meeting since I know I'm going to get questions. I think you worded this very well and was wondering if you would mind me showing this video as well as some of your song covers weekly? also if you have any ideas for my club or pointers I would be so thrilled f you gave me advice. Thanks :)
I have been getting into asl and I have caught on to a lot of your signs! I’m feeling good so far!
This was very helpful for me, who is barely being introduced to the world of sign language!:)
Yes this helps. My wife and I have been learning what we thought was ASL but from what you said, we are really learning PSE
+Skyllar Bowdy unless you're formally taught, it's definitely hard to know the difference
i appreciate you taking the time to do these videos , its helped me get a handle on things much better, "Heathens" inspired me to finally take the time to look into sign languageafter having an interest for years but thinking it too complicated , your videos have brought it down to my level, your awesome thankyou
hey i'm so glad you are learning!
^ _ ^ THANKS SO MUCH!
First off let me say that this was very helpful for me. I am hard of hearing and am going to learn PSE to make things easier for me when I become deaf. I thought I knew the difference between the three but you answered all of my questions that I was a little afraid to ask. Also I watch your music videos and find them helpful to learn asl and think you do a good job.
You did a great job explaining ASL, PSE & SEE. I have a background in sign language. I spent the first 4 years of my life speaking in sign language and then had to use it with my son since the first approximately 2 years of his life he has speech issues like I did. I also want to let you know that I'm new to your videos but I'm really enjoying them.
+Lisa Land (mom214now) I was just curious, how accurate/good are the translations? I'm not deaf and don't know how to sign and I was always wondering.
The accuracy in the translations are completely accurate as far as I'm concerned. Just as she said that the difference between is the SEE version is more grammatically correct in the sense that it teaches the proper grammer, sentence sequence, spelling etc. ASL is more signing the meaning of what you're trying to say. If you're not real familiar with sign language of any sort I highly recommend looking at the links that she provided.
Yay thank you(: I'm glad I explained it well! Haha
okay so im late- but i am learning asl in high school and I’ve never heard of SEE or PSE I’ve only just recently heard of them through some comments on this one girls video and i saw this video while I was scrolling through RUclips so I decided to watch it :) although it is still kinda confusing, from my understanding, my teacher uses proper asl and teaches us to use it that way too. with the example you gave of wanting yo stay “im going to the store” my teacher would tell us to say “store i go” because she taught us to always put the subject of the sentence first, the main topic of the sentence so that would be “store” in this case. so from my understanding, that wouldn’t be SEE or PSE, just ASL ?
Very well explained. From my minimal experience, deaf and hard-of-hearing folks do understand PSE, and also, it is by far the easiest to teach hearing toddlers and kids. I am sorry if you get many rude or not so nice comments about your videos, sometimes people are mean just to be mean other times they are envious. I know that you are too young to have kids but when you do, you should sign everything you say to them. Some kids have no interest in watching but others do and my oh my is it so much easier for a person to learn from the beginning. They can learn to sign before they are able to verbalize words. Thanks for your videos.
+JW Pookie hey thanks, I appreciate it
I saw Libbey, (or you and if you're reading this Im dying of happiness.) when I was VERY young and I wanted to learn sign language so my sister taught me. Just a while ago I looked up "ASL Heathens" and I found you. Ever since I have been subscribed. :) I have fangirled over Libbey/you for a LONG time, and I will LEGIT die if I see a reply with the name "thedailysign". I LOVE this channel and I'm happy people learn sign language from this channel. I know this might be way too deep and stuff, so I am going to stop soon but like, I LOVE this channel. I want to make sure that these people know how I feel by this stuff, it makes me so happy!
-Love Sienna OoO
haha thanks
thedailysign
Omg! You replied!! Thank you so much
I've been learning PSE and working on ASL a lot more now. you inspired me to learn thank u!!
awesome!!
This is so helpful thank you! I'm JUST starting to learn any sign language. I'm learning some basic words using RUclips vids. I do want to become fluent though. My mom says she will try to help me get into a class or something. I'm excited to learn and I think more people should know to sign like you said.
+Ciala McBride glad it helps! It's so awesome you're learning
I love your videos! And I'm in my third year of taking ASL at my school. It's a beautiful language and before I watched your videos explaining PSE I was like "omg it's not word order!" Not in a bad way though. It's just what I've been taught so far and my teacher is deaf so of course ASL word order has been drilled in my brain haha. Your singing is clear and very VERY easy to understand, which will be helpful when you start learning ASL because you already have so many signs learned! Of course speaking from experience, it can be a little tricky getting the whole word order thing down (still struggling a little my self).
You're so talented, especially from learning purely offline which can be difficult.
Keep it up!!
P.S. This isn't meant to be bad criticism, just constructive criticism, but I noticed how you signed confused and there might be different ways to sing it but I'm not sure if that is correct?? How your singing it looks like the sign for the country Egypt.
Haha thank you! And you may have learned a different sign for it, with regional variances and all
This has helped me so much, I’ve recently become so interested in Sign language and I’m not really good at it. I’m gonna start doing ASL after this video, this was so helpful and I know I’m really late but still. Thanks so much
After watching your video, I had to stop and thank you. This is the best video material besides music on the internet i personally like, entertaining, informative, educational, clear and full of great intention. Your production moves me as much as music. You are a very skilled person and use your skills incredibly, your presentation is remarkable. I don't know if they exist as yet, so i am putting in a request for some really slow basic beginner's videos. Which is probably harder work, yet perhaps of great benefit in getting someone who might be a slow learner or older aged, on thier way.
Just a friendly tip from one learner to another. When you sign "sign" you would normally roll it towards you. Love your videos
My ASL teacher taught me the other way(x ahh haha
this is so helpful!!! I've always wondered the difference between ASL and PSE, but I've never known about SEE hehe. Thanks Libbey!!
glad it helpdehelped
Just wanna say that there is also signings for suffixes like -ful, -ing, and -s and idk if its different from SEE as there is also SEE2 which is an offshoot from SEE if yall are curious
But YES!! thank you for making a video to clarify the differences :)
Thank you....I used SEE when I interned in a preschool for deaf/hard of hearing kids, and we did not spell out i-n-g...we swung our pinky in toward us, like a "J", but toward ourselves. I had taken an ASL course first, and then went to SEE for this internship. I wish I had kept up with ASL. I used it a few times as a cashier at a store in Boston, and loved that I could help people who signed, as much as I could hearing people. I still remember a lot of signs, but wish I had stuck to it to fluency.
I hope you make more of these videos! I'm hard of hearing and I'm learning asl to teach to my family and friends and your videos help SO much! Thank you#
Glad they help!(:
You are my fav! Thanks for making learning so much fun and easy to understand!
i'm glad it was easy to learn from!
I have deaf people come into my work all the time and thanks to your videos ive made some friends!!! thank you so much!!!! still learning but at least i can understand a lot of what they say! :D
it's great you're learning!!