*The only reason people continue to use terms like "occupation" is because we tolerate it. Whenever this term enters a conversation there is no possibility that logic has any chance. Do not reward those who hate you. Refuse to engage. Walk away. Do not entertain evil.*
We know why Israel gets brandished with falsehoods and propaganda. However, it was interesting to hear an expert break it down in terms of international law. Thank you for reposting this clip.
Thank you, Rabbi Pinchas, for sharing Natasha Hausdorff's powerful insights. Her clear and well-founded analysis of the attacks on Israel is so important, especially in the face of so many false narratives. It’s unfortunate that some continue to spread hate, but Natasha’s voice is a much-needed beacon of truth. May her work continue to inspire and educate!
We all know why don’t we? Why else would they? Saddest thing is too see young American college student pretend to be so expertly educated on the subject that they have clearly taken no time to learn a single thing about. They’ve been sold this terrible lie and won’t even try a learn anything about real history and law. Really grateful to see this video! Thank you again!
The "Palestinian" problem is very simple. One side is commanded by its Prophet to kill the other side. That's it. The rest are details. Anyone who tells you it's complicated is complicit. Refer to hadiths like Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 or Sahih Muslim 2922. And dozens of Jew-hating verses in the Quran, plus large tracts of Muhammad's biography (genocides of Jews in Khaybar, the Banu Qurayza massacre, etc.). This is a 1,400-year long religious war started by Muhammad and it's never going to end. Other conflicts end because they are actually about land, resources, revenge, etc. but this is RELIGION and unless you can rewrite Islamic scripture, this war will never end.
@able 763: Concerning that 1,400 year religious war you refer to, you are the one forgetting a little "detail": the ME perennial conflict has itself a religious base, namely God's gift to Israel of the land hence purported to be theirs. This gift antecedes by a long shot Muhammad, the Quran, Islam, etc. Who was this land-granting God ? the Israeli God, of course!, who else? Is this land-gift recognized, legitimized or corroborated by any instance outside the Jewish tradition? Can any God's land-gift be documented, recognized and accepted by anyone other than the people who contrived it, benefiting from it? Do not forget the Israeli God gave green light to Abraham and his progeny to occupy the Canaanite territory and exile (or exterminate) anybody opposing this order. This happened long before Muhammad even appeared on stage. As you see "the rest" are not "details" , as you cavalierly maintain!
@@carlosturriago2512 And the Canaanites have been subsumed into the Jewish people, as far as we can tell. If you know any pure Canaanite who can prove his ancestry back 3500 years, please inform Netanyahu for reparations.
@@carlosturriago2512 And the real Philistines (remember Goliath?) have also become one with the Jews, as far as we can tell. The current "Palestinians" are just Arabs with a Roman name courtesy of Emperor Hadrian. Allah never even heard of Palestinians in the Quran, but mentions Israel (another name for Jacob) 43 times. Please inform Allah that this race "Palestinian" exists, invented by the terrorist Yasser Arafat.
They didn't though. Israel continued to control water, electricity, ended trade, the comings and goings of all goods allowing only enough food to maintain life. They just removed the IDF but continued to make Gaza an open aired prison.
@@kjames337 Or, put another way, Israel ceded control of Gaza, which has a coast and a border with Egypt, the Palestinian authority was given hundreds of millions of dollars and no attempts were made to develop their own water and energy infrastructure and instead used that money to fund terrorism or simply embezzle it while launching rockets and terror attacks against their neighbours. Despite repeatedly being subjected to violence and terror, Israel still provided water, electricity and supplies. The reason Gaza has so little is by Hamas' design. They built a network of tunnels for terrorist activities rather than lay one brick of a hospital or purify a single litre of water.
Israel doesn't "control", they sell part of them to Gaza because they built incredible infrastructures in hard and expensive decades of work. Gaza had to import both electricity (diesel) and water for an unfortunate combination of the jihad of the womb, which brought the population density to ridiculous levels, and the jihad of the sword taking resources to infrastructures such as desalination and solar plants (I understand the three existing plants were made by NGOs). All this has been very well summarized by the iconic digging out of water pipes to build rockets by Hamas.
@@LudvigIndestrucable I don't think you realize the Palestinians have been under Israeli terror for decades. Decades of being treated in the most disgusting way. A peaceful march in 2018 19 resulted in no Israeli injuries but 13000 Palestinians shot. An independent commission found that of 489 cases of Palestinian deaths only 2 were justified. Israel has had 229 UN resolutions against them, all of them ignored by Israel. Here is a video from 10 years ago, would you live through this and not fight back ruclips.net/video/9ZRgzChgaGI/видео.html
I agree that yhe land is Israel's, but there is a question we have to answer: why should it be according to the administrative district established by the British and not the administrative district established by the Ottomans? I am sure there is an answer to that which is based in international law, I just don't know what that answer is and I'd be interested to hear her answer. When the Austro-Hungarian Empire was defeated, the newly independent states were not set exactly according to administrative districts, were they? Perhaps there is a legal precedent in the way that empire was dissolved.
Rabbi Pinchas, Natasha Hausdorf is a very intelligent and interesting speaker and I agree with her argument in this video. However, I have an issue with her deeming the Crimea as part of Ukraine. The Crimea was annexed on orders of Catherine the Great by Russia in 1783 a few years after the United States declared independence from the United Kingdom. It remained part of Russia until after the Second World War Nikita Kruschev, the Premier of the USSR and a Ukrainian, transfered it the the Ukraine" "on the basis of "the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR" (Wikipedia :"Transfer Crimea to Ukraine). Thus to use as an example that Russia is occupying the Crimea when it is its' own territory is incorrect.
Shalom Rabbi Pinchas, I feel like my Jewish friends are almost the only sane ones around me. I've lost friends and acquaintances for standing up for the Jewish people and Isreal. This doesnt worry me except the test for me is when it comes to my nearest and dearest. We agree to not speak politics and agree to disagree, but it is really hard. I knew even Jewish families can be divided this way over their stance. Could you speak to this one day, please?
Zechariah 12:2-3 - _“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it."_
Oh my, so that "little" point of international law might _actually_ be the reason nobody has _ever_ taken Israel to court over these "occupations".... Very interesting indeed.
to answer your final thoughts and question(s). The reason is based in Islamic doctrine that once a land is controlled by (not settled, not residents of, not dwelling in, but controlled by) Islamic rule, none other than a Muslim rule can be established there. EOM
Labour/Mapai messed up big in 1967. Their underlying thinking amply illustrated by Dayan's decision to not expel Jordan from the Temple Mount. The stagnation and toxicity of the territories has been the major eyesore as well as source of hope, for those aiming to unseat Israel from the region
Their thinking was quite different to today's majority opinions. BTW, it wasn't expected that Israel would defeat all enemies on all fronts - rather they'd been anticipating obliteration. They offered the Arabs complete return of all the territories the IDF had captured - in return for peace. The Arabs responded with the famous "3 NOs" from Khartoum - No recognition, No peace and no negotiations.
If there's an illegal occupation is by the Arab's self-proclaim Palestinian not from us Jews since we're the original homogenous of the land in the levant.
"What do you think?" Well, since you asked: First of all, pro-Israelis might want to reconsider the overuse/misuse of "blood libel" as a comparison to whtaever it is that they don't like being applied to Israel. ANd for a couple of reasons: First, because is Israel a truly Jewish state--as the comparison would imply--or is it more of a regular modern secular state that doesn't identify itself as belonging to or consisting of a particular ethnic/religious group? Like, say, the US or Germany or France, etc., as opposed to states like Burma or Afghanistan. (I'd recommend the former is a somewhat better model.) But you can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand boast about how Israel has a whole bunch of non-Jewish citizens, but on the other hand use defenses that imply it's purely Jewish. The other reason is that anybody who has been around for a while realizes that "blood libel" is trotted out as a way to distract from something pretty bad that the Israelis are doing and to try to "shame" others into backing off, because look at all the awful stuff that Jews have suffered over the ages, and it's pretty mean to come after us now. In the same way, when Clarence Thomas, who is black, was being grilled by the Senate before his confirmation to the Supreme Court, he came up against some difficult questioning and snarled at the Senate Committee, "This is a high-tech lynching!" Which was pretty much the exact same thing. It's bad form and a fundamentally dishonest approach. The more substantive thing here is that it's really immoral to get bogged down in the legal weeds about Gaza and the West Bank when the fundamental rights and wrongs are quite clear: Israel is in fact acting as an "occupying force" inasmuch as it uses the military to maintain order and basically shut down the people there, and there are settlers there who are stealing Palestinian land and taking it for themselves, all with the cooperation of the Israeli government. This isn't hard. When it comes to Gaza, Israel has slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians and destroyed their homes, businesses, and general infrastructure. And there is a not-unreasonable belief that the Israelis are tring to drive the Palestinians out Gaza entirely so that they can annex it for themselves. This is evil, and wrong, and it's a shame that Jews, who have a long and frankly glorious history of standing up for the weak, the oppressed, and minorities, would stoop to such a horror. Morality aside, what is the endgame here? Unless Israel wants to exterminate the Palestinians, what do they figure is going to happen after their rage and bloodlust has subsided? That everything will somehow be transformed into some stable peaceful situation? It's craziness. What Israel has done is to guarantee the continued hatred of its neighbors--and, assuming there are any left at the end of all this, the occupied Palestinians--for another couple of generations or beyond.
@@lechenaultia5863 Just one time it would be fun to hear somebody actually try to respond to the points directly, rather than with "Just watch so and so!" or "If you'd just pay attention it's totally obvious!" or other such bilgewater. Maybe you'd like to try, though if history is any guide, I doubt it.Are any of you capable of thought and willing to explain your position?
There are a lot of us with you, Rabbi, and not just those with a Christian agenda to convert Jews; just as a bunch of mensches from various backgrounds and faiths or not.
You can also put a spotlight in your conversation on West Papua when Indonesia invaded that country. UN and the ICC totally ignored the crime and genocide on the people of West Papua by Indonesian military. UN and ICC spotlight on Israel is a total injustice that resulted in dividing the world.
May the Lord God of Abraham protect and bless His people Israel and all foreigners who are in Israeli territory. Only the Lord God of Israel is God.🙏❤️🇮🇱👍💪
Sorry, I didn't follow all that legal jargon. Did Natasha just argue that the West Bank is not occupied, that it is part of Israel and that the Palestinians there treated as equals?
What you call west bank is Judea and Samaria, a part of Israel. Every Israeli citizen has equal rights. The Arabs that you call palestinian were given the chance to build their own state, on a huge part of Israel's tiny territory. They used it and the international money to bomb Israel, then to invade Israel, perpetrate the most horrific crimes. They still hold and torture Israeli hostages. So they don't deserve neither rights nor territory. You don't give rights to sociopath criminals. Case closed.
From what I understand, Israel kept giving up more and more land, including the West Bank, in exchange for peace. Since the other side isn't upholding the peace part, it seems that the West Bank should be part of Israel. That might not be how it's done, but it should be.
There's a huge amount of jealousy towards Israel for all the great and incredible things that jews individually and as a nation have achieved! They have enriched the world with so many positive things from the arts to the sciences...in fact all aspects of civilization! The ignorant masses need to wake up to how much we are indebted to these people.
It’s actually somewhat more complicated than she says, but in essence she is right that it cannot be maintained that the West Bank is occupied territory. To keep it simple: if the West Bank is occupied territory, from whom was it illegitimately taken? Israel took the West Bank from Jordan in 1967, but the Jordanians themselves were in occupation of that territory. They had occupied it by force in 1948. It was never a part of Jordan and the Jordanians never claimed it was. Its status was then and still is today unclear. The only formal guide to go on would be the division of the British mandate of Palestine made by the UN in 1947, but no Arab state or politician has ever accepted that division. So whose territory is it? Search me. The Palestinians claim it as theirs, but on behalf what state? Palestine isn’t a state. And by what authority do they make that claim? Search me.
Still, in both Gaza and West Bank/Judea & Samaria there are some 7 million non-Jews (Palestinian Arabs). If the idea behind using this argument is to rationalize annexing those territories it ignores the whole problematic dilemma of what to do with the Palestinians. Annex the land and grant citizenship? Ok, that's democratic but it will undermine the Jewish character of Israel. Annex the land but not grant citizenship? What then are the options? Limited autonomy for the Palestinians under their own non-state jurisdiction? Perhaps, but if Palestinians don't want that, then it has to be forced on them, meaning civil war. Another option is "transfer" the Palestinians, aka ethnic cleansing. That is a war crime and likely fits the legal definition of genocide. I think we need to be more imaginative and creative if we ever want to live in peace.
Reference material would help form this discussion with people who did not see this video and will not take Natasha's word for it. I would say that 99% of people out there will state that what she's saying is a lie. So how to counter that? If I google for "original agreement formation Israel". The closest independant article I'm then getting, is a Wikipedia article about the Oslo accords, which state (according to Wikipedia): Among the notable outcomes of the Oslo Accords was the creation of the Palestinian National Authority, which was tasked with the responsibility of conducting limited Palestinian self-governance over parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; and the international acknowledgement of the PLO as Israel's partner in permanent-status negotiations about any remaining issues revolving around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This means (in my understanding) that the Gaza strip and the West Bank go to the palestinian people. There's nothing I read about territory of Jordan and Egypt which they don't want and go (back) to Israel. The article also states: The Oslo Accords did not create a definite Palestinian state.[ If this is true, then what are the palestinians living in now? If it's not a country of their own, is it still Israel? And of course, here comes the biggy: if it IS still Israel, does that not make them Israeli citizens (for better or for worse)?
Utter nonsense. There's no comparison between Israel/Palastine and Ukraine/Russia. The borders between the latter were agreed between the parties, Israel simply woke up one morning and decided that it was in charge of all that land. In fact, applying uti possidetis juris would have meant that the area of the mandate would immediately fall under Palestinian control. This is probably why pro Israeli types constantly try and deny the existence of anything Palestinian despite the name, coinage and documentation all noting Palestine. The reason why it didn't was because the British had declared that the UN was to decide the region's future. In fact, Israel has never overtly set out its borders, presumably because it hasn't finished the job of occupying everything it wants. Accusations of blood libel are hysterically false and Housdorff has repeatedly made that accusation in interviews, usually on the basis of her bizarre claim that Israel hasn't killed any Israeli children. That ridiculous claim has as much credibility of her fake legal argument here
Israel woke up 1 morning …. 😂 Now that’s nonsense 😂 WW2 ~ the League of Nations! Voted for the Jewish state of Israel to have their own homeland! Who objected? Mohammedans by attacking 7 countries v day old Israel Who won? Ego & pride is your problem believing the lie of your false god. Galatians 1 v 1-11…
The military aspect of the occupation is unquestionably legitimate and lawful because it was originally invaded and occupied by Israel because it was attacked from it, not just during the Six Day War but for 20 years prior, repeatedly. And a country that's attacked from an adjoining territory has the right under international law to invade and occupy that territory until such time as it believes that it's not longer under threat of attack from it. Well, Israel does not yet have any such assurances, because while officially the PA claims to recognize Israel and renounce any attempt to attack or reclaim it, unofficially Israel is clearly still fair game to Palestinians who reside there, as they've been trying to attack Israel since Oslo. Therefore Israel is obliged, and has every right, to remain there, under a military occupation, out of self-defense. What is in dispute is the long-term status of this territory, and whether Israel has the legal right to settle it with its people and eventually annex it. Personally, I believe that it doesn't, and that even if it did, it wouldn't matter, because over 2 million Palestinians live there and there's nowhere else for them to go. Israel can't kick them out or otherwise dispose of them, of course, it certainly doesn't want to rule over them as Israeli citizens, and it can't rule over them in a quasi-apartheid manner. So statehood--someday, in the very distant future, when it makes sense, which is not now for sure--seems like the only viable solution. Anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it.
And the occupation by Israel of the Golan Heights? The concepts espoused by Hausdorf reveal that this occupation is illegal, as Israel is occupying an area of land outside its established border. This iss simply 2:58 another land grab to become a part of greater Israel in accordance with the messianic beliefs of the governing Likud Party.
The UN process created the state of Israel, as a Jewish homeland, and we have to realize all statements attempting to delegitimize that process would be a defiance of the UN mandate. All legal rights flow from that international decision to create the state. The UN did not, for some reason, also create a Palestinian state. So why not? Had the Palestinians chosen political instead of violent solutions, there is a rather significant remedy here. Israel is called an occupier by people who want to deny the historical ties of Jews to Jerusalem and Judea. Jews were exiled from Judea by an occupying Roman Empire. Judea was then occupied by waves of competing foreign powers, including a perpetual power struggle between the Catholic Church of Europe and Ottoman and other Arab imperialists. Do you want to see what an occupation looks like? Go to Istanbul, which was Byzantium before Constantine occupied it and renamed it Constantinople, and then renamed Istanbul by occupying Ottoman Turks. Check out how the Hagia Sophia was converted from a Christian cathedral to a mosque by putting up boards covered in Arabic. That's an occupation for you. Last I checked the Wailing Wall was still a ruin of the Jewish 3rd Temple in Jerusalem. This is what "occupation" means. It means white anti-semites cherry picking history and adopting the Palestinian false narrative for strictly anti-semitic reasons. The Palestinians can't be bothered, and just directly advocate for Jewish genocide.
it's quite an easy one to answer Rabbi, Islamofascism, The Koran doesn't recognise us as a legitimate people, we are dhimmi's abandoned by Hashem at Mount Sinai when Moshe Rabeinu was told that the current generation couldn't enter the promised land until all the wicked had died out. The Koran simply states that muslims are the only descendants of these people and that the wicked were us Jews. It's an ideological argument, and of course incorrect as there was no islam until the 7th century AD.
5:02 Because the nations love HaSatan and not HaShem... they love the World and the wisdom of the world and reject their Creator and Torah... Undoubtedly Adonai is LORD over all flesh, but humanity desires to be their own god, in the same way that haSatan desired to usurp El Elyon. It is anti-semitism and anti-semitism is rooted in haSatan trying to thrwart the promises of Adonai because he knows that when all that must be fulfilled is fulfilled he is done... to be cast along with Death and Sheol into the lake of fire... reaping eternal separation from the source of all good, joy and life, El Shaddai. God has made His covenants and promises with the house of Israel and all nations are blessed because of the faith of Avraham and because of his seed...
An incredible video showing three pro Israeli people coming to the conclusion that is pro Israeli, let’s talk about a load of rules that no one else really understands and come to a conclusion that is exactly the conclusion we want, maybe what she says is true maybe it isn’t I don’t know, but we won’t find out unless we have a real discussion rather than this silly nonsense
My bible says; "God is not the author of confusion and disorder but of peace"(1 Corinthians 15:33). It is Judah(Jews) who received the "Scepter" and Joseph and his two sons, Ephraim(British Empire) and Manasseh(American Empire), who received the "Blessings of the first-born" as for 1 Chronicles 5:1-2, who brought confusion and disorder to God's "Promised Land" to Abraham that Yeshua has to come back and handover to His Father who is the rightful owner of this land and not Jews, Arabs, Britain or America or any human being on this planet. God Almighty reserved it for Himself to be given to His ruling sons of 144,000 first-harvest and the family of Israel and Judah whom He is expected bring back from their captivity of their enemies after the great tribulation.
I have indisputable acceptance of the truth in the "Word of God". Having said that, the territory that bounded by the Abrahamic Covenant, an eternal covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 15:18 was never at one time since its inception occupied by Abraham's extended family fully. Why? Because the family of Jacob(Israel) never lived as God expected obeying His law and precepts. Therefore until this age of 6000 years under man's rule under Satan comes to an end, do not expect God would tolerate any claim by Abraham's family until He hand over the family of Adam to Yeshua. Until then who ever Yahweh allowed that land to be occupied whether Jews or Arabs should never be disturbed. Therefore I fully agree with Natasha Hausdorff on the following points. 1 . "Zionist Movement" never had authority to proclaim a sovereign state for them from their God as for the "Law and Prophets" when He brought scattered Jews to that land through "British Mandate". Reason, when God torn 10 tribes and gave "Israel" to Jeroboam and kept ONLY i tribe Judah whom we call Jews with Solomon's son until last king Zedekiah, it was done for the sake of king David and his throne to be uprooted and brought back to Britain under "family of Joseph". Since then God removed self governance for Judah(Jews) from 585 bc to 70ad and dispersed. 2. When God brought Jews back in 1948, through "British Mandate", God never expected Judah(Jews) to proclaim a "sovereign state" for Judah again that God brought to an end by slaughtering Zedekiah's sons. Having said that, God expected Britain where He established "Throne of David" to rule over the Jews and Arabs living in the land especially the remnant of Arabs that left from Ottoman(Esau) occupation of Jerusalem from 1517 -1917 to be ended by God's family of Joseph in fulfilling Isaac's prophecy to his son Esau after he asked for his blessing and promise land after selling his birthright to his younger brother Jacob as for Gen 27:40. 3- Therefore what Natasha Hausdorff says, if I understood her rightly must comply with the law of the land that God himself establish as prophet Daniel says that in his book, God rules over human governments. Bottomline is, as for the God's Law and Prophets and the existing law of the land as Natasha Hausdorff says, God wanted both Jews and Arabs to be ruled by to whom God handed over Jerusalem from Ottoman, that is "British Mandate"(Ephraim) to continue until 1945, WW2 and handover the rule to Manasseh(America) after WW2. That is what God Almighty would have thought both British Empire and American Empire would have done as God's last 2 "Birthright" empires of God what 1 Chronicles 5:1-2 says as Joseph who who got the wealth of this planet.
Question: why 'double-standard' ONLY against Israel? Answer: false assumption. the truth is that any organization (government, company, military unit, ...etc., etc...) that is based on truth, as Israel is, is subjected to evil persecution. The powers of evil rule the world. Those among us who fight for the truth are, ultimately rewarded by God; we (the truth fighters) get God's blessing. anyone who goes "against the flow", and fights for the truth, is fighting an uphill battle. And the reward for those difficult efforts is greater and greater, the more effort put in, and the more difficulties the fighter encountered. the lesson is: don't expect a "free lunch". like Trump yelled out "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !!!".
Let me squeeze it bit more. Ottoman Empire(family of Esau) occupied Jerusalem and the adjoining land from 1517-1917. Ottoman were occupiers. British Empire ended Ottoman occupation after WW1. British Empire became the New Occupier. The rulership then belongs to British Empire from 1917 onwards and no one else. Arabs lived in that land under Ottoman have no right to rule that land from 1917 unless they subject them to the rule of British Empire. When British Empire brought Jews to that land, they should never have promised Sovereign Rule either to Jews or Arabs because they do not have any claim to rule that land as it was God Almighty who gave that land in WW1 to the Birthright promised to Abraham, Isaac and Israel to Joseph who are the British empire as for Isaac's prophecy to Esau in Gen 27:40.. Jerusalem belongs to Yahweh and Yeshua and no one else. Question is: this word "Occupation" would never have come if British Empire with their Military Might have ruled Jerusalem from 1917 onwards until 1945 and handover to American Empire after 1945 when Americans replaced the British before Yeshua's Second Coming! God never gave Judah(Jews) the birthright except the rulership in the age to come in the kingdom as a spiritual blessing. Judah should never have tried to claim the rights of Joseph as it is rebelling against God's word. Because of what Judah(Jews) does today God is punishing Judah's children try to rule with AK-47 and killing God's children for a real estate that belongs to God who reserved for Himself to be given back to Yeshua when He sets up the kingdom in Jerusalem.
Thanks for the invitation. I don't think that it is a question of fear. It is that Natasha Hausdorff's opinion is a small minority opinion that wouldn't justify Israel's behaviour in its war anyway.
The only problem is that the West Bank and Gaza were not a part of Israel at the moment of its proclamation of independence as they didn't have a clear Jewish majority presence nor they were a part of the UN partition plan which was the basis of the Israeli independence at the time. They became a part of Israel only after 1967 war rather than initially.
Since the Partition Plan was violently rejected by the Arab League and Palestinian militias with the announced intention of destroying Israel, it was rendered inoperative. It was not a law, it was a compromise recommendation by the UN General Assembly, which doesn't have the authority of making international law. The Arab League attack on Israel was an aggression and any land Israel was able to take in response to this aggression became part of Israel. After all, most of the Galilee was not part of the Partition Plan, and that is now sovereign Israel. This is not an argument for annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, but just an explanation. Annexing those territories creates a whole new set serious problems for Israel, mainly the only democratic way of doing that is to grant full citizenship tot he Palestinians living there. Once citizens they will form their own political parties and in the first parliamentary election they would likely form about 50% of the house and could easily vote to change the character and name of the country. I wish the annexationists among us would understand this.
This seems a dangerous and tricky position to stake out. If one wants to take this position then one has to also explain why the Arabs living in Gaza, Judea and Samaria were not immediately Israeli citizens upon the declaration of the state. That means that all Arab refugees of 1947-49 would have a right to return, since citizens do have a right to leave their country and return.
Do you refuse to believe any source that disagrees with what you have chosen to believe? Personally, I don't know if what she is saying is accurate or not. I tend to side with Israel, but that doesn't mean that anyone who sides with Israel is correct. Are you willing to acknowledge that not every source that speaks against Israel is correct?
@@bhazerelli7611 I am in my 70's and have watched this sh*t show all my life. Used to believe Israel was in the right until I really started to research the subject. All available resources, and took a critical thinking approach to it. Seeing Israeli mistruths was easy to discredit. An example: Israelis continuing destruction of schools in Gaza, same excuse every time it was a Hamas control center. Is Hamas that dumb not to realize after the first few school bombings that it was not a place to have themselves be, if they were ever there. NO so the only deduction to be made is that Israel is purposely killing women and children. There was no baby beheadings and rapes, proven lies why does Israel put that out there? I could go on and on. Israel is a terrorist state the only difference is they have a powerful media and propaganda arm
I think this misses a much more important point: there's nothing wrong with not calling Israel's control of the West Bank 'illegal occupation', or even just 'occupation', per se - but the control which Israel exerts in the West Bank, where most of the native inhabitants are not Israeli citizens and do not enjoy the same democratic rights - or even human rights - as Israelis, is, regardless of whether it is considered 'occupation' or not, apartheid.
You need to see Nyahoo's greater IS map comprising the whole of Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan Iraq and more. I am convinced, it's a temporary map. Iran, Ukraine, Xijiang, The Hague... are to co-opt next. Rejoice!
@@oliverduke1173 I don't think what I said even remotely touches that. But I am saying that Israel rules with apartheid in the West Bank (and, actually, not only in the West Bank, but in the West Bank it's glaringly blatant), regardless of whether it's an 'occupation' or not.
This conflict: It's 1990. A man goes to Mike Tyson's house, rings his door bell, when Mike opens the door, the man punches him in the face. Mike beats him up so bad that he's hospitalized. Next week he does the same thing. And the week after that, and the week after that... and each time the man says "How dare he!? I only punched him once and he beats me to a bloody pulp!" So STOP GOING TO MIKE'S HOUSE and punching him in the face.
@@abbotsful *Correction: Mike's grandfather took the house from the man's grandfather and passed it down. Ownership is now in the hands of a new generation who can't do anything to undo the past. If ancestral claims justify eternal violence, what options do the Jews have to end it? The only option offered to them is to hand 100% of the land back to them and live under Palestinian rule, knowing what they intend to do to 100% of their population if they get the power to do so.
It's the 'Arab-Israeli conflict', not the 'Palestinian-Israeli conflict'. The people who were in the British Mandate of Palestine before its dissolution in 1947 were Jews and Arabs, not just Arabs. Therefore, it is a misuse of the term 'Palestinian' to refer only to Arabs who want to overthrow Israel.
Balfour says a Jewish homeland in Palestine. At this time it was occupied by ottomans, yet supposedly the arabs are disappointed they were not 'given' a state. Nobody can give you a state, you have to defend and rule it.
so you are saying that through the rejection of the partition plan by the arabs (whoever it was that spoke for the arabs and who legitimized it) and through the arabs' attack on israel, the external borders defined in the partition plan became the sovereign territory of the state of israel? through the rejection and the war, the territories recommended to the arabs also fell under the sovereignty of israel in 1948? because jordan never annexed judah / samaria, but only occupied it and lost it in 1967? just as gaza was not annexed by egypt, but was occupied in 1948 and lost in 1967?
the craziest of all antisemitism is that this very argument leads "the other side" to negate the entire sovereignty of the state of israel. it is not without reason that the disgusting formula “from the xxx tp the xxx” means the obliteration of israel. this worls is a shameless place. some say utis possestita juri does not count for Israel because of the aggression through arab states 1948.
Calling a truth speaker a blight on humanity doesn't make sense. The truth will set you free from lies you have believed. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness. Who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. ( Isaiah 5:20 ) These are the words of the God of Israel. If you turn from your sin and ask for forgiveness through Jesus you will be saved. On your present course in life I feel sorry for you. 🙏🇮🇱✨🕊️✝️✝️✝️
@William-l9k A truth speaker: What world do you live in. She supports Israels genocide and slaughter of women, children, and babies in the Middle East. Disgusting Suggest you look closer at all the spin, lies, and misinformation that she inserts into her speeches.
She is one of the best and most articulate voices out there - I hope she has the best of the best Security protecting her!
*The only reason people continue to use terms like "occupation" is because we tolerate it. Whenever this term enters a conversation there is no possibility that logic has any chance. Do not reward those who hate you. Refuse to engage. Walk away. Do not entertain evil.*
It's very refreshing to hear the simple truth. Lots of respect 🇮🇱🙏
She is Right! Not many people know about this important information.
@@dianagoldstein2011 Dude, everyone knows she is fos
We know why Israel gets brandished with falsehoods and propaganda. However, it was interesting to hear an expert break it down in terms of international law.
Thank you for reposting this clip.
Shame on you israel
And why is that ?
I am from Ireland. I am not Jewish. I stand with Israel, the Israeli people and the brave IDF. God bless and protect you.
My goodness... she is sooo eloquent!. Thank G-d for her.
Thank you for sharing this! I love hearing a strong defense of Israel!
Thank you, Rabbi Pinchas, for sharing Natasha Hausdorff's powerful insights. Her clear and well-founded analysis of the attacks on Israel is so important, especially in the face of so many false narratives. It’s unfortunate that some continue to spread hate, but Natasha’s voice is a much-needed beacon of truth. May her work continue to inspire and educate!
So basically you want us to believe what she says instead of what our eyes see 🤣🤣
🙏stay safe Natasha ❤
Yep,stay out of englistan
We all know why don’t we? Why else would they?
Saddest thing is too see young American college student pretend to be so expertly educated on the subject that they have clearly taken no time to learn a single thing about. They’ve been sold this terrible lie and won’t even try a learn anything about real history and law.
Really grateful to see this video! Thank you again!
Holy mackerels. Forget about those lands over there. There are more beautiful lands than those in the Middle East.
Fascinating! Thanks for the eye opener. We all know the reason.
The "Palestinian" problem is very simple. One side is commanded by its Prophet to kill the other side. That's it. The rest are details. Anyone who tells you it's complicated is complicit. Refer to hadiths like Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 or Sahih Muslim 2922. And dozens of Jew-hating verses in the Quran, plus large tracts of Muhammad's biography (genocides of Jews in Khaybar, the Banu Qurayza massacre, etc.). This is a 1,400-year long religious war started by Muhammad and it's never going to end. Other conflicts end because they are actually about land, resources, revenge, etc. but this is RELIGION and unless you can rewrite Islamic scripture, this war will never end.
@able 763: Concerning that 1,400 year religious war you refer to, you are the one forgetting a little "detail": the ME perennial conflict has itself a religious base, namely God's gift to Israel of the land hence purported to be theirs. This gift antecedes by a long shot Muhammad, the Quran, Islam, etc. Who was this land-granting God ? the Israeli God, of course!, who else? Is this land-gift recognized, legitimized or corroborated by any instance outside the Jewish tradition? Can any God's land-gift be documented, recognized and accepted by anyone other than the people who contrived it, benefiting from it? Do not forget the Israeli God gave green light to Abraham and his progeny to occupy the Canaanite territory and exile (or exterminate) anybody opposing this order. This happened long before Muhammad even appeared on stage. As you see "the rest" are not "details" , as you cavalierly maintain!
@@carlosturriago2512 And the Canaanites have been subsumed into the Jewish people, as far as we can tell. If you know any pure Canaanite who can prove his ancestry back 3500 years, please inform Netanyahu for reparations.
@@carlosturriago2512 And the real Philistines (remember Goliath?) have also become one with the Jews, as far as we can tell. The current "Palestinians" are just Arabs with a Roman name courtesy of Emperor Hadrian. Allah never even heard of Palestinians in the Quran, but mentions Israel (another name for Jacob) 43 times. Please inform Allah that this race "Palestinian" exists, invented by the terrorist Yasser Arafat.
I recommened you to watch the full interview.
Natash is amasing❤
i just came here from listening from the "Promise of the Hereafter" Conference in Gaza, in September 2021. 3 words: Oh My God!
It's baffling that people refer to gaza as being occupied when Israel evacuated almost two decades ago.
They didn't though. Israel continued to control water, electricity, ended trade, the comings and goings of all goods allowing only enough food to maintain life. They just removed the IDF but continued to make Gaza an open aired prison.
@@kjames337 Or, put another way, Israel ceded control of Gaza, which has a coast and a border with Egypt, the Palestinian authority was given hundreds of millions of dollars and no attempts were made to develop their own water and energy infrastructure and instead used that money to fund terrorism or simply embezzle it while launching rockets and terror attacks against their neighbours.
Despite repeatedly being subjected to violence and terror, Israel still provided water, electricity and supplies.
The reason Gaza has so little is by Hamas' design. They built a network of tunnels for terrorist activities rather than lay one brick of a hospital or purify a single litre of water.
Israel doesn't "control", they sell part of them to Gaza because they built incredible infrastructures in hard and expensive decades of work.
Gaza had to import both electricity (diesel) and water for an unfortunate combination of the jihad of the womb, which brought the population density to ridiculous levels, and the jihad of the sword taking resources to infrastructures such as desalination and solar plants (I understand the three existing plants were made by NGOs).
All this has been very well summarized by the iconic digging out of water pipes to build rockets by Hamas.
@@kjames337gave Gaza those things for free btw Abdul
@@LudvigIndestrucable I don't think you realize the Palestinians have been under Israeli terror for decades. Decades of being treated in the most disgusting way. A peaceful march in 2018 19 resulted in no Israeli injuries but 13000 Palestinians shot. An independent commission found that of 489 cases of Palestinian deaths only 2 were justified. Israel has had 229 UN resolutions against them, all of them ignored by Israel. Here is a video from 10 years ago, would you live through this and not fight back ruclips.net/video/9ZRgzChgaGI/видео.html
I agree that yhe land is Israel's, but there is a question we have to answer: why should it be according to the administrative district established by the British and not the administrative district established by the Ottomans? I am sure there is an answer to that which is based in international law, I just don't know what that answer is and I'd be interested to hear her answer. When the Austro-Hungarian Empire was defeated, the newly independent states were not set exactly according to administrative districts, were they? Perhaps there is a legal precedent in the way that empire was dissolved.
All of a sudden the laws and rules matter, while 10 minutes before, they had been admittedly and openly walked all over on! Wow.
Rabbi Pinchas, Natasha Hausdorf is a very intelligent and interesting speaker and I agree with her argument in this video. However, I have an issue with her deeming the Crimea as part of Ukraine. The Crimea was annexed on orders of Catherine the Great by Russia in 1783 a few years after the United States declared independence from the United Kingdom. It remained part of Russia until after the Second World War Nikita Kruschev, the Premier of the USSR and a Ukrainian, transfered it the the Ukraine" "on the basis of "the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR" (Wikipedia :"Transfer Crimea to Ukraine). Thus to use as an example that Russia is occupying the Crimea when it is its' own territory is incorrect.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Natasha
Shalom Rabbi Pinchas, I feel like my Jewish friends are almost the only sane ones around me. I've lost friends and acquaintances for standing up for the Jewish people and Isreal. This doesnt worry me except the test for me is when it comes to my nearest and dearest. We agree to not speak politics and agree to disagree, but it is really hard. I knew even Jewish families can be divided this way over their stance. Could you speak to this one day, please?
Zechariah 12:2-3 - _“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it."_
Okay, I like your post because I like learning the Jewish Torah. How about this one?
Isaiah 56:9-
I heard her speak live with Douglas Murray in Washington, D.C.
Oh my, so that "little" point of international law might _actually_ be the reason nobody has _ever_ taken Israel to court over these "occupations"....
Very interesting indeed.
All of a sudden the laws and rules matter, while 10 minutes before, they had been admittedly and openly walked all over on! Wow.
Englistan created Pakistan India around then. I think. You don't hear them whimpering about occupation
I would be interested in this when applied to Europe or N.America lands.
Great explanation.
to answer your final thoughts and question(s). The reason is based in Islamic doctrine that once a land is controlled by (not settled, not residents of, not dwelling in, but controlled by) Islamic rule, none other than a Muslim rule can be established there. EOM
Labour/Mapai messed up big in 1967. Their underlying thinking amply illustrated by Dayan's decision to not expel Jordan from the Temple Mount. The stagnation and toxicity of the territories has been the major eyesore as well as source of hope, for those aiming to unseat Israel from the region
Their thinking was quite different to today's majority opinions. BTW, it wasn't expected that Israel would defeat all enemies on all fronts - rather they'd been anticipating obliteration.
They offered the Arabs complete return of all the territories the IDF had captured - in return for peace.
The Arabs responded with the famous "3 NOs" from Khartoum - No recognition, No peace and no negotiations.
If there's an illegal occupation is by the Arab's self-proclaim Palestinian not from us Jews since we're the original homogenous of the land in the levant.
"What do you think?" Well, since you asked: First of all, pro-Israelis might want to reconsider the overuse/misuse of "blood libel" as a comparison to whtaever it is that they don't like being applied to Israel. ANd for a couple of reasons: First, because is Israel a truly Jewish state--as the comparison would imply--or is it more of a regular modern secular state that doesn't identify itself as belonging to or consisting of a particular ethnic/religious group? Like, say, the US or Germany or France, etc., as opposed to states like Burma or Afghanistan. (I'd recommend the former is a somewhat better model.) But you can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand boast about how Israel has a whole bunch of non-Jewish citizens, but on the other hand use defenses that imply it's purely Jewish. The other reason is that anybody who has been around for a while realizes that "blood libel" is trotted out as a way to distract from something pretty bad that the Israelis are doing and to try to "shame" others into backing off, because look at all the awful stuff that Jews have suffered over the ages, and it's pretty mean to come after us now. In the same way, when Clarence Thomas, who is black, was being grilled by the Senate before his confirmation to the Supreme Court, he came up against some difficult questioning and snarled at the Senate Committee, "This is a high-tech lynching!" Which was pretty much the exact same thing. It's bad form and a fundamentally dishonest approach.
The more substantive thing here is that it's really immoral to get bogged down in the legal weeds about Gaza and the West Bank when the fundamental rights and wrongs are quite clear: Israel is in fact acting as an "occupying force" inasmuch as it uses the military to maintain order and basically shut down the people there, and there are settlers there who are stealing Palestinian land and taking it for themselves, all with the cooperation of the Israeli government. This isn't hard. When it comes to Gaza, Israel has slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians and destroyed their homes, businesses, and general infrastructure. And there is a not-unreasonable belief that the Israelis are tring to drive the Palestinians out Gaza entirely so that they can annex it for themselves. This is evil, and wrong, and it's a shame that Jews, who have a long and frankly glorious history of standing up for the weak, the oppressed, and minorities, would stoop to such a horror.
Morality aside, what is the endgame here? Unless Israel wants to exterminate the Palestinians, what do they figure is going to happen after their rage and bloodlust has subsided? That everything will somehow be transformed into some stable peaceful situation? It's craziness. What Israel has done is to guarantee the continued hatred of its neighbors--and, assuming there are any left at the end of all this, the occupied Palestinians--for another couple of generations or beyond.
Natasha Hausdorff, interviewed on Triggernometry, explains it all beautifully for you. If you have ears to hear
@@lechenaultia5863 Just one time it would be fun to hear somebody actually try to respond to the points directly, rather than with "Just watch so and so!" or "If you'd just pay attention it's totally obvious!" or other such bilgewater. Maybe you'd like to try, though if history is any guide, I doubt it.Are any of you capable of thought and willing to explain your position?
There are a lot of us with you, Rabbi, and not just those with a Christian agenda to convert Jews; just as a bunch of mensches from various backgrounds and faiths or not.
You can also put a spotlight in your conversation on West Papua when Indonesia invaded that country.
UN and the ICC totally ignored the crime and genocide on the people of West Papua by Indonesian military. UN and ICC spotlight on Israel is a total injustice that resulted in dividing the world.
You are talking about naked tribes. Each considers itself a nation and it will always end badly. People only back winners.
May the Lord God of Abraham protect and bless His people Israel and all foreigners who are in Israeli territory. Only the Lord God of Israel is God.🙏❤️🇮🇱👍💪
Really? You think God only likes Jews. How convenient for you
Sorry, I didn't follow all that legal jargon. Did Natasha just argue that the West Bank is not occupied, that it is part of Israel and that the Palestinians there treated as equals?
What you call west bank is Judea and Samaria, a part of Israel. Every Israeli citizen has equal rights. The Arabs that you call palestinian were given the chance to build their own state, on a huge part of Israel's tiny territory. They used it and the international money to bomb Israel, then to invade Israel, perpetrate the most horrific crimes. They still hold and torture Israeli hostages. So they don't deserve neither rights nor territory. You don't give rights to sociopath criminals. Case closed.
Do you argue that Israelis are treated as equals by the so called 'palestinians'?
Jews are indigenous to Judea Samaria. Balestinians are occupying parts of it.
From what I understand, Israel kept giving up more and more land, including the West Bank, in exchange for peace. Since the other side isn't upholding the peace part, it seems that the West Bank should be part of Israel.
That might not be how it's done, but it should be.
There's a huge amount of jealousy towards Israel for all the great and incredible things that jews individually and as a nation have achieved! They have enriched the world with so many positive things from the arts to the sciences...in fact all aspects of civilization! The ignorant masses need to wake up to how much we are indebted to these people.
It’s actually somewhat more complicated than she says, but in essence she is right that it cannot be maintained that the West Bank is occupied territory. To keep it simple: if the West Bank is occupied territory, from whom was it illegitimately taken? Israel took the West Bank from Jordan in 1967, but the Jordanians themselves were in occupation of that territory. They had occupied it by force in 1948. It was never a part of Jordan and the Jordanians never claimed it was. Its status was then and still is today unclear. The only formal guide to go on would be the division of the British mandate of Palestine made by the UN in 1947, but no Arab state or politician has ever accepted that division. So whose territory is it? Search me. The Palestinians claim it as theirs, but on behalf what state? Palestine isn’t a state. And by what authority do they make that claim? Search me.
Still, in both Gaza and West Bank/Judea & Samaria there are some 7 million non-Jews (Palestinian Arabs). If the idea behind using this argument is to rationalize annexing those territories it ignores the whole problematic dilemma of what to do with the Palestinians. Annex the land and grant citizenship? Ok, that's democratic but it will undermine the Jewish character of Israel. Annex the land but not grant citizenship? What then are the options? Limited autonomy for the Palestinians under their own non-state jurisdiction? Perhaps, but if Palestinians don't want that, then it has to be forced on them, meaning civil war. Another option is "transfer" the Palestinians, aka ethnic cleansing. That is a war crime and likely fits the legal definition of genocide. I think we need to be more imaginative and creative if we ever want to live in peace.
Not that many. Don’t exaggerate, please.
@@Anisky123 Ok, 6 million. 5 million. Add that to the 2.1 million Israeli Arabs and you get a bi-national state.
10/10
NEWSFLASH! Oct 7th was an INSIDE JOB.
Reference material would help form this discussion with people who did not see this video and will not take Natasha's word for it. I would say that 99% of people out there will state that what she's saying is a lie. So how to counter that? If I google for "original agreement formation Israel". The closest independant article I'm then getting, is a Wikipedia article about the Oslo accords, which state (according to Wikipedia):
Among the notable outcomes of the Oslo Accords was the creation of the Palestinian National Authority, which was tasked with the responsibility of conducting limited Palestinian self-governance over parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; and the international acknowledgement of the PLO as Israel's partner in permanent-status negotiations about any remaining issues revolving around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
This means (in my understanding) that the Gaza strip and the West Bank go to the palestinian people.
There's nothing I read about territory of Jordan and Egypt which they don't want and go (back) to Israel.
The article also states:
The Oslo Accords did not create a definite Palestinian state.[
If this is true, then what are the palestinians living in now? If it's not a country of their own, is it still Israel?
And of course, here comes the biggy: if it IS still Israel, does that not make them Israeli citizens (for better or for worse)?
Utter nonsense. There's no comparison between Israel/Palastine and Ukraine/Russia. The borders between the latter were agreed between the parties, Israel simply woke up one morning and decided that it was in charge of all that land.
In fact, applying uti possidetis juris would have meant that the area of the mandate would immediately fall under Palestinian control. This is probably why pro Israeli types constantly try and deny the existence of anything Palestinian despite the name, coinage and documentation all noting Palestine. The reason why it didn't was because the British had declared that the UN was to decide the region's future.
In fact, Israel has never overtly set out its borders, presumably because it hasn't finished the job of occupying everything it wants.
Accusations of blood libel are hysterically false and Housdorff has repeatedly made that accusation in interviews, usually on the basis of her bizarre claim that Israel hasn't killed any Israeli children. That ridiculous claim has as much credibility of her fake legal argument here
Israel woke up 1 morning ….
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Now that’s nonsense 😂
WW2 ~ the League of Nations!
Voted for the Jewish state of Israel to have their own homeland!
Who objected? Mohammedans by attacking 7 countries v day old Israel
Who won?
Ego & pride is your problem believing the lie of your false god.
Galatians 1 v 1-11…
The military aspect of the occupation is unquestionably legitimate and lawful because it was originally invaded and occupied by Israel because it was attacked from it, not just during the Six Day War but for 20 years prior, repeatedly. And a country that's attacked from an adjoining territory has the right under international law to invade and occupy that territory until such time as it believes that it's not longer under threat of attack from it.
Well, Israel does not yet have any such assurances, because while officially the PA claims to recognize Israel and renounce any attempt to attack or reclaim it, unofficially Israel is clearly still fair game to Palestinians who reside there, as they've been trying to attack Israel since Oslo. Therefore Israel is obliged, and has every right, to remain there, under a military occupation, out of self-defense.
What is in dispute is the long-term status of this territory, and whether Israel has the legal right to settle it with its people and eventually annex it. Personally, I believe that it doesn't, and that even if it did, it wouldn't matter, because over 2 million Palestinians live there and there's nowhere else for them to go. Israel can't kick them out or otherwise dispose of them, of course, it certainly doesn't want to rule over them as Israeli citizens, and it can't rule over them in a quasi-apartheid manner. So statehood--someday, in the very distant future, when it makes sense, which is not now for sure--seems like the only viable solution. Anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it.
Uganda kicked out the Indians, you are lying.
And the occupation by Israel of the Golan Heights? The concepts espoused by Hausdorf reveal that this occupation is illegal, as Israel is occupying an area of land outside its established border. This iss simply 2:58 another land grab to become a part of greater Israel in accordance with the messianic beliefs of the governing Likud Party.
First address occupied Antioch
The UN process created the state of Israel, as a Jewish homeland, and we have to realize all statements attempting to delegitimize that process would be a defiance of the UN mandate. All legal rights flow from that international decision to create the state. The UN did not, for some reason, also create a Palestinian state. So why not? Had the Palestinians chosen political instead of violent solutions, there is a rather significant remedy here.
Israel is called an occupier by people who want to deny the historical ties of Jews to Jerusalem and Judea. Jews were exiled from Judea by an occupying Roman Empire. Judea was then occupied by waves of competing foreign powers, including a perpetual power struggle between the Catholic Church of Europe and Ottoman and other Arab imperialists.
Do you want to see what an occupation looks like? Go to Istanbul, which was Byzantium before Constantine occupied it and renamed it Constantinople, and then renamed Istanbul by occupying Ottoman Turks. Check out how the Hagia Sophia was converted from a Christian cathedral to a mosque by putting up boards covered in Arabic.
That's an occupation for you.
Last I checked the Wailing Wall was still a ruin of the Jewish 3rd Temple in Jerusalem.
This is what "occupation" means. It means white anti-semites cherry picking history and adopting the Palestinian false narrative for strictly anti-semitic reasons. The Palestinians can't be bothered, and just directly advocate for Jewish genocide.
this was all the doing of UN and ICC
Bibi should get Natasha as his lawyer she would destroy the ICC and the UN
it's quite an easy one to answer Rabbi, Islamofascism, The Koran doesn't recognise us as a legitimate people, we are dhimmi's abandoned by Hashem at Mount Sinai when Moshe Rabeinu was told that the current generation couldn't enter the promised land until all the wicked had died out. The Koran simply states that muslims are the only descendants of these people and that the wicked were us Jews. It's an ideological argument, and of course incorrect as there was no islam until the 7th century AD.
She talking a sales pitch to me
5:02 Because the nations love HaSatan and not HaShem... they love the World and the wisdom of the world and reject their Creator and Torah... Undoubtedly Adonai is LORD over all flesh, but humanity desires to be their own god, in the same way that haSatan desired to usurp El Elyon. It is anti-semitism and anti-semitism is rooted in haSatan trying to thrwart the promises of Adonai because he knows that when all that must be fulfilled is fulfilled he is done... to be cast along with Death and Sheol into the lake of fire... reaping eternal separation from the source of all good, joy and life, El Shaddai. God has made His covenants and promises with the house of Israel and all nations are blessed because of the faith of Avraham and because of his seed...
How do you justify genocide and ethnic cleansing and that is exactly what is happening to the Palestinian population since 1948
He cant justify something that isnt happening 😉
An incredible video showing three pro Israeli people coming to the conclusion that is pro Israeli, let’s talk about a load of rules that no one else really understands and come to a conclusion that is exactly the conclusion we want, maybe what she says is true maybe it isn’t I don’t know, but we won’t find out unless we have a real discussion rather than this silly nonsense
My bible says; "God is not the author of confusion and disorder but of peace"(1 Corinthians 15:33).
It is Judah(Jews) who received the "Scepter" and Joseph and his two sons, Ephraim(British Empire) and Manasseh(American Empire), who received the "Blessings of the first-born" as for 1 Chronicles 5:1-2, who brought confusion and disorder to God's "Promised Land" to Abraham that Yeshua has to come back and handover to His Father who is the rightful owner of this land and not Jews, Arabs, Britain or America or any human being on this planet.
God Almighty reserved it for Himself to be given to His ruling sons of 144,000 first-harvest and the family of Israel and Judah whom He is expected bring back from their captivity of their enemies after the great tribulation.
I have indisputable acceptance of the truth in the "Word of God".
Having said that, the territory that bounded by the Abrahamic Covenant, an eternal covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 15:18 was never at one time since its inception occupied by Abraham's extended family fully.
Why?
Because the family of Jacob(Israel) never lived as God expected obeying His law and precepts.
Therefore until this age of 6000 years under man's rule under Satan comes to an end, do not expect God would tolerate any claim by Abraham's family until He hand over the family of Adam to Yeshua.
Until then who ever Yahweh allowed that land to be occupied whether Jews or Arabs should never be disturbed.
Therefore I fully agree with Natasha Hausdorff on the following points.
1 . "Zionist Movement" never had authority to proclaim a sovereign state for them from their God as for the "Law and Prophets" when He brought scattered Jews to that land through "British Mandate".
Reason, when God torn 10 tribes and gave "Israel" to Jeroboam and kept ONLY i tribe Judah whom we call Jews with Solomon's son until last king Zedekiah, it was done for the sake of king David and his throne to be uprooted and brought back to Britain under "family of Joseph".
Since then God removed self governance for Judah(Jews) from 585 bc to 70ad and dispersed.
2. When God brought Jews back in 1948, through "British Mandate", God never expected Judah(Jews) to proclaim a "sovereign state" for Judah again that God brought to an end by slaughtering Zedekiah's sons.
Having said that, God expected Britain where He established "Throne of David" to rule over the Jews and Arabs living in the land especially the remnant of Arabs that left from Ottoman(Esau) occupation of Jerusalem from 1517 -1917 to be ended by God's family of Joseph in fulfilling Isaac's prophecy to his son Esau after he asked for his blessing and promise land after selling his birthright to his younger brother Jacob as for Gen 27:40.
3- Therefore what Natasha Hausdorff says, if I understood her rightly must comply with the law of the land that God himself establish as prophet Daniel says that in his book, God rules over human governments.
Bottomline is, as for the God's Law and Prophets and the existing law of the land as Natasha Hausdorff says, God wanted both Jews and Arabs to be ruled by to whom God handed over Jerusalem from Ottoman, that is "British Mandate"(Ephraim) to continue until 1945, WW2 and handover the rule to Manasseh(America) after WW2.
That is what God Almighty would have thought both British Empire and American Empire would have done as God's last 2 "Birthright" empires of God what 1 Chronicles 5:1-2 says as Joseph who who got the wealth of this planet.
As if
Question: why 'double-standard' ONLY against Israel?
Answer: false assumption. the truth is that any organization (government, company, military unit, ...etc., etc...) that is based on truth, as Israel is, is subjected to evil persecution. The powers of evil rule the world. Those among us who fight for the truth are, ultimately rewarded by God; we (the truth fighters) get God's blessing. anyone who goes "against the flow", and fights for the truth, is fighting an uphill battle. And the reward for those difficult efforts is greater and greater, the more effort put in, and the more difficulties the fighter encountered.
the lesson is: don't expect a "free lunch". like Trump yelled out "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !!!".
Let me squeeze it bit more.
Ottoman Empire(family of Esau) occupied Jerusalem and the adjoining land from 1517-1917.
Ottoman were occupiers.
British Empire ended Ottoman occupation after WW1.
British Empire became the New Occupier.
The rulership then belongs to British Empire from 1917 onwards and no one else.
Arabs lived in that land under Ottoman have no right to rule that land from 1917 unless they subject them to the rule of British Empire.
When British Empire brought Jews to that land, they should never have promised Sovereign Rule either to Jews or Arabs because they do not have any claim to rule that land as it was God Almighty who gave that land in WW1 to the Birthright promised to Abraham, Isaac and Israel to Joseph who are the British empire as for Isaac's prophecy to Esau in Gen 27:40..
Jerusalem belongs to Yahweh and Yeshua and no one else.
Question is: this word "Occupation" would never have come if British Empire with their Military Might have ruled Jerusalem from 1917 onwards until 1945 and handover to American Empire after 1945 when Americans replaced the British before Yeshua's Second Coming!
God never gave Judah(Jews) the birthright except the rulership in the age to come in the kingdom as a spiritual blessing.
Judah should never have tried to claim the rights of Joseph as it is rebelling against God's word.
Because of what Judah(Jews) does today God is punishing Judah's children try to rule with AK-47 and killing God's children for a real estate that belongs to God who reserved for Himself to be given back to Yeshua when He sets up the kingdom in Jerusalem.
Thanks for the invitation. I don't think that it is a question of fear. It is that Natasha Hausdorff's opinion is a small minority opinion that wouldn't justify Israel's behaviour in its war anyway.
The only problem is that the West Bank and Gaza were not a part of Israel at the moment of its proclamation of independence as they didn't have a clear Jewish majority presence nor they were a part of the UN partition plan which was the basis of the Israeli independence at the time. They became a part of Israel only after 1967 war rather than initially.
Isn't that what's happening in the UK with Muslim migration, demanding Sharia Law. They have no birthright or historical right yet they think they do.
Wrong. Because the Arabs did not accept the UN recommendation. Israel did. It therefore has the best claim to the land.
Since the Partition Plan was violently rejected by the Arab League and Palestinian militias with the announced intention of destroying Israel, it was rendered inoperative. It was not a law, it was a compromise recommendation by the UN General Assembly, which doesn't have the authority of making international law. The Arab League attack on Israel was an aggression and any land Israel was able to take in response to this aggression became part of Israel. After all, most of the Galilee was not part of the Partition Plan, and that is now sovereign Israel.
This is not an argument for annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, but just an explanation. Annexing those territories creates a whole new set serious problems for Israel, mainly the only democratic way of doing that is to grant full citizenship tot he Palestinians living there. Once citizens they will form their own political parties and in the first parliamentary election they would likely form about 50% of the house and could easily vote to change the character and name of the country. I wish the annexationists among us would understand this.
Baruch Adonai Elohim Israel, God bless Israel. >> fakestine is fake
Rules and laws only apply when it suits them otherwise those same rules and laws are “antisemitic” 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ten minutes ago laws & rules were openly, admittedly disregarded & trampled on.
This seems a dangerous and tricky position to stake out. If one wants to take this position then one has to also explain why the Arabs living in Gaza, Judea and Samaria were not immediately Israeli citizens upon the declaration of the state. That means that all Arab refugees of 1947-49 would have a right to return, since citizens do have a right to leave their country and return.
You expect too much of apartheid & supremacy.
Does anyone know about wiki or do you just take the word of an Israeli propagandist?
Do you refuse to believe any source that disagrees with what you have chosen to believe?
Personally, I don't know if what she is saying is accurate or not. I tend to side with Israel, but that doesn't mean that anyone who sides with Israel is correct.
Are you willing to acknowledge that not every source that speaks against Israel is correct?
@@bhazerelli7611 I am in my 70's and have watched this sh*t show all my life. Used to believe Israel was in the right until I really started to research the subject. All available resources, and took a critical thinking approach to it. Seeing Israeli mistruths was easy to discredit. An example: Israelis continuing destruction of schools in Gaza, same excuse every time it was a Hamas control center. Is Hamas that dumb not to realize after the first few school bombings that it was not a place to have themselves be, if they were ever there. NO so the only deduction to be made is that Israel is purposely killing women and children. There was no baby beheadings and rapes, proven lies why does Israel put that out there? I could go on and on. Israel is a terrorist state the only difference is they have a powerful media and propaganda arm
Propagandist Sorry clever use of words to deny Palestinians their right to live in their land
I think this misses a much more important point: there's nothing wrong with not calling Israel's control of the West Bank 'illegal occupation', or even just 'occupation', per se - but the control which Israel exerts in the West Bank, where most of the native inhabitants are not Israeli citizens and do not enjoy the same democratic rights - or even human rights - as Israelis, is, regardless of whether it is considered 'occupation' or not, apartheid.
You need to see Nyahoo's greater IS map comprising the whole of Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan Iraq and more. I am convinced, it's a temporary map. Iran, Ukraine, Xijiang, The Hague... are to co-opt next. Rejoice!
Are you saying that forming terrorist plots is a human right?
@@oliverduke1173 I don't think what I said even remotely touches that. But I am saying that Israel rules with apartheid in the West Bank (and, actually, not only in the West Bank, but in the West Bank it's glaringly blatant), regardless of whether it's an 'occupation' or not.
This conflict: It's 1990. A man goes to Mike Tyson's house, rings his door bell, when Mike opens the door, the man punches him in the face. Mike beats him up so bad that he's hospitalized.
Next week he does the same thing. And the week after that, and the week after that... and each time the man says "How dare he!? I only punched him once and he beats me to a bloody pulp!"
So STOP GOING TO MIKE'S HOUSE and punching him in the face.
Mike stole the house from that guy and made him a refugee, that was the. old Mike
@@abbotsful *Correction: Mike's grandfather took the house from the man's grandfather and passed it down. Ownership is now in the hands of a new generation who can't do anything to undo the past. If ancestral claims justify eternal violence, what options do the Jews have to end it? The only option offered to them is to hand 100% of the land back to them and live under Palestinian rule, knowing what they intend to do to 100% of their population if they get the power to do so.
It's the 'Arab-Israeli conflict', not the 'Palestinian-Israeli conflict'. The people who were in the British Mandate of Palestine before its dissolution in 1947 were Jews and Arabs, not just Arabs. Therefore, it is a misuse of the term 'Palestinian' to refer only to Arabs who want to overthrow Israel.
Balfour says a Jewish homeland in Palestine. At this time it was occupied by ottomans, yet supposedly the arabs are disappointed they were not 'given' a state. Nobody can give you a state, you have to defend and rule it.
so you are saying that through the rejection of the partition plan by the arabs (whoever it was that spoke for the arabs and who legitimized it) and through the arabs' attack on israel, the external borders defined in the partition plan became the sovereign territory of the state of israel? through the rejection and the war, the territories recommended to the arabs also fell under the sovereignty of israel in 1948? because jordan never annexed judah / samaria, but only occupied it and lost it in 1967? just as gaza was not annexed by egypt, but was occupied in 1948 and lost in 1967?
the craziest of all antisemitism is that this very argument leads "the other side" to negate the entire sovereignty of the state of israel. it is not without reason that the disgusting formula “from the xxx tp the xxx” means the obliteration of israel. this worls is a shameless place. some say utis possestita juri does not count for Israel because of the aggression through arab states 1948.
Oh cut it off with your pathetic lies. 🙄
And you will do better when you will educate yourself 😂
This lawyer is a blight on humanity. FACT
You call yourself TheTruthForYou when you can’t handle the truth at all? These are known facts.
Calling a truth speaker a blight on humanity doesn't make sense.
The truth will set you free from lies you have believed.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness. Who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
( Isaiah 5:20 )
These are the words of the God of Israel.
If you turn from your sin and ask for forgiveness through Jesus you will be saved. On your present course in life I feel sorry for you.
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@William-l9k
A truth speaker: What world do you live in.
She supports Israels genocide and slaughter of women, children, and babies in the Middle East. Disgusting
Suggest you look closer at all the spin, lies, and misinformation that she inserts into her speeches.