Should Christians Be Inclusive?
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Should Christians be inclusive of all sinners and lifestyles into their assemblies? Should the Church welcome every sinner and let them continue to live in that sin? What about the verses that say not to even associate with some sinners? How do we know who to accept and who not to into the Body?
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The biggest problem with all of this for the people who self identify as Christians (I personally do not), is their definition of what is sin (transgression of Torah) vs. righteousness (right choice ness). If the Torah has been done away with, as most “Jesus” believing churches believe, and “once saved always saved”, they have nothing to repent of. They do good according to their own definition of what is good (including and embracing LGBTQ, etc.). Those of us who believe on the name of Yeshua - the Word made flesh, the way, the truth and the life, the light, the living Torah - and follow Him in loving obedience to the Father’s Word, there is the real challenge. We are not in that worldly church system, so automatically don’t fellowship with them. We have excluded ourselves from their sinful practices. Are we to put ourselves back into that lawless system so we might preach the true gospel to them? As the strait gate and narrow path gets narrower as we near His return, the people we regularly associate and fellowship with becomes much smaller. This is a personal challenge for me, as He has called me out of the worldly system and into a more rural agrarian lifestyle where my daily encounters with people are much more limited.
Well said!
14¶Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Excellent teaching, brother Shalom
Those who do not practice or attempt to practice holy living or who have not forsaken their sin and continue to practice their sin shalll not be admitted to the congreation
We are set apart
You seek to be accepted into the congregations of man rather than of GOD. There is sin in the confregations of man, but those who live spiritually are saved by GOD. Just because you are in the congregation does not mean you are holy. But those who are holy in the name of HA'MASHIAKH are His and His FATHER whom is GOD; ELOHIM YAHOWAH.
Yeshua gave the message of Revelation to John so he absolutely spoke against homosexuality within Rev 21:6-8. If there is no sin, there is no need for a Savior.
Shabbath Shalom!
Glory to The Holy One of Israel!!!
We should reject the ways of the world, but we are not to judge who should or should not receive HA'MASHIAKH YAHOSHUA and His Truth whom He heard from The FATHER. We are to spread the good news to all four corners of the earth creating a way for HA'MASHIAKHs return. The church does not seek the Will of The FATHER nor complete the commands of MASHIAKH, so inturn, they do things by their own understandings and not the understanding of ELOHIM.
We are to follow in YAHOSHUA HA'MASHIAKHs footsteps that He so gladly ensampled to us.
We are servants of ELOHIM, not the church.
Amen, say that again!
"I'd rather be a gatekeeper to the house of G-d than allow the wicked to set up camp inside."
Thanks 119 !
Shabbat shalom.
Shabbat shalom from Rogers, Arkansas!
If sin is transgression of the law... should we exclude those who profess the name of Messiah, but do not believe they are bound to the law? I'm speaking of catholics and protestants who profess the name of "Jesus", but do not keep the Sabbath, the dietary laws, the set-apart feast days, etc?
Don’t you sort of already do that in a way? I’m sure you’re not a Sunday church-goer and don’t go to their Christmas and Easter celebrations.
@@NANA-fh6we Correct. My question is: Should I take it a step further and not eat meals together? Or maybe, consider them outside the faith?
@@jameshenry1285 That’s tough, but ultimately I consider many of them to be deceived by a false gospel. A lawless messiah came to abolish God’s terrible burdensome law. That’s what many people actually believe simply because they don’t actually know the word. These kinds of people I don’t necessarily fault, they are just ignorant.
Now, there are those who I believe intentionally shut their ears to the truth and fabricate things to live in their delusion. These kinds of people I stay away from entirely. People like RL Solberg for instance
@@NANA-fh6we Thank you for that. Shabbat Shalom beloved mishpacha!
Something to think about, for sure.
You/we who know the Law is not “done away with” are not welcome in most churches.
Do we treat them the way we are treated??
I think maybe not.
Love your “enemy” and pray for them.
Thank you
The Jerusalem council in Acts is the guild line as well
Jesus came to our world 🌎 given too us
They are to be included but not to tolerated for they need to repent and be restored to God's way of thinking and doing
I love this video, but it should have started from the definition of a "church" which is not the building but a group, body, or assembly of believers in Yehushua or the gospel, the set aside (holy) people or followers of the Torah. So, those that want to be included, are they in this category of human beings?
Shabbat Shalom
At the 3.07 mark you quote John 3.16 but it says SHOULD and not Will Not. Big difference
Another point is breaking down the real depth of the word Gospel, in my search Yeshua talks of the Gospel of the Kingdome, not the New Testament, although it contains the Kingdome message when it was finaly published.
At the 20.10 mark you say WILL BE SAVED but it says Might.
I am not picking this apart but wanting to point out that these little words are very big and important.
What about Rom. 1?? Thus what about LHBTQI practisers ?
1. No such biblical thing as a place one goes to, called "church." The "church" is the bride; the group of surrendered people.
2. No such biblical thing as an allowed clergy/laity system, titles, elevating some over others or setting up earthly authorities. The only authority is God/Son/Holy Spirit. A biblical elder knows this.
3. No such biblical thing as inclusion of anyone in the gathering who is unsurrendered. The "church" is not the place for the lost. We are to GO out and preach the gospel but only bring those in who accept/repent and they are called "the church."
4. If someone does not live according to Torah, and they refuse repentance, they are to be "handed over to Satan for the saving of their soul" by getting rid of the yeast in our midst.
5. No one is to be invited into our home even, if they bring a different message. This is the reality of "purge the evil from among you" as Torah says. If we do welcome them, we participate in their evil work.
'they are to be "handed over to Satan for the saving of their soul"'
i'm sorry, where did you get that absolute nonsense from?
it sounds as if it comes straight out of the joo-ish talmud.
They want us to ACCEPT sin
Yes
Jesus came to us
LOL you know what I just realized from this! Paul (the one everyone says said they could break the law) , quite literally taught the law 🫠
1) Smite (in todays age i take that as = Do not associate with) believers that have gone after false gods, nor keep things used in idol worship - Deut. 13:12-17
2) Don't listen to family or loved ones leading you to worship other gods, and "kill' them (again= completely remove yourself from them and their influence) Deut.13:6-11
Basically Deuteronomy 13 is all about having nothing to do with “brothers” that teach you to disobey (go after other gods) YHWH
Sound of the Shofar
Isaiah 58:1-2
Cry aloud, spare not, lift up Thy voice like a shofar, and show My people their transgression, and the House of Jacob their sins. Yet they seek Me day by day, and delight to know My ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their Elohim: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to Elohim.
Deuteronomy 6:4 John 10:30
Shema O Israel, Yahweh our Elohim is Yahweh Unity. And I and My Father are Unity
John 8:17-18
And in the Torah it has been written that the witness of two men is true. I am the One witnessing concerning Myself, and He who sent Me, the Father, witnesses concerning Me.
Deuteronomy 19:15
"One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any evil or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established
John 15:21-24
But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.
1 John 3:4
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
By the Torah Your servant is warned and keeping them is great rewards
Proverbs 28:4
Those who forsake the Torah praise the wicked, But such as keep the Torah contend with them.
Proverbs 28:13
He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
Shavuot? What Is It.
Turn at my rebuke; Surely, I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you. And it is the giving of His Spirit and His Torah. Amen!
Matthew 18:21. Repentant (Transgressions one confeses to God in Prayer and asks for his Forgiveness in the name of Yeshua Ha Maschiach) if a Neighborhood, Brother or Sister was harmed by an Action of Transgression(s) then confess the Transgression, apologize and if there is a remedy to the Transgression, be willing to provide it. How many times must i forgive...answer seventy time seven which is not a finite number, means to continually forgive. It is the unrepentant sins that are judged. So every time the word sin is mentioned in this lesson, substitute it with unrepentant sin. Matthew 18:21-35 provides the fullness of the lesson. The Debt in the Parable is Sin. We dont exclude our Brother and Sisters if they continually repent of their sins. If a Brother or Sister continues to sin against you in an unrepentant way, then and only then is a separation appropriate, do not rejoice over this as we may have lost a Brother or Sister. The 613 Laws in the Torah define sin. Are we without spot or blemish in our thoughts and actions, it is only so because of our Redeemer Yeshua Ha Maschiach. Shabbat Shalom 119. 😊
Your ministry should have a entire teaching of the book of Revelation, in chronological order of events, from beginning to end.
This piece dances around the truth. Christians LIVE in violation of the 4th Commandment and do not even consider their "elimination" of one of Yah's laws spoken with his mouth and written in stone as any form of sin...it is. Doesn't James say if you are guilty of breaking one law, you are guilty of all?? This piece fosters the lies and misdirections of Christianity and acts as though it was a viable option for those seeking salvation while it is actually the road to destruction.
Hate the sin but love the sinner. You can have a sinner in your mix as long as you don't join or endorsed the sin. Continue to love on them and offer healthy choices/ lifestyle changes. If you say some sins are too much to deal with, you are limiting God.
You missed the whole point.