Cubase has an amazing feature that no other daw has. The possibility to manually draw the sound wave of an audio Clip. I think it's a simple but really useful feature.
Is there any "live" component to the scale awareness? Meaning, I find that I create faster when I'm just noodling around on the keyboard. But when I find something I like the SOUND of, I need help quickly identifying what chords or arpeggiations I've created. Obviously need quicker music theory skills, but I've been wondering what tool can help with this flow.
is the Global Scale mappable to midi controllers or automatable in any way? What about the new midi generators/transformation controls? Please say they are mappable so they can be utilized in live sets :)
I started to make music for fun around the year 2000 with Magic Music Maker 2000 and that software had a simple but really useful feature. You could pitch the preview of the loop/sample in real time while the song was playing so it was way easier and faster to try samples that are not in tune with the current project. Like, for example, your song is in Gmaj and you find a sampled Rhodes chord lick which would be perfect but is in Bmaj or in another scale with borrowed notes with Gmaj if pitched differently. Do they implemented this feature in live 12 by any chance? If not I really hope they'll release an update as soon as possible...
They just announced the coming release and let us share news of the beta. I think lots of people want to see how it’s going to work. But I hope people don’t feel like they have to wait for 12 to come out before they can make great music!
Heya Brian! Great video, thanks! I had one question about Scale Awareness - what if I WANT to play a funky or jazzy accidental note that is outside of the scale?
Go for it! You can! On the MIDI devices you wouldn't be able to; they will filter those notes out and into the scale. But you can always play or input the notes into the piano roll as normal.
when you use a microtonal scale and you automate the pitch of a midi note and you slide it up a semitone: is it a standard 12edo semitone or is it a note up in the microtonal scale?
depends on the instrument. the tuning system works by using MPE. thats how the instruments are able to change their tuning. But, as long as its an mpe instrument, like abletons devices, it would be a microtonal bend, yes
You would just have to input those notes manually. Still pretty easy and fun. You can also swap scales per Clip, so you can switch a Clip to the scale you are borrowing from.
I don't think you can automate them. We will be able to make our own tunings soon, I don't know about scales though. Scales can be changed within Clips, so it's pretty much the same as automating them.
Thanks for a quick response! Would be cool to automate them as that would help a lot with compositions with advanced harmony such as jazz. Where what scales should be played can often change on a chord to chord basis.@@BrianFunkMusic
@@JoSebastianMusic My pleasure, and I see what you mean. If you are working in Arrangement View, you could chop your Clips up by chord and change the scale on each Clip. I think that's the same result but a slightly different workflow. I must admit though, I hope my music never gets that complicated! 🤣
@@BrianFunkMusic Yes that seem like a doable approach thank you! I just pre-ordered live 12 it will be fun to play around with. It will be fun to be able to not only make chord progressions but also "Scale progressions" with the new features, see what weird things i can make🤣
Let's say I've set all my clips to F Major and linked the MIDI devices to global scale & key. Will everything be properly transposed, and scale constrained if I switch the global to C Aeolian? Is the global key & scale automatable? BTW, great channel - subscribed :)
The Key and Scale at the top of the screen isn't really a Global setting. It displays the key and scale of whatever Clips are selected. New Clips will adopt whatever it is set to. The devices will follow whatever the Clips are playing. When you hover over the Key and Scale at the top, Live's Info View calls it the "Current" Key or Scale. So the devices and scales will adjust to whatever the Clip is playing, as you said in your question. But no, these parameters are not automatable or MIDI Mappable.
@@BrianFunkMusic Thanks! That's a bit disappointing, but perhaps they plan to add global functionality and some sort of Chord Track later? We'll see, I guess :)
@@Artek604 Maybe the automation is disappointing? But once I wrapped my head around the Keys and Scales it made sense. It's really easy to work with, to the point where you don't even really need to think about it once it's set up.
I wish we could get a demo of this before buying, I'd like to know if the tunings can be set to what ever I want, in case there is not a preset for it. For example 432hz. I'd also be interested to see if the tunings also change the tuning in certain plugins such as NI, Arturia pigments etc.
I think this is going to be possible. I think it might be already, but I’m not completely sure if what I was doing was completely accurate. But it looks like once the companion site launches we can design our own custom tunings easily. If so, I’ll make a 432 tuning just for you!
ok, so ableton has a tuning file thats just 12 tone equal temperament. when you load it, it allows you to change the reference pitch. i had the same plan as you haha i set it to 432hz. BUT scale awareness doesn't work if you use a custom tuning. For weirder tunings, that makes sense. But just changing the reference pitch, still uses the exact same chords, so scale awareness would work, but it disables it
@@Randuski do you think that's because it's in beta, or it just doesn't have the capability? I may have to get a refund in that case. I believe FL studio has that capability and i already have live 11
PROBLEM : FOR SOME NOTES, THE RATIONAL TUNING (I tested the 12 Quintal Center C) IS A LITTLE BIT OFF. YOU CAN TEST IT BY COMPARING THE TUNING WITH THE NATURAL FREQUENCIES FROM AN OPERATOR . A beat effect (phenomenon when two sounds of almost same but slightly different frequencies are played at the same time) When configured properly , play two Opearators along, both tuned on rational tuning : − one via the piano roll, playing the natural harmonics notes one after an other (for ex. one note every 1/4) (I started from C) - the other one playing the same note C but with its Coarse Frequency parameter automated accordingly ( rising 1 step of Coarse param. every 1/4) Among about 15 notes I heard 2 or 3 frequencies having beat effect, showing that: − either the 12 Quintal Center C Rational Tuning is little bit off, − either the operator coarse frequency is not tuning perfectly, − either its a problem of sample rate/ digital inaccuracy of floating numbers.. − either something I have not thought of, but it annoys me, You can call me absurdly crazy or autistic since I think absolutely nobody cares about that. But if you know an explanation I would be happy to hear it (read it to be more precise)
the one thing that i have wanted in ableton is the ability to have Just Intonation. which basically requres notes to be tuned differently depending on the chord being played. Logic has something called Hermode Tuning, which is pretty close to exactly that, except its based on the root note of the chord. But i've wanted to be able to make music with chords that are truly in harmony, and not 12 tone equal temperament. Buuuuuut if ableton has tunings that include microtuning, so basically all the notes in standard 12 tone, but also include all the quarter tones in between them, then youd be able to do it. it would just be time consuming to draw everything in hahaha
only 12 years behind cubase but welcome all the same! I've been requesting this for a decade ever since moved off cubase to ableton in 2012!
Cubase has an amazing feature that no other daw has. The possibility to manually draw the sound wave of an audio Clip. I think it's a simple but really useful feature.
@@mttlsa686 lots of daws have that now, but Steinberg were the first to do it in Wavelab I think
Thanks for this presentation . Probably the main feature wich justify to update to v12. All the rest is cosmetic.
my thoughts too
It's very powerful and makes the writing process a little extra fun and experimental!
2024 is going to be a great year 😎
Is there any "live" component to the scale awareness? Meaning, I find that I create faster when I'm just noodling around on the keyboard. But when I find something I like the SOUND of, I need help quickly identifying what chords or arpeggiations I've created.
Obviously need quicker music theory skills, but I've been wondering what tool can help with this flow.
I don't think there's anything like that but it's an interesting idea. Like you play something and it tells you what key you are in...
Hi where can i find a list of scale available in scale awareness
I just took a pic for you here: instagram.com/p/C0EvO4KOl9Y/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
is the Global Scale mappable to midi controllers or automatable in any way? What about the new midi generators/transformation controls? Please say they are mappable so they can be utilized in live sets :)
Strange Stretching artifact overtones.???
I started to make music for fun around the year 2000 with Magic Music Maker 2000 and that software had a simple but really useful feature. You could pitch the preview of the loop/sample in real time while the song was playing so it was way easier and faster to try samples that are not in tune with the current project. Like, for example, your song is in Gmaj and you find a sampled Rhodes chord lick which would be perfect but is in Bmaj or in another scale with borrowed notes with Gmaj if pitched differently.
Do they implemented this feature in live 12 by any chance? If not I really hope they'll release an update as soon as possible...
Nothing like that, but I can see how that would be very useful! 🤞maybe one day!
Why do you have a whole series on something thats not even out yet and we dont even know when?
The beta is out. it releases early next year. Why not have it? Ppl are curious
They just announced the coming release and let us share news of the beta. I think lots of people want to see how it’s going to work. But I hope people don’t feel like they have to wait for 12 to come out before they can make great music!
is it possible to add my own scale in the main menu of this "new scale menu"? I can't find anything on this feature…
I don't think you can add scales, but you can add tunings. Check this site out: tuning.ableton.com
Does Tuning works only with the integrated live synths or do they work also with VST?
It works with VSTs that support MPE and all of Live's synths.
Heya Brian! Great video, thanks! I had one question about Scale Awareness - what if I WANT to play a funky or jazzy accidental note that is outside of the scale?
Go for it! You can! On the MIDI devices you wouldn't be able to; they will filter those notes out and into the scale. But you can always play or input the notes into the piano roll as normal.
when you use a microtonal scale and you automate the pitch of a midi note and you slide it up a semitone: is it a standard 12edo semitone or is it a note up in the microtonal scale?
depends on the instrument. the tuning system works by using MPE. thats how the instruments are able to change their tuning. But, as long as its an mpe instrument, like abletons devices, it would be a microtonal bend, yes
I would love it you could put in some notes and it could tell you what scale youre actually in and THEN select it
That's a cool idea!
amazing this!!..
is there a way you can snap the scale to the white keys only within ableton 12 without buying a maxforlive device to do it?
Yea, that's what the scale awareness does. You can just select C Major!
This was like the only thing about Logic that I really like!! coming straight to my everyday drive
It's a really fun way to work.
Nice! I think ill buy 😎
thank youuuu
Instant Mr. Rogers Neighborhood sounds.
Which is a beautiful thing!
i wish audio would conform to the scales too
Yea that would be pretty sick!!
@@BrianFunkMusic like loopcloud, ableton should just acquire loopcloud
I can't wait
How does Scale Awareness allow one to use borrowed chords ?
Accidentals?
@@whocares8735 You can still use those notes via MIDI keyboard or piano roll.
You would just have to input those notes manually. Still pretty easy and fun. You can also swap scales per Clip, so you can switch a Clip to the scale you are borrowing from.
arpeggiator at 3:53 activated some Sonic The Hedgehog core memory for me
You're right! I hear it now too! It's like the bonus stage music or something!
@@BrianFunkMusic haha YES!
Can you automate tunings and scales? and is it possible to make your own tunings and scales?
I don't think you can automate them. We will be able to make our own tunings soon, I don't know about scales though. Scales can be changed within Clips, so it's pretty much the same as automating them.
Thanks for a quick response! Would be cool to automate them as that would help a lot with compositions with advanced harmony such as jazz. Where what scales should be played can often change on a chord to chord basis.@@BrianFunkMusic
@@JoSebastianMusic My pleasure, and I see what you mean. If you are working in Arrangement View, you could chop your Clips up by chord and change the scale on each Clip. I think that's the same result but a slightly different workflow. I must admit though, I hope my music never gets that complicated! 🤣
@@BrianFunkMusic Yes that seem like a doable approach thank you! I just pre-ordered live 12 it will be fun to play around with. It will be fun to be able to not only make chord progressions but also "Scale progressions" with the new features, see what weird things i can make🤣
@@JoSebastianMusic It's definitely easy to get weird!! I look forward to hearing what you come up with!
Let's say I've set all my clips to F Major and linked the MIDI devices to global scale & key. Will everything be properly transposed, and scale constrained if I switch the global to C Aeolian?
Is the global key & scale automatable?
BTW, great channel - subscribed :)
The Key and Scale at the top of the screen isn't really a Global setting. It displays the key and scale of whatever Clips are selected. New Clips will adopt whatever it is set to. The devices will follow whatever the Clips are playing. When you hover over the Key and Scale at the top, Live's Info View calls it the "Current" Key or Scale.
So the devices and scales will adjust to whatever the Clip is playing, as you said in your question.
But no, these parameters are not automatable or MIDI Mappable.
@@BrianFunkMusic Thanks! That's a bit disappointing, but perhaps they plan to add global functionality and some sort of Chord Track later? We'll see, I guess :)
@@Artek604 Maybe the automation is disappointing? But once I wrapped my head around the Keys and Scales it made sense. It's really easy to work with, to the point where you don't even really need to think about it once it's set up.
@@BrianFunkMusic Have you ever used chord track in other DAWs? If not, then I can understand you not being disappointed ;)
@@Artek604 I haven't. What DAW do you suggest I check it on? Does Logic have it?
I wish we could get a demo of this before buying, I'd like to know if the tunings can be set to what ever I want, in case there is not a preset for it. For example 432hz. I'd also be interested to see if the tunings also change the tuning in certain plugins such as NI, Arturia pigments etc.
You’ll be able to make and import custom tunings. They will only work with MPE compatible plugins
I think this is going to be possible. I think it might be already, but I’m not completely sure if what I was doing was completely accurate. But it looks like once the companion site launches we can design our own custom tunings easily. If so, I’ll make a 432 tuning just for you!
@@BrianFunkMusic 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
ok, so ableton has a tuning file thats just 12 tone equal temperament. when you load it, it allows you to change the reference pitch. i had the same plan as you haha i set it to 432hz. BUT scale awareness doesn't work if you use a custom tuning. For weirder tunings, that makes sense. But just changing the reference pitch, still uses the exact same chords, so scale awareness would work, but it disables it
@@Randuski do you think that's because it's in beta, or it just doesn't have the capability? I may have to get a refund in that case. I believe FL studio has that capability and i already have live 11
PROBLEM : FOR SOME NOTES, THE RATIONAL TUNING (I tested the 12 Quintal Center C) IS A LITTLE BIT OFF. YOU CAN TEST IT BY COMPARING THE TUNING WITH THE NATURAL FREQUENCIES FROM AN OPERATOR .
A beat effect (phenomenon when two sounds of almost same but slightly different frequencies are played at the same time)
When configured properly , play two Opearators along, both tuned on rational tuning :
− one via the piano roll, playing the natural harmonics notes one after an other (for ex. one note every 1/4) (I started from C)
- the other one playing the same note C but with its Coarse Frequency parameter automated accordingly ( rising 1 step of Coarse param. every 1/4)
Among about 15 notes I heard 2 or 3 frequencies having beat effect, showing that:
− either the 12 Quintal Center C Rational Tuning is little bit off,
− either the operator coarse frequency is not tuning perfectly,
− either its a problem of sample rate/ digital inaccuracy of floating numbers..
− either something I have not thought of, but it annoys me,
You can call me absurdly crazy or autistic since I think absolutely nobody cares about that. But if you know an explanation I would be happy to hear it (read it to be more precise)
the one thing that i have wanted in ableton is the ability to have Just Intonation. which basically requres notes to be tuned differently depending on the chord being played. Logic has something called Hermode Tuning, which is pretty close to exactly that, except its based on the root note of the chord. But i've wanted to be able to make music with chords that are truly in harmony, and not 12 tone equal temperament. Buuuuuut if ableton has tunings that include microtuning, so basically all the notes in standard 12 tone, but also include all the quarter tones in between them, then youd be able to do it. it would just be time consuming to draw everything in hahaha
Mr. Funk laying down the 411s on 12! Love it! Will absolutely be upgrading to this! The micro tuning is very interesting. 👌
That's right! Yea the micro tuning is really interesting and mysterious too! I'm expecting some interesting experiments to come of it!