"I don't know anything about the concept of code", and then bouncing off geometry, and then "I also have never played a game in my life". Full respect, but it's like Rowan Ellis came from an entirely different planet than me, and it's stunning that we have any way to communicate.
These days, I'd be less confused if somebody told me they'd never listened to music before. It's like a whole chunk of the human experience just... missing.
@@SquantI get not coding, I still see it as not an universal experience. But never having played a video game in their life? Unless the person is over 40, I simply don't believe it.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews Maybe she doesn't consider old stuff like Snake or even Minesweeper games? There's a lot of gatekeeping in the gaming world, so she probably just hasn't played anything on a console or whatever and didn't even consider anything else.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews 40-50 would probably put you in the Golden age of the arcade. I don't think age is a valid separator of opportunity to enjoy games. Perhap it gets more likely over about 70, but they still have had ample opportunity to try games.
Took the "Assume a spherical cow" but forgot the cow No, that was fun to watch knowing the answer from the start, but tom immediately catching markus as notch was unexpected lol
@@MegaLokopo - It _is_ a generational thing (though most of this panel is still young enough to have some overlap). I've played hundreds of games, but Minecraft was not one of them, and the same goes for most gamers my age. Back when I was building things out of blocks, we had real Lego. 😉 I still figured out it was about Minecraft, though (from "Markus"), but I had no idea what the pigs looked like or whether other creatures looked like pigs.
In minecraft vertical is actually the Y axis, not Z. Which is something I somehow remember from the days back in beta when I still played, yet I've never heard about the origin of the creeper.
Z is depth pretty much everywhere (the depth buffer used in 3D rendering is literally known as the "Z-buffer"). He was probably creating the early models programmatically, instead of importing them from a 3D application, and typed in the coordinates for the body in the wrong order (swapping Y and Z), but typed them correctly for the legs (otherwise the legs would also have been pointing the wrong way).
So much fun to watch some incredible smart people, have no idea about the infamy of the accidental Creeper creation. Guess that happens when you learn things and not play games all day lolol
It's not really a matter of being smart, it's just a matter of not having played that specific game, same as not knowing that two specific Pokémons look a bit like each other, or that some creature in Warcraft is a reference to something in Diablo.
@@h4724-q6j - Which only reinforces my point that it's not about being smart. Though if you _have_ played it, you would at least know what a "creeper" is. I get the feeling that a couple of the panellists didn't even know that, so they simply couldn't guess it, even by going through every creature.
Oh this is the first time I knew immediately what the answer was. It's quite a lot of fun to watch everyone struggle, especially after "Oh I know" from two of them :D
Zombie-pigman is an interesting one. On several other questions this would have gotten the: 'you're on the right track, I mean you're wrong about absolutely everything, but you're on the right track' - bipedal: wrong - created before/after the regular pig: wrong - the creature was 'skin of a pig, model/proportions of something else': exactly backwards - timing: off by approximately a decade (pretty long given the lifespan of the average game) But the 'the mistake lives on as another creature in the game' is correct
The biggest (wrong) assumption that they were stuck on for a while was them thinking the mistake stuck around on the pigs themselves because Markus made the mistake and never got around to fixing it. It took till they were told that the pigs in the final game weren't the first attempt for them to realise this.
I think it it worth mentioning the likely source of the error; in Java (the programing language Minecraft was originaly written in) the vertical axis is usualy the Y axis, where as in most other contexts Z is usualy the vertical axis.
0:15 is this the minecraft story? 1:56 okay, so to explain it further, I mean the story about creepers being originally pig with bad body proportions. 4:43 they've got all sorts of right answers (looking at other mobs, something being the wrong direction, vanilla minecraft...) but they haven't named the one thing!
I'm completely obsessed with Minecraft, my brain is like an encyclopedia for it... this was one of the first "fun facts" about the game I learned, so that was an instant guess for me.
it'd actually be the Z and Y axis that he mixed - in minecraft, Y is the height as others have mentioned, and X and Z are, well, in the world they're east-west and north-south but in models Z is front to back and X is side-to-side. So the value that was supposed to be on the Z axis [front to back] ended up being the Y axis [height]
Yep. He was probably typing the coordinates of each body block manually, instead of importing the whole model from a 3D application, and swapped Z and Y on the main body section (but not the legs).
They probably knew it was about Minecraft, but I'm sure more than 10% never played it, and of the ones who did, not all knew the answer (they look different enough in the final game that the relationship isn't immediately obvious).
Before watching any of the video or reading any comments, I immediately knew what it was. When notch tried to make a pig but he was taller than he was long 😂
I saw the question and I was thinking "Well maybe he got the X and Y screwed up, so the pig came out all tall, kind of like how when Minecraft was being made... oh wait."
That's actually exactly what I thought at first, when he said it's common error, but then I thought it's too simple for it to be asked well. Well, it's _very_ common, a little too much maybe.
I almost never get these while the question is being asked but I knew this one immediately because of 10+ years of useless Minecraft knowledge and I happened to be playing it while I was listening to this episode
@@Gammix it depends, when you do a graph the X is horizontal and Y the vertical. But, when you look at a map the X is the longitude and Y the latitude, because you look at the map from above. Then you add Z for height/depth
_Thank_ you for acknowledging that this is unusual and confusing. I had a "friend" who always made me feel like shit for being confused in Minecraft, including when I realized I'd been walking for minutes in the wrong direction because I expected the coordinates to be in a sane order
They got almost everything, but just missed that one crucial bit that the pig was accidentally made with the torso vertical rather than horizontal causing it to be really weird.
This is the first time I've gone "well this is obvious" 😂 oh god this is painfullll to watch Hi I used to live on that wiki, of course I know this trivia
This never should have been a question, if you play minecraft, know anything about code or geometry, and you know who marcus is. Then you know the answer, otherwise you would never know and never be able to guess.
Initial thoughts: before knowing the question itself, I went right to Pink Floyd's inflatable pig. Now knowing the question, I have no clue and a university degree in computer science that is no help at all here. "#include "? "pig()~" (corkscrew tail) instead of "pig();"?
How the hell do you make a live, immortal pig with computer code? I know how to make a live pig if you have 2 pigs already, but none of the pigs you make will be immortal.
True story, I opened this in a new tab along with a few others and as I was hovering across them I thought this was a M*[spoilers]*t video. Suffice to say, I knew it from just the title alone; having played the game since 2011, nerding/geeking out over it, diving deep into the technical side of it
I heard "Markus", "code", and "pig", and immediately knew the answer. Oink oink boom.
Yes, indeed! :-)
congratulations for playing the stupidest game ever with graphics worse than Doom
My immediate thought was "I didnt know Notch's name is Markus!"
Yeah, I knew it instantly too
@@panda4247 Games aren't about graphics, they're about having fun 🤷♂
I did not expect Tom to instantly get that it was Minecraft
From how he talked about it, neither did he.
It's not so much 'instantly gets minecraft' is surprising.
It's the combination with 'and nothing else' that makes it surprising.
The pig model went full USS Los Angeles...
"I don't know anything about the concept of code", and then bouncing off geometry, and then "I also have never played a game in my life". Full respect, but it's like Rowan Ellis came from an entirely different planet than me, and it's stunning that we have any way to communicate.
These days, I'd be less confused if somebody told me they'd never listened to music before. It's like a whole chunk of the human experience just... missing.
@@SquantI get not coding, I still see it as not an universal experience. But never having played a video game in their life? Unless the person is over 40, I simply don't believe it.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews Maybe she doesn't consider old stuff like Snake or even Minesweeper games? There's a lot of gatekeeping in the gaming world, so she probably just hasn't played anything on a console or whatever and didn't even consider anything else.
@@Squant When she said that, I immediately thought "That's like saying you've never seen a movie before."
@@TheDanishGuyReviews 40-50 would probably put you in the Golden age of the arcade. I don't think age is a valid separator of opportunity to enjoy games. Perhap it gets more likely over about 70, but they still have had ample opportunity to try games.
The way Tom connected Markus to Minecraft so fast was impressive
Took the "Assume a spherical cow" but forgot the cow
No, that was fun to watch knowing the answer from the start, but tom immediately catching markus as notch was unexpected lol
The generational gap between the contestants and the audience is on full display today 😂
It isn't a generational thing. It is a hobbies thing, they don't play video games, but they are the same age as many hermitcraft members.
@@MegaLokopo - It _is_ a generational thing (though most of this panel is still young enough to have some overlap). I've played hundreds of games, but Minecraft was not one of them, and the same goes for most gamers my age. Back when I was building things out of blocks, we had real Lego. 😉
I still figured out it was about Minecraft, though (from "Markus"), but I had no idea what the pigs looked like or whether other creatures looked like pigs.
As someone older than Tom, I knew the answer straight away.
Nothing to do with generation. Strange as it may seem, not everyone who plays video games plays minecraft or fortnite.
Point proven even more with the Ame(?) pfp. I doubt anyone on this panel even knows of Hololive.
I got it while the question was being read
Same.
I didn't know Notch's real name, so it took till Tom linking it to Minecraft for me to get it.
one of the very few lateral questions i can actually answer immediately
In minecraft vertical is actually the Y axis, not Z. Which is something I somehow remember from the days back in beta when I still played, yet I've never heard about the origin of the creeper.
Z is depth pretty much everywhere (the depth buffer used in 3D rendering is literally known as the "Z-buffer"). He was probably creating the early models programmatically, instead of importing them from a 3D application, and typed in the coordinates for the body in the wrong order (swapping Y and Z), but typed them correctly for the legs (otherwise the legs would also have been pointing the wrong way).
maybe he got y and z mixed up then
I asked my 16 year old this and he guessed it IMMEDIATELY.
So much fun to watch some incredible smart people, have no idea about the infamy of the accidental Creeper creation. Guess that happens when you learn things and not play games all day lolol
It's not really a matter of being smart, it's just a matter of not having played that specific game, same as not knowing that two specific Pokémons look a bit like each other, or that some creature in Warcraft is a reference to something in Diablo.
@RFC3514 You can have played the game and still not know this particular story.
@@h4724-q6j - Which only reinforces my point that it's not about being smart. Though if you _have_ played it, you would at least know what a "creeper" is. I get the feeling that a couple of the panellists didn't even know that, so they simply couldn't guess it, even by going through every creature.
Instantly recognised that from the title.
From the title, I was like "I wonder if it is..."
*First word*
"It is."
So did I. Almost anyone who plays MC enough or is terminally online will know this instantly.
Or, to add to my comment, anyone who owned the Handbook or played the legacy Console edition.
Yeeeeep
Every Minecrafter worth his salt immediately got this one.
I love that Rowan Ellis's subtitles are the same color as her hair.
"Markus made a code error to his pig..." Creeper, instant
Oh this is the first time I knew immediately what the answer was. It's quite a lot of fun to watch everyone struggle, especially after "Oh I know" from two of them :D
Tom basically forgot that he has enough trivia knowledge to compensate for his lack of gaming knowledge...
Zombie-pigman is an interesting one.
On several other questions this would have gotten the:
'you're on the right track, I mean you're wrong about absolutely everything, but you're on the right track'
- bipedal: wrong
- created before/after the regular pig: wrong
- the creature was 'skin of a pig, model/proportions of something else': exactly backwards
- timing: off by approximately a decade (pretty long given the lifespan of the average game)
But the 'the mistake lives on as another creature in the game' is correct
The biggest (wrong) assumption that they were stuck on for a while was them thinking the mistake stuck around on the pigs themselves because Markus made the mistake and never got around to fixing it. It took till they were told that the pigs in the final game weren't the first attempt for them to realise this.
I think it it worth mentioning the likely source of the error; in Java (the programing language Minecraft was originaly written in) the vertical axis is usualy the Y axis, where as in most other contexts Z is usualy the vertical axis.
One of the rare occasions where I immediately knew the answer! 😅
0:15 is this the minecraft story?
1:56 okay, so to explain it further, I mean the story about creepers being originally pig with bad body proportions.
4:43 they've got all sorts of right answers (looking at other mobs, something being the wrong direction, vanilla minecraft...) but they haven't named the one thing!
Not me saying 'Aw Man!' thoughout this entire video
I knew this fact except for 1 part: I didn't know his model program wasn't visual.
Thinking about it, it was probably just a text editor.
I came across this anecdote pretty recently; but that did mean I got it the moment the question was read.
I'm completely obsessed with Minecraft, my brain is like an encyclopedia for it... this was one of the first "fun facts" about the game I learned, so that was an instant guess for me.
it'd actually be the Z and Y axis that he mixed - in minecraft, Y is the height as others have mentioned, and X and Z are, well, in the world they're east-west and north-south but in models Z is front to back and X is side-to-side. So the value that was supposed to be on the Z axis [front to back] ended up being the Y axis [height]
Yep. He was probably typing the coordinates of each body block manually, instead of importing the whole model from a 3D application, and swapped Z and Y on the main body section (but not the legs).
It was amazing how much they circled it
It was fun to watch them struggle with the question, but I bet 90% of the audience knew the answer.
They probably knew it was about Minecraft, but I'm sure more than 10% never played it, and of the ones who did, not all knew the answer (they look different enough in the final game that the relationship isn't immediately obvious).
Pigs? Geometry? Someone mix up swine and coswine?
>Accidentally creates a Creeper
*years later*
>Becomes a creep
Master gambit, sir
Fun fact: it is X and Y axis. He coded it with Y as the vertical.
I soon as I heard the word "code" I knew exactly what it was.
Haven't played it much, but knew it before the question was repeated. I'm still going to watch though.
Did you know that an anagram for GRAPEFRUIT is UREPIGFART?
6:08 actually in minecraft y is the vertical axis so it's not x and z but indeed x and y or maybe y and z
Tom Scott setting it up and also knocking it home, wow!
I got this one even before clicking on the video
When he said common modelling mistake, I thought perhaps the surface normals got flipped, in which case "inside-out" would have been very close.
I got it from the thumbnail!
Aw man
Before watching any of the video or reading any comments, I immediately knew what it was. When notch tried to make a pig but he was taller than he was long 😂
Never played Minecraft and still knew the answer before he finished the question.
Tom must notice everything he never played Minecraft but knew the answer.
Got this one from the title alone. Not very often I get these, let alone that quickly.
Every Gen Z viewer (including myself) was collectively screaming at the screen for this video.
0:10 Minecraft creepers.
I knew this one pretty quickly but still do not know how they expected them to get to the answer without just knowing Minecraft trivia.
I saw the question and I was thinking "Well maybe he got the X and Y screwed up, so the pig came out all tall, kind of like how when Minecraft was being made... oh wait."
The intro is based on piles of cubes and Tom knows so little of Minecraft.
This is the first Lateral video I’ve watched where I knew the answer immediately
That's actually exactly what I thought at first, when he said it's common error, but then I thought it's too simple for it to be asked well. Well, it's _very_ common, a little too much maybe.
I thought he'd got the normals backwards.
5:42 “Minecraft’s Grim Reaper”
Creeper x pig classic
The question gave the answer straight away, but i didnt know it was "marcus"
This is the first time, I knew the answer before the question was done reading, I knew soon as the Pig was mentioned.
Somehow creeper being mutated pigs seems appropriate.
No, no, no. The creeper came first. Pigs are mutated creepers.
2:49 I highly doubt that
I almost never get these while the question is being asked but I knew this one immediately because of 10+ years of useless Minecraft knowledge and I happened to be playing it while I was listening to this episode
Markus, Code, Pig...hmmm
That's a very nice pig you have there...hsssss.
And that is also why Minecraft uses Y for height in their coordinate system, instead of the standard Z for height.
I thought it was just because when you look at a 2d coordinate plane the y axis is usually the vertical one
@@Gammix it depends, when you do a graph the X is horizontal and Y the vertical.
But, when you look at a map the X is the longitude and Y the latitude, because you look at the map from above. Then you add Z for height/depth
_Thank_ you for acknowledging that this is unusual and confusing. I had a "friend" who always made me feel like shit for being confused in Minecraft, including when I realized I'd been walking for minutes in the wrong direction because I expected the coordinates to be in a sane order
Z is definitely not "the standard for height". A _depth_ buffer is literally known as a "Z-buffer" in 3D coding. X is width, Y is height, Z is depth.
If you search for "xyz coordinates 3d" in Google Images, you will see that Y often stands for height.
one of the few lateral questions I guessed from the video name
Really hedging on someone in the group knowing anything about Minecraft. If you don't know what a Creeper is, this question is preeeetty impossible.
I caught this one pretty quickly, from the name and the animal involved. Been playing that game a bit recently, as it happens.
I may have played too much minecraft, I got it from the thumbnail
When I saw the question, I instantly checked the length of the video and was shocked at how not-short it was 😂
They got almost everything, but just missed that one crucial bit that the pig was accidentally made with the torso vertical rather than horizontal causing it to be really weird.
The creeper's sound was sampled from cooking bacon.
This is the first time I've gone "well this is obvious" 😂 oh god this is painfullll to watch
Hi I used to live on that wiki, of course I know this trivia
Insantly knew this one.
I got that just from reading the question myself as Alec was reading it out
Slightly irritated me how long it took them to get it tbh 😅
didn't even finish the question, and yeah. creepy creepy oink oink
No idea about coding or gaming, bit would have liked to have seen an image of what these 'creepers' were......
I knew this as soon as I knew it was Minecraft. Didn't know it was Minecraft until someone mentioned it tho.
This never should have been a question, if you play minecraft, know anything about code or geometry, and you know who marcus is. Then you know the answer, otherwise you would never know and never be able to guess.
The title was enough to guess this!
Knew this one from the get go!
5:14 but apparently not big enough nerds to actually know this from the very beginning
Aw, man!
I love how I knew from the first sentence lol
Yup, I knew this one too
I got it in like 5 seconds, the time it took to read the question
Had it within like 5 words lol
This one drove me nuts as I knew the answer immediately :/
It's, Notch, innit.
Initial thoughts: before knowing the question itself, I went right to Pink Floyd's inflatable pig. Now knowing the question, I have no clue and a university degree in computer science that is no help at all here. "#include "? "pig()~" (corkscrew tail) instead of "pig();"?
Results: I was far off and lost on this one.
me who is currently playing minecraft right now: "GGAAHH!!! its so simple and easy!!!"
How the hell do you make a live, immortal pig with computer code?
I know how to make a live pig if you have 2 pigs already, but none of the pigs you make will be immortal.
i know this trivia as well. nice.
surprised that no one in the comments mentioned that his surname is Persson not Peterson
i hate that i instantly knew this
I knew this one!
I knew the answer instantly
Creeper
Didn't know Hatsune Miku was such a clumsy coder
Aw, man
True story, I opened this in a new tab along with a few others and as I was hovering across them I thought this was a M*[spoilers]*t video. Suffice to say, I knew it from just the title alone; having played the game since 2011, nerding/geeking out over it, diving deep into the technical side of it
No idea what a creeper is.
huh, that's something i didn't know about minceraft
Knew it immediately
Let me just say, Rowan's line of questioning was absolutely fantastic, she really knew where to drill down with this
ah yes, a 6 legged, 3 tailed pig
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