Thorne leaves, Charlie enters and Brooke says, "We may never get another chance like this" and I totally thought that scene was going in another direction.
Actually, watching the scene with Brooke and Charlie, it occurred to me that Brooke is now orchestrating an _exact repIica_ of the Venice scheme (which she once thought was so terribIe). Eric wanted to prove that Brooke had feelings for Ridge, in order to show her that she shouldn't marry Thorne, and did this by staging a scene where Thorne saw Ridge and Brooke together, with Taylor being the one who has the role of "opening the curtain" to let Thorne see the scene. Now, Brooke wants to prove that Rick has feelings for Amanda, in order to show him that he shouldn't marry Amber, and does this by staging a scene where Amber will see Amanda and Rick together, with Charlie being the one who has the role of "opening the curtain" to let Amber see the scene. What remains to be seen is if there is any fallout from Brooke's scheme that could create some kind of symmetry with the fallout from the Venice scheme. For example, it would be _very_ satisfying if the imminent coIIapse of Brooke's marriage to Thorne was somehow connected to this scheme of Brooke's (but I really don't remember any such connection).
@@annieo6527 good point! And that's just another reason Brooke comes across very hypocritical. It was horrible for them to do this to her (even tho her actions with Ridge pretty much proved they were right). But OK for her to do the same thing to Rick.
And Amber is much more decent. Maybe if she slept with Rick, then slept with Thorne, then slept with Ridge... and then got pregnant and not be sure who's the father between Thorne and Ridge... Brooke might have a case to be doing the most.
*The One and Only Stephanie* We've been here before with Amber and Rick. Back when they were married, Rick wanted to live the life of an unencumbered college guy and Brooke was opposed to Amber. This dynamic was an attempt to create a new version of Stephanie vs Brooke out of Brooke vs Amber, with Amber as the outsider trying to marry into a wealthy family and Brooke as the matriarch trying to keep her out. And we see that happening again here. Indeed Brooke trying to make amends with Stephanie before reassuming her opposition to Rick and Amber's relationship is her attempt to become the new Stephanie - to put the old one away (memorialized in that photo album) and assume her role as meddling mom and defender of the family against an outsider. Note the class dimension to Amber's embarrassed reaction when Deacon asked Brooke to play pool - as if Brooke is now the uptight, upper-crust matriarch who wouldn't know about such a lower class pastime. And yet, Amber and Brooke have never fully fit into that new paradigm. In episode 3192, I wrote that Tawny’s relationship with Amber - where Tawny drove the plot and Amber’s actions - was a mirror version of the Stephanie/Taylor relationship thus preventing Amber from fully becoming Brooke and ergo Brooke couldn't become Stephanie. And now here this time Amber is being supported by the “good” maternal figure (Stephanie) and her relationship with Rick is becoming another battleground for the Stephanie vs Brooke feud. In this way, Stephanie is preventing Brooke from becoming the new Stephanie. Her presence in this storyline means Brooke can’t fully assume the upper-crust matriarch role because Stephanie has been doing that for much longer and she outranks Brooke (in class and in the family hierarchy). It’s almost as if she’s saying, “This photo album was a nice gesture but I won’t let you gold watch me into retirement. I’m still the one and only Stephanie.”
Great read! Love the closer. 👏👏👏 It's funny, the show couldn't really make Brooke the new Stephanie as you said so instead Brad tried to make Stephanie the old Brooke (with the Massimo retcon).
Great post! I think the primary difference between the two women (besides the disparity in their portrayers’ acting abilities) was their intent. No matter how questionable Stephanie’s actions could be sometimes, you always felt they came from a place of wanting to protect her children and family, of her having the moral high ground. In contrast, Brooke claims to care about Rick, but that doesn’t wash because she blew him off throughout the whole storyline of finding and sparring with Deacon. This seems more about her spiteful dislike for Amber than anyone else’s good. That’s why Stephanie easily keeps her title.
The Brooke-Amber relationship resembles a little bit the Morgan-Stephanie relationship. Stephanie didn't want her 20something son to have to settle with a 17 year old Morgan and felt that Ridge had not been mature enough for marriage and fatherhood. Brooke did not want her 17 year old son to have to marry and she still does not want her 19 year old son to marry and to raise a son who isn't his son. Brooke is not really like Stephanie and their actions and outcomes are not the same. Brooke couldn't prevent that first marriage and her meddling only stalls what is going to happen because Rick and Amber aren't like Morgan and Ridge either. And then Brooke gets another chance, will try to prevent her 18 year old daughter from marrying someone Brooke believes is only using Bridget who is too young to get married yet - and we will see that Brooke won't ever be able to take the place of *Queen Stephanie* , the Forrester matriarch and *protector* of her family.
Great post! This is part of the "mimicry" pattern we talked about in S8 (Brooke's "glitchy Good Girl" phase), where the show tried to put Brooke in Taylor's role and it didn't work because the character type and motivations were not right. And now we have the show doing the same thing with Brooke supposedly playing Stephanie's role in relation to Rick/Ridge and Amber/Brooke. This transition to Brooke-as-Stephanie became evident when Rick got involved with Amber, but the first hint was probably when Rick 🔫Grant and forgot about it, mirroring Stephanie's storyline from 1988 when Thorne 🔫Ridge and forgot about it. But again, it doesn't work and the show will take a sharp turn back into the "Super Brooke" characterization (with Brooke's marriage to Thorne falling apart and her going back to pursuing Ridge and then getting pregnant by her daughter's husband).
@@sharonstewart4882 Good point about Brad bringing Stephanie down to Brooke's level. In fact so much of his writing feels like a fan service attempt to redeem Brooke and (when that fails) to rewrite history and make other characters just as "bad." That's also why Taylor ends up crossing the same in c es t u o us lines like Brooke. And the whole reason he did the Massimo retcon was to make Ridge not Eric's son so that Brooke can be with Ridge without having kids who were fathered by a father and his son.
Its amazing how Susan Flannery manages to elevate every scene she shares with other actors,even if their acting is mediocre, SF always brings out the best in all of them..such a gifted actress.
Soo... All these months Rick has been fighting for custody of Eric, Brooke hasn't helped him out once, and barely even spoke to him.. In fact, Steph had to tell her what was going on with her own son, bc she was busy trying to get together with her former stepson. Now that she has "won" that battle she has all the time in the world for this nonsense, teaming up with a 20 year old. Notably... Up to now she hasn't spent one second with the child her son considers as his own.
Rick was lucky that his mother was busy with something else. Going by her current actions Brooke definitely would have been team CJ and would have paid the million so that CJ raises him and marries Amber.
@@mara4450 I wouldn't have minded if she even did that. At least she'd have been involved. She literally didn't know and /or care what was going on with her own son, bc she was too self absorbed. Not for the first time.
Not sure why ppl are equating Brooke to Steph. That's like equating brass to gold. It seems Brooke's problem isn't so much Rick being too young to be married/settled down. She just doesn't want him to be married to Amber bc she doesn't think Amber is in the "class" she'd prefer. She doesn't seem to mind Rick being with Amanda, the preppy girl from college class. Steph's problem was never Brooke's station in life.. It was that Brooke never had any class at all, and acted classless and with no responsibility for her actions all the time. Why would she want that in her family? She also recognised that Brooke never really loved either Eric or Thorne and would eventually hurt them, and was trying to prevent that. It is clear, to me anyway, that their motivations are different
I would disagree and argue that dating Amanda does not have to mean that Rick will have to get married to Amanda right away (and I hope Brooke and Eric had had a talk with Rick about birth control measures after that first unplanned pregnancy). 😅 But all of Brooke's kids definitely disagree with Brooke on that matter (That they should wait with getting married until they have finished college).Well, there is at least one child that didn't get engaged/married at the age of 17/18.
@@mara4450 and that's my point. Her problem doesn't seem to be Rick marrying /settling down. (I'm sure if Rick said he was marrying Amanda she'd be cool with that.) Her problem is Amber bc she doesn't think Amber is of a high social standing enough for her son. Conversely that wasn't Steph's problem with Brooke. She actually liked Brooke, til she discovered she was a snake with entitled behaviour who would continuously stop at nothing to get what she wanted at everyone's expense. But I will agree that I hope someone has explained the birds and the bees to Rick lol.
Are you forgetting Amber was Rick’s babysitter who knocked him up while he was in high school? Almost ruined his life with a pregnancy. With a baby that wasn’t even his? Yeah I think is more than just class. Brooke might be homewrecker. But Amber has pulled so many schemes over the years. There’s a difference.
BRORNE were so upset about TRIDGE and Éric tricking them in Venise yet here they are flying all the way to San Francisco to do the same thing to Rick and amber Talk of hypocrisy
Stephanie was there for Rick the whole time and talked to him more than his own mother. No wonder she knows more about his emotional life and even if Brooke did, she wouldn't care anyway because it always has to go her way. She's a horrible mother.
It was such a 180 when she did as the last few months other than empathising over Steffy, Brooke never gave him a second thought. Taylor is missing and Brooke is nowhere near him.
@@milivanilli1197 this storyline dragged on for so long!!! I remember and interview with HT at the time and she said she wanted to burn those clothes as she had worn them for weeks.
REALLY odd. I just said last episode how this random friend cares way to much about what Ric does in his own life. Whether he dates that college girl, Amber or whoever how does that benefit him for doing all this meddling? It doesn’t even effect Brooke and that’s his mother.
Because he's crushing on Rick😂. But, in all seriousness, this is just lazy writing. The show introduces this childhood friend of Rick's as a plot device that is really just there to move the story along, as opposed to exist as an actual character. To justify his existence though, he has to have an unhealthy obsession with Rick's love life. It makes no sense but it's the only way to move the story forward (in the limited minds of this writing team).
Stephanie would never have let Thorne or Ridge marry at 20. Ridge was in his early 20’s when he was with Morgan and Stephanie made sure that relationship did not continue. Both Stephanie and Brooke can be manipulative when they want something! Stephanie is only happy about Amber and Rick as Rick is not her son and it annoys Brooke 😂
Hmmm…She’s supposed to be so HAPPY & FULFILLED now that she married this guy-remember that was ALL that she wanted, the most IMPORTANT thing in her life- yea sure ok- married to the doof for 5 minutes and now barging into Rick’s business and lying to her husband. Thorne can’t even keep her occupied for a month- they’re a terrible couple. All they have in common is under the sheets and even THAT can’t keep her in L.A or away from Amber and Rick 😂😂
Thorne leaves, Charlie enters and Brooke says, "We may never get another chance like this" and I totally thought that scene was going in another direction.
I honestly would not have been surprised if it did...
She doesn’t go full cougar for a few more years. Enter Oliver. Pose Pose Pose!
@@kpbv68307 I felt bad for Oliver
Actually, watching the scene with Brooke and Charlie, it occurred to me that Brooke is now orchestrating an _exact repIica_ of the Venice scheme (which she once thought was so terribIe).
Eric wanted to prove that Brooke had feelings for Ridge, in order to show her that she shouldn't marry Thorne, and did this by staging a scene where Thorne saw Ridge and Brooke together, with Taylor being the one who has the role of "opening the curtain" to let Thorne see the scene.
Now, Brooke wants to prove that Rick has feelings for Amanda, in order to show him that he shouldn't marry Amber, and does this by staging a scene where Amber will see Amanda and Rick together, with Charlie being the one who has the role of "opening the curtain" to let Amber see the scene.
What remains to be seen is if there is any fallout from Brooke's scheme that could create some kind of symmetry with the fallout from the Venice scheme. For example, it would be _very_ satisfying if the imminent coIIapse of Brooke's marriage to Thorne was somehow connected to this scheme of Brooke's (but I really don't remember any such connection).
@@annieo6527 good point! And that's just another reason Brooke comes across very hypocritical. It was horrible for them to do this to her (even tho her actions with Ridge pretty much proved they were right). But OK for her to do the same thing to Rick.
Brooke is only mad that Rick has chosen a girl like her. When she sees Amber she sees herself 😂😂
Amber is better than Brook
Amber is actually way more decent.
And Amber is much more decent.
Maybe if she slept with Rick, then slept with Thorne, then slept with Ridge... and then got pregnant and not be sure who's the father between Thorne and Ridge... Brooke might have a case to be doing the most.
Finally someone seeing Amber the way I’ve always seen her.. She has a lot in common with Brooke!😂👍🏻
Rick's "friend" Charlie is way too invested in this...
*The One and Only Stephanie*
We've been here before with Amber and Rick. Back when they were married, Rick wanted to live the life of an unencumbered college guy and Brooke was opposed to Amber. This dynamic was an attempt to create a new version of Stephanie vs Brooke out of Brooke vs Amber, with Amber as the outsider trying to marry into a wealthy family and Brooke as the matriarch trying to keep her out. And we see that happening again here. Indeed Brooke trying to make amends with Stephanie before reassuming her opposition to Rick and Amber's relationship is her attempt to become the new Stephanie - to put the old one away (memorialized in that photo album) and assume her role as meddling mom and defender of the family against an outsider. Note the class dimension to Amber's embarrassed reaction when Deacon asked Brooke to play pool - as if Brooke is now the uptight, upper-crust matriarch who wouldn't know about such a lower class pastime.
And yet, Amber and Brooke have never fully fit into that new paradigm. In episode 3192, I wrote that Tawny’s relationship with Amber - where Tawny drove the plot and Amber’s actions - was a mirror version of the Stephanie/Taylor relationship thus preventing Amber from fully becoming Brooke and ergo Brooke couldn't become Stephanie. And now here this time Amber is being supported by the “good” maternal figure (Stephanie) and her relationship with Rick is becoming another battleground for the Stephanie vs Brooke feud. In this way, Stephanie is preventing Brooke from becoming the new Stephanie. Her presence in this storyline means Brooke can’t fully assume the upper-crust matriarch role because Stephanie has been doing that for much longer and she outranks Brooke (in class and in the family hierarchy). It’s almost as if she’s saying, “This photo album was a nice gesture but I won’t let you gold watch me into retirement. I’m still the one and only Stephanie.”
Great read! Love the closer. 👏👏👏 It's funny, the show couldn't really make Brooke the new Stephanie as you said so instead Brad tried to make Stephanie the old Brooke (with the Massimo retcon).
Great post! I think the primary difference between the two women (besides the disparity in their portrayers’ acting abilities) was their intent. No matter how questionable Stephanie’s actions could be sometimes, you always felt they came from a place of wanting to protect her children and family, of her having the moral high ground. In contrast, Brooke claims to care about Rick, but that doesn’t wash because she blew him off throughout the whole storyline of finding and sparring with Deacon. This seems more about her spiteful dislike for Amber than anyone else’s good. That’s why Stephanie easily keeps her title.
The Brooke-Amber relationship resembles a little bit the Morgan-Stephanie relationship.
Stephanie didn't want her 20something son to have to settle with a 17 year old Morgan and felt that Ridge had not been mature enough for marriage and fatherhood. Brooke did not want her 17 year old son to have to marry and she still does not want her 19 year old son to marry and to raise a son who isn't his son.
Brooke is not really like Stephanie and their actions and outcomes are not the same. Brooke couldn't prevent that first marriage and her meddling only stalls what is going to happen because Rick and Amber aren't like Morgan and Ridge either.
And then Brooke gets another chance, will try to prevent her 18 year old daughter from marrying someone Brooke believes is only using Bridget who is too young to get married yet - and we will see that Brooke won't ever be able to take the place of *Queen Stephanie* , the Forrester matriarch and *protector* of her family.
Great post!
This is part of the "mimicry" pattern we talked about in S8 (Brooke's "glitchy Good Girl" phase), where the show tried to put Brooke in Taylor's role and it didn't work because the character type and motivations were not right. And now we have the show doing the same thing with Brooke supposedly playing Stephanie's role in relation to Rick/Ridge and Amber/Brooke.
This transition to Brooke-as-Stephanie became evident when Rick got involved with Amber, but the first hint was probably when Rick 🔫Grant and forgot about it, mirroring Stephanie's storyline from 1988 when Thorne 🔫Ridge and forgot about it.
But again, it doesn't work and the show will take a sharp turn back into the "Super Brooke" characterization (with Brooke's marriage to Thorne falling apart and her going back to pursuing Ridge and then getting pregnant by her daughter's husband).
@@sharonstewart4882 Good point about Brad bringing Stephanie down to Brooke's level. In fact so much of his writing feels like a fan service attempt to redeem Brooke and (when that fails) to rewrite history and make other characters just as "bad." That's also why Taylor ends up crossing the same in c es t u o us lines like Brooke. And the whole reason he did the Massimo retcon was to make Ridge not Eric's son so that Brooke can be with Ridge without having kids who were fathered by a father and his son.
Its amazing how Susan Flannery manages to elevate every scene she shares with other actors,even if their acting is mediocre, SF
always brings out the best in all of them..such a gifted actress.
Brooke touched Stephanie in a special way so now she thinks she's the perfect judge of character. Doing what Stephanie did to her to Amber.
"Brooke touched Stephanie in a special way" 🤭
I'm surprised Brooke didn't hit on Rick's friend. After all she was flirting with the pizza delivery guy the other day.
The SFTV forced herself into the Foresster lifestyle and has the Audacity to say Amber doesn't belong with Rick
What a HYPOCRITE
Bc in Brooke's mind, only she's allowed
A hypocrite, yep, that’s Brooke!
Soo... All these months Rick has been fighting for custody of Eric, Brooke hasn't helped him out once, and barely even spoke to him.. In fact, Steph had to tell her what was going on with her own son, bc she was busy trying to get together with her former stepson.
Now that she has "won" that battle she has all the time in the world for this nonsense, teaming up with a 20 year old.
Notably... Up to now she hasn't spent one second with the child her son considers as his own.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! Again perfect example of how much self-centered and selfish Brooke really is!
Rick was lucky that his mother was busy with something else. Going by her current actions Brooke definitely would have been team CJ and would have paid the million so that CJ raises him and marries Amber.
@@mara4450 I wouldn't have minded if she even did that. At least she'd have been involved. She literally didn't know and /or care what was going on with her own son, bc she was too self absorbed. Not for the first time.
Not sure why ppl are equating Brooke to Steph.
That's like equating brass to gold.
It seems Brooke's problem isn't so much Rick being too young to be married/settled down. She just doesn't want him to be married to Amber bc she doesn't think Amber is in the "class" she'd prefer. She doesn't seem to mind Rick being with Amanda, the preppy girl from college class.
Steph's problem was never Brooke's station in life.. It was that Brooke never had any class at all, and acted classless and with no responsibility for her actions all the time. Why would she want that in her family? She also recognised that Brooke never really loved either Eric or Thorne and would eventually hurt them, and was trying to prevent that.
It is clear, to me anyway, that their motivations are different
I would disagree and argue that dating Amanda does not have to mean that Rick will have to get married to Amanda right away (and I hope Brooke and Eric had had a talk with Rick about birth control measures after that first unplanned pregnancy). 😅 But all of Brooke's kids definitely disagree with Brooke on that matter (That they should wait with getting married until they have finished college).Well, there is at least one child that didn't get engaged/married at the age of 17/18.
@@mara4450 and that's my point. Her problem doesn't seem to be Rick marrying /settling down. (I'm sure if Rick said he was marrying Amanda she'd be cool with that.)
Her problem is Amber bc she doesn't think Amber is of a high social standing enough for her son.
Conversely that wasn't Steph's problem with Brooke. She actually liked Brooke, til she discovered she was a snake with entitled behaviour who would continuously stop at nothing to get what she wanted at everyone's expense.
But I will agree that I hope someone has explained the birds and the bees to Rick lol.
@@TriniT21 I agree.
Doesn't Charlie kind of look like Whip?
Are you forgetting Amber was Rick’s babysitter who knocked him up while he was in high school? Almost ruined his life with a pregnancy. With a baby that wasn’t even his? Yeah I think is more than just class. Brooke might be homewrecker. But Amber has pulled so many schemes over the years. There’s a difference.
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BRORNE were so upset about TRIDGE and Éric tricking them in Venise yet here they are flying all the way to San Francisco to do the same thing to Rick and amber
Talk of hypocrisy
Brooke is unbelievable 😒
Why they subject us to so many Brooke scenes when we want to know what happens with Taylor?
In the opening credits, they use the same photo of Morgan twice 😊
Stephanie was there for Rick the whole time and talked to him more than his own mother. No wonder she knows more about his emotional life and even if Brooke did, she wouldn't care anyway because it always has to go her way. She's a horrible mother.
Going to admit Tim's shots in the opening credits are legit 👌🏿
So when is Brooke going to remember that she never stopped loving Ridge?
It was such a 180 when she did as the last few months other than empathising over Steffy, Brooke never gave him a second thought. Taylor is missing and Brooke is nowhere near him.
@@kymdp1969 true, but does anyone know how many episodes are left until she realizes cuz I‘m tired of that Morgan Storyline 🤣
@@milivanilli1197 this storyline dragged on for so long!!! I remember and interview with HT at the time and she said she wanted to burn those clothes as she had worn them for weeks.
Charlie seemed WAY too invested in Rick’s personal life…I found it odd.
REALLY odd. I just said last episode how this random friend cares way to much about what Ric does in his own life. Whether he dates that college girl, Amber or whoever how does that benefit him for doing all this meddling? It doesn’t even effect Brooke and that’s his mother.
I made the same comment.
Why in the world does he care so much?
Because he's crushing on Rick😂. But, in all seriousness, this is just lazy writing. The show introduces this childhood friend of Rick's as a plot device that is really just there to move the story along, as opposed to exist as an actual character. To justify his existence though, he has to have an unhealthy obsession with Rick's love life. It makes no sense but it's the only way to move the story forward (in the limited minds of this writing team).
@@leviaj1definitely if it was 2024.
Brooke doesn’t like Amber, cause she reminds Brooke of what she used to be
I couldn’t agree more!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What she is*
Yes Thorne you got it hhh Brooke is definitely planning on breaking up Rick and Amber lol
So Brooke wants to do to Amber a very similar thing that was done to her and Thorne which she went on and on about.. what a hypocrite
Glad to see Aaron Lustig (Tim) in the opening credits. He was nominated for a Supporting Actor Daytime Emmy in 1997 for his work on Y&R.
Brooke sounds like Stephanie when she doesn’t want her son in that woman’s life laugh out loud
she forgot already stephanie words about goldbricker
This whole Rick storyline would work better with another actor. JT just doesn’t fit as a leading man.
Yet he won a daytime emmy
I usually pull for Brooke, but she is acting like a you know what! 2:37
Brook is selfish, She is blind to the fact that Rick loves his son
Brooke has that creepy feeling, like don’t trust her around young boys, Charlie needs the Brooke blocker 20000
Stephanie would never have let Thorne or Ridge marry at 20. Ridge was in his early 20’s when he was with Morgan and Stephanie made sure that relationship did not continue. Both Stephanie and Brooke can be manipulative when they want something! Stephanie is only happy about Amber and Rick as Rick is not her son and it annoys Brooke 😂
Brooke and Thorne are so cute 🥰
Hmmm…She’s supposed to be so HAPPY & FULFILLED now that she married this guy-remember that was ALL that she wanted, the most IMPORTANT thing in her life- yea sure ok- married to the doof for 5 minutes and now barging into Rick’s business and lying to her husband. Thorne can’t even keep her occupied for a month- they’re a terrible couple. All they have in common is under the sheets and even THAT can’t keep her in L.A or away from Amber and Rick 😂😂
@@jackieesposito4073my words exactly!👍🏻 😂
She got to feel up on Ridge the brother she really wants. Thorne will get his wake up call soon and I'm here for it 😂
where is season 9 and season 12 of the bold and the beautiful??
Did Charlie just replace Kimberly in the Rick/Amber storyline?
let it go Brooke
Amber is way more decent than Brooke
Watch your Amber
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