BEST Settings for BEACN Mic & Fixing CRUCIAL mistakes...
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- UPDATE: BEACN have finally released a frequency response graph for the mic and admitted the "proprietary tuning of the capsule" bit was incorrect. This basically confirms just about every direct thing I've had to say about the mic. Full thoughts and conclusion to this crazy saga on the Community post here: • Post
Some of you weren't happy with how my BEACN Mic review sounded. Here's why. Here's my best settings guide (for now - this will evolve over time) and how to avoid some pretty big issues that come up with the mic. This video covers how to make your BEACN Mic sound great and some major issues I had with it.
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UPDATE: BEACN have finally released a frequency response graph for the mic and admitted the "proprietary tuning of the capsule" bit was incorrect. This basically confirms just about every direct thing I've had to say about the mic. Full thoughts and conclusion to this crazy saga on the Community post here: ruclips.net/user/postUgkxF-u6nW3u-SgVkBgR3rvGcmz5PaU4PdcT
Love the fact you post another video to correct some mistakes or to put more time on the review itself, that's the sign of a good content creator, looking objectively on his work, and trying to be the best and to enhance his content !
I won’t spend any money until I cross his reviews off my list. Balanced & legit reviews always.
Despite TRYING to keep my proximity effect going the whole video, you can literally see me backing off the mic more and more as the video goes on LOL
Yeah it's unnatural to be so close if you don't read a script but freestyle etc.. Will be difficult to make it work for everyone
Just seeing this video and I have to say, if you're wanting to not eat the mic then you don't need a broadcast dynamic mic. Those are made to be mic'd close. That's the whole point. If you don't want to have a mic close then use a shotgun mic or a condenser mic. Not saying they weren't be dishonest, but when you say the podcast broadcast voice is going away, it's not. That's how you get the best sound out of those style mics.
Appreciate you making the additional video, but can I just say that some of the graphics and edits in the main video were totally awesome and appreciated!
Thank you!!! Really proud of them
I appreciate the follow-up here. The mic sounds much better in this video and is, based on the other videos I've seen, a much better representation of what it's like, for better or worse. I do have a couple thoughts, though, coming from a musical and audio nerd background.
1) You say the EQ curves others have used are very aggressive and visually they do look like it, but I think it's important to consider scale, by which I mean look at the left of the graph. It's got -3, -6, and -9, whereas the first line in, say, ReaEQ in Reaper is -6 and then it goes to -12. That has tripped me up when switching DAWs and adjusting by eye instead of by numbers. So I'll still agree that Naaackers has some aggressive cuts at around -6 dB, but these could also be normal for him if he's trying to cut particular nasal frequencies in his voice that he doesn't like (but then again, maybe they are bad frequencies for the mic). I do that all the time. The others mostly kept everything to +/- 3 dB or less, which isn't really that much. Frankly, the SM7b needs at least that much of a boost on the high end.
2) Regarding proximity effect, remember that this is a dynamic mic. Nearly every mic like it, including the SM7b, SM57, SM58, MV7, etc requires you to be right up on it. That's just the nature of this kind of mic and that's what they are designed for. The potential exceptions are the RE20 and its kin, as you mentioned, but even then, you still really shouldn't be much farther than a few inches away from it. If you don't want to be that close to it, you really need to use a condenser (though I, and I think you, don't think that's the best choice for streamers).
3) Regarding compression, when you "turn down" your threshold, you're increasing compression. That is, you're making it kick in at lower volumes than it would, hence the sound becomes more compressed (so turning it down is more like turning it up). This was the main problem I had with your original video, there was just an absurd amount of compression. I know you said it sounded bad in the monitor and I'll address that in a second, but it's much better to keep your gain reduction at the target -3 dB or so and not worry so much about the actual number for the threshold.
4) It's possible the headphone output on the mic just isn't that great. You mentioned a few times that when you cranked things up, they sounded really bad. I don't think they sound bad in the recording, though, so my suspicion is that it's just not a great headphone amp. I hope someone like Julian Krausse gets one to analyze, I'd love to see his thoughts on the DAC and headphone amp.
None of this is to say that your thoughts/opinions aren't valid or that the mic doesn't need work or that I don't appreciate all the effort you put into this. It's also not to say that there aren't valid criticisms of the mic, like that EMI is pretty unacceptable and if the headphone amp really is bad, that sucks. I just think it's important to understand what can reasonably be expected out of the mic.
Appreciate the comment
1-that was my point of confusion, though. Anyone trying to explain away the sound as my fault kept saying I was too aggressive with my cutting, yet everyone else was more extreme with it
2-yes, but the SM7b for example gets a nice *benefit* from proximity effect to get a radio sound, but does not *need* it. It sounds perfectly natural (for a dynamic) without it. This is the case for MANY dynamic mics. IMO this mic NEEDS proximity to be usable.
3-but as I explained I had a higher threshold and thus “less compression” in the original video so that doesn’t make sense. This video has more compression than the review.
4-the “turning it up and it sounds worse” applies when routing to my studio monitors and other headphone outputs too, though
Now it sounds good, love the fact you realised the mistakes you made.
I would def chalk it up to the 1000$ sen mic spoiling us. That review was solid and honestly despite BEACN's team working on audio for as long as they have it is there first mic release, I'm sure there are some unknown quirks with it.
Honestly I think your largest issue creating most of this backlash was your title starting with "GAME OVER for USB microphones?" overhyped it. So when they hear it and it sounds at best comparable to a blue yeti in that video... people felt clickbaited and/or EXTREMELY let down.
Though I gotta say I love the DBZ and Bill Nye references in the video those were so freaking great. I hope you do more stuff like that, even though I'm sure it's a lot of work, and a bit of risk at some unwarranted copyright claims.
honestly... i'm really terrible at audio, and thought the mic sounded great in your first video, both raw and compressed, and think it sounds great here, raw and compressed. if you're buying a USB microphone, you're probably just doing streaming or youtube videos. as long as you position yourself and the mic the way you like, and eq it even just a little bit, any livestream will sound perfectly fine. especially when most people just watch on phone or laptop speakers.
that's a GREAT comment : soooo much viewers watch stream and listen to podcast on their smartphone or 20$ air buds... But for this mic, i listened to the 2 videos on my audiophile headset and from studio monitor HP and... the mic sound correct. It's a good "podcast" sound. A bit compressed but that's the target demographic of this brand... so...
all of the Beacn issues have been fixed and is AWESOME!! I have been using Beacn since launch and it has come along way!!
your microphone still sounds AMAZING good review bro !
Lol okay amazing you actually made this video and literally just said everything you said in your intro on the gaming careers video. Happy to see this
For what it's worth the original review is the first video of yours I watched, like an hour ago, and I was blown away by the quality and subbed, and now I see this update and I'm just like damn, this is a good channel. I'm in the market to buy my first streaming mic immediately and I got pretty hyped by what other people were saying about the beacn but I know I won't stay in this proximity range consistently so now I'm leaning towards the el gato wave 3. My only concern with that one is keyboard noise. I definitely don't want the added expense of a mixer right now, though. I could rationalize the 280 price of this but that's as high as I'll go right now.
Man, the more I watch about all these new mics, the happier I am with my basic ass shure sm58
It. Just. Works. SM58, no hate.
I watched your review before buying one as was upgrading from an old Blue Yeti and I thought you sounded fine, and I also agree I dont want to be eating my microphone as I prefer it out of shot. But great follow up video and will def be using this info as ive just started tweaking my eq and other settings.
You sound much better in this video but it’s still sounds closer to a 100/150$ dynamic mic I just don’t think it’s worth the extra for the software. If I’m spending 280$ I want something that punches with that price point out of the box not after a bunch of processing. I agree the 500hz broadcast names is odd for most people that area is going to add boxy boomy muddyness. but I do feel a lot of people problems is most of the videos I’ve heard people sound muffled and not good for the price point but then everyone’s title is some form of hype, best, endgame mic etc. I suppose coming off the back of the goxlr there is a lot of hype surrounding beacn and I’m sure they will get there the idea behind all there products are great but there price to performance for these 3 new products are a little off.
well this information is super helpful. im just gonna have to learn to balance mine once it gets here
can u give us please a list on how u set up ur eq and where it is now. because it sound pretty good compared to before.
That’s… what this video is
@@EposVox yes i know. But my english and my knowledge about this is pretty bad and i was thiking u maybe have chart where u have the freq and how u set the gain the q and all that stuff. that i copy past it. would be pretty cool.
This is a great travelling streaming microphone if it’s set right…. Maybe… a GOXLR MINI and a RODE WIRELESS GO 2 would give you two microphones and and a small overall travelling streaming setup where you can add another person to the stream… that setup costs a lot more though… so for the money a great travelling streaming microphone… coupled with a ASUS duo laptop you’d have a kick bum travelling gaming streaming setup
Hey I would really enjoy you testing the Se V7. It's a Mic with an amazing Sound even for streamers!
I don't really see who this microphone is for at this price point. It's far too complicated for beginners looking for a simple USB microphone, and for people who know what they're doing, they'd be better served with any number of cheaper combo's of xlr mics and interfaces. You certainly don't need a 300 dollar XLR mic to compare it to when a 20 dollar behringer sm58 clone sounds way better with a minor EQ tweak. It certainly looks nice on your desk, which for streamers can be a big selling point I guess.
The software seems really promising though, hopefully they make an Wave XLR type competitor to go along with their other products.
And what cheap audiointerface do you suggest?
I was caught off guard by the mismatch between the implied microphone quality from the video title and the actual sound of the product being reviewed, lol. All the LEDs and fancy software in the world don't matter if it records something that sounds like you were grabbing the compressor knob and cranking it up and down the entire time at random.
"the soup was quite good with many interesting ingredients and good presentation as long as you ignore the doodoo chunks floating in it"
Rogan doesn’t eat the mic. He actually tells some guests to back off to at least a fist-width if he sees them doing it.
mic set up has been my biggest struggle with streaming trying to figure out what sounds the best and not i feel like I have things set up right then go back and listen and cant figure out what I need to fix sadly
It’s cause everyones voice is different. At least this mic fixes it before it gets to the pc. I have yet to hear a review of this mic where the person sounded bad when it was set up correctly.
What they call "Broadcast" is where the boxy area of your voice (500hz) hits where I generally have to cut out for my Voice on my NT1-A, in the Steelseries Sonar app I use when I use the broadcast high preset they cut the boxy part down by 3db and raise the sub-bass up by 3db so idk what the BEACN are smoking because raising the 500 range just makes everything sound harsh if I wanted a broadcast mic honesty I would just buy one because trying to emulate it is time-consuming rather than paying extra money for like an SM7B.
I got mine a week ago and i love it but its picking up a lot of background noise. Like when im streaming its picking up my wife and daughter talkin in a different room even if i put the sound supression all mthe way up.
Are the values for your settings captured anywhere? I tried capturing them through the video but don't get exact #s for all of the bands
Eating mics feels more like a streamer flex than anything really. TV doesn't really have that aesthetic so I agree that the trend will probably die out at some point.
It’s generally bad visual production. Also creates very stiff and awkward presentation since you’re chained to the mic
It's a great software suite, but the mic does sound unbelievably flat in your vids.
The reason you're liking it is (probably) because you have your headphone monitoring feed loud.
Turning my volume up to semi-uncomfortable levels makes your voice sound really good with this mic, but if listened on "normal" volume, which I usually consume content(except for music) on, it's really muffled. Dunno if it's some sort of youtube compressing audio trick or whatever else that could be. I may also be completely mistaken - just my 5 cents really.
>me stating multiple times throughout the video that if you turn it up loud it sounds worse
I think most viewers listen to things way too loudly. I do not.
I love your reviews and I agree.. just hearing you… there is this subtle robot kinda piercing sound… idk how to describe it. Thank you for this review and I’m not going to spend the money.
I’ll admit it makes me kinda sad… I had high hopes for this mic. Maybe v2?
Maybe this mic just suit some natural voice tone than others.
So what to do if you like the Mix Create but don't want to get rid of your XLR mic? I really enjoy my Blue Baby Bottle SL + GoXLR. but I really like what the Mix Create is bringing to the table. I have a Focusrite Scarlett solo because I also use a Mac... I could use that but I would be missing the EQ the GoXLR offers. It would be nice if BEACN made an XLR interface that used its processing tech in the BEACN Mic.
Well as I said many times the Mix devices are to pair with whatever audio hardware you already have so… you lose nothing? I’m not sure I see the dilemma
can anyone help please tell me why my mic sounds like theres dial-up connection in the background?
how to a remove background noise so people can hear my keyboard
expander mate. type on your keyboard and adjust the threshold knob until you cant hear it. but be careful cuz to much will end up cutting out your low voice signals. but a good sweet spot is around -45 to -60. i have mine at -56 which is perfect for me
He's decided to use an adapter to get his headphones connected. Any long term use of this will surely end in a failed headphone jack over time. I would plug a wire into that and run it back for a remote jack in order to preserve the function of this connection long term.
Lmao it’s completely fine. I can count on one hand the number of ports of any kind I’ve broken in my entire life.
Stupid question could this get fix by a software update or is it the mic ?
thumbs up
5:12 - just marking for me when i get mine and i wanna sound super crisp
I still Like the Wave Mic's,, you can still do more with them for the price. And you can use the add ons now to,,
When you say you can do more with them for the price, could you expand a little? Currently eyeing up a purchase and the context would be appreciated :)
@@dav3evans look the Wave 1 or Wave 3 mic from elato is more then just a mic, it's a integrated system with software and hardware with the added VLTs that you can download for free makes the price for the wave 1 or wave 3 mice a better deal. that and have every thing work off a stream deack is nice.like i said you can do more with the Wave 1 0r Wave 3 .. if your going for looks well the Wave mic look like i big black Candy Bar.
Can I add a de-clicker somehow into the chain?
Does anyone know why I hear just a tiny bit of an echo with my voice with the Beacn mic? Using Hyper X headphones, plugged directly into the back of the mic. Any answer would be great to hear. Thanks.
Probably the mic monitoring?
@@EposVox Thanks for the response. My apologies, I probably shouldn't have said "an echo" it was more of a slight latency. Spoke to one of the support members on discord, they mentioned that it could just be due to it being USB and there will always be a slight ms delay when monitoring. Then they mentioned that it would just be something I would have to get use to. Have you had this issue with this particular USB mic? Never had any issues with my Audio Technica XLR as there was zero latency. I just need to hear a slight mic monitoring for it to sound more naturally speaking. I notice that you have headphones on while doing the review, do you have any latency at all? If I would hazard a guess it would be literally like a 100ms delay, hardly noticeable but it is there.
"Never had any issues with my Audio Technica XLR as there was zero latency. " Well that's an XLR mic with no headset jack, so that doesn't work. That would be based on your interface.
I've noted in my videos that there's two mic monitoring options, one has a ton of latency, one does not. There's going to be a slight amount, but it shouldn't be a big problem.
The mic sounds fine to me all in all im not an audiophile so i guess I can’t tell the difference
Will they add VST support down the line? No one from there company seems to answer on reddit
They are adding it to mix create this year so hopefully the mic too.
@@thefullsetup Is there any official confirmation other than "its one the horizon" and "on priority list" which is vague, like an early access game :P I'd love to know for sure
@@MyNigellus beacn announced it on there insta that’s its in there 2022 roadmap that’s about it for now.
Love the content. Mic is too expensive IMHO
Too me it was mostly with the comoression. Not sure what was wrong though. Frequency wise i thought it was fine, but i was only watching with my phone speakers, so that's probably why all i noticed was the compression. But speaking of the software for a second: i hate it so much, that none of these tools exist as standalone programms and always require a specific microphone. That annoyed the hell out of me with the wave software too. And the argument that "it requires the processing power built in the microphone to work" is complete bs. The amount of processing that those tiny soc's inside of a mic can handle doesn't come close to what moden pc processors can put out. They should just be honest and say it's to maximize profit instead of coming up with these nonsensical excuses...
#rantover
While the Elgato Wave literally used the mic/interface as a software key because they want to sell units of the mic, the BEACN Mic literally has a DSP in it that all the settings run on. It’s not BS, it’s how the technology works…
@@EposVox okay. I guess in this case it's justified. But than again, modern processors can handle real time audio processing just fine. DAWs don't require dsps to funktion and audio protocols like ASIO or heck even Wasapi have very low latency and work just fine for real time. So to me the question is not, really if the mic _does_ use extra processing on board, but reather or not it was necessary.
so many people/creators have there mic set to muddy it isnt natural anymore to much of a bass in the voice then a clear voice that you can lissen to for hours. maybe its just me but that is what I habe noticed
I mean I specifically EQ to cut out muddiness for that reason lol
@@EposVox I know you specifically doing that and that's why I like the way you think, but so many others are doing it.
Don't get me wrong everyone has a different style but still most creators aren't a radio channel ;-)
On the EQ for the beacon Mike if you want a high-pass filter it needs to be with high frequencies are not low frequencies
that's not... what? no. "High-pass" means it lets high frequencies through and cuts off low frequencies. Also known as a "bass roll-off" filter.
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Sorry, a mic that needs this much processing is simply not that deserving of your praise. I do appreciate the value of the whole kit, and it does seem to solve a lot of issues, but the mic? No. To me, you sound like you're under a blanket and I'm listening from another room.
I love that everyone has wildly different and contradicting descriptions about the sound of this mic.
Ok its a sponsored product, got it. But man 280 dls, it's not worth at all.
Focus 3gen solo + podmic + psa1+ windscreen = 300 its not very competitive at that price.
"it's a sponsored product" uhhh no? The fuck? I take sponsorship disclosure very seriously and have never once in my career hid when someone is sponsoring me. I literally concluded my review by ranking it second-to-last out of the mics I compared it to and concluded the sound quality for the price was not worth it.
You okay over there?
but the podmic does simply not sound good. Still I'm not a fan of the Beacn Mic.
*me having to have mic gain at 100% cuz i can't reach optimal lvls without yelling into the mic while it's in my mouth :|*