Thanks for the Video. If your not sure how long you are going to be their a used scooter would be a better deal. Buy it if it breaks just get it fixed or get another one.
It always amazes me that a salesperson will tell you their new bike will run forever, but the same bike a couple of years old is junk and will cause you grief. I always try to buy used. The exception being if it is not available, or the used prices are too high.
Really great video thank you for your time and effort well appreciated. I must say I'm surprised at the prices on the used bikes good luck in your search
Thanks for watching Robert. Unfortunately there are a lot of repos, because Filipinos over extend themselves. That does lead to good deals for others down the road though 😉
Those prices are incredible. Scooters just for me and hundreds of others i’v known (i used to rent them as a side business in the tropics) i wouldn’t buy anything other than a Honda. I’v seen them used and abused in every way possible they are incredible. They are also amazing for carrying weight for two people.
Thanks for watching TRA! Like I said, I don’t know much about scooters BUT will definitely research the Hondas too before I make a decision. I’d say it’s probably 65-35 Honda by the expats I know
That Yamaha Serow 250 sells here in the USA as the XT 250. List price is $5,300. With delivery and set up fees, (which all bike manufacturers charge here), figure on at least $6,000 .I don't know scooters well, but the Serow is built for part time off road use, so should do well on bad streets.
Wow, that’s pricey! One good thing about the prices I showed, they include tax and registration. The Philippines include a 12% VAT tax in everything so you know exactly how much you need
Awesome video! Buying a used one seems cheaper than renting if you're staying there more than a couple of months. But you probably need one of those storage boxes installed for shopping. Seems the NMax is really popular among Expats.
Yes, I agree. You definitely need the box BUT….there is a shortage of them in Dumaguete. I know a couple of guys who own the NMAX, and both are under 5’8”. I would definitely recommend the XMAX if you are closer to 6’
Should definitely buy a new one, once you’re here to stay….but a used one isn’t bad if you’re mechanically inclined. It’ll actually give you something to do every now and then
My buddy has been living in Asia for the last 7 years. He bought a condo in Bangkok and now is working in South Korea. He said he has saved himself so much money over the years, by buying his own motorbike in whichever country he is living in. Used motorbikes are so cheap in Asia anyways. In Cambodia your looking at about $370 for a 2010 Honda Click 125 cc. and if you need the engine rebuilt, it's only $200.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 "Backpacking with Banger" youtube channel in the Philippines, bought a slightly used 2022 yamaha from a foreigner for $1100 and after his 6 month vacation sold it for $500.
Yeah Clive, and unfortunately it’s my fault. Once she saw the video my GFsaid she told me how to avoid my issues. I’ll get it down eventually…hopefully. I will use the GOPRO on my next walking video
Wow that they are nutts with those new bike finance charges for sure, especially when the repo bikes are damn near free. Easy choice buying repo vs. renting. A slightly beat repo bike it will be the equivalent of the slightly beat rental bike you are riding and you will be money ahead in just a few months. Thank you for sharing this! Neat options and super cheap.
Thanks for watching Chuck! Yeah, the repos are a great deal because it’s DIRT CHEAP to get a bike fixed here. I got in an accident and had to replace the forks, and they also replaced the front brakes. Parts and labor was less than $50!
Funny how they call a bike or scooter 500cc and above a "big bike". I used to laugh at those 150cc sccoters but it turns out they are perfect for the traffic condition there wherein your daily commute is within a 10-15 mile radius.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 I really enjoyed your options trading vid. Any plans on doing another one? I've been trading some bull put spreads and poor man's covered call on TSLA for the past few weeks and so far so good.
I live in Cebu and own now my third NMax in a row and buying used is not practical e cause they cost almost same as new and you have no idea the history of it or if the km are original and there is no way of checking that. Best to buy new no matter which brand you choose (choose Japanese) Always pay cash never take loans! P.S. my friend bought used one and had many issues as well as he had problem registering under his name. Also NMax V2 with ABS is 151.000 when you pay cash here in Cebu now, not sure where you went to look at those prices but they were all few thousands higher then local actual prices.
Thanks for watching Yuri! Yes, the lady in the Yamaha dealership was saying the same thing about the registration. I would never buy an “expensive” used scooter because of the reasons you mentioned. I’m making these videos in Dumaguete. There’s no competition like there is in Cebu, so they are higher here. My friend went over towards Sibulan and got a better deal than in Dumaguete
I'm guessing it's because they are trying to recover their cost of wear and tear and depreciation and warranty. Harsh riding conditions out there and usually parked outside. Means that they got to cover the average depreciation cost in a short span of time. I'm guessing a new scooter will depreciate the same amount in one year as it does in 3 years. So they got to recoup it to cover themselves in case of repose or a lot of repose.
i just bought i new honda motorcycle here in the UK i had to get half on finance it was 6% thats just madness out there, another interesting video keep em coming i'm thinking that area for my retirement
Those XRM’s are the best little bike I’ve ever ridden. You can go up the side of the mountain first gear. I bought my new for $1600 (60,000 pesos) and rode the shit out of it for eight years. It’s still in good shape. Wrote it all over the Philippines from north of Laoag to south of Gensan. Highly recommended. Walk into any Honda dealer, buy one with cash and drive away. Du Ex Am is where I got mine. Took years to get the plate because the whole country was out of stock on plates. Haha. (Seriously). I assume that problem is ironed out by now
Thanks for watching Rudy! Sorry about the late response, been traveling. It’s a good bike….registration is WORSE😂. People just get their plates made by someone in town….cops don’t know any better
Very interesting, Kevin, thanks! Personally, if I were going to buy one of the new bikes, I'd pay for it on my 2% cashback card, get all the dealership freebies, and then pay off the full amount that month and pocket the ~$80 (almost 4500 pesos) cash back. That being said, I'd probably go for one of those repo'ed ones instead. They just make too much sense. They're dirt cheap, so you won't be out much if it's stolen or wrecked. And if you buy one of the nicer ones repos, it should last if you take care of it. You'd have to be careful, though, because if they're like repos are in the states, people neglect them and trash them. I'd have a mechanic go over it ASAP then take care of it.
When I asked for more specifics about using a credit card at a few shops 2 of 3 charged an extra 2.5 percent as that is what they said they are charged. They all did accept cards. Get details. Not sure but I think it was Russi that didn’t say they would charge extra for using a card.
Thank you for the video and some good information! I've been researching this because I want to retire there. My opinions: #1, if you don't know how to ride, learn before you go and get your motorcycle license. The reputable places won't rent to you without it. That said, if you buy, buy from a dealership. Doesn't matter if its new or used. Paperwork is insane on used bikes. Unless the law has changed you have to have signatures from everyone that has ever owned the bike and I'd rather the dealership deal with that instead of me :) . So, long term stay, buy. Short term, rent. New arrival, rent and plan to buy when you find your place to settle. IMO? Expat should have a scooter for in town and a car or truck, or access to one, for the rainy season. Again, all my opinion.
I agree 100% lowtech! Dumaguete is not a good town for cars, but I am going to buy one when I come back from the states, for those exact reasons. It rained 4 days last week and we were basically stuck at home.
Buying second hand makes the most sense financially for sure and wouldn't mind getting one of those then taking it to a mechanic for some service. I was really surprised how low the cost of those used bikes are. Thanks Kevin !
Those Mio 125cc at 80,250 php are a hell of a deal, works out around £1400 Uk pounds heck you couldnt buy a decent bicycle here for that, thanks for sharing.
The XRM 125 is a good bike.. Its affordable, robust and was specifically made for the filipino market and needs.. It can handle bad roads, it can handle a bit of offroad, it is fuel efficient and the DRX model has two disc brakes for a very small price upgrade.. I would take this everytime before buying a regular anklebuster scooter that sometimes also is too wide to sneak in between the cars. It was a good choice buying this. Its a real filipino bike. Honda always made great bikes especially for the Filipinos, like the TMX125 Alpha and the TMX Supremo. So many tricycle drivers rely on them, so many families in the provinces use them to transport the whole family on just one bike. It is the source of income for lots of families.
That’s terrible, considering the average Filipino makes $150-$300 per month. After 36 months, you would pay more than TWICE the price of the bike. Now I know why there are so many REPOs here
If you are here for a short visit ..just a few months for example: it's much better value to buy a second-hand bike. You can always sell it on for pretty much the same money you paid for it when you are leaving 👍
In the States, borrowing small amounts of money will cost you more, (not as much as PI). The reason being on $1,700, (92,000 Peso @55 per dollar), there is not enough interest to pay for all the expenses of bookkeeping that the lender needs to do. Banks will generally not loan small amounts like that here. Credit cards are around 25% now, so if you paid it off in a year with equal payments, the interest would be around $215. The first month you would be paying interest on the whole amount, but the last month you would only be paying interest on the balance, so it averages out lower, (1700 x 25% = 425). The seller may add 3% or more to the selling price as that is what the credit card company will be charging them.
CAFO-raised, grain-fed beef vs free-range, grass-fed beef, the local beef tastes gamey and meat tougher and that’s when the pressure cooker comes in :)
99,9% of Filipinos will credit a new motorbike. When they can't pay, they'll try to sell it or it will be repossessed. In the dealerships they have a lot of used bikes that have been repossessed, and since almost no Filipinos can afford to pay cash, they're left standing for a long time. I've done some really good deals on repossessed bikes, and if you pay cash, they usually give you a huge discount on the original price. When I'm done with the bike, I give it to the family, and they sell it privately and take the profit. This is a LOT cheaper for me than renting or buying a new bike...
Do you offer 80% of the price? Or how much. I’m looking at bikes and they had a used bike that they wanted as much for that as the new, I’m not posting new price for a used
Guys im a Filpino, if you wanna buy a brand new motorcycle or car im gonna give you a tip. Give some grease money around 3-5k to the dealer ship sales agent secretly or get his phone number and after getting the motorcycle you will give him or her some fix compensation. And you’ll be prioritized in the top 5 waiting list
Rental bike that you need to return, $133 x 12 = $1,600. New bike that you can resell = $1700. Rental companies seem to be making a good return on their investment. If they keep the bike 2 years, they double their money.
Even better: the rental business just buys a repo bike for $500 and rents it for $133 per month. They are money ahead in no time. It appeared that his rental bike was worse, or at least no better than the repo bikes he was looking at. Pretty interesting for sure.
When l came to visit the first time l bought and old used one for 150 usd. Had it for three months, no problems. When l moved here l bought a new Honda adv 160. No one would sell it to me cash. So l financed half of it for a year. Motorcycle shops are not in business to sell bike ... the sell financing 🙂 There is a law that says they have accept a cash payment, but its not being enforced.
How easy and how would you advertise to sell once you are leaving? That might be a good video to do? Could you sell it to the people that rent them? could you buy a few and rent them ?
If you ever think of it and are motivated, would you possibly do a video on just who may be selling Royal Enfield CL350/Bullets and the Bristol 400 classic?
Absolutely Mario! Your vehicle is yours 😉. Foreigners CANNOT buy land, and any business you start has to be 60% owned by a Filipino…but your car is all yours
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 How does DMV mail documents and renewal forms if nobody has an address? I assume all commercial businesses need a mailing address from a legal standpoint.
😎👍🇺🇲 Of course we couldn't see when it came looking at the used or rentals. Condition is is important with a used bike and we couldn't see much. I've been curious about pricing on used bikes for awhile. Although I'm into classic 1990's like GSX-R, NSR, FZR and so on. Too bad the focus was so off. I'd like to have been able to see the dirt bike in the window for $500. Anyway. That's for sharing.👍
Hi, great video, planning a trip in roughly November, will be island hopping weekly or so, what is the cost to transfer scooter from say Bohol to Sigijore. thinking i would hop by ferry. also can a several month rental be taken to different islands? Thanks
No, but there actually are not many places that take them….grocery stores, high end resorts and high end restaurants. The Philippines are predominantly a CASH society
Last sales lady was nice (out of respect i hope you ask her if its ok to film her before doing it ) This is the most informative helpful video on bikes. I hope you rent the big Yamaha scooter for a day. I really enjoyed the one i rented and im 6ft 2 280lbs
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 you are awesome. I really enjoy your channel. I'm living through you. I really enjoyed the information you have on bikes. Thank you very much
Having been a Finance Manager IN both Honda and Yamahe moptorcycle shops here in the US...those interest rates are absolutely INSANE. It makes less than NO sense at all, to finance those purchases thru those dealers. 22$ Discover card looks like a bargain in comparison. How open are they on price negotiation?
Thanks for watching GOD! Right now, there’s hardly any inventory so you don’t have any bargaining power. The best thing to do is get out of the city and you can save a $100, or at least enough to get a storage box
There are credit cards if you are an American Citizen with good credit which offers interest free for 1 and a half year to pay. Therefore you do not pay interest if you pay the balance according to stipulated terms.
Yes, the only problem that could arise is registration, which is only a big deal on certain ferries. The ferry to Siquijor actually asks to see your registration to make sure it’s not stolen
Besides this great video, I would have a request: Could you look into the prices for Threewheelers? Not all Expats feel comfortable on bikes but also dont want to buy an expensive car. Threewheelers like TVS King, TVS Duramax, Bajaj RE, Bajaj Maxima Z, seem to be the way to go then. I think there is a dealer near the airport in Dumaguete..
Me too ! --- I would prefer '''buying''' a tuk tuk - to keep the sun & rain off me. Easy to haul ''stuff'' when or if needed. Easy to take a person for a ride with you if desired ? A Bajaj RE 3 wheel should be plentiful. Many are used for Taxis in Tagaytay - which is where I would prefer to live ! > Cooler and much more available than Valencia - and -likely cheaper - nearby ! --?--
It would cost a fortune because you will have to pay an import tax. They do Have Harley, Indian and other dealerships in big cities like Cebu and Manila if you want a new one, but you can also find some used ones on Facebook marketplace too
I wonder. A brand-new bike sitting on the street would be awfully tempting for someone to steal. Or if it got into a wreck - which isn't unheard of there - would seriously depreciate it. Whereas a $425 used one, if it gets ripped off or wrecked, it's less of a problem. You'd certainly be money ahead owning a used one vs. renting one before too long, too. You could buy it when you get there, use it for a few months, then sell it for whatever. If you're only going to be there a matter of weeks, though, that's probably where it makes more sense to rent.
Yes, it’s supposed to be 90 days. You can also get an international license which is good for 6 months. I am not sure, but I think you can get it through Triple A
That’s on the corner of the national highway and the Bacong-Valencia Road in Bacong. Do you know where the 7-11 is, right across from the Bacong market?
Great informative video! I have a few questions Kevin. If you're coming there and have only driven cars in the US should you get a motorcycle license in the US before coming there? Does that help over there? I have driven scooters/mopeds here in the US just have not have driven a motorcycle and don't plan to over there, scooters only. If you don't have that certification on your US license will you have to on your Philippine license?
Joe, I highly recommend going to a Harley dealership and getting your endorsement! Trust me, you will be WAAAAY ahead of the average expat(INCLUDING ME) if you take that course.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 Absolutely right Kevin I live in Florida and needed to get my endorsement so I went to my local Harley dealership and signed up for the course. It is a two day course on the weekend,each day is split into half day classroom written class the other half day is skills on a course where you ride the motorcycle. The instructor on the second day actually gave all of us our written test and skills test on the course if you pass both tests you are given a certificate which you take to DMV or as they call it here in Florida the Tax Collectors Office pay your fee and get your new license with the motorcycle endorsement.I highly recommend this course to anyone that wants their endorsement.
Avoid ANY small wheeled bike like the plague as they are crap at dealing with rough roads or potholes....that beater honda is ideal for short journeys.
For the price, with the California emission requirements, at $1500 all you can get is a no name Chinese twist and go. It's a good deal for a Yamaha or Honda.
If you buy a new one, every good bike shop has a price tag on it, also, they do promos on their facebook pages and websites.. If they try to say that prices are not correct anymore or some bullshit, just turn around and leave the shop.
No different than here in the USA really. If the salesperson thinks they can get the full price out of you, they may not be willing to negotiate. Human Nature is the same everywhere. The thing that changes is your economic status where you are. In PI you are considered wealthy, so why give a discount? Calling it a skin tax is unfair. It is not about your Nationality or race. It is about your bank account. Every seller everywhere wants the highest price. Every buyer everywhere wants the lowest price. The seller wishes you to think , you need this. The buyer wishes to present, I don't need this. The worst thing to tell a sales person is that you NEED what they are selling, (as in my car broke down and I have no way to get to work).
I’m not sure, but I would get the minimum you need. I have never met anyone who has gotten a payout, and it’s so cheap to get something fixed. I got new forks and brake pads on my bike for $52 USD after my accident
It takes about 4 months. Technically, you are not supposed to. It’s immediately transferable if you buy a used one. Also, many ferries ask to see the registration before you get on, and they will deny you
Yeah WW, the only issue is registration. The government here is 2 years behind on NEW registration….you’ll probably never get the proper registration on a used bike….but then again, I’ve never been asked for registration at a checkpoint
Used seems to be the best value provided it’s in good operational condition and a registrations is possible because I think your insurance comes with the registrations. I would just go to my Kuyas and let them work it out after talking to them and telling me what I want. Being tall like you i think big size might be more comfortable and safer.
Can't ride a new bike until you get all the ownership papers which may take up to 3 months. Get caught without owner reg and you're in trouble. Used bikes or rentals are the way to go. You can have all the legal paper work right away.
Yeah, but you can also get a plate made anywhere in town and put it on. I’ve never been asked for registration at a checkpoint. If you want to take the chance, that is😉
Yeah, I’ll probably put it on my credit card, so I can get the air miles and then pay it off at the end of the month to avoid interest. That’s what I did in the US and amassed enough air miles and hotel stays that my trip from Houston to Manila…which included an overnight stay in LA, 3 nights in Honolulu, and business class flight to Guam and Manila for only $510 out of pocket 😉
I'm not sure which bike I like better but I would drive it like I stole it. It's smart to rent one so when I wreck it I just walk away and it's no big deal. I would crash it or stop paying for it until they repo it and just go to another rental company. Or maybe better to just drive it into the ocean so they can't find it.
No, they will get enough info from you to where you need to bring it back intact. If you wreck it, you have to fix it. I had to replace my forks and they replaced the front brakes on mine for less than $50 …that was parts and labor
Extremely valuable content. I was very interested in prices of scooters. Really helpful. Love it!
Thanks as always for watching FA! I appreciate it
Thanks for the Video. If your not sure how long you are going to be their a used scooter would be a better deal. Buy it if it breaks just get it fixed or get another one.
I agree 100%, anything longer than 1 month
It always amazes me that a salesperson will tell you their new bike will run forever, but the same bike a couple of years old is junk and will cause you grief. I always try to buy used. The exception being if it is not available, or the used prices are too high.
@@DannyB-cs9vx For sure. Those bikes are everywhere there, so parts have got to be super cheap and finding a repair guy also easy and cheap.
Really great video thank you for your time and effort well appreciated. I must say I'm surprised at the prices on the used bikes good luck in your search
Thanks for watching Robert. Unfortunately there are a lot of repos, because Filipinos over extend themselves. That does lead to good deals for others down the road though 😉
Excellent job Kevin. Thanks.
Thanks Eric, I appreciate you watching!
Those prices are incredible. Scooters just for me and hundreds of others i’v known (i used to rent them as a side business in the tropics) i wouldn’t buy anything other than a Honda. I’v seen them used and abused in every way possible they are incredible. They are also amazing for carrying weight for two people.
Thanks for watching TRA! Like I said, I don’t know much about scooters BUT will definitely research the Hondas too before I make a decision. I’d say it’s probably 65-35 Honda by the expats I know
Any of the Japanese big four should be equally great and reliable - Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki
@@theydontknow9260 Totally agree. They are pretty much all the same at that engine size and bike type. The formula has been perfected for sure.
I have to second that honda quality.
That Yamaha Serow 250 sells here in the USA as the XT 250. List price is $5,300. With delivery and set up fees, (which all bike manufacturers charge here), figure on at least $6,000 .I don't know scooters well, but the Serow is built for part time off road use, so should do well on bad streets.
Wow, that’s pricey! One good thing about the prices I showed, they include tax and registration. The Philippines include a 12% VAT tax in everything so you know exactly how much you need
I find the all electric CFMOTO ZEEHO AE8 moped interesting. It's MSRP is 209,800php, and equivalent to 250cc.
🤔have not heard or seen any mopeds here. I’m going to look around. Thanks for bringing that up 😉
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 -I think it's just sold large cities like Cebu, Manilla.
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Awesome video! Buying a used one seems cheaper than renting if you're staying there more than a couple of months. But you probably need one of those storage boxes installed for shopping. Seems the NMax is really popular among Expats.
Yes, I agree. You definitely need the box BUT….there is a shortage of them in Dumaguete. I know a couple of guys who own the NMAX, and both are under 5’8”. I would definitely recommend the XMAX if you are closer to 6’
Should definitely buy a new one, once you’re here to stay….but a used one isn’t bad if you’re mechanically inclined. It’ll actually give you something to do every now and then
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Is there any place like Harbor Freight to buy tools and such? If you're going to work on your own, definitely need those!
A very useful and needed topic for expats Kevin!
Cash is KING!
Financing is Loco-Loco!!
Thanks for watching Samuel! If I buy a new one, I’ll use my credit card to get points and then pay it off at the end of the month
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 Absolutey! Revolving credit is King!🤴 Amortized credit is dumb dumb
My buddy has been living in Asia for the last 7 years. He bought a condo in Bangkok and now is working in South Korea. He said he has saved himself so much money over the years, by buying his own motorbike in whichever country he is living in. Used motorbikes are so cheap in Asia anyways. In Cambodia your looking at about $370 for a 2010 Honda Click 125 cc. and if you need the engine rebuilt, it's only $200.
And when foreigners leave the country, they just sell their motorbike to another foreigner.
@@MyLifeThai371 yes, that sounds like the best plan
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 "Backpacking with Banger" youtube channel in the Philippines, bought a slightly used 2022 yamaha from a foreigner for $1100 and after his 6 month vacation sold it for $500.
Great content Kevin, I think I want to get a bike soon. Your video is very useful thank you. We also subscribed to your channel
Thanks for watching and subscribing guys! We appreciate it😉
This is actually very informative. Thank you 🐻👍
Thanks mighty 690! I’ll probably do another video on used bikes
Another great video that shows all angles!
Thanks again for watching Bradley!
Kevin your gimbal is cramping your style lol
More great content btw
Yeah Clive, and unfortunately it’s my fault. Once she saw the video my GFsaid she told me how to avoid my issues. I’ll get it down eventually…hopefully. I will use the GOPRO on my next walking video
Wow that they are nutts with those new bike finance charges for sure, especially when the repo bikes are damn near free. Easy choice buying repo vs. renting. A slightly beat repo bike it will be the equivalent of the slightly beat rental bike you are riding and you will be money ahead in just a few months. Thank you for sharing this! Neat options and super cheap.
Thanks for watching Chuck! Yeah, the repos are a great deal because it’s DIRT CHEAP to get a bike fixed here. I got in an accident and had to replace the forks, and they also replaced the front brakes. Parts and labor was less than $50!
Awesome video Kevin.
Thanks Mike!
Thanks for showing us the REAL TRUTH! No other vlogger does this! Good Job.
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Thanks again!
Funny how they call a bike or scooter 500cc and above a "big bike". I used to laugh at those 150cc sccoters but it turns out they are perfect for the traffic condition there wherein your daily commute is within a 10-15 mile radius.
They are great for town, but not road trips
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 I really enjoyed your options trading vid. Any plans on doing another one? I've been trading some bull put spreads and poor man's covered call on TSLA for the past few weeks and so far so good.
I live in Cebu and own now my third NMax in a row and buying used is not practical e cause they cost almost same as new and you have no idea the history of it or if the km are original and there is no way of checking that.
Best to buy new no matter which brand you choose (choose Japanese)
Always pay cash never take loans!
P.S. my friend bought used one and had many issues as well as he had problem registering under his name.
Also NMax V2 with ABS is 151.000 when you pay cash here in Cebu now, not sure where you went to look at those prices but they were all few thousands higher then local actual prices.
Thanks for watching Yuri! Yes, the lady in the Yamaha dealership was saying the same thing about the registration. I would never buy an “expensive” used scooter because of the reasons you mentioned.
I’m making these videos in Dumaguete. There’s no competition like there is in Cebu, so they are higher here. My friend went over towards Sibulan and got a better deal than in Dumaguete
I'm guessing it's because they are trying to recover their cost of wear and tear and depreciation and warranty.
Harsh riding conditions out there and usually parked outside.
Means that they got to cover the average depreciation cost in a short span of time.
I'm guessing a new scooter will depreciate the same amount in one year as it does in 3 years. So they got to recoup it to cover themselves in case of repose or a lot of repose.
i just bought i new honda motorcycle here in the UK i had to get half on finance it was 6% thats just madness out there, another interesting video keep em coming i'm thinking that area for my retirement
I love it here, and hopefully you’ll have the cash to buy what you need
Great video
Thanks as always Miguel!
Those XRM’s are the best little bike I’ve ever ridden. You can go up the side of the mountain first gear. I bought my new for $1600 (60,000 pesos) and rode the shit out of it for eight years. It’s still in good shape.
Wrote it all over the Philippines from north of Laoag to south of Gensan. Highly recommended. Walk into any Honda dealer, buy one with cash and drive away. Du Ex Am is where I got mine. Took years to get the plate because the whole country was out of stock on plates. Haha. (Seriously). I assume that problem is ironed out by now
Thanks for watching Rudy! Sorry about the late response, been traveling. It’s a good bike….registration is WORSE😂. People just get their plates made by someone in town….cops don’t know any better
I agree, great allround bike to get everywhere :) The DRX have disc brakes front and rear and extra protective parts everywhere. Its sturdy
Very interesting, Kevin, thanks! Personally, if I were going to buy one of the new bikes, I'd pay for it on my 2% cashback card, get all the dealership freebies, and then pay off the full amount that month and pocket the ~$80 (almost 4500 pesos) cash back. That being said, I'd probably go for one of those repo'ed ones instead. They just make too much sense. They're dirt cheap, so you won't be out much if it's stolen or wrecked. And if you buy one of the nicer ones repos, it should last if you take care of it. You'd have to be careful, though, because if they're like repos are in the states, people neglect them and trash them. I'd have a mechanic go over it ASAP then take care of it.
I agree 100% CJ! I would put it on my CC and pay it off at the end of the month. I’ll definitely look into repos before I make a decision
When I asked for more specifics about using a credit card at a few shops 2 of 3 charged an extra 2.5 percent as that is what they said they are charged. They all did accept cards. Get details. Not sure but I think it was Russi that didn’t say they would charge extra for using a card.
Thank you for the video and some good information! I've been researching this because I want to retire there. My opinions: #1, if you don't know how to ride, learn before you go and get your motorcycle license. The reputable places won't rent to you without it. That said, if you buy, buy from a dealership. Doesn't matter if its new or used. Paperwork is insane on used bikes. Unless the law has changed you have to have signatures from everyone that has ever owned the bike and I'd rather the dealership deal with that instead of me :) . So, long term stay, buy. Short term, rent. New arrival, rent and plan to buy when you find your place to settle. IMO? Expat should have a scooter for in town and a car or truck, or access to one, for the rainy season. Again, all my opinion.
I agree 100% lowtech! Dumaguete is not a good town for cars, but I am going to buy one when I come back from the states, for those exact reasons. It rained 4 days last week and we were basically stuck at home.
Buying second hand makes the most sense financially for sure and wouldn't mind getting one of those then taking it to a mechanic for some service. I was really surprised how low the cost of those used bikes are. Thanks Kevin !
Thanks for watching Robert! Yes, I’m going to keep looking for more places with the used scooters
Those Mio 125cc at 80,250 php are a hell of a deal, works out around £1400 Uk pounds heck you couldnt buy a decent bicycle here for that, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching hotrod! I agree😉
The XRM 125 is a good bike.. Its affordable, robust and was specifically made for the filipino market and needs.. It can handle bad roads, it can handle a bit of offroad, it is fuel efficient and the DRX model has two disc brakes for a very small price upgrade.. I would take this everytime before buying a regular anklebuster scooter that sometimes also is too wide to sneak in between the cars. It was a good choice buying this.
Its a real filipino bike. Honda always made great bikes especially for the Filipinos, like the TMX125 Alpha and the TMX Supremo. So many tricycle drivers rely on them, so many families in the provinces use them to transport the whole family on just one bike. It is the source of income for lots of families.
It wasn’t bad, but I had friends with bigger scooters that I couldn’t keep up with…especially with Jennalyn on the back
Like a friggin title loan in states
Flimflam loan sharks
That’s terrible, considering the average Filipino makes $150-$300 per month. After 36 months, you would pay more than TWICE the price of the bike. Now I know why there are so many REPOs here
If you are here for a short visit ..just a few months for example: it's much better value to buy a second-hand bike.
You can always sell it on for pretty much the same money you paid for it when you are leaving 👍
You are right my friend, thanks😉
@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 Your advice, mate, not mine but it's true.
Been here 4 years ,rentals here in Dumegete are anywhere between 4 to 8k a month.
Or give it to some young lady at the Jollibee or Coffee shop!
Was wondering about prices for a bike their the other day.
Great vid thanks
Thanks for watching MWH! I’m glad glad you found it helpful
and no sales tax!
@@theydontknow9260 that's good to know
In the States, borrowing small amounts of money will cost you more, (not as much as PI).
The reason being on $1,700, (92,000 Peso @55 per dollar), there is not enough interest to pay for all the expenses of bookkeeping that the lender needs to do. Banks will generally not loan small amounts like that here. Credit cards are around 25% now, so if you paid it off in a year with equal payments, the interest would be around $215. The first month you would be paying interest on the whole amount, but the last month you would only be paying interest on the balance, so it averages out lower, (1700 x 25% = 425). The seller may add 3% or more to the selling price as that is what the credit card company will be charging them.
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How did the ground beef taste compared to US beef?
Depends on where you get it Joe. I’m actually going to do a video on that next week. Probably scare the crap out of you
CAFO-raised, grain-fed beef vs free-range, grass-fed beef, the local beef tastes gamey and meat tougher and that’s when the pressure cooker comes in :)
It sucks
Thank you for sharing I learned something today 👍🇬🇧
Thanks for watching Marisa, I appreciate it!
99,9% of Filipinos will credit a new motorbike. When they can't pay, they'll try to sell it or it will be repossessed. In the dealerships they have a lot of used bikes that have been repossessed, and since almost no Filipinos can afford to pay cash, they're left standing for a long time. I've done some really good deals on repossessed bikes, and if you pay cash, they usually give you a huge discount on the original price. When I'm done with the bike, I give it to the family, and they sell it privately and take the profit. This is a LOT cheaper for me than renting or buying a new bike...
Do you offer 80% of the price? Or how much. I’m looking at bikes and they had a used bike that they wanted as much for that as the new, I’m not posting new price for a used
Guys im a Filpino, if you wanna buy a brand new motorcycle or car im gonna give you a tip. Give some grease money around 3-5k to the dealer ship sales agent secretly or get his phone number and after getting the motorcycle you will give him or her some fix compensation. And you’ll be prioritized in the top 5 waiting list
Good tip
That automatic Honda is definitely a win in my book
I liked it😉
Rental bike that you need to return, $133 x 12 = $1,600. New bike that you can resell = $1700.
Rental companies seem to be making a good return on their investment. If they keep the bike 2 years, they double their money.
Even better: the rental business just buys a repo bike for $500 and rents it for $133 per month. They are money ahead in no time. It appeared that his rental bike was worse, or at least no better than the repo bikes he was looking at. Pretty interesting for sure.
Yeah, I only recommend renting if you’re here for 6 weeks or less. You can try different bikes. Any longer than that, you should definitely buy one
When l came to visit the first time l bought and old used one for 150 usd. Had it for three months, no problems. When l moved here l bought a new Honda adv 160. No one would sell it to me cash. So l financed half of it for a year.
Motorcycle shops are not in business to sell bike ... the sell financing 🙂
There is a law that says they have accept a cash payment, but its not being enforced.
Fortunately they are accepting cash now 😉
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 not in cebu.
You need a 400 cc bike to be unlimited access all roads
Not in Negros.
Because of traffic, 125-155 is fine, but if you’re going up and down mountains with a passenger….bigger is better 😉
How easy and how would you advertise to sell once you are leaving? That might be a good video to do? Could you sell it to the people that rent them? could you buy a few and rent them ?
Facebook 😉! I can only own 40% of that business and the guys I rent from are there 12 hours a day. I’m RETIRED
If you ever think of it and are motivated, would you possibly do a video on just who may be selling Royal Enfield CL350/Bullets and the Bristol 400 classic?
Can foreigners legally own motorbikes and cars in the Philippines???? I was told can not own vehicles in the Philippines. Can you clarify please?.?
Absolutely Mario! Your vehicle is yours 😉. Foreigners CANNOT buy land, and any business you start has to be 60% owned by a Filipino…but your car is all yours
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 How does DMV mail documents and renewal forms if nobody has an address? I assume all commercial businesses need a mailing address from a legal standpoint.
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Of course we couldn't see when it came looking at the used or rentals.
Condition is is important with a used bike and we couldn't see much.
I've been curious about pricing on used bikes for awhile.
Although I'm into classic 1990's like GSX-R, NSR, FZR and so on.
Too bad the focus was so off. I'd like to have been able to see the dirt bike in the window for $500.
Anyway. That's for sharing.👍
Sorry about that Frank! I got my GOPRO back, so the quality should be good from now on
Hi, great video, planning a trip in roughly November, will be island hopping weekly or so, what is the cost to transfer scooter from say Bohol to Sigijore. thinking i would hop by ferry. also can a several month rental be taken to different islands? Thanks
Any concerns about using a credit card in the Philippians?
No, but there actually are not many places that take them….grocery stores, high end resorts and high end restaurants. The Philippines are predominantly a CASH society
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65hope it stays cash. Thank you for this video. I'm living thru you
I hope to be there soon
Most places you go if they do accept credit cards it usually comes with a surcharge around 5% or so
Last sales lady was nice (out of respect i hope you ask her if its ok to film her before doing it )
This is the most informative helpful video on bikes. I hope you rent the big Yamaha scooter for a day. I really enjoyed the one i rented and im 6ft 2 280lbs
Yes, I go in and ask them first and then I go back outside and film the location and go back inside
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 you are awesome. I really enjoy your channel. I'm living through you. I really enjoyed the information you have on bikes. Thank you very much
@@BearInThePhillipinesit's always people like you in these comments sections concerned about silly shit
Having been a Finance Manager IN both Honda and Yamahe moptorcycle shops here in the US...those interest rates are absolutely INSANE. It makes less than NO sense at all, to finance those purchases thru those dealers. 22$ Discover card looks like a bargain in comparison.
How open are they on price negotiation?
Thanks for watching GOD! Right now, there’s hardly any inventory so you don’t have any bargaining power. The best thing to do is get out of the city and you can save a $100, or at least enough to get a storage box
Used scooter is value for money honda click is a popular option cheap and easy to maintain practically gas and go for usd750
so dirt cheap...
There are credit cards if you are an American Citizen with good credit which offers interest free for 1 and a half year to pay. Therefore you do not pay interest if you pay the balance according to stipulated terms.
👍🏻 I use credit cards whenever I can for air miles, but I zero out my balance every month. I don’t pay any interest 😉
I wonder if you bought it outright, in a uear or 2 do they take it as a trade in for a newer model
Yes, my friend does that. He trades them in before the warranty runs out
Those used scooters really seem like a good deal, especially when they got serviced before sale.
Yes, the only problem that could arise is registration, which is only a big deal on certain ferries. The ferry to Siquijor actually asks to see your registration to make sure it’s not stolen
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65with all the scooters that's usually parked outside all over the place. Is stolen scooters really a big problem
Do they require a motorcycle endorsement for the smaller cc bikes?
I’m not certain, but I doubt it. I’ve never been asked about that at a check point
Oh Kevin, no prices shown that’s called a skin tax
Besides this great video, I would have a request: Could you look into the prices for Threewheelers? Not all Expats feel comfortable on bikes but also dont want to buy an expensive car.
Threewheelers like TVS King, TVS Duramax, Bajaj RE, Bajaj Maxima Z, seem to be the way to go then. I think there is a dealer near the airport in Dumaguete..
Thanks man, I appreciate you watching!😉
Me too ! --- I would prefer '''buying''' a tuk tuk - to keep the sun & rain off me. Easy to haul ''stuff'' when or if needed. Easy to take a person for a ride with you if desired ? A Bajaj RE 3 wheel should be plentiful. Many are used for Taxis in Tagaytay - which is where I would prefer to live ! > Cooler and much more available than Valencia - and -likely cheaper - nearby ! --?--
HOW MUCH TO BRING MY ROAD KING THERE ? DONT SEE ME BEING 6,3 .. BEING COMFLY
It would cost a fortune because you will have to pay an import tax. They do Have Harley, Indian and other dealerships in big cities like Cebu and Manila if you want a new one, but you can also find some used ones on Facebook marketplace too
I think if you going there for a while it’s best to buy a use bike to start off with. But if you moving there permanently buy new .
I wonder. A brand-new bike sitting on the street would be awfully tempting for someone to steal. Or if it got into a wreck - which isn't unheard of there - would seriously depreciate it. Whereas a $425 used one, if it gets ripped off or wrecked, it's less of a problem. You'd certainly be money ahead owning a used one vs. renting one before too long, too. You could buy it when you get there, use it for a few months, then sell it for whatever. If you're only going to be there a matter of weeks, though, that's probably where it makes more sense to rent.
Thanks for watching Nora! Yes, I’m going to buy a new one when I get back from the US this fall 😉
Do you need to provide them with id and drivers license or could i buy a motorbike for a friend as a gift
So you can actually rent and drive a bike with an American drivers license? I though I heard you mention that briefly in your presentation?
Yes, it’s supposed to be 90 days. You can also get an international license which is good for 6 months. I am not sure, but I think you can get it through Triple A
Where was the used bike location I'm very interested thanks
That’s on the corner of the national highway and the Bacong-Valencia Road in Bacong. Do you know where the 7-11 is, right across from the Bacong market?
Just put 7-11 Bacong in Google Maps 😉
How doe we know if these bikes are not stolen?
Most of the used ones are repossessions. The others are trade ins
Great informative video! I have a few questions Kevin. If you're coming there and have only driven cars in the US should you get a motorcycle license in the US before coming there? Does that help over there? I have driven scooters/mopeds here in the US just have not have driven a motorcycle and don't plan to over there, scooters only. If you don't have that certification on your US license will you have to on your Philippine license?
Joe, I highly recommend going to a Harley dealership and getting your endorsement! Trust me, you will be WAAAAY ahead of the average expat(INCLUDING ME) if you take that course.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 Absolutely right Kevin I live in Florida and needed to get my endorsement so I went to my local Harley dealership and signed up for the course. It is a two day course on the weekend,each day is split into half day classroom written class the other half day is skills on a course where you ride the motorcycle. The instructor on the second day actually gave all of us our written test and skills test on the course if you pass both tests you are given a certificate which you take to DMV or as they call it here in Florida the Tax Collectors Office pay your fee and get your new license with the motorcycle endorsement.I highly recommend this course to anyone that wants their endorsement.
Avoid ANY small wheeled bike like the plague as they are crap at dealing with rough roads or potholes....that beater honda is ideal for short journeys.
Yeah, it’s a rental….I’ll get something better when I come back
For the price, with the California emission requirements, at $1500 all you can get is a no name Chinese twist and go. It's a good deal for a Yamaha or Honda.
Thanks for watching Ron! Yes, and those prices include tax, and registration too😉
I am wondering if I have my filipina buy it, can she do better on prices? Skin tax and all being an issue.
Thanks for watching Ken! At the moment, I don’t think it will help because inventories are so low, but you never know 😉
If you buy a new one, every good bike shop has a price tag on it, also, they do promos on their facebook pages and websites..
If they try to say that prices are not correct anymore or some bullshit, just turn around and leave the shop.
I rented one for a few weeks, 15 USD.
👍🏻 renting is best for a short time 😉
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 oh I agree my friend, ill be back in august of this year!
can we ship our trucks or cars over?
You can, but you’re going to pay one helluva import tax!
Any taxes
VAT taxes are already figured in😉
The buying bikes section has foreigner and filipina prices no doubt
👍🏻yep….definitely helps to have a Filipino friend go in first
So that would make them really a bargain if one did
No different than here in the USA really. If the salesperson thinks they can get the full price out of you, they may not be willing to negotiate. Human Nature is the same everywhere. The thing that changes is your economic status where you are. In PI you are considered wealthy, so why give a discount? Calling it a skin tax is unfair. It is not about your Nationality or race. It is about your bank account. Every seller everywhere wants the highest price. Every buyer everywhere wants the lowest price. The seller wishes you to think , you need this. The buyer wishes to present, I don't need this.
The worst thing to tell a sales person is that you NEED what they are selling, (as in my car broke down and I have no way to get to work).
Colud you put the address For the used bike shop,I would like to go there. Thanks 😊
It’s on the corner of the national highway and the Bacong-Valencia Road in Bacong. In Google Maps put in 7-Eleven in Bacong. It’s next door
If you finance a new bike how much is comprehensive insurance? Is it mandatory? About how much monthly?
I’m not sure, but I would get the minimum you need. I have never met anyone who has gotten a payout, and it’s so cheap to get something fixed. I got new forks and brake pads on my bike for $52 USD after my accident
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 so what happens if it’s financed for 3 years and its stolen in 3 months?
If you buy new how long to get the registration and can you ride the scooter while you wait? One vlogger said no.
It takes about 4 months. Technically, you are not supposed to. It’s immediately transferable if you buy a used one. Also, many ferries ask to see the registration before you get on, and they will deny you
I think i would get a used one for $500. Ride it till its done. 1-3yrs
Wow! Those finance charges! Thats why some dealer's don't like cash...
Exactly!!!!!
They're used to the Filipino way of financing, most Filipinos cannot afford to pay cash.
used seems like the way to go - WW
Yeah WW, the only issue is registration. The government here is 2 years behind on NEW registration….you’ll probably never get the proper registration on a used bike….but then again, I’ve never been asked for registration at a checkpoint
Used seems to be the best value provided it’s in good operational condition and a registrations is possible because I think your insurance comes with the registrations. I would just go to my Kuyas and let them work it out after talking to them and telling me what I want. Being tall like you i think big size might be more comfortable and safer.
Can't ride a new bike until you get all the ownership papers which may take up to 3 months. Get caught without owner reg and you're in trouble.
Used bikes or rentals are the way to go. You can have all the legal paper work right away.
That’s why I say “You will never take me alive”😉
Yeah, but you can also get a plate made anywhere in town and put it on. I’ve never been asked for registration at a checkpoint. If you want to take the chance, that is😉
Not true at all. Bought a new NMaz well over a month ago a have ridden it daily without an issue. You get all paperwork before leaving the dealership.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65 try doing that in Mindanao.
There are some other dealers that finish it in max 30 days. You just have to find the right one. On Mactan Island there is a good shop
Those interest rates are absolutely insane. Definitely loan sharking
Yes they are!
They punish you for financing over a shorter term? The best deal is cash out the door. Keep life simple.
Absolutely!!!
Never bought a scooter only motorcycles, the cash price seems reasonable without financing
Yeah, I’ll probably put it on my credit card, so I can get the air miles and then pay it off at the end of the month to avoid interest. That’s what I did in the US and amassed enough air miles and hotel stays that my trip from Houston to Manila…which included an overnight stay in LA, 3 nights in Honolulu, and business class flight to Guam and Manila for only $510 out of pocket 😉
Thank you Kevin!
Sorry it took so long. Thanks again for watching!
I am Sold on the MT-15!
That’s a good choice, thanks for watching!
It is insane. I've done the math too... its criminal!!!
It’s a shame. Their logic is, 90% default and disappear with the scooter
I'm not sure which bike I like better but I would drive it like I stole it. It's smart to rent one so when I wreck it I just walk away and it's no big deal. I would crash it or stop paying for it until they repo it and just go to another rental company. Or maybe better to just drive it into the ocean so they can't find it.
Please don't come to the Philippines. We have plenty of douchebags here already.
No, they will get enough info from you to where you need to bring it back intact. If you wreck it, you have to fix it. I had to replace my forks and they replaced the front brakes on mine for less than $50 …that was parts and labor
Sales girl prolly said after u left there. OMG another cheap charlie? Lol
Hahaha, I have been in since. She said people mentioned the video, so it helped.
@@TooMuchTimeonmyHands65glad you made a difference for both that business and your followers
When in Asia rent everything don't buy 😂 !
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I don’t have anything to do with the number of ads that are being run in my videos. I appreciated you watching, sorry to see you go.
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Thanks for watching Daniel! I’m glad you found it helpful 😉