Lens Test - Canon FD (Shot on Ursa Mini Pro 12K)
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2021
- We've tested our Canon FD lenses in combination with the Ursa Mini Pro 12K for an upcoming project. Our goal was to test the image quality and to compare shooting without filtration and with. Also testing the motion and jitter while shooting handheld (shoulder).
Specs:
URSA MINI PRO 12K
BRAW 8192x4320 Q3 25P
ISO 800
WB 4800
Lenses:
CANON FD SSC 17MM f4.0
CANON FD SSC 24MM f2.8
CANON FD SSC 35MM f2.0
CANON FD SSC 55MM f1.2
CANON FD SSC 85MM f1.8
Filter:
SCHNEIDER HOLLYWOOD BLACKMAGIC 1/8
Camera
Wander Andringa
AC
Jaap Ruurd Feitsma
Actor
Tim Helderman
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Thank you, finally a lens test shot in some well composed scenes.
So tired of everyone’s succulents and bobble heads in their apartments lol. Agreed
Awesome test! I like how you did different perspectives on each lens and showed them in different situations.
Superb! Canon FDs on the URSA make for a perfect cinematic partnership. Great work.
That was great imagery all the way through, thank you for the upload! I love the FD lenses on this beast
Looks like a movie. Love those FD lenses.
Powerful visual narrative right there. Beautifully done. Excellent music score choice. I really don’t regret my choice for going with Canon FDs. Even with a mere Pocket 4K and 0.71 speedbooster.
Beautiful work. Thanks for sharing!
Amazing, I have the 35mm F2 & 55mm 1.2 and I love the both. I'm also after a 20mm 2.8 & 85mm 1.2. Thanks for sharing your footage!
Mesmerized by these images
This looks fantastic mate
Devine from start to finish. If this is just the lens test, I can't wait to see the final project ;-)
Thanks Ty!
Stunning!
Beautiful!
Holds up well on the shoulder. Super fast rolling shutter really helps. Would love to've seen more of the 55mm. Really nice though. I think the 24 and 35 are the best overall, most versatile of the lot.
Haha I was afraid you weren't going to include the 17mm but you came through in the end! Thanks!
Love this.
Real talent!
Amazing work!
super stunning and a true filmmic look, really love it man !
you made my day !
if I mind asking,
1.wondering if I can achieve this look on gloomy days since the dynamic range of 12K and G2 isn't that far ?
2. how's the read-out speed and rolling shutter in this camera compared to Ursa Mini G2 ?
Happy to see that my Conen FDs will still work if i switch from my GH5s to Ursa 12k 😆 Love those lenses for about over 10 years now.
Very good !
These are amazing shots! I’m curious what adapter you used?
Oof, I can’t wait for ironglass to start rehousing them they’ll literally be a beast of a lens for narrative
Beautiful footage. This is Hollywood level! Was considering getting this blackmagic ursa mini 12k now that the price has dropped. I shoot nikon, though.
beautiful
the 17 felt different. the 35 & 85 looked the cleanest to me.Nice work!!
I'll have to test that lens a bit more, but at that moment I was shooting with the last light of the day. So f4.0 was kinda pushing the sensor, it would probably look more in line with the rest if there was a bit more light available.
i just got my hands on the 24mm 2.8 using black pocket 6k and it just look filmic i tried a sigme 24mm 1.4 which is very sharp but something about the look of vintage lenes are amazing
Beautiful footage.
What fd to ef adapter are you using?
Beautiful work! Curious about your grade and how you added 16mm - did you use a program like film convert or Dehancer? Again, really nice work!
Hi Heroa! The grade was super simple, I first did some basic gamma/curve corrections to get the footage more low in the waveform. Which makes it look more cinematic and toned down. I used FJ 8563 RL film stock from Filmconvert and for film grain I used the 16mm fine grain texture from Ezrah Cohen set to overlay.
Wow, what great images but I wish you hadn't added 16mm film grain until the end.
I might consider uploading a compilation of shots from projects I shot with this camera so far. Without grain or film emulation :)
Hello, to the current date are you happy with the 17mm fd? or do you not recommend it? thanks for the video, i like it :)
is the music from "golden hour by JVKE"?
Well, you are definitely selling this to me. I wasn't hesitant and even cancelled my pre-order thanks to the issues brought up in the Epic Light Media and Armando collab video. But I'll give it an honest try-by-rental first.
It's a really good camera actually. I just finished shooting a short movie project on it (will share some stills/footage in the UMP user group on facebook soon). I don't see any other camera manufacturers competing at that price point. To me Canon and Sony just don't offer camera's that deliver a cinematic image (except for the Venice). To me the only true upgrade would be an Arri sensor.
@@WanderAndringa Nice. I really appreciate you taking time to express that information. I'll give it a shot. And stay safe!
Nice footage! I'm wondering though, is the 35mm f2.8 at the 1:00 mark a typo? At the beginning for your lenses (and in the description) you say 35mm f2.0. I'm mostly wondering because I have an fd 35mm f2.8 that I'm waiting on a conversion kit for and I'm having a hard time finding decently composed footage lmao
It's the 35mm f2.0 stopped down to f2.8 ;)
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Looks great. Curious to know what method for adapting the lenses you used?
Thanks Wyatt! I ordered EF conversion kits from simmodlens.com. Since I'm from The Netherlands, I didn't want to risk sending the lenses to the USA to get them converted, so I did the conversion myself with the help from some RUclips videos. It's not too hard actually... Simmod sells everything for a complete cinemod. Are you thinking about getting a FD set?
@@WanderAndringa Thanks! Yes, I have a few Canon F's and will be modding them soon.
@@wyattvisuals Good luck! Let me know if I can help :)
Are you using a FD Lens to EF Adapter or is the Lens converted to EF
The Tokina 17mm f3.5 AT-X Pro(from the 90’s) matches perfectly with FD’s, is much cheaper and the front element doesn’t rotate, so you can use it with matte boxes and Vari ND. I actually sold my FD 17mm after getting one.
Hi Cire! Thanks for the tip, will definitely take a look at that lens :)
So I read that the 90's version has a metal hood permanently attached to it, how does that work out with matteboxes?
@@WanderAndringa you want to look for the AT-X Pro, it doesn’t have permanent hood. If you want manual aperture get the Nikon and convert to EF with the Simmod adapter.
amazing mood！FD modify to EF directly without an adapter?
Yea it's without an adapter. The lens is modded to EF.
How do you feel about the FDs now? I was thinking about starting the process of building a set. Also, how do you feel the 12K handles micro jitters and motion? I'm really happy with my UMP G2 but would love to grab a 12k eventually...
I'm still in love with the lens set, used it on a bunch of projects now for different clients. They have a ton of character! The UMP 12k has a super fast sensor read out, especially in 8k mode or below. Definitely superior to the readout of the G2 and most other S35 camera's.
But to be fair, motion jitter has never been a problem to me in most modern cinema camera's. I guess it depends on the jobs you do! There's a lot of info you can find online about the sensor readout! It's great :)
Superior to G2? I know you like your camera but be realistic....
I have the URSA G2 and have the FD lenses on the way! Did you use an adapter or did you "mod" the EF mount to the lens from SIMMOD. Seeing some mixed reviews on which is more ideal for using these lenses.
I use modded lenses with SIMMOD. All my lenses are EF mount, so this was the only option for me. I don't want to change out my lens mount every time I go out shooting. CanonFD's are great, but not for every project.
Would you consider recording in 12K then downscaling to 8K in post instead of recording directly to 8K?
To be honest, you will get the highest quality from recording in 12K (I think about 0.3 stop more dynamic range), but for most shoots it's just too much data to handle given the budgets and time constraints. But 8K looks absolutely stunning as well!
is there a difference in the image quality or look compared to the nfd versions?
Most lenses don't have a significant difference, maybe coating. But a few do, like the 35mm for example has a different element design. The older SSC version has a concave front lens element and thorium in the glass. Which in my taste looks better than the nFD. Other than that there's a difference in build, where the nFDs are build more light for photography use.. But at this point seeing how rare these lenses are becoming, I wouldn't shy away from building an entire nFD set they are amazing.
@@WanderAndringa Are the fd focus throw as long as the cinema lenses like the rokinon?
what did you use to get FD lenses on a PL camera? any special mount?
This was with the EF mount on the 12K. The Canon FD lenses are modded to EF as well. I used conversion kits from 'SimmodLens' to mod them myself.
@@WanderAndringa that’s awesome, thanks dude :)
Is this the real URSA 12K? Cuz I have seen this video before stated that it was shot with the G2...But it's DOPE love it
As the video title suggests, it's shot with the UMP 12K. Curious where you've seen this before, because I shot this a day before I uploaded it to yt.
@@WanderAndringa Ok cool, sorry if I mistakenly seen your video as someone else...But your video is really DOPE...
How you got no flares ? The car moving behind with the light are giving zero flares. Have you used matte box for it ?
I did use a mattebox, but there weren't that many bright lights coming towards the lens.
I'm really intrigued by the grain. Nothing added in post? That's just the camera's natural noise pattern shooting at those ISO's and light levels? It looks great.
Are you jocking? This camera has no noise pattern or grain. Something went terribly wrong with the compression here I guess, look at 2:30 in the shadow...
I added 16mm film grain.
@@WanderAndringa Got, thought so. It looked great, but definitely did not look like anything I've seen coming out of this (or really any digital camera).
@@nordfresse No, I'm not Joking. See Wander's reply below.
Since you only have modded your lenses to fit EF, that means there is still a crop factor here, so the lenses are tighter than what they really are?
Has nothing to do with the lens mount :-) But with the size of the camera sensor! With the 12k sensor you have a slightly larger than s35 sensor area with a 1.3x crop factor.
How did you get your Canon FD to fit on the Ursa EF mount?
I modded my lenses with the mounts provided by SimmodLens! Sadly there's no other way, adapters don't work.
@@WanderAndringa C7adapters actually sell a FD mount for the Ursa Mini lineup. That way you don't have to modify the lenses.
How do you think this camera performs in the shadows?
It's pretty good actually, I don't think the latitude is as good as Arri Alexa but it's definitely good.
@@WanderAndringa good to know. I'm definitely noticing improved colour - there's more seperation of colours as a result - nice work!
@@WanderAndringa What about at 2:30..?
@@nordfresse that's RUclips compression. The original file is really clean.
@@nordfresse I have another test on my channel where you can see some comparison tests with the Arri Amira.
Hm, to best honest: I don't see any differences between the versions with or without a filter.
It's subtle for sure, you will see it when you look at the source footage without compression. And you can spot it when looking at highlights (slight bloom).
U will use old imax 70 mm or 12 k ursa
If I had the budget I would most definitely chose to shoot 70mm imax over UMP 12k haha
@@WanderAndringa what so much difference in shooting 70mm IMAX and 12 k
@@tokyoniki9200 Well for one, when shooting 70mm IMAX you're shooting on celluloid film. So you get the whole analog film image that comes with it, with different highlight roll off and textures. Secondly the UMP12k sensor is a S35 sensor which doesn't even come close to the capture size of the 70mm format. If you'd want to compare a digital cinema camera to the 70MM imax camera you should look at the Alexa 65. Which has nearly the same sensor size :)
Don't get me wrong, you could shoot a film on either of these sensors. But there are differences!
@@WanderAndringa yeah it differs 12k and 70mm..
But even differs arri 65 & 70 mm
Arri wides is 54mm & height is half of 70mm height ..
fd on blackmagic?? what adapter did you used?
I modded the lenses to EF mount using Simmod lens conversion.
@@WanderAndringa thank you after this video i ordered fd lenses (the leica was tooo expensive for me)
@@WanderAndringa thank you i got few fd lenses after your video i own also the leica R 50MM (really like new) and after tested against the meike ff 50 the meike is amazing hope my new canon also will be as good i love the vintage look
beautiful cinematography , not a hater but i don't see advantages of 12 k so sharp just to need a diffusion anyway
This new sensor pattern created 12K kind of as a side effect, but it downsamples to perfect 4K 444 RGB. It's like Sony's old masterpiece of a camera the F35. That 13 year old Sony sensor used a different pattern from the common bayer pattern as well, and it was a 5.7K sensor that delivered 2K footage at perfect 444 RGB. Even modern 8K Cameras don't deliver true 4K 444 RGB. Also, from tests done at cinema5d, when downsampled to 4K the Ursa 12K can recover 1 stop of dynamic range.
@@jasonthomas7309 ohhhh
Why so much noise?
are these lenses radioactive?
Some of them are, you can find lists online. I believe some of them are the 17mm, four versions of the 35mm 2.0 and the 50mm 1.4 s.s.c. But supposedly you have to wear the lenses on you 24/7 for a whole year and still not be exposed to harmful radiation. Except for when you'd polish the lenses and breathe in micro dust from the glass but that is something which is/was only done in lens factories. If anyone has found a different reaserch outcome I'd be happy to hear :)
Your work looks awesome. But man that camera is showing a lot of noise and some weird patterns in that jacket. Seems to be a common theme with this camera. I am pretty disappointed.
Make sure to watch in 4K
@@JairajSinghPatil yep I did. I stand by my opinion. Great lighting and cinematography that looks less than it could by a noisy camera.
I'm 100% sure I saw this video months ago on the Canon FD facebook page and the video wasn't shot on the 12K previously... ***Note*** I'm not trolling, just stunt.
Well yea this exact video has been shared one month ago on the CanonFD Facebook page. There's a search function, you can look it up.
Holy moly the amount of noise even in the highlights of his cheek are unbearable. I can't believe all the positive comments here. How is no one seeing the noise? Maybe it's film grain? To me it looks bad. Also why do so much to the image to do a lens test? It's hard to see what it's actually doing with all the processing going on. This makes me not want to buy the URSA 12k. Can you do another with clean REC 709 renders?
RUclips isn't the best way to view test footage. Most test footage from different cameras has noise cause RUclips loves compression in videos. I would suggest just going to a rental house and doing your own test footage.
@@caitlyns871 He already admitted in another thread that he added film grain. I thought it was noise. Regardless, it still looks bad especially since this camera had some noise issues. So this has nothing to do with RUclips... Good try though.
@@godboy159 I'm aware of the film grain too and that it could have a little bit of a noise issue. However, youtube can affect it too. "Good try"...haha what.
The fake film grain special effects really make this lens test pointless.
For you maybe. Maybe the director of the shoot I did this test for wanted to see grain. Who knows?
@@WanderAndringa Yes, that's a fair point, thank you. I am commenting from my own perspective. The fake film grain special effects really make this lens test pointless, for me and anyone interested in the clarity of the lenses being tested.
@@basic-decaf so if this was shot on actual film it would've been pointless too? If you want to see these lenses tested with a specific sensor or with the lowest possible noise floor than you should rent and do the tests yourself.. or you could've asked me to upload a raw clip. I'm shooting with vintage glass to see if we can emulate a film like look for a specific project.
@@WanderAndringa "Rent the lenses and do the test yourself." Great response! I'm going to go do that, rather than just go and find a better RUclipsr who understands the English language. Maybe CVP, who has 400x your subscriber count.
You titled this video a "lens test w/the the URSA 12K," not a special effects test, not a film emulation test. The 12K resolution of that camera resolves the limits of lens clarity and diffraction. Line pairs, halos. People click on your video to see high-resolution lens testing, that's what they expect by your title.
Yet, by adding fake, artificial grain, you're taking incredible amounts of data and information and then.. obscuring it, presenting it to your audience like a kind of bait-and-switch. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that, my dude.
P.S. If you're trying to emulate a film look, it's probably a good idea to not put black film grain in the highlights. It's so obviously fake, film has never and will never do that.
@@basic-decaf look mate I never intend or pretend to be a 'RUclipsr'. I don't give two cents about my subscriber count, I don't have to share these video's. I could've kept them for myself, but I put them online because I do think some people like to see them. So far the response has been positive, people like to see different kind of looks and shooting styles you can achieve with sensors and lenses.
They know where to look when they want to see a scientific test. Certainly not here anyway.
And for me personally there's a ton of stuff I learned from shooting these tests. The characteristics of each specific lens, how they handle in real world scenario (can they handle wireless focus motors). How sharp are they wide open or stopped down. All these thing you will only find out when you actually use them and evaluate them timely in your NLE.
The purpose of a lens test is also to give your director an idea of what's possible with it. And that was exactly what I did here...
Thanks for the grain tip, I'm not a colorist so I'm sure there are people better qualified than me to take care of that. I'm for sure not hiring one to do a lens test.