Did anyone not notice that none of this ever appeared in the teaser trailers we were shown? Controversial or not they snuck it in. They tried to hide it. That speaks volumes.
That's precisely what I told my friends: if you want to go see this keep your expectations low. The trailer you saw is part of the third act and that's all. The main story isn't even hinted at.
The Ghostbusters video game is more of the true Ghostbusters 3. If u haven't played it get it. Well worth it especially the original cast including Harold remis did the voices. The ending is so rewarding
I agree. I played it when it first came out and couldn't stop until I finished it. My older brother would watch me play and comment on the game. It was more than worth the time.
The only issue I have with Ghostbusters the video game is Vankmen gets in a Flirty love interest with Shandors descendent When in the last movie he became interest in Dana again.
If you’re spending that much time being a detective before a film then you probably just shouldn’t watch movies. They are supposed to be entertainment.
Until Hollywood realizes not everyone is gay or pansexual or whatever the South Park meme will b relevant. I don't care. Saves me money and gives me a chuckle.
I mean people are crazy there’s nothing woke, nothing gay in this movie. Ghosts have no sex, people are so stupid or maybe crazy because how things are nowadays lol
Yep. I was already not paying to see this since left wing lunatic Patton Oswalt is in it, but if there's alphabet content, then that's just one more nail in the metaphorical coffin.
@@LHollanspare us the insults and the “you’re not smart enough to understand” y’all jumped that shark with Rick and Morty. If you want to spend your money on crap fine but you will not lie that it isn’t crap.
If the place shut down, they moved out and the place was ravaged by vagrants, how did the ghost repository remain operational this whole time? If Winston calls the GB “the finger in the dam” keeping spirits out, that’s a fine thing to abandon 🤔🤷🏻♀️
@@peppermintpsaki1157 It was abandoned because of what Egon did (running off with all of the Ghostbusters gear, and basically putting them all out of business). All that aside, it is a teensy bit of a plot hole. But one could easily surmise that Winston bought the place, once he became a multi-millionaire, and closed up shop, to prevent any more stripping of copper. It's more than possible that the homeless people didn't even bother with the containment unit downstairs, or else didn't realize what was down there, and just left it alone.
The Hook and Ladder firehouse has the NYC fire department working there all day everyday so they were guarding the containment unit the whole time so there ya go.....
Black girlfriend, check. Weak male leads, check. Single mom, check. Androgynous teen character, who is gay, check. Force in tired, overly used, unimaginative, jokes, check. Member-berries, check. Movie completely forgotten in a year.... check.
@@a-atheistthat is what happens in a passing the torch film. as the video says, a lot of fans have been hyper-sensitized to every marker of woke that they can't enjoy even non-woke films anymore. I've even seen people complaining that Star Trek TNG episodes from 1987 were woke, which is ridiculous.
NONE of the male characters were allowed to have agency or competence. The closest was Ernie Hudson, but that was only because he was set up as the benefactor in the previous film.
For anyone who has seen the movie. You could very easily edit out the 'relationship' between the girl and the girl ghost. It serves no purpose, is cringe, awkward, and totally unnecessary to the plot. When this comes out online, i think I will be releasing an edited 'gay-busted' version on the bay just to f*ck with the dei obsessed wokies
So much time was wasted... Finn Wolfhart and slimer literally gave us nothing. A RUclipsr Cody Leach offered up what they could have done within this framework - Leave out the fire guy and the Casper the LesbiGhost, lean in on Paul Rudd trying to be the new father figure and Phoebe being too young to be a Ghostbuster and split the movie into two groups - her, Podcast, and Ray looking into the demon and the main family team doing other stuff and maybe not taking that threat seriously enough, at first.
It served the purpose of being the catalyst to release the main baddie, and in the end Melody was the spark of hope, that will light the fire, that will burn The First Order…wait.
looking forward to that one. i will not be watching this one. was going to skip it but if you could remove this pointless DEI stuff, i will give it a try. maybe add "DEI Free" somewhere in the name.
As soon as that girl ghost turned up I knew where it was going. Phoebe was a highlight of the first film but in the new one she's so sullen and moody. The charm and energy of her performance is gone. Hardly any ghosts or ghostbusting action in the new film either which was an odd choice.
The worst part is that it added nothing to the story and took away screen time from characters who are much more interesting. And like you said, they pretty much ruined Phoebe.
Regarding the ghostbusting, there was actually MORE OF THAT in this film, than in most of the others! Even the original GB only had like... THREE actual scenes involving the Ghostbusters doing stuff! Go back and watch. There's the "Slimer" bust in the hotel, there's the Dana subplot, involving her refrigerator, and then there's the final battle, on top of Central Park West's Condominium. That's it. This movie actually had the same amount of "ghostbusting" in it as the original did. So this feels like a hollow complaint, by people who are allowing their "fan standards" to override what they actually recall.
I was going to see it with younger relatives, but their mother cancelled the outing. She was not rescheduling them to see it. I hadn't paid enough attention to know there was an issue but some mothers are definitely on alert.
have they seen the original ghostbusters where the professor played by Murray was manipulating a student into bed, and Aykroyd's character was getting pleasured by a ghost?
They always destroy the fan favorite. It's logical. Attach all your messaging to the character that people relate to the most. Same goes for franchise. You have the audience.... insert message. Because their ideas can't attract people, they need to insert themselves into established properties. think... communism. It needs someone to take from, in order to survive, because it can't stand on it's own.
@@ZimCrusher Yes. Government is the same. It has to take because it produces nothing. Ideally, you have as little communism and government as possible on the federal level. The closer to home, the more communist you probably should be. Give more to your local food bank, homeless shelters, and hospitals, without help from the federals. More people would be helped, dollar for dollar, if it were all local, and the managers were directly accountable to their neighbors, instead of just spinning BS from 2,000 miles away in an ivory tower.
I mean people are crazy there’s nothing woke, nothing gay in this movie. Ghosts have no sex, people are so stupid or maybe crazy because how things are nowadays lol
Amateur fire bender reject from M. Night Shamalan was ok. I think they need the obligatory normie to be introduced into the paranormal, like Dana Barrett. Patton Oswalt was not needed at all; they could have used the Main Librarian from the first movie to help Ray in the Library
Yes that's exactly what the writers were doing here, i learned this term from Leslie Headland talking recently about her upcoming the acolyte series - "Queer-Coded".
This is the one film I wanted see this year. Unfortunately, I'll have to find something else to take my Grandchildren to see. Hollywood can't seem to get a clue.
He's overplaying it, it's really not that bad, the plot was clearly cut as an attempt to remove it from the film. People are jumping at ghosts, nothing more.
@@Hyperguyver2 I hadn't heard anything about the movie before hand, no spoilers, reviews, but when I saw the movie I picked up right away on the lesbian subtext. Yes nothing physical happened but they made the whole movie about Phoebe. It was her story. And she "befriend" a female ghost and wanted to be with her to experience her ghost life or whatever. C'mon now, don't be naive
I'm one of those who is extra-sensitive to alphabet coding, primarily because I grew up with it in my family. When you're gaslit by all the adults in the room from a young age, the slightest whiff of it sours everything.
....in what ways did they gaslight you? 😮 It's great that you persevered through their attempted indoctrination. You could be used as an example as to why the whole adoption thing was a bad idea...
Very interesting you point that out and i'm sorry this happened to you. This is the thing i don't think the LGBTQ+ Community fully understand or realize will most likely happen; over time, the more they and Hollyweird keep forcing this stuff into every movie, pushing it in front of youngsters faces, thinking they're gonna "Socially Engineer" the young minds to be conditioned to this woke agenda; the more they will just eventually cause most these young minds to massively reject ALL of it as they get *Older* into "Adulthood" and start to find themselves.
They tried to have their cake and eat it too, and succeeded? The whole thing with Phoebe and Melody was hella weird, but I’m glad they didn’t confirm anything romantic, it was more like a platonic friendship, it’s like they were trying to pander to the woke crowd while also trying not to upset conservatives.
Just having a notion of that or even an inkling of that in this movie with the granddaughter of Egon Spangler, what the hell were they thinking well pandering does not work. Hollywood all you ever learn and it makes me not want to watch this movie or even try to see it when it hits streaming.
It went beyond a platonic friendship when she availed herself to become a ghost “to be with” her. If it was strictly platonic friendship, there’s no impetus or reason to do anything but remain as is. The googly eyes she made towards Melody at the end was another thing. It seemed like friendship from Melody, until she realized Phoebe likes her, now she’s got an angle to work. It didn’t seem all that reciprocal.
@@AllanTidgwell The girl ghost and what she does in this movie ironically, kinda felt alot like a older LGBTQ teenager, trying to bait and manipulate a younger, naive straight teen, into "coming over".
I liked Phoebe in Afterlife but they messed her character up for Frozen Empire. Still this movie is better than 2016. But its pointless and further proves the Ghostbusters franchise really wasn't meant as a series. The first movie was golden but even Ghostbusters 2 (with the original crew still in their primes) wasn't nearly as good.
I liked Ghostbusters II. Yeah not as good as the first but still good. Of course I actually seen it before the first one since I was actually alive when it came out. I remember I had holographic movie poster that was included on the back of a Ghostbusters cereal box. Good shit!
@@garou12 This was a new threat. Retread would have been reusing "Vigo, the Carpathian," like they did with Gozer in "Afterlife." And I would have actually liked that a lot less than what we got.
@@garou12 Both subplots were perfectly aligned with each character. Didn't bother me one bit. Each situation was simply a different take on each character's pre-established weaknesses. Not like any sequel ever made has ever done the same exact thing before.
remember, when you give them an inch, they will take a mile. everyone who's saying it's okay, who cares, and so on seems to have forgotten that you're in this situation because you gave an inch years ago.
Oh yeah, the horror! Guys gay people have watched movies with all straight story lines for as long as movies have existed. Do you think they had to put it in the trailer that a straight romance was going to pop up? Just leave it alone, there were little queer subtexts in the movie that could have been taken as friendship or flirting. If the mere hint that something could be queer upsets people in 2024 then maybe you should think about all the straight romances that have been thrown at us over the years. You don't see queer people complaining that there was a hint of a straight romance do you? If you don't like the movie that's fine but you don't need to be homophobic about it. If this is what you call giving an inch and "they will take a mile" then I am sad. It took years for lgbtq relationships to even be portrayed in a good light in almost any film! Now when we get a few you as a member of the general public can't even let there be something in the movie that makes us feel good or that we would find nice or cute? God bless you my friend and hopefully he blesses you to be less judgmental. Its fine not to like the movie. It's not fine to be mad there could have been a gay relationship.
@@NotWhatIamMadeFor that's the problem with you, western dumbos, you push your ideology to the world. i'll agree with you when you portray wahhabi ideology in what they "find nice or cute" in your entertainment. isn't the excuse you always used, it's not for you, you don't have to watch it? then we're not watching. not even when they're censored. and you dare call us homophobic? you who insinuated queer people are silent heterophobic? there are already decades of yuri and yaoi genre, and people don't complain about them, you know why? because they don't force it. and they make it very well that everyone can enjoy it. when they made "were the world mine", i thought at last hollywood learned how to make a good yaoi story. but look at you now, forced inclusion, forced diversity, forced equality, but halfassed quality. that's the horror!
@captainpatspopculturesteam2300 he'll have more fun spending time with his dad fishing, camping, or hunting. And not have skittles shoved down his throat.
And it isn't the woke mob that did it to this film either. I'm so disappointed in The Fellowship with this horrible take and the only one who saw this part of the movie and didn't do so was Tom.
@@gokaury Because it was obvious and you just want to love the Ghostbusters movie. It's okay, I was in denial aboit TLJ when I first saw it. Sure, Holdo having purple hair and talking down to Oscar Isaac didn't actually mean anything....
lol Well, that's what you get for heavily pushing all this woke stuff onto your audience over like the past 10 frickin years; when you keep shoving a thing into someone's face eventually they're gonna reject it big time, and guard against anything remotely whiffing of that. That whole friendship between them could have been handled alot better, with better writing that doesn't come across as "Queer-Coded".
They made it very clear Phoebe was going gay for ghost girl. Very cringe. Can we just not turn everything gay and focus on Ghostbusting?!? I was overall happy with the movie, but we don’t need anymore Twilight: Ghostbusters Edition.
@@randomfeller It is absolutely the same thing, i just use their terms because i heard Leslie Headland, showrunner of the upcoming acolyte series specifically say - "Queer-Coded" when talking about her show. I prefer to say queer coded when calling them out because that way you give these people nothing to twist back on you and start calling you homophobic, toxic etc. Also "Queer-Coded" just sounds like very woke and PC, when you tell them what they're doing here making a teenage character - "Queer-Coded", it sounds very calculating on their part, like trying to *condition* and use like small signs and things to make that character read as Gay/Queer.
It was BORING AS F. Because they meandered on characters that NOBODY CARES ABOUT. With plots that didnt need to be there, and annoying characters that people hate. How do you not give a ton of screentime to bill when hes was basically a focal point in the first 2? He kinda made the first two movies. Also, how do you have the original ghostbusters be basically useless and most of the screen-time is for the secondary characters. Nobody cares about them. The best thing about the movie was the end monster. But he was in it for what, 5 minutes. Yey?
yes it was sooo boring. I kept checking the time on my phone for the first hour because nothing happened. It wasn't until the last act that every one teamed up to fight the main ghost
I saw it last night, and found it very enjoyable. It was a fitting follow up to Afterlife and furthered the story. The film depicted a friendship, such as it is, between a young girl who is socially awkward and emotionally vulnerable and a ghost, who is also a teenage girl feeling alone and abandoned after the loss of her family. Unfortunately, we've been so bludgeoned with identity politics in entertainment in recent years... That two female characters can't just be friends. We've gotta go back to that time. Sexually is not at the forefront of this film. And that's okay. It shouldn't be. Go see it, and have a good time
I agree. Even if they were hinting Phoebe is homosexual, at least that's not her entire character. They didn't beat the bad guy with the strength of their gayness or anything. Can virtually guarantee that's what it would've been had this been a Disney production.
We've been passively conditioned to see the woke in every single thing nowadays. It's a shame. I thought most people in the Fellowship would be better than that.
"Unfortunately, we've been so bludgeoned with identity politics in entertainment in recent years... That two female characters can't just be friends." Youre insane. Evidently they have to climax together 6 times for you to think theyre more than friends. 5 times? Youre not convinced. Its so evidently gay, you'd have to be naive and blind to not think so. There are PLEANTY of films out there even to this day where people are friends and why is it people dont think "oh theyre gay" . No they dont. You know WHY!? Because this film these 2 people ARE depicted as such, and in those movies, they are not. Logan Kim is back as Phoebe’s BEST Friend. Where was the googly eyes for HIM? Celeste O’Connor is back as Phoebe’s brother’s love interest. She was friends with her too. Why is it that nobody says they were also banging? OH. Right. Because she was "closer" to the ghost girl. WHOM SHE JUST MET. Shes known both of the others FOR YEARS. But evidently those friends are trash and shes "so lonely" They might as well not exist? Please. GTFO.
No. I won't go see it to a "have a good time" while grooming my kids. What an awful thing to do them, to have a few laughs. You sell out. This is why the west is losing a generation of kids to this sin and nonsense. "Oh but it's just a good time". Pathetic. Woke hollywood worms into our kids minds in every way possible, and people like you empower them to do so. Nah, I won't sell out my kids and this generation to these devils.
I'll watch it, but I expect that Sony don't move foward with this plotline or I'll bail out the next one. I have no intention on supporting any more films with forced DEI.
Don't even watch it. There's just so many characters that they jump from in under 2 hours that nothing feels truly fleshed out, and it all feels empty. Casper the LesbiGhost is just the most egregious example. You would be supporting DEI seeing THIS one. I wish I hadn't, but they hid it in the marketing.
The plot line ended with this film. The only part left to carry on is the new lab which of course is supposed to carry on. Garaka is defeated. Melody crossed over. Yes, Kumal and Patton are still alive and so could return, but there's no reason for Kumal to return since his power was to fend off Garaka, and Patton could return but he was so insignificant they might as well go to another source for the next movie. That would keep expanding the universe too
Just sail the high seas on it, that way you're checking it out of curiosity but not paying them a actual dime supporting it with your wallet. They'll never learn as long as people out there keep saying - "i'll check this one out this time, but..."
Jar-Jar Girl Ghost and the Firemaster sliding down the pole pushed this over the cliff. This had all the materials to be a layup and they decided to Last Jedi this franchise. What a shame...
It bothered me that even though we see her cutting out a part of the pole, it seems to be completely intact every time it shows up for the rest of the show.
It's a firehouse. In there are two poles on the first floor, not to mention the poles from the third floor, which go to the second @donkeysaurusrex7881
@@OrthoLouJason co wrote both movies.. Didn't direct this one but I being to wonder something between those two sometimes.. BTW, it says that Iven did co write this one too? From the grave?????? ;0)
I liked it enough. It was fun. It had some small problems, but over all, it worked. The dad becoming a dad, a daughter trying to find her place, a son becoming a man, and a mom along for the ride. With a nice bit of nostalgia, and total respect for the original characters, without running their 80+ bodies in to the ground. Good vid
I saw it yesterday with my wife. I agree that “liked it enough” is a good verdict. While having the OG characters in “Afterlife” was understandable, I felt they were rather unnecessary in this one. I think Trevor and Podcast were criminally underused and to have Podcast obstructed from energising a trap by the Staypuffed creatures EXACTLY the same way and for the same reason as in “Afterlife” was stupid. I do not understand why critics say there were too many sub-plots, but there were too many characters in the climax. Kumail Nanjiani was not nearly as bad as some critics said. As regards Phoebe’s lesbian thing, why does Hollywood always think intelligent women are gay. I was pleased to saw James Acaster.
I am planning to see it, because Afterlife was genuinely a love letter to both fans and the franchise. I however I am tired of everything revolving around one's gender, not to mentio stupid to add to favor an industry that no matter how much you vietue signal, it will never be enough. Pabdering to Hollywood and their "modern audience" is beyond stupid, because you will never please them, and will only sour fans taste and trust... Its a no win wcenario.
I loved the Afterlife, too.... Skip this one so it isn't diminished for you. They ruined Phoebe and honestly kinda changed the lore of ghosts in this movie.
If an anti-woke movie company was ever to set up… and focused on producing pop culture films catering to old guard fan service, it would absolutely clean house!
Afterlife was written and directed by Jason Reitman, the son of Ivan Reitman. 2016 was written and directed by Paul Feig. Afterlife actually backhands 2016 by having a line in it "there hasn't been a ghost sighting in thirty years." Afterlife is also respectful of the original characters. It's not like Star Wars where the people in control care more about DIE than story
The main antagonist should have been played by an actual man, instead of a CGI monster. I'd've made Garraka be played by Jeremy Irons with the aesthetics and some minor CG. I would've dropped Melody and the Fire Master nonsense. I would have turned this into a Versus battle between Garraka and Gozer with Ray stating there's only one ghost they know of that couldn't be controlled by him. And I wouldn't have the main villain be defeated in front of a doorway of a former fire station for Christ's sake...setting is everything, so I don't know what the hell that was. *Garraka tries to posses Gozer* *Doesn't work* Garraka: "Are you a god?" Gozer: "Yes" Garraka: "Then you will bow before this one!" *Fight ensues*
the constant sex jokes is what gets me, trailer had them and they kept tossing them around in the movie as if the characters using them arnt leading a bunch a kids around and its soo weird. Hollywood is a bunch of porn addicts
It did not even remotely hint this about her in the previous film. If anything, it seemed like her and Podcast would be a thing, but now, of course, the BOY is a "third wheel." I'm so sick of this shit being pushed onto kids. Also, the experiment that pretty much temporarily killed her for 2 minutes was a huge innovation within that universe and just came outta nowhere; never even a single line of dialogue about trying to make such a thing.
so I saw this movie and I dont remember a girl love interest it made me think they were just friends that had a connection like huck fin, but I did enjoy it, I did feel some of the family didn't have enough screen time, and more slimmer
The pawns go first, I no longer try to be the first to buy movie tickets (along with video games, music, tv shows, etc) because I no longer trust Hollywood/entertainment. “The message” of indoctrination is more important than anything being good. I wait and review a variety of opinions of those who’s seen movies first, I’m done with wasting my time and money on messaging garbage.
When seeing the two female characters, I thought that there are going to be some who will ship them, because apparently two girls cannot be friends without a romantic relationship. I just saw two teenage girls who a moment of need had no one else to talk to but each other and needed a friend.
This right here, I also thought Phoebe found someone who was a subject of her interest, that is ghost or paranormal stuff, and just wanted to know what was life like on the other side. Not oh my gosh, your a ghost and a girl. I'm fallen head over heels for you.
I concur. I didn't get any of that either. One - she's an underage teenager. Two - its a ghost. I think it says more about our deplorable society that some are expecting blooming for such perversions.
@comet5915 Then it went over your heads. Casper the LesbiGhost called Podcast, a boy who it seemed she may have had a thing with eventually, a "third-wheel." What on Earth would one of them not being a ghost keep them "separated from each other" to do..? The "boo" line that reoccurred was clearly flirtatious. I do agree that it's an awful trend that people of the same sex can't be loving towards each other without Hollywood making it sexual. That's toxic for quite a few different reasons.
The "boo" was not flirtatious. The ghost said Boo and the live girl's first word as a temporary ghost was to say boo. You are seeing what you want to see, so you can complain about it. @@OrthoLou
I really enjoyed the film! The pacing wasn't as good as Afterlife in some scenes, but it was fun what they did bringing the firehouse back and expanding upon the Ghostbusters' business. James Acaster's scenes were great and I wish they used him more in this film. This felt like an extended episode of the cartoon series.
As a fan of the originals I was really looking forward to be able to take my kids to see this in the theater. There haven’t been a lot of movies that have come out that we can enjoy together but after hearing reviews I think I’ll pass. I’m done with hidden or not so secret agendas.
Also, Paul Rudd is supposed to be the star of this movie yet fire master Stuber completely steals his heroic story arc. Rudd does absolutely nothing in this film.
As a Ghostbusters fan and a movie lover in general, I am so exhausted by the whole forcing gay stuff into movies. I will actively avoid watching a film if I know that it's put in there at this point. When I see that stuff in a movie trailer or hear about it, that signals to me that the movie doesn't trust that it's of high enough quality to Warrant my attention or me spending money to watch it, so I just pass on it all together. This one will be no different
I'll pass. The first two Ghostbusters movies (the first one, especially) were adult comedies. In fact, I would argue that the excellent writing and delivery of its comedy is what made Ghostbusters a hit and a classic, not the story nor the concept. Even the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot understood this (it failed in all aspects of execution, of course, but still). As such, this pivot to a more standard PG "family-friendly" adventure just doesn't do it for me. The heart of what made Ghostbusters great is gone and replaced by something that doesn't feel Ghostbusters to me.
I disagree. The comedy of Ghostbusters 1984 went way over my young head and the rest of kids' heads at the time. As an adult I picked up on it and realised it was actually a comedy all along, but as a child that's not what made me want to watch it over and over and over again and buy all the toys.
Firstly, I had no idea that this movie was coming until a few weeks before it arrived; wasn't hungry for a new Ghostbusters, but hoped it would be good. After learning that they have implanted child GROOMING into the film (even subtly), I would have to give it a HARD PASS. GROOMING IS STILL GROOMING, and is reprehensible. EDIT: I think the studio should just stop now. No more films going forward.
The issue is that if grooming is being used by the villain then wouldn't that make the villain... villainous? If we don't let the villains do bad things then in what way are they villains?
@@AllanTidgwell that's not where the grooming is... Phoebe already had this... disposition, within the film, and so did the ghost, so that's why she was able to manipulate her. The grooming is from the filmmakers for the kids watching.
Grooming? You realize that in the 1984 original, Professor Venkman was manipulating a female student into bed in his first scene. And he was supposedly one of the good guys, not a villain.
I saw the movie with my wife. We're both REALLY , REALLY good at picking up on that kind of messaging in the movie that you're suggesting was there: it wasn't there. Niether of us liked the ghost girl in the movie and found her pointless, but there was no alphabet messaging or hinting at it in the film. That character was pointless and represented a pointless plot side step to something about how awful it is to be a teenager without friends, but that doesn't make it alphabet messaging.
Maybe Francis has finally desensitized you.... It was pretty obvious and I did not go in expecting anything like that. -How giddy Phoebe becomes when they first meet. -Her calling Podcast a "third wheel." -What on Earth would friends be "separated" from doing if one of them is a ghost..? -The flirtatiously saying "Boo!" back to her when Phoebe turns into a ghost. The way they gaze at each other as they're standing so close; I was ready to walk out because I thought they were going to kiss. -"Was any of it even real? 🥺" Is that what you ask a friend when they betray you? -In the end when they touched on the monistic "my energy dissolves back into the universe" she said "we'll be together." The music alone implied romance.
I went to see it over the weekend and took my mom and kids. I regret going. when a certain scene popped up, we just got up and left. It was kind of lame anyway but I’m so exhausted of anything of a virtue signaling nature that it just makes me sick at this point.
Gotta say... every ad I've seen for this movie has been seriously underwhelming. Like they just have the original actors standing around, somebody quips, a mini Stay Puffed guy does something... good grief, I'm bored just writing this. This franchise is over. Enjoy the originals.
Probably hard to write for actors that are like 70 years old and are divas and get tired just going up the stairs 😂 what can you really make them do? It's tough to write for them I assume. They also went too young with the other cast and Paul rudd just feels well casted but he really doesn't get enough to do. If he had a cast his age he can deliver the goods as a main character
@@albaestrada8603 It wasnt hard for writers to do that to indiana jones. Im not saying it was good, but at least he had more screentime than any of the original ghostbusters in this movie.
I remember hearing the new writers brought on board having an ‘interesting’ choice of techniques. Decided to step back and now see suspicions were likely correct
Sorry, I just saw that today, it's a 15-year-old girl finding a friend after she feels like she lost her family and her purpose. There isn't anything romantic there; now, when it took that route, I was afraid it would be that end there but nope.
Why was Podcast not already a good friend..? For what reason did she feel this loneliness? Do friends say things like "Was any of it real? 🥺" when they get betrayed or stabbed in the back?
@@OrthoLouIf you're a major introvert on the spectrum with very few friends to begin with, and you're feeling distant from your family because you're "too young", and you can't get how your family is trying to avoid causing any issues that would uproot you all AGAIN...then yes, it does make sense without lesbian undertones. People are right to have heightened awareness for woke, but people also need to avoid knee-jerk reactions like what you're showcasing. There's times where you need to take a step back and evaluate your own perspective before you cast judgment. This is one of those times. Don't be like the damn progressive authoritarian activists.
The problem with Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire - aside from it not being FUNNY enough - was that none of the character arcs were adequately developed or connected. The only character that had a complete and satisfying arc was the Ghost Girl. I got the impression that there were more scenes and most of the character development was left on the cutting room floor. I wonder if Frozen Empire would benefit from a Director’s Cut that was 20-30 minutes longer. But that wouldn’t solve the lack-of-humour! Frozen Empire had potential and I sincerely wanted it to be a worthy sequel to Afterlife, which I loved. However, the movie was overburdened by too many characters - old and new - the Firehouse’s containment unit getting full and Winston’s secret Ghostbuster Lab being mostly irrelevant, and only scratching the surface of the “ethical dilemma” of imprisoning ghosts forever instead of trying to rehabilitiate them by helping them fulfill their ghostly purpose so they can transcend like Egon’s Ghost did in Afterlife. The biggest plot hole was the “ghost spy honeytrap” scheme came from nowhere, because Phoebe never interacted with the Brass Orb; it went from the hustler guy to Ray and Podcast to Winston’s lab techs. If the Ghostbusters “Family Four” had been in proximity to the Brass Orb when they had their family drama and Phoebe was sidelined, it would’ve been plausible the big bad concocted that scheme. The movie would’ve been better if it focused on the Family Four ghostbusting together, providing more screentime to explore Gary’s would-be-stepdad relationship to Phoebe and Trevor, and demonstrating that Callie was a legit Ghostbuster (after Phoebe’s dig that she should be answering the phone instead) and not just the Buzzkill Mom. If the Family Four had remained together for the first half of the movie, they could’ve encountered the Brass Orb and then Phoebe could’ve been sidelined by the mayor’s interference, which would’ve left her susceptible to the ghost honeytrap. Phoebe could’ve focused on that plotline, provoking her to seek out Ray’s guidance and calling in Podcast and Lucky for backup, forming the Junior Ghostbusters! The two teams could’ve investigated the big bad ghost threat from two directions, converged in the 3rd Act, and everyone reunited for the climactic battle at the end. Frozen Empire was disappointing on par with Ghostbusters 2, but far from the disaster of 2016. I doubt it will exceed Afterlife’s box office performance, but I do hope another sequel is made, preferably directed by Jason Reitman and focused more on the comedy rather than big budget CGI effects.
They couldn't just keep Phoebe the quirky nerd we like in Afterlife. I saw it last Friday night and felt the gay undertones from the first enounter she had with Melody. I stuck with the rest of the movie, but would have left if there was a ghost kiss. That would have been my reason to leave.
It's kind of ironic. In the past, having a gay/lesbian character would be seen as no big deal. Now because of the message, people actively avoid movies with such messaging. The message is making people homophobic.
Cos they’re pushing it in everyone all the dam time. They didn’t before! That’s why no one has the problem before! Past 7 years they been so eager and much pushing this bullcrap!
I honestly don't believe the majority is homophobic, which as a word has really lost its meaning like racism in how its been abused and overused by The Left. People are just sick of it being forced on them. When Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door, you have the option to slam it in their face. You tell some Useful Idiot you're not interested in the woke mind virus and they go out of their way to try and destroy you.
Greetings Midnight's Edge. Regarding this video. While I have yet to see the actual movie I have read the plot synopsis of Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, with emphasis on Phoebe and what you have mentioned here in your video. As such I have reached the conclusion that some people are misjudging Phoebe's presentation in the film as a result of all the agenda based shenanigans running rampant in Hollywood at this time. According to the storyline, as a means to get Peck off of their back, Phoebe is suspended from the team. Which naturally comes as quite a blow to Phoebe. Now despite being Egon Spengler's granddaughter, as well as sharing much of his traits, Phoebe is still a teenage girl. One who is now feeling rejected with no one to relate to. Enter Melody, who despite being a ghost, is relatable to Phoebe as another girl of similar age and is in an emotionally similar situation, but has an ulterior motive for her actions. This is nothing new. This scenario has been played out time and time again in movies and in television series for years. One example off the top of my head would be the characters of Webby and Lena from The DuckTales 2017 reboot. Curiously enough, their story is being reflected seven years later in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire with Phoebe and Melody respectively As I stated, this scenario is not new However what is new is the reaction to this type of scenario. Reactions that are a result of all of the progressive tampering currently running rampant through Hollywood. So much that now when anyone sees this type of scenario the first thing that comes to mind is some LGB connotation. Now as a Gen-Xer, I am more than aware of what has been occurring within current day media regarding such things pertaining to “The Message” as The Critical Drinker coins it in comparison to all media that has come before this issue. While there are movies and television series that are pushing “The Message”, not every one of them are doing so. I believe that Phoebe and Melody from Ghostbusters Frozen Empire are not LGB virtually signaling anyone. At the very least Phoebe is a tomboy. To believe that all tomboys are either bisexual or gay is a stereotype and a wrong one in that. Unless the script officially declares that the character is either bi or gay she is not. I have no doubt that there are people out there who do what's known as shipping and have probably hijacked Phoebe and Melody for either of the two based on their own personal interest and need for recognition. This has happened before many times. It is up to us the fans to look at individual performances and characters objectively without jumping to conclusions that could be detrimental to the performance run of the franchise. As well as giving haters any unnecessary ammunition to use for their own ends.
I took away more of a friend vibe between Phoebe and Melody two people who needed to connect with someone. That doesn't automatically make the connection romantic. I thought there was a lot of good in the movie but they needed to either make the movie ten minutes longer to better develop the various story lines or drop one story line to further develop the remaining ones.
"Who's the third wheel?" asks the lesbian ghost, whom she just met, about her male friend she's known for a few years now. "We're separated by space and time." "One day we'll be together in the universe" or whatever monistic nonsense. That "Boo!" was clearly flirtatious, when Phoebe said it back to her after risking her life so they could be not be "separated." Come on, guys. It's Hollywood. It's obvious by now.
@OrthoLou Melody is literally manipulating Phoebe. The reason she denigrated podcast is because isolation is a tool of manipulation. Him being there means a third party could catch on to what she's doing and then call her on it breaking the manipulation. Podcast was a threat. That's why she said it Also a subtle note. When her, Podcast and Ray are in the Ecto-C she's in the sidecar, making her the 3rd wheel
@@OrthoLou “Who’s the third wheel?” asks the equally socially awkward girl, who hasn’t interacted with other people since her death and feels like a bit like a freak about to be displayed because of it. “We’re separated by space and time…” could have just as easily been a completely platonic observation of their different metaphysical states. That “Boo!” Could have been a joke. Could all these interactions been romantic? Sure. In this day and age they can twist anything, but is it explicit? No, and the simplest answer is usually the correct one. My point is the presentation is subjective and I suspect intentionally so.
@@AllanTidgwell Good observation on her manipulation. I found the “Does it have to be her?” A regret at having to betray the only friend she’s made in a long time.
Saw it opening day & it was like watching paint dry. Tedious & I wondered why they stuck the gay crap in there when it didn't advance the story at all. Not sure if I wish I could get back the hours of my life that were wasted or the money I flushed down the loo (watched this mess in IMAX) more. Everything interesting is in the trailer.
"Ghostbusters wasn't meant to be franchise!" .....I look at The Real Ghostbusters, Extreme Ghostbusters, the IDW comics, and The Video Game. There seems to be people all over map in terms of reviews. I'm going to wait and see it next week. Ghostbusters has been one of my favorite series/modern mythologies (refuse to use franchise as it is used by corporate goons) for most my life. I waited for year for a Ghostbusters 3. After the hell that was 2016, we finally got one. I understand that there are some that Ghostbusters is just that one movie they enjoyed in the 80's. To me it means so much more between the animated series, comics and other material. This is a case where I will judge it for myself because I'm having a hard time reading the room.
Bill shows up for maybe 5 minutes. Egon is not in it. At all. So there goes half your ghostbusters. They take a back seat to the new cast and most of the movie is not those 2 people. It has a ton of scenes that dont need to be in it. If you take out the woke gay scene its STILL boring and poorly paced. If you dont mind that, youll love it.
wait.. what gay relationship is in GB FE? Are you talking about Phoebe and the ghost she became friends with? I dont think they were saying it was a romantic relationship at all.. I think it was a friendship .. I think youre hyping that part of the movie a tad.
@@killerbee2562something that has been passively programmed into society's mind by the woke mob. Every time someone falls in that trap, the woke mob wins.
Yeah, people are reading too much into that. Don't get me wrong I am the first to call that BS out because it is used so much today with no real substance behind it or reason to it; but people are really reaching when they compare this to that.
She called Podcast, a BOY Phoebe seemed to have a thing with in the last film, a "third wheel." The "Boo!" thing was clearly flirtatious. The way their scenes were shot and the type of music they chose to accompany it. What exactly are friends "separated" from doing with each other if one is a ghost and the other is not..? "We'll be together one day" is that how friends talk to each other..?
I still want to see this because I really loved Ghostbusters: Afterlife. However, many of my friends who also want to see it I'm afraid will HATE it because they are so sick of DEI pandering that they're almost go to movies ready to be triggered by any hint of that which they dislike. I think I will see it after they do, and take my chances if I choose to see it.
Until Hollywood gets it that critics don’t make a project profitable and thatFans do, flops are the in thing. Looks like making this Ghostbuster lame with a Chick in it, while making her gay just leads to the inevitable down spiral for the movie. A South Park told you so.
Well, she is. At least until they walk it back in the next film, but even if she ends up with a boy, she can still be bi or pan or whatever else they made up in the passed 10 years.
I'm tired of strong female characters all over the stories. I'd rather watch a movie where the girl only screams and needs to be saved (and I also thought badly about those movies) than even consider watching good productions (or so I heard) like "Blue Eye Samurai". And that "put a chicken in it and make it gay"... is all over the place. Even in stories where their preferences should not matter, someone has to say it. Why?
Andre, you have probably the most interesting review that I've seen so far. Though. Your review kind of Goes against Tom's because he didn't see the queer coating.But but 6, who is one of your wrenches, culture, casino and a few others as well. Of those on f and t called it right out.
I don't blame everyone for being cynical, but if they wanted to make Phoebe gay, they would have. I think she just felt lonely and wanted a friend. We've all been there at some point or another. I don't think this the "woke effect" happening, so to speak.
That's how they are But what they don't realize, it's getting out of hands, that's why I wanna stop watching new 2020 movies and start watching good old movies 😂 except late 2010 ones, that's how the gayness started, growing and growing Too much!! 😒😔🏳️🌈🎞🎬
I had heard about Phoebe's story prior to seeing it and was on guard for the story to go woke. When I saw it, I didn't think it was that bad and thought one of two things: 1. If she isn't lesbian, this could have easily just been construed as a combination of her depression for being cut from the team and her awkwardness in trying to get close to people or 2. If she is lesbian, at least they didn't beat you over the head with it. My bigger concern was how similar the spirit removal aspect felt like a teen-suicide thing, which I'm still not sure what to make of. I guess if it's via technological means, it might not be that bad, but I'm not sure. All that said, I've heard less complaints about this and more complaints that there was too much nostalgia (which I still don't understand how that's a bad thing if the story still moves forward) and too many characters, which while there may have been many, I didn't think anybody really suffered from it. The veterans weren't going to be the main focus. Everybody should have known that and I was pleased with the amount of time they did have. I'll even go so far as to say I thought the conversation between Ray and Winston about retiring was the most heart-warming scene in the whole movie, as it basically served as a reassurance that most of the original cast will stay with the franchise until they die or can't physically portray the characters anymore. I may need to watch the movie one more time to check my views, but as of right now, this is actually my second favorite film in the series with the original being the first.
The Gay scenes in the movie does not exist in Asian versions. She comes across as just a friend in those. This shows that the message is only directed at western nations.
Asia is a continent not a country, it includes China, India and the middle east. I saw a version that had middle eastern text but english audio@@pixelitchio there was none of the gay scenes people refer to. They just seemed to be friends.
I thought it was weird that Phoebe was in this new movie attracted to a female ghost when in afterlife I thought her and podcast were attracted to each other. 🤷🏼♂️
Ever since Afterlife, I had my suspicion that Phoebe is the 'girl boss'(Rey from Star Wars sequels) of the group. I wasn't surprised that Phoebe later made a ghost secret gay girlfriend in Frozen Empire.
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I liked it. I'm one of the "latter" types of fans that you refer to, in your video. I think that it was "queer-baiting" at the very worst. But everything you state about Phoebe makes perfect sense here. Phoebe, the character, was completely pushed aside, and isolated, by the main cast, most of which were her family. And they did this at the beck and call of one Mayor Peck(erhead), whose lifetime goal was always to use his power to take the Ghostbusters brand apart at the seams. Phoebe was fooled, by a vulnerable ghost cutie, into being friendly with it. But she was fooled. Phoebe even becomes a primary force in resolving the storyline, by CONFRONTING the ghost about this, at the end! I truly think this is a case of fans being "hyper-sensitive" to everything Hollywood has thrown at us, in the past half decade. And while that is understandable, I don't feel like this movie deserves a lot of the crap that has been thrown at it. Not at all. It was a good movie. Was it great? No. Was it the best Ghostbusters film ever made? Not even close. But it still felt like a Ghostbusters franchise film, that was more than faithful to the original spirit of the franchise.
I am a BIG Ghostbusters’ fan. I LOVED Afterlife and looked forward to this one. I give it a 3. Phoebe WAS great, in the first film. They ruined her. Not the LGBT stuff, which WAS unnecessary. They made her a BRAT. I won’t be buying a hard copy. Sad.
I beg to differ with you! That was a bait and switch with the girl vs ghost! They wanted you to THINK they were gonna have them together but they didn’t. I was ready for it IF they did. The movie was good and I’m ready for the next one.💕🐻
Yeah, they didn't have the girl kiss the ghost. She ain't gay. She is just an awkward girl who wanted someone she thought was cool to like her. This isn't 2010. You can't have an implied lesbian romance anymore to get diversity points. No kiss, no gay.
Saw it today. Thought it was great. Phoebe possibly being gay doesn't bother me at all. Gay people exist. Just because one happens to be in a picture doesn't necessarily make that picture "woke."
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You were the chosen one...
Beam up Tom.
@@hamdinger7145 LOL
I'll never play that game again when it launched I got well over $500 in refunds...no thank you the devs like sushi
Did anyone not notice that none of this ever appeared in the teaser trailers we were shown? Controversial or not they snuck it in. They tried to hide it. That speaks volumes.
Expect more of it.
They gave away sooooo much of the movie in those trailers but damn sure didn't even show an image of that.
@@OrthoLou Hell they showed so much of the movie in the trailers that WASN"T EVEN IN the movie!
That's precisely what I told my friends: if you want to go see this keep your expectations low. The trailer you saw is part of the third act and that's all. The main story isn't even hinted at.
They kept that melody girl a big secret .her role and plot was pointless imo. I did like the pinfield and nadeem characters
The Ghostbusters video game is more of the true Ghostbusters 3. If u haven't played it get it. Well worth it especially the original cast including Harold remis did the voices. The ending is so rewarding
"We are the ghostbusters, we eat gods for breakfast".
I started replaying it the other day on my Switch and it’s more fun than I remember
I agree. I played it when it first came out and couldn't stop until I finished it. My older brother would watch me play and comment on the game.
It was more than worth the time.
@@Invidente7 yes. What I was talking about.
The only issue I have with Ghostbusters the video game is Vankmen gets in a Flirty love interest with Shandors descendent When in the last movie he became interest in Dana again.
I learned from Ghostblusters 2016 not to buy a ticket to a movie until I've investigated it like a detective going through garbage cans.
And from Star wars TLJ, I've learned not to trust certain mainstream movie critics
Boy no kidding. Thank goodness for the high seas.
I´m not a "Trump-supporter" and #Ghostbuster2016 was the greatest #BrainDiarrhea in recent years!
@@satisfied656😂
If you’re spending that much time being a detective before a film then you probably just shouldn’t watch movies. They are supposed to be entertainment.
We need to stop calling movies like Ghosbusters 2016 remakes! They need to be called DEMAKES, which is what they are.
I read that in Andre's voice 😅
Unmake ? it is a real word...
Derivative?
you spelled sequels wrong.
It was a Reeee-make
Until Hollywood realizes not everyone is gay or pansexual or whatever the South Park meme will b relevant. I don't care. Saves me money and gives me a chuckle.
@gregweisal5542 You can act above this all you’d like
I mean people are crazy there’s nothing woke, nothing gay in this movie. Ghosts have no sex, people are so stupid or maybe crazy because how things are nowadays lol
Yep. I was already not paying to see this since left wing lunatic Patton Oswalt is in it, but if there's alphabet content, then that's just one more nail in the metaphorical coffin.
Lesbians are always the safe option.
Two men makes people uncomfortable, two women triggers the male instinct to build a harem.
@@LHollanspare us the insults and the “you’re not smart enough to understand” y’all jumped that shark with Rick and Morty. If you want to spend your money on crap fine but you will not lie that it isn’t crap.
Janine:"vagrants stripped the property of valuables back in the 90s"---- my favorite line from the movie.
If the place shut down, they moved out and the place was ravaged by vagrants, how did the ghost repository remain operational this whole time? If Winston calls the GB “the finger in the dam” keeping spirits out, that’s a fine thing to abandon 🤔🤷🏻♀️
@@peppermintpsaki1157 It was abandoned because of what Egon did (running off with all of the Ghostbusters gear, and basically putting them all out of business). All that aside, it is a teensy bit of a plot hole. But one could easily surmise that Winston bought the place, once he became a multi-millionaire, and closed up shop, to prevent any more stripping of copper. It's more than possible that the homeless people didn't even bother with the containment unit downstairs, or else didn't realize what was down there, and just left it alone.
The Hook and Ladder firehouse has the NYC fire department working there all day everyday so they were guarding the containment unit the whole time so there ya go.....
@@RatingsIntoCash I saw it more as a reference to Sony....
@@Chrismw81 NYC fire department have been very friendly to the Ghostbusters and continue to be since day one. Can't have one without the other
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Black girlfriend, check.
Weak male leads, check.
Single mom, check.
Androgynous teen character, who is gay, check.
Force in tired, overly used, unimaginative, jokes, check.
Member-berries, check.
Movie completely forgotten in a year.... check.
Main original characters, nerfed and play a back seat roll to new characters, check.
Add magical POC to the list.
@@a-atheistthat is what happens in a passing the torch film. as the video says, a lot of fans have been hyper-sensitized to every marker of woke that they can't enjoy even non-woke films anymore. I've even seen people complaining that Star Trek TNG episodes from 1987 were woke, which is ridiculous.
NONE of the male characters were allowed to have agency or competence.
The closest was Ernie Hudson, but that was only because he was set up as the benefactor in the previous film.
In a year? You're being VERY generous
For anyone who has seen the movie. You could very easily edit out the 'relationship' between the girl and the girl ghost. It serves no purpose, is cringe, awkward, and totally unnecessary to the plot. When this comes out online, i think I will be releasing an edited 'gay-busted' version on the bay just to f*ck with the dei obsessed wokies
It's the fire guy too
Please make sure to also skip Patton Oswald. Or at the very least the whole Possesor Chase in the library. What a waste of time.
So much time was wasted... Finn Wolfhart and slimer literally gave us nothing.
A RUclipsr Cody Leach offered up what they could have done within this framework - Leave out the fire guy and the Casper the LesbiGhost, lean in on Paul Rudd trying to be the new father figure and Phoebe being too young to be a Ghostbuster and split the movie into two groups - her, Podcast, and Ray looking into the demon and the main family team doing other stuff and maybe not taking that threat seriously enough, at first.
It served the purpose of being the catalyst to release the main baddie, and in the end Melody was the spark of hope, that will light the fire, that will burn The First Order…wait.
looking forward to that one. i will not be watching this one. was going to skip it but if you could remove this pointless DEI stuff, i will give it a try. maybe add "DEI Free" somewhere in the name.
Technically Ghostbusters 3 is Ghostbusters The Video Game
After the movie Afterlife came out, the game became non-canon
As soon as that girl ghost turned up I knew where it was going. Phoebe was a highlight of the first film but in the new one she's so sullen and moody. The charm and energy of her performance is gone. Hardly any ghosts or ghostbusting action in the new film either which was an odd choice.
I liked the movie, but this part was so unnecessary, wish we had more ghost busting, not teen romance
The worst part is that it added nothing to the story and took away screen time from characters who are much more interesting.
And like you said, they pretty much ruined Phoebe.
Same as always.
They put something out that makes money, and then follow it with message movie.
They are Lucy, and the public is Charlie Brown.
Regarding the ghostbusting, there was actually MORE OF THAT in this film, than in most of the others! Even the original GB only had like... THREE actual scenes involving the Ghostbusters doing stuff! Go back and watch. There's the "Slimer" bust in the hotel, there's the Dana subplot, involving her refrigerator, and then there's the final battle, on top of Central Park West's Condominium. That's it. This movie actually had the same amount of "ghostbusting" in it as the original did. So this feels like a hollow complaint, by people who are allowing their "fan standards" to override what they actually recall.
Except GB didn't put a chick in it and made it gay
I was going to see it with younger relatives, but their mother cancelled the outing.
She was not rescheduling them to see it. I hadn't paid enough attention to know there was an issue but some mothers are definitely on alert.
Well that's awesome to hear that there are parents out there who are actually paying attention and rejecting this shit.
have they seen the original ghostbusters where the professor played by Murray was manipulating a student into bed, and Aykroyd's character was getting pleasured by a ghost?
After seeing Godzilla Minus One and Dune Part 2...I don't want to settle again.
They had to make Phoebe lame and gay. She was too based in Afterlife for them.
She was my fav in Afterlife, sad…
They always destroy the fan favorite.
It's logical.
Attach all your messaging to the character that people relate to the most.
Same goes for franchise.
You have the audience.... insert message.
Because their ideas can't attract people, they need to insert themselves into established properties.
think... communism. It needs someone to take from, in order to survive, because it can't stand on it's own.
Been happening to Lisa since season 7
@@ZimCrusher Yes. Government is the same. It has to take because it produces nothing. Ideally, you have as little communism and government as possible on the federal level.
The closer to home, the more communist you probably should be. Give more to your local food bank, homeless shelters, and hospitals, without help from the federals. More people would be helped, dollar for dollar, if it were all local, and the managers were directly accountable to their neighbors, instead of just spinning BS from 2,000 miles away in an ivory tower.
I mean people are crazy there’s nothing woke, nothing gay in this movie. Ghosts have no sex, people are so stupid or maybe crazy because how things are nowadays lol
Subtextual teen lesbian angst in a family movie...only in the woke Bizarro world we are seeing recently
haha, family movies in 2024. That and the cost of films for a family makes me wonder why people are lamenting the death of cinema
There is nothing wrong with having lesbians in a family movie.@@NFStamper
@@tomh1593 ok groomer
@tomh1593 yes, there is.
@@tomh1593except when its directed at kids and children then its a problem so yes there is a problem with it actually
The girl ghost completely derailed the movie. As well with the fire guy
I feel the same way.
I liked the fire 🔥 guy, but the girl ghost wasn’t needed at all
Amateur fire bender reject from M. Night Shamalan was ok. I think they need the obligatory normie to be introduced into the paranormal, like Dana Barrett. Patton Oswalt was not needed at all; they could have used the Main Librarian from the first movie to help Ray in the Library
Like his sliding down the fire pole during one of the few tense scenes
the fire guy was the same lame-o from Eternals
They tried to code and bait with plausible deniability by not taking it all the way. Very sneaky.
Either that or make the scene you can cut out for China. Baby steps, I guess. 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
The two girls almost kissed at the end...
They can’t take it the whole way if they want to release the movie globally.
Yes that's exactly what the writers were doing here, i learned this term from Leslie Headland talking recently about her upcoming the acolyte series - "Queer-Coded".
This is the one film I wanted see this year. Unfortunately, I'll have to find something else to take my Grandchildren to see. Hollywood can't seem to get a clue.
He's overplaying it, it's really not that bad, the plot was clearly cut as an attempt to remove it from the film. People are jumping at ghosts, nothing more.
@@Hyperguyver2Amen.
No, don't listen to them. It is very obvious, even if nothing outright physical happens. Any sort of pushing this onto kids is unacceptable.
@@OrthoLouagreed! Keep your kids away. Is this rating pg13 at least?
@@Hyperguyver2 I hadn't heard anything about the movie before hand, no spoilers, reviews, but when I saw the movie I picked up right away on the lesbian subtext. Yes nothing physical happened but they made the whole movie about Phoebe. It was her story. And she "befriend" a female ghost and wanted to be with her to experience her ghost life or whatever. C'mon now, don't be naive
I'm one of those who is extra-sensitive to alphabet coding, primarily because I grew up with it in my family. When you're gaslit by all the adults in the room from a young age, the slightest whiff of it sours everything.
....in what ways did they gaslight you? 😮
It's great that you persevered through their attempted indoctrination. You could be used as an example as to why the whole adoption thing was a bad idea...
@@OrthoLou - it’s the whine of “I’m so Special” because L-B-G-…alphabet soup. But No. You’re Not.
Very interesting you point that out and i'm sorry this happened to you. This is the thing i don't think the LGBTQ+ Community fully understand or realize will most likely happen; over time, the more they and Hollyweird keep forcing this stuff into every movie, pushing it in front of youngsters faces, thinking they're gonna "Socially Engineer" the young minds to be conditioned to this woke agenda; the more they will just eventually cause most these young minds to massively reject ALL of it as they get *Older* into "Adulthood" and start to find themselves.
They tried to have their cake and eat it too, and succeeded? The whole thing with Phoebe and Melody was hella weird, but I’m glad they didn’t confirm anything romantic, it was more like a platonic friendship, it’s like they were trying to pander to the woke crowd while also trying not to upset conservatives.
Exactly. I think, if anything, it is a snub to LGBT nutcases.
But it was so obvious. But also unnecessary. They didn't comit either way and it comes off as pointless and stupid
Just having a notion of that or even an inkling of that in this movie with the granddaughter of Egon Spangler, what the hell were they thinking well pandering does not work. Hollywood all you ever learn and it makes me not want to watch this movie or even try to see it when it hits streaming.
@@jayone8891yeah, the woke crowd refers to it as “queerbaiting” and they aren’t too fond of it either
It went beyond a platonic friendship when she availed herself to become a ghost “to be with” her.
If it was strictly platonic friendship, there’s no impetus or reason to do anything but remain as is. The googly eyes she made towards Melody at the end was another thing. It seemed like friendship from Melody, until she realized Phoebe likes her, now she’s got an angle to work. It didn’t seem all that reciprocal.
L = gay G = gay B = gay T = gay Q = gay I = gay
The joke is they are now proving southpark was 100% on the mark.
More like
Lame
Gay
Boring
Tired
Quality control issues
Insufficient returns on investment from the box office
You forgot Ally = gay 😂😂
Lettuce
Gay
Bacon
Tomatoe
@@rustyshackleford234 you sir are a scholar 😂😂
South Park was picking on you, not them.
You don't tearfully ask "was any of it real?" to someone who was just a listening friend. Nor risk death to be "together" for 2 minutes.
You do if you thought the friendship was authentic and then find out they were just manipulating you for their own ends
@@AllanTidgwell 🙄
That would elicit more of a "You backstabbing piece of-" response.
Why is this so hard for you to see..?
@@AllanTidgwell The girl ghost and what she does in this movie ironically, kinda felt alot like a older LGBTQ teenager, trying to bait and manipulate a younger, naive straight teen, into "coming over".
I liked Phoebe in Afterlife but they messed her character up for Frozen Empire. Still this movie is better than 2016.
But its pointless and further proves the Ghostbusters franchise really wasn't meant as a series.
The first movie was golden but even Ghostbusters 2 (with the original crew still in their primes) wasn't nearly as good.
I liked Ghostbusters II. Yeah not as good as the first but still good. Of course I actually seen it before the first one since I was actually alive when it came out. I remember I had holographic movie poster that was included on the back of a Ghostbusters cereal box. Good shit!
for some stupid reason they refuse to go the RBG route and tell new stories w new threats choosing instead to constantly rethread old ground.
@@garou12 This was a new threat. Retread would have been reusing "Vigo, the Carpathian," like they did with Gozer in "Afterlife." And I would have actually liked that a lot less than what we got.
@@jacob4920 re thread is phoebe feeling alone and isolated. trevor feeling lost and looking for a purpose. o wait. they did do that AGAIN
@@garou12 Both subplots were perfectly aligned with each character. Didn't bother me one bit. Each situation was simply a different take on each character's pre-established weaknesses. Not like any sequel ever made has ever done the same exact thing before.
remember, when you give them an inch, they will take a mile.
everyone who's saying it's okay, who cares, and so on seems to have forgotten that you're in this situation because you gave an inch years ago.
Agreed...now we are all suffering with this insanity
I'm so tired of the crap that I'm never going to the movies again.
@creneemugo94 Godzilla was good...no propaganda in it whatsoever...just a crazy movie.
Oh yeah, the horror! Guys gay people have watched movies with all straight story lines for as long as movies have existed. Do you think they had to put it in the trailer that a straight romance was going to pop up? Just leave it alone, there were little queer subtexts in the movie that could have been taken as friendship or flirting. If the mere hint that something could be queer upsets people in 2024 then maybe you should think about all the straight romances that have been thrown at us over the years. You don't see queer people complaining that there was a hint of a straight romance do you? If you don't like the movie that's fine but you don't need to be homophobic about it. If this is what you call giving an inch and "they will take a mile" then I am sad. It took years for lgbtq relationships to even be portrayed in a good light in almost any film! Now when we get a few you as a member of the general public can't even let there be something in the movie that makes us feel good or that we would find nice or cute? God bless you my friend and hopefully he blesses you to be less judgmental. Its fine not to like the movie. It's not fine to be mad there could have been a gay relationship.
@@NotWhatIamMadeFor
that's the problem with you, western dumbos, you push your ideology to the world. i'll agree with you when you portray wahhabi ideology in what they "find nice or cute" in your entertainment.
isn't the excuse you always used, it's not for you, you don't have to watch it? then we're not watching. not even when they're censored.
and you dare call us homophobic? you who insinuated queer people are silent heterophobic? there are already decades of yuri and yaoi genre, and people don't complain about them, you know why? because they don't force it. and they make it very well that everyone can enjoy it. when they made "were the world mine", i thought at last hollywood learned how to make a good yaoi story. but look at you now, forced inclusion, forced diversity, forced equality, but halfassed quality. that's the horror!
Phoebe straight away becomes lovestruck and goofy when dollar-tree Jenna Ortega's ghost shows up.
I would say more intelligently and socially curious.
@@jonwwillis lol...they tried to hide the concept with computers and gadgets, but she straight up deleted herself to be with another ghost...boo!
@@daveleevicks8749 she ran a risk. She thought correctly that she would be returned to her body in 2 mins...
@@daveleevicks8749 The only way I'd do that is if it were marilyn Monroe's ghost...I know I wouldn't be stepping into no machine for some ghost dude.
@@jonwwillis lol...exactly "ran a risk" for what comedian Sinbad calls "Ghost Booty."
Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything teeheehee
I had planned on taking my seven year old son to see it. Thanks for the heads up. We won't be going.
Good job, dad! 👍
You decide what your children see, not Hollywood agenda!
Too bad. He’d probably love it! Fun movie!
@captainpatspopculturesteam2300 he'll have more fun spending time with his dad fishing, camping, or hunting. And not have skittles shoved down his throat.
Sad that today we cannot have two people of the same sex having a close friendship without it being turned into a gay thing.
And it isn't the woke mob that did it to this film either. I'm so disappointed in The Fellowship with this horrible take and the only one who saw this part of the movie and didn't do so was Tom.
You can. You just dont write it as being gay. Like it obviously was in this film.
@@gokaury Because it was obvious and you just want to love the Ghostbusters movie.
It's okay, I was in denial aboit TLJ when I first saw it. Sure, Holdo having purple hair and talking down to Oscar Isaac didn't actually mean anything....
To this day they still try their damn best to warp the camaraderie between Frodo and Sam in LOTR into a gay thing
lol Well, that's what you get for heavily pushing all this woke stuff onto your audience over like the past 10 frickin years; when you keep shoving a thing into someone's face eventually they're gonna reject it big time, and guard against anything remotely whiffing of that. That whole friendship between them could have been handled alot better, with better writing that doesn't come across as "Queer-Coded".
I really don’t remember anyone being down on Afterlife before it came out. Honestly, I remember people being very excited about it.
They made it very clear Phoebe was going gay for ghost girl. Very cringe. Can we just not turn everything gay and focus on Ghostbusting?!?
I was overall happy with the movie, but we don’t need anymore Twilight: Ghostbusters Edition.
Queer-Coded that's what her character was written as in this movie.
I dunno…sounds like the same thing to me.
@@randomfeller It is absolutely the same thing, i just use their terms because i heard Leslie Headland, showrunner of the upcoming acolyte series specifically say - "Queer-Coded" when talking about her show. I prefer to say queer coded when calling them out because that way you give these people nothing to twist back on you and start calling you homophobic, toxic etc.
Also "Queer-Coded" just sounds like very woke and PC, when you tell them what they're doing here making a teenage character - "Queer-Coded", it sounds very calculating on their part, like trying to *condition* and use like small signs and things to make that character read as Gay/Queer.
Last movie I watched in a cinema was Godzilla-1. I see no reason to change that in the near future.
I found it boring for the most part. I liked seeing the OG characters but it was just ok.
That sounds like most movies coming out nowadays
It was BORING AS F. Because they meandered on characters that NOBODY CARES ABOUT. With plots that didnt need to be there, and annoying characters that people hate. How do you not give a ton of screentime to bill when hes was basically a focal point in the first 2? He kinda made the first two movies. Also, how do you have the original ghostbusters be basically useless and most of the screen-time is for the secondary characters. Nobody cares about them. The best thing about the movie was the end monster. But he was in it for what, 5 minutes. Yey?
yes it was sooo boring. I kept checking the time on my phone for the first hour because nothing happened. It wasn't until the last act that every one teamed up to fight the main ghost
The villain was a video game boss.
It wasn't boring for me because I watched it in 4dx that helped a lot
I saw it last night, and found it very enjoyable. It was a fitting follow up to Afterlife and furthered the story. The film depicted a friendship, such as it is, between a young girl who is socially awkward and emotionally vulnerable and a ghost, who is also a teenage girl feeling alone and abandoned after the loss of her family. Unfortunately, we've been so bludgeoned with identity politics in entertainment in recent years... That two female characters can't just be friends.
We've gotta go back to that time. Sexually is not at the forefront of this film. And that's okay. It shouldn't be. Go see it, and have a good time
I agree. Even if they were hinting Phoebe is homosexual, at least that's not her entire character. They didn't beat the bad guy with the strength of their gayness or anything. Can virtually guarantee that's what it would've been had this been a Disney production.
We've been passively conditioned to see the woke in every single thing nowadays. It's a shame. I thought most people in the Fellowship would be better than that.
Pushing it onto kids even remotely is unacceptable. Do NOT go see it, especially with your kids.
"Unfortunately, we've been so bludgeoned with identity politics in entertainment in recent years... That two female characters can't just be friends." Youre insane.
Evidently they have to climax together 6 times for you to think theyre more than friends. 5 times? Youre not convinced.
Its so evidently gay, you'd have to be naive and blind to not think so. There are PLEANTY of films out there even to this day where people are friends and why is it people dont think "oh theyre gay" . No they dont. You know WHY!? Because this film these 2 people ARE depicted as such, and in those movies, they are not.
Logan Kim is back as Phoebe’s BEST Friend. Where was the googly eyes for HIM? Celeste O’Connor is back as Phoebe’s brother’s love interest. She was friends with her too. Why is it that nobody says they were also banging? OH. Right. Because she was "closer" to the ghost girl. WHOM SHE JUST MET. Shes known both of the others FOR YEARS. But evidently those friends are trash and shes "so lonely" They might as well not exist? Please. GTFO.
No. I won't go see it to a "have a good time" while grooming my kids. What an awful thing to do them, to have a few laughs. You sell out.
This is why the west is losing a generation of kids to this sin and nonsense.
"Oh but it's just a good time". Pathetic. Woke hollywood worms into our kids
minds in every way possible, and people like you empower them to do so.
Nah, I won't sell out my kids and this generation to these devils.
I'll watch it, but I expect that Sony don't move foward with this plotline or I'll bail out the next one. I have no intention on supporting any more films with forced DEI.
Don't even watch it. There's just so many characters that they jump from in under 2 hours that nothing feels truly fleshed out, and it all feels empty.
Casper the LesbiGhost is just the most egregious example. You would be supporting DEI seeing THIS one. I wish I hadn't, but they hid it in the marketing.
The plot line ended with this film. The only part left to carry on is the new lab which of course is supposed to carry on. Garaka is defeated. Melody crossed over. Yes, Kumal and Patton are still alive and so could return, but there's no reason for Kumal to return since his power was to fend off Garaka, and Patton could return but he was so insignificant they might as well go to another source for the next movie. That would keep expanding the universe too
Just sail the high seas on it, that way you're checking it out of curiosity but not paying them a actual dime supporting it with your wallet. They'll never learn as long as people out there keep saying - "i'll check this one out this time, but..."
@@RaikenXion 🔥🕹
Jar-Jar Girl Ghost and the Firemaster sliding down the pole pushed this over the cliff. This had all the materials to be a layup and they decided to Last Jedi this franchise. What a shame...
It bothered me that even though we see her cutting out a part of the pole, it seems to be completely intact every time it shows up for the rest of the show.
It's a firehouse. In there are two poles on the first floor, not to mention the poles from the third floor, which go to the second @donkeysaurusrex7881
@@donkeysaurusrex7881Do they not have two fire poles?
Ghostbusters afterlife was a great movie. I dont know why they would reverse it now
Bait and switch...
Plus, the original director's son didn't do this one and DEI is a thing now.
Bait and Switch... give you something great so you will get sucked into their demonic DEI Blackrock/Vanguard world...
@@OrthoLouJason co wrote both movies.. Didn't direct this one but I being to wonder something between those two sometimes.. BTW, it says that Iven did co write this one too? From the grave?????? ;0)
I liked it enough. It was fun. It had some small problems, but over all, it worked. The dad becoming a dad, a daughter trying to find her place, a son becoming a man, and a mom along for the ride. With a nice bit of nostalgia, and total respect for the original characters, without running their 80+ bodies in to the ground. Good vid
I saw it yesterday with my wife. I agree that “liked it enough” is a good verdict. While having the OG characters in “Afterlife” was understandable, I felt they were rather unnecessary in this one. I think Trevor and Podcast were criminally underused and to have Podcast obstructed from energising a trap by the Staypuffed creatures EXACTLY the same way and for the same reason as in “Afterlife” was stupid. I do not understand why critics say there were too many sub-plots, but there were too many characters in the climax. Kumail Nanjiani was not nearly as bad as some critics said. As regards Phoebe’s lesbian thing, why does Hollywood always think intelligent women are gay. I was pleased to saw James Acaster.
I may see it as a vid, after cable.
I saw it the other day, the theater was packed. I noticed the slightly gayish scenes but I'm glad they didn't go full gay with it.
I am planning to see it, because Afterlife was genuinely a love letter to both fans and the franchise. I however I am tired of everything revolving around one's gender, not to mentio stupid to add to favor an industry that no matter how much you vietue signal, it will never be enough.
Pabdering to Hollywood and their "modern audience" is beyond stupid, because you will never please them, and will only sour fans taste and trust... Its a no win wcenario.
I loved the Afterlife, too.... Skip this one so it isn't diminished for you. They ruined Phoebe and honestly kinda changed the lore of ghosts in this movie.
The obvious answer is to keep Agenda out of films... Until that happens (Again!) Hollywood don't get my money!
DEi=Destroy Entertainment Immediately
If an anti-woke movie company was ever to set up… and focused on producing pop culture films catering to old guard fan service, it would absolutely clean house!
I didn't see Afterlife because of 2016. An IP gets no mercy from me. Fuck it up once with gay shit and I drop it forever.
Afterlife was written and directed by Jason Reitman, the son of Ivan Reitman. 2016 was written and directed by Paul Feig. Afterlife actually backhands 2016 by having a line in it "there hasn't been a ghost sighting in thirty years."
Afterlife is also respectful of the original characters.
It's not like Star Wars where the people in control care more about DIE than story
@NinjaFlibble afterlife wasn't a good movie. People were just starving for a non woke GB.
@@NinjaFlibbleFurther proof the game is the true GB3.
So tired of propaganda...its infuriating
Afterlife is good, way better than the 2016 and of course the frozen empire 😂
The main antagonist should have been played by an actual man, instead of a CGI monster. I'd've made Garraka be played by Jeremy Irons with the aesthetics and some minor CG. I would've dropped Melody and the Fire Master nonsense. I would have turned this into a Versus battle between Garraka and Gozer with Ray stating there's only one ghost they know of that couldn't be controlled by him. And I wouldn't have the main villain be defeated in front of a doorway of a former fire station for Christ's sake...setting is everything, so I don't know what the hell that was.
*Garraka tries to posses Gozer*
*Doesn't work*
Garraka: "Are you a god?"
Gozer: "Yes"
Garraka: "Then you will bow before this one!"
*Fight ensues*
The main antagonist was Melody
When the fans have more interesting ideas than the people making the film its never a good sign...
I was sitting in the theater thinking "man if they kiss I'm getting up and walking out." I got to see to the end but am done with Hollyweird.
the constant sex jokes is what gets me, trailer had them and they kept tossing them around in the movie as if the characters using them arnt leading a bunch a kids around and its soo weird. Hollywood is a bunch of porn addicts
It did not even remotely hint this about her in the previous film. If anything, it seemed like her and Podcast would be a thing, but now, of course, the BOY is a "third wheel."
I'm so sick of this shit being pushed onto kids.
Also, the experiment that pretty much temporarily killed her for 2 minutes was a huge innovation within that universe and just came outta nowhere; never even a single line of dialogue about trying to make such a thing.
I didn’t even remotely hint this about THIS film. So…there’s that I guess.
@@captainpatspopculturesteam2300 Do you mean you didn't even remotely get a hint of it in this film?
There are only two Ghostbusters movies.
Actually 3rd and that's it
Afterlife 😔🤓🔬⚰️📚
It wasn't funny, it wasn't clever, it wasn't interesting. It was just an excuse to spend money on something.
Wow they had a Rogue One moment In Afterlife, now they wanna pull a Last Jedi with Frozen Empire.
It had to happen. It was expected.
so I saw this movie and I dont remember a girl love interest it made me think they were just friends that had a connection like huck fin, but I did enjoy it, I did feel some of the family didn't have enough screen time, and more slimmer
In the trailer when they said humankind it was a red flag
THAT’S a red flag for you? Pathetic.
The pawns go first, I no longer try to be the first to buy movie tickets (along with video games, music, tv shows, etc) because I no longer trust Hollywood/entertainment. “The message” of indoctrination is more important than anything being good. I wait and review a variety of opinions of those who’s seen movies first, I’m done with wasting my time and money on messaging garbage.
When seeing the two female characters, I thought that there are going to be some who will ship them, because apparently two girls cannot be friends without a romantic relationship. I just saw two teenage girls who a moment of need had no one else to talk to but each other and needed a friend.
This right here, I also thought Phoebe found someone who was a subject of her interest, that is ghost or paranormal stuff, and just wanted to know what was life like on the other side. Not oh my gosh, your a ghost and a girl. I'm fallen head over heels for you.
I concur. I didn't get any of that either. One - she's an underage teenager. Two - its a ghost. I think it says more about our deplorable society that some are expecting blooming for such perversions.
@comet5915 Then it went over your heads.
Casper the LesbiGhost called Podcast, a boy who it seemed she may have had a thing with eventually, a "third-wheel."
What on Earth would one of them not being a ghost keep them "separated from each other" to do..?
The "boo" line that reoccurred was clearly flirtatious.
I do agree that it's an awful trend that people of the same sex can't be loving towards each other without Hollywood making it sexual. That's toxic for quite a few different reasons.
The "boo" was not flirtatious. The ghost said Boo and the live girl's first word as a temporary ghost was to say boo. You are seeing what you want to see, so you can complain about it. @@OrthoLou
People are crazy saying that is a gay thing, they are just friends
I really enjoyed the film! The pacing wasn't as good as Afterlife in some scenes, but it was fun what they did bringing the firehouse back and expanding upon the Ghostbusters' business. James Acaster's scenes were great and I wish they used him more in this film. This felt like an extended episode of the cartoon series.
As a fan of the originals I was really looking forward to be able to take my kids to see this in the theater. There haven’t been a lot of movies that have come out that we can enjoy together but after hearing reviews I think I’ll pass. I’m done with hidden or not so secret agendas.
Good for you, you're a good mom. =)
This is all bs. None of that is there. The movie is great and fun and exciting for the whole family. Don’t let these haters ruin everything.
There's a video game that is basically the true 3rd movie story.
If two people are friendly, why must they be instant “gay” by Hollywierd standards?
I only see phoebe with the asian guy 😂
They only made her gay or queer because of her looks and styles but it doesn't matter
Sexuality is sexuality
Also, Paul Rudd is supposed to be the star of this movie yet fire master Stuber completely steals his heroic story arc. Rudd does absolutely nothing in this film.
He's not supposed to be the star, McKenna Grace is.
@@billybarnett9518 and they made her gay
Why?
@@456loveluck They didn't.
As a Ghostbusters fan and a movie lover in general, I am so exhausted by the whole forcing gay stuff into movies. I will actively avoid watching a film if I know that it's put in there at this point. When I see that stuff in a movie trailer or hear about it, that signals to me that the movie doesn't trust that it's of high enough quality to Warrant my attention or me spending money to watch it, so I just pass on it all together. This one will be no different
I'll pass. The first two Ghostbusters movies (the first one, especially) were adult comedies. In fact, I would argue that the excellent writing and delivery of its comedy is what made Ghostbusters a hit and a classic, not the story nor the concept. Even the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot understood this (it failed in all aspects of execution, of course, but still). As such, this pivot to a more standard PG "family-friendly" adventure just doesn't do it for me. The heart of what made Ghostbusters great is gone and replaced by something that doesn't feel Ghostbusters to me.
I disagree. The comedy of Ghostbusters 1984 went way over my young head and the rest of kids' heads at the time. As an adult I picked up on it and realised it was actually a comedy all along, but as a child that's not what made me want to watch it over and over and over again and buy all the toys.
Firstly, I had no idea that this movie was coming until a few weeks before it arrived; wasn't hungry for a new Ghostbusters, but hoped it would be good. After learning that they have implanted child GROOMING into the film (even subtly), I would have to give it a HARD PASS. GROOMING IS STILL GROOMING, and is reprehensible. EDIT: I think the studio should just stop now. No more films going forward.
The issue is that if grooming is being used by the villain then wouldn't that make the villain... villainous?
If we don't let the villains do bad things then in what way are they villains?
@@AllanTidgwell that's not where the grooming is... Phoebe already had this... disposition, within the film, and so did the ghost, so that's why she was able to manipulate her.
The grooming is from the filmmakers for the kids watching.
Grooming? You realize that in the 1984 original, Professor Venkman was manipulating a female student into bed in his first scene. And he was supposedly one of the good guys, not a villain.
Hollywood can't imagine a capable female character not being gay.
I saw the movie with my wife. We're both REALLY , REALLY good at picking up on that kind of messaging in the movie that you're suggesting was there: it wasn't there. Niether of us liked the ghost girl in the movie and found her pointless, but there was no alphabet messaging or hinting at it in the film. That character was pointless and represented a pointless plot side step to something about how awful it is to be a teenager without friends, but that doesn't make it alphabet messaging.
Maybe Francis has finally desensitized you....
It was pretty obvious and I did not go in expecting anything like that.
-How giddy Phoebe becomes when they first meet.
-Her calling Podcast a "third wheel."
-What on Earth would friends be "separated" from doing if one of them is a ghost..?
-The flirtatiously saying "Boo!" back to her when Phoebe turns into a ghost. The way they gaze at each other as they're standing so close; I was ready to walk out because I thought they were going to kiss.
-"Was any of it even real? 🥺" Is that what you ask a friend when they betray you?
-In the end when they touched on the monistic "my energy dissolves back into the universe" she said "we'll be together."
The music alone implied romance.
Desensitized much
I plan to see this. I loved Ghostbusters Afterlife. I think i will enjoy this one.
Its a good time, but its not as good as Afterlife tbh
I think you will as well given that statement, but less so by a bit of a margin.
I enjoyed both, so go in and try to block out the noise online. See how you get on.
Your a sad case.
I went to see it over the weekend and took my mom and kids. I regret going. when a certain scene popped up, we just got up and left. It was kind of lame anyway but I’m so exhausted of anything of a virtue signaling nature that it just makes me sick at this point.
I almost got up and left... When Phoebe essentially temporarily killed herself I thought they were about to kiss and was seconds away from getting up.
Gotta say... every ad I've seen for this movie has been seriously underwhelming. Like they just have the original actors standing around, somebody quips, a mini Stay Puffed guy does something... good grief, I'm bored just writing this.
This franchise is over. Enjoy the originals.
Probably hard to write for actors that are like 70 years old and are divas and get tired just going up the stairs 😂 what can you really make them do? It's tough to write for them I assume. They also went too young with the other cast and Paul rudd just feels well casted but he really doesn't get enough to do. If he had a cast his age he can deliver the goods as a main character
@@albaestrada8603 It wasnt hard for writers to do that to indiana jones. Im not saying it was good, but at least he had more screentime than any of the original ghostbusters in this movie.
I saw it...and honestly...Antman 3 is better.
I remember hearing the new writers brought on board having an ‘interesting’ choice of techniques. Decided to step back and now see suspicions were likely correct
Sorry, I just saw that today, it's a 15-year-old girl finding a friend after she feels like she lost her family and her purpose. There isn't anything romantic there; now, when it took that route, I was afraid it would be that end there but nope.
Why was Podcast not already a good friend..? For what reason did she feel this loneliness?
Do friends say things like "Was any of it real? 🥺" when they get betrayed or stabbed in the back?
@@OrthoLouIf you're a major introvert on the spectrum with very few friends to begin with, and you're feeling distant from your family because you're "too young", and you can't get how your family is trying to avoid causing any issues that would uproot you all AGAIN...then yes, it does make sense without lesbian undertones.
People are right to have heightened awareness for woke, but people also need to avoid knee-jerk reactions like what you're showcasing. There's times where you need to take a step back and evaluate your own perspective before you cast judgment. This is one of those times. Don't be like the damn progressive authoritarian activists.
@CloakofAuron Dude... Just stop coping lol.
The problem with Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire - aside from it not being FUNNY enough - was that none of the character arcs were adequately developed or connected. The only character that had a complete and satisfying arc was the Ghost Girl. I got the impression that there were more scenes and most of the character development was left on the cutting room floor. I wonder if Frozen Empire would benefit from a Director’s Cut that was 20-30 minutes longer. But that wouldn’t solve the lack-of-humour!
Frozen Empire had potential and I sincerely wanted it to be a worthy sequel to Afterlife, which I loved. However, the movie was overburdened by too many characters - old and new - the Firehouse’s containment unit getting full and Winston’s secret Ghostbuster Lab being mostly irrelevant, and only scratching the surface of the “ethical dilemma” of imprisoning ghosts forever instead of trying to rehabilitiate them by helping them fulfill their ghostly purpose so they can transcend like Egon’s Ghost did in Afterlife.
The biggest plot hole was the “ghost spy honeytrap” scheme came from nowhere, because Phoebe never interacted with the Brass Orb; it went from the hustler guy to Ray and Podcast to Winston’s lab techs. If the Ghostbusters “Family Four” had been in proximity to the Brass Orb when they had their family drama and Phoebe was sidelined, it would’ve been plausible the big bad concocted that scheme.
The movie would’ve been better if it focused on the Family Four ghostbusting together, providing more screentime to explore Gary’s would-be-stepdad relationship to Phoebe and Trevor, and demonstrating that Callie was a legit Ghostbuster (after Phoebe’s dig that she should be answering the phone instead) and not just the Buzzkill Mom. If the Family Four had remained together for the first half of the movie, they could’ve encountered the Brass Orb and then Phoebe could’ve been sidelined by the mayor’s interference, which would’ve left her susceptible to the ghost honeytrap. Phoebe could’ve focused on that plotline, provoking her to seek out Ray’s guidance and calling in Podcast and Lucky for backup, forming the Junior Ghostbusters!
The two teams could’ve investigated the big bad ghost threat from two directions, converged in the 3rd Act, and everyone reunited for the climactic battle at the end.
Frozen Empire was disappointing on par with Ghostbusters 2, but far from the disaster of 2016. I doubt it will exceed Afterlife’s box office performance, but I do hope another sequel is made, preferably directed by Jason Reitman and focused more on the comedy rather than big budget CGI effects.
The ghostbusters died with Egon !
They couldn't just keep Phoebe the quirky nerd we like in Afterlife. I saw it last Friday night and felt the gay undertones from the first enounter she had with Melody. I stuck with the rest of the movie, but would have left if there was a ghost kiss. That would have been my reason to leave.
It's kind of ironic. In the past, having a gay/lesbian character would be seen as no big deal. Now because of the message, people actively avoid movies with such messaging. The message is making people homophobic.
Cos they’re pushing it in everyone all the dam time. They didn’t before! That’s why no one has the problem before! Past 7 years they been so eager and much pushing this bullcrap!
I honestly don't believe the majority is homophobic, which as a word has really lost its meaning like racism in how its been abused and overused by The Left. People are just sick of it being forced on them. When Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door, you have the option to slam it in their face. You tell some Useful Idiot you're not interested in the woke mind virus and they go out of their way to try and destroy you.
No it's not. Nobody is afraid of gay people in movies. It is actually seen as a warning that you will possibly see woke propaganda.
Greetings Midnight's Edge.
Regarding this video. While I have yet to see the actual movie I have read the plot synopsis of Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, with emphasis on Phoebe and what you have mentioned here in your video. As such I have reached the conclusion that some people are misjudging Phoebe's presentation in the film as a result of all the agenda based shenanigans running rampant in Hollywood at this time.
According to the storyline, as a means to get Peck off of their back, Phoebe is suspended from the team. Which naturally comes as quite a blow to Phoebe.
Now despite being Egon Spengler's granddaughter, as well as sharing much of his traits, Phoebe is still a teenage girl. One who is now feeling rejected with no one to relate to. Enter Melody, who despite being a ghost, is relatable to Phoebe as another girl of similar age and is in an emotionally similar situation, but has an ulterior motive for her actions.
This is nothing new. This scenario has been played out time and time again in movies and in television series for years. One example off the top of my head would be the characters of Webby and Lena from The DuckTales 2017 reboot. Curiously enough, their story is being reflected seven years later in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire with Phoebe and Melody respectively
As I stated, this scenario is not new However what is new is the reaction to this type of scenario. Reactions that are a result of all of the progressive tampering currently running rampant through Hollywood. So much that now when anyone sees this type of scenario the first thing that comes to mind is some LGB connotation.
Now as a Gen-Xer, I am more than aware of what has been occurring within current day media regarding such things pertaining to “The Message” as The Critical Drinker coins it in comparison to all media that has come before this issue. While there are movies and television series that are pushing “The Message”, not every one of them are doing so.
I believe that Phoebe and Melody from Ghostbusters Frozen Empire are not LGB virtually signaling anyone. At the very least Phoebe is a tomboy. To believe that all tomboys are either bisexual or gay is a stereotype and a wrong one in that. Unless the script officially declares that the character is either bi or gay she is not.
I have no doubt that there are people out there who do what's known as shipping and have probably hijacked Phoebe and Melody for either of the two based on their own personal interest and need for recognition. This has happened before many times. It is up to us the fans to look at individual performances and characters objectively without jumping to conclusions that could be detrimental to the performance run of the franchise. As well as giving haters any unnecessary ammunition to use for their own ends.
I took away more of a friend vibe between Phoebe and Melody two people who needed to connect with someone. That doesn't automatically make the connection romantic. I thought there was a lot of good in the movie but they needed to either make the movie ten minutes longer to better develop the various story lines or drop one story line to further develop the remaining ones.
Phoebe had the same reaction to Podcast when he asked her to be his lab partner in Afterlife. She's socially awkward like her Grandfather.
"Who's the third wheel?" asks the lesbian ghost, whom she just met, about her male friend she's known for a few years now.
"We're separated by space and time."
"One day we'll be together in the universe" or whatever monistic nonsense.
That "Boo!" was clearly flirtatious, when Phoebe said it back to her after risking her life so they could be not be "separated."
Come on, guys. It's Hollywood. It's obvious by now.
@OrthoLou Melody is literally manipulating Phoebe. The reason she denigrated podcast is because isolation is a tool of manipulation. Him being there means a third party could catch on to what she's doing and then call her on it breaking the manipulation.
Podcast was a threat. That's why she said it
Also a subtle note. When her, Podcast and Ray are in the Ecto-C she's in the sidecar, making her the 3rd wheel
@@OrthoLou “Who’s the third wheel?” asks the equally socially awkward girl, who hasn’t interacted with other people since her death and feels like a bit like a freak about to be displayed because of it.
“We’re separated by space and time…” could have just as easily been a completely platonic observation of their different metaphysical states.
That “Boo!” Could have been a joke.
Could all these interactions been romantic? Sure. In this day and age they can twist anything, but is it explicit? No, and the simplest answer is usually the correct one. My point is the presentation is subjective and I suspect intentionally so.
@@AllanTidgwell Good observation on her manipulation. I found the “Does it have to be her?” A regret at having to betray the only friend she’s made in a long time.
Saw it opening day & it was like watching paint dry.
Tedious & I wondered why they stuck the gay crap in there when it didn't advance the story at all.
Not sure if I wish I could get back the hours of my life that were wasted or the money I flushed down the loo (watched this mess in IMAX) more.
Everything interesting is in the trailer.
"Ghostbusters wasn't meant to be franchise!" .....I look at The Real Ghostbusters, Extreme Ghostbusters, the IDW comics, and The Video Game. There seems to be people all over map in terms of reviews. I'm going to wait and see it next week. Ghostbusters has been one of my favorite series/modern mythologies (refuse to use franchise as it is used by corporate goons) for most my life. I waited for year for a Ghostbusters 3. After the hell that was 2016, we finally got one. I understand that there are some that Ghostbusters is just that one movie they enjoyed in the 80's. To me it means so much more between the animated series, comics and other material. This is a case where I will judge it for myself because I'm having a hard time reading the room.
Bill shows up for maybe 5 minutes. Egon is not in it. At all. So there goes half your ghostbusters. They take a back seat to the new cast and most of the movie is not those 2 people. It has a ton of scenes that dont need to be in it. If you take out the woke gay scene its STILL boring and poorly paced. If you dont mind that, youll love it.
This movie is an absolute MESS! Whoever was involved in this movie should be absolutely ASHAMED of themselves for this dumpster fire!
wait.. what gay relationship is in GB FE? Are you talking about Phoebe and the ghost she became friends with? I dont think they were saying it was a romantic relationship at all.. I think it was a friendship .. I think youre hyping that part of the movie a tad.
It feels like a ink blot test. The viewer projects what they want to see upon the relationship.
@@killerbee2562something that has been passively programmed into society's mind by the woke mob. Every time someone falls in that trap, the woke mob wins.
Yeah, people are reading too much into that. Don't get me wrong I am the first to call that BS out because it is used so much today with no real substance behind it or reason to it; but people are really reaching when they compare this to that.
She called Podcast, a BOY Phoebe seemed to have a thing with in the last film, a "third wheel."
The "Boo!" thing was clearly flirtatious.
The way their scenes were shot and the type of music they chose to accompany it.
What exactly are friends "separated" from doing with each other if one is a ghost and the other is not..?
"We'll be together one day" is that how friends talk to each other..?
It's also just Hollywood and DEi exists, so it's obvious at this point.
Having gay characters is not the change I was looking for. I was looking for a change to the proton rifle. Shouldn’t by now it be a wrist blaster?
I still want to see this because I really loved Ghostbusters: Afterlife. However, many of my friends who also want to see it I'm afraid will HATE it because they are so sick of DEI pandering that they're almost go to movies ready to be triggered by any hint of that which they dislike. I think I will see it after they do, and take my chances if I choose to see it.
Everybody that is saying this has been duped into seeing things that just aren't there by the woke mob. It's really sad to see.
Until Hollywood gets it that critics don’t make a project profitable and thatFans do, flops are the in thing. Looks like making this Ghostbuster lame with a Chick in it, while making her gay just leads to the inevitable down spiral for the movie. A South Park told you so.
The situation is so ambiguous but I don't think Phoebe is gay.
Agreed
Well, she is. At least until they walk it back in the next film, but even if she ends up with a boy, she can still be bi or pan or whatever else they made up in the passed 10 years.
I'm tired of strong female characters all over the stories. I'd rather watch a movie where the girl only screams and needs to be saved (and I also thought badly about those movies) than even consider watching good productions (or so I heard) like "Blue Eye Samurai".
And that "put a chicken in it and make it gay"... is all over the place. Even in stories where their preferences should not matter, someone has to say it. Why?
Andre, you have probably the most interesting review that I've seen so far. Though.
Your review kind of Goes against Tom's because he didn't see the queer coating.But but 6, who is one of your wrenches, culture, casino and a few others as well. Of those on f and t called it right out.
Even the guys at Red Letter Media called it out LOL
André also is right on calling Red Sonja a feminist mary sue.
Tom's actually retarded, can't listen to anything he says tbh.
Tom is actually smooth-brained, that's why he's not allowed to write anything, because he's a terrible critic.
I don't blame everyone for being cynical, but if they wanted to make Phoebe gay, they would have. I think she just felt lonely and wanted a friend. We've all been there at some point or another. I don't think this the "woke effect" happening, so to speak.
they did that to the little girl? Damn, Hollywood has no shame
That's how they are
But what they don't realize, it's getting out of hands, that's why I wanna stop watching new 2020 movies and start watching good old movies 😂 except late 2010 ones, that's how the gayness started, growing and growing
Too much!! 😒😔🏳️🌈🎞🎬
I had heard about Phoebe's story prior to seeing it and was on guard for the story to go woke. When I saw it, I didn't think it was that bad and thought one of two things: 1. If she isn't lesbian, this could have easily just been construed as a combination of her depression for being cut from the team and her awkwardness in trying to get close to people or 2. If she is lesbian, at least they didn't beat you over the head with it. My bigger concern was how similar the spirit removal aspect felt like a teen-suicide thing, which I'm still not sure what to make of. I guess if it's via technological means, it might not be that bad, but I'm not sure.
All that said, I've heard less complaints about this and more complaints that there was too much nostalgia (which I still don't understand how that's a bad thing if the story still moves forward) and too many characters, which while there may have been many, I didn't think anybody really suffered from it. The veterans weren't going to be the main focus. Everybody should have known that and I was pleased with the amount of time they did have. I'll even go so far as to say I thought the conversation between Ray and Winston about retiring was the most heart-warming scene in the whole movie, as it basically served as a reassurance that most of the original cast will stay with the franchise until they die or can't physically portray the characters anymore. I may need to watch the movie one more time to check my views, but as of right now, this is actually my second favorite film in the series with the original being the first.
The Gay scenes in the movie does not exist in Asian versions. She comes across as just a friend in those. This shows that the message is only directed at western nations.
dayum really? this should also be reported
Asia is a continent not a country, it includes China, India and the middle east. I saw a version that had middle eastern text but english audio@@pixelitchio there was none of the gay scenes people refer to. They just seemed to be friends.
I thought it was weird that Phoebe was in this new movie attracted to a female ghost when in afterlife I thought her and podcast were attracted to each other. 🤷🏼♂️
Nope. No more agenda for this family. No more money from this family either. We’re done.
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Ever since Afterlife, I had my suspicion that Phoebe is the 'girl boss'(Rey from Star Wars sequels) of the group. I wasn't surprised that Phoebe later made a ghost secret gay girlfriend in Frozen Empire.
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I liked it. I'm one of the "latter" types of fans that you refer to, in your video. I think that it was "queer-baiting" at the very worst. But everything you state about Phoebe makes perfect sense here. Phoebe, the character, was completely pushed aside, and isolated, by the main cast, most of which were her family. And they did this at the beck and call of one Mayor Peck(erhead), whose lifetime goal was always to use his power to take the Ghostbusters brand apart at the seams. Phoebe was fooled, by a vulnerable ghost cutie, into being friendly with it. But she was fooled. Phoebe even becomes a primary force in resolving the storyline, by CONFRONTING the ghost about this, at the end! I truly think this is a case of fans being "hyper-sensitive" to everything Hollywood has thrown at us, in the past half decade. And while that is understandable, I don't feel like this movie deserves a lot of the crap that has been thrown at it. Not at all. It was a good movie. Was it great? No. Was it the best Ghostbusters film ever made? Not even close. But it still felt like a Ghostbusters franchise film, that was more than faithful to the original spirit of the franchise.
💤💤💤
And yet Phoebe is still gay, even if the ghost exploited this about her.
@@OrthoLouShe's not, quit pushing disinformation.
@CloakofAuron Just because it went over your head, it doesn't make it untrue. More people than not thought it was pretty damn obvious.
@@OrthoLouwhy does it matter ☠️
I am a BIG Ghostbusters’ fan. I LOVED Afterlife and looked forward to this one. I give it a 3. Phoebe WAS great, in the first film. They ruined her. Not the LGBT stuff, which WAS unnecessary. They made her a BRAT. I won’t be buying a hard copy. Sad.
Didnt watched GB Afterlife and sure as hell will not watch this thing too.
5:26 "Ferhaps"??
I beg to differ with you! That was a bait and switch with the girl vs ghost! They wanted you to THINK they were gonna have them together but they didn’t. I was ready for it IF they did. The movie was good and I’m ready for the next one.💕🐻
Yeah, they didn't have the girl kiss the ghost. She ain't gay. She is just an awkward girl who wanted someone she thought was cool to like her.
This isn't 2010. You can't have an implied lesbian romance anymore to get diversity points. No kiss, no gay.
shut it deborah, nobody cares what u think
The right mindset here. Kudos for not falling into the woke mob's trap by inferring something woke into what is not there at all.
Ok? But Phoebe is still gay, even if she didn't wind up with the dead girl for obvious reasons... Moot point.
@@OrthoLou except she's not gay. The movie would have at the very least state that as fact. But it didn't. So you have the moot point.
When my wife and I saw the trailer, we planned on going to see it, but the reviews have made us decide to wait until streaming if we see it at all
Saw it today. Thought it was great. Phoebe possibly being gay doesn't bother me at all. Gay people exist. Just because one happens to be in a picture doesn't necessarily make that picture "woke."
now but its a woke trope now which means the movie has crossed over into woke territory, its corrupted by politics ya plank