I know it's beside the point of the video, but the insulin guy should've just stood in line and opened up the OJ and drank it. You can open stuff in the store, I've done it (with like a pop) and I've seen others do it. In fact, I'd have to ask my mom to confirm, but I'm almost positive my grandma (who also was diabetic) had done this in stores when her blood sugar was low. As long as you're gonna pay for it, I don't think you'll have a problem. At least less of a problem than running out with the product without paying.
My parents sometimes used to do that when we were shopping at those warehouse clubs. As long as you're paying for it, the store doesn't usually have a problem.
Usually true because most places require you to pass point of sale for theft. But you can also imagine people working for the store pushing it as theft.
One of the first things that goes away when a person suffers from hypoglycemia is higher brain function, or the ability to think and reason. It would not be unexpected for the diabetic to start fixating on "buying some OJ" to the extent that he/she can't process the concept of opening the OJ without paying for it.
1st hand experience here... when my blood sugar gets low in a store, I make my way to the candy, grab my choice of sugar, hold it up and nod to any cameras that may be watching, then open and partake. I pay for an empty wrapper at the end.
It's hard to differentiate your, John, talk. You need a good quality mic. Please, continue to be professional. Otherwise, your extra channel sounds like the one made in the kitchen.
Probably not necessary for the channel focused on citizen use of force but since so many people have graduated Facebook Police academy it wouldn't hurt to clarify how the US Supreme Court defined Objective reasonableness for officers in Graham V Conner. What an officer in the same situation with the same knowledge, training and experience with the information they had at the time (not 20/20 hindsight) would have done if in the same situation. ASP people don't have much trouble processing officer actions using that standard but the general public and outliers sure do. p.s. John's audio is muffled in the last couple videos with this set up.
I was standing on a sidewalk outside of a strip of popular bars and a Camry accelerates quickly from a stoplight and before he's gone 50 ft a cop has jumped into the road about 75 ft infront of the Camry and screams "Pull over!" while pointing to the curb. A 50 something white guy opens the door in bewilderment and the cop just shouts, "You're drunk!" I still remember how everything clicked at that moment. That was a moment where I really noticed how a cop's responses are primarily based on triggers of suspicion. Now I see how those judgements are filtered by the court system. I'm still kind of impressed how confident the cop was he wouldn't be mowed down by the drunk driver. Because who wants to explain that they're in the cast because they thought the drunk would stop quickly.
@@galacticoverlord4871 Are you saying the leo doesn't have to tell someone what their ras is and why they are detaining them when they are detaining them? Serious question.. seems to counter what OP and John are saying here. Sorry if my reading comprehension is a bit off atm. I Just got off double shift so I'm a bit groggy.
@@tanucci733 Say you match the description of an armed robber, and you're encountered shortly after the robbery, a few blocks away. No court in the country is going to require the cop pointing a gun at you to run through the details before he has you prone and cuffed. Safety at the scene trumps all that explanation (and your presumed desire to explain why you aren't the felon being sought). Now a smart officer will explain all of that when things are stable and he's releasing you; after all, you're the wrong guy. If not then or soon after, he'll have to explain it in court when you sue for the unlawful seizure. But there's priorities, and the explanation of the legal issues is well behind making the scene safe, preventing flight and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting While I'm here on my tablet.
"Never." I had a chance to record with Terry and Mike, didn't have a third mic available on short notice, and batch recorded multiple episodes at once. I fixed my audio to the best of my ability, but their input is more important and their audio is fantastic. Please forgive me for taking an opportunity to bring you a quality education, for free, without doing so absolutely perfectly.
@@ASPextra I'm just trying to give constructive feedback. I realized after I posted that you must have recorded these all at once. Thanks for bringing the great content.
I know it's beside the point of the video, but the insulin guy should've just stood in line and opened up the OJ and drank it. You can open stuff in the store, I've done it (with like a pop) and I've seen others do it. In fact, I'd have to ask my mom to confirm, but I'm almost positive my grandma (who also was diabetic) had done this in stores when her blood sugar was low. As long as you're gonna pay for it, I don't think you'll have a problem. At least less of a problem than running out with the product without paying.
My parents sometimes used to do that when we were shopping at those warehouse clubs. As long as you're paying for it, the store doesn't usually have a problem.
Usually true because most places require you to pass point of sale for theft. But you can also imagine people working for the store pushing it as theft.
One of the first things that goes away when a person suffers from hypoglycemia is higher brain function, or the ability to think and reason. It would not be unexpected for the diabetic to start fixating on "buying some OJ" to the extent that he/she can't process the concept of opening the OJ without paying for it.
1st hand experience here... when my blood sugar gets low in a store, I make my way to the candy, grab my choice of sugar, hold it up and nod to any cameras that may be watching, then open and partake. I pay for an empty wrapper at the end.
A person becomes confused, unfocused, and uncomfortable when blood sugar is too low.
Ditto on the sound quality.
John, If you plan to continue these three way discussions, please consider investing in some sound equipment. This is really hard to listen to.
It's hard to differentiate your, John, talk. You need a good quality mic. Please, continue to be professional. Otherwise, your extra channel sounds like the one made in the kitchen.
Congrats on the promotion 😂
Probably not necessary for the channel focused on citizen use of force but since so many people have graduated Facebook Police academy it wouldn't hurt to clarify how the US Supreme Court defined Objective reasonableness for officers in Graham V Conner. What an officer in the same situation with the same knowledge, training and experience with the information they had at the time (not 20/20 hindsight) would have done if in the same situation. ASP people don't have much trouble processing officer actions using that standard but the general public and outliers sure do. p.s. John's audio is muffled in the last couple videos with this set up.
Sponcers and over 3mil subs on the main channel. I dont believe there is 'no money' at ASP.
I never said I didn't make my living at ASP.
I was standing on a sidewalk outside of a strip of popular bars and a Camry accelerates quickly from a stoplight and before he's gone 50 ft a cop has jumped into the road about 75 ft infront of the Camry and screams "Pull over!" while pointing to the curb. A 50 something white guy opens the door in bewilderment and the cop just shouts, "You're drunk!" I still remember how everything clicked at that moment. That was a moment where I really noticed how a cop's responses are primarily based on triggers of suspicion. Now I see how those judgements are filtered by the court system. I'm still kind of impressed how confident the cop was he wouldn't be mowed down by the drunk driver. Because who wants to explain that they're in the cast because they thought the drunk would stop quickly.
I get the feeling they are talking about the Amaud Arebury trial going on right now.
We weren't, but it's applicable in a roundabout sort of way. We recorded this before the trial began.
A reasonable officer reasons.. if there are any who Will reason.
Excellent conversation. So if we're stopped (as a citizen) does the officer have to be able to articulate the "reasonable suspicion" to be detained?
Yes.
@@ASPextra … is this true in every state though John?
Yes...but not to you at the scene at the instant of detention. And it's a national standard, binding on every state.
@@galacticoverlord4871
Are you saying the leo doesn't have to tell someone what their ras is and why they are detaining them when they are detaining them? Serious question.. seems to counter what OP and John are saying here. Sorry if my reading comprehension is a bit off atm. I Just got off double shift so I'm a bit groggy.
@@tanucci733 Say you match the description of an armed robber, and you're encountered shortly after the robbery, a few blocks away. No court in the country is going to require the cop pointing a gun at you to run through the details before he has you prone and cuffed. Safety at the scene trumps all that explanation (and your presumed desire to explain why you aren't the felon being sought). Now a smart officer will explain all of that when things are stable and he's releasing you; after all, you're the wrong guy. If not then or soon after, he'll have to explain it in court when you sue for the unlawful seizure. But there's priorities, and the explanation of the legal issues is well behind making the scene safe, preventing flight and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting While I'm here on my tablet.
Why does John never wear a mike for these talks? It makes a big difference in both sound level and clarity, which is very distracting.
We didn’t have a third mic.
Time to get one! Audio sucks on this one. I enjoy these conversations!
"Never." I had a chance to record with Terry and Mike, didn't have a third mic available on short notice, and batch recorded multiple episodes at once. I fixed my audio to the best of my ability, but their input is more important and their audio is fantastic.
Please forgive me for taking an opportunity to bring you a quality education, for free, without doing so absolutely perfectly.
@@ASPextra … I had zero trouble with the audio. Just ignore the complainers.
@@ASPextra I'm just trying to give constructive feedback. I realized after I posted that you must have recorded these all at once. Thanks for bringing the great content.
I do not buy that "Dirtbag Radar" claim EVER. Nor do I believe in "GayDar," either.