Why Stop-and-Frisk is Legal | Terry v. Ohio
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In episode 55 of Supreme Court Briefs, an undercover detective stops and frisks three men who were acting "suspiciously" outside of a jewelry store. Was that an invasion of their Fourth Amendment rights? #supremecourtbriefs #4thamendment #stopandfrisk
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Cleveland, Ohio
October 31, 1963
That’s right, Halloween
Martin McFadden, a Cleveland detective with 39 years of experience, gets suspicious when he sees two men pacing back and forth in front of a jewelry store. The two men, John Terry and Richard Chilton, would go back and forth, according to various reports, between 12 and 24 times. They took turns starting a block or two away, and then would routinely walk up to the jewelry store window to peek in, and return back to chat about it. Soon, a third man, named Carl Katz, approached Terry and Chilton and talked with them and then left.
McFadden had seen enough. After the three men rejoined in front of Zucker’s, a clothing store, McFadden decided to approach them. McFadden was in street clothes, but identified himself as a police officer and asked them for their names. After the men “mumbled something” in response, McFadden frisked them. Frisk, by the way, means patting someone down to search for hidden weapons or illegal stuff.
Well after McFadden frisked the men, he found a .38-caliber automatic pistol in Terry’s overcoat pocket and a .38-caliber revolver in Chilton’s pocket. Later McFadden would argue he only did a pat-down before reaching into their pockets for the guns.
At the trial, Terry and Chilton’s lawyer argued the evidence of the guns couldn’t be used in court since McFadden’s frisk of them went against the Fourth Amendment. It was an illegal search and seizure. You see, there was this law called the exclusionary rule. The exclusionary rule said you couldn’t use evidence if the police got it illegally.
The Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court disagreed, finding Terry and Chilton guilty. They ruled that, due to both the suspicious nature of their behavior and McFadden’s concern for his own safety, the “stop-and-frisk,” as it’s now commonly known, was reasonable. Terry appealed to the Ohio District Court of Appeals, which agreed with the lower court. So he appealed again, this time to the Supreme Court of Ohio, but it dismissed the appeal saying that it involved “no constitutional question.”
By the time Terry had tried to appeal his case to the United States Supreme Court, it was 1967, a time when more and more Americans were losing their trust in the police. Especially African Americans. Oh, by the way, here is what Terry looked like. Here is what Chilton looked like. Here is what Katz looked like.
The Supreme Court did hear arguments on December 12, 1967. The big question: was the stop and frisk of Terry and the other men a violation of the Fourth Amendment?
The Court said no. On June 10, 1968, it announced it had sided with Ohio. It was 8-1. They said that the police could stop-and-frisk suspects as long as there was a “reasonable suspicion” that the suspect was actually about to commit a crime. So the search and seizure was reasonable in Terry and the others’ case since it did seem like they were gonna rob that jewelry store. After all, McFadden had 39 years of police experience, so he would know better than about anyone what an armed robbery was about to look like.
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TIME 5:12 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 59% AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! 24% NEW YORK POPULATION AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A WAY TO MANIPULATE STATISTICS!!!!!!!!! AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE 13% OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! YET, AFRICAN AMERIDCANS COMMIT 50% OF ALL VIOLENT CRIME IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! THEREFORE, ONE WOULD EXPECT, WITH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF AMERICA; THERE WOULD, SUBSEQUENTLY, BE DOUBLE THE RATE OF VIOLENT CRIMES BEING COMMITTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
I've noticed that Ohio has a lot of Supreme Court Briefs Cases that are important and infamous
Mapp v. Ohio, Brandenburg v. Ohio, Euclid v. Ambler to name a few. :)
I’ve noticed a lot of New York law being important. Cardozo being one of the most famous judges despite spending most of his career in New York courts.
@@iammrbeat And a VERY VERY important case that is ignored in almost every Criminal Court case: Beck v. Ohio. Law schools don't even talk about it.
I would imagine most of the legal stuff goes down in the most populated states with high racial diversity and immigrant populations.
Can't even contravene the constitution in Ohio smh
The problem isn't in court's decision,but in the fact that term "reasonable suspicion" could be used for anything and PDs wouldn't be accountable if they did it wrong.
Exactly. I think they got it right with this decision, but failed to recognize the implications and unintended consequences.
@@iammrbeat Though, as the court has just said, implications aren't always it's business, if the law or constitution needs amending that's up to Congress and the States.
Totally agree and my biggest issue with stop and search. In the UK, I was stopped for suspected drug possession (at the time, dressed with long hair and a bandana - in other words, like a hippy) on the basis of "they could smell weed off me" and you obviously cannot disprove scent.
To make matters worse, I was with my girlfriend who was not searched, nor did I want to draw attention to her because I didn't want to see her being treated the same way. It was a completely discriminatory practice. If they thought I had drugs, surely anyone by association would also be suspicious and you'd also search them?
Worst of all, it further causes that disconnect between police and communities - and that's coming from a non-threatening working class white guy. Must be a lot worse for minorities.
@@ML-ir5vo the police saying they smell wees is what they use to search. 2 times i got pulled over and my car search "because they smell weed. Nothing was found and bsb i was let go. If nothing is found they let u go, if u got drugs then it will look like a good search
Matt Grele I mean does it smell like weed? Lol
YES. Supreme court briefs are my favorite.
Glad you dig the series! :D
I love supreme Court briefs.
It's everyone's favourite
If they are… I would find a new person to listen to. This gentleman got this entire case wrong from beginning to end and he even made things up that aren’t true
@@DeleteLawz1984Evidence?
6:04 As we all know, the six political sides are Left, Right, Center, Russia, Europe, and Canada
You must have glossed over how I also said "perspectives."
You forgot the seventh and eighth sides: Mexico and "CHUYNA"
@@iammrbeat ok fine six political _perspectives_
I think an important part of this case is the suspects suspicious behavior before the stop and frisk. If it was done today the police would need video of the behavior before they could stop and frisk, not an insurmountable requirement with today's technology.
Today we do have the luxury of more easily documenting things to justify reasonable suspicion .
There is no holding by any court , that I’m aware of, that requires video verification of suspicious activity prior to being able to perform a Terry Stop and/or a Terry frisk.
Video has certainly been used to help establish that reasonable articulable suspicion was present at the time of many police encounters...but I haven’t seen where it is now required.
Video has also had a huge impact on civil litigation (See Scott v. Harris, Supreme Court 2007) but there is still litigation that lacks video evidence.
The credibility of witnesses is still what it has been for a long time.
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@@iammrbeat I definitely agree, and this behavior seemed really suspicious.
Thanks for continuing to make the Supreme Court Briefs series. It's great to hear about these past cases that I would otherwise probably never hear about. Your videos are a perfect balance of historical context, case summary, and outcome. Keep them coming please.
Well thanks for the kind words!
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4:21 "the decision has unintended consequences"
No, I disagree. I think the consequences were extremely intended.
The police were definitely expecting something
I think there’s a difference between just ‘frisking’ someone who seems suspicious and pressing their head down on the hood of a car. If the police was less aggressive then they’d probably have more people defending the Stop-and-Frisk policy instead of fighting to abolish it
A very good point. There is so much gray area, and many police officers conduct stop-and-frisk in a professional way.
The police citing "not wanting to be frisked" as their reason to believe a person is suspicious doesn't help.
@@rangergxi that doesn't stand in court
6 out of 10 cops take excessive force as a fringe benefit... you know... like speeding. { Whata you gonna do ? ? Call a cop ?? }
@@Dakotaidk According to Terry v. Ohio a frisk is also a search which implicates the Fourth Amendment.
“McFadden’s concern for his own safety”
McFadden went and confronted them.
I've been a lawyer for, like, 30 years, and I've never heard anyone make this argument against Terry before. You really think that a policeman that investigates a suspicious situation is, well, asking for trouble? I mean, if you believe that police shouldn't exist, I guess that makes sense. But as long as we have them, don't you think they should be allowed to "confront" people that potentially doing something criminal?
Mike Bloomberg sees this vid and starts breathing Heavily...
Freaking Bloomberg. I thought it was funny when Trump criticized Bloomberg for stop-and-frisk, and then a week later is all of sudden for stop-and-frisk again.
@@iammrbeat Welcome to politics 🤣
@@iammrbeat I think it was the hypocrisy of the candidate running for that party and holding that view at the same time
@@iammrbeat The 2 Party System in a nutshell.
The Terry decision was based on the officer seeing Terry engaging in suspicious behavior.
Stopping just anyone walking down the street is not what was intended at all. In fact, stopping people for no reason is a violation of the 4th amendment.
It depends on what you mean by “stopping anyone walking down the street”. The police can approach anyone else in public just as other citizens may approach others to ask them questions or to give them information. The issue is whether the individual is free to go or not. In Terry v. Ohio, Terry and the two others weren’t detained until Officer McFadden physically seized them and searched their outer clothing.
@@ipsurvivor
An officer in uniform is not like a regular citizen. His very presence creates an atmosphere of threat and intimidation because he has the legal power to arrest people. And cops have even killed innocent people.
Officers should only stop someone when they have evidence the person was part of a crime. Stopping anyone for any other reason is a stressful intrusion. What's more, because officers are under orders to make arrests, they look for any indication of criminal activity and start to fish with questions. They do that even when they have no reason to think the individual they're talking to did anything illegal. They frequently make false arrests, but far more often than that, they take up peoples' precious time and bring them stress. They habitually stop people with the hope of finding unknown criminality, and that needs to stop.
As I said in my O.P., the Terry Decision was based on the officer actually observing the person doing something suspicious before stopping him.
@@ipsurvivor No. you're wrong. And it's not even close to how incorrect you are. ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html. LEARN the truth -- not the lies from this fraud.
@@deezynar So..... what's your point? If the seizure is made based on no suspicion, then it's a bad stop. And what ever "stuff" the cop finds on the guy will be thrown out.
@@monkberrymoon4042
My point has been clearly explained.
Cops should not stop or speak to anyone if they don't have evidence that the person committed a crime.
I've been enjoying your channel Lately Mr beat. Keep up the good work. Who ever wins the 2020 election will you upload a election video?
Thank you! And yes I plan on making an election of 2020 video.
I really like the way you revealed that Terry and Chilton were black and that Katz was white. Some say that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and this is a prefect example. As we all know, searching the two black men and not the white man as well is VERY """reasonable""" and warrants search and seizure.
I look forward to the next Supreme Court Briefs!
Crazy thing is, I've been teaching this case for years and didn't know until only recently that Terry and Chilton were black.
@@iammrbeat You've been "teaching" this case for years. How is it you never actually researched it?
Some would say that those who choose to believe some RUclips guy with a questionable history of honesty, without looking into things for themselves, are suckers
@@bjs301 And some would say that trumpists are idiots.
@@kelvinpang438, and, you know, the vast majority of the time, they'd be right.
My favorite series is back! Thanks Mr. Beat!
Well I guess I have to make more of these then. :D
Gosh I hope not. This video is all lies. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Supreme Court Briefs are my favorite Mr. Beat videos. Thank you so much for making these.
I just appreciate you watching them, and I'm so glad they can help!
Just finished watching all your old Supreme Court Briefs videos and now there's a new one for me! :) Amazing series!
Thanks for watching!
@@iammrbeat oh my God you did more damage? How much damage have you done? I’m gonna have to take a look at the rest of the things that you’ve done
I know you said this series doesn't get as many views as other videos, but it is one of my favourite types of video you make you do so keep everything up!
Thanks so much!
I just found this channel and I LOVE being taught something I never knew the story behind it
John Terry went on to slip and miss a penalty in the 2008 UCL final that costed Chelsea their first Champions League Trophy and handed it to Manchester United. Its a small world.
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These may not do as well as your other videos but oh man are they important. If anyone wants to know about the evolution of our “rights” as citizens this is where to go.
It’s incorrect. He’s not doing this other than for video views. This is incorrect data
TIME 5:12 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 59% AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! 24% NEW YORK POPULATION AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A WAY TO MANIPULATE STATISTICS!!!!!!!!! AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE 13% OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! YET, AFRICAN AMERIDCANS COMMIT 50% OF ALL VIOLENT CRIME IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! THEREFORE, ONE WOULD EXPECT, WITH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF AMERICA; THERE WOULD, SUBSEQUENTLY, BE DOUBLE THE RATE OF VIOLENT CRIMES BEING COMMITTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Great video. I enjoy your editing style. It makes some great consumable history videos. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much! :D
I'm an expert on Terry v Ohio -- this was a very disgusting video. This person made things up ALOT -- ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Stop-and-Frisk seems like an infringement of citizen rights. Interesting food for thought. I like your "Supreme Court Briefs" videos!
And yet, it's so common these days. Glad you like the series. :D
If it came out a minute ago how did you watch it 4 days ago
@@sigmaballsnetwork She's a Patreon supporter. They get early access to videos.
@@iammrbeat How is the comment from G Guerrard 4 days old when the video was uploaded just a few hours ago?
@@shyam14111986 yeah what
thanks for making these
they help a lot w/class
your craft is much appreciated
You'll flunk if you write down almost anything this guy said. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
This series it’s how I first came to your channel. Keep them coming
Will do!
Oh no-- Not only is this vid inaccurate - it's lies. I'm an expert on ONE THING: Terry v Ohio. ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Mr. Beat, you are one of my favorite social studies teachers. You have helped me learn a lot over the years I have watched you. Never stop!
Thank you so much!
Rocco -- he creates videos for LIKES and Views -- he starts off by lying and it never stop. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
TIME 5:12 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 59% AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! 24% NEW YORK POPULATION AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A WAY TO MANIPULATE STATISTICS!!!!!!!!! AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE 13% OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! YET, AFRICAN AMERIDCANS COMMIT 50% OF ALL VIOLENT CRIME IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! THEREFORE, ONE WOULD EXPECT, WITH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF AMERICA; THERE WOULD, SUBSEQUENTLY, BE DOUBLE THE RATE OF VIOLENT CRIMES BEING COMMITTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
My favorite series! Thank you Mr. Beat.
Thank YOU :)
Emmerson -- this video is a fabrication. It's not the truth. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
love the added detail about the vote and reasoning behind the one vote, very important man. Thank you!
I’m not a fan of stop-and-frisk, but I’m curious on what an alternate solution could be to it since there are situations where people actually look suspicious
Solution? It seems to me police are creating problems, as stop-and-frisk does NOT reduce crime. The alternative would be to assume everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Things aren't always what they seem, especially when everyone has prejudice.
@@iammrbeat how can you be sure it doesn't reduces crime without explaining a negative? It's been around since the 60's. I'd bet it does reduce crime. It at least catches bad guys after a crime. Terry stops can happen, before, during and after a crime.
@@Truths_Sayer Dude -- you just don't know and this guy's video didn't help with all the lies. I've downloaded it and Ill be coming after him for his lies. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
TIME 5:12 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 59% AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! 24% NEW YORK POPULATION AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A WAY TO MANIPULATE STATISTICS!!!!!!!!! AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE 13% OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! YET, AFRICAN AMERIDCANS COMMIT 50% OF ALL VIOLENT CRIME IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! THEREFORE, ONE WOULD EXPECT, WITH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF AMERICA; THERE WOULD, SUBSEQUENTLY, BE DOUBLE THE RATE OF VIOLENT CRIMES BEING COMMITTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
President During this time: Lyndon B. Johnson
Chief Justice: Earl Warren
Argued December 12, 1967
Decided June 10, 1968
Case Duration: 181 Days
Decision: 8-1 in favor of Ohio
Wow, so relevant with regards to the events that happened after George Floyd. Even without his brutal death, this sort of thing is incredibly touchy to people who have that sort of thing happen to them more often than others. Small wonder they got so mad after George Floyd was killed
It still happens every day. Thanks goodness for cell phones to capture it now.
@@iammrbeat the most significant time prior to today, where there was so much pushback after something divisive, as far as I can tell, was during 1968. The Tet Offensive during Vietnam rocked both the population (leading to people taking to the streets) and the Administration of Lyndon Johnson (people protested outside the White House chanting "hey, hey LBJ, How many kids [did] you kill today?"), ultimately leading him to not seek re-election. But even after that of course, there were still a huge amount of division, protests and pushback, particularly during the Democratic convention in Chicago (as mentioned in your superb series on Presidential Elections in US history Matt :)) with confrontations between the police and the protestors. It's certainly up there with the 2000 and 2016 campaigns in terms of how divided people seemed to be (of course, they're also the two most recent times the winner of the election lost the popular vote)
It's also very touchy to people to whom the Terry frisk was done improperly, like for example, the officer feels your wallet and he knows it's a wallet and picks your pocket anyway. (Brownback v King)
It sucks how much stop and frisk is abused
I'm sure the justices had no idea how much it would be abused in the following decades.
Thanks for doing this video Mr Beat, never knew about this!
And you still don't -- this video is completely false at every level and lies at a lot of place. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
One of the worst Supreme Court decisions
It definitely had many, MANY unintended consequences.
@@iammrbeat Incarceration rates skyrocketed it after Terry v. Ohio. Police brutality i'm sure also skyrocketed.
Thank you for your video as always :)
> pat down all 3 suspects
>> feels guns on two of them
>>>reaches in to the pockets of the men with guns
Where is the racism there?
Great video!
Just had my truck seized and they are saying its set for forfeiture. Even though the fines are way less than the value of the truck. They state it was involved in the crime even though it wasn't. 7 other cases similar they did not take the vehicle but they did with mine because it is paid for. Doesn't the 8th Amendment protect me from this type of government theft?
Thank you for the video, i have a paper on this case!! And this information is very helpful!!
The supreme court turned the US into a police state with this one. They weaseld around the 4th amendments seizure by creating "detainment" where you are not technically being arrested but you are not free to leave while the police do an unconstitutional search, lie to you and threaten you trying to squeeze probable cause out of you in the name of "officer safety", which was not even an issue in this case but was just pulled out of some judges ass to justify trashing our rights. My channel has a video that takes a comprehensive look at how the supreme court re-defined words and added non-issues to justify this. I like to think that the supreme court justices that voted for this are in the lower levels of hell being sodomized repeatedly by large hell hounds while they are forced to watch the deaths and brutal beatings of innocent people by police that have happened because of their ruling which, when you listen carefully to them, was motivated by racism.
Love your channel !
I am a new subscriber. Love your videos! First saw you from “the beat goes on”
You should Unsubscribe to these lies. My career is to Overturn Terry v Ohio-- compare his lies to the truth: Very sad -- this video is lies and fabrications. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Justice Douglas was way ahead of his time.
I think him more and more the more I learn about him.
Thank you!
Gotta agree with the court here.
Thank you
These videos might not be as popular, but they're extremely important to produce. Thank you for continuing to release solid content, especially related to hot topics like the powers of the police. I, for one, love Supreme Court Briefs
Well then learn it correctly. This video is pure lies. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Awesome content. I wish I had learned a quarter of what your sharing with us in school.
DO NOT SHARE THIS IN SCHOOL!! OMFG -- he made shit up bro. It's all lies. ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
I think it's okay for the police to conduct a stop-and-frisk if they have a reasonable suspicious that a crime is to imminently committed. So imminent that a warrant could not be requested in time
That sounds ok to me most of the time, but the problem is there is a slippery slope, and "reasonably suspicious" is fairly subjective.
I'd like to agree with you in principle, but the amount of times cops catch an imminent crime before it happens without a warrant is incredibly rare lol
@@iammrbeat a slippery slope yes but eliminating it would be backwards. How about cops on the way to a serious domestic assault or another serious crime and someone is running away? Shouldn't they be stopped? The list goes on and on. I think courts after the fact determining what is reasonable is really the best solution on a case by case basis.
@@iammrbeat Can't the court rule on that after the fact? Whether it was reasonable?
@@Truths_Sayer Stop and frisk is COMPLETELY backwards. It doesn't make anyone safer and is used as a tool to strike fear into minority communities. You shouldn't need to wait for police to abuse their power to act on it (Ignoring the fact that the police abuse their power with no consequences constantly)
Thank you Terri for making this become such a controversy. I only like this when it is used LIKE IT WAS INTENDED NOT ABUSED!!
It's super helpful thanks for your effort
No -- Un-learn the lies. He lied the whole video. He created this for views and likes. He's a fraud, my friend. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
I love these Supreme Court briefs!!! 👏👏
He lied the entire thing. None of this is accurate or even close to the truth. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
It needs to come back in NYC.
Not sure if you're still doing this series or are taking suggestions from RUclips comments, but you think you could do a video on Furman v. Georgia and Gregg v. Georgia?
Will and or when will the Supreme Court rehearsal Terry Vs Ohio..??
At first I thought this was a comparison video and was curious where Terry was lol
I agree with the dissenting vote
Yeah-=-- This guy made things up -- bad job-- Mr Beat would be fired --- he lied, a lot. ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
I didn't realize the supreme court briefs didn't do as well as the other videos. I think they are some of the most interesting ones
Sure they are -- when you make up lies for it to be differ than reality... compare his lies to the true Terry v Ohio saga that plagues America today: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Great work! Terry is such an interesting case. I think we might cover Terry someday in the future. The political implications of the Majority opinion are jarring.
If you do; disregard this entire video. This man lied and made things up. He is really-- he did a disservice to you. I'm an expert on Terry -- EDU for real - not some fraud like this guy... ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Excellent police work
Just out of curiosity, Mr. Beat, what is your next country comparison video gonna be on?
I'm seriously considering Australia and New Zealand.
Compare the truth to Mr Beats lies. He made this whole video up. It's really sad and highly likely I sue him. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
When you can, you should do Planned Parenthood v Casey! It’s a pretty important one helping explain reproductive rights. Love your series!
He made it
I don't think the YT algorithm understands the Ohio meme 💀
great video
Didn’t the court also say the detained suspects must also be believed to be armed and dangerous prior to being frisked.
Basically the court skipped over the 4th amendment
Yes -- and he lied about the case. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
This is a complicated issue and I don't know a lot, but what I do know is that Detective McFadden had probable cause in that particular instance
I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
You forgot the most important part: The police have a limited amount of time and scope to hold someone under reasonable suspicion. In Terry's case, had he not been carrying a weapon, the detective would have - say - 20 minutes at most. If his suspicions were dispelled, he would have to let the men go. If during those 20 minutes, he finds probable cause to believe that the men were conspiring to commit a robbery, the detective could escalate the Terry stop to an arrest. Otherwise, the detective has to let the men go; however, the detective may continue the investigation and - if he then develops probable cause against the men - he may obtain an arrest warrant.
Shh. That won't make as good of a video because then he can't claim racism as well
What ups Mr beat July 2020 and can give a ❤️
Hey
Thanks Dude
Please do a "worst supreme court decisions" video
you should do a video reviewing hamilton, if you can. because i, as a huge history nerd and theatre nerd was not a fan because of the historical inaccuracies and i'd love to see your opinion as well!!
Let's hope he moves on from things that others are experts on. If you hate historical inaccuracies - you're gonna hate finding out this video is pure lies. Compare the truth. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
John Terry, like the Chelsea legend 😂
Ur actually carrying my history grade rn tysm
Mr Beat I have spent the afternoon trying to determine how my representative in the US house of representatives voted on a measure voted July 1,2020 on a 45-11 vote to continue to keep troops in Afghanistan I have looked on the Congressional Record website and it has not been helpful perhaps you could teach your viewers how to navigate this site and discover how their representative voted on particular measures?
I think quite a few citizens need this refresher.
Not THIS -- these are lies bro. He made this shit up. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
kinda silly to say the police has more authority than a magistrate to execute searches, when a police officer can personally observe crimes and magistrates can't, and magistrates' jobs involves lots of subjectivity in decisionmaking as well.
Seems like someone saw this ruling and thought they could use it to fuel their prisons yikes
Do not discontinue SCB!!
I'll keep making them, though I've slowed down making them lately.
It’s crazy how these seemingly good decisions get manipulated to benefit a minority. I love the Supreme Court Briefs series! Thank you!
oh that's so sad -- this video he produced is garbage... he lied. He lies about a ton of things... compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
McGirt v Oklahoma next!
I'll wait awhile before I do that one, but great suggestion.
Never knew this happens and it’s in my hometown
It did NOT happen like this ... here's how it happened. ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Overturn Terry V Ohio
Wow, I am actually watching a video that talks about an incident on Halloween, on Halloween.
Man, interesting stuff Mr. Beat. Didn't think that the stop-and-frisk procedure would be racist. I wonder would the detective had been around to see what's going on after what's happening in recent events.
I agree, the implications were much bigger than any of them could ever imagine.
@@iammrbeat I couldn't agree more.
Zachariah -- Mr. Beat is just like William Archibald Dunnin and the Sisters of the Confederacy. This video is completely wrong-- made up garbage. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Suggestion for supreme court brief: Santa Clara County vs SPR company (1886) the case that established corporate personhood
He wouldn't know it. He doesn't understand history or conceptual analysis. Compare the truth to the bullshit video he made up. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Supreme Court briefs made me laugh.
Wickard v. Filburn next please
And 2 years later? Enjoy the crime wave NYC 👍🏼😁
Ah nice, a new supreme court brief!
It's nice to see all the comments saying they dig the series! :D
@@iammrbeat It's gonna cost you bro. I'm heading to Arkasas and I'mna sue you dude. You're lying and that's not gonna stand.
Terry Stops are hard to overcome by defense attorneys. Gracefully, Terry Stops are prohibited in the jurisdiction that I practice.
Florida v. Jardines, 569 US 1 (2013) is an interesting case.
Another one is United States v. Jones, 565 US 400 (2012).
No. No. Nooooo -- No. OMG -- you're so fucking wrong it's incredible. Staggering. Very sad -- this video is lies and fabrications. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
I remember "Stop and Frisk" being braught up during the Democrate debates in 2019. Michael Blumberg was the one being questioned about the practice.
Supreme Court Briefs is my favorite.
I hope you truly learn the facts -- I've seen two vids by this fraud -- Terry and Graham - -Both were full of lies. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
You better have good reasonable articulable suspicion that I've committed a crime or are about to commit a crime or your not getting any info from me. See you in court for your lawsuit.
In the words of nute gunray, Is that legal?
Oh Nute.
@@iammrbeat 😂 nice one
"I will make it legal"
Damn respect for Douglas
I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
This is all lies this guy Mr Beats made up.
Since you already went over two of the major cases in Search and Seizure, might as well knock put Tennesse v. Gardner now
The government can not give the government permission to ignore the constitution so government can government..
The NYPD took it a step too far with their "stop and kiss" program imo
1:53 There *"was"* this law called the exclusionary rule.
The SCOTUS ruled that NY's stop and frisk program was illegal under the 4th Amendment. NY said they were going to continue doing it anyway (or at least until they found another way of doing it).
I wish I had Mr. Beat in highschool :(
Why? So he could lie to your face? He made up this Terry Story. Here's the truth. Very sad -- this video is lies and fabrications. I'm an expert and my career is Terry v Ohio. Compare: ruclips.net/video/tD7zJZmXpU8/видео.html
Chille needs to school you. It’s coming…
Thanks -- look at ALLL these people he LIED TO for Views and Likes. What a POS.
Reasonable suspicion sounds very subjective. I guess there has to be another way to define it.
It’s not supposed to be subjective in the sense that the reasonable articulable suspicion needs to be able to stand up to neutral analysis by a judge. There has to be specific facts and rational inferences from those facts.
{And in justifying the particular intrusion the police officer must be able to point to specific and articulable facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant that intrusion. The scheme of the Fourth Amendment becomes meaningful only when it is assured that at some point the conduct of those charged with enforcing the laws can be subjected to the more detached, neutral scrutiny of a judge who must evaluate the reasonableness of a particular search or seizure in light of the particular circumstances. And in making that assessment it is imperative that the facts be judged against an objective standard: would the facts available to the officer at the moment of the seizure or the search "warrant a man of reasonable caution in the belief" that the action taken was appropriate?}
-Terry v. Ohio, 392 US 1 - Supreme Court 1968 (pages 21 and 22)
This decision was design to take away our 4th Amendment and allow police to just grab and seize anyone because they thought they looked suspicious. Before Terry the police needed probable cause a much higher standard in order to seize you and restrict your movement. We are no longer free.
@@cobracommander9138 No. It has to be objectively suspicious. Not just because the officer "thought" they looked suspicious.