Dallas Fuel’s Hyeon “EFFECT” Hwang announced in an emotional Facebook post that he’s retiring from professional Overwatch due to the state of his mental health and the pressures that come with the life as a pro player. “I returned to the league with such energy, but I regret that I couldn’t really show people anything before leaving,” EFFECT said. “But Overwatch is seriously no fun anymore, and I don’t want to keep stressfully practicing.” ENG translation by Swingchip: www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqrt32
I feel bad for effect. He tried so hard to carry all of the first three stages and developed mental health issues, then right as he goes to Korea the meta shifts, Aero arrives, and Dallas is suddenly a fully functioning team again. Hopefully he has better luck next season :/
Allen M Effect is so good, I don’t even think he’s overly emotional, it’s just if you practice so hard for so long at a game and you’re put with coaches that can’t teach you basic comms, you surely would get really annoyed at that
He was pretty toxic for the team to be honest. After almost every match he had to go on social media and whine about his teammates and how they should step up their game. Even though he had skill that attitude is toxic for every team. Maybe that's why Dallas had some succes after he left.
Clayton Penn I think if Effect was toxic to the point he was a reason for the slump, he would’ve been dropped with Rascal. I think coaching was the biggest thing tho, as they did run dive comps and 2-2-2 and brig and all, but meta definitely helped. But I think it was maybe 90% Aero
No. He's the poster boy for a childish Korean attitude towards teamwork. When he no longer wins or feels like things are going slightly wrong within the team, he stops communicating or even trying to be part of the team. Effect is not the first Korean player to do this in the OWL.
Critical Role Highlights Because NA players dont care of Losing, in Korea eSports is an Importabt thing, in NA its a Joke..In Korea the communication is so Strong, in NA its a Side thing..Thats why Soith Korea is the best Team and not USA, USA is Bullshit conpared to SK
Akshon Esports stay, if aero bought dallas from being bottom 3 for both stage 2-3 to stage 4 playoffs in such a short amount of time, then he could easily fit effect into the team again and lower the whole "negative attitude" which people keep bringing up
Dallas needed to learn to function as a team without his hard carry to win fights they shouldn't have won. Now that they're cohesive again effect and the team will perform even better with them.
AlexCub he said one of the best and honestly there aren’t a lot of better players than him He can play zarya hog genji tracer widow pharah reaper mei sombra doomfist all at a high level which is impressive His mentality is his only problem
RIP Effect, the most tragic story of OWL in Season 1. Insanely skillful, but put onto a dysfunctional team and was given no support to help him fight the language barrier between him and his team. Hopefully new Dallas Fuel can help him more than they did Season 1, because he's an untapped ball of potential for them.
Ken B. He wasn’t put into a dysfunctional team, he was apart of it. He went on Twitter after every loss and started saying negative stuff. He contributed to the negative atmosphere in the team. Instead of sticking to the team with an unwavering determination to win, he went back to Korea, leaving his team. You make it sound like he was put into a team of bronze players and he had to do everything on his own. Seagull is considered one of the best Dvas, Taimou is an absolute godly widow, unkoe is a insane Zen player, and Mickie... do I even need to say? EFFECT had a team full of “insanely skillful” players to back him up. They just needed a competent head coach to guide them. His team went to stage playoff without him. His team doesn’t need EFFECT to do good. If he didn’t give up in the end he would have apart of playoff with his team. His story isn’t tragic. It was a story of a guy not being able to handle the pressure. His team did and prevailed, why couldn’t he?
CasuallyInsecure Here are some of the problems with the Dallas Fuel during the first two stages of OWL that in my eyes make the organization seem dysfunctional: Lack of translator for the Koreans on their team which was evident in the Rascal situation. Benching their already phenomenal DPS player, Seagull, and making him learn a completely different role, then buying a new projectile DPS player to replace him rather than buying a good tank line from the start. Lack of mental support for the players, evident in the Taimou situation where he was hospitalized after having a panic attack. Lack of discipline that allowed the exact tweet tirade by Effect that you mentioned after they lost games, as well as a lack of control over the other players who also tweeted negative things after their losses. Completely tossing out Cocco and making their DPS player Taimou pick up main tank for the first time in his career. Firing xQc after the Trihard 7 incident where xQc was unjustly being accused of being racist despite evidence showing that he spammed Trihard 7 even when Malik wasn't on screen. Also, to your point that Effect left to go to Korea and didn't stick with the team: he was in a position where he had no translator to help him communicate with the management, and he had no mental health support system to ease his stress. If he didn't leave to go to Korea, he would not have been able to maintain his lifestyle at all. You say that it was a story of a player who could not deal with the pressure and you are exactly right. But he needed that break. We saw how that pressure, when not dealt with, could hurt the players. Taimou had his panic attack and was sent to the hospital because of how much stress and pressure he was under, and there was no way of relieving that stress. If Taimou is under that level of stress, then, imagine what it was like for Effect, the player who was supposed to be the Fuel's star DPS, the player who was supposed to be the best Tracer in the OWL. Furthermore, I don't think it's fair to compare his mental state to the mental state of others. You said that his team handled the pressure and prevailed, why couldn't Effect, but different people have different thresholds of pressure that they can take. If Effect is not able to take as much stress as his teammates, then so be it! He needs more support than his teammates to function under stress, and that's fine. It doesn't mean that he cares less about the team than his teammates (the very tweets that you were critical of actually show that he cares a lot about the team), it means that he can't handle as much stress as his teammates, and that's not completely his fault. To your point that he was not the only good player on the team, you're right, there were many good players on the Dallas Fuel, but they were mismanaged so much that for Stages 1 and 2, Effect was the only player who could hard carry. Here are a few examples to point out: Seagull is only considered the best Dva currently because he grinded his ass off to learn the hero, but there was no reason to put him on that role in the first place. Seagull himself has said on stream that he didn't understand why the Dallas Fuel bought Rascal to replace him as projectile DPS when he already filled that role. Also, Seagull only really started showing how good of a Dva he was in Stage 3, which leaves the entire first 2 stages of OWL where he was not an important factor for his team. Taimou is an insane widowmaker NOW THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO PLAY THE ROLE, but Effect played it just as well, if not better in Stage 1 (for source, go to Dallas Fuel vs Seoul Dynasty where he goes toe to toe with Fleta and still performs insanely well). For most of the OWL before stage 4, he played main tank where he was extremely lack luster and did not perform well at all. I'm not blaming him, since it wasn't his decision to make him switch roles, but so long as Taimou was stuck playing main tank, it doesn't matter how good of a DPS he is. BTW, despite having Taimou as a DPS player to complement Effect's Tracer play, the management goes out to buy AKM instead of a solid main tank player. Because of the way that the Dallas Fuel was managed seasons 1-3, Taimou was also a non-factor. Mickie is an excellent Brigitte, but he is widely considered to be a lacking Dva compared to other Dvas in OWL, and since Brigitte only came out in Stage 4, I don't think that in the context of this discussion he was a positive factor in the team. Mickie used to be a world class Dva when matrix lasted for 4 seconds back in the OGN Apex days, but with the matrix nerf and the other changes made to Dva, other Dvas adapted to the new playstyle that brought out the most of Dva while Mickie suffered severely. Not to say that he's a bad player (because he used to be a top Dva and he is currently #1 Brigitte) but while Effect was active on the team, Mickie was more of a hinderence. You mentioned Unkoe, but I don't have much to say about him. I agree that he is an insanely talented Zen. However, since Unkoe came way later onto the team, for Stages 1 and 2 he was not there to support Effect. Furthermore, because of the lackluster tank line until OGE was allowed to play, he was getting dove on in the backline and was not getting the protection he needed, which made his skill less of a factor than it should have been. As for whether he hard carried the team or not, just watch Shanghai Dragons vs Dallas Fuel stage 3 to see how powerful Effect was for this team. I'll link below the stats from this game, but in summary, Effect annihilated the Shanghai Dragons and almost got double the kills of the next person on his team, who was AKM, the other DPS player on the team. Effect had by far the highest kills as well as the best K:D ratio, clearly being more effective than anyone else on his team. From watching the game live, Seagull performed alright, and AKM did his job as widow, but the team did not have enough synergy, which allowed mistakes that let the Shanghai Dragons win some fights. In this type of situation where a team does not have enough chemistry to work together, most of the plays will come from spectacular individual performances by talented players, and that's what happened with Effect. If Effect was replaced by Taimou or something, and Dallas didn't have Effect's insane Tracer, they probably would have lost to the Shanghai Dragons. This game was the closest you could get to hard carrying, and this trend of Effect outperforming his team was almost a constant throughout stages 1-3 with the exception of Seagull's Dva in stage 3 and Rascal when he was added to the roster, and MAYBE AKM, although I wasn't extremely impressed by him compared to Effect either. Here's the link to the stats www.winstonslab.com/matches/match.php?id=2377 You are absolutely right that the Dallas Fuel went to stage playoffs without Effect, and that the team doesn't need him to be strong anymore. However, I don't think that Effect's break was the reason why the Dallas Fuel got better. Dallas got better in Stage 4 because they got a new and competent coach, they finally put a main tank player in the main tank role instead of switching Taimou and Mickie onto Winston, the meta shifted into their favor with a new hero that Mickie excelled at, and Seagull was able to play Dva at the highest level to allow Mickie to go to the Brigitte role. Effect provides the Dallas Fuel with a strong Tracer in case the meta shifts back into dive, and Effect can also play Zarya, Mccree, and Widowmaker on a top level, which could allow for more flexibility within the team (ex. Taimou would be able to flex onto his god-tier Roadhog and Effect could take over the Widow role). I mean, Effect was good enough that at the beginning of the season, before everything went downhill, Effect was starting as Widowmaker over Taimou because of how good he was, and Effect delivered. I think if he came back to a Dallas Fuel that could support his mental health better than Kyky was able to, as well as control him when he gets upset, then Effect would be an incredible asset to the team. Effect gave his all for this team, and it is apparent from the words of his teammates such as xQc that Effect practiced more than anyone else to do as much as he could for the team. Hell, xQc stopped streaming for a week because he was inspired by Effect and he wanted to gain Effect's respect by improving. Unfortunately, because the management did not reciprocate this effort, Effect was put in a situation where he needed to go back to Korea and take a break for his mental health. This is what I thought was so tragic about his situation and why I consider him the most tragic story of the OWL.
The Sword Art Online Dickriding Association I don't necessarily think so. Mickie has been on Envyus since November of 2016, way before Effect, and yet even his English isn't perfect despite a year and a half of playing with this predominantly English speaking team. In this video that I'll link, Mickie is talking to interviewers in English, and to be fair they can understand each other, but he still makes grammatical errors and his pronunciation is off. Not to knock Mickie of course, I think that it's great that he can speak English this well as a non-native speaker, but that's just the thing: speaking a second language is hard, and it takes a very long time to learn the language well enough to be able to communicate exactly what you want to say how you want to say it. And since even Mickie who's been with Envyus for longer than Effect isn't able to speak English perfectly, I don't expect Effect to be able to speak it perfectly either. It's also important to consider how much each player speaks in their team. Mickie is a social person, and he probably had a lot of opportunities to speak English with his team, which would help him improve upon his English skills. Meanwhile, Effect is not as talkative, and I don't think that he would have practiced English as much as Mickie. Having struggled with multiple second languages myself, I think it's likely that Effect does have a language barrier problem within his team, although probably not as bad as many other Korean players within the league since I'm sure that Effect can communicate effectively to some level. Regardless, I think that the Dallas Fuel organization is large enough to afford a Korean translator to help Effect with his problems. Link of Mickie being interviewed: ruclips.net/video/P57MNtWg2j8/видео.html Also I love your name btw, it's hilarious
As a Dallas Fuel fan, I can say that Season 2 is gonna be AMAZING for Dallas. I can feel it in my bones! They have Aero as their head coach (best coach ever imo but what do I know), Jayne is gonna be a new addition as assistant coach, they finally have gotten their roster figured out, AND EFFECT (my favorite pro OW player ever, whom I really look up to) will be back; revitalized and prepared to put up the best performance ever as one of the best OW players in the world! I love you Dallas! Keep working hard! I’ll support through every obstacle and will be there with you til the end! I can see it now; Dallas Fuel: Season 2 Grand Finals Champions! MVP: (hopefully EFFECT lol) #BurnBlue Forever!
Next season will look amazing for Dallas Fuel if we manage to keep Effect (and retain Taimou, AkM and Seagull). Flex DPS: Effect, Seagull Specialist DPS: AkM and Taimou. Seagull can play off-tank for team comps where we want to run Effect and Taimou/AkM. We can also run Goats with Effect on Zarya, Mickie/Seagull on D.va Now we will be able to run a pure dive comp with Seagull on Genji and Effect on Tracer. We can run Mcree/76/WIdow team comps and play around them depending on patches and map requirements. And we have options to play Doomfist with both Effect and Seagull, now Seagull is hard scrimming Doomfist xD Add an extra main-tank to replace Cocco, and a flex support/main support for competition for Harryhook and Unkoe (Please sign Elk, Aero!), and next season is going to be great. #BurnBlue
Hopefully when effect returns it wont ^effect^ how Dallas has Been Playing like in stage 4. If they Can have the same mentallity but with effect on there i Think they have the potential to be a top team. What do u guys Think?
Itz Sneaky if he has the same mentality he as now, he has to go. He has proven that his mentality affects his team, he was benched in meta Athena forever because of his attitude and mentality. I think it’s time for him to go and pick up someone from owl team or contenders, I was thinking Davin, since he is one of the deadliest hitscan players in EU.
Agreed. His attitude harmed the team atmosphere. No one was happy, even Seagull wanted to leave.... There is no future for him and the team if he keeps doing that. If he actually comes back in season 2, hopefully, Aero can control him a little bit
Nothing Here To See he didn’t play in meta Athena. He played in meta bullem. He joined meta Athena as a sub working on other hero’s knowing he wasn’t going to be subbed in unless someone got hurt. But his attitude needs to go.
Andrew Carrillo they played Libero on tracer instead of effect for a reason. I agree that negative attitude needs to go, maybe even effect needs to go. There are a lot of great hitscan players in contenders and In owl who don’t play.
Nothing Here To See kinda of agreed. Back then if you were a sub you really never got played. Effect didn’t play because at the time he could only play tracer. Which libero could play multiple hero’s. Effect took the time he had off to practice a shit ton of hero’s. Libero and meta Athena said he was the most hardworking player they have ever met. Also it was triple tank meta so you could imagine effect was useless at the time.
All the people saying effect was being negative, all I have to say is how do you know how he behaved with the team and I wouldn’t want to be on a team with a guy satisfied with losing all those games
Honestly imagine effect on nyxl instead of sbb, total upgrade, sbb is good, but to see effect carry on a lower tier team, imagine what he would do with better teammates. Plus when dallas was envyus effect was the best , and nobody could stop him not even sbb when he was on lw blue
Joe Gusset not really, Mickie's DVa is in a bad place due to his playstyle, it didn't fit with xQc the few times they tried. The best would have been Seagull on DVa, xQc/OGE on monkey (i love xQc's aggressive playstyle, but OGE is crazily good), Effect on Tracer, Rascal on genji and for supp Harry and unkoe
Mocho Cocco ok, i agree that Kyky was a bad coach, but people are saying that he was the only problem, everything was his fault, and it isn't true. You can watch Mickie's DVa vods from before the league. He didn't change his playstyle, it's his fault. Kyky should have helped, and he didn't, but there's a reason if most of the time they're running dive they just swap to their base comp. It's because Mickie doesn't work with DVa. He use all his matrix and he hasn't when they need to engage. He's getting better, but not even close to what it was or other DVa's player
Just face it. xQc isn't coming back. His attitude hasn't changed and what little work he did to fix it was ruined as soon as he got back to his stream and fell back into his old ways. No OWL team with any common sense would sign him. He's just too much of a gamble and too volatile.
we cannot see effect anymore guys. He said he can't endure the pressure of the pro and he'd been too stress to be an ace on the team. So maybe we might see him at his RUclips channel ※Please understand that I may not be able to communicate information well because I am not good at English.
Seeing xQc in some of these clips just lightens my heart because I love seeing him play, but at the same time sinks it because he was removed :( Burn Blue boys
Honestly Idk where Effect would fit with the new Fuel. He would have to play Tracer and Doomfist specifically, but those two really aren't that meta. Every other dps is really covered already by Seagull and Taimou, and even Akm.
Draven Gill they would sub out Tiamou and akm because effect has their hero pool and they can play a solid dive with him. But I just don’t want taimou and akm getting subbed a huge amount.
Andrew Carrillo Taimou is back to Mr. Good Aim now, and Akm is a botburger. There's really no place he fits in now. He should probably get traded or released and picked up by someone who really needs a Tracer/Dive dps. Houston maybe
Draven Gill Houston have a 12 man roster. Effect is better then taimou scene when he is at peak. Effect is third in all of OWL crit accuracy for widow. Effect can play everything taimou can but better. But one problem. Effect English and metal attitude isn’t very good. But taimou is still doing the job and doing it pretty damn good.
Akm needs to be released. There were no reasons to sub him in for Taimou at all, he isn't good enough for OWL, maybe contenders but not OWL. That leaves effect and Taimou to rotate between each other. If they need to play a map where they want Junkrat, Soldier, McCree then Taimou plays, but if they play a map where they only need Tracer or Widow then Effect plays. And if they need both Tracer and another of the heroes mentioned then Taimou and Effect play together ahead of seagull like they did in the past.
So i never got this part of the whole envy/dallas roster Effect and taimou basically have the same hero pool when do they put in seagull or akm ? (If effect does come back to dallas)
TheGoodguyperson effect has a bigger hero pool then taimou. Except effect doesn’t like to play junkrat. Seagull will remain off tank and effect will probably play most games instead of taimou and akm.
Effect has a wider hero pool than taimou. They can definitely have taimou on hitscan and effect on projectile. Or if they want effect on the hitscan they can have seagull flex but that rides on how the meta shifts in half a year and if Mickie can play a competent dva (if she's still around) or some other off tank
TheGoodguyperson Seagull plays main projectile so when Genji comes back in the meta we’ll see Tracer Genji dives from Dallas or Seagull could also play an insane Junkrat, Hanzo, Mei and Pharrah
If he does come back, he might not even play. Tracer gets shut down by Brigitte obviously, and Taimou has been doing a great job as Widow. Plus, there are the rumors that he was extremely negative towards his team supported by his posts on social media and his general attitude. Of course, he may not be as negative now that KyKy is gone and Dallas is winning, but I do not want Effect to come back. At least not for the Fuel.
If you watch his streams, he's actually not that toxic. Just imagine his thought process every game. It was probably something like "My team has no idea what to do, I have to carry" or something like that. I reckon that with the new coaching staff things will turn out for the best. Reasons for this being, the current implementation of actual strategies and plans, the now seen constant improvement of his team mates as well as a synergy that has started to form in the team. If you watched the past games, Effect pretty much went in by himself and tried to kill everything but now that they actually have a plan to stick to I doubt that he'll continue to see the situation as hopeless and be toxic.
Dragon You’re right. I do know that Effect is not toxic on his streams, but there were rumors that he got tilted in OWL matches. Of course, I don’t know the truth. Seagull, Mickie, and the new coach have also been doing great, so now Effect may not have the carry mindset and get tilted. We will have to see what happens in Season 2. I hope whatever’s best for Effect and the Fuel happens.
Dallas Fuel’s Hyeon “EFFECT” Hwang announced in an emotional Facebook post that he’s retiring from professional Overwatch due to the state of his mental health and the pressures that come with the life as a pro player.
“I returned to the league with such energy, but I regret that I couldn’t really show people anything before leaving,” EFFECT said. “But Overwatch is seriously no fun anymore, and I don’t want to keep stressfully practicing.”
ENG translation by Swingchip: www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqrt32
Just came to check out this video after your guys post. Actually kind of sad he left and is in such a bad mental state. 🙁
I feel bad for effect. He tried so hard to carry all of the first three stages and developed mental health issues, then right as he goes to Korea the meta shifts, Aero arrives, and Dallas is suddenly a fully functioning team again. Hopefully he has better luck next season :/
Allen M effect would destroy dallas fuel's mindset if there was no mickie, without mickie, the team would shatter
Allen M Effect is so good, I don’t even think he’s overly emotional, it’s just if you practice so hard for so long at a game and you’re put with coaches that can’t teach you basic comms, you surely would get really annoyed at that
He was pretty toxic for the team to be honest. After almost every match he had to go on social media and whine about his teammates and how they should step up their game. Even though he had skill that attitude is toxic for every team. Maybe that's why Dallas had some succes after he left.
tbagging is my city I know, and especially since everyone just blamed the players for stage 1 it was rly baf
Clayton Penn I think if Effect was toxic to the point he was a reason for the slump, he would’ve been dropped with Rascal. I think coaching was the biggest thing tho, as they did run dive comps and 2-2-2 and brig and all, but meta definitely helped. But I think it was maybe 90% Aero
Effect is the poster boy for stress in the Overwatch League
So true.
So has he just been in Korea since stage 2? I hope he feels better for season 2
No. He's the poster boy for a childish Korean attitude towards teamwork. When he no longer wins or feels like things are going slightly wrong within the team, he stops communicating or even trying to be part of the team. Effect is not the first Korean player to do this in the OWL.
Critical Role Highlights typical mykl fan boy
Critical Role Highlights Because NA players dont care of Losing, in Korea eSports is an Importabt thing, in NA its a Joke..In Korea the communication is so Strong, in NA its a Side thing..Thats why Soith Korea is the best Team and not USA, USA is Bullshit conpared to SK
Dude I miss effect so much, he's sooo good! Can't wait to have him back :)
Me 2
StormBreaker lol
Are you looking forward to EFFECT returning to Dallas Fuel come Season 2 or do you think he should find a new team?
Akshon Esports stay
Leave, he is way too negative to be put in a team environment.
I love both DF and Effect, but i think effect should look for another team
Akshon Esports stay, if aero bought dallas from being bottom 3 for both stage 2-3 to stage 4 playoffs in such a short amount of time, then he could easily fit effect into the team again and lower the whole "negative attitude" which people keep bringing up
Dallas needed to learn to function as a team without his hard carry to win fights they shouldn't have won. Now that they're cohesive again effect and the team will perform even better with them.
We can all agree that EFFECT is one of the best owl players.
ne0_0 ☁ agreed without a doubt
ne0_0 ☁ if u asked to play any dps or off tank he’d play them to a high degree
I dont think so, there are many players that are better
Did u read my comment?
AlexCub he said one of the best and honestly there aren’t a lot of better players than him
He can play zarya hog genji tracer widow pharah reaper mei sombra doomfist all at a high level which is impressive
His mentality is his only problem
Guy I’m so impressed that there is a Korean player that cam play like this! I’m Korean and I was so impressed to see Effect on live league.이펙트님 사랑해요^^
Imagine if Aero joined around stage 1 :(
Son Nguyen No doubt in my mind they would’ve remained the best team in the world. RIP nV :,(
Matthew Powell don’t worry next season when effect gets back from korea, they’ll be great again
Matthew Powell they were never the best team after apex s1 tho 🤔
Gaunted Plays and yet they 4-0ed both FNRGFE and Faze in contenders season 1 playoffs
Noctisout Season 0* and NA especially contenders in no where near Korea
RIP Effect, the most tragic story of OWL in Season 1. Insanely skillful, but put onto a dysfunctional team and was given no support to help him fight the language barrier between him and his team. Hopefully new Dallas Fuel can help him more than they did Season 1, because he's an untapped ball of potential for them.
Ken B. He wasn’t put into a dysfunctional team, he was apart of it. He went on Twitter after every loss and started saying negative stuff. He contributed to the negative atmosphere in the team. Instead of sticking to the team with an unwavering determination to win, he went back to Korea, leaving his team.
You make it sound like he was put into a team of bronze players and he had to do everything on his own. Seagull is considered one of the best Dvas, Taimou is an absolute godly widow, unkoe is a insane Zen player, and Mickie... do I even need to say? EFFECT had a team full of “insanely skillful” players to back him up. They just needed a competent head coach to guide them.
His team went to stage playoff without him. His team doesn’t need EFFECT to do good. If he didn’t give up in the end he would have apart of playoff with his team. His story isn’t tragic. It was a story of a guy not being able to handle the pressure. His team did and prevailed, why couldn’t he?
CasuallyInsecure
Here are some of the problems with the Dallas Fuel during the first two stages of OWL that in my eyes make the organization seem dysfunctional:
Lack of translator for the Koreans on their team which was evident in the Rascal situation.
Benching their already phenomenal DPS player, Seagull, and making him learn a completely different role, then buying a new projectile DPS player to replace him rather than buying a good tank line from the start.
Lack of mental support for the players, evident in the Taimou situation where he was hospitalized after having a panic attack.
Lack of discipline that allowed the exact tweet tirade by Effect that you mentioned after they lost games, as well as a lack of control over the other players who also tweeted negative things after their losses.
Completely tossing out Cocco and making their DPS player Taimou pick up main tank for the first time in his career.
Firing xQc after the Trihard 7 incident where xQc was unjustly being accused of being racist despite evidence showing that he spammed Trihard 7 even when Malik wasn't on screen.
Also, to your point that Effect left to go to Korea and didn't stick with the team: he was in a position where he had no translator to help him communicate with the management, and he had no mental health support system to ease his stress. If he didn't leave to go to Korea, he would not have been able to maintain his lifestyle at all. You say that it was a story of a player who could not deal with the pressure and you are exactly right. But he needed that break. We saw how that pressure, when not dealt with, could hurt the players. Taimou had his panic attack and was sent to the hospital because of how much stress and pressure he was under, and there was no way of relieving that stress. If Taimou is under that level of stress, then, imagine what it was like for Effect, the player who was supposed to be the Fuel's star DPS, the player who was supposed to be the best Tracer in the OWL. Furthermore, I don't think it's fair to compare his mental state to the mental state of others. You said that his team handled the pressure and prevailed, why couldn't Effect, but different people have different thresholds of pressure that they can take. If Effect is not able to take as much stress as his teammates, then so be it! He needs more support than his teammates to function under stress, and that's fine. It doesn't mean that he cares less about the team than his teammates (the very tweets that you were critical of actually show that he cares a lot about the team), it means that he can't handle as much stress as his teammates, and that's not completely his fault.
To your point that he was not the only good player on the team, you're right, there were many good players on the Dallas Fuel, but they were mismanaged so much that for Stages 1 and 2, Effect was the only player who could hard carry. Here are a few examples to point out:
Seagull is only considered the best Dva currently because he grinded his ass off to learn the hero, but there was no reason to put him on that role in the first place. Seagull himself has said on stream that he didn't understand why the Dallas Fuel bought Rascal to replace him as projectile DPS when he already filled that role. Also, Seagull only really started showing how good of a Dva he was in Stage 3, which leaves the entire first 2 stages of OWL where he was not an important factor for his team.
Taimou is an insane widowmaker NOW THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO PLAY THE ROLE, but Effect played it just as well, if not better in Stage 1 (for source, go to Dallas Fuel vs Seoul Dynasty where he goes toe to toe with Fleta and still performs insanely well). For most of the OWL before stage 4, he played main tank where he was extremely lack luster and did not perform well at all. I'm not blaming him, since it wasn't his decision to make him switch roles, but so long as Taimou was stuck playing main tank, it doesn't matter how good of a DPS he is. BTW, despite having Taimou as a DPS player to complement Effect's Tracer play, the management goes out to buy AKM instead of a solid main tank player. Because of the way that the Dallas Fuel was managed seasons 1-3, Taimou was also a non-factor.
Mickie is an excellent Brigitte, but he is widely considered to be a lacking Dva compared to other Dvas in OWL, and since Brigitte only came out in Stage 4, I don't think that in the context of this discussion he was a positive factor in the team. Mickie used to be a world class Dva when matrix lasted for 4 seconds back in the OGN Apex days, but with the matrix nerf and the other changes made to Dva, other Dvas adapted to the new playstyle that brought out the most of Dva while Mickie suffered severely. Not to say that he's a bad player (because he used to be a top Dva and he is currently #1 Brigitte) but while Effect was active on the team, Mickie was more of a hinderence.
You mentioned Unkoe, but I don't have much to say about him. I agree that he is an insanely talented Zen. However, since Unkoe came way later onto the team, for Stages 1 and 2 he was not there to support Effect. Furthermore, because of the lackluster tank line until OGE was allowed to play, he was getting dove on in the backline and was not getting the protection he needed, which made his skill less of a factor than it should have been.
As for whether he hard carried the team or not, just watch Shanghai Dragons vs Dallas Fuel stage 3 to see how powerful Effect was for this team. I'll link below the stats from this game, but in summary, Effect annihilated the Shanghai Dragons and almost got double the kills of the next person on his team, who was AKM, the other DPS player on the team. Effect had by far the highest kills as well as the best K:D ratio, clearly being more effective than anyone else on his team. From watching the game live, Seagull performed alright, and AKM did his job as widow, but the team did not have enough synergy, which allowed mistakes that let the Shanghai Dragons win some fights. In this type of situation where a team does not have enough chemistry to work together, most of the plays will come from spectacular individual performances by talented players, and that's what happened with Effect. If Effect was replaced by Taimou or something, and Dallas didn't have Effect's insane Tracer, they probably would have lost to the Shanghai Dragons. This game was the closest you could get to hard carrying, and this trend of Effect outperforming his team was almost a constant throughout stages 1-3 with the exception of Seagull's Dva in stage 3 and Rascal when he was added to the roster, and MAYBE AKM, although I wasn't extremely impressed by him compared to Effect either.
Here's the link to the stats www.winstonslab.com/matches/match.php?id=2377
You are absolutely right that the Dallas Fuel went to stage playoffs without Effect, and that the team doesn't need him to be strong anymore. However, I don't think that Effect's break was the reason why the Dallas Fuel got better. Dallas got better in Stage 4 because they got a new and competent coach, they finally put a main tank player in the main tank role instead of switching Taimou and Mickie onto Winston, the meta shifted into their favor with a new hero that Mickie excelled at, and Seagull was able to play Dva at the highest level to allow Mickie to go to the Brigitte role. Effect provides the Dallas Fuel with a strong Tracer in case the meta shifts back into dive, and Effect can also play Zarya, Mccree, and Widowmaker on a top level, which could allow for more flexibility within the team (ex. Taimou would be able to flex onto his god-tier Roadhog and Effect could take over the Widow role). I mean, Effect was good enough that at the beginning of the season, before everything went downhill, Effect was starting as Widowmaker over Taimou because of how good he was, and Effect delivered. I think if he came back to a Dallas Fuel that could support his mental health better than Kyky was able to, as well as control him when he gets upset, then Effect would be an incredible asset to the team. Effect gave his all for this team, and it is apparent from the words of his teammates such as xQc that Effect practiced more than anyone else to do as much as he could for the team. Hell, xQc stopped streaming for a week because he was inspired by Effect and he wanted to gain Effect's respect by improving. Unfortunately, because the management did not reciprocate this effort, Effect was put in a situation where he needed to go back to Korea and take a break for his mental health. This is what I thought was so tragic about his situation and why I consider him the most tragic story of the OWL.
Effect has been with Envy way before OWL. Language barrier wasn't the problem.
The Sword Art Online Dickriding Association I don't necessarily think so. Mickie has been on Envyus since November of 2016, way before Effect, and yet even his English isn't perfect despite a year and a half of playing with this predominantly English speaking team. In this video that I'll link, Mickie is talking to interviewers in English, and to be fair they can understand each other, but he still makes grammatical errors and his pronunciation is off. Not to knock Mickie of course, I think that it's great that he can speak English this well as a non-native speaker, but that's just the thing: speaking a second language is hard, and it takes a very long time to learn the language well enough to be able to communicate exactly what you want to say how you want to say it. And since even Mickie who's been with Envyus for longer than Effect isn't able to speak English perfectly, I don't expect Effect to be able to speak it perfectly either. It's also important to consider how much each player speaks in their team. Mickie is a social person, and he probably had a lot of opportunities to speak English with his team, which would help him improve upon his English skills. Meanwhile, Effect is not as talkative, and I don't think that he would have practiced English as much as Mickie. Having struggled with multiple second languages myself, I think it's likely that Effect does have a language barrier problem within his team, although probably not as bad as many other Korean players within the league since I'm sure that Effect can communicate effectively to some level. Regardless, I think that the Dallas Fuel organization is large enough to afford a Korean translator to help Effect with his problems.
Link of Mickie being interviewed: ruclips.net/video/P57MNtWg2j8/видео.html
Also I love your name btw, it's hilarious
Alien On Mars RIP him too, although he seems to be more positive about his situation and he has found another team. But nonetheless, RIP
I smiled throughout this 😄, makes me remember how fun watching him was
This guy kills a whole backline alone when others fail with their tanks and zen orbs
Why is there two clips of fleta killing Effect?
good old times
As a Dallas Fuel fan, I can say that Season 2 is gonna be AMAZING for Dallas. I can feel it in my bones! They have Aero as their head coach (best coach ever imo but what do I know), Jayne is gonna be a new addition as assistant coach, they finally have gotten their roster figured out, AND EFFECT (my favorite pro OW player ever, whom I really look up to) will be back; revitalized and prepared to put up the best performance ever as one of the best OW players in the world!
I love you Dallas! Keep working hard! I’ll support through every obstacle and will be there with you til the end!
I can see it now; Dallas Fuel: Season 2 Grand Finals Champions! MVP: (hopefully EFFECT lol)
#BurnBlue Forever!
you'll be missed! thanks for all the awesome moments! good luck effect! :(
Hes had it rough season one. I feel hes been blaming himself too much. Hope he feels rejuvinated season 2. 😊
effect is my favorite
Next season will look amazing for Dallas Fuel if we manage to keep Effect (and retain Taimou, AkM and Seagull).
Flex DPS: Effect, Seagull
Specialist DPS: AkM and Taimou.
Seagull can play off-tank for team comps where we want to run Effect and Taimou/AkM.
We can also run Goats with Effect on Zarya, Mickie/Seagull on D.va
Now we will be able to run a pure dive comp with Seagull on Genji and Effect on Tracer.
We can run Mcree/76/WIdow team comps and play around them depending on patches and map requirements.
And we have options to play Doomfist with both Effect and Seagull, now Seagull is hard scrimming Doomfist xD
Add an extra main-tank to replace Cocco, and a flex support/main support for competition for Harryhook and Unkoe (Please sign Elk, Aero!), and next season is going to be great. #BurnBlue
Hopefully when effect returns it wont ^effect^ how Dallas has Been Playing like in stage 4. If they Can have the same mentallity but with effect on there i Think they have the potential to be a top team. What do u guys Think?
Itz Sneaky if he has the same mentality he as now, he has to go. He has proven that his mentality affects his team, he was benched in meta Athena forever because of his attitude and mentality. I think it’s time for him to go and pick up someone from owl team or contenders, I was thinking Davin, since he is one of the deadliest hitscan players in EU.
Agreed. His attitude harmed the team atmosphere. No one was happy, even Seagull wanted to leave.... There is no future for him and the team if he keeps doing that. If he actually comes back in season 2, hopefully, Aero can control him a little bit
Nothing Here To See he didn’t play in meta Athena. He played in meta bullem. He joined meta Athena as a sub working on other hero’s knowing he wasn’t going to be subbed in unless someone got hurt. But his attitude needs to go.
Andrew Carrillo they played Libero on tracer instead of effect for a reason. I agree that negative attitude needs to go, maybe even effect needs to go. There are a lot of great hitscan players in contenders and In owl who don’t play.
Nothing Here To See kinda of agreed. Back then if you were a sub you really never got played. Effect didn’t play because at the time he could only play tracer. Which libero could play multiple hero’s. Effect took the time he had off to practice a shit ton of hero’s. Libero and meta Athena said he was the most hardworking player they have ever met. Also it was triple tank meta so you could imagine effect was useless at the time.
Can't wait for season 2!
Zad-E when is season 2?
Lord Indecisive Maybe season 1 (playoff) will end this year (before the winter) and season 2 (free season) will start this winter
It’s amazing to see effect open up team fights with his multi kills for the fuel
The fact that he had an almost ten min highlight reel while being on a fucking shitty team (when he was playing on it) just shows how good this guy is
Effect is just an all-round great player. Crazy how long they managed to suck with him on their team.
I hope that with EFFECT back in the team next season, they can reclaim #1 seat they had back in the old days.
Damn one of the few people who used Reaper in the league. I hope he makes a comeback
I don’t think there’s anyone who works as hard as EFFECT when it comes to perfecting their skills in overwatch.
DID HE JUST SAY YEA BOI YE BOI
wuhduywhiaduwdja
My favourite dps fr, I hope dallas come back next season cos this man was carrying so hard and his team wasn’t up to his standards for those 3 stages
All the people saying effect was being negative, all I have to say is how do you know how he behaved with the team and I wouldn’t want to be on a team with a guy satisfied with losing all those games
He’s going to be the best player in the league next season.
Honestly imagine effect on nyxl instead of sbb, total upgrade, sbb is good, but to see effect carry on a lower tier team, imagine what he would do with better teammates. Plus when dallas was envyus effect was the best , and nobody could stop him not even sbb when he was on lw blue
Watching EFFECT stick pulse bombs is Kreygasm. So satisfying
Other teams whould be scared for Season 2 when Effect comes back with the improved Dallas
Probably the hardest carry in the OWL. For better or for worse. After him was/is Undead/Ado.
The good ole FuelsEffectMan days
When dallas played well, you can be sure effect was popping off.
Arran Mortimer not now
I really wanted to see effect, seagull on genji, xQc on monkey, n Mickie run dive. I thought it would work but Kyky ruined that
Joe Gusset not really, Mickie's DVa is in a bad place due to his playstyle, it didn't fit with xQc the few times they tried. The best would have been Seagull on DVa, xQc/OGE on monkey (i love xQc's aggressive playstyle, but OGE is crazily good), Effect on Tracer, Rascal on genji and for supp Harry and unkoe
giacomo rabaglia kyky did ruin it he was a bad coach. When Aero came Mickie looked much improved along with the Dallas fuel
Mocho Cocco ok, i agree that Kyky was a bad coach, but people are saying that he was the only problem, everything was his fault, and it isn't true. You can watch Mickie's DVa vods from before the league. He didn't change his playstyle, it's his fault. Kyky should have helped, and he didn't, but there's a reason if most of the time they're running dive they just swap to their base comp. It's because Mickie doesn't work with DVa. He use all his matrix and he hasn't when they need to engage. He's getting better, but not even close to what it was or other DVa's player
giacomo rabaglia I agree with that
Just face it. xQc isn't coming back. His attitude hasn't changed and what little work he did to fix it was ruined as soon as he got back to his stream and fell back into his old ways. No OWL team with any common sense would sign him. He's just too much of a gamble and too volatile.
He's looking much better atm :D
Sad that we couldn't see Effect and Oge play together :(
oh boi do i miss him :( soooo much
Man, effect was the second best tracer after sbb, and then life kicked in
i miss effect playing in the stage and custa playing with the dallas fuel lol
Effect ult is art
이펙트님이 위도우 트레 맥크리 겐지등등 뭘 하든 과감한 플레이를 하는게 너무 좋다
we cannot see effect anymore guys. He said he can't endure the pressure of the pro and he'd been too stress to be an ace on the team. So maybe we might see him at his RUclips channel
※Please understand that I may not be able to communicate information well because I am not good at English.
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Yoooo. Remember when Cocco had actual playtime?
Can we have a best of Pharah play ?
0:34 totally effect
man if effect was on a team with better coordination or spoke some korean, he would be even better
Stage 4 for Dallas fuel would be even better with effect
Best player in the world in my opinion. Can't wait to see him play again.
William Bryant I second that
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Good times
Last time I was this early xQc was in OWL
I feel like effect needed to play for a team like philly. He never had a agressive team to fot his style.
5:43 Poor mercy lol
While you see the man playing apex legends now his aim and mechanics are still cracked af
Seeing xQc in some of these clips just lightens my heart because I love seeing him play, but at the same time sinks it because he was removed :( Burn Blue boys
Effect is THE god.
We will miss you!
I hope he stays with dallas
soslslsl yondaime ye
He said on stream that he’ll be back for S2 and will be staying with the Fuel.
Matthew Powell really ? I'm happy to heard this
soslslsl yondaime new Dallas with Effect will be such a feelsgoodman team
soslslsl yondaime Fuel fans dont deserve him
Effect is amazing idk if he is good for the team
Best player in the world
Crazy that this looks like diamond today with better mechanics
Honestly Idk where Effect would fit with the new Fuel. He would have to play Tracer and Doomfist specifically, but those two really aren't that meta. Every other dps is really covered already by Seagull and Taimou, and even Akm.
Draven Gill they would sub out Tiamou and akm because effect has their hero pool and they can play a solid dive with him. But I just don’t want taimou and akm getting subbed a huge amount.
Andrew Carrillo Taimou is back to Mr. Good Aim now, and Akm is a botburger. There's really no place he fits in now. He should probably get traded or released and picked up by someone who really needs a Tracer/Dive dps. Houston maybe
Draven Gill Houston have a 12 man roster. Effect is better then taimou scene when he is at peak. Effect is third in all of OWL crit accuracy for widow. Effect can play everything taimou can but better. But one problem. Effect English and metal attitude isn’t very good. But taimou is still doing the job and doing it pretty damn good.
Akm needs to be released. There were no reasons to sub him in for Taimou at all, he isn't good enough for OWL, maybe contenders but not OWL. That leaves effect and Taimou to rotate between each other. If they need to play a map where they want Junkrat, Soldier, McCree then Taimou plays, but if they play a map where they only need Tracer or Widow then Effect plays. And if they need both Tracer and another of the heroes mentioned then Taimou and Effect play together ahead of seagull like they did in the past.
Andrew Carrillo taimou is the best df widow at least this is what they said
Do Carpe highlights.
Rip EFFECT and Senika
They're back together :D
www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchTMZ/comments/8q6ugv/effect_and_senika_are_back_together/
He is my hero
Where is effect?
Effect, Jayne, and Aero are gonna carry Dallas to the finals. You can @ me on that
Really it is all about fuel and EFFECT but now it is about Boston
So i never got this part of the whole envy/dallas roster
Effect and taimou basically have the same hero pool when do they put in seagull or akm ? (If effect does come back to dallas)
TheGoodguyperson effect has a bigger hero pool then taimou. Except effect doesn’t like to play junkrat. Seagull will remain off tank and effect will probably play most games instead of taimou and akm.
Effect has a wider hero pool than taimou.
They can definitely have taimou on hitscan and effect on projectile.
Or if they want effect on the hitscan they can have seagull flex but that rides on how the meta shifts in half a year and if Mickie can play a competent dva (if she's still around) or some other off tank
TheGoodguyperson Effect can play Tracer Genji Zarya and Dva Taimou can’t
TheGoodguyperson Seagull plays main projectile so when Genji comes back in the meta we’ll see Tracer Genji dives from Dallas or Seagull could also play an insane Junkrat, Hanzo, Mei and Pharrah
Mocho Cocco also they can do their brigitte strat with effect playing the Mccree or widow.
i miss effect so much.. but taimoo is so good rn..
Meh, way too inconsistent.... even right now.
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Man I miss effect
best plays of effect? the first few were him getting destroyed
Whoops that was embarrassing. Fixing this right away!
That's how he played, maybe the OC wanted to point that out. He was a feeder and made Dallas suffer.
I wonder if you had actually ever watched the games prior to stage 4.
Dragon I did, here were clips of effect getting destroyed by fleta, they already fixed the video by removing the clips of that
I was talking to Lithlad lol
Effect Rascal and OGE playing together could have been something Dallas needed
He was so burnt out
If he does come back, he might not even play. Tracer gets shut down by Brigitte obviously, and Taimou has been doing a great job as Widow. Plus, there are the rumors that he was extremely negative towards his team supported by his posts on social media and his general attitude. Of course, he may not be as negative now that KyKy is gone and Dallas is winning, but I do not want Effect to come back. At least not for the Fuel.
Taimou over Effect? No thanks.
William Powell Effect is definitely better than Taimou, but he’s toxic. Plus, Tracer is currently almost useless.
If you watch his streams, he's actually not that toxic. Just imagine his thought process every game. It was probably something like "My team has no idea what to do, I have to carry" or something like that. I reckon that with the new coaching staff things will turn out for the best. Reasons for this being, the current implementation of actual strategies and plans, the now seen constant improvement of his team mates as well as a synergy that has started to form in the team. If you watched the past games, Effect pretty much went in by himself and tried to kill everything but now that they actually have a plan to stick to I doubt that he'll continue to see the situation as hopeless and be toxic.
Dragon You’re right. I do know that Effect is not toxic on his streams, but there were rumors that he got tilted in OWL matches. Of course, I don’t know the truth. Seagull, Mickie, and the new coach have also been doing great, so now Effect may not have the carry mindset and get tilted. We will have to see what happens in Season 2. I hope whatever’s best for Effect and the Fuel happens.
xQc please? i know there’s not much but he’s my favorite streamer
I forgot how good he was lol
펙트님 역시 잘하셔~~
Isn't he going to Seoul??
Joe Hughes no he’s staying with Dallas
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I miss him :(
Miss effect
Wow first? Also love my boi Effect
Mickie lol
Dallas should release AKM cuz they got Effect
Without a doubt. I will be highly disappointed if AKM stays on the team.
펙트님 생각에 잠겨..
부착 센스 미쳤네
I LOVE YOU EFFECT💋💋
A team that had rascal and effect as dps was 1-9 at some point thats how bad of a coach kyky is
요새 이펙트 히트스캔 물오름 ㄹㅇ
우원재 이제빠지는시기임 처음리그위도우꺼낼때가 플레타랑위도비비고 잘했음
팩트쨩 ㅠㅠ
역시... 트레의 정점..
Im so sad effect retired. He was the best
Yes, it is very sad to hear, however, it's not all bad as he will move forward as a streamer under the Dallas Fuel brand.
Akm,effect 조합은 이기기 힘들듯
#BRINGEFFECTBACK
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His other name
EFFECTRACER