Why YOU SUCK at MID LANE (And How To Fix It) - League of Legends
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
1:08 - Wave Control Levels 1-5
2:20 - Wave Control After 6
2:59 - Waveclear Breakpoints
5:19 - Recap
5:45 - Trading
7:09 - Recap
7:28 - Last Hit Turns
8:51 - Spacing
9:52 - Spacing Techniques
12:43 - How to Improve Faster
15:13 - If You Do This I'll Cry
16:01 - The Raptor Ward
16:53 - Ranged vs Melee
18:08 - Recall Timings
20:56 - Roaming
22:24 - Roaming Early
24:12 - Roaming Level 7+
24:44 - Roaming Exception
25:50 - Outro
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what i find most annoying is the enemy midlane roaming without pushing, but your team is so dumb that he gets kills and the game is doomed and it doesn't matter if he loses cs anyways
thats what we call high risk high reward roams. the best way to punish this is by freezing the wave and denying minions or by pushing into tower. with good communication his roam fails and you get a plate or two. the third option is to match the roam, you recognize team isnt listening and you follow up the roam. in those situations i like to use my team as bait for them and get the counter gank rather then matching straight up
Even worse for junglers who barely get value from invading or holding a wave, and still struggle to crossmap an Objective since always behind/at the mercy of sololanes.
@@thecoffeecuratoryeah I agree just play on their tempo do what you can, get a good recall and wavestate mid- try to get a nice set up for a gank/shutdown. Track spells and summoner timers from the roam, maybe do something on grubs/ drake coming up or have your jungle and support capitalize on the mid lane freeze.
that's why I always play carry mid lane champs, not some play-making champs, because when my team are doomed by a roam, I could always stay mid comfortably farming and getting to the point the enemy cant stand my damage and lose
if you can, try to coordinate dives on his ruturn to midlane. That's one of the best ways you can just completely remove him out of the game. If he drops his wave to roam, get kills, has to recall then comes back mid and dies he loses 3 to 4 waves so he is out of the game. It's hard to consistently pull off because you need your jungler to be on the play, buf if you can its very op.
NGL that spacing part cleared up a lot of my misconception about that concept. Good job, guys!
might I ask what those misconceptions were? :3
@@SquallHart05 No don't be weird
most parts were mostly things I already know but the explanations on spacing is quite good. thanks for that
I suck at every role, I get it skillcapped
YESS I’ve been wanting to learn mid and with season 14 changes I’ve been waiting and anticipating sooo long thank you so much!
I was looking for this, thanks!
probably your best video , and ive followed you guys for years. very very very educational, do this for the other roles too!
Can't wait for "Why you suck at bot lane" to be all about not mental booming your own support.
Thank youuuuuuuuuu very much!!!! I posted a comment 3 days ago under one of your videos like "plzzzzzzzzz make a video about mid plzzzzzzzzzzz" and you guys actually made it. OMG thank you so much!!!!!
lol @ 19:58 - sadge for samira - Also great video, I wanna try to apply this to my mid games and ima try to do it properly... If everything goes well you'll have yourself another customer!
Welp they're not sugar coating anymore I SUCK
Spacing techniques works great against certain toplaners too.
Pretty much only way to win against Darius and, and especially Aatrox on some champs is to bait their spells.
Darius players often try to land Q if they're on less than full HP, and Aatrox players can be fooled into thinking you are running away, thus dashing forward to catch you, and then you simply predict it and instead move up into their faces, meaning only the 3rd Q can hit you unless you run away right after the 2nd.
Both these champions are severely limited in trades if they can't land their Q, especially Darius.
Also works against Mordekaisers but his Q is on low pretty low cooldown, and you're often better off making him hit you AND a minion because then it deals far less damage than if it hits only you.
Been playing league for over 10 years and yet I learned so much from this, well done
I am main mid in bronze 2 atm. Most of these I knew but there were some what I might wanna learn up, this video is a good help
Skill n champion hit box is the key to good spacing, the terrain needs to be in the equation, the skin since some changes the visual but not the hit box, while some do change the hit box like blue academy Ezreal R is totally bugged
This is the best mid lane guide i have ever seen
Hex glad your hard work of teaching of over 10 years ago God bless you
TYSM!
I'm a big hater of these coaching videos but I have a feeling these last few ones have been exceptionally good
the amount of detail you go into seemingly basic stuff aswell as stopping to give some context is very easy to understand
as a shitty hardstuck gold player, I legit know like 80% of this but I don't apply it 😂
same, applying shit is so much harder bcs sometimes you just cba
The timing on this one felt a little personal, guys. 🥲
And the leblanc in the beginning had me sad, that leblanc has it good
No literally because I was watching so many videos on how to get better at Mid the past 2 weeks :l
FR
same
It really did lol i was just trying to have some fun on mid playing some champs i used to play back then cause my champ pool is small and i also just got demoted so yay 100lp lost in 2 games
Went mid with two champs i played years ago and went around 1/15 in both games
I play Kassadin , laning phase consists in try not to die and catch xp
Reasons why i suck at midlane:
Number 1: i always get secondary role and never play actually mid
Pro tip: never play solo queue because the botlane will always go 1 10 and give you a guaranteed loss
In my team 90% top loses the lane
You will lose if your other laners lose, sure. Sometimes, admit that you are the one that will loses lane. But if you are consistently a good player for the majority of your games, you will climb no matter what.
Blaming teammates for the rest of their ranked career is a loser's mindset.
@@shiroyukisnow I genuinely play well 90 percent of my games I always get at least 8 kills and die less than 5 while my teammates usually get 1 kill and die 10 times each and I can't climb
ok but if you're 8/1 at 20 minutes with 60 cs it's normal you're not climbing
@@Biditchoun obviously I cs too I have good cs every game
Mid laners break point is lvl 5/7/9 *cries in kassadin
Why YOUR jungler sucks and how to fix it
I cast testicular torsion!
as a midlaner you should go to help your jgl to take scuttler and maybe kill an enemy jgl even if you lose a few minions
And then have my jungler feed anyway and me now behind in xp and gold ? No thank you
@@mistersergeione of the biggest reasons why i main strong skirmishing champs in mid. Dont even have to lane but will win game just by getting everyone ahead and enemy jungle behind. Securing objectives easily outweighs losing a couple waves.
You just have to pick up the slack its solo queue not team queue.
I just came back to league because I wanted a hobby again and I lost my first 20 games in a row and am now Iron 3 lol.
Same this is hard for us
Instructions unclear, I dropped to Bronze from Diamond
Bad recalls is why I suck at mid lol, good vid. The juicy turretplates tempts me.
I suck playing melee into ranged so badly, but we'll get there
90% of my mid losses are thanks to the most silliest jungle invades. It's like they choose to coinflip the whole match and offer a free kill to the enemy jungler or mid just because they *must* try to cheese. But I do agree this guide works for flex games.
then they ping you to come save them but it goes so horribly wrong that somehow the opponent mid laner goes from 0/2 to 3/2 because somehow both support is there too. It was just an norm so I didn't type and no one dare complain about mid diff to me at the end. The other guy snowball to about an 21/5 kda ( don't remember exact number) at the end while I was 11/6 I think.
my mid losses are cuz akali keeps going bot for ez double kills, ignores tower
You show Karma's Q range at 11:34 but its misleading because her Q has a AOE if it hits a minion (or auto AOE with R enhancement). It would be really sweet if you guys consider this additional range in your custom indicators. I'm no Master player but as I play with Karma I most certainly calculate the nuanced AOE of my abilities.
As a jg main. Please stop telling people about the raptor ward! I don’t want the other team to use it
good video!
Spamming ARAM with friends is hands down the best way to learn the range and abilities of every champ, in a short amount of time.
You're playing new champs every game, and then you'll also get to play in close proximity to 9 other champs, who you can watch while you're playing and learn from.
This! I only just swapped to mid after always playing top. Mostly I've just played aram though and out of all the things in this video, spacing is what I do best, while recalls and roams are where I suck.
@@mariannekelstrup7633 Same. Last hitting? I'm pretty inconsistent with that, but I def know how far to stand back from most champs and i'm aware of their abilities & cooldowns
I swear i cried when reading the title 😭
When are we getting the support one? Im waiting for it to check if I'm buying the full guides.
You don’t carry as Support tbh.
@@Malugako ??? u very much can, support is one of the best roles to carry with roams and coordination with jungle
6:45 is conq vs kassa actually an option or are you trolling xd? I main Lux but never ever went conq. I am low elo tho so I am actually interested in your honest answer here
its literally just showcase fights...
WE NEED THIS BUT FOR JUNGLE
As a malzahar player I'm lost. What are my break points?
Do you have a guide to lane against LeBlanc? I really need it 😩
I struggle to space her and she wins trades with what seems to be such ease
I've played this game for like 7 years and I still don't know how to play against her and actually win lane, so you're not alone. She used to be much stronger back in the day from what I remember.
im sick of the toplane changes as a Camille main and have been looking at mid thankyou
mid lane makes me want to cry
What about melee champs like yasuo and yone that arent assassins
Some parts of the video lack sound O.O
Didn't they change the minions speed in Midlane?
13:21 this is when I pull out middlesticks
I just started playing can anyone give some tips to improve and some vid link for help.
Never played a moba in pc so its hard always was a fps guy :)
side step doesn't work against hwei Q :(
do 1 for jungle
sending this to my mid yasuo after the match
How do I explain my team that I don't roam because I want to avoid the possibility of face checking the enemy assasin?
u play and become the assassin is how.
Work off the jungle. Your laner keeps roaming bot? Help your jg take rift and push top ahead. Unless you're helping to secure dragon or something.
We want hector series in the low elo hell plz guys
4:00 irelia with botrk 🗿🗿
I do suck at mid lane! how do I fix it?
Guys i need help i've been playing for 5 months and i still haven't found my main. I just play whatever is free but i want to stick to one champ. How did you 'guys do ??
Find what role you like the most, only play that role. Play as many characters in the role, find out who you like the most. That’s atleast one strategi. Or look at the meta and just stick to one of the best characters… this will make it fun to play until you get better at them and or they get nerfed. Or think of your other mains in other games, try to find a character in league that has something like your main in another game. Like if you love playing a tanky character in other games try to go for that in league too, I think these are probably the best strategi. But a tip from me personally i love playing new characters and try to be as good as possible at them. Of course this doesn’t work for every new character but try them every time to see if it something that you like, i tried Briar when she came out and shes now my main.
Just pick a high impact role (jungle, mid, support?!?!) and pick the coolest looking champion. Personally, I picked mid because jungle was too scary, and support was whatever to me. Then, I picked Katarina because she does a lotta damage and movement (not 200 years damage and movement but it's still nice)
As a top laner, I've had several different mains throughout. I've gone from Garen, to Mord, to Mundo, and now Tahm Kench.
My advice is to find a champ that has some form of cc, preferably a slow or stun. This will give you the chance to escape when you're trying to learn the champ, and a chance to go in if they over extend and you're confident in your champ.
I also choose champs that aren't regularly banned. That'll make the enemy laner underestimate you to a degree and give them a false sense if confidence against you. Then you can make them pay for it when you out farm/ out play them in Lane.
play a champ with a high impact team fight ultimate brotha. Neeko, kennen, annie. Or high map impact champs like ahri, twisted fate or Taliyah
Ive recently started supporting my girlfriend so Im looking forward to the botlane video!
The timing of this video just as I lose a game 😭😭😭😭
And here, I am still playing mid Zyra!
What about a little more advanced guide for those that know these basics ? Possible by any chance?
Why didn’t anyone explain this to me sooner
why not just dont buy boots and damage items instat? with the damage kill the wave faster and go roam faster. on the paper it sounds for me better than buying boots
How will you go gank with no boots
I just drop from Dia back to Emerald then I see this. What the heck is this timing?
Riot vanguard banned me after I started to use the spacing techniques.
we need jungle, adc and support version
with offensive titles like these i cant send it to my friends to watch
As a toplane main i should give this to my midlaners before the game.
is it weird i predict enemy spells , dodge sideways before theyre cast a lot of the times and do many of these dodges on low elo
Wow, that is weird. Here’s the compliment you were fishing for 🧜🏻♀️
in case this is a genuine thing you are asking and not just fishing for compliments:
everyone has some things they do better or worse... if you are better at this exact thing then you are worse than others at something else on your rank
As taliyah player, this feels more difficult to pull off over the opponent.
Isn't the first mistake to pick in a hardcounter?
I know why I suck. It’s because I don’t play this game religiously like I used to, and that dear gamers is what I like to call a dub.
Funny cuz i was carrying in mid and then we lost what a timing
About the thumbnail......at first i only saw "WHY YOU SUCK" then ahri and katarina showing jigglejonglers so had to take a closer look 😅😅😅
I have a question to toplane i royal wanna Play Gnar but i think the champ isnt so strong but i wanna climb to can i climb out of Pisslow With gnar?
goat
Then there is yone who just use that soul form to run you down from tier 2 tower
Kalata joined the chat
So point and click skills makes absolutely no sense because you can't bait them if you're in range you lose automatically.
I gues OCE silver already taught me everything
I just got demoted, what's with the timing
80% of the guide dont apply to my champion pool xD
Become a god in spacing and get flamed by your enemies for scripting
How do you know I suck ? You live in my walls ? 😨
I love ya'lls videos, super helpful, but please for the love of god take a breath and add some space in the vocals. I get such a headache after just one video
This Game is so easy i got master with no experience with lvl 20
Weirdly personal.
Bad part: self selling
i dont suck i just need to pratice :,)
The most fun role imo. I think Ryze is among the best midlaners to learn fundamentals with. He's got a bit of everything and that works imo.
i just started playing Ryze this patch and hes so fun. Great timing for this video to release
nah, Annie is
@@yurilopes420 This. Annie is simple yet effective, so people don't have to focus on mechanics and can properly learn fundamentals without worrying about hitting combos.
i see katarina. i click.
Kata player we are brother
Do you actually have a guide that start at Iron? I'm stuck there and it's really difficult to climb because all the games are really weird (:
Irons kinda gnarly bro cause I've seen alot of real botlike behavior there but as a bronze 3 the thing that helped me most when I was fight irons was leaving micro and spacing after that it's just scoop up kills and carry but I can't tell you how to deal with bronze and on
Oh 1 more thing find 1 champion who's abilities you really like and if possible only play with that champion . Limit test on him to know how much damage you can burst with 1 combo at like every level up to 9 so that way you feel more confident in some of those 2 v 1s. For me I like jhin and I know his 4th shot always crits when I push the enemy to there tower at like lvl 3 I know if 1 of them have like an 8th of there health bar and don't leave tower pretty far to back or Don back at all I can just waste 3 shots click on said low enemy flash in and immediately walk away from tower
this guy sounds like mr incredibles boss
Well, good points, but if your opponent doesn't suck and your team do you can't really make it work anyway 😂
This is a reupload. Feel like I watched this months or years back
why lux have conqueror? xd
None of this minion breakpoint b.s. applies to Zed lmao. Q never one shots 3 caster minions
Will you do a video how zyb ( KC BO) Carried his game? Like u did with agurin
Numbers really are constantly being thrown out of the context here. While the combined pick rate of Sylas and Ahri may be 25%, you will only be versing them in about half that amount, as the total pick rate cumulates 200%.
Not quite how math works...
If both players have the chance to pick ahri then... She will only be picked at most 100% of the time. The rest of the percentage is the ban percentage.
So... You will face ahri 25% of the time or more if she is not banned by you.
I love just how hard it can be to interpret numbers
Only one side can pick a champion so the number is at most 100% with the rest of it going to bans. So if you don't ban ahri you'll face her more than 25% of the time.
This percentage is out of 100.
@@JessicaMorgani Idk wtf you're trying to say here, but if Ahri has a 15% pick rate, then without any assumptions that will be 7.5% of the time in enemy team. Now you could argue that your own team's midlaner doesn't consider picking or banning Ahri.
Ahri has a 18% ban rate, so you are left with a total pickrate of about 18% (0.15/0.82), assuming Ahri makes it through the draft. Now you want to find the p for a binomial distribution X with n=2 where P(X>0) = 0.18. That p is somewhere between 0.09 and 0.1, meaning a random mid laner has the desire to pick Ahri about 10% of the time, even though she is picked in 18% of the games where she isn't banned.
That is also why I originally said "about" half that amount, as it is slightly higher due to the potential that there were games where both midlaners wanted to play Ahri. However as you can see even for the highest picked midlaner, the probability P(X=2) is less than 1%, so you can neglect that factor if you want a fast answer that is pretty close to the actual number and don't need an exact answer.
Jg diff
What’s sad is I do 90% of this and most of the time it doesn’t matter… I would say I win my lane most games, I help with objectives, I roam but there seems to usually be someone just better on the other team, either better jungler, better split pusher, fed adc, something … none of these courses will teach a shitty bronze player to magically win 49 games in a row… it just shows how a skilled player can take advantage of bronze players