ok thats a great video and i dont want to act toxic but you completely inted at 10:33, you couldve definitely get a double kill if you played it correctly
@@plague0 If Malz had ult, he was 100% dead. Flashing was definitely the right answer. Its better to let a kill go than it is to give the enemy another kill when you're already behind. The loss of farming time and pressure wouldn't balance out even if he ended up getting the kill and dying in the process. Especially if you've reset gold by killing someone.
note how, when he did chickens and kha came to the camp, he didnt steal the big one, instead he took just the small ones and left the big one to kha. This is what you should do if you see the jungler, not contesting against him, in that case jungler would be 100% in the right to tilt, take his bot waves or smth like that...
personally i feel like all thats going on here is he is replacing the top laners role as the split pusher meanwhile they top laner takes the ad carrys role as the grouper, you cant have 3 split pushers in games so its a bit weird.
@@csgotrainingbot2160 not even. Most of the time when he was splitting bot Trynd was splitting top. Half of these plays wouldnt be possible is tryndamere wasnt doing what he does best: splitting
@@sleepyheartss fair, i didnt really look at mini map much, the general sentiment i was going for was that you have solo lanes split push, so in this case he replaced the mid laner
While I agree this strategy works. You forgot the part where you go to split and every time you arrive at the minions your team starts a 4v5 fight and loses. Rinse and repeat until they type in chat “ADC never at team fight!!!” “Just Report Ashe”
A few issues with this strategy, A) your support tends to just stick by your side and leech your exp. B) Your teammates will ping and troll if you don't group and call you out. C) The ennemy team will just group mid and brute force their way to the inhibs if 2 of you are splitting, killing your allies on the way, getting 2+ turrets and objs.
I agree with A and B, but honestly, how often does C happen in plat below People in lower elo love chasing kills and most of the time, don't hesitate to chase the over extended person split pushing on the side
@@cherno8336 I pretty much always win vs split pushers. Jg main here. Edit. The real problem is people giving up. In his video his teammates are still trying. Which is the only real problem in low ranks. People give up.
A) I ask them nicely to help out the more useful team members while I soak exp and gold alone while creating some pressure. If they don't, that's really on them and not you. This has never ever been an issue. Although probably one in 200 games you might get a support like this. B) These kinds of players will inevitably be in your teams. These kinds of players will find some reason to tilt over, no matter what you do. Like if you did group with them, and then obviously died because you had no items and exp, they would ping you anyway and claim AD diff. How is that scenario any better than doing something useful and being flamed over it? Why would you want to do the wrong play, just to get a different flavor of flame from your team? C) Okay this sucks for sure. How is it going to be any different if you were there with your boots and half an item, 5 levels behind? Like in this scenario where the enemy steamrolls that hard through your team, what do you do as an ADC if you aren't really fed and ahead? What is the better alternative, than trying to get back into the game while possibly tricking some K/D player into trying to catch you? Like see how all of your arguments against this tactic, take unwinnable situations where you have zero agency one way or the other, and try to use those as issues against this strategy? Sure like all of your three points are situations where this tactic for getting back into the game won't work. But sometimes team difference is just too big for you to impact it. This is still the best strategy for getting back into the game and winning a lost game. If it works even 30% of the time to turn a loss into a win, it's still going to raise your hard stuck 50/50 winrate into 65/35 until you climb as a result.
Literally! There is always that one point mid/late game where somebody pushed the button to turn it into ARAM mode, it’s like a party over there in mid
Step 1: Mute all Step 2: Don't Stop Farming Step 3: Missing 3 enemy on minimap or overpush = Recall Failure to do step 1 will lead to being tilted. Jungle will complain for taking his jungle and others for not joining the suicide party.
Jungle camps mid-late game are often left because objectives and team fights the strategy is that even if your team lacks common skill or are just simply out scaled by enemy team you are the only hope because of most ADCs great wave control/clear and in the tier list good mobility .
Ah, yes the adc split tactic. What happens in low Elo is either the supports comes to you to steal exp or your team fights in mid 4vs5 before flaming you for not being there. You can split all you want but if your team is dead and the enemy is reaching your inhib you are kinda forced to come back. Or, you continue to split to bot tear 3 while enemy is taking nexus.
Tbf you need to shot call a bunch. even if people tend to be less responsive to shot calls the lower Elo you go, the communication even with just simple pings definitely gives you an edge.
In losing streak yeah that's what happend, but not in wining streak or in normal streak, and there you can and you have to not be the one that will downgrade the team %chances of winrate, otherwise you will be under 50% winrate on your account. In losing streak it will be dead yeah, you just can't win all but you can trust your allies on wining streak and apply this strategy.
@@MrCorando Im gold and i was expecting gold players to at least be a bit more reasonable u know but every time you ping them they either dont listen or they will flame you for pinging silver/bronze/gold are basically the same gameplay over and over in macro what changes is simply the micro gameplay skills
another one that has no concept of the benefit of consistency. The video doesn't promise 100% win rate. The video doesn't say you'll carry every game and WHO THE HELL are these people that CARE about being flamed and don't mute chat?!?!?!?! that's a big reason you can't climb anyways. If your team is dead and the enemy is taking your inhib with 4, can you stop them by yourself anyways? then it doesn't matter. AND if this strategy wasn't more consistent than traditional adc playstyles, challengers wouldn't be using it whenever they climb through the low elo ranks. Do you not understand that in the few cases where your support comes to you to steal exp or your team loses the fight, then you lose the game? look even if you're so good you have a 60% WR, which is climbing very quickly, out of 200 games you still lost 80 of them. 80 is a shit ton of games to lose. Strategies don't just omit the games you're going to lose. They give you a way to more consistently carry games and just because using a strategy means that you can still lose the game doesn't mean it's a bad strategy. You don't know more than the challengers making the video. Complaining about how you can still lose when implementing the strategy they use to carry is just ignorance. If you were as good and knowledgeable as them you would be challenger too.
Yes this strategy is real, that's why I've always loved self sufficient adc champs. The only issue I see is, you need to recognize when your team won't take advantage of the strategy and take every 4v5 expecting you to be there because they don't even know where you are on the map
I've always wondered what I'm doing wrong that prevents me from consistently carrying games as an ADC. This video helped me understand that, that is beyond my control. Thank you so much for this wonderful video!
oh man i cant wait to start using this strat in my low elo games and have all my teammates start flaming and reporting me for not grouping. then start inting themselves and ffing.
@@Robdawg-db4wg well happens a lot the team ignores completly the adc split pushing and scalling... Then they can 1v9 and is the adc fault for not being so ahead like him...
Feeding the opposing adc then split pushing is literally how you troll your team. ADC’s also aren’t the greatest at split pushing because they get caught out a lot. This is a troll strategy.
this is actually what i'm doing. been stuck in low plat for a while now, and i usually think: killing the tower is faster as running to mid with the chance of my team being already dead when i arrive.
One of the biggest improvements you can make to your game will be to never react to fights unless they are extremely close to you and you have a 80%+ chance of success. Just keep in mind teammates will flame you for playing correctly so be prepared to mute them.
@@skillcapped if I can ask a question. Because I kept thinking to myself: what am I doing wrong? Because my mechanics are pretty decent from playing these kinds of games before. Not challenger level, but definetly diamond i think. But I always thought that the lack of coordination in plat was holding me back. Plus the coinflip supports and ofc I play bad too sometimes. Will it be better at the higher ranks? Because the adc role just really spoke to me because of the actual role it has in the team, and this is kind of solo bolo gameplay even though I am thankful for the tips.
As a ADC main who solo queued to diamond can confirm this works. The best part is most supports typically ditch you when you lose lane, so it actually makes this strategy a lot easier. And even if the enemy bot lane stays and 2v1's you, play for just wave clear. They are dedicating 2 of their fed players to deal with one feeding player. 👍
Won't work in Masters and challenger when you try to split against a fed top like Fiora, Riven, or aatrox who red trinket bottom bush and wait for you to split push.
Pls make this same type of video but for other lanes. Not everyone can split and splitting mid is close to impossible so im interested in seeing other lanes explained
It's funny because until this video, I was consistently hating on midlaners for not leaving mid after first bot tower falls and letting me (ADC) mid. I think that if you go to a sidelane, ADCs will really be grateful most of the time lol. Also, if they're actually splitting, they're bound to draw people towards them, no? You can take that time to invade/collapse/do stuff mid. If everyone stays mid, your splitpushers will do the work for you
@@scammer9348 good pressure means the 2 side lanes being pushed by the top lanerand jng/mid (whoever has more mobility) and the other 3 should generally try to get mid or objs. pressure works best when the whole team applies at the same time.
The problem is that though she is independent in laning phase she is crap in chaotic skirmishes and it's very rare to get the front to back tf she thrives in, her spell shield is strong early on but is not great self peel later
What I actually do as a ADC and especially love doing this as Sivir. My god she can clear those waves in a instant with Kraken, PD and IE. Most of the time leads me to the one with the highest lvl and 150-200+ cs difference. Won so many games just by splitting or randomly grouping ending in me doing so hard damage that we win a full teamfight.
I noticed you guys have someone in the comments replying to some questions/comments - very nice of you! Of course getting replies more often is a member-exclusive feature as it should be, but a little interaction and advice for all the free viewers on RUclips is super cool!
I love how this is basically a guide for „how to play toplane/tryndamere“. Like 90% of the video explains how i farm as top main myself (despite beeing in low elo)
One of my favorite things to do as a jg is to "pull out a trynda". Get into a sidelane, push, collect wave and jg camps, reset like a splitpusher. It is gold for me, pressure on the map, only do it when there are no laners doing it. Kinda like a "Fine. I will do it myself" moment. I play WW btw
Fellow WW enjoyer 🤗 I swear that good boi was responsible for teaching me the mechanics of ganking when I was new to the game, very fun champ at all ranks
I love how a Challenger is explaining this exact problem early game. When I try to tell my jungler that it's not my fault I'm 1/4, that it's the supports fault, i always get flamed for being a bad ADC. What they didn't see is my support hiding behind me, letting the enemy team constantly poke and harass me without helping, never using spells to poke or peel or heal. The skill of the support wins or loses lane, ADC skill wins or loses game. If I have a horrible support player, I'm now 1v3 instead of 1v1.
I should add I'm a Trist OTP. I love how safe she is when split pushing. She melts towers especially if you take hullbreaker and demolish. Her jump with resets and ult make it easy to keep enemies off you, her burst is great if only one person comes to stop your push, and the e waveclear is pretty fast.
I think what makes it obvious if your bad or good on an adc is if you rotate for dragons. A smart adc will always want to keep that buff out of the enemies hands and in their own. If it’s uncontested and I need help bursting it down and you are too busy with plates than it’s safe to say you are not a good adc. You can always go back to killing minions, you can’t alway have that 5% dps boost from infernal drake.
@@shibaraccoon8740that depends on the enemy, for example if we just kill bot lane and also the jg. I will go for some plates, the sup can help the jg. And I get some extra gold so I can continue carrying the game. In other situations yes I try to push fast and go with the support to help our jgand kill the dragon fast. It depends on the situation.
FINALLY A GOOD ADC GUIDE. Again, credit where it's due. THIS IS WHAT MAKES ADC'S CLIMB FROM BEHIND. Stop flaming your adc's for split pushing. Maybe reconsider playing aram, or at least queue up for that mode instead if you'd rather turn your brain off and take random 4v5's.
I always splitpush but this guide emphasizes map awareness and teammate awareness which instantly made me better and my teammates flame me less because I actually get towers now (at least in the last 7 games)
I'm an Ashe one-trick and I discovered huge portions of this strat on my own down here in bronze and went 9 wins 1 loss on my placements this season by playing like this. Ashe E is super powerful for split pushing safely with the level of jungle tracking you can do with it. I know I'm a filthy bronzie, but I'd rate her way higher than you did for this on the merits of her E being useful for map tracking and long-range R being useful for contributing to far away fights.
I split push often and avoid teamfights (as adc )that i cant make it to before they start. I get even when behind using the strategies i see here. I then look to help the team. Ive never considered not going to help once im even or being willing to die for pressure to keep up in other lanes. Ill try that this next week. Ive had your service in the past but gained not a single rank so i dropped it. I still appreciate the quality of the presentation though. This strategy is interesting so ill try it.
I'm sorry but I do have to point this out. The decision not to group after baron is so terribly bad it almost invalidates the whole video by itself. They were doing what they were supposed to after a baron kill, and the decision not to group and have your team dying when it was an easy win (you were already stronger than everyone else) and losing the baron buff for a couple of waves that achieved nothing is baffling. For some reason the enemy team decides to die 1 by 1 after that fight and that alone decided their fate, not the split pushing decision. The irony of it is when you ask "what would tryndamere do?" he is actually on the teamfight. At most, he should be pushing, not you. 13:15
Honestly my first and biggest advise as an adc main would be to just do what you think is right and not what your team thinks is right. What I mean is that you don't usually have to rotate on different lanes, help on drake inearly game etc. even if your team pings the hell out of you.
Finally a guide that just isn't telling players that: "Your role is the strongest late game, and you have agency. Just get good and carry" Honestly, the split-pushing example is kinda harsh to perform on some ADCs, but, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, playing dirty is the only way you'll be having any impact on the game as an ADC most of the time. I remember an exact situation like this before, top got camped and I got support gapped to shit. Enemy team went mid and top and I was just splitting as Sivir. Cue in my jungler flaming me saying: "Just group, you noob. Don't you know you're better in teamfights?" and I just said "Just don't fucking fight then, innit? Just defend mid and be a nuisance to the enemy". Jungler actually asked me: "How?" and I replied "By killing minions, Mr Tarzan, did you spend that much time in the jungle that you forgot what those are? Don't try killing the enemy, just clear the waves" Surely enough, I was a level up on the enemy ADC and 1.5k gold. Of course, this was during plat, it's a bir harder to do in D+
Man I remember i once solo’d a splitpushing adc as morgana supp, we were equal in gold. Being an adc main myself i felt bad for the guy but shit was so funny
Tried it with vayne. Team got mad, died 4v5 constantly, I didn't even reach mid turret before the game ended. It might help but srsly, some guys are so good at losing, that the games feel like 3v7s.
I wish my games had more such clear situations. 80% of the time while being behind I have hard times finding opportunities to split, because we're rarely the ones in pressure, at least pushing back free farm from the towers allows to gain some gold. P.S - you forgot one advice - if you clear jungle camps in low elo - make sure your jungler doesn't see you, otherwise you will get flamed (and probably reported by him)
I like this strat. Although, it doesn't fix the issue that if our team is losing so hard that there's never any pressure anywhere on the map, there's nothing you can do safely. As is so common in low elo.
It also doesnt account for if the other ADC has the same strat. 17-20 mins in both ADC's are farming trying to split push at bot lane, neither have left the lane except to roam for kills.
You cry, finish pushing the wave, recall to defend (clear waves not engage ofc) and spam ping objective hopefully on the other side of the map Or if you can't stop them (in time) anyway, you assess if you're in any danger and if not, stay on the opposite site, keep pushing, preferably take a turret in return while they take the turret/inhib anyway most likely. Happens a lot after 4 of your teammates die. They will ping you to defend the inhib 1v4/5, which is likely not possible anyway so you should keep pushing and get something in return.
There is definitely a more niche/advanced scenario, but it still operates on the same fundamental. First, ask if you can even defend their push if you recall. If the answer is no, then you know to keep split pushing. If you can defend, then ask if they will take more than what you'll take if you keep splitting. For example, if you continue splitting would take 1 tower, but they'd take 1 tower and 1 inhibitor, and you know you can prevent that if you recall, well then recall. The vast majority of the time though split pushing will be the correct decision.
@@skillcapped this! too many player just recall to defend just to stagger deaths. Play chess not checkers. It's ok to give up structures and farm instead of dying by yourself or with a half ass defense.
actually i tried following the video and what you are telling happened to me in the last games. I just got flamed for no reason xd. I told the team that is stupid making tf for nothing and it's not worth die meanwhile i could take a tower instead. then flamed me xd i got sick of this game, really
Actually, for climbing, adc is my best role. Because I find it the most fun to play and don't want to play another role :) And if you don't have fun, why play. But that's just my perspective
@@might_y How about I do both? I play 4 fun in normals, which means that I might go dumbass builds or take zed support with friends. And I try to have fun in ranked. Having fun does not mean inting last time I checked. Going 20/2 on Twitch and doing more dmg than the rest of your team combined is fun to me. There is a difference between playing and having fun and playing 4 fun. And despite me being plat with ~80 games/year I don't believe I int, my win-rate would agree with that. And it's true that I could probaby win 5% more games if I play a role that isn't adc, but ~68% seems fine to me. If others can't live with that, they should look inwards and do some self reflection. If a single win or loss matters that much to you, you have issues that are not in the slightest related to league, and that is not my problem at all. It's a game, and you're meant to have fun playing it. If you're not having fun or playing the game for a living, you should quit the game, that's not a suggestion, that's advice.
It’s not only F for Flash for me, but that it also makes more sense to have Smite or the other summoner spells closer to the rest of my abilities that I use more frequently. They’re all close together while Flash is the farthest away cause it’s different and i don’t have it as often.
Love the guide!! But I'd argue for Jinx to be one tier higher. If she can actually take a tower while she's splitting she has insane potential to take following waves and towers, and she gets a huge boost to her attack and move speed on takedown.
but she severely lacks on mobility, even with the tower speed buff. It's not enough to prevent an ahole jgl from just easily catching you. Especially cause most junglers have a lot of mobility
update on this strat: you will get camped by nocturne, even if there is a 4v4 fight happening around dragon. The nocturne will NOT leave you alone, and possibly make you want to uninstall the game
Yes but that’s where you have to adapt to the draft. If they have 2 assassins, you almost never want to side lane because they will kill you almost every single time on a wave
For anyone wondering how good this works - been doing this since mid s4 when i started to main adc after playing toplaner - it just went naturally to try to push out safe lanes for more gold and just hope your team doesnt throw
so I am normally a support main, got stuck in adc role with a pretty terrible supp who wanted me to shove the wave all game. mid game and beyond, i was following this guide to the letter in spite of my team yelling at me all game and me explaining what i was doing whenever i died. Suffice to say, the enemy team made some very poor calls and we won the game decisively after one teamfight over baron buff.
But when is the right time to help your teem in a team fight? If they fight around the dragon, and are going to loose, will you continue to push botlane? Or is it better to prevent 4 dead teammates and a dragon for the enemy team?
Just one addition: if at least one of your teammates is fed enough, grouping can give better odds at winning because you can peel for them by being a walking HP bar
@@douwemusic If you have a fed riven they don't need to team fight and hard group all game. If anything they would want to continue being a side lane monster because champions like Riven excel in the 1v1. Riven is a decent team fighter as well but why would you risk a team fight when you could play side and get further ahead drawing pressure or straight up turret diving and winning the 1v1. Your example is an oxymoron because a fed riven will want to split push and dominate in the 1v1 trying to draw more people to answer her while her team pressures in other lanes. Let's play devil's advocate though and say she groups. If you are behind as an ADC her autos will already do multiple times the amount of dmg 1 of yours does. A riven with Gore + Black Cleaver + DD will do infinitely more dmg than an ADC who only has galeforce and a zeal + T2 boots.
Well, what do you do if you are the varus? Varus isn't even on the tier list. I play varus and usually get leads in lane in Plat. Half of the time we somehow manage to throw the game
So what about the impact to your teams jungler? by looking at the time stamps it looked like you stole 5+ friendly jungle camps pre 20 min and that CS cant be replaced by lane minions due to monster hunter. In one of the tabs you showed later it looked like the jungler on your team was way under leveled and thousands of gold behind. I get trying to solo carry, but I feel like this strat is toxic as it just forces your jungle to be underleveled and super weak because the plan is to take all his camps?
I'm curious too but I guess it depends on what champion is the JGler playing, if it's a tank or whatever ADC should be excused to take the camps as they scale way harder and have much higher chance of carrying later on but if it's someone like Kindred then I don't know honestly.
For those questioning the legitimacy of this concept, I am a Season 11 Vayne Main that climbed up to Masters 300ish LP using this strategy myself. Methodology works, but as explained in the video, it takes both good macro and precise map awareness to pull it off. Also no missing a single minion or cannons. You would typically use this strat when you have a bad lane/bad support. Back in Season 11, you could continue pushing the wave even if someone were to send someone to defend if you were both mechanically and physically strong enough to outplay and kill the defender. Not every game you should perma-split push even after you come back though. Once you reach your power-spike as Vayne, most times back in Season 11 it was more optimal for me to have to group and solo carry teamfights. This also requires good mechanics and can make things dicey, but it's converting from making 100% guaranteed plays/0% fail to making 70% guaranteed/30% fail plays. Even if you reached your power-spike but your damage is still meaningless, then you go back to split-pushing, so be flexible/adaptable to what's happening in your games! Playing again after quitting for 2 years today, I've noticed that it's harder to kill the defender and it would be more optimal to play the safer route and take enemy camps or rotate into fights/picks instead. Happy climbing!
i did this with sivir. i didn’t know this strategy was a thing so i just thought sivir and static shiv was good. i literal afk shove and somehow went from hardstuck s2 for many years to hitting gold 4 for the first time ever. i’m pretty amazed
TBF in low elo it's both correct and incorrect to blame the support. Correct in that the majority of low elo supports jerk off the whole game and don't attempt to do anything proactive or productive. Incorrect in that you are doing a lot wrong as an ADC in low elo in your positioning, farming, laning skill, knowing when to recall, map awareness and where the enemy jungler is likely to path next.
As a support main, I think I can say the skill difference between a good adc and a bad one is sooooo apparent by level 2 you can tell what your Laning phase is going to look like. They will either decide to eat every hook naut throws at them or they will know how to use the minions to guard themselves
there's one thing that this guide haven't mention yet, is that in low elo when ur teamate realize ur the strongest member on the team they tend to brainlessly group with u. So try to tell them ur plan when u split. And if they don't listen then ur screw.
Me: We are not a jinx adc. We are tryndamere. What should we do. Also me: flash's into center of team as dropping e and hitting R then proceeds to watch grey screen confused.
What you just described is just the pain of playing the ADC role in general. In my testing this is the best strategy against those comps since you can play strong duelists with self-peel like Vayne/Tristana and then look to isolate 1v1s instead of having to deal with an entire team in teamfights diving you.
You cant win them all. Had a fed enemy rengar recently who one shot me in less then a half second 0.32 and once it even said 0.00 😂 there you can just group and hope your team kills him afterwards.
It's why you play based on the map. Low ELO is so bad at matching sidelane, you'll usually see enough of them elsewhere on the map sooner rather than later
In the tier list, you forgot to mention Varus unless I’m blind. Where would he be put on the list? He can clear waves pretty fast with his Q and passive, his E and ult are solid peel options, and again with his passive giving him extra Attack Speed every time he kills an enemy (champion, minion, monster, and I believe turrets but not sure about that one).
All Melee champs want to be in melee range so spacing isnt as important. All Mages have hard crowd control or a tool to help them escape and they can mostly oneshot their opponent. Adc's are the only champs without on demand hard crowd control or self peel. So as an ADC kiting and Spacing are really important. But these two are really hard to learn so most ADC's end up in melee range and loose automaticly.
@@jorgesotolopez204 yeah that too. Champs that cant dash either have on demand crowd control, are a tank or a mage. Adc's have none of these. Thats why some People have started taking exhaust when the enemy team has a zed, katarina etc. There is a reason why Adc's like Samira and Ezreal and Cailyn are popular. Samira has defensive utility and a dash that resets, ezreal has Range and a blink and caitlyn has crowd control, a short dash and range. All of the popular Adc's are either safe to use or have the damage to oneshot enemies before the enemies one shot them. Jinx is another popular ADC and one of the only redeeming qualities of Jinx is that even tho her traps take a sec to activate they interrup dashes keeping her safe from all enemies that rely on a single dash to gap close like kha rengar etc. But even then its not great as she has to have pre-existing knowledge of the enemies position to stop them.
@@Crowned_Hearts I agree, except like in Cait, You have to predict quickly where and when put The trap, Even if u use E+W it's useless against Kata/zed or champs with Lot of MV, they can Dodge The trap easy. Buuut at least it gives u 1 chance to outplay unless you got oneshoted, cuz her combo it's not insta like Assassins do
Also when your teammates in low elo see you split push and take jungle camps as an adc, they are going to spam ping question marks on you and start freaking out. A lot of the macro stuff that high elo players use just simply doesn’t work in low elo, however the “what would tryndamere do” is very helpful to me 👌🏼
I hate how this game is just becoming “Don’t act like a team, just use your team as decoys because that’s all they’re good for.” And the most frustrating part is that it works. I miss this being a team game.
well it is a team game... just at higher levels were the team is competent enough to play together. It is really like any sport with a team. At a low level play in say basketball it is honestly just better for you to more or less play for yourself to get all of the baskets because if you are good enough you can easily dominate a game. You team is really just there to block the enemy players and maybe pass you the ball if they get the chance. It isn't until you actually get to a competent level of play that you need and actually can play as a team to win.
And this is what never happens, because support is with you all the time keep dying and denying solo XP OR the enemy team collapse at you in 1v4 and you die. OR top lane/jngl or somebody else is AFK. So on paper it sounds very good but never happens....
followed this and got a dub thanks. hopefully i can keep it consistent. i was just playin norms but i was just silver against a plat botlane and won so confidence boost
"if you wanna play adc good dont play as adc but as tryndamere" gotcha I'll do you one better I'll play like fiora and try to 1v1 that pesky jax in top that has been free farming since the beginning
If you are behind and you are getting all jungle resource, you are also putting you JG behind. Don't do this unless you JG is doing something else in the other side of the map.
Whenever you find yourself making a decision about where to go on the map, I want you to ask yourself, "What would Tryndamere do?" Then say, "I'm an ADC and it sounds awful to face a Tryndamere!" and do something else.
This is really irrelevant if you consider its impossible to get a low elo team NOT to fight at any given time. They are fighting with or without you. You could literally be hitting the nexus and still get flamed for not showing up to a full teamfight over the skuttlebug that died 2 minutes ago.
this explains a little why as a top laner going into adc, i feel pretty comfortable, also most bot laners play SUPER passive compared to top laners, they don't push counter picks or mechanical advantages to hard, so it's really easy to "lose gracefully" as they say and let yourself get carried.
Amazing guide. I feel almost unbeatable botlane , given my support starts roaming. But I can always be toxic to make my supp leave bot 10/10 , already made 2 division tiers with that strat in 2 days with a 80% winrate
Okay, noted. But what do you do when the enemy bot lane continues to push bot instead of grouping? What do you do when the enemy continuously dives you to keep you out of the game? Then, you’re 0/6 and your team is flaming you and saying “bot diff”
I am glad that he said if his team is ahead just group. If you don't, most likely than not, they will try to push their advantage in a 4v5 fail get frustrated or worse and continue doing it even after being behind.
Funny because in another video, it says as an adc you don't want to lose mid since it's so vital to map control and vision. Just goes to show how dynamic a game league is
In low elo this wont always work because if you take jungle camp and if you dont group there is a big chance that your team start to troll or flame. One game I did take the golems and the jungler was mad and started to take bot lane cs. This happen very often. One last example when I solo pushed bot lane as adc and the enemy bot lane was mid killed my mid laner, and he was so mad that he decide to follow me all game long until we lose. This technique might work in gold and platinum but below this, people's mental are too weak.
the biggest issue i run into is while waiting for the wave to bounce back to my side, my jungler will just hijack the wave mid-push and take that farm instead. this usually ends up in them over extending and dying half the time, or starving me of farm.
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ok thats a great video and i dont want to act toxic but you completely inted at 10:33, you couldve definitely get a double kill if you played it correctly
where varus? he is that bad???
@@krystians2016 varus can literally 1v1 anyone so he can splitpush and participate in teamfights, the champ is just that broken
Experience is the best teacher
@@plague0 If Malz had ult, he was 100% dead. Flashing was definitely the right answer. Its better to let a kill go than it is to give the enemy another kill when you're already behind. The loss of farming time and pressure wouldn't balance out even if he ended up getting the kill and dying in the process. Especially if you've reset gold by killing someone.
Instructions unclear, went ADC Tryndamere and got flamed
I mean he is adc technically, wherever you take him
he is meele adc like yasuo
Bro xddd
VAyne is also top laner. so.... it works....
Lol
You forgot the most important part. If you are in Low Elo and you touch any of the jungle camps, make sure to mute the jungler!
fax haha
Truer words have never been spoken.
note how, when he did chickens and kha came to the camp, he didnt steal the big one, instead he took just the small ones and left the big one to kha.
This is what you should do if you see the jungler, not contesting against him, in that case jungler would be 100% in the right to tilt, take his bot waves or smth like that...
When i play jgl i only mind if the support is taking camps for no reason, when i play as an ADC and i take a camp the junglers just mass ping me lol
I did this in 3 games and the Jungler followed me around and smited all the cannons
"We have Baron, what would Tryndamere do? We don't group, we split!"
His team's Tryndamere: **casually walks mid lane to siege**
Hahaha I noticed that too
personally i feel like all thats going on here is he is replacing the top laners role as the split pusher meanwhile they top laner takes the ad carrys role as the grouper, you cant have 3 split pushers in games so its a bit weird.
@@csgotrainingbot2160 not even. Most of the time when he was splitting bot Trynd was splitting top. Half of these plays wouldnt be possible is tryndamere wasnt doing what he does best: splitting
@@sleepyheartss fair, i didnt really look at mini map much, the general sentiment i was going for was that you have solo lanes split push, so in this case he replaced the mid laner
It's low elo tho. i used to mod for the #1 trynd (at the time) and he always insisted SPLIT SPLIT SPLIT and only very rarely tf
While I agree this strategy works. You forgot the part where you go to split and every time you arrive at the minions your team starts a 4v5 fight and loses. Rinse and repeat until they type in chat “ADC never at team fight!!!” “Just Report Ashe”
Literally, this doesn't work in 95% of games in anything bellow plat 4 lol
as an Ashe otp, i can feel that...
Sadly this strategy can not be used in low elo because brain cells are not found
but if you teamfought while behind you lose anyway
I HATE IT WHEN THEY DO THIS
A few issues with this strategy, A) your support tends to just stick by your side and leech your exp. B) Your teammates will ping and troll if you don't group and call you out. C) The ennemy team will just group mid and brute force their way to the inhibs if 2 of you are splitting, killing your allies on the way, getting 2+ turrets and objs.
I agree with A and B, but honestly, how often does C happen in plat below
People in lower elo love chasing kills and most of the time, don't hesitate to chase the over extended person split pushing on the side
@@redrosewick pretty often?
@@cherno8336 I pretty much always win vs split pushers. Jg main here.
Edit. The real problem is people giving up. In his video his teammates are still trying. Which is the only real problem in low ranks. People give up.
B is irrelevant, winning is more important than your teams opinion, A you just have to tell them what you're doing and usually it fixes the problem
A) I ask them nicely to help out the more useful team members while I soak exp and gold alone while creating some pressure. If they don't, that's really on them and not you. This has never ever been an issue. Although probably one in 200 games you might get a support like this.
B) These kinds of players will inevitably be in your teams. These kinds of players will find some reason to tilt over, no matter what you do. Like if you did group with them, and then obviously died because you had no items and exp, they would ping you anyway and claim AD diff. How is that scenario any better than doing something useful and being flamed over it? Why would you want to do the wrong play, just to get a different flavor of flame from your team?
C) Okay this sucks for sure. How is it going to be any different if you were there with your boots and half an item, 5 levels behind? Like in this scenario where the enemy steamrolls that hard through your team, what do you do as an ADC if you aren't really fed and ahead? What is the better alternative, than trying to get back into the game while possibly tricking some K/D player into trying to catch you?
Like see how all of your arguments against this tactic, take unwinnable situations where you have zero agency one way or the other, and try to use those as issues against this strategy? Sure like all of your three points are situations where this tactic for getting back into the game won't work. But sometimes team difference is just too big for you to impact it. This is still the best strategy for getting back into the game and winning a lost game. If it works even 30% of the time to turn a loss into a win, it's still going to raise your hard stuck 50/50 winrate into 65/35 until you climb as a result.
"Remember, what would Tryndamere do? He would run bot and push"
Tryndamere in that game: ARAM MID FIGHT 4V5 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Literally! There is always that one point mid/late game where somebody pushed the button to turn it into ARAM mode, it’s like a party over there in mid
Step 1: Mute all
Step 2: Don't Stop Farming
Step 3: Missing 3 enemy on minimap or overpush = Recall
Failure to do step 1 will lead to being tilted. Jungle will complain for taking his jungle and others for not joining the suicide party.
wYm mute ?
lol I DA jus sTarted playin
@@doublea9412/mute all mutes the team so you don’t hear pings or chat
Jungle camps mid-late game are often left because objectives and team fights the strategy is that even if your team lacks common skill or are just simply out scaled by enemy team you are the only hope because of most ADCs great wave control/clear and in the tier list good mobility .
ste 4: Get insta from Rengar's Ult. Worst part, His ultimate cooldown lower than your Resurrection time.
Ah, yes the adc split tactic. What happens in low Elo is either the supports comes to you to steal exp or your team fights in mid 4vs5 before flaming you for not being there.
You can split all you want but if your team is dead and the enemy is reaching your inhib you are kinda forced to come back.
Or, you continue to split to bot tear 3 while enemy is taking nexus.
Tbf you need to shot call a bunch. even if people tend to be less responsive to shot calls the lower Elo you go, the communication even with just simple pings definitely gives you an edge.
In losing streak yeah that's what happend, but not in wining streak or in normal streak, and there you can and you have to not be the one that will downgrade the team %chances of winrate, otherwise you will be under 50% winrate on your account.
In losing streak it will be dead yeah, you just can't win all but you can trust your allies on wining streak and apply this strategy.
@@MrCorando Im gold and i was expecting gold players to at least be a bit more reasonable u know but every time you ping them they either dont listen or they will flame you for pinging silver/bronze/gold are basically the same gameplay over and over in macro what changes is simply the micro gameplay skills
another one that has no concept of the benefit of consistency. The video doesn't promise 100% win rate. The video doesn't say you'll carry every game and WHO THE HELL are these people that CARE about being flamed and don't mute chat?!?!?!?! that's a big reason you can't climb anyways. If your team is dead and the enemy is taking your inhib with 4, can you stop them by yourself anyways? then it doesn't matter. AND if this strategy wasn't more consistent than traditional adc playstyles, challengers wouldn't be using it whenever they climb through the low elo ranks. Do you not understand that in the few cases where your support comes to you to steal exp or your team loses the fight, then you lose the game? look even if you're so good you have a 60% WR, which is climbing very quickly, out of 200 games you still lost 80 of them. 80 is a shit ton of games to lose. Strategies don't just omit the games you're going to lose. They give you a way to more consistently carry games and just because using a strategy means that you can still lose the game doesn't mean it's a bad strategy. You don't know more than the challengers making the video. Complaining about how you can still lose when implementing the strategy they use to carry is just ignorance. If you were as good and knowledgeable as them you would be challenger too.
@@tyrgarion2730 TL;DR
Yes this strategy is real, that's why I've always loved self sufficient adc champs. The only issue I see is, you need to recognize when your team won't take advantage of the strategy and take every 4v5 expecting you to be there because they don't even know where you are on the map
I've always wondered what I'm doing wrong that prevents me from consistently carrying games as an ADC. This video helped me understand that, that is beyond my control. Thank you so much for this wonderful video!
You can't do nothing if your team keeps fighting for nothing while you're trying to farm and play the right way
I can't wait to try this! :D
As a main support, the "it's never my fault" mindset now makes you a true adc
@@Escalusfr LMAO
@@Escalusfr Eh, sometimes I fuck up and do assume the mistake haha
oh man i cant wait to start using this strat in my low elo games and have all my teammates start flaming and reporting me for not grouping. then start inting themselves and ffing.
Yes this will not work. I hate ADC’s who solo push and give up every team fight.
@@Robdawg-db4wg well happens a lot the team ignores completly the adc split pushing and scalling... Then they can 1v9 and is the adc fault for not being so ahead like him...
@@Robdawg-db4wg this would work if y'all didn't think about adc as lifeless dps bots but whatever, you're totally right by all means, definitely
Feeding the opposing adc then split pushing is literally how you troll your team. ADC’s also aren’t the greatest at split pushing because they get caught out a lot. This is a troll strategy.
@@Robdawg-db4wg okay high elo adc main
this is actually what i'm doing. been stuck in low plat for a while now, and i usually think: killing the tower is faster as running to mid with the chance of my team being already dead when i arrive.
One of the biggest improvements you can make to your game will be to never react to fights unless they are extremely close to you and you have a 80%+ chance of success. Just keep in mind teammates will flame you for playing correctly so be prepared to mute them.
@@skillcapped if I can ask a question. Because I kept thinking to myself: what am I doing wrong? Because my mechanics are pretty decent from playing these kinds of games before. Not challenger level, but definetly diamond i think. But I always thought that the lack of coordination in plat was holding me back. Plus the coinflip supports and ofc I play bad too sometimes. Will it be better at the higher ranks? Because the adc role just really spoke to me because of the actual role it has in the team, and this is kind of solo bolo gameplay even though I am thankful for the tips.
I do this quite a lot in my games as well, but I might be doing something wrong as I mainly play jinx and Jhin, which are in C-tier XD
@@skillcapped it is not about flaming, it is about them griefing the game if you do something that does not make them happy, especially in plat
@@skillcapped :( ohmygod
As a ADC main who solo queued to diamond can confirm this works. The best part is most supports typically ditch you when you lose lane, so it actually makes this strategy a lot easier. And even if the enemy bot lane stays and 2v1's you, play for just wave clear. They are dedicating 2 of their fed players to deal with one feeding player. 👍
Won't work in Masters and challenger when you try to split against a fed top like Fiora, Riven, or aatrox who red trinket bottom bush and wait for you to split push.
Or try to run away against a fed Nocturne, hecarim, or rammus.
As a jg main who got to diamond in 4 promos i can confirm any time an adc tries this against us they go 2/14
Pls make this same type of video but for other lanes. Not everyone can split and splitting mid is close to impossible so im interested in seeing other lanes explained
There are a lot of mid laners that can split push if need be
@@Ninjer well yea but theres only so many lanes that can be split pushed. And if everyone on the team tries doing it, it clearly wont work
It's funny because until this video, I was consistently hating on midlaners for not leaving mid after first bot tower falls and letting me (ADC) mid. I think that if you go to a sidelane, ADCs will really be grateful most of the time lol.
Also, if they're actually splitting, they're bound to draw people towards them, no? You can take that time to invade/collapse/do stuff mid. If everyone stays mid, your splitpushers will do the work for you
You are Tryndamere.
@@scammer9348 good pressure means the 2 side lanes being pushed by the top lanerand jng/mid (whoever has more mobility)
and the other 3 should generally try to get mid or objs.
pressure works best when the whole team applies at the same time.
i'll make the point that sivir is quite good at this as well. she's got insane wave clear and can keep those side lanes constantly pushed out quickly
yep and you can ult your wave in a lot of scenarios, i've won games just by doing this on sivir, while shes op, teamfighting with her can be rough
i don't think Sivir is the best 1v1 ADC, especially when behind where as tristana and vayne can do it if they have mythics
@@tranducquang5912 You don't have to 1v1 anyone for this strat to work
The problem is that though she is independent in laning phase she is crap in chaotic skirmishes and it's very rare to get the front to back tf she thrives in, her spell shield is strong early on but is not great self peel later
I'd love to learn a similar strategy that can be executed by the champs that aren't so good at "thinking like tryndamere".
Jhin main here
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Yeah, this sounded great until I remembered that I’m a Jinx main.
Varus main here, my champ wasn't even on the tier list! D:
What I actually do as a ADC and especially love doing this as Sivir. My god she can clear those waves in a instant with Kraken, PD and IE. Most of the time leads me to the one with the highest lvl and 150-200+ cs difference. Won so many games just by splitting or randomly grouping ending in me doing so hard damage that we win a full teamfight.
From this video I went from bronze 3 to almost b1 in a day. I know it’s just bronze but still insanely helpful.
I noticed you guys have someone in the comments replying to some questions/comments - very nice of you! Of course getting replies more often is a member-exclusive feature as it should be, but a little interaction and advice for all the free viewers on RUclips is super cool!
I love how this is basically a guide for „how to play toplane/tryndamere“. Like 90% of the video explains how i farm as top main myself (despite beeing in low elo)
- ADC Splitpushes
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One of my favorite things to do as a jg is to "pull out a trynda".
Get into a sidelane, push, collect wave and jg camps, reset like a splitpusher. It is gold for me, pressure on the map, only do it when there are no laners doing it.
Kinda like a "Fine. I will do it myself" moment.
I play WW btw
A fellow ww enjoyer! Hello there
If you watch Broxah you'll see him do something similar all the time 😁
Fellow WW enjoyer 🤗 I swear that good boi was responsible for teaching me the mechanics of ganking when I was new to the game, very fun champ at all ranks
i love how at 13:20 "what would tryndamere do?" -> pannning to tryndamere fighting in midlane xD
This is great advice until I get spam pinged and reported for not helping in the guaranteed death team fight
A better alternative is just push when you can then group, with the tempo advantage you can force things with players advantage
I love how a Challenger is explaining this exact problem early game. When I try to tell my jungler that it's not my fault I'm 1/4, that it's the supports fault, i always get flamed for being a bad ADC. What they didn't see is my support hiding behind me, letting the enemy team constantly poke and harass me without helping, never using spells to poke or peel or heal. The skill of the support wins or loses lane, ADC skill wins or loses game. If I have a horrible support player, I'm now 1v3 instead of 1v1.
I should add I'm a Trist OTP. I love how safe she is when split pushing. She melts towers especially if you take hullbreaker and demolish. Her jump with resets and ult make it easy to keep enemies off you, her burst is great if only one person comes to stop your push, and the e waveclear is pretty fast.
I think what makes it obvious if your bad or good on an adc is if you rotate for dragons. A smart adc will always want to keep that buff out of the enemies hands and in their own. If it’s uncontested and I need help bursting it down and you are too busy with plates than it’s safe to say you are not a good adc. You can always go back to killing minions, you can’t alway have that 5% dps boost from infernal drake.
@@shibaraccoon8740that depends on the enemy, for example if we just kill bot lane and also the jg. I will go for some plates, the sup can help the jg. And I get some extra gold so I can continue carrying the game. In other situations yes I try to push fast and go with the support to help our jgand kill the dragon fast. It depends on the situation.
Wow this Video was so god damn good i jumped from Silver 2 to Platinum 2 thanks
FINALLY A GOOD ADC GUIDE.
Again, credit where it's due.
THIS IS WHAT MAKES ADC'S CLIMB FROM BEHIND.
Stop flaming your adc's for split pushing.
Maybe reconsider playing aram, or at least queue up for that mode instead if you'd rather turn your brain off and take random 4v5's.
Yes, except the ones on my team forget the step where there are moths and get themselves killed. I think they have their map & pings turned off.
Hey ARAM takes skills too :P
I always splitpush but this guide emphasizes map awareness and teammate awareness which instantly made me better and my teammates flame me less because I actually get towers now (at least in the last 7 games)
B-But, how am I going to stay bronze ?
I'm an Ashe one-trick and I discovered huge portions of this strat on my own down here in bronze and went 9 wins 1 loss on my placements this season by playing like this. Ashe E is super powerful for split pushing safely with the level of jungle tracking you can do with it. I know I'm a filthy bronzie, but I'd rate her way higher than you did for this on the merits of her E being useful for map tracking and long-range R being useful for contributing to far away fights.
I split push often and avoid teamfights (as adc )that i cant make it to before they start. I get even when behind using the strategies i see here. I then look to help the team. Ive never considered not going to help once im even or being willing to die for pressure to keep up in other lanes. Ill try that this next week. Ive had your service in the past but gained not a single rank so i dropped it. I still appreciate the quality of the presentation though. This strategy is interesting so ill try it.
Funny how i was intuitively trying to implement this in my adc gameplay but felt guilty about it. Now i will be happy to do it :)
Probably one of the best vids ive seen for adcs. Alteast this is an honest review about the role and how little urgency you have on the map.
I'm sorry but I do have to point this out. The decision not to group after baron is so terribly bad it almost invalidates the whole video by itself. They were doing what they were supposed to after a baron kill, and the decision not to group and have your team dying when it was an easy win (you were already stronger than everyone else) and losing the baron buff for a couple of waves that achieved nothing is baffling. For some reason the enemy team decides to die 1 by 1 after that fight and that alone decided their fate, not the split pushing decision. The irony of it is when you ask "what would tryndamere do?" he is actually on the teamfight. At most, he should be pushing, not you. 13:15
I'm actually going to try this, ty moth sensei
Flap your wings little one
Honestly my first and biggest advise as an adc main would be to just do what you think is right and not what your team thinks is right. What I mean is that you don't usually have to rotate on different lanes, help on drake inearly game etc. even if your team pings the hell out of you.
If the team has better macro than you this becomes a terrible decision
Finally a guide that just isn't telling players that: "Your role is the strongest late game, and you have agency. Just get good and carry"
Honestly, the split-pushing example is kinda harsh to perform on some ADCs, but, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, playing dirty is the only way you'll be having any impact on the game as an ADC most of the time.
I remember an exact situation like this before, top got camped and I got support gapped to shit. Enemy team went mid and top and I was just splitting as Sivir. Cue in my jungler flaming me saying: "Just group, you noob. Don't you know you're better in teamfights?" and I just said "Just don't fucking fight then, innit? Just defend mid and be a nuisance to the enemy". Jungler actually asked me: "How?" and I replied "By killing minions, Mr Tarzan, did you spend that much time in the jungle that you forgot what those are? Don't try killing the enemy, just clear the waves"
Surely enough, I was a level up on the enemy ADC and 1.5k gold. Of course, this was during plat, it's a bir harder to do in D+
You managed to write allthat in-game without getting killed...twice?
@@ante2409 Sivir W it the best spell in the game, it allows me to flame people in chat while I farm.
Sivir truly is one of the champions of all time
Everytime I play bot lane I don't really leave my lane except for drag until I destroy a turret
what would tryndamere do? Activating R and not dying! What does an adc? Loosing a 1v1 against a supp xD
Man I remember i once solo’d a splitpushing adc as morgana supp, we were equal in gold. Being an adc main myself i felt bad for the guy but shit was so funny
@@Ninjer yeah I am adc main and lost a 1v1 against Leona uff
Tried it with vayne. Team got mad, died 4v5 constantly, I didn't even reach mid turret before the game ended. It might help but srsly, some guys are so good at losing, that the games feel like 3v7s.
I wish my games had more such clear situations. 80% of the time while being behind I have hard times finding opportunities to split, because we're rarely the ones in pressure, at least pushing back free farm from the towers allows to gain some gold.
P.S - you forgot one advice - if you clear jungle camps in low elo - make sure your jungler doesn't see you, otherwise you will get flamed (and probably reported by him)
Late game it shouldn’t really matter, jungle and minion farm is open to everyone at that point.
I like this strat. Although, it doesn't fix the issue that if our team is losing so hard that there's never any pressure anywhere on the map, there's nothing you can do safely. As is so common in low elo.
It also doesnt account for if the other ADC has the same strat.
17-20 mins in both ADC's are farming trying to split push at bot lane, neither have left the lane except to roam for kills.
What happens when the enemy team sends 2-3 people to push your sidelane and your team doesn't send anyone to defend while you are splitpushing?
You cry, finish pushing the wave, recall to defend (clear waves not engage ofc) and spam ping objective hopefully on the other side of the map
Or if you can't stop them (in time) anyway, you assess if you're in any danger and if not, stay on the opposite site, keep pushing, preferably take a turret in return while they take the turret/inhib anyway most likely. Happens a lot after 4 of your teammates die. They will ping you to defend the inhib 1v4/5, which is likely not possible anyway so you should keep pushing and get something in return.
you only stop splitpushing if someone comes to defend your splitpush
There is definitely a more niche/advanced scenario, but it still operates on the same fundamental. First, ask if you can even defend their push if you recall. If the answer is no, then you know to keep split pushing. If you can defend, then ask if they will take more than what you'll take if you keep splitting. For example, if you continue splitting would take 1 tower, but they'd take 1 tower and 1 inhibitor, and you know you can prevent that if you recall, well then recall. The vast majority of the time though split pushing will be the correct decision.
@@skillcapped this! too many player just recall to defend just to stagger deaths. Play chess not checkers. It's ok to give up structures and farm instead of dying by yourself or with a half ass defense.
actually i tried following the video and what you are telling happened to me in the last games. I just got flamed for no reason xd. I told the team that is stupid making tf for nothing and it's not worth die meanwhile i could take a tower instead. then flamed me xd i got sick of this game, really
Actually, for climbing, adc is my best role. Because I find it the most fun to play and don't want to play another role :)
And if you don't have fun, why play.
But that's just my perspective
Very true, the most fun will always be the best way to play the game :D
But not in ranked I do agree with you to just have fun but people in ranked think winning is the only way to have fun.
@@might_y Do you mean I should not have fun in ranked? Or what are you saying?
I think something has been lost in translation xD
@@vincentvindevogel2368 I'm saying that if you want to have fun then go play classic, people take rank serious. Well is what they say.
@@might_y How about I do both?
I play 4 fun in normals, which means that I might go dumbass builds or take zed support with friends.
And I try to have fun in ranked.
Having fun does not mean inting last time I checked.
Going 20/2 on Twitch and doing more dmg than the rest of your team combined is fun to me.
There is a difference between playing and having fun and playing 4 fun.
And despite me being plat with ~80 games/year I don't believe I int, my win-rate would agree with that.
And it's true that I could probaby win 5% more games if I play a role that isn't adc, but ~68% seems fine to me.
If others can't live with that, they should look inwards and do some self reflection.
If a single win or loss matters that much to you, you have issues that are not in the slightest related to league, and that is not my problem at all.
It's a game, and you're meant to have fun playing it.
If you're not having fun or playing the game for a living, you should quit the game, that's not a suggestion, that's advice.
It’s not only F for Flash for me, but that it also makes more sense to have Smite or the other summoner spells closer to the rest of my abilities that I use more frequently. They’re all close together while Flash is the farthest away cause it’s different and i don’t have it as often.
They're both touching your other abilities on the keyboard.
I love when my 0 7 perma split teammate starts taking my buffs, it's actually very motivating on me pressing yes on the next vote, ngl
Love the guide!! But I'd argue for Jinx to be one tier higher. If she can actually take a tower while she's splitting she has insane potential to take following waves and towers, and she gets a huge boost to her attack and move speed on takedown.
but she severely lacks on mobility, even with the tower speed buff. It's not enough to prevent an ahole jgl from just easily catching you. Especially cause most junglers have a lot of mobility
@skillcapped I've never seen this kind of adc video, thank you so much for this
update on this strat: you will get camped by nocturne, even if there is a 4v4 fight happening around dragon. The nocturne will NOT leave you alone, and possibly make you want to uninstall the game
Yes but that’s where you have to adapt to the draft. If they have 2 assassins, you almost never want to side lane because they will kill you almost every single time on a wave
Great info thanks man!
Also loved your moths analogy 🤣🤣
For anyone wondering how good this works - been doing this since mid s4 when i started to main adc after playing toplaner - it just went naturally to try to push out safe lanes for more gold and just hope your team doesnt throw
so I am normally a support main, got stuck in adc role with a pretty terrible supp who wanted me to shove the wave all game. mid game and beyond, i was following this guide to the letter in spite of my team yelling at me all game and me explaining what i was doing whenever i died. Suffice to say, the enemy team made some very poor calls and we won the game decisively after one teamfight over baron buff.
Think your jungler hates you
But when is the right time to help your teem in a team fight?
If they fight around the dragon, and are going to loose, will you continue to push botlane? Or is it better to prevent 4 dead teammates and a dragon for the enemy team?
Just one addition: if at least one of your teammates is fed enough, grouping can give better odds at winning because you can peel for them by being a walking HP bar
You dont have hp playing adc lmao
@@naonerfemoasol.9336 You just saved your fed Riven 1 AA worth of hp!!!!
@@douwemusic But she could just press goredrinker and become unkillable
@@naonerfemoasol.9336 True. But at least your dmg won't look as bad if you get off 1 AA or ability
@@douwemusic If you have a fed riven they don't need to team fight and hard group all game. If anything they would want to continue being a side lane monster because champions like Riven excel in the 1v1. Riven is a decent team fighter as well but why would you risk a team fight when you could play side and get further ahead drawing pressure or straight up turret diving and winning the 1v1. Your example is an oxymoron because a fed riven will want to split push and dominate in the 1v1 trying to draw more people to answer her while her team pressures in other lanes. Let's play devil's advocate though and say she groups. If you are behind as an ADC her autos will already do multiple times the amount of dmg 1 of yours does. A riven with Gore + Black Cleaver + DD will do infinitely more dmg than an ADC who only has galeforce and a zeal + T2 boots.
13:42 extremely well balanced 😂😂
Well, what do you do if you are the varus? Varus isn't even on the tier list. I play varus and usually get leads in lane in Plat. Half of the time we somehow manage to throw the game
Ty skillcapped i got a 1v5 pentakill cuz of this strat
So what about the impact to your teams jungler? by looking at the time stamps it looked like you stole 5+ friendly jungle camps pre 20 min and that CS cant be replaced by lane minions due to monster hunter. In one of the tabs you showed later it looked like the jungler on your team was way under leveled and thousands of gold behind. I get trying to solo carry, but I feel like this strat is toxic as it just forces your jungle to be underleveled and super weak because the plan is to take all his camps?
respect . if i am this kha. i prefer lose then win with adc like that
I'm curious too but I guess it depends on what champion is the JGler playing, if it's a tank or whatever ADC should be excused to take the camps as they scale way harder and have much higher chance of carrying later on but if it's someone like Kindred then I don't know honestly.
For those questioning the legitimacy of this concept, I am a Season 11 Vayne Main that climbed up to Masters 300ish LP using this strategy myself.
Methodology works, but as explained in the video, it takes both good macro and precise map awareness to pull it off. Also no missing a single minion or cannons.
You would typically use this strat when you have a bad lane/bad support.
Back in Season 11, you could continue pushing the wave even if someone were to send someone to defend if you were both mechanically and physically strong enough to outplay and kill the defender.
Not every game you should perma-split push even after you come back though. Once you reach your power-spike as Vayne, most times back in Season 11 it was more optimal for me to have to group and solo carry teamfights. This also requires good mechanics and can make things dicey, but it's converting from making 100% guaranteed plays/0% fail to making 70% guaranteed/30% fail plays. Even if you reached your power-spike but your damage is still meaningless, then you go back to split-pushing, so be flexible/adaptable to what's happening in your games!
Playing again after quitting for 2 years today, I've noticed that it's harder to kill the defender and it would be more optimal to play the safer route and take enemy camps or rotate into fights/picks instead. Happy climbing!
As an evelynn main I approve of this strategy and urge every adc main to try it out
my book needs more pages.
This comment is highly suspicious as a split pushing Jinx main, but I'll trust it
i did this with sivir. i didn’t know this strategy was a thing so i just thought sivir and static shiv was good. i literal afk shove and somehow went from hardstuck s2 for many years to hitting gold 4 for the first time ever. i’m pretty amazed
"Blame the Support."
Adc player guide.
TBF in low elo it's both correct and incorrect to blame the support. Correct in that the majority of low elo supports jerk off the whole game and don't attempt to do anything proactive or productive. Incorrect in that you are doing a lot wrong as an ADC in low elo in your positioning, farming, laning skill, knowing when to recall, map awareness and where the enemy jungler is likely to path next.
As a support main, I think I can say the skill difference between a good adc and a bad one is sooooo apparent by level 2 you can tell what your Laning phase is going to look like. They will either decide to eat every hook naut throws at them or they will know how to use the minions to guard themselves
@@mathewerenberger7275 By lvl 2 your typical low-elo adc is usually 0-3 or 3-0
Just Got flamea 2games ago that im useless piece of Shit as mundo Supp while i was 13/1 with Supp settup
@KowiKowi bro I was LiliaSupp. 0/0/31 and people still mad lol
there's one thing that this guide haven't mention yet, is that in low elo when ur teamate realize ur the strongest member on the team they tend to brainlessly group with u. So try to tell them ur plan when u split. And if they don't listen then ur screw.
Me: We are not a jinx adc. We are tryndamere. What should we do.
Also me: flash's into center of team as dropping e and hitting R then proceeds to watch grey screen confused.
First vid i saw in skill cap before youtube
But what happens when the enemy comp is made to hunt you? Like has a lot of engage and some burst / scaling?
Real Talk ur probably just die a lot
What you just described is just the pain of playing the ADC role in general. In my testing this is the best strategy against those comps since you can play strong duelists with self-peel like Vayne/Tristana and then look to isolate 1v1s instead of having to deal with an entire team in teamfights diving you.
You cant win them all. Had a fed enemy rengar recently who one shot me in less then a half second 0.32 and once it even said 0.00 😂 there you can just group and hope your team kills him afterwards.
It's why you play based on the map. Low ELO is so bad at matching sidelane, you'll usually see enough of them elsewhere on the map sooner rather than later
This is the strategy I think. You avoid them like the plague and make sure they are not on the same side of the map as you
In the tier list, you forgot to mention Varus unless I’m blind. Where would he be put on the list? He can clear waves pretty fast with his Q and passive, his E and ult are solid peel options, and again with his passive giving him extra Attack Speed every time he kills an enemy (champion, minion, monster, and I believe turrets but not sure about that one).
All Melee champs want to be in melee range so spacing isnt as important. All Mages have hard crowd control or a tool to help them escape and they can mostly oneshot their opponent. Adc's are the only champs without on demand hard crowd control or self peel. So as an ADC kiting and Spacing are really important. But these two are really hard to learn so most ADC's end up in melee range and loose automaticly.
And kiting / spacing is so hard when they have champs that can run 420+ MV, closegaps habilities and even invulnerability to cc
@@jorgesotolopez204 yeah that too. Champs that cant dash either have on demand crowd control, are a tank or a mage. Adc's have none of these. Thats why some People have started taking exhaust when the enemy team has a zed, katarina etc. There is a reason why Adc's like Samira and Ezreal and Cailyn are popular. Samira has defensive utility and a dash that resets, ezreal has Range and a blink and caitlyn has crowd control, a short dash and range. All of the popular Adc's are either safe to use or have the damage to oneshot enemies before the enemies one shot them. Jinx is another popular ADC and one of the only redeeming qualities of Jinx is that even tho her traps take a sec to activate they interrup dashes keeping her safe from all enemies that rely on a single dash to gap close like kha rengar etc. But even then its not great as she has to have pre-existing knowledge of the enemies position to stop them.
@@Crowned_Hearts I agree, except like in Cait, You have to predict quickly where and when put The trap, Even if u use E+W it's useless against Kata/zed or champs with Lot of MV, they can Dodge The trap easy.
Buuut at least it gives u 1 chance to outplay unless you got oneshoted, cuz her combo it's not insta like Assassins do
@@Crowned_Hearts Actually, MF and Jhin are no. 2 and 5 most played in Bronze+. Samira is no. 7 after Sivir (who has ult to run)
@@jorgesotolopez204 buuuut Caitlyn does have more leeway with her range
Also when your teammates in low elo see you split push and take jungle camps as an adc, they are going to spam ping question marks on you and start freaking out. A lot of the macro stuff that high elo players use just simply doesn’t work in low elo, however the “what would tryndamere do” is very helpful to me 👌🏼
I hate how this game is just becoming “Don’t act like a team, just use your team as decoys because that’s all they’re good for.” And the most frustrating part is that it works. I miss this being a team game.
well it is a team game... just at higher levels were the team is competent enough to play together. It is really like any sport with a team. At a low level play in say basketball it is honestly just better for you to more or less play for yourself to get all of the baskets because if you are good enough you can easily dominate a game. You team is really just there to block the enemy players and maybe pass you the ball if they get the chance. It isn't until you actually get to a competent level of play that you need and actually can play as a team to win.
Because it's soloQ, it's all in the name. If you try to play as a team in soloQ you're fucked. It works for clash or 5 premade flex or for pros.
But what if everygame enemys roam botlane bc they pick assasins 90% of the time and bot drake / are always covered so i cant get the tower
And this is what never happens, because support is with you all the time keep dying and denying solo XP OR the enemy team collapse at you in 1v4 and you die. OR top lane/jngl or somebody else is AFK. So on paper it sounds very good but never happens....
You can tell your supp to f off, usually they listen
followed this and got a dub thanks. hopefully i can keep it consistent. i was just playin norms but i was just silver against a plat botlane and won so confidence boost
"if you wanna play adc good dont play as adc but as tryndamere" gotcha
I'll do you one better I'll play like fiora and try to 1v1 that pesky jax in top that has been free farming since the beginning
Pesky lil jax im comin for you........
If you are behind and you are getting all jungle resource, you are also putting you JG behind. Don't do this unless you JG is doing something else in the other side of the map.
Whenever you find yourself making a decision about where to go on the map, I want you to ask yourself, "What would Tryndamere do?" Then say, "I'm an ADC and it sounds awful to face a Tryndamere!" and do something else.
Best content I’ve seen! Skill Capped is an excellence!
This is really irrelevant if you consider its impossible to get a low elo team NOT to fight at any given time. They are fighting with or without you. You could literally be hitting the nexus and still get flamed for not showing up to a full teamfight over the skuttlebug that died 2 minutes ago.
Always easy when you can pick a 1v9 late game adc and farm 9cs per minute. Kind of useless for actually low elo players...
ur basically just ask us to play vayne top lmao
this explains a little why as a top laner going into adc, i feel pretty comfortable, also most bot laners play SUPER passive compared to top laners, they don't push counter picks or mechanical advantages to hard, so it's really easy to "lose gracefully" as they say and let yourself get carried.
Amazing guide.
I feel almost unbeatable botlane , given my support starts roaming.
But I can always be toxic to make my supp leave bot
10/10 , already made 2 division tiers with that strat in 2 days with a 80% winrate
So, how to act if playing a 'c-tier' champ, such as Jhin? Split but engage in more team fights??
Ok got it so when your behind just fuck over your jungler and also put them behind. Great video !!
Okay, noted. But what do you do when the enemy bot lane continues to push bot instead of grouping? What do you do when the enemy continuously dives you to keep you out of the game? Then, you’re 0/6 and your team is flaming you and saying “bot diff”
after quitting the rift for years, I think what I need is some aram tips.
I tried this in bronze..... got flamed and my team ran it down so hard that there was nothing I could do and my split pushing didn't do anything
you cant send a high elo player into low elo to prove this works. that just doesnt make sense. the high elo will shit on low elo regardless.
Mostly gonna vs dou bot with your first time support. Adc life
I am glad that he said if his team is ahead just group. If you don't, most likely than not, they will try to push their advantage in a 4v5 fail get frustrated or worse and continue doing it even after being behind.
Funny because in another video, it says as an adc you don't want to lose mid since it's so vital to map control and vision. Just goes to show how dynamic a game league is
Where would Nilah fit on this tier list?
THIS HELPED ME A LOT THANIKS
THANKS ALOT MA MAN IT WORKED FOR ME SURE TOOK A WHILE BUT ITS GREAT
In low elo this wont always work because if you take jungle camp and if you dont group there is a big chance that your team start to troll or flame. One game I did take the golems and the jungler was mad and started to take bot lane cs. This happen very often. One last example when I solo pushed bot lane as adc and the enemy bot lane was mid killed my mid laner, and he was so mad that he decide to follow me all game long until we lose. This technique might work in gold and platinum but below this, people's mental are too weak.
the biggest issue i run into is while waiting for the wave to bounce back to my side, my jungler will just hijack the wave mid-push and take that farm instead. this usually ends up in them over extending and dying half the time, or starving me of farm.
Very useful ! Thank you :)
ty guys leaned alot
me, a rengar otp, loves this advice.