This video is great! After tying the double fisherman’s I like to thread two rap rings over the single loop before tying the over hand knots so that you can repel or climb using just the anchor and no extra carabiners.
This was awesome, thanks! Is it imperative that the knots are precisely equal distance apart/centered? One of mine is about an inch closer to the middle than the other. I figured the tension forces would be the same regardless and the carabiners being opposite and opposed is more important.
ruclips.net/video/Hfn21EzAHgU/видео.html I added HowNOTtoHIGHLINE's Quad break test video for some references on strength. Some good comments about double v triple Fisherman's knots have been made. Feel free to check what a 6 mm quad's break strength is and at 15:40 you'll see his test of the line and double fisherman's. Enjoy!
Thanks Nicholas for your input. I'd never shy away from telling other climbers to make it a triple for some added security. I couldn't find the video referencing triple v double break tests on HowNOTtoHIGHLINE. Ryan Jenks is a wealth of information and in there quad video he does touch a bit on knots. He jokingly quips that the force required to break a quad (with a weaker flat overhand) isn't really applicable to what climbers generate and it's hard to generate that force without breaking a climbers back. Feel free to drop the triple v double video in this convo. I'll drop his quad video above. The more information for all us the better.
That's a great question. Figure 8 on a bend does have a higher breaking strength than a double fisherman's and a triple fisherman is less likely to have the sheath separate from the core under drastically high loads. Both do increase strength, but both are a bit bulkier. This might be a case of which makes you feel comfortable.
I don't think the triple is necessary at all. Let's remember that the quad anchor is bombproof because it has redundant strands at both bolts. Take enough tail to bend over the knot and you're on a super strong anchor.
@@Organicfuller13 100% unnecessary. What kind of forces do you plan on encountering? Like I'll admit I usually tie a triple because I like how they look but I would never claim it's the way to go.
Looks like you clipped the locking biner wrong (at the tied off area) in the thumb nail. If one of the anchor points blows it would result in a shock load of the system with a risk of everything just getting pulled through the other anchor point. It would have been good if you showed how to clip in the rope to the system, aswell as talked about in which scenarios to use this specific system. Spent way to much time on this comment, guess I’m bored.. :P
We discussed whether we should film clipping into quads before filming, but chose to keep it simple. Your input is much appreciated and look for an upcoming take on clipping in. Your comments keep me entertained so keep it up.
Then this: ruclips.net/video/p3GP_fkhjyU/видео.html Quads are strong, often pre-built, and self-equalizing anchors. The biggest drawback is possible extension from a failing arm.
You said super smooth my man . Much thanks and respect
Thanks man!
This is the best tutorial for building a quad anchor that I’ve seen. Great job, and keep up the good work!
Thanks brah.
This video is great! After tying the double fisherman’s I like to thread two rap rings over the single loop before tying the over hand knots so that you can repel or climb using just the anchor and no extra carabiners.
Great video. Thanks
Appreciate the support!
Best tutorial for this. Thank you
Very well explained
Nice dude, thats helpful :-)
Thanks!
This was awesome, thanks! Is it imperative that the knots are precisely equal distance apart/centered? One of mine is about an inch closer to the middle than the other. I figured the tension forces would be the same regardless and the carabiners being opposite and opposed is more important.
ruclips.net/video/Hfn21EzAHgU/видео.html
I added HowNOTtoHIGHLINE's Quad break test video for some references on strength. Some good comments about double v triple Fisherman's knots have been made. Feel free to check what a 6 mm quad's break strength is and at 15:40 you'll see his test of the line and double fisherman's. Enjoy!
Epic video just wish the hands were on the opposite side so it would be easier to mimic the movement
Great point! For future point of view videos I'll be sure to take this into consideration. Thanks for the input.
Thanks! is double fisherman still official recommendation?
Another wrap on those fisherman’s would be better. How not to high line has pull tests on all these knots for reference.
Thanks Nicholas for your input. I'd never shy away from telling other climbers to make it a triple for some added security. I couldn't find the video referencing triple v double break tests on HowNOTtoHIGHLINE. Ryan Jenks is a wealth of information and in there quad video he does touch a bit on knots. He jokingly quips that the force required to break a quad (with a weaker flat overhand) isn't really applicable to what climbers generate and it's hard to generate that force without breaking a climbers back. Feel free to drop the triple v double video in this convo. I'll drop his quad video above. The more information for all us the better.
Think I would be happier with a triple fishermans, or a figure 8 with a double fishermans on either side. What do you think?
That's a great question. Figure 8 on a bend does have a higher breaking strength than a double fisherman's and a triple fisherman is less likely to have the sheath separate from the core under drastically high loads. Both do increase strength, but both are a bit bulkier. This might be a case of which makes you feel comfortable.
Triple fisherman’s is definitely the way to go, bulk may be an issue in some weird situation, but that’s pretty rare.
I don't think the triple is necessary at all. Let's remember that the quad anchor is bombproof because it has redundant strands at both bolts. Take enough tail to bend over the knot and you're on a super strong anchor.
Double fishermann properly tied dressed and set is super good enough
@@Organicfuller13 100% unnecessary. What kind of forces do you plan on encountering? Like I'll admit I usually tie a triple because I like how they look but I would never claim it's the way to go.
What type of cord is it?
Could someone answer: is the 7mm cordalette quad anchor option “stronger / better” than both the sling and QuickDraw anchor method?
both. better due to self equalization and little stretching and also stronger.
Is this a static or dynamic rope?
Static for a top rope anchor. Your climbing line should be dynamic
Looks like you clipped the locking biner wrong (at the tied off area) in the thumb nail. If one of the anchor points blows it would result in a shock load of the system with a risk of everything just getting pulled through the other anchor point.
It would have been good if you showed how to clip in the rope to the system, aswell as talked about in which scenarios to use this specific system.
Spent way to much time on this comment, guess I’m bored.. :P
We discussed whether we should film clipping into quads before filming, but chose to keep it simple. Your input is much appreciated and look for an upcoming take on clipping in. Your comments keep me entertained so keep it up.
So then what? And why quad?
Then this: ruclips.net/video/p3GP_fkhjyU/видео.html
Quads are strong, often pre-built, and self-equalizing anchors. The biggest drawback is possible extension from a failing arm.