Just purchased one from yourselves last week and have yet to enjoy it as I’m currently working overseas! However I have a Xone 96 and a rane mp2015 so I’m looking forward to the pure analogue experience! Thanks for your fast and reliable service Juno has a great customer experience from buying records to equipment!
Great minds Mark, I have those two mixers as well, would be good to know your thoughts on the latest addition after you’ve had a chance to put it to some use!
Just stumbled upon this video and I am blown away. Such great quality all round, super interesting content and that mixer is stunning. Keep up the good work! Subscribed for sure. 🎉
I can't tell you how happy this video makes me! Great quality and well explained, comprehensible even for non-geeks. Now, if you need a proper product manager to also bring your website in the 21st century, let me know ;)
Would have been interested to hear the difference between the Pioneer and the Model 9100, when the EQ on the Pioneer was set to isolator, not sure if comparing the Model 9100 isolator to the Pioneer main EQ is really a useful comparison.
Your summery said it all. Totally agree. Less is more but the more you get for less is WAYYYYY more cost-effective than £3 grand for what is just a chin-stroking oddity, just like those uber high-priced turntables designed for those with more money than sense audiophiles... All to make your lift music sound more complex... also how much do those effect units cost on top of a 3G mixer?
Nice video! I think you did the right comparison (Maybe a current 900 NX2...). It's hard to get all mixers in house for a comparison. The A&H Xone 96 and the Model 1's would be fair game since they have minimal internal effects and position themselves as Sound Shaping devices more than "Back to Back" style mixers.
Hey Alan, thanks for the kind words! Yeah I would agree about the A&H being a strong comparison, I chose the Pioneer just as that's what most DJs would be familiar with!
@@junodj8149 Yeah you should have compared the 9100 with the Model 1 mixer. Of course this is just a marketing video for Alpha Recording and not really a good one at that..
@@ItsThatJahncke2 well don't buy it then. i think this thing looks top notch. if i ever got the cash i'm getting one. leave it up to the nit pickers to always find something to complain about. besides, comparing the model 1 to this is comparing apples to oranges. two machines built for entirely different purposes or ways of playing. if you don't understand that, are you even a dj?
@@XX-121 Why wouldn't he compare the two. It would make for a real interesting video to be honest. No I'm not a DJ. I only use mixers for studio use, instruments, analog gear, Etc.
@@ItsThatJahncke2 the answer to that is in my previous comment. and so you use dj mixers in your "studio"? why? they're so much more expensive than one built for what you say you are doing
Why would you compare a High end rotary mixer to standard mass manufactured DJ mixers? It would be much more natural comparing it to Condesa, Bozak, Taula, mastersounds etc. Could’ve just put it up against a potato instead of the pioner mixer
Hey there! We wanted to draw a comparison for people who may not have heard of rotary mixers and wondering why something like the ARS 9100 might cost so much in comparison to what they're used to. We'd love to take some time to compare it to its rotary counterparts, perhaps we'll get a chance at some point...
"In the early 50's?" the Bozak and Urei were in night clubs? Bozak DJ mixer came out in the early 70's. in '71 Rosner came out with a one off hand built stereo dj mixer called the "Rosie" (it was painted red. Urei DJ Mixer came out after Bozak in the 80's so i dont know what is going on here.
Why aren't there 4 phono channels? seems odd that that channel 4 is 2 line channels. As someone with 4 turntables, the mixer is out of my consideration set because of that now.
Ok, great video, but I think I need to give you some feedback about your comparison. Before I came across your video, someone should have gave you some video feedback for your video section "Pioneer DJM 2000 Nexus vs Model 9100. Now, 9100 sound quality is WAY better than Pioneer DJM 2000 NXS, but in your video, you had the 2000 NXS bass knob to its lowest "cut off" and then demonstrated a comparison on the 9000 "knob at 12'o clock". That is unfair. About the slope part you mention, the 2000 NXS has a line channel slope curve that is adjustable. So, I don't know about your comparison there but that sounds iffy! In addition, the 2000 NXS have isolator knobs, no way near like the Bozak isolator you're showing but it has knobs. Sound quality and smoothness, Model 9000 outshines the Pioneer DJM 2000. Functionality-wise Pioneer DJM 2000 NXS body slams Model 9000. The old 2000 NXS can body slam some of these mixers on the market now. Like you said at the end of your video, it depends on what type of dj you are. Note: Analogy RCA vs SDPIF audio sounds may challenge your conclusion. LOL Just saying. LOL Peace DJ56
you got to just play by ear. it's not really made for slamming in tracks. but if you actually look at it, there's a button you push to put the vu meters in cue/pgm mode so the left one shows the cue track and the right one shows the master
I ordered it few weeks ago from your store, I just noticed the RCA "rec" output, is bypassing the EQ Isolator. It does the recording but without the Master isolator. I wanted to record my mixes with the ISO EQ when I tweak it. Doesn't seem possible? I also noticed the Loop Out bypasses the ISO EQ too. Is this normal?
Your comparing the isolator vs the EQ's given both mixers have Eq's and isolators.. So I'm not sure why you're not directly comparing feature for feature
sounds killer, you aint gonna get that quality out of your pioneer! the dub delay really needs to return into a channel with a parametric on the mid, and maybe a few more things; for live dub this mixer isnt really it, but for house & disco hell yeah. & cut your dubs in the studio.
Pluses...Straighter paths of circuitry for less chance of noise,crosstalk,distortion,and normally better internal wiring..Smooth transitions for most DJs who create long mixes..Even though i have a mixer with faders,i stay away from mixers with Efx,samplers,.filters..See the thing is,I spin MUSIC already made,so why would i need to mess with the records so frequently?Let the tracks speak for themselves at less 97% of the time ,allowing your skills and track selection make the night,not the gear...Minuses..The price for those DJs who cry about prices,as if someone suggested that DJing would be expensive. It is expensive so if you're not ale to spend a LOT of money,there's always knitting. The ONLY thing I cannot stand and that gets redundant,is standing there tweaking,twisting, and messing with knobs every three records. What else I cannot stand is knob DJs making insane comments about them being 'superior' to DJs with faders on their mixers. If you spin a variety of techniques instead of 99% blending,you juggle,you scratch,and you bring multiple skillsets, then all knobs might not be your first choice.While it is possible to scratch and do light juggles,it's limiting for most DJs with the whole compliment of skills..Would I get a 9100 or a rotary?I would with a fader module,and I believe the company did offer one at some point..Besides,these mixers are better suited for a permanent ,and well tuned system. No,I dont mean loud,and brash,i mean like a Rosner/ Richard Long system, even like David Mancuso's or Sting International,etc..
I chuckled when I heard about the 'history of rotary mixers'. You got the timeline wrong for about 25 years. The UREI and Bozaks are from the mid (Bozak) and late (Urei) 70s , not the 50s like stated in the video. The 'Paradise Garage' opened April 1976, the 'Studio 54' in '77. That was the time I started to build and use mixing consoles myself, mostly only pots, because good faders were 10 to 20 times more expensive. 'Rotary' pots are the most basic potentiometers (the are all 'rotary') and exist for around 100 years. All mixing consoles from the 30s until end of 50s on had pots because faders weren't yet invented/useable. The first real recording consoles for tape recording in the 50s like the Putnam UA610 had pots only too, yet no EQ & filtering besides a low cut. The first ones with faders instead of pots for the volume control came at the end of the 50s (1958) with e.g. the EMI REDD17 e.g. the big one at Abbey Road Studios. The faders were a big advantage because You have much more control. That's the reason all professional recording and live consoles use faders instead of pots for volume to this day. You have a much more sophisticated EQing and they also have low, high or bandpass filters (aka 'isolators'). These 'isolators' are simply active 3-way crossover filters (used in every 3-way speaker x-over) with high Q at the edges of each band, multiple aux/send/returns etc. I'd never buy something as expensive like this thing. You get a full blown studio console for this price per channel. We use some 'rotary mixers' (Mackie) for headphone mixes, and some high density rack 'rotary' mixers for complex keyboard or effect mixes. The only advantage I see with these simple mixers is, that You have only a few knobs to operate (and they may look cooler when You operate them), if You reproduce (and modify) prerecorded music.
I understand that Effect Send/Return is after the channel but before the Isolator, but what about the Loop output? Is that post isolator? Asking because I'd like to be able to send the master output to an FX chain but still be able to use the built-in isolator.
This gossip, I have both, the OG 1620 and the limited edition. The original 1620 is a bit louder, and probably better in terms of the measured signal-to-noise ratio. Otherwise you can't go wrong with the Le Version. A very well done remake. Stereo depth and stage, sound signature and most importantly, the summation.
I think it´s for DJs who want really boutique mixer and its own analog presence. The Mixer will look nice overtime compared with "standard ones" , engineering wise, I don't think have superior audio quality than digital ones , you can use a Xone DB4 or Rane mp2015 using coaxial digital and lossless audio file and will be better than vinyl with a lot of mechanical parts and analog stuff. That said most of the modern mixers have isolators on each channel .
Sorry but you’re wrong take a vinyl record and a lossless version of the same track and listen the difference is night and day the bottom end is much heavier and the overall sound will be louder and more dynamic through vinyl.
@@ravinderteji9059 Digital exceed any analog format in any metric , it’s quantitative and can be proven measured and with math . I love vinyl and analog gear , I own tape and vinyl players , but as engineer I know analog it’s imperfect , mechanical , degrades , and it’s why I love , the color added , and that some music it’s not available digital/streaming. However for clarity , high fidelity , if you can get the digital master in lossless format , can’t be beaten by analog . But won’t have character (color) added , I think it’s why this mixer may be very good, but won’t beat a DJM using coaxial digital .
This looks like a nice mixer, but I tell you just get a 20 year old high end mixer with no FX like a good vestax, technics or rane for $500 and spend $3k on some boutique FX and you way ahead of a pioneer and look cool for being retro to boot. Built in FX are a total waste after a couple years because they usually have presets that fit with the pop music of the time but don't age well. Find me a really nice tape delay setting on a pioneer system that competes with any $600 tape delay pedal or heck for the price you could get a mixer and a fully refurbished Roland space echo for the price of a pioneer system. I know that's an extreme example. But consider an eventide vs pioneer.
@@junodj8149 it’s not my way of playing. When I put on a record the first thing is to set the the track on 0 db so later when it’s in the mix it’s set correctly. With lots of these rotary mixers you have to be careful and gentle. It’s fine for slow styles but often I like to go hard and then it’s useless.
Why get this when you can get a mastersounds 4v at £800 less and it's still cheaper by £440 with the upgraded linear power supply plus you get valves with the mastersounds mixer... Conclusion...no it's not worth it in my opinion.
@@tonydeepdisco2417 don't say the urie 1620 coz that's outdated.... E&S isn't any better, nor is Condesa...and the Allen and heath Xone V6 isn't made any more and the rarest mixer out there....I kinda know my stuff.... Enlighten me fella
@@tonydeepdisco2417 lol...you use a condesa with bog standard RCA cables and balanced line to speakers....lol... If you want to play the hifi game....then game on...I hope what you use is more than 30 grand.... I have ATC speakers, mark Levinson amp and Audio research valve pre amp...etc....I kinda know my sounds mate...
@@djdeejdjay8669 that nice i know my stuff too i have a condesa lucia, super stereo dn78 and bozak ar-4 mistly i play in night clubs in nyc with good sound systems,, looking for my 4 rotary mixer now,, the important thing here is to understand what is under the hood and what is a discrete circuit vs a integrate circuit!!
I have to say that this video was completely underwhelming, Their marketing department couldn’t have mentioned sound shaping or the 3 band isolator even if they written it themselves. But talking a mixer up that you needed other gear to make it everything you tried to suggest is mental , you could have added that gear to a multitude of mixers to get the same effect or sounds but that’s not on the script. Despite all of that what really bothered me was that dreadful music , no amount of sound shaping dramatic tones & other gear could make it better.
this is pretty ridiculous , if you can burn 3000 on this you are blessed. 3000 Could save a lot of lives . A good mixer does not need to cost this , and you straight up cannot tell in the sound .
@@user-rv8wb1nl1b exactly"🤔i still have an old vintage Vestax, and itz Fântastik,😁👌🔊dont get me wrong I love thiz mixer " the urei" Bozak"rane mp2015" im reaL old school 🤗🎼🎵🎶remember itz what you feel , in the Muzik we D.J. or make others Njoi,🤗👍not what you Spend on it...cheers
Why have such expensive mixers with cheap cables connected to them...it really does my nut in that people buy and also do vids with expensive mixers and yet bottleneck the sound with cheap cables.... Yes I'm as n audiophile DJ and have thousands of pounds worth of cables in my set up....I kinda know my stuff when it comes to sound quality...I will take the pepsi challenge any day as well lol
@@s_9878 lololololol...are you ready to be proven wrong. I've just got a mastersounds 4V. I will do a video of my set up. I'm not boasting, I'm just a very keen audiophile and my set up is about 30 grand. Google ATC SCM 20 speakers...let's just say you don't put them on a £200 amp. The first thing I done when I got my Technics Mk5g decks was de-solder all of the cables and I put on Russ Andrew power cables and black rhodium RCA cables and also modded with an isolation platter and different slipmat and made my own record clamps...that's over £300 per deck of modifications. Epic fail fella lol. People do chat rubbish on RUclips, but unfortunately this time fella you've met someone that isn't lolololol. I will do a video tonight and post you the link 😜
@@djdeejdjay8669 😆 I’ve got a radius 2 valve actually, lovely mixer, sounds great, a joy to play on and does some things brilliantly that lower quality rotaries struggle with (summing for example) I work for a company that designs and builds audio equipment. One of our head engineers was a consultant on a fairly (in)famous 100k + pair of audiophile speakers (I’m not going to name names here) he gave me the warts and all hard truth about super audiophile products and the long and short of it is it’s massively placebo and a great example of buyer confirmation and diminishing returns with your hard earned cash. What you are spunking your money on is slightly different flavas of sound, with pretty hard to define ‘improvements’! One thing I will say is the fact that we know the placebo effect is real, if it can literally heal the body it’s not that much of a stretch to see how it can make people believe they are hearing vast ‘improvements’ There’s a pretty fine line between getting the most out of a setup and being one of the poor fools who claim their 20k cables sound incredible (my Technics are also modified with the same upgrades you’ll find in big clubs like Fabric etc - ie sensible upgrades) You’ve clearly got the funds to afford it and I can see why so many people enjoy chasing chimeras but you’re being partly duped. I suggest you learn about building speakers and amps you’ll have a much better understanding about the physics of sound reproduction, what’s important and where it’s worth spending money. Also, I hope you’ve got adequate room treatment to go with those lovely speakers :)
@@s_9878 lolololol...there's one thing being told and then another in the know! My father is a patent attorney and has specialised in hifi for for 40 years! Also I have mate that has worked for mission and sennheiser and now does satellite communication and I have also got extensive knowledge in this hifi... Yes you do get different variations in sound with things, but if you're experienced you will know when something is getting accurate. The money I have spent is sensible and it's also very technical and obviously something you know very little about...like RF contamination, vibration isolation, soundstage, passive pre amps, difference classes of power, phasing, delay, detail, punch, septation, timing colouration etc etc... Yes people can go too far with hifi and yes it think it's over the top...but you also must believe in hi end audio, otherwise you wouldn't be buying a mastersounds mixer lol...behave lol... I've set up and owned and heard more hifi then you can poke a stick at and I earned my stripes and cut my teeth mainly setting up car hifi systems and hearing the difference with different set ups and methods....yes there is a lot of snake oil going on but there is also a lot of development money to get back when inventing something. You've been watching RUclips vids about room conditioning lol....it's acoustics mate and that's all down to sound which is variable in a room or setting...that can also be a bit snake oil....it's all about changing the sound and delay etc...hence it's preference and that's why most concert halls etc have panels in the roof which you can adjust... You contradicted your self in your retort after your short and rude and dismissive nonsense comment lol... I can see further than my nose and can see things from both sides and I make my own conclusions and don't listen to what others say without knowing my stuff and having conclusive evidence.
Excited for more from this channel...hoping more people discover the beauty of these machines...
For 3k I would expect the eight screws around the vu meters to be at the very least countersunk properly.
Yeah not use woodworking screws, very ugly and not high end. Of course this whole video is just advertisement since they sell this mixer.
Some SL1200s and this mixer combined with the Despacio Sound System would be the an amazing audiophile DJ setup.
Just purchased one from yourselves last week and have yet to enjoy it as I’m currently working overseas! However I have a Xone 96 and a rane mp2015 so I’m looking forward to the pure analogue experience! Thanks for your fast and reliable service Juno has a great customer experience from buying records to equipment!
Thanks Mark, very kind of you! Hoping you get a chance to enjoy the 9100 soon...
Great minds Mark, I have those two mixers as well, would be good to know your thoughts on the latest addition after you’ve had a chance to put it to some use!
How do rate the 2015 Rane?
The Xone 96 is an analog path when you're not using it with a computer.
How do you rate the rane?
why did i watch this ? now i want one
U need to put it against Rane MP2015
cant wait to get mine soon!!
so good.
First off great video, second sound amazing, third like almost every DJ mixer is super duper inflated in price.
SSL Big Six is awesome and also costs $3k, at these prices high end studio mixers become relevant.
That last track is a beauty
Isn't it just!
@@junodj8149 ...Just like a woman? ruclips.net/video/zhp5Xk7SN7o/видео.html
What an amazing video quality. I loved it! Please make more. This is my next dream mixer!!
Thanks Alejandro! It's our dream mixer too...
You'd need to stick the DJM-2000 Nexus in iso mode to replicate what the Alpha's knobs at the top are doing.
Just stumbled upon this video and I am blown away. Such great quality all round, super interesting content and that mixer is stunning. Keep up the good work! Subscribed for sure. 🎉
I can't tell you how happy this video makes me! Great quality and well explained, comprehensible even for non-geeks.
Now, if you need a proper product manager to also bring your website in the 21st century, let me know ;)
Thanks for the kind words, we're glad you enjoyed the video!
Would have been interested to hear the difference between the Pioneer and the Model 9100, when the EQ on the Pioneer was set to isolator, not sure if comparing the Model 9100 isolator to the Pioneer main EQ is really a useful comparison.
That's a good point! We had previously wanted to demonstrate both but were a bit strapped for time - perhaps something for a future feature...
Great review. Thanks for that. Realy like the loop function.
It's super useful for expanding the 9100!
Damn the added isolator and delay unit makes it sound so PHAT!
Your summery said it all. Totally agree. Less is more but the more you get for less is WAYYYYY more cost-effective than £3 grand for what is just a chin-stroking oddity, just like those uber high-priced turntables designed for those with more money than sense audiophiles... All to make your lift music sound more complex... also how much do those effect units cost on top of a 3G mixer?
Amazing quality of the vid.
7:24 9100
7:36 Pioneer
just dropping these stamps in to AB flip
So many crotchety people up in the comments. Entertaining to read though.
Thanks for watching! Little mistake from us at 01:03 saying 50's instead of 80's! Make sure to subscribe for more content very soon...
Fantastic video, but track ID at 5:03?
Answering the question from video title: I HAVE NO CLUE!
Nice video! I think you did the right comparison (Maybe a current 900 NX2...). It's hard to get all mixers in house for a comparison. The A&H Xone 96 and the Model 1's would be fair game since they have minimal internal effects and position themselves as Sound Shaping devices more than "Back to Back" style mixers.
Hey Alan, thanks for the kind words! Yeah I would agree about the A&H being a strong comparison, I chose the Pioneer just as that's what most DJs would be familiar with!
@@junodj8149 Yeah you should have compared the 9100 with the Model 1 mixer. Of course this is just a marketing video for Alpha Recording and not really a good one at that..
@@ItsThatJahncke2 well don't buy it then. i think this thing looks top notch. if i ever got the cash i'm getting one.
leave it up to the nit pickers to always find something to complain about. besides, comparing the model 1 to this is comparing apples to oranges. two machines built for entirely different purposes or ways of playing. if you don't understand that, are you even a dj?
@@XX-121 Why wouldn't he compare the two. It would make for a real interesting video to be honest. No I'm not a DJ. I only use mixers for studio use, instruments, analog gear, Etc.
@@ItsThatJahncke2 the answer to that is in my previous comment. and so you use dj mixers in your "studio"? why? they're so much more expensive than one built for what you say you are doing
Amazing mixer!
All this Rotary Mixers is making me Crazy...
Brilliant! I want one!
You're not alone!
what is the first track on the video?
Why would you compare a High end rotary mixer to standard mass manufactured DJ mixers? It would be much more natural comparing it to Condesa, Bozak, Taula, mastersounds etc. Could’ve just put it up against a potato instead of the pioner mixer
Hey there! We wanted to draw a comparison for people who may not have heard of rotary mixers and wondering why something like the ARS 9100 might cost so much in comparison to what they're used to. We'd love to take some time to compare it to its rotary counterparts, perhaps we'll get a chance at some point...
I wouldn't call this mixer hi end.
@@kamilkubik Thanks for sharing. That was an insightful comment.
@@kamilkubik and what you will call hi end?
@@kamilkubik Right? Total garbage. My mixer is £50k and i only play unopened records
"In the early 50's?" the Bozak and Urei were in night clubs? Bozak DJ mixer came out in the early 70's. in '71 Rosner came out with a one off hand built stereo dj mixer called the "Rosie" (it was painted red. Urei DJ Mixer came out after Bozak in the 80's so i dont know what is going on here.
Amazing!
Great mixer
thinking to change my E&S DJ-R400 for this one!
Why aren't there 4 phono channels? seems odd that that channel 4 is 2 line channels. As someone with 4 turntables, the mixer is out of my consideration set because of that now.
Im torn. Do i go full balls to the wall with 9900. Or this 😊
What track at 11:10 ? Loving that!
We can't remember which track off this LP it is but the record is Maxim Wolzyn - Intercity Express!
Is it a full analog mixer? Or has some digital?
Great to see and hear it with the Zen-box i am getting soon, really liked the video, all the best,)
Thanks Ole! Yeah combining it with the Zen is certainly quite something...
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This one VS the Rane 2015?
Ok, great video, but I think I need to give you some feedback about your comparison. Before I came across your video, someone should have gave you some video feedback for your video section "Pioneer DJM 2000 Nexus vs Model 9100. Now, 9100 sound quality is WAY better than Pioneer DJM 2000 NXS, but in your video, you had the 2000 NXS bass knob to its lowest "cut off" and then demonstrated a comparison on the 9000 "knob at 12'o clock". That is unfair. About the slope part you mention, the 2000 NXS has a line channel slope curve that is adjustable. So, I don't know about your comparison there but that sounds iffy! In addition, the 2000 NXS have isolator knobs, no way near like the Bozak isolator you're showing but it has knobs. Sound quality and smoothness, Model 9000 outshines the Pioneer DJM 2000. Functionality-wise Pioneer DJM 2000 NXS body slams Model 9000. The old 2000 NXS can body slam some of these mixers on the market now. Like you said at the end of your video, it depends on what type of dj you are. Note: Analogy RCA vs SDPIF audio sounds may challenge your conclusion. LOL Just saying. LOL Peace DJ56
Would've been nice if it at least had independent signal level meters for each channel. Especially for that price tag.
Would take too much space and not as portable.
you got to just play by ear. it's not really made for slamming in tracks. but if you actually look at it, there's a button you push to put the vu meters in cue/pgm mode so the left one shows the cue track and the right one shows the master
Até o disco da juno tá torto... Tô começando achar que alguns que comprei saíram tortos da juno
You put these Turntables on a 3k Grand Mixer 🙂
Loving it .
I ordered it few weeks ago from your store, I just noticed the RCA "rec" output, is bypassing the EQ Isolator. It does the recording but without the Master isolator. I wanted to record my mixes with the ISO EQ when I tweak it. Doesn't seem possible? I also noticed the Loop Out bypasses the ISO EQ too. Is this normal?
I noticed the video shows the audio being effected by the ISO EQ. See from 5:10. An audio recording device must have been used to pick it up.
@DoFunkk You Can use the RCA house o/p to record the Master Isolator
What’s the ‘ disco reggae ‘ song ???
Your comparing the isolator vs the EQ's given both mixers have Eq's and isolators.. So I'm not sure why you're not directly comparing feature for feature
we want more videos!!
Completely distracted by the second song in the intro!
What is it?!
Great video!
Thanks Drew!
Gracias
More vids like that!
sounds killer, you aint gonna get that quality out of your pioneer! the dub delay really needs to return into a channel with a parametric on the mid, and maybe a few more things; for live dub this mixer isnt really it, but for house & disco hell yeah. & cut your dubs in the studio.
Where do you plug in a microphone 🎤 does anyone know
Pluses...Straighter paths of circuitry for less chance of noise,crosstalk,distortion,and normally better internal wiring..Smooth transitions for most DJs who create long mixes..Even though i have a mixer with faders,i stay away from mixers with Efx,samplers,.filters..See the thing is,I spin MUSIC already made,so why would i need to mess with the records so frequently?Let the tracks speak for themselves at less 97% of the time ,allowing your skills and track selection make the night,not the gear...Minuses..The price for those DJs who cry about prices,as if someone suggested that DJing would be expensive. It is expensive so if you're not ale to spend a LOT of money,there's always knitting. The ONLY thing I cannot stand and that gets redundant,is standing there tweaking,twisting, and messing with knobs every three records. What else I cannot stand is knob DJs making insane comments about them being 'superior' to DJs with faders on their mixers. If you spin a variety of techniques instead of 99% blending,you juggle,you scratch,and you bring multiple skillsets, then all knobs might not be your first choice.While it is possible to scratch and do light juggles,it's limiting for most DJs with the whole compliment of skills..Would I get a 9100 or a rotary?I would with a fader module,and I believe the company did offer one at some point..Besides,these mixers are better suited for a permanent ,and well tuned system. No,I dont mean loud,and brash,i mean like a Rosner/ Richard Long system, even like David Mancuso's or Sting International,etc..
Good one Juno ! Im old customer of juno, cheers from brazil
Amazing! Thanks for the support...
Do you guys sell them with U.S. power supplies?
We do not sadly, that's how they're supplied to us!
what the hell was that track at the end? i couldn't really tell what i was listening to
also i hope you haven't spent money on that vinyl 🥲
that would be a shame tbh
Those Reloop turntables are a joke?!? Can't take this serious.
What model of turntables isn’t a “joke?”
@@coreyoliver3653 I think he means it should have been a Technics.
That’s all he can afford after dishing out 3k for a mixer.
Its one big advert.....
This video is just a commercial, not a review lol
I think it’s porn
Pioneer sounds much flatter in the low end and less warm
What is the track @6:18
I chuckled when I heard about the 'history of rotary mixers'. You got the timeline wrong for about 25 years.
The UREI and Bozaks are from the mid (Bozak) and late (Urei) 70s , not the 50s like stated in the video. The 'Paradise Garage' opened April 1976, the 'Studio 54' in '77.
That was the time I started to build and use mixing consoles myself, mostly only pots, because good faders were 10 to 20 times more expensive.
'Rotary' pots are the most basic potentiometers (the are all 'rotary') and exist for around 100 years. All mixing consoles from the 30s until end of 50s on had pots because faders weren't yet invented/useable.
The first real recording consoles for tape recording in the 50s like the Putnam UA610 had pots only too, yet no EQ & filtering besides a low cut.
The first ones with faders instead of pots for the volume control came at the end of the 50s (1958) with e.g. the EMI REDD17 e.g. the big one at Abbey Road Studios.
The faders were a big advantage because You have much more control. That's the reason all professional recording and live consoles use faders instead of pots for volume to this day.
You have a much more sophisticated EQing and they also have low, high or bandpass filters (aka 'isolators'). These 'isolators' are simply active 3-way crossover filters (used in every 3-way speaker x-over) with high Q at the edges of each band, multiple aux/send/returns etc.
I'd never buy something as expensive like this thing. You get a full blown studio console for this price per channel. We use some 'rotary mixers' (Mackie) for headphone mixes, and some high density rack 'rotary' mixers for complex keyboard or effect mixes.
The only advantage I see with these simple mixers is, that You have only a few knobs to operate (and they may look cooler when You operate them), if You reproduce (and modify) prerecorded music.
“Dramatic gestures”
Why don't many rotary mixers have cross faders?
Mastersounds mk2
Rotary mixer are primarily aimed at people who like long smooth blends best done with knobs and not a cross fader
I understand that Effect Send/Return is after the channel but before the Isolator, but what about the Loop output? Is that post isolator? Asking because I'd like to be able to send the master output to an FX chain but still be able to use the built-in isolator.
Owning a 3000 € mixer but playing with the cheap Reloop doesn't fit but that's just my opinion
Bozak in the early 50's???
Our mistake there! Little slip of the tongue
@@junodj8149 No problem! Can happen. Just we are not that old 🤣
Also used a Soundcraft Urei pic and not an original.
@@secretsquirrel2 Hi Joseph! This was the highest quality image we could source, unfortunately not a lot of 2K images of the original Urei about sadly
Lol. Good catch. I was thinking the same thing.
in the early 50s?
Early 50s?
Great video but couldn’t you find a picture of an actual 1620 rather than that terrible soundcraft knock off?
Hey Alastair! Surprisingly there are not many clean HD images of the 1620 so we went with the LE as we had high resolution imagery for this version!
@@junodj8149 LOL terrible Soundcraft knockoff, what glue have you been sniffing? From a build quality point of view it's superior to the original.
This gossip, I have both, the OG 1620 and the limited edition. The original 1620 is a bit louder, and probably better in terms of the measured signal-to-noise ratio. Otherwise you can't go wrong with the Le Version. A very well done remake. Stereo depth and stage, sound signature and most importantly, the summation.
3 grand for that!!! xD
I think it´s for DJs who want really boutique mixer and its own analog presence. The Mixer will look nice overtime compared with "standard ones" , engineering wise, I don't think have superior audio quality than digital ones , you can use a Xone DB4 or Rane mp2015 using coaxial digital and lossless audio file and will be better than vinyl with a lot of mechanical parts and analog stuff.
That said most of the modern mixers have isolators on each channel .
you are so wrong man LOL
Sorry but you’re wrong take a vinyl record and a lossless version of the same track and listen the difference is night and day the bottom end is much heavier and the overall sound will be louder and more dynamic through vinyl.
@@ravinderteji9059 Digital exceed any analog format in any metric , it’s quantitative and can be proven measured and with math .
I love vinyl and analog gear , I own tape and vinyl players , but as engineer I know analog it’s imperfect , mechanical , degrades , and it’s why I love , the color added , and that some music it’s not available digital/streaming.
However for clarity , high fidelity , if you can get the digital master in lossless format , can’t be beaten by analog . But won’t have character (color) added , I think it’s why this mixer may be very good, but won’t beat a DJM using coaxial digital .
This looks like a nice mixer, but I tell you just get a 20 year old high end mixer with no FX like a good vestax, technics or rane for $500 and spend $3k on some boutique FX and you way ahead of a pioneer and look cool for being retro to boot. Built in FX are a total waste after a couple years because they usually have presets that fit with the pop music of the time but don't age well. Find me a really nice tape delay setting on a pioneer system that competes with any $600 tape delay pedal or heck for the price you could get a mixer and a fully refurbished Roland space echo for the price of a pioneer system. I know that's an extreme example. But consider an eventide vs pioneer.
I don't watch porn, but I watch rotary mixers
Cue button location for each channel is awful.
I need a sugar daddy for this mixer and that Ninja Tune delay
The Ninja Tune delay is definitely worth the money in our opinion...
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This is not hiend mixer, but not mass production.
kalyan
At that price I'd expect the vu meters to actually work
Nice mixer but no gain control is super annoying
Plenty of headroom on each channel though!
@@junodj8149 it’s not my way of playing. When I put on a record the first thing is to set the the track on 0 db so later when it’s in the mix it’s set correctly. With lots of these rotary mixers you have to be careful and gentle. It’s fine for slow styles but often I like to go hard and then it’s useless.
SO when is the why???!!!! you don´t even open the mixer !!!! wtf !
that pioneer sounds horrible ABing to the Alpha
I believe is over priced, for around 2000$ you can get a resør 2525 that is all discrete circuit!
Less is more.
Why get this when you can get a mastersounds 4v at £800 less and it's still cheaper by £440 with the upgraded linear power supply plus you get valves with the mastersounds mixer...
Conclusion...no it's not worth it in my opinion.
they are better options than masterSounds!!!
@@tonydeepdisco2417 don't say the urie 1620 coz that's outdated....
E&S isn't any better, nor is Condesa...and the Allen and heath Xone V6 isn't made any more and the rarest mixer out there....I kinda know my stuff....
Enlighten me fella
@@tonydeepdisco2417 lol...you use a condesa with bog standard RCA cables and balanced line to speakers....lol...
If you want to play the hifi game....then game on...I hope what you use is more than 30 grand....
I have ATC speakers, mark Levinson amp and Audio research valve pre amp...etc....I kinda know my sounds mate...
@@djdeejdjay8669 that nice i know my stuff too i have a condesa lucia, super stereo dn78 and bozak ar-4 mistly i play in night clubs in nyc with good sound systems,, looking for my 4 rotary mixer now,, the important thing here is to understand what is under the hood and what is a discrete circuit vs a integrate circuit!!
@@djdeejdjay8669 that sounds good!! valve make a big difference
1950s? Nope.
I have to say that this video was completely underwhelming, Their marketing department couldn’t have mentioned sound shaping or the 3 band isolator even if they written it themselves. But talking a mixer up that you needed other gear to make it everything you tried to suggest is mental , you could have added that gear to a multitude of mixers to get the same effect or sounds but that’s not on the script. Despite all of that what really bothered me was that dreadful music , no amount of sound shaping dramatic tones & other gear could make it better.
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@@javierezquerro8998 absolutely smashed it bud , superb video & tunes👍
this is pretty ridiculous , if you can burn 3000 on this you are blessed. 3000 Could save a lot of lives . A good mixer does not need to cost this , and you straight up cannot tell in the sound .
@E.F. R. Yes, all of the world’s problems can totally be placed on the market for boutique, handmade Japanese rotary mixers, I agree.
@E.F. R. it doesn't sound much better than a vestax/gemini/allen n heath/rane etc . A fool and their money is soon parted.
I can wait until rotary mixers cost the same as "regular" ones. I will then listen to comparatives.
A foolish statement , What mixers have you compared ?
@@user-rv8wb1nl1b exactly"🤔i still have an old vintage Vestax, and itz Fântastik,😁👌🔊dont get me wrong I love thiz mixer " the urei" Bozak"rane mp2015" im reaL old school 🤗🎼🎵🎶remember itz what you feel , in the Muzik we D.J. or make others Njoi,🤗👍not what you Spend on it...cheers
Why have such expensive mixers with cheap cables connected to them...it really does my nut in that people buy and also do vids with expensive mixers and yet bottleneck the sound with cheap cables....
Yes I'm as n audiophile DJ and have thousands of pounds worth of cables in my set up....I kinda know my stuff when it comes to sound quality...I will take the pepsi challenge any day as well lol
Nonsense
@@s_9878 lololololol...are you ready to be proven wrong.
I've just got a mastersounds 4V.
I will do a video of my set up.
I'm not boasting, I'm just a very keen audiophile and my set up is about 30 grand.
Google ATC SCM 20 speakers...let's just say you don't put them on a £200 amp.
The first thing I done when I got my Technics Mk5g decks was de-solder all of the cables and I put on Russ Andrew power cables and black rhodium RCA cables and also modded with an isolation platter and different slipmat and made my own record clamps...that's over £300 per deck of modifications.
Epic fail fella lol.
People do chat rubbish on RUclips, but unfortunately this time fella you've met someone that isn't lolololol.
I will do a video tonight and post you the link 😜
@@djdeejdjay8669 😆
I’ve got a radius 2 valve actually, lovely mixer, sounds great, a joy to play on and does some things brilliantly that lower quality rotaries struggle with (summing for example)
I work for a company that designs and builds audio equipment. One of our head engineers was a consultant on a fairly (in)famous 100k + pair of audiophile speakers (I’m not going to name names here) he gave me the warts and all hard truth about super audiophile products and the long and short of it is it’s massively placebo and a great example of buyer confirmation and diminishing returns with your hard earned cash.
What you are spunking your money on is slightly different flavas of sound, with pretty hard to define ‘improvements’! One thing I will say is the fact that we know the placebo effect is real, if it can literally heal the body it’s not that much of a stretch to see how it can make people believe they are hearing vast ‘improvements’
There’s a pretty fine line between getting the most out of a setup and being one of the poor fools who claim their 20k cables sound incredible (my Technics are also modified with the same upgrades you’ll find in big clubs like Fabric etc - ie sensible upgrades) You’ve clearly got the funds to afford it and I can see why so many people enjoy chasing chimeras but you’re being partly duped.
I suggest you learn about building speakers and amps you’ll have a much better understanding about the physics of sound reproduction, what’s important and where it’s worth spending money.
Also, I hope you’ve got adequate room treatment to go with those lovely speakers :)
@@s_9878 RIP Dee J Djay
@@s_9878 lolololol...there's one thing being told and then another in the know!
My father is a patent attorney and has specialised in hifi for for 40 years!
Also I have mate that has worked for mission and sennheiser and now does satellite communication and
I have also got extensive knowledge in this hifi...
Yes you do get different variations in sound with things, but if you're experienced you will know when something is getting accurate.
The money I have spent is sensible and it's also very technical and obviously something you know very little about...like RF contamination, vibration isolation, soundstage, passive pre amps, difference classes of power, phasing, delay, detail, punch, septation, timing colouration etc etc...
Yes people can go too far with hifi and yes it think it's over the top...but you also must believe in hi end audio, otherwise you wouldn't be buying a mastersounds mixer lol...behave lol...
I've set up and owned and heard more hifi then you can poke a stick at and I earned my stripes and cut my teeth mainly setting up car hifi systems and hearing the difference with different set ups and methods....yes there is a lot of snake oil going on but there is also a lot of development money to get back when inventing something.
You've been watching RUclips vids about room conditioning lol....it's acoustics mate and that's all down to sound which is variable in a room or setting...that can also be a bit snake oil....it's all about changing the sound and delay etc...hence it's preference and that's why most concert halls etc have panels in the roof which you can adjust...
You contradicted your self in your retort after your short and rude and dismissive nonsense comment lol...
I can see further than my nose and can see things from both sides and I make my own conclusions and don't listen to what others say without knowing my stuff and having conclusive evidence.
cuz paying more for less is trendy now gtfo
I’m getting a condesa instead
Why comment that if you aren't going to list your reasons? Worthless input otherwise.