Mojaxx: gotta hand it to you, your gear reviews are pretty much the best. You always cover the essentials and the criticisms you share are not tempered in any way. Your demonstrations are spot on...you demo the mixer and its features exactly how I would .... when you were playing around with the ISO, i caught myself yelling out " kill 'em all!" (referring to the 3 bands) ... I wanted to see for myself if it would indeed kill the entire signal.. but you did exactly that just a second after i opened my big mouth. lol that mixer looks sick, probably sounds sick too... it looks like it would be a treat to use. Rotaries are such a treat to spin on...the rackmount conundrum would also be an issue with me...but frankly i think a mixer like this would be the catalyst for changing my entire configuration in order to make sure it was properly accommodated... It would be a challenge, yes. But a labour of love and worth it imo.
@@charlesvickery as said in the video, this mixer is mostly aimed at club use, where 4 cdjs + 2 turntables is pretty much standard. Plus, the thing is 19 inches wide because it’s rack mount, so what else would you do with that space
Those “NYC disco style consoles are outdated. You had to lean over that big panel just to get to the technics… and now days.. hardly anyone uses vinyl decks. All the riders says some sort of nexus model CDJ’s and probably a pioneer mixer… it’s ridiculous. The old style booths didn’t need that much rack space.. (3) 8U racks.. all in the way of getting to the decks… idk. But, I had to build about 6 or so different designs for different layouts … all changed with time, and a lot depended on what mixer we were using …
Great video and overall review of the Union Audio Orbit.6 - I own an original Bozak CMA-10-2DLC Rotary, but this Orbit.6 takes off where Bozak and then Urei left the warm sound of pure stereo; I have to own one of these before I pass to the next life, this Orbit.6 rocks and the smoothness of the pots are truly magical even though I'm not present like you were, but I could definitely tell the quality. This is not a mass market product, it is meant to be used by discreet DJs and higher end clubs that want to deliver above the top sound
Wow. That’s a mixer to drool over. I want to hear it on the Nowadays system in NYC. Also my favorite mixer is one I own, the Mastersounds Radius 4. It strikes a beautiful balance for me. Thanks for the in-depth look, Mojaxx.
Started my DJ career in 84. In the beginning, all there was were Bozak & Urei mixers. It wasn't until my 2nd year that I used a crossfader (GLI 900). Just discovered this channel & I subscribed right away. Awesome!
Love love love rotary mixers hands down. Great for clubs and big mobile rigs. Tabletops are convenient, but again nothing in my opinion is better than rotary! Nice review, thank you Mo!
I had a rare opportunity of spinning in the V6 once way back and to this day I dream with that mixer. I am sure I ve never heard my tracks sound so good as in that mixer. Would love to try this one out. Tks for sharing sir.
You are 100% correct about the sound quality, it's like nothing else. The headroom available is just incredible and will no doubt require a different approach to mixing style. It really is that good.
In every setup bundle for sale in the back of DJ Mag throughout the 90s. Classic! I've still got my first ever mixer boxed up in the loft - Gemini PMX-15A
Very cool. Not for me, but I love seeing stuff like this being made. It would be really cool if someone opened up something like a karaoke room but with DJ gear where you could pay to try out gear like this and hang out with friends.
Lol....I was looking for some doughnut like you to say how it sounds on a video even when he says at the end of the video you can't hear the sound of it on a yt video lol...sorry mate but you just can't say what it sounds like until you hear it in real life....sorry mate to poke fun at you...but its a pet hate of mine. Peace
@@LeftCat lol...I'm tripping...I've posted this in the wrong thread...ive now got to delete it from this and post it in the right one lol... I've just driven for 3 hours fella...lol
What a great review! and a great product- maybe the factory can think about more products with this quality and this price tag - there are a lot of HIP HOP Enthusiast outside what give up a small finger for a 2 Chanel battlemixer with this quality features... - greetings from Germany!
Thanks for the review here brother. It was very timely as I was about to order the ARS 6 channel. My phone had to have been listening and this popped up in the recommended. My very 1st mixer was a rotary mixer from Japan and I used to follow Harvey around back in the day to hear the legendary sound of the v6. It was so special back then-so warm and full of emotion. As a broke college student that piece just wasn’t an option. Fast forward 25 years and a rotary collection later (still at it bc house is home for life) the downside of the ARS mixer (love it too) is the lack of 4th channel preamp for someone like me still playing on 4 turntables in additional to the 2 digital I/O. This work of art Andy has created solves everything for me personally. The rack mount means little these days-it’s not heavy like the v10 so it will be easy to fabricate a raised mount with a bit of ergonomic angle to help hand position and still have space above it to mount the ARS. It arrives Thursday so excited to build a mount for it this weekend. Will post a vid of it in action on a nice system. ☺️🙏🏽
how is it? I was about to order the ARS 6700 should I go for this instead? I currently have a rane 2016 and a steve dash phazon rotary mixer but I want the HP per channel, thanks!!!
Of course I have a wish list. I’m hard to please. I wish that filter was both high and low pass. Especially with the direct outputs on each channel. Being a producer that would come very handy but I would love to have the low and high pass filter‘s to shape the sound on the way to recording. just seems like a missed opportunity to me. And I owned a master sounds and I just can’t get used to that vertical isolator. For the price I do believe it should be a proper isolator situated horizontally. Also split EQ should happen. Not absolutely necessary but again for the price, I think it should have it. Can’t wait to see what else they come with out of that lab! I currently own the ARS 9100 ( for me an upgrade to the MS 4v). But I’m always itching for the next best thing for my hi fi system. Yeah, I’m that guy. Lol.
I am now smoking a panatella and listening to Phil Collins. My marks and spencer's knit wear has elbow patches and is a comfortable cashmere weave. I am compelled to do these things. Thanks Mojaxx - Great review. I also love your surprise on your thumbnail photo.
Great video Mojaxx - I've always upgraded my gear when i feel the limitations of the stuff i'm using is holding me back. I went from a Gemini 626 to a Pioneer DJM600 & then to my current Xone:92 and can't see why i would move from that to be honest. So would have to say that as my sound & style of DJing have changed over the years then the Xone:92 is my favourite mixer. But having said that I would ABSOLUTELY KILL to have a go on a Allen & Heath DB4, a Pioneer DJM-V10 & also a Model 1 or 1.4 to just see what they sound & feel like. I've (just about) got used to routing my EFX/RMX-1000 through the 4th channel on the Xone:92 but still can be a bit to get my head around, so would also like to use a Allen & Heath PX5 but it's a shame that mixer only has the 3 band EQ, A&H ABSOLUTLY missed a trick with that one. If anyone in Newcastle has a DB4, DJM-v10, Model1 or 1.4 & is willing to give me an hour on them..............
I have a px5 and got to have a go on a DB4 a few weeks ago. To be honest I was pretty disappointed with it. The sound quality was pretty crap compared to their analogue mixers. The filter was no where near as nice sounding either. Shame really !
the rack mounted set up of it is nice for the sound system culture side of things where you bring in a rolling rack with power amps and your system eq and limiter and on the top this mixer would be a brute. I'm seriously considering this for my dub stack
Thanks for your honestly Mojaxx… the mixer looks dope but also looks a lot like a Mastetsounds which is fair. I’m sure it’s a beast. Let’s hope for a 4 channels (or even 2) which gives us some hope in pricing ;)
those direct outs are super useful, im imagine what a bliss could be play a full eurorack system through this mixer recording straight to multitrack to make tracks later trough some editing on your daw!!
Yeah if I could afford a decent rotary mixer, I wouldn't mind having one for certain gigs. As an Aussie, I'd probably get a Condesa, partly because I'm supporting local business, but mostly because it would be easier to have servicing done.
I’m planning to get into Rotary mixers because they offer a precise level of mixing. I don’t like much straight/drastic music cuts so a regular mixer doesn’t appeal much to me (except the Model 1.4) so what I’m thinking is the MasterSounds radius 2 or 4 because I need 4 channels, this seems to be a beast
I've been mixing for over 25 years on linear input faders and just gone to rotarys...they are limited compared to linear....personally linear are better....there is way too much if a hype over rotary.... You also contradicted your self lol... You will love the mastersounds mixers.
I wonder how Mastersounds FX Unit plays with it.... I hope they make a "non racking" 2 channel version... lastly..... will they make they're own FX unit? ..... love the video Mojaxx!
Given all that you are getting with this mixer, the price is very fair. High quality parts cost more but make a big difference. Just as an example, volume pots are critical for sound quality. Cheap pots degrade the signal. A good volume pot from a really good company like Alps, can cost over $50 each. (And that's a wholesale price to a manufacturer.). Obviously, they can't use $50 pots on everything or the mixer would sell for a lot more money, but they most likely used pots that cost about $10-$15. That alone is a lot of money, and you're just getting started.
Difficult decision as i already own ARS 9100 and 9100B ........ Tabletop is much better unless you have a dedicated booth .... be interesting to put the ARS up against this on a big system for sure as I love the way the ARS sounds! whats your thoughts mate?
looks cool and i'd love to hear it at some point but in terms of flexibility i feel like the lack of a high EQ could be a nightmare for improv sets and restrict your track selection during set planning. in my library there are a lot of good (lossless!) tunes that simply need a bit of highs adjustment, either because the master mix was dull from the start or the vinyl rip was from an old record or the highs are just too sharp when making a long blend between tracks (i'm mixing jungle and drum and bass mostly where you really have to be careful not to overload the frequencies and create painful high clashes of hi-hats etc). so yeah i don't think this mixer would be for me, even if i could justify the price. i just feel like you have to have an incredibly high-quality music library and weed out anything that doesn't have balanced highs.
Lossless is definitely the best way to go, and you shouldn't have any more problems than you do with something like an MP-3. The issues you mention are almost certainly do to something else. When you rip vinyl use a regular phono cart and not a DJ cart. DJ carts are not meant for sound quality. Its a special application product. No need to get anything really expensive. A $100-$200 MM cart is all you need. "have to be careful not to overload the frequencies and create painful high clashes of hi-hats etc" That shouldn't happen either. Properly setting your gain structure should eliminate the issue. What you need to do is look at the entire signal path and make note of every "volume" or level type of control. For example, trim, channel faders, preamp volume, etc... Anything that controls the signal level. Once you list them all, go through each one and determine if its a volume control or a gain control. There's a big difference. Gain controls are on the input of a component and volume controls are on the output of a component. Gain controls can distort/overload the signal, and volume controls can't. Ignore volume controls and set your gains first. Once you have the gains set properly, you can't distort the signal. Then you use volume controls to adjust loudness. One thing DJ's are always worried about is red lining the signal. (And you should be concerned.). However, if you have your gain structure set correctly and you start to red line when you raise your volume controls, its perfectly fine. Red lining is only a problem if its from too much gain. So, don't worry about overdriving the signal from volume.
@@AT-wl9yq 1. you can't get everything in lossless and bad masters exist. 2. you can't use volume alone for all transitions and for double-drops (in the case of D&B) it certainly never works. if clashing basslines exist, so do clashing mids and highs. if you play two neuro tracks on top of each other, there's a high chance you'll have way too loud highs unless you use the EQ. you can easily see how strong this effect is by recording a D&B double-drop with a lot of headroom and looking at the waveform.
Why only a high pass on each channel?? I love how playDifferently uses filters instead of EQs on the Model 1 & 1.4, but at least you get lo pass, hi pass, and user set band pass filters. Having just a hi pass filter w/o EQs is extremely limiting. What if I just want to cut the lows on a particular channel w/o losing any hi or mid freq? U can't. Is that normal with rotaries?
Urei 1620 my fav. still own it. never needed the 3 band. eq and mixes were seemless. i remember when it was the club standard. wondering how this compares to the alpha recording systems (japan) or the euphonia for EDM and classic disco freestyle tracks. How would you differentiate the 3 from sound quality standpoint? can the euphonia really keep up with the legacy great?
It would of been great Mojaxx if you did that review of the Clarity A system. You might have picked up on the fundamental floor that comes inherently in concentricly designed speakers that after purchasing (now regretfully) have found that TPI have not overcome like some of their competitors. That is I've learned after a lot of research, intermodulation distortion! Certain low frequencies modulating or cancelling certain high frequencies. Half my tracks sound like they're gargling water. I wonder if Steve has noticed!
That’s strange they are used to making high end cinema audio so I would presume they know all about distortion, saying that may have had a budget to fit to with the clarity A and used materials that Will distort the sound
Most joy? A djm 500 and 600. They were king of clubs for so long. Im justused to them. 600 us probably my fave cos i loved the sampler. But these days, allan heath xone 96. I just love the filters and sound.
They are definitely used in specific scenes, whereas pioneer are appropriate for most kinds of DJ. I hated the xone 92 at first but after playing with it for a while you can really make it sing.
How did it go with the V10? I've been ogling one for about 2 years but recently bought an Allen and Heath DB4 for £900 notes, whereas the V10 looks like a similarly complicated machine - Mixer geeks unite!!!!!
@@omselection438 honestly, it’s a machine that has a (to me) unparalelled depth. I came from the 900NXS2 and the X1800Prime. I’m still getting used to the send/return style effects and I’m a little sad I can assign only one channel to the beatFX at a time, but it keeps me on my toes and I’ve never looked back!! I’ve looked into the DB4 as well and that still tickles my interest, too!! (I think I’d get lost in the FX on that tho 😇)
@@omselection438 it’s a very flexible and pleasing mixer. Kind of takes the best bits of xone 92/96 and the best of the 900NXS and blends them together. While it does a lot of different things, it’s not confusing to use.
Beast-mode mixer which I'd love to play on, though I believe the StpVX Phoenix is/was more expensive at $10,000, though I suspect in reality it's mostly vapourware.
Great review, great mixer. It’s unfortunate for union audio to be ready for production during the current economic situation. A £5500 mixer is something not everyone can afford that easy, like you say they weren’t targeting a price range market. That said, I would like to see a smaller version, say, an orbit 2 or orbit 4 (if possible). MasterSounds look to succeeded doing that, maybe that wasn’t Andy’s personal idea.
I agree. I had the MasterSounds v4. My opinion, a valve mixer with channel HP filters instead of channel EQs is missing for someone with a smaller budget and space. I’m waiting for that to come
What most people do is buy mixers like this and then run them on cheap set ups....its like running a Ferrari on re-moulds.... I have a Matersounds 4v and uprated psu running on a 30 grand system.... ATC SCM 20 SPEAKERS 2 REL SUBS AUDIO RESEARCH SP9 VALVE PRE AMP MARK LEVINSON ML9 POWER AMP THOUSANDS OF POUNDS WORTH OF SPEAKER, RCA, POWER CABLES....ETC. let's just say I hear and reap the benefits of a good mixer!
Why they didn't put LPF??? Why?.... I would buy this mixer tomorrow if there was a way to modulate high frequencies. I own Xone 92 for many years and now I am looking for something new, but having only HPF is not enough, in my opinion...
I must say. Proper MTB bike cost around that price and even up to 8.5K GBP, so 5.5GK GBP is good price considering that great equipment for your hobby is expensive.
@@Mojaxx I've 4V.. (maybe) best sound ever I played by a mixer (and I owned 'a bunch': Model 1.. Pioneer DJM-V10.. Pioneer DJM-900NXS2.. Pioneer S9.. A&H Xone DB4.. A&H Xone 92.. A&H Xone 96.. A&H Xone PX5.. Rane MP2015.. Rane Seventy A-TRAK.. Rane 72mki)
Rotary mixers are making some real advancements currently, which I love. The prices.. not so much, however. I saw a Rane MP2015 for sale for $10K (brand new).. SMH.. I get inflation, but that is NUTZ... Nobody is going to pay that...
They only made 300, and i never got a response to my emails for pricing or availability, so in a way it might not be the most expensive one since they are all gone :D
@@JOKEMMM Maybe it does not exist / did not make it into production; TPI’s site only shows very good 3D renderings, there seems to be no other images out there
I feel so out of place as a rotary head lol I could not give a single crap about vinyl, I mean it’s cool, fun hobby. But I’m not going out of my way to accumulate a collection when I already have everything I like in AIFF. Still though, I am obsessed with rotary analog mixers 🤪
i like the Master Sounds range especially when they combine the rotary thing with a cross fader.I am not a big rotary fan but i have seen one or two that i like and there are a few with cross faders and some are even a reasonable price.I might get one for my vinyl collection one day.Not this one though
Thanks for the review, but I find this mixer very limited. Have tried the V6 a couple of times, and loved the smooth blending/transitions, pretty unique. But the 2 extra isolators were a must for EQ. Not every record sounds the same, some need EQ adjustment, and not every track mixed in has to come with the highs/meds. This Orbit6 mixer does not allow to come in with just the kick. I would still spend my money on a Alpha Recording System mixer rather than this one.
Mojaxx: gotta hand it to you, your gear reviews are pretty much the best. You always cover the essentials and the criticisms you share are not tempered in any way. Your demonstrations are spot on...you demo the mixer and its features exactly how I would .... when you were playing around with the ISO, i caught myself yelling out " kill 'em all!" (referring to the 3 bands) ... I wanted to see for myself if it would indeed kill the entire signal.. but you did exactly that just a second after i opened my big mouth. lol
that mixer looks sick, probably sounds sick too... it looks like it would be a treat to use. Rotaries are such a treat to spin on...the rackmount conundrum would also be an issue with me...but frankly i think a mixer like this would be the catalyst for changing my entire configuration in order to make sure it was properly accommodated... It would be a challenge, yes. But a labour of love and worth it imo.
I'd love this in a 2-channel "micro" version for at home fun. Those ultra-violet lights are to die for.
Agreed - 6 ch feels like overkill for the sake of it
@@charlesvickery as said in the video, this mixer is mostly aimed at club use, where 4 cdjs + 2 turntables is pretty much standard. Plus, the thing is 19 inches wide because it’s rack mount, so what else would you do with that space
3 channels would be sweet with a way to hook up expanders with more channels
Am I the only one who likes old school dj booths lol. This mixer is a work of art. That HPF was silky smooth
You are not the only one, absolutely not! They just aren’t MY bag.
@@Mojaxx it’s just nostalgia for me. My first action was in those booths, reaching over the mixer for the turn tables.
Those “NYC disco style consoles are outdated. You had to lean over that big panel just to get to the technics… and now days.. hardly anyone uses vinyl decks. All the riders says some sort of nexus model CDJ’s and probably a pioneer mixer… it’s ridiculous. The old style booths didn’t need that much rack space.. (3) 8U racks.. all in the way of getting to the decks… idk. But, I had to build about 6 or so different designs for different layouts … all changed with time, and a lot depended on what mixer we were using …
Great video and overall review of the Union Audio Orbit.6 - I own an original Bozak CMA-10-2DLC Rotary, but this Orbit.6 takes off where Bozak and then Urei left the warm sound of pure stereo; I have to own one of these before I pass to the next life, this Orbit.6 rocks and the smoothness of the pots are truly magical even though I'm not present like you were, but I could definitely tell the quality. This is not a mass market product, it is meant to be used by discreet DJs and higher end clubs that want to deliver above the top sound
I was waiting for the mandatory Joe Clausell reference.
Always! It's said with love, he's awesome.
What a breath of fresh air in reviews again Mojaxx. Keep speaking your truth.
Compressed on RUclips, this mixer already sounds better than my Pioneer DJM 800
The 800 is a decent mixer… hard to beat… the final decent mixer from PIO
Looks beautiful. Perfectly happy with my Radius 4 though.
Wow. That’s a mixer to drool over. I want to hear it on the Nowadays system in NYC. Also my favorite mixer is one I own, the Mastersounds Radius 4. It strikes a beautiful balance for me. Thanks for the in-depth look, Mojaxx.
Started my DJ career in 84. In the beginning, all there was were Bozak & Urei mixers. It wasn't until my 2nd year that I used a crossfader (GLI 900). Just discovered this channel & I subscribed right away. Awesome!
Love love love rotary mixers hands down. Great for clubs and big mobile rigs. Tabletops are convenient, but again nothing in my opinion is better than rotary! Nice review, thank you Mo!
Those high pass filters are divine!!!! Great review!!!!
I had a rare opportunity of spinning in the V6 once way back and to this day I dream with that mixer. I am sure I ve never heard my tracks sound so good as in that mixer. Would love to try this one out. Tks for sharing sir.
I would still prefer the V6.
You are 100% correct about the sound quality, it's like nothing else. The headroom available is just incredible and will no doubt require a different approach to mixing style. It really is that good.
My fave mixer ever? Made to fade gm25. It taught me everything I needed to know❤️
In every setup bundle for sale in the back of DJ Mag throughout the 90s. Classic! I've still got my first ever mixer boxed up in the loft - Gemini PMX-15A
Very cool. Not for me, but I love seeing stuff like this being made. It would be really cool if someone opened up something like a karaoke room but with DJ gear where you could pay to try out gear like this and hang out with friends.
Lol....I was looking for some doughnut like you to say how it sounds on a video even when he says at the end of the video you can't hear the sound of it on a yt video lol...sorry mate but you just can't say what it sounds like until you hear it in real life....sorry mate to poke fun at you...but its a pet hate of mine.
Peace
@@Dee.J.Mogfry no one mentioned being able to hear how it sounds.
@@LeftCat that's coz they deleted their comment lol.
@@LeftCat lol...I'm tripping...I've posted this in the wrong thread...ive now got to delete it from this and post it in the right one lol...
I've just driven for 3 hours fella...lol
What a great review! and a great product- maybe the factory can think about more products with this quality and this price tag - there are a lot of HIP HOP Enthusiast outside what give up a small finger for a 2 Chanel battlemixer with this quality features... - greetings from Germany!
Rodex MX 180 Mk 3, love that Mixer. Definetely my favorite.
my favorite mixer is my current one , which is rotary version of a realistic 32 1200 I diy'ed myself.
Thanks for the review here brother. It was very timely as I was about to order the ARS 6 channel. My phone had to have been listening and this popped up in the recommended. My very 1st mixer was a rotary mixer from Japan and I used to follow Harvey around back in the day to hear the legendary sound of the v6. It was so special back then-so warm and full of emotion. As a broke college student that piece just wasn’t an option. Fast forward 25 years and a rotary collection later (still at it bc house is home for life) the downside of the ARS mixer (love it too) is the lack of 4th channel preamp for someone like me still playing on 4 turntables in additional to the 2 digital I/O. This work of art Andy has created solves everything for me personally. The rack mount means little these days-it’s not heavy like the v10 so it will be easy to fabricate a raised mount with a bit of ergonomic angle to help hand position and still have space above it to mount the ARS. It arrives Thursday so excited to build a mount for it this weekend. Will post a vid of it in action on a nice system. ☺️🙏🏽
how is it? I was about to order the ARS 6700 should I go for this instead? I currently have a rane 2016 and a steve dash phazon rotary mixer but I want the HP per channel, thanks!!!
Of course I have a wish list. I’m hard to please. I wish that filter was both high and low pass. Especially with the direct outputs on each channel. Being a producer that would come very handy but I would love to have the low and high pass filter‘s to shape the sound on the way to recording. just seems like a missed opportunity to me.
And I owned a master sounds and I just can’t get used to that vertical isolator.
For the price I do believe it should be a proper isolator situated horizontally. Also split EQ should happen. Not absolutely necessary but again for the price, I think it should have it. Can’t wait to see what else they come with out of that lab!
I currently own the ARS 9100 ( for me an upgrade to the MS 4v). But I’m always itching for the next best thing for my hi fi system.
Yeah, I’m that guy. Lol.
Quality balanced and fair review - thanks for your work Chris ✊🏻👊🏻
Please do a review of Resor Electronics. If love to hear your thoughts on their rotary mixers
I am now smoking a panatella and listening to Phil Collins. My marks and spencer's knit wear has elbow patches and is a comfortable cashmere weave. I am compelled to do these things. Thanks Mojaxx - Great review. I also love your surprise on your thumbnail photo.
I really like the low, mid, high, for the master out, what a cool feature!!
Yeah that’s all good but where’s the socket for the gooseneck lamp?! 😂
Also for that price could include a one ear headphone too xD
I love the HPF as the only tone control. Very realistic and practical.
Thanks for the review mate, you are the best!
Thanks! Love your channel dude. Superb content.
Brilliant review as usual
Plz do a formula sound review Mojaxx
Great video Mojaxx - I've always upgraded my gear when i feel the limitations of the stuff i'm using is holding me back. I went from a Gemini 626 to a Pioneer DJM600 & then to my current Xone:92 and can't see why i would move from that to be honest. So would have to say that as my sound & style of DJing have changed over the years then the Xone:92 is my favourite mixer. But having said that I would ABSOLUTELY KILL to have a go on a Allen & Heath DB4, a Pioneer DJM-V10 & also a Model 1 or 1.4 to just see what they sound & feel like. I've (just about) got used to routing my EFX/RMX-1000 through the 4th channel on the Xone:92 but still can be a bit to get my head around, so would also like to use a Allen & Heath PX5 but it's a shame that mixer only has the 3 band EQ, A&H ABSOLUTLY missed a trick with that one.
If anyone in Newcastle has a DB4, DJM-v10, Model1 or 1.4 & is willing to give me an hour on them..............
I have a px5 and got to have a go on a DB4 a few weeks ago. To be honest I was pretty disappointed with it. The sound quality was pretty crap compared to their analogue mixers. The filter was no where near as nice sounding either. Shame really !
Would like to see a crossfader option like the V6 had, for those of us who like dance music and other types of music as well.
Thats why I bought a Master Sounds Four Valve Mk 2 👌
@@marcusstubbs6034 can the valves be bypassed if they burn out?
@@OLSKOOLOUTCAST No idea! Doubt it, might be a repair job
@@marcusstubbs6034 that would suck if it happened during a set.
Very very Old School. Get ya from a to b nicely 🌟🙂
It’s a while since I’ve wasted h you Fella. Total side thing. You look healthy with the weight loss. Good job
the rack mounted set up of it is nice for the sound system culture side of things where you bring in a rolling rack with power amps and your system eq and limiter and on the top this mixer would be a brute. I'm seriously considering this for my dub stack
Thanks for your honestly Mojaxx… the mixer looks dope but also looks a lot like a Mastetsounds which is fair. I’m sure it’s a beast. Let’s hope for a 4 channels (or even 2) which gives us some hope in pricing ;)
Great review mate, Thankyou !
Love it. Its all about sound quality. I need to save some money 😄
Very, very interesting!
Out of curiosity, what delay unit were you using ?
Whatever your mixer , the best is the loudspeaker and amplifier you used is the important in sound system
Great video and explanation, truly a glorious mixer
those direct outs are super useful, im imagine what a bliss could be play a full eurorack system through this mixer recording straight to multitrack to make tracks later trough some editing on your daw!!
Hmmm do I sell my Bozak and Urei to get one of these?
Yeah if I could afford a decent rotary mixer, I wouldn't mind having one for certain gigs. As an Aussie, I'd probably get a Condesa, partly because I'm supporting local business, but mostly because it would be easier to have servicing done.
I’m planning to get into Rotary mixers because they offer a precise level of mixing. I don’t like much straight/drastic music cuts so a regular mixer doesn’t appeal much to me (except the Model 1.4) so what I’m thinking is the MasterSounds radius 2 or 4 because I need 4 channels, this seems to be a beast
I've been mixing for over 25 years on linear input faders and just gone to rotarys...they are limited compared to linear....personally linear are better....there is way too much if a hype over rotary....
You also contradicted your self lol...
You will love the mastersounds mixers.
Wow. I'm in love...
Hi Mojaxx, I have the Model 1.4, I think think that’s the best sounding mixer I have ever heard. How do you think it compares to this mixer ?
The 1.4 is more flat, doesn’t have the wallop in the low end which this has. But that’s not saying it’s better or worse, just different.
@@Mojaxx Thnx Mojaxx, you rock !
I wonder how Mastersounds FX Unit plays with it.... I hope they make a "non racking" 2 channel version... lastly..... will they make they're own FX unit? ..... love the video Mojaxx!
@@djstuc Thank you kindly buddy
@@djstuc I have one.... the latest gen... L-O-V-E IT!
if this thing is priced at 6k im curious what the new rodec mx modular will cost.
All tube layout , made for the highest quality and frequency response.. then most play MP3 quality tracks via serato through it 😂
Given all that you are getting with this mixer, the price is very fair. High quality parts cost more but make a big difference. Just as an example, volume pots are critical for sound quality. Cheap pots degrade the signal. A good volume pot from a really good company like Alps, can cost over $50 each. (And that's a wholesale price to a manufacturer.). Obviously, they can't use $50 pots on everything or the mixer would sell for a lot more money, but they most likely used pots that cost about $10-$15. That alone is a lot of money, and you're just getting started.
I actually shit my pants when you said the price.
LOL
I had a big chuckle, that's crazy money for a DJ mixer
Crazy how the most expensive mixer numbers and lettering is rubbing off so easy!!!
Difficult decision as i already own ARS 9100 and 9100B ........ Tabletop is much better unless you have a dedicated booth .... be interesting to put the ARS up against this on a big system for sure as I love the way the ARS sounds! whats your thoughts mate?
I would love that battle also. I’m in ARS 9100b also. (“ Upgrade “ from MS 4v)
same boat, thinking is it worth to change ars 9100 on the orbit 6? especially for minimal.
looks cool and i'd love to hear it at some point but in terms of flexibility i feel like the lack of a high EQ could be a nightmare for improv sets and restrict your track selection during set planning. in my library there are a lot of good (lossless!) tunes that simply need a bit of highs adjustment, either because the master mix was dull from the start or the vinyl rip was from an old record or the highs are just too sharp when making a long blend between tracks (i'm mixing jungle and drum and bass mostly where you really have to be careful not to overload the frequencies and create painful high clashes of hi-hats etc).
so yeah i don't think this mixer would be for me, even if i could justify the price. i just feel like you have to have an incredibly high-quality music library and weed out anything that doesn't have balanced highs.
Lossless is definitely the best way to go, and you shouldn't have any more problems than you do with something like an MP-3. The issues you mention are almost certainly do to something else. When you rip vinyl use a regular phono cart and not a DJ cart. DJ carts are not meant for sound quality. Its a special application product. No need to get anything really expensive. A $100-$200 MM cart is all you need.
"have to be careful not to overload the frequencies and create painful high clashes of hi-hats etc"
That shouldn't happen either. Properly setting your gain structure should eliminate the issue. What you need to do is look at the entire signal path and make note of every "volume" or level type of control. For example, trim, channel faders, preamp volume, etc... Anything that controls the signal level. Once you list them all, go through each one and determine if its a volume control or a gain control. There's a big difference. Gain controls are on the input of a component and volume controls are on the output of a component. Gain controls can distort/overload the signal, and volume controls can't. Ignore volume controls and set your gains first. Once you have the gains set properly, you can't distort the signal. Then you use volume controls to adjust loudness.
One thing DJ's are always worried about is red lining the signal. (And you should be concerned.). However, if you have your gain structure set correctly and you start to red line when you raise your volume controls, its perfectly fine. Red lining is only a problem if its from too much gain. So, don't worry about overdriving the signal from volume.
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1. you can't get everything in lossless and bad masters exist.
2. you can't use volume alone for all transitions and for double-drops (in the case of D&B) it certainly never works. if clashing basslines exist, so do clashing mids and highs. if you play two neuro tracks on top of each other, there's a high chance you'll have way too loud highs unless you use the EQ. you can easily see how strong this effect is by recording a D&B double-drop with a lot of headroom and looking at the waveform.
Oooof, that is bad-ass
Smoothest knobs I have ever heard.
Why only a high pass on each channel?? I love how playDifferently uses filters instead of EQs on the Model 1 & 1.4, but at least you get lo pass, hi pass, and user set band pass filters. Having just a hi pass filter w/o EQs is extremely limiting. What if I just want to cut the lows on a particular channel w/o losing any hi or mid freq? U can't. Is that normal with rotaries?
Urei 1620 my fav. still own it. never needed the 3 band. eq and mixes were seemless. i remember when it was the club standard.
wondering how this compares to the alpha recording systems (japan) or the euphonia for EDM and classic disco freestyle tracks.
How would you differentiate the 3 from sound quality standpoint? can the euphonia really keep up with the legacy great?
It would of been great Mojaxx if you did that review of the Clarity A system. You might have picked up on the fundamental floor that comes inherently in concentricly designed speakers that after purchasing (now regretfully) have found that TPI have not overcome like some of their competitors. That is I've learned after a lot of research, intermodulation distortion! Certain low frequencies modulating or cancelling certain high frequencies. Half my tracks sound like they're gargling water. I wonder if Steve has noticed!
That’s strange they are used to making high end cinema audio so I would presume they know all about distortion, saying that may have had a budget to fit to with the clarity A and used materials that Will distort the sound
I cannot see any return controls, just the sends at the top of each channel?
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I miss the eq kill buttons.
Most joy? A djm 500 and 600. They were king of clubs for so long. Im justused to them. 600 us probably my fave cos i loved the sampler. But these days, allan heath xone 96. I just love the filters and sound.
Where can I buy it?
My fave mixer? The ‘GM 25 Made 2 Fade’ by Kam, of course. It had a better crossfader than many mixers now but worse everything else.
*I’ve never seen an Allen & Heath DJ mixer in the wild.*
@@djstuc Anywhere outside of the UK?
They are definitely used in specific scenes, whereas pioneer are appropriate for most kinds of DJ. I hated the xone 92 at first but after playing with it for a while you can really make it sing.
nostálgica Vestax PMC-400
Dang!!! What a way to get moist.
I was wondering what happened to that Clarity A review.
We have an S6 / are these quite similar then / or is it different components
I would like to get my hands on this mixer is it available now for purchase
Yup!
Can I justify getting this?
I knew I shouldn’t’ve watched this… now I want it, and we all know how that went with the V10 🤦🏼
How did it go with the V10? I've been ogling one for about 2 years but recently bought an Allen and Heath DB4 for £900 notes, whereas the V10 looks like a similarly complicated machine - Mixer geeks unite!!!!!
@@omselection438 honestly, it’s a machine that has a (to me) unparalelled depth. I came from the 900NXS2 and the X1800Prime. I’m still getting used to the send/return style effects and I’m a little sad I can assign only one channel to the beatFX at a time, but it keeps me on my toes and I’ve never looked back!! I’ve looked into the DB4 as well and that still tickles my interest, too!! (I think I’d get lost in the FX on that tho 😇)
@@omselection438 it’s a very flexible and pleasing mixer. Kind of takes the best bits of xone 92/96 and the best of the 900NXS and blends them together. While it does a lot of different things, it’s not confusing to use.
Beast-mode mixer which I'd love to play on, though I believe the StpVX Phoenix is/was more expensive at $10,000, though I suspect in reality it's mostly vapourware.
But can you trust Cleveland Terry?
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For that price I would have liked low pass filters too..
Yeah man! Agreed
Can you trust Mojaxx ?
If this mixer was cut in half and stacked on top. I would buy 3 channel version with filters and master section stacked on top 🔥💪🏻
I'm confused. Where are the 2nd EQ knobs? I only see one set on highs mids lows?
@@djstuc I see. But there master EQ knobs? On the right hand side
Why do so few rotary mixers have cross-faders?
the whole point of a rotary is to mix using the pots. That's why there is no crossfader.
Rotary mixers are meant for blends. Regardless though, you still mix with a crossfader? And im not talking about scratching
@@aringrey Yeah I see that but other rotary mixers such as Master Sounds Two-Valve and Omnitronic 422 include cross-faders.
The cross fader ads another signal path for the audio channels to travel through. Another point where the audio quality could be affected.
@@darktherapy It's usually assignable to channels though.. so you can bypass
Great review, great mixer.
It’s unfortunate for union audio to be ready for production during the current economic situation. A £5500 mixer is something not everyone can afford that easy, like you say they weren’t targeting a price range market. That said, I would like to see a smaller version, say, an orbit 2 or orbit 4 (if possible). MasterSounds look to succeeded doing that, maybe that wasn’t Andy’s personal idea.
I agree. I had the MasterSounds v4. My opinion, a valve mixer with channel HP filters instead of channel EQs is missing for someone with a smaller budget and space. I’m waiting for that to come
What most people do is buy mixers like this and then run them on cheap set ups....its like running a Ferrari on re-moulds....
I have a Matersounds 4v and uprated psu running on a 30 grand system....
ATC SCM 20 SPEAKERS
2 REL SUBS
AUDIO RESEARCH SP9 VALVE PRE AMP
MARK LEVINSON ML9 POWER AMP
THOUSANDS OF POUNDS WORTH OF SPEAKER, RCA, POWER CABLES....ETC.
let's just say I hear and reap the benefits of a good mixer!
The orbit sounds faaaaaaat! 😱Even though RUclips
The stpVestax Phoenix mixer costs 10k USD.
would be nice if they made a 2 channel
yeah thats the first thing that struck me was the similarity to the Allen and Heath mixer at least superficially
Why they didn't put LPF??? Why?.... I would buy this mixer tomorrow if there was a way to modulate high frequencies. I own Xone 92 for many years and now I am looking for something new, but having only HPF is not enough, in my opinion...
I must say. Proper MTB bike cost around that price and even up to 8.5K GBP, so 5.5GK GBP is good price considering that great equipment for your hobby is expensive.
Allô, could I talk to my beloved bank accountant please ? :p
IF ONLY WE COULD AFFORD THE HIGH END AMP AND MONITORS TO APPRECOATE THE QUALITY SOUND THE MIXER GIVES OUT :*(
Has Andy Rigby-Jones clashed with Mastersounds Co.?
No, they’re still working together on the Mastersounds range.
@@Mojaxx I've 4V.. (maybe) best sound ever I played by a mixer (and I owned 'a bunch': Model 1.. Pioneer DJM-V10.. Pioneer DJM-900NXS2.. Pioneer S9.. A&H Xone DB4.. A&H Xone 92.. A&H Xone 96.. A&H Xone PX5.. Rane MP2015.. Rane Seventy A-TRAK.. Rane 72mki)
@@djbobrokk723 Bob you got a lotta big mixers. What styles do you play?
That looks crazy
Rotary mixers are making some real advancements currently, which I love. The prices.. not so much, however. I saw a Rane MP2015 for sale for $10K (brand new).. SMH.. I get inflation, but that is NUTZ... Nobody is going to pay that...
Pretty sure the "TPI type14" is more expensive
Release date ?
They only made 300, and i never got a response to my emails for pricing or availability, so in a way it might not be the most expensive one since they are all gone :D
@@JOKEMMM Maybe it does not exist / did not make it into production; TPI’s site only shows very good 3D renderings, there seems to be no other images out there
you might be right on that one :/
Fuck...
@@JOKEMMM Nice marketing tho; building a myth
I feel so out of place as a rotary head lol
I could not give a single crap about vinyl, I mean it’s cool, fun hobby. But I’m not going out of my way to accumulate a collection when I already have everything I like in AIFF.
Still though, I am obsessed with rotary analog mixers 🤪
Where is the sync button ???….
i like the Master Sounds range especially when they combine the rotary thing with a cross fader.I am not a big rotary fan but i have seen one or two that i like and there are a few with cross faders and some are even a reasonable price.I might get one for my vinyl collection one day.Not this one though
Thanks for the review, but I find this mixer very limited. Have tried the V6 a couple of times, and loved the smooth blending/transitions, pretty unique. But the 2 extra isolators were a must for EQ. Not every record sounds the same, some need EQ adjustment, and not every track mixed in has to come with the highs/meds. This Orbit6 mixer does not allow to come in with just the kick. I would still spend my money on a Alpha Recording System mixer rather than this one.
Nothing beats the Rodec MX180 MKII