"I hate the Space Wolves, I hate the Space Wolves, oh that guy is pretty dope, I hate oh yeah he's cool I HATE THE SPACE oh, that dude with the demon axe is okay in my book....where was I? "
"Wolf-brothers, grab your wolf-sword, your wolf-armor, the wolf-bolter and board the wolf-ship. As a wolf pack we are going to fight, to save the wolf-planet, for the she-wolves and their wolf pups. Then we will fly the wolf banner and have a wolf feast with wolf-beer. We'll even grill some wolves. Brother Lupus, go to Wolfmart, and buy some wolf chops."
But Wolf Brother Fenrir, the wolf-car is out of wolf-fuel and we don’t have enough wolf-cash to wolf-hunt for wolf-more. Also the wolf-dog has started to wolf-bark like a wolf-wolf. Wolf
I'm a Dark Angel fan, so learning about the Space Wolves has been vital for me (it's so I can insult them accurately). What has instead happened is that I've actually started to like the Wolves, at least in 30k. They have a genuine arc, Leman Russ is great, and as a whole they feel less "WOLF WOLF WOLF" and more like vikings with some wolf influences.
Agreed, when I read the units I thought “ok this is gonna be a stupid chapter and stupid lore with a stupid Primarch” but actually they are badass and are some pretty cool characters. Compared to Ultra marines they feel more aged and primed rather than “my character is better than yours cause he’s THE ULTRA MARINES” with characters like Logan Grimnar the wolves are just based
Honestly, your best insult is going to be to treat them like a dog, I suggest the DBZA Vegeta method of "want a biscuit" and then proceed to throw a dog treat at them.
so what happend to you is the ACTUAL relationship between them... Space wolves and dark angels are rivals... not enemies... you hear many characters from both faction expressing deep respect for one another in the lore.
As a Space Wolves fan I did the exact same thing with the Dark Angels (so I can insult you closeted heretics accurately). But now…. I think the Lion el’Jonson and the Dark Angels might just be my 3rd favorite legion (especially after reading his new novel, son of the Forrest), second place goes to Dorn and his Imperial Fists
That would make them an enemy to the imperium, with the whole xenophobia and all, probably leading to the entire legion being declared filthy xenos loving heretics. However there are already space marines mercenaries. Google ‘black shields’ maybe you might be interested
So I have always viewed the Space Wolves as kind of "Space Punks". You got the rowdy new kids acting extra to get noticed in the scene "Blood Claws", The established crew of said scene "Grey Hunters", The old heads tend to get real possessive of the scene, and kinda speak sharply about the changes "Long Fangs", And then there are the ones that help promote the scene, "Wolf Scouts". The venues are generally run DIY so everyone involved in facilitating the shows, "Wolf Guard", and the Sound Guy is The "Wolf Lord".
You could do a video on Lucas alone. He's entertaining as hell. Stasis grenade aside, he's on record saying he spends his downtime on Fenris boning villagers and has been kicked out of almost every great company. He's in Ragnar's great company because Ragnar figured his ability to mess with the enemy is minutely more valuable than the peace of mind the lords would get by finally executing him.
That's a perfect example of how little some of them care about compliance in general, even among their own superiors. Thank you for sharing- I look forward to learning more about Lucas.
@@sonicsucks20Lukas is not really a marry sue, like fuck he’s a troll but he has a shit ton of experience and has a stasis grenade as one of his hearts after a drukhari ripped the other out so that if he ever dies his foe will go down as well
I think my absolute biggest gripe about the space wolves is that they are known as "werewolf space VIKINGS".... keyword there that apparently GW forgot immediately after they made the decision is viking. Vikings are damn cool and are a very specific type of culture that really just was kind of thrown to the side except for maybe their hair styles. I mean, there are so many cool ways they could have implemented viking culture into what the space wolves do. They could have focused on how vikings were one of the first conquerors to go to unknown lands by fleets of boats for example. There just isn't a lot of viking included in the lore. And when they named everything they have as the "wolf _____" they could have fixed the dullness of that by using viking terminology instead naming everything with the word wolf. They just were not fleshed out in a good way as a Legion. I like leman quite a lot even if I think he can be kind of dumb at times. But a lot of the creative lore decisions were just not well made. It feels like they could have just left out the viking part of their description completely, and honestly I don't think anything would change with the lore. Which is sad, vikings are cool as hell.
i think that suppose to be the partying, berserker like charges, the heavy drinking etc. which do describe Vikings but also many warrior cultures. I do Love them though
@Shana Valkyria you're not wrong, but yeah the drinking can cover a lot of cultures and they did make them look like vikings. There are just a lot of other things I think they could have done. It feels like they really locked on to the wolf thing and kind of let the viking portion become an aesthetic thing.
I think the Viking thing is really just so the players can roleplay as the chapter without having to do the work of saying what's Viking about them. Like you know for a fact some players really try to embody the themes their Marines represent or even choosing them based on what they like beforehand. You can be goth, militaristic, knightly, then you got that one guy wearing Mjolnir necklaces and wolf t-shirts who sees the most lazy representation of Vikings as 40K figures, branded as wolves to the point of echoing and they go "Omg that's so me". Then you don't need to say what's Viking about them, the player does all the work for ya.
I think the league's of votann are like the other part of viking culture. They do exploring and have norse-sounding names. GW should have added that to space wolves but its good we got it in some form nonetheless
Space Wolves is what got me into 40k. I went into a my local cards and comic shop and i always saw the minis but never got into the hobby. One day I actively decided to look at the models and I didnt really like anything except tau designs until i saw space marines on giant wolves with chainsaw swords.
So through this video I both learned why people have such strong opinions about the Space Wolves. I also learned that I can't hate them, anymore than I could hate the fast food worker wearing a costume on Halloween. Like, I just can't. X) They are so *silly*.
See, this is kind of the opinion I want to put forward. I will never get mad at anyone for enjoying something. I may not like the Space Wolves, but I love that people play them.
I’d like to have seen the Space Wolves actually use some of the real world lore and history as a basis. Like, being a fleet based chapter primarily, but go to Fenris for important trials and events. Imagine a succcor chapter going full, “accurate” space Viking where they raid and pillage renegade planets, but also aren’t against trading among Humans and Xenos. That would be cool to me.
Well in lore Space Wolves have one of the bigest fleets amongs the original legions not counting fed full fleet based chapters like Imperial fist (And black templars) and Ultramarines.
They do. But nobody actually READS THE LORE BEFORE TALKING TRASH. The space wolves have, arguably, the largest Astartes navy belonging to any one chapter, so large the Dark Angels and greater Inquisition working together were unable to stop it during the Months of Shame. The Space Wolves have a literal oathpact with major organizations within the imperium to serve as bodyguards, such as to House Belisarius, in direct parallel to the historical viking habit of being elite, extremely loyal bodyguards for hire. Not to mention their more open-minded stance on xenos. They don't love them, but when an Eldar (well, a dead Eldar) told a company of Space Wolves to do a certain thing, their reaction was "Thanks but no, I'm not doing that" instead of "Die" And when it was clear the Eldar was on to something, they came back and agreed that the Eldar ghost person was right. I can't think of a viking trope that doesn't exist in 40k's space wolves. The fleet-based thing doesn't really work because Vikings were not nomadic, they usually just went home when they were done. The Space Wolves likewise go on HUGE "great hunts", leaving Fenris for centuries to scorn the enemy and search for their primarch, and they bring back lots of trophies. What more viking can you ask for? lol
The Space Wolves. They're coming on their Wolf Ships, in their Wolf Drop Pods. Armed with Wolf Swords, Wolf Bolters and Wolf Meltas. Wolf, Wolf, Wolf, WOLF, WOLF!
This video was made by someone who got their SW lore third hand. They were not listening very closely because the decision to not like them had already been made. But I do agree on the quite a few of the names. But then the Matt Ward era was not known for naming things well. A large number of the names that double down on flanderization are from that era.
yeah... canis wolfborn is probably one of the WORST names as it loosely translates to "wolf wolfborn". and pretty much everything in space wolves is named wolf, fang or claw or includes one of them in the name. heresy era space wolves is at least a little better with the names but still not perfect... looking at Varagyr which translates to wolf guard... Space wolves were meant to always be viking inspired (or more specifically the ulfhednar) but then became "wolf mc´wolf wolf" or "insert degenerate furry joke here".
My Opinion of Space Wolves is paradoxically Hate and Love. I LOVE so much of their art. The stoic Marines in the blizzard, such a cool look. Their structure makes for great stories of brash young ns into stoic, respected fighters or the lone wolves. But then you go further and you find them obnoxious and annoying. It's like their took all the worst aspects of viking and meshed it with the word wolf and called it a day. They also rank amongst the UM and Imperial Fists for plot armour. It's basically even when they lose they win. Their players can also be some of the worst. I came across someone writing a Deathwatch mini series with Space WOlves as the leading protagonists and so much of the writing felt "yeah, space wolves best"
As someone who likes wolves, who likes vikings, and who hates the codex, i love the Space Wolves(as well as Sabaton, but not Swedish pagens just as an fyi) but i do agree with the whole hating their naming convention, its a little, on the nose, but they're vikings in space so what do you expect. They're not my favorite chapter(that would be the Flesh Tearers) but they're what got me into liking space marines, so while i understand your dislike for them, you shouldnt hate them, after all they're all we got for vikings in space
I think my only cool thing is the Bjorn the Fell-Handed they have. A old cranky Dreadnought that tells stories and is only activated when the situation really needs him fight.
If they were a little more lore beholden instead of walking insults to every other chapter and legion then I’d like them more. And this is coming from a guy who thinks the berserker at Stamford bridge was the peak of manly. My brother used to joke that my main two attributes are: cold weather resistance and being beholden to traditionalism. So for me to be a bit ehhhh about them when I should have a army of them should say all it needs to. Murderfang is cool though 10/10
He didn’t even have to point out how the Space Wolves are kind of giant hypocrites who say they hate sorcery while their librarian/chaplains are literally sorcerers. With the only thing keeping them from being screwed is their sheer refusal to believe anyone who makes the claim.
I always hated the take of “wolf” is said too much in the codex (think there’s like 13 units with it), that would be like saying “wing” is said too much in the Dark Angel codex (14), or that all Death Guard have disease adjacent names (all of them).
So apparently because the space wolves speak a form of low Gothic, wolf when used it’s supposed to have a different meaning than what the imperium originally meant but GW doesn’t explain anymore
One thing that I love to do is head-cannon what could be if there was a second draft of what the current cannon is Subtlety is an art that is lost on the Space Wolves, their weird clarity of theming has become so overabundant that it loses any breath of seriousness whenever they are looked at. For a setting like 40k, where the Orks exist as a serious threat even though barely skin surface deep they are the silliest faction, its quite impressive in a "they fucked up multiple steps monumentally" type of way that the space wolves have hit the opposite as you described On the surface level the overabundant use of wolves makes them come off as edgy 13 year olds trying to make a faction with about as much creativity as an edgy 13 year old would have, shoving their favorite animal so omnipresently across the ranks that the word loses any and all meaning *I will say, I just started reading Horus Rising and I have absolutely no clue about anything deeper than what is said in lore videos like this, which just give a general overview of the universe of 40k, so anything I say is from more or less an underdeveloped perspective of 40k However, I think a good fix for this faction would be to substitute like %90 of its wolf naming convention into other domesticated canines. I know absolutely nothing about the culture and backstory of Fenris, but I have a fascination with speculative evolution videos and the ones that come to mind are of earths creatures being dropped onto planets without complex life and evolving to the point that they are so far diverged from each-other that, common ancestor being one species be damned, they fill entirely different biological niches and are entirely different species What if the culture around Fenris still coveted the "wolf pack" mentality, but because all dogs are pack animals, its renamed to exactly that, dog packs. What if the original inhabitants of Fenris came with a multitude of different dog species to maintain their camps as well as aid in their hunt. Smaller species of dogs to help catch smaller game that burrow underneath the snow, to keep out rats or rat-like vermin from their caches of food, or to simply act as alarms that you barely have to feed (anyone with a chihuahua knows that those things will bark at their own farts they're so uppity) Larger dogs would be able to hunt, help travel with sleds, and help defend the camps from any outside threats. There are dogs specially made to fight bears But think about the cultural implications of it. Mans best friend isn't just a saying. We are both pack species. Warmth and companionship are both resources in the deathly cold of Fenris. And domesticated dogs will give both, unconditionally. From the mightiest of warriors to the most humble of cleaners, having a canine by your side is to have a best friend for life. Even after death, their pelts can be used as insulation, their fur covering every creation of these humans. Clothing, jewelry, homes, not as a desecration of their corpse and a disrespect to their spirit, but as proof of loyalty without match. Their guardianship and aid continues indefinitely, their spirits continue to walk alongside the survivorship of man But, none of them are wolves The wolves of Fenris are an external threat. A predator that has learned human settlements are a cache of stockpiled meat, and the living bodies that protect them are just a bonus. Yellow eyes peer out of the darkness of a blizzard, at first its only a single pair. But more soon appear. Racing footsteps drowned out by the storm, the howling of these hunters creating a cacophony with the howling of the storm. The camp is quickly surrounded, and death is guaranteed We are lucky to have our companions. To have their fangs and claws by our side. But, who do these wolves serve? What master commands them to attack? Why are our best friends also our greatest predator? (Keeping it in themes with Norse mythology/Vikings all the way) Only the gods themselves would be able to command such beasts. Even the mightiest of warriors, if still human, do not compare to the raw power these god serving wolves possess *Again, I would have to read the Leman Russ primarch books to be more accurate to actual 40k, this is just sort of a thought experiment. I know that he is raised by the wolves of Fenris But, imagine that. For the first time ever, during one of these wolfen raids, you see a 'god' among them. In Norse mythology, the gods are depicted with human bodies, and are basically just super roided up people. This wouldn't just feed that belief, this would be the single catalyst that sparks Russ to be the one seen god of Fenris. Descended from the sky, raised by mankinds biggest predator Now, skipping through a lot, the people of Fenris are now being recruited to be space marines. Chosen to be demi-gods, angels of Russ that follow in his wake. The same way that wolves are seen as a more primal, violent and efficient form dogs, the space-wolves would actively celebrate returning to that state of being. After centuries of being hunted, they now become the hunters, the primal predators, or top dogs But they aren't gods. They aren't taking on aspects of Leman Russ, no, they are taking on the aspect of his wolves. They do not hold command over the companions of their gods, they themselves become part of the gods companions they do not abandon their mortal pack It would be the same way that the blood angels sort of get away with having half of their naming convention be different words for blood The space-wolves could name themselves after the many different species of dogs that they still find their companionship in. It would be less wolf-this wolf-that, and be more canine-this and canine-that It would be a breath of fresh air, creating what I believe is the intended reverence of wolves that the faction aims for, but not abandoning their strong theme around packs and canines as a whole Now, this is a crack theory, but what if the space-wolves invested into technology that would uplift their mortal dogs in the same way that they were uplifted into space-marines themselves? Not quite as effective or violent as the process of creating a space marine, and nowhere near the same prowess as a normal wolf on Fenris, but able to keep up with the doings of the space wolves. Even if its not in combat, and they become more or less companions, the different factions of the space wolves could pay respect to these companions by naming themselves after them I hope something like this would just make them less, stupid. I mean, if everyone is super, no one will be. If everything is a fucking wolf, whats the point? Wheres the specialty? I'm sure someone else has had a similar idea to this, this is something that just came up on my morning walk, but man, as a dog lover myself, to have a faction that could theme themselves around many many many different species of dogs would be so cool.
I was at the end of the video and accidentally hit my phone screen and it jumped to "it's the wolf lord with his wolf guard..." And went through the whole rant again before I realized that it wasn't post credits Arthur. That is the embodiment of the Space Wolves. Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf and Wolf.
To be fair tho, their lore and names arent meant to be taken as literal as other Chapters. Yes, they are a literal part of the lore in Warhammer...but they arent meant to be seen as seriously as other Chapters like the Ultramarines, or the Blood Angels. Chapters that follow the Codex and live by the strict laws and orders of the Imperium of Man. Its really just meant to be a fun "viking" version of Space Marines. Like our irl Vikings, they dont comply to Empires, or follow religious dogma set up by Priests in far away lands. They follow their own code of honor, and live by their traditions. What makes them interesting tho, is that despite their distain towards the Codex and other strict Imperium rules/laws they still remain loyal. Youd think, with the whole Viking aesthetic and general hatred of rules being placed on them, that would just rebel and go Chaos on everyone...but they continue to faithfully serve The Allfather, the Emperor. I think thats why people really love them. Its that they stand apart, but not against.
Everyone has their opinions on the Space Wolves. For me, for every cool thing that they do with the Space Wolves (Bjorn), they shove in a hundred dumb wolf-themed wolfisms for the wolf time. They aren't awful when the author focuses more on the Vikings in Space idea.
@@Omnar_Goldmane_RGLH Ah man I love Leman Russ. He's a tough as nails fighter that, on the surface is a bro that just wants to drink, fight and sing his legends, but underneath, is a terribly depressed man that has to serve a role he despises. He's a massive contradiction, but this works in his favour since it's interesting seeing those two sides of him war with each other. If it weren't for Vulkan's existence, he'd be my favourite Loyalist Primarch.
@randomcenturion7264 I'm obviously biased to the Wolves, but I like hearing others opinions, especially after they find all the lore. # 1 is Russ and Wolves for me, # 2 probably Kahn, # 3 Vulcan, I'm just going on overall what I know and like about them... 0oh and don't forget, Russ is a loving brother...
@@Omnar_Goldmane_RGLH I feel like that's something a lot of people miss about Russ. He loves his brothers. 1: Roboute counted him as one of his most valued friends and Leman, while hating the Codex, gave his support solely because he didn't want to fight anymore brothers (So he's capable of being rational even if he's strongly opinionated.) 2: Next to no one cared about or even liked Angron. Leman wasn't a big fan either, but the fact he decided, of his own accord to try and reason with him, cause he know The Emperor was getting fed up of his shit, and even sacrificed some of his men to prove a point, shows he pitied him more than he hated him. 3: Leman didn't like Magnus. This was obvious. But he still, even when ordered by "The Emperor" to kill him, tried to vox him and even use a spy to contact Prospero. And in the end, Magnus himself states Leman wasn't proud of what happened. 4: Leman only failed to kill Horus for the same reason Big E didn't Thanos Snap him in one go: He loved him so much and saw a brief moment when he could have been saved. 5: Leman doesn't like long-range weapons, but when Vulkan made Scornspitter, he thought it was so cool that he pretty much considered Vulkan the best smith among them. Hell, Fury of Magnus highlights the Salamanders and Wolves have been close for a while. 6: Leman and Crovus, despite being polar opposites, also got on well. Leman defended Corvus' decision not to go to Terra to The Lion and they kicked ass during The Scouring. 7: Leman loved Dorn so much it took Malcador ordering him to leave Terra. 8: He and The Lion have a lot of strained history, but in the end, he would've taken that stab to the chest if it meant helping The Lion mourn. When they finally buried the hatchet, they showed the traitors during The Scouring just how HORRIFYING it is when the First and the Sixth work together. 9: While understandably pissed at the Khan for not helping against the Alpha Legion, he still heard him out, respected his reasoning, and even shared a laugh with him (Seriously he is far more patient than people think he is.) 10: After Monarchia, Leman was one of the few who spoke up and said Lorgar shouldn't be killed (Oddly enough, this was one of the handful of times he and Magnus agreed on something.)
I look at the wolves like this. 40k is ridiculous, but still awesome. The Krieg are ridiculous but are awesome. The space wolves are the same way. 8 foot super soldiers clad in power armor riding on wolves the size of a rhino is awesome. Silly and ridiculous you bet your ass, but still awesome.
My head cannon is that 'wolf' in all of their designations isn't actually wolf just a word in fenrisian that didn't translate well. Like how Bjorn was known as Bear by the one rememberancer/skald that was in the burning or prospero book
alot of the fenrisian names of the designations can be found at least when looking at the right places. such as varagyr (which is meant to be a play on varangian guards) but when translated from fenrisian into high gothic becomes wolf guard... and Bjorn (Björn is the correct spelling) means Bear, so the rememberancer technically isn't wrong in refering to Bjorn as Bear
Ok so I dont usually do this sorta thing but to you asked what we thought of them. I genually like them The only thing I hate about them is the annoying name problem which I want them to fix at some point (leman comes back and asked "Ok maybe theres to much wolf"). The reason why I like them is that they are genually diffrent from other chapters. I enjoy them because of there purpose is "The Emperors Executioners" Rogal dorns boys "defence" Alpharius "Being sleeper agent bois" Angron dudes "angy" but leman russes legion was made....to kill those the emperor deems nessary to kill. they fight space marines and ...yeah I think a group of hairy blood thirsty barbarians would fit that bill pretty good. ...............that being said they need less wolf.
In all honesty my favorite thing about the Space Wolves is that they have actual Werewolf units. It’s just too bad and really unimaginative that ALL WEREWOLVES, firstborn or primaris, are mindless animals. They best Werewolves are those that retain their minds and humanity regardless of form.
I can relate to your fast food story. I dressed up as a wizard for Halloween while I worked at a liquor store. The alcoholics enjoyed it just as much as I. That being said I got to know their life stories before hand.
Let's also not forget that their rune priests are definitely "not" psykers lmao. It's funny I love Norse culture, music and mythology but I just can't get into space wolves, they just lean into the Viking thing way too much
Some people be like: "Blood Angels - vampires in space - wow cool" "Space wolves - werewolves in space - eh wierd" But as space dogs fan I can agree with one thing in this video - stupid wolf, wolf, wolf __ names.
Convinced me to sub. As a guy who loves Space Wolves both in lore and on the table, it's incredibly refreshing to see someone who, while not a big fan of them, can make a video that isn't just shitting on them. Also hating the naming convention? Fair. My personal "Favorite" is Dog Dogborn. Also also. Sabaton. Correct.
ngl I LOVE the space wolves, they are really funny, have great characters, interesting rules and the lore is really fun. and really really stupid which makes it better lol
Space Wolves to me is what the very first 40k Edition Space Marines Legions were, or the very least the closest to what Space Marines were barbaric warriors rather than knights in space. Up to 3rd edition when the SM lore got an grimdark update and Black Templars were the poster boys of 3rd edition and what a SM is today.
I'm a fan of the space wolves for a long time, but I also haven't played 40k in over a decade or read a book about them so maybe it's just my ignorance that's keeping happy.... ahhh blissful ignorance!
There was one piece of advice i was told a long time ago by one of my uncles. It goes, " If the bit is really good, commit yourself fully to it." The Space Wolves are that bit.
There's a theory, that the Space Wolves have different names for their ranks which derive from Fenrisian language from their home planet, and since that doesn't translate into Low Gothic, the majority of imperial just assume these words mean wolf, so theoretical these ranks are named something completely different, but because imperials aren't educated they just call everything wolf.
One thing I find interesting about them is how in at least 1 sense they can't really ever be completely codex compliant even if they for some reason wanted to since the one time they tried to create an offshoot chapter it ended in all of the members of that offshoot becoming wolfen from being away from Fenris for too long or something of the sort, which was apparently very saddening for the Space Wolves since they were very excited about having an offshoot chapter.
I blare Sabaton when ever i play/do anything so yes, id play space wolves blaring Sabaton. xD *buys Murder claw, paints him up in space wolve colors, then hits him up in an addicitional coat of propper Blood Raven colors, with spots of wolf paint showing through here and there* =P
Reload your wolf-gun with wolf-rounds so you can run with the wolf pack and wolf attack the enemy non-wolves. Send Brother Lupus to Wolf-Mart to obtain more wolf-food for the she-wolves and their wolf pups. You can get there on the wolf-ship, but remember to come back to the wolf-planet for the wolf-feast at the wolf-party where everyone is drinking wolf-beer.
I get that the naming thing is kinda a turn off for a lot of people, I rarely refer to them as "Space Wolves" among other 6th legion fans. As the lore explains, that is an name the outsiders use. One of the things I personally enjoy about them are the vibes. One moment they will be tearing their way through an ork waaagh, the next they will be swigging alcohol that could give a normal man an aneurism. They are very bold and embracing, and will mess with you just to show you how much they care. They do stand out in 40k for a lot of reasons obviously. Viking in space? Yes. Viking werewolves in space? Still yes. And then touching on that, the way they have their psykers work by pulling power from the psychic imprint of Fenrys in the warp instead of chaos tainted warpspace, also pretty cool. They'd make for the most enduring friends, and the most terrifying of enemies. Not to mention what happens when someone is in a dreadnaught and goes wolfen, or the canis helix being an additional factor to their ascension to astartes. By far one of the most prepared legions for the heresy, not just from their experience with (maybe) wiping out the 2nd or 11th legion, but also their cultural traditions of protecting themselves from daemons just through runes or totems or other bobbles. And then is also mentioning the fact that they can make fully grown adults into astartes, because Leman Russ wasn't gonna leave his shield brothers behind when he went to conquer the stars. Granted, very low success rate, still achievable. When their lore is good, it is magnificent, when it isn't, its terribly mid, I understand this. But for me, their are few more attractive aspects of the grim dark than a legion of warriors who will grin at the oncoming apocalypse, before ripping its throat out with their teeth.
You know the Vlka Fenryka are probably my favorite Legion. Because... They were never a chapter. Leman is tied with Rogal Dorn as my favorite Primarchs (I play Imperial Fists). I can not take the naming scheme for them. I don't mind their look. If they named things like Vikings I would blast Sabaton while playing them. But wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf. I can't take it.
In the Audio Compilation Endless Wars; there’s a story where a Space Wolf Drop pod lands in an ocean. The sole survivor is helped into a fishing. Spoiler Alert; the XXth shows up and “Alpharius” wastes him. The stuff before that is pretty cool though.
@@conradlorgar5508 it was such a cool story. That was my first little snippet of the Allha Legion. I’m finishing “The First Heretic” now. Honestly I really didn’t like it at first, but now the second half has made the first so much more interesting. Realizing that Argel Tal was the reason the Gellar Field protection the Primarchs gestation pods was SUCH a HOLY SHIT moment. Now Tal is remembering each Primarchs landing on their home worlds.
Space wolves as characters can be cool since they can have nuance. But when you group it all together and speak in generalizations its very difficult to see anything except Wolf man go awoooo
Space Wolves is one of the legions that is saved by plot armour. Where other legions would die if they charged headfirst, the Space Wolves win cause they are wild and ferocious, as if that makes any sense.
I liked a few parts of their mini end times with the thousand nerds. The part about feral, mad and above all just *angry* “wolves” and tribe members who were just roaming the wastes looking for more invaders to slaughter or be put out their suffering after ending a thousand son or their pawns after having their packs or tribes wiped out was nice. The part where in the underground area you had “wolves” and dreadnought fighting back fire monsters and burning to death in the process was also cool.
That is just bad writing. Originally the SW were not particularly better at close combat than any other chapter (although they may enjoy it more), and, save the blood claws, they did not went head on to close combat. All the descriptions were describing the "cunning hunter" and "wolf pack" idea, which is quite the opposite of going berserk
If you read any of the Space Wolves novels, you will learn that they, in fact, employ just as much strategy as any chapter, and are far more adaptable. During all of the 40k SW omnibusses I've read, I can't remember a single blind charge. I remember a lot of naval superiority, fixed defense tactics, infiltration tactics (Ragnar and Sven pretending to be orks piloting a trukk was hilarious *and* practical), and kill-team insertions.
If they kept to viking culture like the white scars did to mongolian culture they would be cooler. Or they could finally acknowledge that there are more than wolves in the artic zones. Rn i like the dark kraken more for viking stuff than the space wolves.
"They have us outnumbered a hundred to one, their aircraft darken the skies, their tanks churn the ground to mud. And all we have is our axes and ill temper hardly a fair fight, is it my wolves. Let them pray their weakling Gods have mercy on them, for we shall not." - Logan Grimnar
Aside from liking the Space Wolves mostly because I like Wolves and Vikings. I like how the Space wolves with charge head long in to battle with a smile on their face and fire in their hearts and to me that means a lot. You are facing the horrors of Warhammer, You better do it with enough passion as the Fucking Space wolves do to think they will come out of it alive and to have stories told of their conquest for generations to hear and to me Legends never die.
I feel like the space Wolves need to be slapped back into shape like chaos shows up and almost takes them out before girly man shows up. or the nids show up and do the same. That and they stop calling everything wolf.
I like the theory that there is no word for wolf on fenris, and everything they call "world ___" is actually just an administratum dude not knowing how to translate their language
It would be cool if they dropped the whole wolf thing for a more animal spirit thing instead, then they could include animals like bears or boars Or foxes and the like. Imagine bear themed terminators or boar themed tanks , or owl themed snipers. Could bring a much need fresh air than just wolf wolf wolf idk
6:20 you're not wrong.....but for an ork that's called "the best possible outcome" (maybe that's why I like Orks but find the Space Corgis kinda mid, Orks are MEANT to be stupid)
"I hate the Space Wolves, I hate the Space Wolves, oh that guy is pretty dope, I hate oh yeah he's cool I HATE THE SPACE oh, that dude with the demon axe is okay in my book....where was I? "
Heavy metal space Santa and his magic sleigh will come make you repent
Ehhh the demon axe stuff is kinda BS tbh.
Skim the parts about why they're bad and then pretend hes just saying how great they are
Such desperation to hate the Space Wolves amongst 40k fans, and then they go "DAMMIT WHY ARE THEY SO COOL"
Many such cases.
"Wolf-brothers, grab your wolf-sword, your wolf-armor, the wolf-bolter and board the wolf-ship. As a wolf pack we are going to fight, to save the wolf-planet, for the she-wolves and their wolf pups. Then we will fly the wolf banner and have a wolf feast with wolf-beer. We'll even grill some wolves. Brother Lupus, go to Wolfmart, and buy some wolf chops."
But Wolf Brother Fenrir, the wolf-car is out of wolf-fuel and we don’t have enough wolf-cash to wolf-hunt for wolf-more. Also the wolf-dog has started to wolf-bark like a wolf-wolf. Wolf
We don't talk about the Wolf Brothers!
The funny thing is that it could easily be fixed if they named them as the claw the fang etc
Lmfao .. 😂
Wolfmart😂😂😂
I'm a Dark Angel fan, so learning about the Space Wolves has been vital for me (it's so I can insult them accurately). What has instead happened is that I've actually started to like the Wolves, at least in 30k. They have a genuine arc, Leman Russ is great, and as a whole they feel less "WOLF WOLF WOLF" and more like vikings with some wolf influences.
Agreed, when I read the units I thought “ok this is gonna be a stupid chapter and stupid lore with a stupid Primarch” but actually they are badass and are some pretty cool characters. Compared to Ultra marines they feel more aged and primed rather than “my character is better than yours cause he’s THE ULTRA MARINES” with characters like Logan Grimnar the wolves are just based
Honestly, your best insult is going to be to treat them like a dog, I suggest the DBZA Vegeta method of "want a biscuit" and then proceed to throw a dog treat at them.
"Space Furry" is always an effective and valid insult to throw.
so what happend to you is the ACTUAL relationship between them... Space wolves and dark angels are rivals... not enemies... you hear many characters from both faction expressing deep respect for one another in the lore.
As a Space Wolves fan I did the exact same thing with the Dark Angels (so I can insult you closeted heretics accurately). But now…. I think the Lion el’Jonson and the Dark Angels might just be my 3rd favorite legion (especially after reading his new novel, son of the Forrest), second place goes to Dorn and his Imperial Fists
Imagine a chapter of space wolves that sell their services to anyone expect chaos. That would make them the most based chapter ever.
And more like actual vikings
They don't know what wages are. They are space marines, not some blue collar worker.
someone watched pancreas's vid
I have a Space Wolf Captain called Harald Hardrada for this specific reason xD
That would make them an enemy to the imperium, with the whole xenophobia and all, probably leading to the entire legion being declared filthy xenos loving heretics. However there are already space marines mercenaries. Google ‘black shields’ maybe you might be interested
I do not blare sabaton while playing Space Wolves, I blare powerwolf
So I have always viewed the Space Wolves as kind of "Space Punks". You got the rowdy new kids acting extra to get noticed in the scene "Blood Claws", The established crew of said scene "Grey Hunters", The old heads tend to get real possessive of the scene, and kinda speak sharply about the changes "Long Fangs", And then there are the ones that help promote the scene, "Wolf Scouts". The venues are generally run DIY so everyone involved in facilitating the shows, "Wolf Guard", and the Sound Guy is The "Wolf Lord".
"Leman Russ is a stubborn prick."
-Lion 'El Johnson
You could do a video on Lucas alone. He's entertaining as hell. Stasis grenade aside, he's on record saying he spends his downtime on Fenris boning villagers and has been kicked out of almost every great company. He's in Ragnar's great company because Ragnar figured his ability to mess with the enemy is minutely more valuable than the peace of mind the lords would get by finally executing him.
That's a perfect example of how little some of them care about compliance in general, even among their own superiors. Thank you for sharing- I look forward to learning more about Lucas.
I laughed my ass off just reading this, i love the space wolves😂
So he's a comic relief Mary sue then? Pass.
@@sonicsucks20 nerd
@@sonicsucks20Lukas is not really a marry sue, like fuck he’s a troll but he has a shit ton of experience and has a stasis grenade as one of his hearts after a drukhari ripped the other out so that if he ever dies his foe will go down as well
I think my absolute biggest gripe about the space wolves is that they are known as "werewolf space VIKINGS".... keyword there that apparently GW forgot immediately after they made the decision is viking. Vikings are damn cool and are a very specific type of culture that really just was kind of thrown to the side except for maybe their hair styles. I mean, there are so many cool ways they could have implemented viking culture into what the space wolves do. They could have focused on how vikings were one of the first conquerors to go to unknown lands by fleets of boats for example. There just isn't a lot of viking included in the lore. And when they named everything they have as the "wolf _____" they could have fixed the dullness of that by using viking terminology instead naming everything with the word wolf. They just were not fleshed out in a good way as a Legion. I like leman quite a lot even if I think he can be kind of dumb at times. But a lot of the creative lore decisions were just not well made. It feels like they could have just left out the viking part of their description completely, and honestly I don't think anything would change with the lore. Which is sad, vikings are cool as hell.
i think that suppose to be the partying, berserker like charges, the heavy drinking etc. which do describe Vikings but also many warrior cultures. I do Love them though
@Shana Valkyria you're not wrong, but yeah the drinking can cover a lot of cultures and they did make them look like vikings. There are just a lot of other things I think they could have done. It feels like they really locked on to the wolf thing and kind of let the viking portion become an aesthetic thing.
I think the Viking thing is really just so the players can roleplay as the chapter without having to do the work of saying what's Viking about them. Like you know for a fact some players really try to embody the themes their Marines represent or even choosing them based on what they like beforehand. You can be goth, militaristic, knightly, then you got that one guy wearing Mjolnir necklaces and wolf t-shirts who sees the most lazy representation of Vikings as 40K figures, branded as wolves to the point of echoing and they go "Omg that's so me". Then you don't need to say what's Viking about them, the player does all the work for ya.
Thank God the Wolfspears are a thing now.
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Do I like the Space Wolves? *Looks over at his 3k point fully painted SW army* Nah…..
I think the league's of votann are like the other part of viking culture. They do exploring and have norse-sounding names. GW should have added that to space wolves but its good we got it in some form nonetheless
I love the final confused cutoff of "tHeY hAVe gRENAdE LAuNCHeRS??"
Space Wolves is what got me into 40k. I went into a my local cards and comic shop and i always saw the minis but never got into the hobby. One day I actively decided to look at the models and I didnt really like anything except tau designs until i saw space marines on giant wolves with chainsaw swords.
Oh but wait, you missed the best part; they can turn INTO WOLVES; WOLVES MOUNTED ON THUNDER WOLVES, and the WOLFgaurd!
I think you know why I'm here.
This thing right here commissar, THIS is the heretic
@@your_local_bottom you cannot deny the furries in your ranks. The emperor's angels are corrupted.
I cannot deny the existence of you foul beings in out ranks, no, but we can and will keep purging you from them by any means necessary
@@your_local_bottom I'm sure father leman wouldn't appreciate that. He doesn't take to kind to....those who betray loyal astartes.
Nah. They don't blare sabaton. They blare POWERWOLF
Q: What's Leman Russ's favourite 20th century Modernist writer?
A: Virginia Woolf
I made a face at this that is hard to describe.
and I'll never forgive you for this
New Challenge: Take a shot for every mention of the word "wolf" in the Spacewolf codex
...you would die in 3 minutes...and 25 if you did shots of tea instead. Yeah, Caffeine Toxicity would kill you.
Also...WOLF WOLF WOLVES!
I fucking love the Space Wolves! I love them for all the reasons you hate them.
So through this video I both learned why people have such strong opinions about the Space Wolves. I also learned that I can't hate them, anymore than I could hate the fast food worker wearing a costume on Halloween. Like, I just can't. X) They are so *silly*.
See, this is kind of the opinion I want to put forward.
I will never get mad at anyone for enjoying something. I may not like the Space Wolves, but I love that people play them.
I’d like to have seen the Space Wolves actually use some of the real world lore and history as a basis. Like, being a fleet based chapter primarily, but go to Fenris for important trials and events. Imagine a succcor chapter going full, “accurate” space Viking where they raid and pillage renegade planets, but also aren’t against trading among Humans and Xenos. That would be cool to me.
Well in lore Space Wolves have one of the bigest fleets amongs the original legions not counting fed full fleet based chapters like Imperial fist (And black templars) and Ultramarines.
They do. But nobody actually READS THE LORE BEFORE TALKING TRASH.
The space wolves have, arguably, the largest Astartes navy belonging to any one chapter, so large the Dark Angels and greater Inquisition working together were unable to stop it during the Months of Shame.
The Space Wolves have a literal oathpact with major organizations within the imperium to serve as bodyguards, such as to House Belisarius, in direct parallel to the historical viking habit of being elite, extremely loyal bodyguards for hire.
Not to mention their more open-minded stance on xenos. They don't love them, but when an Eldar (well, a dead Eldar) told a company of Space Wolves to do a certain thing, their reaction was "Thanks but no, I'm not doing that" instead of "Die"
And when it was clear the Eldar was on to something, they came back and agreed that the Eldar ghost person was right.
I can't think of a viking trope that doesn't exist in 40k's space wolves. The fleet-based thing doesn't really work because Vikings were not nomadic, they usually just went home when they were done. The Space Wolves likewise go on HUGE "great hunts", leaving Fenris for centuries to scorn the enemy and search for their primarch, and they bring back lots of trophies.
What more viking can you ask for? lol
Good to see Wolverine alive and well in the 41st Millennium.
30k wolves: backstabbing hypocryts
40k wolves: GW's Alternate choise for marty stews that can be cool at times
The Space Wolves.
They're coming on their Wolf Ships, in their Wolf Drop Pods.
Armed with Wolf Swords, Wolf Bolters and Wolf Meltas.
Wolf, Wolf, Wolf, WOLF, WOLF!
3:50 Don't forget the Wolf boat that is pulled by two wolfwolves! On dry land...
@@Ironbattlemace wolfland!
@@candle_eatiston planet wolf
Kinda reminds me of that damn Moon Moon meme on Tumbr.
Kinda reminds me of that damn Moon Moon meme on Tumbr. Not sure how, but it just does.
I think the vibe you're looking for is "awesome bro" basically visuals that are working their hardest to get a teenage boy to jump with joy.
This video was made by someone who got their SW lore third hand. They were not listening very closely because the decision to not like them had already been made. But I do agree on the quite a few of the names. But then the Matt Ward era was not known for naming things well. A large number of the names that double down on flanderization are from that era.
yeah...
canis wolfborn is probably one of the WORST names as it loosely translates to "wolf wolfborn".
and pretty much everything in space wolves is named wolf, fang or claw or includes one of them in the name.
heresy era space wolves is at least a little better with the names but still not perfect... looking at Varagyr which translates to wolf guard...
Space wolves were meant to always be viking inspired (or more specifically the ulfhednar) but then became "wolf mc´wolf wolf" or "insert degenerate furry joke here".
Somebody wasn't allowed to have a dog as a kid...
My Opinion of Space Wolves is paradoxically Hate and Love. I LOVE so much of their art. The stoic Marines in the blizzard, such a cool look. Their structure makes for great stories of brash young ns into stoic, respected fighters or the lone wolves. But then you go further and you find them obnoxious and annoying. It's like their took all the worst aspects of viking and meshed it with the word wolf and called it a day. They also rank amongst the UM and Imperial Fists for plot armour. It's basically even when they lose they win.
Their players can also be some of the worst.
I came across someone writing a Deathwatch mini series with Space WOlves as the leading protagonists and so much of the writing felt "yeah, space wolves best"
Honestly man this video made me love the Space Wolves, granted I got into 40k because of Space Marine 2 but I’m all in on this fandom baby
As someone who likes wolves, who likes vikings, and who hates the codex, i love the Space Wolves(as well as Sabaton, but not Swedish pagens just as an fyi) but i do agree with the whole hating their naming convention, its a little, on the nose, but they're vikings in space so what do you expect. They're not my favorite chapter(that would be the Flesh Tearers) but they're what got me into liking space marines, so while i understand your dislike for them, you shouldnt hate them, after all they're all we got for vikings in space
I played SW in 40k. Loved them. The Wolven really put me off them though. But those wolf helmets on the assualt marines. So good.
I think my only cool thing is the Bjorn the Fell-Handed they have. A old cranky Dreadnought that tells stories and is only activated when the situation really needs him fight.
I love the Space Wolves. They are brash, crazy, and are just lots of
fun:)
Aye. They're awesome lads.
Agreed
If they were a little more lore beholden instead of walking insults to every other chapter and legion then I’d like them more.
And this is coming from a guy who thinks the berserker at Stamford bridge was the peak of manly.
My brother used to joke that my main two attributes are: cold weather resistance and being beholden to traditionalism.
So for me to be a bit ehhhh about them when I should have a army of them should say all it needs to.
Murderfang is cool though 10/10
I feel like the Spaces Wolves best exemplify the entire setting. They're this perfect combination of silly and grimdark edgy stuff. *chef's kiss*
They are basically the orks for the good guys.
It is all fun and games till the terminator starts running towards you
I love heresy on youtube. It helps to know where to send the arbites next.
XD "Excuse me sir, do you mind FUCKING REPENTING FOR YOUR SLANDER!?", breaks out shock baton.
He didn’t even have to point out how the Space Wolves are kind of giant hypocrites who say they hate sorcery while their librarian/chaplains are literally sorcerers. With the only thing keeping them from being screwed is their sheer refusal to believe anyone who makes the claim.
I always hated the take of “wolf” is said too much in the codex (think there’s like 13 units with it), that would be like saying “wing” is said too much in the Dark Angel codex (14), or that all Death Guard have disease adjacent names (all of them).
Granted they could be a little more creative but I hear ya.
So apparently because the space wolves speak a form of low Gothic, wolf when used it’s supposed to have a different meaning than what the imperium originally meant but GW doesn’t explain anymore
@@misterentityyt1704 why?
@@ethanmueller8218 cause space wolfs speak low gothic barely and GW wanted an excuse for the 13 wolf units
@@misterentityyt1704 What are some examples of them speaking low gothic?
One thing that I love to do is head-cannon what could be if there was a second draft of what the current cannon is
Subtlety is an art that is lost on the Space Wolves, their weird clarity of theming has become so overabundant that it loses any breath of seriousness whenever they are looked at. For a setting like 40k, where the Orks exist as a serious threat even though barely skin surface deep they are the silliest faction, its quite impressive in a "they fucked up multiple steps monumentally" type of way that the space wolves have hit the opposite as you described
On the surface level the overabundant use of wolves makes them come off as edgy 13 year olds trying to make a faction with about as much creativity as an edgy 13 year old would have, shoving their favorite animal so omnipresently across the ranks that the word loses any and all meaning
*I will say, I just started reading Horus Rising and I have absolutely no clue about anything deeper than what is said in lore videos like this, which just give a general overview of the universe of 40k, so anything I say is from more or less an underdeveloped perspective of 40k
However, I think a good fix for this faction would be to substitute like %90 of its wolf naming convention into other domesticated canines. I know absolutely nothing about the culture and backstory of Fenris, but I have a fascination with speculative evolution videos and the ones that come to mind are of earths creatures being dropped onto planets without complex life and evolving to the point that they are so far diverged from each-other that, common ancestor being one species be damned, they fill entirely different biological niches and are entirely different species
What if the culture around Fenris still coveted the "wolf pack" mentality, but because all dogs are pack animals, its renamed to exactly that, dog packs. What if the original inhabitants of Fenris came with a multitude of different dog species to maintain their camps as well as aid in their hunt. Smaller species of dogs to help catch smaller game that burrow underneath the snow, to keep out rats or rat-like vermin from their caches of food, or to simply act as alarms that you barely have to feed (anyone with a chihuahua knows that those things will bark at their own farts they're so uppity)
Larger dogs would be able to hunt, help travel with sleds, and help defend the camps from any outside threats. There are dogs specially made to fight bears
But think about the cultural implications of it. Mans best friend isn't just a saying. We are both pack species. Warmth and companionship are both resources in the deathly cold of Fenris. And domesticated dogs will give both, unconditionally. From the mightiest of warriors to the most humble of cleaners, having a canine by your side is to have a best friend for life. Even after death, their pelts can be used as insulation, their fur covering every creation of these humans. Clothing, jewelry, homes, not as a desecration of their corpse and a disrespect to their spirit, but as proof of loyalty without match. Their guardianship and aid continues indefinitely, their spirits continue to walk alongside the survivorship of man
But, none of them are wolves
The wolves of Fenris are an external threat. A predator that has learned human settlements are a cache of stockpiled meat, and the living bodies that protect them are just a bonus.
Yellow eyes peer out of the darkness of a blizzard, at first its only a single pair. But more soon appear. Racing footsteps drowned out by the storm, the howling of these hunters creating a cacophony with the howling of the storm. The camp is quickly surrounded, and death is guaranteed
We are lucky to have our companions. To have their fangs and claws by our side. But, who do these wolves serve? What master commands them to attack? Why are our best friends also our greatest predator? (Keeping it in themes with Norse mythology/Vikings all the way)
Only the gods themselves would be able to command such beasts. Even the mightiest of warriors, if still human, do not compare to the raw power these god serving wolves possess
*Again, I would have to read the Leman Russ primarch books to be more accurate to actual 40k, this is just sort of a thought experiment. I know that he is raised by the wolves of Fenris
But, imagine that. For the first time ever, during one of these wolfen raids, you see a 'god' among them. In Norse mythology, the gods are depicted with human bodies, and are basically just super roided up people. This wouldn't just feed that belief, this would be the single catalyst that sparks Russ to be the one seen god of Fenris. Descended from the sky, raised by mankinds biggest predator
Now, skipping through a lot, the people of Fenris are now being recruited to be space marines. Chosen to be demi-gods, angels of Russ that follow in his wake.
The same way that wolves are seen as a more primal, violent and efficient form dogs, the space-wolves would actively celebrate returning to that state of being. After centuries of being hunted, they now become the hunters, the primal predators, or top dogs
But they aren't gods. They aren't taking on aspects of Leman Russ, no, they are taking on the aspect of his wolves. They do not hold command over the companions of their gods, they themselves become part of the gods companions
they do not abandon their mortal pack
It would be the same way that the blood angels sort of get away with having half of their naming convention be different words for blood
The space-wolves could name themselves after the many different species of dogs that they still find their companionship in. It would be less wolf-this wolf-that, and be more canine-this and canine-that
It would be a breath of fresh air, creating what I believe is the intended reverence of wolves that the faction aims for, but not abandoning their strong theme around packs and canines as a whole
Now, this is a crack theory, but what if the space-wolves invested into technology that would uplift their mortal dogs in the same way that they were uplifted into space-marines themselves? Not quite as effective or violent as the process of creating a space marine, and nowhere near the same prowess as a normal wolf on Fenris, but able to keep up with the doings of the space wolves.
Even if its not in combat, and they become more or less companions, the different factions of the space wolves could pay respect to these companions by naming themselves after them
I hope something like this would just make them less, stupid. I mean, if everyone is super, no one will be. If everything is a fucking wolf, whats the point? Wheres the specialty?
I'm sure someone else has had a similar idea to this, this is something that just came up on my morning walk, but man, as a dog lover myself, to have a faction that could theme themselves around many many many different species of dogs would be so cool.
I love the Space Wolves but you are right about their naming conventions they are pretty lame lol
Actually, I do everything while blaring Sabaton. Which really annoys my wife during... Well, you know.
I was at the end of the video and accidentally hit my phone screen and it jumped to "it's the wolf lord with his wolf guard..." And went through the whole rant again before I realized that it wasn't post credits Arthur. That is the embodiment of the Space Wolves. Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf and Wolf.
To be fair tho, their lore and names arent meant to be taken as literal as other Chapters. Yes, they are a literal part of the lore in Warhammer...but they arent meant to be seen as seriously as other Chapters like the Ultramarines, or the Blood Angels. Chapters that follow the Codex and live by the strict laws and orders of the Imperium of Man.
Its really just meant to be a fun "viking" version of Space Marines. Like our irl Vikings, they dont comply to Empires, or follow religious dogma set up by Priests in far away lands. They follow their own code of honor, and live by their traditions. What makes them interesting tho, is that despite their distain towards the Codex and other strict Imperium rules/laws they still remain loyal.
Youd think, with the whole Viking aesthetic and general hatred of rules being placed on them, that would just rebel and go Chaos on everyone...but they continue to faithfully serve The Allfather, the Emperor. I think thats why people really love them. Its that they stand apart, but not against.
Everyone has their opinions on the Space Wolves. For me, for every cool thing that they do with the Space Wolves (Bjorn), they shove in a hundred dumb wolf-themed wolfisms for the wolf time. They aren't awful when the author focuses more on the Vikings in Space idea.
There are so many parts of the Space Wolves lore that I roll my eyes at.
bro the amount of times "uhhh hi! I'm arthur" goes thru my head on a daily basis since finding your channel. Fuckin good shit bro
there is a tiny story as to how the whole Uhhh, hi! thing came from
I'm just
gonna tell it at a later date.
@@TheBoneZone40k bet
Glad I found your lore videos, you are like a combination of all the other 40k lore youtubers.
Space Wolves are incredibly dumb, I fucking love them
In the far future of space there is only furries may magnus save us from that fate however I fear he got a tzzangore kink
Nothing like boiling a space wuff in his armor with space magic.
The Space Wolves are awesome
Amen to that brother.
@@randomcenturion7264 look forward to your opinions of Russ
@@Omnar_Goldmane_RGLH Ah man I love Leman Russ. He's a tough as nails fighter that, on the surface is a bro that just wants to drink, fight and sing his legends, but underneath, is a terribly depressed man that has to serve a role he despises.
He's a massive contradiction, but this works in his favour since it's interesting seeing those two sides of him war with each other. If it weren't for Vulkan's existence, he'd be my favourite Loyalist Primarch.
@randomcenturion7264 I'm obviously biased to the Wolves, but I like hearing others opinions, especially after they find all the lore. # 1 is Russ and Wolves for me, # 2 probably Kahn, # 3 Vulcan, I'm just going on overall what I know and like about them... 0oh and don't forget, Russ is a loving brother...
@@Omnar_Goldmane_RGLH I feel like that's something a lot of people miss about Russ. He loves his brothers.
1: Roboute counted him as one of his most valued friends and Leman, while hating the Codex, gave his support solely because he didn't want to fight anymore brothers (So he's capable of being rational even if he's strongly opinionated.)
2: Next to no one cared about or even liked Angron. Leman wasn't a big fan either, but the fact he decided, of his own accord to try and reason with him, cause he know The Emperor was getting fed up of his shit, and even sacrificed some of his men to prove a point, shows he pitied him more than he hated him.
3: Leman didn't like Magnus. This was obvious. But he still, even when ordered by "The Emperor" to kill him, tried to vox him and even use a spy to contact Prospero. And in the end, Magnus himself states Leman wasn't proud of what happened.
4: Leman only failed to kill Horus for the same reason Big E didn't Thanos Snap him in one go: He loved him so much and saw a brief moment when he could have been saved.
5: Leman doesn't like long-range weapons, but when Vulkan made Scornspitter, he thought it was so cool that he pretty much considered Vulkan the best smith among them. Hell, Fury of Magnus highlights the Salamanders and Wolves have been close for a while.
6: Leman and Crovus, despite being polar opposites, also got on well. Leman defended Corvus' decision not to go to Terra to The Lion and they kicked ass during The Scouring.
7: Leman loved Dorn so much it took Malcador ordering him to leave Terra.
8: He and The Lion have a lot of strained history, but in the end, he would've taken that stab to the chest if it meant helping The Lion mourn. When they finally buried the hatchet, they showed the traitors during The Scouring just how HORRIFYING it is when the First and the Sixth work together.
9: While understandably pissed at the Khan for not helping against the Alpha Legion, he still heard him out, respected his reasoning, and even shared a laugh with him (Seriously he is far more patient than people think he is.)
10: After Monarchia, Leman was one of the few who spoke up and said Lorgar shouldn't be killed (Oddly enough, this was one of the handful of times he and Magnus agreed on something.)
I look at the wolves like this. 40k is ridiculous, but still awesome. The Krieg are ridiculous but are awesome. The space wolves are the same way. 8 foot super soldiers clad in power armor riding on wolves the size of a rhino is awesome. Silly and ridiculous you bet your ass, but still awesome.
My head cannon is that 'wolf' in all of their designations isn't actually wolf just a word in fenrisian that didn't translate well. Like how Bjorn was known as Bear by the one rememberancer/skald that was in the burning or prospero book
alot of the fenrisian names of the designations can be found at least when looking at the right places. such as varagyr (which is meant to be a play on varangian guards) but when translated from fenrisian into high gothic becomes wolf guard...
and Bjorn (Björn is the correct spelling) means Bear, so the rememberancer technically isn't wrong in refering to Bjorn as Bear
Ok so I dont usually do this sorta thing but to you asked what we thought of them. I genually like them The only thing I hate about them is the annoying name problem which I want them to fix at some point (leman comes back and asked "Ok maybe theres to much wolf"). The reason why I like them is that they are genually diffrent from other chapters. I enjoy them because of there purpose is "The Emperors Executioners" Rogal dorns boys "defence" Alpharius "Being sleeper agent bois" Angron dudes "angy" but leman russes legion was made....to kill those the emperor deems nessary to kill. they fight space marines and ...yeah I think a group of hairy blood thirsty barbarians would fit that bill pretty good. ...............that being said they need less wolf.
In all honesty my favorite thing about the Space Wolves is that they have actual Werewolf units. It’s just too bad and really unimaginative that ALL WEREWOLVES, firstborn or primaris, are mindless animals. They best Werewolves are those that retain their minds and humanity regardless of form.
Not even with the 13th company coming back they didn't update to at least Ogyrn level?
That kinda removes the grim dark aspect of it though
Like what if black rage but fully in control, these are called curses for a reason
I can relate to your fast food story. I dressed up as a wizard for Halloween while I worked at a liquor store. The alcoholics enjoyed it just as much as I. That being said I got to know their life stories before hand.
Super excited to see Worldeaters
As a Thousand Sons enjoyer, LEMAN RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSS
I love em, silly goobers.
You have to remember, everything in 40k is in the extreme, turned up to 11. It's more defining to its nature than "grimdark"ness is.
Let's also not forget that their rune priests are definitely "not" psykers lmao.
It's funny I love Norse culture, music and mythology but I just can't get into space wolves, they just lean into the Viking thing way too much
This is my new favorite channel!
I have to say I spit my drink out when you talked about Logan running in term armor!
Some people be like:
"Blood Angels - vampires in space - wow cool"
"Space wolves - werewolves in space - eh wierd"
But as space dogs fan I can agree with one thing in this video - stupid wolf, wolf, wolf __ names.
OFP legion for the win. My only hate for the wolves are the baby blue power armor. So much fun to convert.
so what I'm hearing is:
wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf.
Convinced me to sub. As a guy who loves Space Wolves both in lore and on the table, it's incredibly refreshing to see someone who, while not a big fan of them, can make a video that isn't just shitting on them.
Also hating the naming convention? Fair. My personal "Favorite" is Dog Dogborn.
Also also. Sabaton. Correct.
ngl I LOVE the space wolves, they are really funny, have great characters, interesting rules and the lore is really fun.
and really really stupid which makes it better lol
Space Wolves to me is what the very first 40k Edition Space Marines Legions were, or the very least the closest to what Space Marines were barbaric warriors rather than knights in space. Up to 3rd edition when the SM lore got an grimdark update and Black Templars were the poster boys of 3rd edition and what a SM is today.
I'm a fan of the space wolves for a long time, but I also haven't played 40k in over a decade or read a book about them so maybe it's just my ignorance that's keeping happy.... ahhh blissful ignorance!
There was one piece of advice i was told a long time ago by one of my uncles. It goes, " If the bit is really good, commit yourself fully to it."
The Space Wolves are that bit.
Hahaha you mentioned it at the end. WOLVES
There's a theory, that the Space Wolves have different names for their ranks which derive from Fenrisian language from their home planet, and since that doesn't translate into Low Gothic, the majority of imperial just assume these words mean wolf, so theoretical these ranks are named something completely different, but because imperials aren't educated they just call everything wolf.
Sound like a copout to excuse GW terrible naming conventions
This would be my 2nd legion if dark angles didn't exist. Vikings, but in space and I'm sold.
One thing I find interesting about them is how in at least 1 sense they can't really ever be completely codex compliant even if they for some reason wanted to since the one time they tried to create an offshoot chapter it ended in all of the members of that offshoot becoming wolfen from being away from Fenris for too long or something of the sort, which was apparently very saddening for the Space Wolves since they were very excited about having an offshoot chapter.
last time I ever watch this guys clips and movies
I blare Sabaton when ever i play/do anything so yes, id play space wolves blaring Sabaton. xD *buys Murder claw, paints him up in space wolve colors, then hits him up in an addicitional coat of propper Blood Raven colors, with spots of wolf paint showing through here and there* =P
I want to play the game but can't afford the mini's and yes i want to play as the space wolves❤
I used to like them. Then the deeper I went the less I liked them, because of how silly they are.
Same
Literally Add Wolf to anything and you have space wolves, The wolf cave, wolf time, wolf nap time, wolf eat time, wolf pet.
Your intro made me self reflect. Maybe I like space wolves because I myself am a loud fucking moron. Or the aesthetics just do it for me.
Reload your wolf-gun with wolf-rounds so you can run with the wolf pack and wolf attack the enemy non-wolves. Send Brother Lupus to Wolf-Mart to obtain more wolf-food for the she-wolves and their wolf pups. You can get there on the wolf-ship, but remember to come back to the wolf-planet for the wolf-feast at the wolf-party where everyone is drinking wolf-beer.
I get that the naming thing is kinda a turn off for a lot of people, I rarely refer to them as "Space Wolves" among other 6th legion fans. As the lore explains, that is an name the outsiders use. One of the things I personally enjoy about them are the vibes. One moment they will be tearing their way through an ork waaagh, the next they will be swigging alcohol that could give a normal man an aneurism. They are very bold and embracing, and will mess with you just to show you how much they care. They do stand out in 40k for a lot of reasons obviously. Viking in space? Yes. Viking werewolves in space? Still yes. And then touching on that, the way they have their psykers work by pulling power from the psychic imprint of Fenrys in the warp instead of chaos tainted warpspace, also pretty cool. They'd make for the most enduring friends, and the most terrifying of enemies. Not to mention what happens when someone is in a dreadnaught and goes wolfen, or the canis helix being an additional factor to their ascension to astartes. By far one of the most prepared legions for the heresy, not just from their experience with (maybe) wiping out the 2nd or 11th legion, but also their cultural traditions of protecting themselves from daemons just through runes or totems or other bobbles. And then is also mentioning the fact that they can make fully grown adults into astartes, because Leman Russ wasn't gonna leave his shield brothers behind when he went to conquer the stars. Granted, very low success rate, still achievable. When their lore is good, it is magnificent, when it isn't, its terribly mid, I understand this. But for me, their are few more attractive aspects of the grim dark than a legion of warriors who will grin at the oncoming apocalypse, before ripping its throat out with their teeth.
Emperor: I'd like you to defend this world.
Space Wolves: Attacks all the chaos gods.
Might as well call the first company the “Wolf Wolves.”
You know the Vlka Fenryka are probably my favorite Legion. Because... They were never a chapter. Leman is tied with Rogal Dorn as my favorite Primarchs (I play Imperial Fists). I can not take the naming scheme for them. I don't mind their look. If they named things like Vikings I would blast Sabaton while playing them. But wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf. I can't take it.
I don't play tabletop BUT I have an army of Space Wolves that I move around blaring Sabaton AND Powerwolf...
They are not my favorite but not my least either. They are silly but cool at the same time.
In the Audio Compilation Endless Wars; there’s a story where a Space Wolf Drop pod lands in an ocean. The sole survivor is helped into a fishing. Spoiler Alert; the XXth shows up and “Alpharius” wastes him.
The stuff before that is pretty cool though.
That the one with fishermen
@@conradlorgar5508 the day the Hydra Visited…
@@conradlorgar5508 it was such a cool story. That was my first little snippet of the Allha Legion. I’m finishing “The First Heretic” now. Honestly I really didn’t like it at first, but now the second half has made the first so much more interesting. Realizing that Argel Tal was the reason the Gellar Field protection the Primarchs gestation pods was SUCH a HOLY SHIT moment. Now Tal is remembering each Primarchs landing on their home worlds.
Space wolves as characters can be cool since they can have nuance. But when you group it all together and speak in generalizations its very difficult to see anything except Wolf man go awoooo
Space Wolves is one of the legions that is saved by plot armour. Where other legions would die if they charged headfirst, the Space Wolves win cause they are wild and ferocious, as if that makes any sense.
And yet that same logic doesn’t save the World Eaters from losing in lore at times, truly the pinnacle of GWs writing.
I liked a few parts of their mini end times with the thousand nerds. The part about feral, mad and above all just *angry* “wolves” and tribe members who were just roaming the wastes looking for more invaders to slaughter or be put out their suffering after ending a thousand son or their pawns after having their packs or tribes wiped out was nice.
The part where in the underground area you had “wolves” and dreadnought fighting back fire monsters and burning to death in the process was also cool.
That is just bad writing. Originally the SW were not particularly better at close combat than any other chapter (although they may enjoy it more), and, save the blood claws, they did not went head on to close combat. All the descriptions were describing the "cunning hunter" and "wolf pack" idea, which is quite the opposite of going berserk
If you read any of the Space Wolves novels, you will learn that they, in fact, employ just as much strategy as any chapter, and are far more adaptable.
During all of the 40k SW omnibusses I've read, I can't remember a single blind charge. I remember a lot of naval superiority, fixed defense tactics, infiltration tactics (Ragnar and Sven pretending to be orks piloting a trukk was hilarious *and* practical), and kill-team insertions.
Space Wolves that are dressed as Wolfen are not allowed in ARE Crusades!!
If they kept to viking culture like the white scars did to mongolian culture they would be cooler. Or they could finally acknowledge that there are more than wolves in the artic zones.
Rn i like the dark kraken more for viking stuff than the space wolves.
"They have us outnumbered a hundred to one, their aircraft darken the skies, their tanks churn the ground to mud. And all we have is our axes and ill temper hardly a fair fight, is it my wolves. Let them pray their weakling Gods have mercy on them, for we shall not." - Logan Grimnar
"They're just odd." Honestly, you nailed it.
Aside from liking the Space Wolves mostly because I like Wolves and Vikings. I like how the Space wolves with charge head long in to battle with a smile on their face and fire in their hearts and to me that means a lot. You are facing the horrors of Warhammer, You better do it with enough passion as the Fucking Space wolves do to think they will come out of it alive and to have stories told of their conquest for generations to hear and to me Legends never die.
I mean they're also just loyalist world eaters to a point so yeah very fun!
I feel like the space Wolves need to be slapped back into shape like chaos shows up and almost takes them out before girly man shows up. or the nids show up and do the same. That and they stop calling everything wolf.
I like the theory that there is no word for wolf on fenris, and everything they call "world ___" is actually just an administratum dude not knowing how to translate their language
Videos like this one convince me that I, indeed anyone, could be a RUclipsr.
Thanks for the inspiration.
There should be a cat themed company of the space wolves just for lols
It would be cool if they dropped the whole wolf thing for a more animal spirit thing instead, then they could include animals like bears or boars Or foxes and the like.
Imagine bear themed terminators or boar themed tanks , or owl themed snipers. Could bring a much need fresh air than just wolf wolf wolf idk
>reckless abandon
my death company would like word with you
6:20 you're not wrong.....but for an ork that's called "the best possible outcome" (maybe that's why I like Orks but find the Space Corgis kinda mid, Orks are MEANT to be stupid)
I count ten wolves.
I was hoping for a little more than just scraping into double digits.
Awoo.
Thanks for the content: the space wolves are cool though-- particularly in their current post-The Wolftime iteration
Wow, even their time has a wolf in it? Lol