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Grey Knights: Rejoice children of the Emperor, we are here to save you!
Imperial Citizen: Hurray it's the Grey Knights!
GK: FROM YOURSELVES!
IC: Oh no, it's the Grey Knights...
"You saved us"
"Oh i wouldn't say saved, more like, _under new management_ "
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God i love Grey Knights. Im such a Grey Knight enjoyer. Every day i wake up and put on my finest clothes, go down to the hobby shop and buy more Grey Knights. They have the best writing in the setting and absolutely wipe the tabletop. Grey Knights could beat Custodes so easily if you really think about it. I love the Grey Knights. I can feel Kaldor Draigo coming inside me
There is no way you meant to write that last sentence.
amen brother
Grey Knights could really beat the Emperor tbh I love spending 140 dollars on patrols please let my family go GW
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Lamenters would be hilariously sad. Well, I’ll wait till the cursed founding comes up.
Certainly tragic but they try their best no matter what and they’re very skilled. They managed to widdle the numbers of one of the biggest tyranid fleet and survived over 100 years in the warp, held their grounds against chaos long enough for other astartes chapters they reinforce them. These guys are tragic but they’re no where near the term weak.
Anyways this isn’t an angry comment rather a supportive comment about the Lamenters and I’ll be waiting for the video too.
@@patrickiamonfire965 I have no words.
To get from the second to the 21st founding will take some time.
Lore aside, I actually really vibe with the GK aesthetic something fierce. I LOVE the sharp terminator knight heads and the wrist bolters. Genuinely some of my fave designs, shame they have such inconsistent lore :(
AT LAST A FELLOW GK ENJOYER FOR THE ARMOR! HUZZA!
@@klortikterra4423 I love the blend of middle ages plate with the grimfuture tech of 40k. It kinda feels like what the marines were going for but never quite hit for me (except for MK2-3 which are appreciated)
@@bearsayshet710 i am a massive history nerd, and the medieval look was one of two big factors to playing them. other being they countered my dads chaos (he's been collecting since 2nd)
MK6 helm looks a bit like a bascinet too.
While the vast majority of their Ward Era lore has been de-canonized, the damage is still very much done amongst the old guard (or anyone who joined pre-8th edition). You'll still find many people who consider the Grey Knights as nothing than a chapter of Gary Stu archetypes.
Yeah agreed. They were my chapter till Matt ward. I quit entirely and sold my Grey knights and now I play battle tech.
Good
In your dreams maybe. Draigo 1v1 Morty and carving a name into his heart is still canon. I haven't seen evidence that any of his other feats aren't canon either.
I played against that when it came out I had chaos marines at the time
There is no such a thing as "de-canonisation".
Period.
What once was canon, always will be canon.
I have the idea that the Grey Knights are secretly not of the Emperor's Geneseed and are actually Thousand Sons. Janus was a TS after all and was their first grand master, and it would fit the whole "Everyone is a psyker" thing
Wasnt he also infused with the good shard of Magnus the Gays soul
Also, during the Siege of Terra the Emperor offered Magnus a second chance to serve the Imperium, with a new Legion. Coincidence?
Maybe.
And the Emperor for all of his power, is a normal human, an Alpha Psyker and perpetual, but an biological human, not transhuman.
@@matteussilvestre8583 Hey, out of curiosity, has anyone else thought of this?
No flesh change though. If they were of Magnus they'd be very corruptible.
Keep in Mind, the grey knights were written, concepted and "WrItTeN" by the same guy of "he who shall not be named" that made the ultramarines Gary sues until 8th edition.
That being said, I do like that they're the inquisitions true hammers against chaos, there's some cool lore behind them (first battle of Armageddon) that is there. Like you said though, its like they're the 40k equivalent to a faction wide very, VERY bad fan-fic.
I can’t believe “The emperors gift” finally came out in audio form after all these years. It’s been a good summer for 40k
That is where I learned about them lol
"Someone wants them to be the main characters of 40k" - Matt Ward. It was Matt Ward
I thought the Ultramarines were Matt Ward Gary Stus
@@RetroRadianceLight he did both. They both were powers by Matt Ward
@thewerdna
To be fair, Ward also worked on the Necrons 5th edition - the one that turned the Necrons from 'scary emotionless robots' to 'bickering Egyptian robots.'
Your opinion on that change could vary, but that codex also introduced all the big Necron characters we know today - the Silent King, the forgetful Zandrekh, and even Trazyn the Infinite
The Grey Knights should be the very embodiment of the all that's best about the Astartes ( who are in the words of the Emperor 'the defenders of humanity' ), right down to not allowing Inquisitors to wipe out uncorrupted loyalists, sadly their writing is generally bad because it apparently has to be grimdark ( such as wiping out the sisters for no sensible reason, fighting the Space Wolves because an Inquisitor with questionable authority says so, or killing innocents who 'know too much' ).
Much like the Custodes, they were also never conceived in the game as being an Army in their own right, originally they were meant to be a small elite unit to drop on a Greater Deamon/Avatar like a bomb for Imperial forces.
To me they should be like the Men In Black of 40K, and I think one of the better interpretations of the grey Knights was in Chaosgate: Daemonhunters, showing them not beign lap dogs of inquisitors and actually questioning them and confronting the one in their ship, and you know, ACTUALLY SHOWING EMOTIONS!
The Sister Blood thing was decanonised as edgy bullshit, and are any innocents REALLY safe after exposure to daemoni fuckery?
@@SeanCrosser I think if the baseline humans are aware that daemons are real then so too are the angels of the God Emperor, it's something to reaffirm faith when you see the deamonic foe slain by the Grey Knights, and you shouldn't be killed just for bearing witness.
@@edgieststalker8141 I sometimes think since the Fall of Cadia they should stand in the light now rather than hide in the shadows, the Imperium needs such things to rally against chaos. I really should get around to looking at the Chaosgate game, that sounds cool.
@@SeanCrosserthough it wasn’t really decanonized . 40k usually retcones things by replacing those moments in the old lore .
For instance older lore said space marines were space cops .
Now their super soldiers
That moment where the grey knights kill the sisters hasn’t been replaced by newer lore or officially confirmed to be noncanon
I've always imagined the Grey Knights as having strength in between the regular Astartes and Custodes, as they are classified in lore as Sanctic Astartes instead of Adeptus Astartes, as well having tougher and more rigorous training in comparison to the other Astartes. I do understand the unappeal of having Spacier Marines that are better just because, and I do hope that their lore is written in a way to make them earn that Spacier Marines title. Hel, I'd even do it myself if I had experience writing at all lol
Also if it makes you feel better, the Grey Knights on tabletop are just worse than other astartes in general. They are basically a shooting army without the shooting, as their melee is alright but nothing better than anyone else's, and they have no good shooting weapons for their infantry. Their best model is the fucking Thunderhawk, and that costs over $900
@@Streygenmoment Well, if the models would be as good as they are in the lore, Custodes would win every game. So of course you have to balance it out. I really like the elite nature of the GK's. One of my favorite characters in 40k is Garran Crowe - unfortunately, there aren't too many books with these boys.
@@ruinerblodsinn6648 counter point, the army cannot fight vehicles effectively unless you spam Paladins/Chaplain combos, Librarians, or Nemesis Dreadknights. We are an Elite army without the strength of one
@ruinerblodsinn6648 custodians are stronger in the table top. They just have less numbers in the table top. Should of done something like that
thier actually equal since a grey knight can increase thier strength speed and resilience beyond that of a marine. they literally bless thier bodies with battle powers, to enhance combat ability.
I view Grey Knights (which I also play) as an over specialized force meant to deal with a specific threat and nothing else. Their gear is so tailored to deal with demonic forces that to be used in any other setting other than to smash demons to paste makes them look like generic space marines in overly polished war gear. Like a Grey Knight Grand Master could be using a master crafted, finely inscribed, thrice blessed, dipped in the blood of saints, thunder hammer so holy that to even look at it makes demons explode. But against orks, tau, eldar or some human that blinked when he should have ran, its just a lead weight on a stick.
With that in mind it's really funny to imagine a squad of Grey Knights genuinely struggling more against a "simple" Genestealer Cult infestation over something insane like boarding a daemon-possessed ship.
Yeah. Against demons, their thrice-warded, perfectly honed minds are the sharpest, hottest 1000° kitchen knife.
In front of a zoanthrope, they're fancy canned food. Losing a Librarian to brain burnout sucks, but it's even worse when the entire chapter is made up of Librarians.
I do love the idea that Grey Knights fare terrible against everything else, even though I'm pretty sure the lore states they have 3 times more plot armor than Ciaphas Cain.
@@CoffeeMaus OH heavens no. They lost a Grand Master to Logan Grimnar during the Months of Shame exodus, they lost an entire brotherhood to Angron, They lost another to warp travel drive failure (which came back a few centuries later), and nearly lost another to gellar field failure. They got it rough.
@@theodorehodbor5080forget genestealer cult, imagine a grey knight squad being wiped by a simple chaos cult.
The Emperor's Gift is an excellent read and now on audible for those that prefer audiobooks. It's a slower-burn than other ADB stories. I found the pacing drew me closer to the main characters such that the things they eventually see and do hit harder than the usual bolter-porn action that can be absorbed at a distance. He quite literally places the reader inside the minds of the main characters as much of the dialogue between them is done psychically. So, communication isn't just restricted to words and largely incorporates touches of images, emotions, etc. It's a good book.
Say what you will about the Grey Knights, but their armor is simply incredible. They are a royal pain in the ass to paint well, but when they are done right, very few armies can match their look on the tabletop.
Lore-wise, yes they are kind of all over the place. But I think it’s fitting that they did pick up a “Primarch” in the Horus Heresy Lore: the Noble Shard of Magnus.
No one can get through a grey knights video without mentioning "that" sisters moment
It was such a stupid, edgy thing. Makes zero sense to slaughter incorruptible sisters to fight demons instead of... just fighting demons with them.
Nemesis Force Weapon +1 or a squad of highly devout, furious women bearing bolters and flamers that could hold off enemy advance while you huddle up for a banishment ritual? Silly question, stupid choice.
I has hat
Have you ever eaten. A tangerine.
Would you like to try one?
The Grey Knights are essentially just loyalist Thousand Sons. Their gene seed obviously comes from Magnus despite what the lore says, because the Emperor clearly doesn't have gene seed since he's neither a Primarch nor even an Astartes and only Magnus's gene seed has the properties of the Grey Knights, making almost all recipients into psykers. The Grey Knights aren't (or shouldn't be) the best at everything: they're just the best psykers among the Space Marines, with an exclusive focus on fighting Chaos, especially demons, and that's all. If you really like the Thousand Sons but you want to play loyalists then the Grey Knights are your guys. GW / Black Library needs to get somebody on the Grey Knights who knows how to write. They look amazing and just need some better stories about them.
Going off of you mentioning how Grey Knights are the better overall Space Marines, there is a story (I know, writers can be inconsistent with portrayals, as you mentioned) of the Grey Knights getting shit-stomped by the Space Wolves in something called the Months of Shame. It's definitely something to look into if you haven't already and kinda shows that while they are cool, at least in my opinion, they can struggle against other loyalist chapters.
Joros, the biggest shame the GK Order had ever brought to the Imperium.
Honestly I like how the Grey Knights are portrayed in the whole Armageddon fiasco. Instead of being uber-chads who can beat daemon primarchs on a regular basis literally almost the entire force deployed there was killed trying to banish Angron, and even then not permanently. Along with them also getting the fuck beaten out of them by the Space Wolves while the whole of the Inquisition was backing them I feel like it a lot better showed how while the Grey Knights are very good at dealing with Chaos they'll struggle against other threats, and even then when dealing with Chaos even they have limits.
If Grey Knights are the biggest bestest space marines who can all have Terminator Armor, here's the BIGGERER, BETTEREREST Space Wolves man who can SPRINT FULL SPEED in terminator armor and follow that up with a perfect decapitation of a Grey Knight Grandmaster!
@SeanCrosser to be fair space wolves are probably the worst chapter for any Astartes to fight just because they've been used as executioners of Space Marines for a very long time. Leman Russ even wrote an entire book on the subject of how to wipe out an Astartes Legion.
Not to mention they're use to fighting psykers. Honestly there wouldn't be a worse match up for the Grey Knights than the Wolves.
Yeah but space wolves are just plain murder. Anybody who tries to fight them always gets bodied.
Bro the grey knight that fell to slaanesh's corruption pulled a LEEEEEREROOOOOY JENKINS
Grey Knights are fine, just not in GW’s hands.
I wish GW would decanonize the grey knights
they are here to stay bud and likely more lore too.@@RetroRadianceLight
they should make female grey knight
I love the idea that there is a 1/100 chance that summoning a daemon will summon Caldor Draigo instead.
That such funny idea. Like imagine being in their shoes.
Y’all are a chaos cult, you’ve gotten the evening ready, Steve has brought the blood and skulls it’s gotta be great.
Y’all get around the pentagram and say Hamana eight hundred times. Then there’s a giant flash of light. And the a great ass, sliver knight runs out, kills everyone, doesn’t elaborate, and disappears
The Grey Knights are cool in concept, but dumb in execution and inconsistent in lore.
I still prefer the Blood Ravens for the role of Loyalist Psychic bois.
Nathaniel Garro is still better than Kaldor Draigo. No cap. He just is.
Blood Ravens are OGs, just ignore the third dawn of war game and they stay awesome.
These lads can also be such a tragic bunch. Their recruitment comes from taking members from other chapters and further breaking them down mentally and physically just to remake them into stronger warriors. So you're taking someone that was already broken down and had parts of their personality burned away to make a super soldier and you're doing it again, but more brutally. Poor knights don't even have memories of their childhood, if their lucky they have faint echoes of their past. In the hands of more competent writers we could have some very interesting stories, sadly more often than not the Greryknights feel like either like diet Custodes or jobbers in order to highlight just how strong a daemon ,or daemon prince, is.
Where did you find this information???
@@Miron_Marnic its part of their lore. If you want a more indepth dive luetin has a vid on how Greyknight training works.
@@Miron_Marnicin the 8th and 9th addition codex’s, it states that Grey Knights recruit from all manner of Imperial worlds, barbaric worlds, Black Ships, civilised worlds and also the recruiting worlds of the Astartes, often without their knowledge. Some chapters, notably The Exorcists and The Silver Skulls identify certain of the own recruits in whom the Grey Knights may show an interest and offer them over. It’s not clear how far down the road these recruits have gone before being transferred.
@@Eagle-eye-pie Alright. I knew that the GK recruit from basically the entire Imperium, but I didn't know that the Astartes homeworlds also count. But still, they have the Emperor's own gene seed, so it is not possible to make an aspirant with some organs implanted a Grey Knight. Or maybe they can. I don't know, it is the inquisition after all.
@@Miron_Marnic I couldn’t find any indication that the recruits taken from Astartes worlds had received any implants or especially any gene seed before being taken. As you say, this wouldn’t make sense anyway, so it should be assumed the recruits are at an early stage of recruitment imo. The real trials begin on Titan!
Wacky Nonsense basically descrips the entire franchise
Grey Knights were my favorite when I first got into the lore but I think Imperial Fists and Black Templars will always be my real favorite chapters. I really like the Salamanders, Iron Warriors and Blood Ravens as well. Most legions or chapters are pretty easy to get behind.
But I guess i just like the I.F. and B.T. for personal reasons.
Fists embody the calmness and objectivity I wish to aspire to and the Templars wrestle most directly with the bottomless well of rage that resides in them all.
I know none of that is about GK but tbh my favorite thing about them is how they're represented in TTS, especially Draigo xD
Haha! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's a fan of multiple chapters. Hell, I'm sure this is the norm but being new to the community, it's still cool to see. My favs are the Salamanders, Raven Guard, and Dark Angels.
@@genefactor007 Nice, man! Welcome to the community :D Yeah as far as I can tell most people like multiple factions, even if they don't play multiple or dive as deep into the lore. For a long time I was a total Imperium fanboy, but got into some chaos factions and the necrons. An' den derez da ORKS (deyz da best)
Dark Angels and Raven guard are cool as hell too! Really there aren't many chapters I dislike, off the top of my head. There's a lot of surface level stuff and good/bad jokes about most factions. But there's something for just about everyone in Warhammer :)
This reminds me of an old-ish SsethTzeentach video where he was browsing Sonic OC characters and there it was, Terminus, the Knight of Endings, literally a Grey Knight, which got as edgy as you can imagine.
The Gray Knights used to be my favorite...when they were a mysterious super-special anti-demon taskforce, basically when the lore actually treated them like an actual secret.
They stopped being cool when Kaldor Drago beat all of Chaos and they got issued Tactical Baby Carriers. Now I like Guardsmen.
I enjoy the theory that each Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights hosts the Noble Shard of Magnus. Instead of the shard having died along with Janus, it just possessed the next Supreme Grand Master and continues to do so. Which would give at least some plausibility to how Kaldor Draigo could have gone up against Mortarion.
3:13 Kitten be like "It's NOT CANON!"
8:17 hopped up on ground up eldar warpstone crack. my gods this guy is hilarious!
"Yes! I am comparing Grey Knights to Sonichu".....
My sides have gone into the warp XD
I love the grey knights I think them being "better" then other Astartes comes down to the fact that they are all space wizards with all the positives and negatives that entails
I can see in a fucked up way why they can kill greater daemons far easier then normal heretic Astarte's since their gear is designed to hunt Daemons, It makes sense they can crush daemons that normal marines would struggle against but have a far harder time killing normal traitors since they special anti daemon gear is far less effective.
I kind of like that since it makes them seem like the specialists they are meant to be rather then just better space marines
A custodes remarks that without them being psykers (since they were fighting alongside Custodes, and therefore Sisters Of Silence), they're JUUUST a bit better than standard Astartes in combat, due to their focus in teamwork, and working together in small groups against hordes is practically their schtick.
I doubt they could hold a siege as well as Imperial Fists, do taxes like Ultramarines, or sneak behind you like Raven Guard, though.
I love the aesthetic, especially in the artworks since the minis are kinda outdated with those bulimic thigh, and I don't really see them as just another chapter but better. I like how their psychic trait is more oriented towards channeling it through their weird weapons or in a defensive way, while having the classical sorcery represented better in the thousand sons. I'm ok with there being a top secret psychic chapter that excels against daemons and as a result are on average better than other SM. Too bad their lore is all over the place and mostly sucks.
Another case of why trying to powerscale anything in 40k is a futile effort. Each BL and Codex writer is working off their own headcanon on that and GW doesn't care as long as the models sell. Characters are as powerful as the plot needs them to be which gets crazy with the authors that dont understand the meaning of restraint.
Which isn't helped by the fact that there are several characters who are essentially immortal so them getting beaten doesn't change anything major. The Avatar of Khaine, Grearer Daemons, Daemon Primarchs and the Tyranid Swarmlord all have enough notable losses to put a sizeable dent in their perceived threat level.
Can't wait for carcharadons!
daddy shark dooo dooo dooo dooo
They like to think they’re better until they Run into Space Wolves and Salamanders.
I feel like Space Wolves are just as much Gary Stus as Wardian Era Ultramarines or Grey Knights
Chaos gate was actually a pretty fun game with a good story it was written by adb who wrote the night lords trilogy
I LIKE the idea of the greyknights, BUT as the idea that they are the best to use against daemons...as they were made for.
like yes army wise, tech wise, gene wise, psychic wise they are one of if not THE best space marine chapter to exist ever...there's really only one group of marines that can compete with them and that's thousand sons, and even there the comparison is just a wizard duel and daemonology mastery
AND THATS WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Grey Knights are the guys you send out for a daemon prince, a daemon primarch, a daemon world ect ect... if it has anything to do with a large scale daemonic influence the GK's should show up and just be absolute monsters WITH THE CAVEAT that because of their secrecy, and their elitism, the numbers they bring in...like the tabletop, are fewer than other responses.
Drago is the Shadow to Catos Sonic, and you know it.
Grey knights when written well and in concept are super cool, but the way they are portrayed seem like that one kid at recess with an anti everything shield.
I actually don't mind the idea of the Grey Knights being better than most other Space Marines. These are _supposed_ to be the guys you call when you need a Bloodthirster deleted. They wouldn't be as suited for traditional warfare as other Chapters but, outside of Custodes, they should absolutely be the last ones anyone would want to fight head-on.
Nathaniel ''my sword is long, my balls are heavy'' Garro. lol
“Ever eaten a tangerine? Would you like to try one?”
My new canon for the GKs is that Kaldor Draigo is impeccably stupid and insane, and prone to random fits of screaming.
"HAVE YOU EVER EATEN... A TANGERINE??!"
Grey Knights are "the hammer blow of the Ordo Malleus" -- I see what you did there
I have yet to see a RUclipsr make a video of specifically successor chapters of each legion. Good job mr bones
The problem with the Grey Knight is that the Adeptus Custodes exist now, and the Custodes really do the whole "Hyper Elite Super Marines" thing better than the Grey Knights ever did. And I say this as someone who fucking loves the Grey Knights. Mostly because I'm a huge fan of the Paladin archetype in fiction, and the Grey Knights are all about that paladin archetype, from their helmets that resemble knightly great helms, to their whole "shining silver armor" aesthetic.
If I were writing these guys, I'd lean into the idea that these are Traitor Legion Marines who chose to stay Loyalist, and give them a complex about this that leads to them seeking martyrdom even more than other Astartes. Every Grey Knight knows that they are kin to traitors, and every other Astartes does too. They should specialize in fighting Warp Entities (Daemons, Psykers, etc.), but struggle against horde armies due to their focus on slaying monsters and sorcerers.
If I were in charge of the next Grey Knight codex. . . I wouldn't write one. I'd fold them into the Inquisition Codex instead, and move their HQ units to elites or something similar, so that every Grey Knight army needs to be led by an Inquisitor. Make them an MEQ troops option for Inquisition armies or something.
I thought you would make a quip like "the 50 shades of grey knight power levels with how inconsistent they are" or something like that.
Grey Knights are the only 40k faction I genuinely wish would be Squatted from the entire setting.
My first real interaction with GK's was chaosgate daemonhunter, where it fekt harder to deal with marines than it did daemons. You can bench press that plaguebearer but you gotta use true xcom tactics against deathguard.
I really like how their task force in Angron's Ark of Omen book was described too.
Very much so a "oh hey GK's are here!....oh fuck gk's are here what the fuck is coming"
They showed up are preparing for Angron and theres nowhere where i felt like that was not a serious notion
i am compelled to say hi back to you every time you introduce yourself in a video.
thank you for your efforts arthur.
"They're bureaucrats, Morty, we don't respect them!"
I like the part in the lore where Logan Grimnar kicked some of their shiny asses...
The Knight Errants were cool though...
All Lore issues aside, the aesthetic of the Grey Knights design is my absolute favorite. The Silver armor and unique helmets just looks so amazing. Along with the glowing blue Halberds, they just look so damn badass!
Greyknights in a nutshell: "what if space knights but more knights... and with magic"
Grey knights just always called to me as Gray Knight has been my handle for many things for years before I even heard about them, and they're just really cool with their paladin aesthetic, and well, paladins, another thing I've been a big fan of. Castellan Crowe is a BAMF, and also nearly saved me in a game I played against my friend playing nids with his fight on death and repeat nearly wiping a unit on his own. His fuck you I'm the most uncorruptible deal with it, this insanely powerful sword with a demon inside it constantly trying to turn me and everyone around me to chaos, ya it's just a regular ass sword in my hand because I refuse to give in and use it. He's the best.
Honestly I like the Grey Knights because futuristic super soldiers in knight armour fighting demons with power swords is a really cool aesthetic. The main problem with them is how they were/are handled in the lore with their main character stndrome and such. But still I personally just think having a middle ground between space marines and custodes being neat, partly justified with their niche being nigh uncorruptable psykers whose job it is to fight demons but... I understand other people's disliking of them since the space marines but better part of them does add to the "im specihul" aura around them. Do I have a point or am I just an outlier?
That bit where they struggled against a plague marine when they could normally defeat a greater demon with little difficulty may be an example of the perils of overspecialisation. They're too good at fighting demons that they are ill-equipped for even proxies for demons.
Thematically cool but not always interesting on their own, Grey Knights are, however, the catalyst for more than one interesting story centered around another faction, like when the Space Wolves punched them in the face over killing a planet they just fought and bled to defend, or the Fall of Shadowbrink where they fail outright ad get eaten by Tyranids because they were so worried about the Daemon relic they were guarding cracking open, only for the bugs to easily defeat the Daemons and banish them back to the Warp pretty much by accident.
First you diss my beloved Space Wolves, and now you diss my beloved Grey Knights tooo???? I hate you... But i like your style and content. I always look forward to your uploads!!!
As a player that really got into 40k in 5th, Grey knights have for a long time left a sour taste in my mind. Their the sort of army I would never want to own and thats its honestly only within the last few months that Iv gradually started to soften on them. ..that boarding patrol box was actually tempting.
A restaurant will be judged by the worst cook in the kitchen, One bad meal and you'll never go back to that restaurant again. 40ks has a big kitchen with a lot of cooks. Ward was, even looking back years later after the hate and the memes have burned down to bitter coals, a pretty bad cook. But that doesn't mean those other cooks didn't put out some amazing dishes. Its been a long while, and that chef that gave everybody on /tg/ diarrhea years ago is gone. It might be time to see what somebody else can do with that recipe.
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Meh, I don't mind the GK being superior to all other Astartes, second only to the Custodes.
They're the only Astartes with absolutely pure gene seed taken directly from the Emperor himself, uncorrupted by going through a primarch. It's logically consistent.
Honestly, viewing them as a space marine chapter is not really accurate. They are basically custodes if the custodes weren’t boring as fuck. Their origin is incredibly badass and their training is straight up horrific. Kaldor Draigo is a meme and not a particularly good one, but so is Constantin valdor
To fight the insanity of chaos you must become insane yourself - grey knight's most likely.
And oh their "primarch" is the emperor, same as the shiny golden boys.
I liked the Grey Knights lore that was back in 3.5 edition Daemonhunters codex, it was more grounded ( like every 1 to 1000 human survive the Geneseed implantation like every other Space Marine Chapter ) and was less cartoony that it is today. They had that mysterious but rad af vibe to them up to the point where M.Ward self written himself in the GK's lore.
To say that Guilliman was to all Space Marines their spiritual liege was catastrophic mistake on a memeable level was the overstatement for many years.
Jesus the bloody sisters story is very unhinged lol. Like im all for horror and descimating a readers brain with terrible acts of war. But that felt far fetched asf.
Its even worse because you know who they were fighting? Khorne daemons. Totally, killing your allies and covering yourself in your blood will totally help with that...
Also, a lot of the 2nd Legion survivors were supposedly rolled into the Ultramarines so you could just discuss one of their chapters. It's close enough.
You should discuss the Carcharodon chapter. But otherwise the Black Templar would make for a fun episode.
I love the Grey Knights when they're treated as what they are. Yes they are better Marines, but better at fighting chaos. Everything they have is tailored to fighting daemons. Though I despise whoever had Draigo carve out Morty's heart, he deserves better than being a blatant example of the worf effect
The grey knights are all right, I actually enjoy their stories. While in the lore it is said they are great combatants and are the only deamon specific chapter of space marines and are all powerful psykers they are not actually that much better than a regular Librarian or much better at fighting then a marine. In fact when they say they are the hammer it’s quite literal they use their psychic power to bludgeon their enemies, against a skilled practitioner like a thousand son or a great sorcerer they are kinda useless. They don’t fight Orks they don’t fight tyranids and they don’t fight necrons and they don’t mix their battles. The grey knights unlike most of the imperium is singularly focused on one enemy and that’s chaos meaning all that training they take is just to fight chaos better they would be bodied by a waagh and that’s alright. If it’s not a warp entity then their debuffs they apply to warp entities don’t transfer to regular marines so the death guard doesn’t like them but it doesn’t mean they lose. on the other hand mortarion is a deamon so he’s being constantly pushed away from the plane of existence by just their presence where a sister of battle’s incorruptibility hymns and chants manifest themselves with strength a grey knights faith is their armor. So I disagree grey knights do one thing better then any other chapter and that’s hunt Deamons. In lore grimnar killed a couple because they were in his way and it was easy cause grimnars not a deamon they can’t weaken him or banish him so they died cause again they’re not actually great fighter on anything else then deamons. Why do you think every story is about them is them fighting the immaterial it’s because they would get roffle stomped by any other fight. Their writing is trash though and they need help but it’s not any worse than abbadons 12 failure crusades being just as planned or a group of harlequins massacring custodians.
It totally makes sense the grey knights would be better on average than most other space marines it’s like comparing tier 3 special forces to tier 1 special forces they are both great but one is better
The Grey Knights would do better with a Night Haunter style scribe system
And sonichu is exactly why exterminatas is not just advised but the reasonable step
As a grey knight simp i know our lore is a mess and it makes me Papa Robu level depressed
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I completely disagree with statements like „there should not be a chapter that is … just better at everything’. Why not? In reality there are people who are just better than you as well.
The most WTF grey knights moment was not the SoB bullshit. But the time grey knights and the red talons chapter was send to destroy a traitor titan legion only to get nearly wiped out by a suprise attack by the FUCKING NIGHT LORDS.
This means that some where in the galaxy there is a night lord warband that has grey knight armors and chaos titans.
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The one thing I really dislike about them is the "remove those who shouldn't know about us" bit(the novel of hyperion does redeem this part a bit). Also the matt ward treatment(1d4chan hates him with a passion). Speaking of 1d4, they're at odds deciding who's the chuck norris of war40k, draigo or logan grimnar(I'd vote for latter). Still, they do have a good trilogy (and few short stories), in said trilogy book 2, there's a cool moment where protagonist trades wits with a demon titan no less (book 3 was a shake up but with a reasonable ending), check it out if able.
It's obviously Sly Marbo, he can solo the entire armies of chaos if he felt like it.
What's the trilogy name?
@@mizublackriver7021 It's just called Grey Knights (book 1 called as such, book 2 is dark adeptus, book 3 hammer of daemons). There's also prequel Sacrifice(it's quite...grimdark), and the Emperor's Gift (novel where you follow guy called Hyperion(who becomes prognosticator later) during the 1st war for armageddon (he breaks angron's old demon sword) and the "months of shame"(he brokers the truce between inquisition and space wolves)).
@@Bread-nx9fo Oh yeah, completely forgot about him, he's actually the top contender for the chuck norris, grimnar close second(also santa, bcs of wolf sled he uses).
Heres why I "like" the grey knights. They have the coolest realistic "knight" aesthetic with the actual silver and gold armor (that are all terminators), specialized polearms, and awesome helmets. I also like that they are ALL super-psykers that CAN permanently end some daemons. I do, admittedly, like the idea that they are "better" than other chapters of space marines...because they are supposed to be. They do not fight anything except chaos threats. They are special operations units for a reason...like the custodes. Are they custodean level? ABSOLUTELY HELL NO. But are they just slightly better than normal, run of the mill space marines? Yes, but not by too much, and that's all they need. I feel like it's justifiable to say that if 10 space marines in highly advanced terminator armor, who had extensive training on how to fight in that armor, were to fight against 10 normie ultra-smurfs in normie power armor, the grey knights would win 8 to 9 times out of 10, just for their gear and training. If 15 space marines fought 10 grey knights, then it would be different. That's just an example, though.
OTHER THAN THOSE THINGS, they are written horribly and absolutely the conspiratory poster-child of GW that someone really really really wanted to win the "my OC is better than urs" prize for. And that's not fun.
One thing I do not like about them: killing fellow forces of the imperium after an attempted daemonic siege simply because those forces witnessed chaos entities.
Or has this been struck off?
This is why I want 40k to be a bit more main stream do these things and a cool unit like grey knights get the attention and the effort they deserve.
While also retconing and making a main story that follows consistency
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Banishers of low quality razor blades, eaters of tangerines.
"They cannot lose."
Logan Grimnar would like a word.
I like grey knights as a faction for the same reason I like the custodes. They are just so unique.
Sure they have some bad dysfunctional lore, but this is GW, everything has some of that.
The army plays with a heavy inflection of lore flavor that is more pronounced particularly in 10 th than other sm fractions.
"What do you think about the Grey Knights?"
I don't. Nice try, Inquisitor.
Nevar forget:
The Grey Knights are the one of the only reasons some people see the Space Wolves as (almost) Reasonable Marines.
Have you ever had a tangerine?
I see that you have a beard.
Grey Knights are often overlooked as specialists. They’re good at fighting daemons (notice how each of the super powerful entities they swing above their weight against are always daemons), but not nearly as good at fighting other threats. They can lose and they are by no means the best at everything. Ward era writings shouldn’t be taken as canon.
Also primarchs could use to be knocked down a peg(even though the draigo thing is definitely stupid) and I like the idea that they aren’t the invulnerable gods they were made out to be in myths recanted from over 10,000 years ago.
I happened to view your social and i must say. I love oatmeal and his derpy little face🥰
In Chaos Gate Daemonhunter. Morty still seething about the heart carving XD.
I actually made my own legion based on one of the missing primarchs
My Legion is called the Disciples Annihilus
Their Primarch is like a super massive actually benevolent like father figure burly Scottish man with a majestic red Beard and well taken care of red hair with a mullet like hairstyle and eyes that emerald like in both color and sheen with an opal esque sheen.
His gestation pod crash landed in what was pre-death-world kreig which in my history I came up with for pre-death world kreig is that it was heavily steeped in corrupt beaureuocrasies and oligarchs which he lead a resistance against and took over becoming more of like a global leader that most on the planet would turn to for advice on matters regarding their world and visits from people from other systems.
Eventually he’d be United with his sons while on a diplomatic trip to a nearby system and meet with the Emperor (aka his Big Uber Powerful God Dad) and go crusading for a while but in his absence kreig would fall into dismay without his leadership theyd rebel leading to the imperium having to nuke it into compliance. Then when the Horus Heresy Came around and feeling like he didn’t do enough to ensure the safety of the Emperor while engaged in the war where the Horus and His traitor legions were fighting the imperium and feeling like he also failed his own people on krieg.
After the emperor was interred on the golden throne he requested that any information and records on himself and his sons associated with him were to be expunged and his existence removed from the annals of The history of the imperium and his men reassigned to other chapters/legions so they wouldn’t have to also bare his shame nor be mocked by their peers from other heraldries.
Then he would venture off into parts unknown into self exile because of his shame. Waiting just in case even though he doubts it the imperium would have use for him again or even welcome him back.
Thus making him one of the missing primarchs of the unknown legions.
He had 4 particular unique traits
One that was a pretty substantial self healing factor He could basically with his bare body zero armor for quite a while shrug off many kinds of non warp-based munitions fire and many kinds of damage (to an extent but not a ridiculous one) He could get his arm blown off and within like a couple months grow it back (barring any complications).
He was/is quite resistant to chaos corruption.
He basically would go into blood rages during combat , the more time he spent killing the more effective and agressive in combat he would become , he’d be passively powered by the warp basically , with little to no actual ill effects but the use of this for him did come at a price it had a lingering effect on the body after combat that caused severe pain that required sedatives to ease and to get said pain to cease all together.
He had a knack for both conventional and unconventional tactics and was a very good strategist.
He is rather charismatic and open to diplomacy even with non-hostile xenos races but not to the extent he will forsake Imperial doctrine. He believes there is a place for xenos on the planets of the imperium but they will be and should expect to be expected to follow The Imperiums laws and Regulations. (he sees it as necessary to the survival of humanity.)
Any xenos that refuses he believes is not deserving of their place in the universe. Because to live in spite and conflict with the Imperium is to live as one who creates new and more terrifying warp entities with ones unchecked beliefs that could be a far greater danger to all greater than the danger of and probably even a danger to the ruinous powers. Because the warp makes and unmakes things based on a substantial number of living souls believing and or not believing on the existence or concept of that one thing.
His sons only got the first trait to the extent that their bare flesh was incredibly resistant to many kinds of damage but would give in under contiguous pressure (considerably less than their father could handle)
The Second Trait they completely retained
The 3rd Trait they Also retained.
The 4th trait they are just as charismatic as him and more diplomatic and whole heartedly take what their primarch believes as guiding doctrine.
Yeah I’ve always felt that the grey knights being of the emperor’s geneseed is a bit weird because I don’t think that’s how gene seed works? But like also at the same time the Custodes are literally right over there
Looking like the deathwatch is the clear choice for the 11th video.
The pitch that sells the Grey Knights to me is this, "imagine the doomslayer multiply-classed into a paladin and wore a tank as armor with a brick shithouse knight aesthetic and a pension for the extra. Now make that a whole faction, with each member being their own variation of the doomslayer."
Personally I'm a sucker for really tanky Paladinesc magic users of the more frail mage aesthetic, I really like a non-overexagerated knight look, and a bunch of doomslayers that are actually pretty cool with the non-hostile xenos is fun and different and gives some cool depth. Also disliking them for being the fan-fic op faction when the Custodes exist isn't really fair, especially given they're essentially a half-way between Custodes and standard marines that specialize in messing up daemons, that even holds up in lore given the relationship/rivalry between the 2.
Important to remember GW's stated newer stance on the broader WH canon when we discuss the Grey Knights: Everything is canon, not everything is true.
I have the Sonic OC issue you brought up, but with Custodes.
They're just too obviously Golden Special Best Space Marines. "Each hand-crafted by athe Emperor himself!"
It turns me off completley.
I don't have that with The Grey Knights, so this was interesting :)
Maybe becuse I never engaged in specific stories of thier lore? Perhaps I DO see them as having a niche that they excell at?
(The Chaos Gate game has also recently reinforced how BADLY outnumbered they always are. Always vulnerable. Every mission is one mistake away from losing the whole squad)
Should have talked about the time grimgnar kill a bunch for being a dick to the space wolves
I mean, lore aside i do dig the brushed steel armor and incredibly sick medieval helmet design. To my tastes they're probably the best looking chapter of the bunch, even if their writing sucks.
Personally, I think that the grey knights should be more or less equal to a regular marine in a fistfight, but above and beyond to ludicrous degrees in a daemonhunt. The grey knights should be written as a specialized force, becoming much more than the sum of their parts when facing any kind of warpspawn. I think that a few scenes showing the contrast between how well-equipped grey knights are to deal with daemons compared to how little their unique wargear and specializations help against other foes would really help with their presentation as a fraction.
just having the grey knights be flat-out better than regular marines feels like a failure of imagination. I am honestly fine with Kaldor Draigo beating Mortarion, so long there is a damn good explanation of the kind of insane bullshit and specifically counter-daemonic tools he had to employ to win. Grey knights should not be beating greater daemons in straight slugfests, they should be chanting their foes true name to weaken them, performing litanies and rituals to drive back the powers of the warp, baiting the demons into inevitably futile attempts to corrupt or possess them and actually using all of that specialization, rather than just mindlessly swinging the big halberds
They do look really cool, tho.
While the Gary Sue-ing is.. well not good
I just love the idea of these guys, the last act of vengeance by a fallen god
Plus I played a ton of Chaosgate which REALLY sells them