Remember LeBron's last game with Cleveland before he left to go to Miami. Cleveland loss to Boston in the ECF. A reporter asked Kevin Garnett what advice would he give LeBron about his upcoming free agency decision. Garnett said "Loyalty will kill you".
@@Rieky22 Never said the team was perfect by any means. But they were competitive for a good portion of his time there. To me, wasted prime means not even having a shot to compete for a championship.
@@TTJJCC for as Good as AI was, one finals visit and no rings wasn’t enough. These guys were seen as generational talents coming in, and they were, just the teams around them didn’t fulfill their potential you know?
one good finals run? I mean I guess its better than most players accomplish so you may be right. and you're right about melo too it wasnt about loyalty to the Knicks Melo was more loyal to the city of New York itself and money.
I use to be all for loyalty in sports, but I realized years later that even when you’re committed to the team, the organization will still get rid of you. Loyalty in sports is just overrated.
Melo didn’t waste his time being loyal. He chose money over going elsewhere to compete for a championship with a team that would invest in players to put around him. NY offered him a check and he took it. The same as what Beal is currently doing now.
and he demanded a trade early on from the Nuggets which made the Knicks gut out their roster full of good role players just to get MELO a year earlier (Melo abt to a be free agent after the season) resulting to mediocrity.
@@sanamabeach that’s when melo career went downhill. It was already February when he got traded. Just had to wait a couple months and could of signed with them and kept all the role players
I think in life or in business, any kind of loyalty is rare. If an organization treats you as a person and not a product, any loyalty returned is not wasted IMO.
I disagree with Melo being loyal to the Knicks when he chose to go there via free agency and stayed knowing they wouldn't win. He left a pretty good situation in Denver at the time via trade to play for the Knicks but knew they were dysfunctional and still stayed because of the bag. Now Dame? Yeah he's loyal to a FAULT.
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 and that was a reason many people don't talk about when discussing melo goin to New York when he did lala was all in his ear talking bout we need a big market to help my career and blah blah but that's what happens when you listen to broads
I feel like KG’s story is the perfect story to warn against loyalty to a team and it stunting your growth. KG would be considered the greatest PF of all time but he didn’t have the team or coach Duncan had
To be fair tho early on they had something with gougelotta and Marbury but goug forced a trade and Marbury ran himself outta town and then their was the whole joe Smith fiasco so it wasn't like the timberwolves were doing nothing
A.I did push hard (pause) for another all star in Philly. I know I'm from Philly and used to read the Philadelphia Inquirer. It got to the point where he even suggested the team pickup an old running mate of his from College since they didn't want to acquire an all star from free agency. That was a constant in his last 4 - 5 years in Philly, him asking for All Star help and they gave him All Stars, All Stars on their last leg 🤷🏾♂️
Well technically they didn't Iverson went to Denver then Detroit then Memphis. Melo went to the Knicks then OKC then Houston then LA. Dame is the only one who hasn't gone anywhere.
@@rooseveltdarbey9493 yeah but they all had periods where they played despite having a team that wasn’t good enough and some receiving backlash from media
I don’t think any of them wasted their prime years away. I know the ultimate goal of playing competitive sports is to win, but a more overlooked aspect of competitive sports that I hold in a similar light is balling out no matter the situation, and these three did exactly that. Not everyone can be a champion, but everyone should play their hardest and compete no matter what.
@@12savage68 meh I agree with the sentiment but as a competitor the main objective should b to win not just put up nice numbers so I can't say rings are overrated
@@johndavis9321 no the main goal is to make as much money as possible playing a kids game so your family can be set for generations. Im sure guys like Barkley aren't losing sleep at night cause they didn't win a ring.
Prime Reggie ran into Mike and then the Pistons (Tayshaun Prince)later. If Wizards Mike would not have gotten hurt they would have made the playoffs and that would have been such a fun story but they ultimately would’ve had a similar fate as 38 year old Reggie. You could say Reggie needed just one more piece at multiple points in his career but that’s why we’re here. These conversations are fun as hell man. 👍
I think Lilard should've followed the LeBron school for contract negotiations & what I mean by that is he should've signed short term contracts to see if the franchise was serious about getting him help. I think Iverson was cut from the MJ cloth of showing loyalty to the franchise & Carmelo was focused on the 💰 & being a top scorer. Much respect SGrowth on a Dope topic.
One way loyalty is stupidly. But that goes both ways from player to organization and vice versa. Best believe this will be addressed in the next CBA. Maybe a compromised will be made that player can’t demand a trade during the first 2 to 3 years of a contract and the and the team can’t trade the player during that same span.
Melo was one of my favorite players but he was only loyal 2 money. 1.He forced his way to the Knicks during the season instead of waiting until the summer because they can pay him more for his bird rights 2. 2014 he resigns with the Knicks when he could've went to the Bulls with Butler Rose and an uninjured Noah that Bulls team took the Cavs to 6 games that post season
This is crazy that this was never a question for players until Lebron left. Now we all look at players to leave after year 6 or 7 if they don't win a title. We can't accept that not all players win. Hell, most don't win so I don't think players waste their prime who give their all to a fan base, no matter how bad a team front office is.
This the one JC. Melo wasn't loyal; he's from NY, he wanted to get paid, and he was in his mind a superstar so where better to show it? Dame fared a little better but has the narrative working for him so there's that. AI...
Carmelo and Iverson are weird examples to use here since both tried to get out of their drafted team multiple times. They more were focused on being the guy on a team than whether or not the team was good. The better comparison to Damian Lillard is Kevin Garnett, where it almost seemed like the FO took advantage of how their star could almost get a team to the playoffs by themselves and either not get the supporting cast they needed or let the 2nd best players walk as soon as it was time to pay them.
LILLARD needs to get the heck out of Portland. What a waste of loyalty & talent on a team going no where. MELO forced a trade to NY for the large contract and location. Then refused an offer from Lebron to join MIA w/WADE. Shows what his priorities were. IVERSON made it to the finals in PHI and tbh NO ONE was winning during that Shaq-Kobe era other than Duncan & DET. AI going to Den w/Melo was his attempt at a ring.
Players should play for the team that best fits their needs. Players should be able to chase Money, Championships and Locations as much as they see fit.
Allen iverson was a pure monster 👾 for his size in my opinion the way he dominated and being very athletic is like how (bruce Lee) dominated (martial arts) at his smaller size he should have won atleast 1or 2 championships 🏆🏆
I definitely believe Dame is wasting away in Portland. It hurts because he’s my favorite player among this newer generation of players. My guy I-VO actually accomplished major things for the Sixers. Unfortunately, his team didn’t have enough to challenge the Lakers. JC, what’s up with and stunted growth on my man Robbie Hummel out of Purdue University? If he never tore up his knee.. he was on his way to being a star at the next level. Good jump shot, excellent rebounder and assist man for the SF/PF spot. He also played good defense and had a decent post game. Great all around player who was drafted by the T Wolves in the 2nd round but didn’t make it past one year with the squad. Keep up the great content my brother 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Loyalty is overrated in sports people expect the players like lebron to be loyal yet a team will get rid of u once u are no good like Isaiah Thomas if a team is willing to work with u and invest in others around you then yes I believe a player should stay
Lebron is a pathetic clown. Ruined each organization he was on. Not to mention I don't he can literally read. Always pretending with a book in his hand. Always on the first page. F lebron. Horrible human being. Stop riding his jock.
I don't think especially Iverson wasted his prime, because Allen could only play one way that's it. That 2001 team that he took to the finals was the only type of team you could win with Iverson. Where he did all the scoring and everyone else did the other stuff like defense, rebounding, setting screens and ball moving.
A a nice blacktop game!! Saginaw/ East Lansing vs Oaktown Bizz.. U got Magic,Draymond, J-Rich versus Gary Glove Payton, Mack Antonio Davis & J.R. Rider ?? With Steve Smith & Dame Dolla of da bench. Holla Back young'n Yee Yee!!! A wit MC Breed & 2Pac as Tha 🎶guest.!! All-Time!!!!
disgusting how the Sixers never added a all star player next to Iverson. but this before all these super teams players wasn't teaming up like they do now.
I wonder what kind of advice would Dirk be able to give to Damian Lillard. Seeing as Dirk stayed Loyal to one franchise and didn’t win till the end of his career. There was plenty of times where Dirk could’ve bailed but he stayed true….and it finally worked out for him. Dirk is one of the only guys to stay loyal to a team like that and win without some sort of super team. The Mavs also stayed loyal to dirk Which is extremely rare for a franchise to do. Hopefully it works out for dame in that fashion , but i just don’t see it happening without another SUPERSTAR. Joel Embiid is going down that same road as Dame but in the end i think Embiid will get a chip lol. He has the intangibles that dame doesn’t have.
Speaking on players being "loyal." Its a shitty double standard. When the teams do whats best for the team its always, "At the end of the day its a business." But when a player wants to do whats best for the player, its "The player is disloyal." Fuck that loyalty shit lol. Im happy to see when a player does whats best for themselves and their family, over being loyal to a team. Because the team will do whats best for the team
It depends on the player's skill as well as overall luck. We could be saying the same thing about Giannis had he not won in 2021, we could be saying the same thing about Dirk had he not won in 2011. Sometimes you play with the hand that you're dealt. You may get lucky and come across a royal flush like Steph Curry or get a lousy hand of cards until you decide to try your luck at another table. I will never throw shade or any ridicule at anyone showing loyalty to the team they represent because it's too rare of a trait where honor is a dying concept. Though at the same time, if someone feels like they're not getting anywhere, why not try your luck elsewhere? Sometimes our fates are already determined before we make a choice.
Honestly Melo should have not been selfish on not sharing the spotlight with Lin. Jeremy was great in his prime carrying the Knicks and Melo should have helped further his development. I’m glad Melo retired ringless because in the end he never got his ego in check.
Bradley Beal finna be another prime example of an player wasting their prime being too loyal. Bradley just signed a 5 year/$251 Million deal to stay with the Wizards. Beal only 29 years old just to keep in mind.
I don't feel bad for the nets. Many times we are reminded that the league is a business. Teams use players and underpay them when they get any reason like an injury and eventually dump them. Look at Boogie's and Isaiah Thomas's stories. I'm happy players are starting to look out for numero Uno.
Carmelo was not loyal. He just wanted to play in NY and even when they were losing he did not care. He even got jealous of Lin which was someone who could have helped him in his stay.
I'm a Rockets fan, but I would absolutely love for Dame to win at least one championship in Portland. No player in the league right now is more deserving than he is. I used to think CP3 was that guy, but after really thinking about it, Dame deserves it more than he does because he plays his heart out each and every single game & sticks with an organization that's trash through thick and thin. I wish he was on my Rockets. He's the kind of guy that I want on my team: Loyal AF, clutch & plays his heart out night in and out.
Man, Melo & Iverson weren't loyal to anybody but themselves. Both were liabilities on defense and were ballhogs who couldn't play along other great players. They were never championship caliber players. Melo wanted the money and A.I. wanted to shoot 40 times a game. Dame, on the other hand is being loyal.
I really wish Damian would leave the Blazers, especially now after management totally dismantled the team to rebuild. By the time the young guys get good, he will not be much of a factor.
This is a tricky thing to judge since you can be like Giannis and say you won it the hard way. Jokic and the nuggets home grown talent. Obviously what KD did is the worst joining a 73 win team that beat him but you can flip this narrative in anyway you wish.
Iverson situation was different I think they wanted to tank to get him younger guys but didn't tell him because remember they tried to sit him and he went to the media and said he wasn't hurt
Melo stunted his own growth. Forced a roster gutting trade to the Knicks when he could have just signed as a FA in the off-season. But he got his millions extra, so i dont exactly feel bad for him
11:25 $60M per. That’s where big dog… he’s not worth that. No accolades justify the contract. Giannis is worth that, Bron, Wardell, not many guys are worth $50M+ per. That’s the best of the best.
If being a pro athlete is a job, then what’s the point in being loyal to a place that isn’t good for you? Dame is one of my all time favorite players, but he’s almost 32 and Portland isn’t competing for a title anytime soon. Apparently Portland’s supposed to be a great place to live, but he can play for another team and rent a condo during the season while keeping a house in Portland, right?
I have to say that “LOYAL” GREAT’s Like KG, MELO(side bar, My Detroit Pistons should have Drafted Carmelo Anthony,Sunn)The Answer aka A.I. & Damien Lillard are Characterized With A RESPECT ✊🏾 🫡 as UNIVERSAL PEOPLES CHAMPS….They’re Loyalty holds more weight than any Player jumping to a Readymade Championship Contender…..Another Sidebar…Mark Jackson deserved and deserves to be a NBA Coach. Peace & Love To DAME
your life, your career, your legacy, your choice. sports media really did a number on the general public getting them to think these athletes treat their jobs any differently than the rest of us do with our 9-5's. only real difference is we get fired while athletes get uprooted and sent wherever their boss decides. Great analysis as always JC
Either you stay and get called a waste or leave and get called a cupcake. You can't win with some people. Hopefully they stay loyal to themselves and not do it for the media and fickle fans and greedy management.
All 3 of these ballers dedicated their lives to the game of basketball I'm basketball and got paid doing it in the process creating creating generational wealth for them and your families And 2 of them are still playing in the league.
I feel for Pat Bev in a way but yeah 2/3 guys wasted their youth not ring chasing but other than that they are what they are in comparison to their competition and skillset. Not known for playing good defense and ball hogs.
Should players be loyal to their teams? It’s hard to tell because you have to factor front office commitment to winning building around their players. If not the players have the rights to go somewhere-else
I wouldn't say waste of their prime bc we still got a chance to see how great these players really were. For AI i think his basketball story was perfect as far as his prime goes, yes a championship would've definitely capped his career off the right way but man the dude went to the finals and fought his ass off against that laker juggernaut AI really gave it everything he had. I think things could've been different for carmelo bc he had a chance to go play for Chicago when they were championship built just needed that superstar instead carmelo chose to take the money but we all know dam well that new york team ain't stand a chance. Lillard actually has had teams good enough to win it all they just can't get ova the hump
allen iversons game was not conducive to winning championships. he is like westbrook in that he is a great individual talent but he would have trouble playing with another top talent who could do his thing. it was more of a case where the sixers were the only ones who were willing to put up with his unprofessional ways and his style of play.
The Association was different den, A.I. mo loyal den anyone!! I wish he'd a played n Oakland but den who knows he mighta ended up like Monta. Damn n it took him 4 yrs ta make Allstars!! Wow peeps was hating on him! Seeing as how Kobe was all star n 2nd year
Teams have no loyalty so should players. We have seen organizations do what they want and it be called the business of whatever sport their in. Now players have the power that the have it looks crazy to some. I look at both as business. I always look at the Isaiah Thomas situation with the Celtics as my proof about things just being business.
If you take money over signing with another team, especially when the other team is offering you less money to play with a better team, you didn’t stay because you were “loyal”. You took the money. Carmelo and Dame took the money, it’s cool, but let’s not start acting like these guys want to be here because they love the city.
I definitely don’t want to hear about melo, he chose the knicks they build a solid team around him and he couldn’t get it done. He was then offered a contract from the bulls, the bulls at this time was a force if he’d signed with them he’d definitely be champion. D.rose j. Butler, j. Noah the bench mob they was loaded. He choose the bag instead
They should almost never be allowed to do that. There are so many reasons to not do it, not the least of which bc it just makes the whole era look bad.
They've always been allowed to request trades, but the owners/teams just do not have any backbone. All trade request don't have to be met or even acknowledged. Now, I do agree that a lot of times, a player going public with a trade demand can appear to be classless.
They should be held to their contracts. Because these players are being drafted and brought into the NBA to make money and win in their sport. The reality is that the "win" is not guaranteed for any player. Only 1 team will win every year. So if players are just there to chase a championship, then what is the incentive to even play for the other 29 teams? Not every great player is going to win and that should be expected. I see people saying _________ deserves a ring. Why? Over _________ and __________? When does that logic end before it just destroys franchises?
They should at least fulfill half of their contract duties before asking for a trade and if a player throws a tantrum and not play or act injured even if the team doctors stated otherwise then that player should not receive any pay plus a fine. The top players have to much power in their hands and due to this those who are not as renowned will be affected once a new CBA is done.
Personally I would prefer to honor my contract and play it to the fullest. Then when my contract year is up and I'm not seeing any form of improvement within my team, I will definitely shop around when free agency comes.
I respect Dame for wanting to be loyal to the team that drafted him. I get it. Especially being a fellow Cancerian. We're BIG on loyalty. At the same time, though. That loyalty needs to be matched by the home squad. Are they giving you players that you can build with to contend for a championship with? Or are you stuck in perpetual mediocrity, since the team has you in a Superman, you can do it all to get us over the hump scenario? My perspective? If you team is putting you in a position to contend every year - stay. If not? Go somewhere that's going to put you may not be "the man," anymore. I'd rather be a second banana or a role player on a championship team, than "the man" on a team that couldn't get out of their own way.
Remember LeBron's last game with Cleveland before he left to go to Miami. Cleveland loss to Boston in the ECF. A reporter asked Kevin Garnett what advice would he give LeBron about his upcoming free agency decision. Garnett said "Loyalty will kill you".
Hard to say AI wasted his prime when he went to the Finals. And Melo was loyal to his money. The Knicks were able to pay him more than anyone else.
He literally had zero offensive help he was literally probably the only guy that can get his shot off
@@Rieky22 Never said the team was perfect by any means. But they were competitive for a good portion of his time there. To me, wasted prime means not even having a shot to compete for a championship.
@@TTJJCC for as Good as AI was, one finals visit and no rings wasn’t enough. These guys were seen as generational talents coming in, and they were, just the teams around them didn’t fulfill their potential you know?
one good finals run? I mean I guess its better than most players accomplish so you may be right. and you're right about melo too it wasnt about loyalty to the Knicks Melo was more loyal to the city of New York itself and money.
Facts. Melo had a chance to go to the heat instead of the Knicks but he would’ve had to take a pay cut in Miami
I use to be all for loyalty in sports, but I realized years later that even when you’re committed to the team, the organization will still get rid of you. Loyalty in sports is just overrated.
Exactly
Yup fuck loyalty
Most people use "loyalty" as a morality play. They try to make themselves feel better when their team stinks.
Get yours while you can because when you’re used up
Theyre on to the next one
Ben Simmons
Melo didn’t waste his time being loyal. He chose money over going elsewhere to compete for a championship with a team that would invest in players to put around him. NY offered him a check and he took it. The same as what Beal is currently doing now.
I agree bro 💯 Melo couldve went to a contender but chose money
and he demanded a trade early on from the Nuggets which made the Knicks gut out their roster full of good role players just to get MELO a year earlier (Melo abt to a be free agent after the season) resulting to mediocrity.
Big facts.
Facts!!!!! He gone regret later
@@sanamabeach that’s when melo career went downhill. It was already February when he got traded. Just had to wait a couple months and could of signed with them and kept all the role players
I think in life or in business, any kind of loyalty is rare. If an organization treats you as a person and not a product, any loyalty returned is not wasted IMO.
I disagree with Melo being loyal to the Knicks when he chose to go there via free agency and stayed knowing they wouldn't win. He left a pretty good situation in Denver at the time via trade to play for the Knicks but knew they were dysfunctional and still stayed because of the bag. Now Dame? Yeah he's loyal to a FAULT.
Melo went to New York because LaLa wanted him there. He was better off and n Denver.
He was traded there. No FA.
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 and that was a reason many people don't talk about when discussing melo goin to New York when he did lala was all in his ear talking bout we need a big market to help my career and blah blah but that's what happens when you listen to broads
@@johndavis9321 exactly. Your woman should follow your lead not the other way around. And maybe that’s part of the reason they ain’t together anymore.
He went there via trade and that trade doomed him and the franchise. They gave up all of their assets to get him and never recovered.
You forgot Lillard's Draft Classmate, Bradley Beal. He's definitely in the same situation, and it looks like he's staying for the money.
I feel like KG’s story is the perfect story to warn against loyalty to a team and it stunting your growth. KG would be considered the greatest PF of all time but he didn’t have the team or coach Duncan had
To be fair tho early on they had something with gougelotta and Marbury but goug forced a trade and Marbury ran himself outta town and then their was the whole joe Smith fiasco so it wasn't like the timberwolves were doing nothing
Carmelo should’ve stayed in Denver. That’s where he played his best ball at.
true but he was ready to get away from George Karl....completely understandable..
A.I did push hard (pause) for another all star in Philly. I know I'm from Philly and used to read the Philadelphia Inquirer. It got to the point where he even suggested the team pickup an old running mate of his from College since they didn't want to acquire an all star from free agency. That was a constant in his last 4 - 5 years in Philly, him asking for All Star help and they gave him All Stars, All Stars on their last leg 🤷🏾♂️
Lillard needs to go to Miami, Boston, Denver, Minnesota, Lakers or Philly
If you ain't happy in a relationship leave never stay for the kids aka the guarantee contract peace of mind is priceless ☺️
You shoulda put Brad Beal in here too
Exactly he should've put him on the list
IMO all three of these dudes are more legendary because of thugging it it out. Along with dudes like Book, Dirk, Nash and Beal
@@yeahrell The only accolade they're missing though is a championship
Well technically they didn't Iverson went to Denver then Detroit then Memphis. Melo went to the Knicks then OKC then Houston then LA. Dame is the only one who hasn't gone anywhere.
@@rooseveltdarbey9493 yeah but they all had periods where they played despite having a team that wasn’t good enough and some receiving backlash from media
Great topic
This topic applies to a lot of personal relationships. Many people have stayed together too long for all the wrong reasons.
I don’t think any of them wasted their prime years away. I know the ultimate goal of playing competitive sports is to win, but a more overlooked aspect of competitive sports that I hold in a similar light is balling out no matter the situation, and these three did exactly that. Not everyone can be a champion, but everyone should play their hardest and compete no matter what.
Agreed.
Right ... Robert horry isn't in the hof but these guys are or will be. Rings are overrated.
@@12savage68 meh I agree with the sentiment but as a competitor the main objective should b to win not just put up nice numbers so I can't say rings are overrated
@@johndavis9321 no the main goal is to make as much money as possible playing a kids game so your family can be set for generations. Im sure guys like Barkley aren't losing sleep at night cause they didn't win a ring.
@@12savage68 guess we'll just agree to disagreeif your gonna be out their the main goal should b trying to win
We need a video on Thon Maker. Man was rumored to be built in a lab then ended up doing nothing.
I thought you was gonna put Reggie Miller on the list. Dope video 💪🏾
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Prime Reggie ran into Mike and then the Pistons (Tayshaun Prince)later. If Wizards Mike would not have gotten hurt they would have made the playoffs and that would have been such a fun story but they ultimately would’ve had a similar fate as 38 year old Reggie. You could say Reggie needed just one more piece at multiple points in his career but that’s why we’re here. These conversations are fun as hell man. 👍
Hopefully Gary Payton the second can come thru with that champion pedigree and give the team a good boost he has a bright future
Pleeeeease do Carlos Boozer next!
Bro turn down the mids on the audio. Great content!
The Bulls starting line-up of Gibson, Melo, Noah, D Rose and Butler would've been crazy
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As a bulls fan,,it still hurts me he didnt go to Chicago lol 😫🤦🏾♂️
@@adubb805 They would've legit given the Heat problems 💯
@@authornahsun634 facts..Melo was that missing piece to a Championship puzzle lol
All the bulls fans said Melo was trash when he was on nyk lol
@@playahdub5287 Of course
Just like they hated Rodman in Detroit
It's sports
Things happen
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Melo was only loyal to the 💰
Imagine if Brandon Roy didn’t get injured, how much good would have came to Portland with Lillard
I think Lilard should've followed the LeBron school for contract negotiations & what I mean by that is he should've signed short term contracts to see if the franchise was serious about getting him help. I think Iverson was cut from the MJ cloth of showing loyalty to the franchise & Carmelo was focused on the 💰 & being a top scorer. Much respect SGrowth on a Dope topic.
Wish Vince Carter would have left the Raptors sooner.
One way loyalty is stupidly. But that goes both ways from player to organization and vice versa. Best believe this will be addressed in the next CBA. Maybe a compromised will be made that player can’t demand a trade during the first 2 to 3 years of a contract and the and the team can’t trade the player during that same span.
Melo was one of my favorite players but he was only loyal 2 money. 1.He forced his way to the Knicks during the season instead of waiting until the summer because they can pay him more for his bird rights 2. 2014 he resigns with the Knicks when he could've went to the Bulls with Butler Rose and an uninjured Noah that Bulls team took the Cavs to 6 games that post season
This is crazy that this was never a question for players until Lebron left. Now we all look at players to leave after year 6 or 7 if they don't win a title. We can't accept that not all players win. Hell, most don't win so I don't think players waste their prime who give their all to a fan base, no matter how bad a team front office is.
Do stunted growth Mark Price and Brad Daugherty 1990s Cleveland Cavs
This the one JC.
Melo wasn't loyal; he's from NY, he wanted to get paid, and he was in his mind a superstar so where better to show it?
Dame fared a little better but has the narrative working for him so there's that.
AI...
Melo is from West Baltimore.
Funny thing here is that at a time,
2/3 loyal of the players mentioned here were teammates.. AI and Melo then Dame and Melo. Funny how that coincides
This day in time a ring is cool but its about that 🎥💰it's when you get to the end of your career that when you get to wanting a ring💯
Kevin Garnett was loyal in minnesota and what did that do for him???
KG got traded.
JC yu definitely should have added brad beal to this as well ...
Carmelo and Iverson are weird examples to use here since both tried to get out of their drafted team multiple times. They more were focused on being the guy on a team than whether or not the team was good.
The better comparison to Damian Lillard is Kevin Garnett, where it almost seemed like the FO took advantage of how their star could almost get a team to the playoffs by themselves and either not get the supporting cast they needed or let the 2nd best players walk as soon as it was time to pay them.
Grant Hill wasted his prime in college & Detroit
Dame must’ve forgotten even Kobe asked out at one point, so did Paul pierce. Hell, even Tim Duncan almost let San Antonio. Iykyk
We can add Bradley Beal to the list too smh
LILLARD needs to get the heck out of Portland. What a waste of loyalty & talent on a team going no where.
MELO forced a trade to NY for the large contract and location. Then refused an offer from Lebron to join MIA w/WADE. Shows what his priorities were.
IVERSON made it to the finals in PHI and tbh NO ONE was winning during that Shaq-Kobe era other than Duncan & DET. AI going to Den w/Melo was his attempt at a ring.
Players should play for the team that best fits their needs. Players should be able to chase Money, Championships and Locations as much as they see fit.
One of these guys is in the Hall Of Fame first ballot. I'm sure plenty of players wish they could have this kind of wasted prime.
I love your buttery smooth voice bro
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Allen iverson was a pure monster 👾 for his size in my opinion the way he dominated and being very athletic is like how (bruce Lee) dominated (martial arts) at his smaller size he should have won atleast 1or 2 championships 🏆🏆
I definitely believe Dame is wasting away in Portland. It hurts because he’s my favorite player among this newer generation of players. My guy I-VO actually accomplished major things for the Sixers. Unfortunately, his team didn’t have enough to challenge the Lakers. JC, what’s up with and stunted growth on my man Robbie Hummel out of Purdue University? If he never tore up his knee.. he was on his way to being a star at the next level. Good jump shot, excellent rebounder and assist man for the SF/PF spot. He also played good defense and had a decent post game. Great all around player who was drafted by the T Wolves in the 2nd round but didn’t make it past one year with the squad. Keep up the great content my brother 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Loyalty is overrated in sports people expect the players like lebron to be loyal yet a team will get rid of u once u are no good like Isaiah Thomas if a team is willing to work with u and invest in others around you then yes I believe a player should stay
Exactly some of these dudes don’t get it .
Lebron is a pathetic clown. Ruined each organization he was on. Not to mention I don't he can literally read. Always pretending with a book in his hand. Always on the first page. F lebron. Horrible human being. Stop riding his jock.
I don't blame any player for staying loyal to their team... That's a solid mindset. regardless of the ring...
I don't think especially Iverson wasted his prime, because Allen could only play one way that's it. That 2001 team that he took to the finals was the only type of team you could win with Iverson. Where he did all the scoring and everyone else did the other stuff like defense, rebounding, setting screens and ball moving.
Do a video on Ludacris; the most slept on rapper from ATL
It's all a business. To leave a team(or stay) because of money is fine... but to leave a team for less money to chase a ring is sucka shit
Great video U should've had Bradley Beal on list just saying.
A a nice blacktop game!! Saginaw/ East Lansing vs Oaktown Bizz..
U got Magic,Draymond, J-Rich versus Gary Glove Payton, Mack Antonio Davis & J.R. Rider ?? With Steve Smith & Dame Dolla of da bench. Holla Back young'n Yee Yee!!! A wit MC Breed & 2Pac as Tha 🎶guest.!! All-Time!!!!
disgusting how the Sixers never added a all star player next to Iverson. but this before all these super teams players wasn't teaming up like they do now.
I wonder what kind of advice would Dirk be able to give to Damian Lillard. Seeing as Dirk stayed Loyal to one franchise and didn’t win till the end of his career.
There was plenty of times where Dirk could’ve bailed but he stayed true….and it finally worked out for him. Dirk is one of the only guys to stay loyal to a team like that and win without some sort of super team. The Mavs also stayed loyal to dirk Which is extremely rare for a franchise to do.
Hopefully it works out for dame in that fashion , but i just don’t see it happening without another SUPERSTAR.
Joel Embiid is going down that same road as Dame but in the end i think Embiid will get a chip lol. He has the intangibles that dame doesn’t have.
Dirk also had a well rounded TEAM around him that fit his skill set
6:35 the 76ers were supposed to get TMAC but Billy King was a halfway crook.
Speaking on players being "loyal." Its a shitty double standard. When the teams do whats best for the team its always, "At the end of the day its a business." But when a player wants to do whats best for the player, its "The player is disloyal." Fuck that loyalty shit lol. Im happy to see when a player does whats best for themselves and their family, over being loyal to a team. Because the team will do whats best for the team
It depends on the player's skill as well as overall luck. We could be saying the same thing about Giannis had he not won in 2021, we could be saying the same thing about Dirk had he not won in 2011. Sometimes you play with the hand that you're dealt. You may get lucky and come across a royal flush like Steph Curry or get a lousy hand of cards until you decide to try your luck at another table.
I will never throw shade or any ridicule at anyone showing loyalty to the team they represent because it's too rare of a trait where honor is a dying concept. Though at the same time, if someone feels like they're not getting anywhere, why not try your luck elsewhere? Sometimes our fates are already determined before we make a choice.
Honestly Melo should have not been selfish on not sharing the spotlight with Lin. Jeremy was great in his prime carrying the Knicks and Melo should have helped further his development. I’m glad Melo retired ringless because in the end he never got his ego in check.
Bradley Beal finna be another prime example of an player wasting their prime being too loyal. Bradley just signed a 5 year/$251 Million deal to stay with the Wizards. Beal only 29 years old just to keep in mind.
BRO I KNOW MELO FROM THE NUGGETS HE PLAYED LIKE 2 seasons WITH THE KNICKS AND HAD 60 ONCE LITERALLY
I don't feel bad for the nets. Many times we are reminded that the league is a business. Teams use players and underpay them when they get any reason like an injury and eventually dump them. Look at Boogie's and Isaiah Thomas's stories. I'm happy players are starting to look out for numero Uno.
Greg Oden n Brandon Roy.....I think Portland Trailblazers are cursed
Carmelo was not loyal. He just wanted to play in NY and even when they were losing he did not care. He even got jealous of Lin which was someone who could have helped him in his stay.
I'm a Rockets fan, but I would absolutely love for Dame to win at least one championship in Portland. No player in the league right now is more deserving than he is. I used to think CP3 was that guy, but after really thinking about it, Dame deserves it more than he does because he plays his heart out each and every single game & sticks with an organization that's trash through thick and thin. I wish he was on my Rockets. He's the kind of guy that I want on my team: Loyal AF, clutch & plays his heart out night in and out.
No one asked who's your team Canete
All three had/have one thing in common. Scoring was /is paramount. You don’t win with that mentality
Man, Melo & Iverson weren't loyal to anybody but themselves. Both were liabilities on defense and were ballhogs who couldn't play along other great players. They were never championship caliber players. Melo wanted the money and A.I. wanted to shoot 40 times a game. Dame, on the other hand is being loyal.
I really wish Damian would leave the Blazers, especially now after management totally dismantled the team to rebuild. By the time the young guys get good, he will not be much of a factor.
U should do Vernon Carey
KD and Kyrie are secret lovers. Only way to explain that toxic relationship/ situation
Stay loyal to yourself. If that means stay then stay, if it means go then go!
This is a tricky thing to judge since you can be like Giannis and say you won it the hard way. Jokic and the nuggets home grown talent. Obviously what KD did is the worst joining a 73 win team that beat him but you can flip this narrative in anyway you wish.
I refuse to feel sorry for Mello in the since his had the opportunity to play with the heat but instead he chose to count his money 💴 in NY💯
Iverson situation was different I think they wanted to tank to get him younger guys but didn't tell him because remember they tried to sit him and he went to the media and said he wasn't hurt
Melo stunted his own growth. Forced a roster gutting trade to the Knicks when he could have just signed as a FA in the off-season. But he got his millions extra, so i dont exactly feel bad for him
11:25 $60M per. That’s where big dog… he’s not worth that. No accolades justify the contract. Giannis is worth that, Bron, Wardell, not many guys are worth $50M+ per. That’s the best of the best.
If being a pro athlete is a job, then what’s the point in being loyal to a place that isn’t good for you? Dame is one of my all time favorite players, but he’s almost 32 and Portland isn’t competing for a title anytime soon. Apparently Portland’s supposed to be a great place to live, but he can play for another team and rent a condo during the season while keeping a house in Portland, right?
You can have all the prime talents and money but, if u don't have a ring it don't matter in todays modern sports!!
I have to say that “LOYAL” GREAT’s Like KG, MELO(side bar, My Detroit Pistons should have Drafted Carmelo Anthony,Sunn)The Answer aka A.I. & Damien Lillard are Characterized With A RESPECT ✊🏾 🫡 as UNIVERSAL PEOPLES CHAMPS….They’re Loyalty holds more weight than any Player jumping to a Readymade Championship Contender…..Another Sidebar…Mark Jackson deserved and deserves to be a NBA Coach. Peace & Love To DAME
Dame Just sign a 2 yr Max today!
[Wit the Blazers]
your life, your career, your legacy, your choice. sports media really did a number on the general public getting them to think these athletes treat their jobs any differently than the rest of us do with our 9-5's. only real difference is we get fired while athletes get uprooted and sent wherever their boss decides. Great analysis as always JC
Either you stay and get called a waste or leave and get called a cupcake. You can't win with some people. Hopefully they stay loyal to themselves and not do it for the media and fickle fans and greedy management.
All 3 of these ballers dedicated their lives to the game of basketball I'm basketball and got paid doing it in the process creating creating generational wealth for them and your families And 2 of them are still playing in the league.
I feel for Pat Bev in a way but yeah 2/3 guys wasted their youth not ring chasing but other than that they are what they are in comparison to their competition and skillset. Not known for playing good defense and ball hogs.
Should players be loyal to their teams? It’s hard to tell because you have to factor front office commitment to winning building around their players. If not the players have the rights to go somewhere-else
Nope and team hopping just for a championship has always been corny to me
hope you never quit your job for a better opportunity say loyal to McDonalds
Karlton Hines next please
I’m confused as to why AI and Carmelo are featured in this video
Dame should have close his mouth when it came to P.G”s decision 💯
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I think AI didn’t want any other star on 6ers. Could be wrong. By that alone, I would say he didn’t waste his prime.
I wouldn't say waste of their prime bc we still got a chance to see how great these players really were. For AI i think his basketball story was perfect as far as his prime goes, yes a championship would've definitely capped his career off the right way but man the dude went to the finals and fought his ass off against that laker juggernaut AI really gave it everything he had. I think things could've been different for carmelo bc he had a chance to go play for Chicago when they were championship built just needed that superstar instead carmelo chose to take the money but we all know dam well that new york team ain't stand a chance. Lillard actually has had teams good enough to win it all they just can't get ova the hump
allen iversons game was not conducive to winning championships. he is like westbrook in that he is a great individual talent but he would have trouble playing with another top talent who could do his thing. it was more of a case where the sixers were the only ones who were willing to put up with his unprofessional ways and his style of play.
The Association was different den, A.I. mo loyal den anyone!! I wish he'd a played n Oakland but den who knows he mighta ended up like Monta. Damn n it took him 4 yrs ta make Allstars!! Wow peeps was hating on him! Seeing as how Kobe was all star n 2nd year
Melo and Lillard in the same boat.
Teams have no loyalty so should players. We have seen organizations do what they want and it be called the business of whatever sport their in. Now players have the power that the have it looks crazy to some. I look at both as business. I always look at the Isaiah Thomas situation with the Celtics as my proof about things just being business.
If you take money over signing with another team, especially when the other team is offering you less money to play with a better team, you didn’t stay because you were “loyal”. You took the money. Carmelo and Dame took the money, it’s cool, but let’s not start acting like these guys want to be here because they love the city.
I definitely don’t want to hear about melo, he chose the knicks they build a solid team around him and he couldn’t get it done. He was then offered a contract from the bulls, the bulls at this time was a force if he’d signed with them he’d definitely be champion. D.rose j. Butler, j. Noah the bench mob they was loaded. He choose the bag instead
Should players be allowed to just up and request trades? Or should they be held to their contracts more often?
They should almost never be allowed to do that. There are so many reasons to not do it, not the least of which bc it just makes the whole era look bad.
They've always been allowed to request trades, but the owners/teams just do not have any backbone. All trade request don't have to be met or even acknowledged. Now, I do agree that a lot of times, a player going public with a trade demand can appear to be classless.
They should be held to their contracts. Because these players are being drafted and brought into the NBA to make money and win in their sport. The reality is that the "win" is not guaranteed for any player. Only 1 team will win every year. So if players are just there to chase a championship, then what is the incentive to even play for the other 29 teams? Not every great player is going to win and that should be expected. I see people saying _________ deserves a ring. Why? Over _________ and __________? When does that logic end before it just destroys franchises?
They should at least fulfill half of their contract duties before asking for a trade and if a player throws a tantrum and not play or act injured even if the team doctors stated otherwise then that player should not receive any pay plus a fine.
The top players have to much power in their hands and due to this those who are not as renowned will be affected once a new CBA is done.
Personally I would prefer to honor my contract and play it to the fullest. Then when my contract year is up and I'm not seeing any form of improvement within my team, I will definitely shop around when free agency comes.
I respect Dame for wanting to be loyal to the team that drafted him. I get it. Especially being a fellow Cancerian. We're BIG on loyalty.
At the same time, though. That loyalty needs to be matched by the home squad. Are they giving you players that you can build with to contend for a championship with? Or are you stuck in perpetual mediocrity, since the team has you in a Superman, you can do it all to get us over the hump scenario?
My perspective? If you team is putting you in a position to contend every year - stay. If not? Go somewhere that's going to put you may not be "the man," anymore. I'd rather be a second banana or a role player on a championship team, than "the man" on a team that couldn't get out of their own way.
Blake Griffin got done filthy