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Rebuying the VC Overseas
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Is it worth the premium to buy into the 'high horology' watch segment? Or do mass produced luxury brands like Rolex hit the sweet spot? I ramble about this topic in this video
0:00 - 2:28 Rebuy?
2:28 - 3:19 The fun of it
3:19 - 4:19 4500v dislikes
4:19 - 7:08 Luxury vs High Horology
7:08 - 8:44 Finding your comfort zone
the issue with you flipping isn't about the "journey" or "wanting to experience other watches" it is because you are addicted to the dopamine hit. you buy a watch, you go through the honeymoon phase and you're on cloud 9. then the feeling passes and but you want that feeling again. so you flip the watch to experience the same 'high.' and its a never ending cycle. you are never satisfied because that feeling will always pass and you'll eventually want more of it.
i am predicting you keep your president for a year or two and let it go.
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Totally agree with you. This is not the so-called "journey". It's basically a somewhat psychologic issue.
Exactly this. And I thought I was a bad
So true.
It’s true. Bruce is completely insane.
I love my VC 5500 Blue dial chrono. It is what the brand is all about, one of not many, not attracting unwarranted attention, it's not about the flex. Hand made, 20,000 produced per annum. Luckily for me I won't have to purchase it back (prices have just gone up substantially). The fact that I can order other bespoke leather straps, new rubber straps come etc. I can change the look of the watch very easily. I have a leather straps (blue and burgundy), rubber straps (blue, dark blue, red, white), and a steel bracelet - this is a great advantage when buying VC.
The micro adjustment on the bracelet, butterfly deployment on the straps (all included), 8 yr warranty. Great watches for generations to come.
Definitely justified! The VC is a borderline work of art. Timeless and lasting piece of engineering, style and heritage.
Should never have sold it in the first place!
Oh please, this is Bruce Williams. If he didn’t needlessly sell and rebuy the same watches over and over again he’d lose half of his content ideas.
@@ozzy1154 true enough. I admit, I really didn't follow his content that much after the VC Overseas sale. Especially after he replaced it with that awful Rolex Skydweller. It was a step back IMO. I understand he needs to keep new content ticking over but we live vicariously through content like this and he needs to be more in tune with that. Or not!
Right !
@@ozzy1154Worship the man..Why don’t you!
Great video! The 5 - 5k quality jump is something I really love and enjoy! 👌🏻
The VC overseas is simple badass, if i had the opportunity, which i will, actually, this is the one watch i would buy and keep until my expiry date..if you add this Bruce, your watch re-collection will one of the global phenomenons of watch collecting..
Really interesting piece. Very thought provoking. Thanks for sharing.😊
I want this vacheron. I dint have a blue watch yet. This is the one. I like the unique design. And want something that I don't see many people in
Not having a anti-reflective coatings on the crystal is a plus for me. I think you feel that way because you go through lot of watches and don't own them long enough to see worn out crystals with scratched anti-reflective coatings.
Excellent, heartfelt video. Thank you!
Very well said Bruce!
Hey man, the move from the under 5k to 15k is also just as noticeable. Or at least it was to me. Going from Rolex/Omega, to the next up being JLC followed by next up being A Lange and Sohne, Patek, or the VC Patrimony or Historique was again, just as noticeable a jump. But ofc it required a bit of experience to really appreciate the intricacies and differences in terms of finishing.
Where can I buy a Rolex for under 5k?
@@2K9s lol maybe he meant those old 34mm air kings with hollow bracelet. I had a JLC reverso duo and tbh the 6 digit Rolex references definitely have comparable quality to JLC for the same price, the JLC might only have a slightly better finished movement, that's it.
@@lettuce1305
Idk but these comments and comparisons without context or reference are silly. And hey, my 5 digit has hollow links… and even a stamped clasp 👻
Really? I handled VC Patrimony and was amazed by... how unamazing it was. It felt... cheap... literally £200 to me. My Rolex OP felt exponentially higher quality than the VC Patrimony or 1921. JLC and Pateks I had slightly different feeling but still amazed at how many little issues and design errors there were with the JLC MUT moon etc.
@@lettuce1305 Don't forget that Rolex have white gold hand / indices and are known to be more durable overall. JLC at that price range have rhodium plated, thats a huge difference in material cost and quality. Bet in 30 years the Rolex will last much better. How many non precious metal JLCs do you see in top condition from the 70s or even 80s/90s?
Bruce Williams and coffee, it’s going to be a great day!
I agree in most part what you said about $500 to $5000 jump with the one exception Christopher Ward. CW makes top quality watches at fantastic prices. Yes the movement is generic but it still is a solid movement that will give many years of wearing pleasure. My top watch would be my Zenith El Primero Rainbow Diver from the late 90’s
Which CW do you have? I'm considering a trident 300 white 38mm instead of a bb54.
Also zenith a384 is my favourite, I think zenith is seriously underrated. Esp the revival models.
@@jamalkherry5296 if you have the extra cash to spend the a384 would get my vote. Love Tudor and own a BB58 but that Zenith is quality.
Honestly anything 500 outside of the mass marketed Swatch group toys will be good quality. Hamilton is not a $500 watch, more like $150 or less when compared to top Chinese or even Japanese value for money brands (San Martin, Sugess, Orient etc).
@@jamalkherry5296 I’ve owned many and all were excellent, my favourite has to be the c65 trident and my Sandhurst
@@rem9011 hard to compete with the Chinese brands for sure but I try not to support child labour
Love the VC.
Great vid Bruce. Love that watch.
Was it really "about a year"? Felt like you had it for about 4 months 😅
You jumped the line at the AD to get the Overseas in a move to make a RUclips video. This cost other enthusiasts an opportunity to get the watch.
Yes to the Historiques American 1921 in Rose Gold (40mm).. it’s stunning!! 🙌🏻👍🏻
Own a couple of Rolexes -a SS/YG DJ and a YG DD. Bought them both a lot of years ago. The prices being charged for both luxury and high horology pieces nowadays are really unbelievable. Speaking for myself, I just don't understand the logic of spending over $30k for a SS watch which does nothing but tell the time and has a date function. I understand if people are buying to flip and make some profit but I don't get spending this kind of money for personal use.
Great video! Couldn’t agree more.
Interesting vid Bruce 👍🏻. I will differ from the vast majority here in that I don’t think the VC (watch & company) is all that. The history is impressive to be sure & the historique is the one I’d have every day of the week. That being said if you’re going to compare apples to apples then really you need to be comparing a 5k, 10k & 15k watch with a piece costing 50k - 150k given the initial premise. I would suggest you would then easily see the same gap in quality as between 500 & 5000. Also, I would suggest that given the quality of other brands offerings such as ALS or FPJ etc etc VC just doesn’t cut it anymore as a haute horology brand.
Perfect complement to the Day-Date!
Great video, Bruce. And thanks to you and your channel, I made the jump from a $500 watch to a $5000 watch. And you are correct, there is a noticeable difference. However, I still enjoy my $500 watches. I have no plans to make the jump from Rolex to VC, PP or AP. But I do admire the holy trinity. Cheers!
1921. Get it! Would love to have it in white gold
❤ Variety is the spice of life ❤ I like to experience as many things as possible and that includes watches, cars, motorcycles and yes women. I’m older now so my wife is more then enough for me. ❤❤❤
It was actually very hyped when you bought it. You can buy it now on the grey market for less than you could now. It’s a great watch and I know a friend helped you get it so I was surprised when you sold it. Is VC still selling to you?
The reason why I choose the silver dial is that the blue reflect so much on light.
😂
Still the best blue dial I’ve ever seen.
Is the frequent watch turnover and flipping expensive at the level of watches you enjoy?
I have the second generation overseas. My absolute favorite and I think it's better looking than the 3rd generation. The only thing mine is missing is the easy strap change system.
This one was the best of the best
Pure class from VC. What's not too like, & its still more attainable than a Royal Oak or Nautilus
I agree the 1921 is great. I have a rose overseas
Enjoyed this. I really like the Overseas and the Historique and never see myself spending in that range. I know my comfort zone. I did buy the JLC Mater Control Calendar limited edition blue and that to me, was a crazy amount of money. And JLC has made extraordinary price increases since! As beautiful as the watch was (is), I couldn’t enjoy the complications without readers or a loupe so I sold it. Went into a vintage Datejust and couldn’t be happier! Crazy hobby for sure.
I don’t always wear watches, but when I do, I prefer the Wasson Automatic Field Watch.
Enjoyed it
Bruce made me buy the Omega Seamaster 300. He made such great videos on various variations. I wouldn’t sell it. Next I’m
Purchasing the Omega Speedmaster.
I made the jump from $500 to $11,000 and believe me it was a HUGE jump in quality!
Thanks Bruce for a moment I thought u were loosing it like the rest of us 😀
Love that VC. I wouldn’t have sold it but all of our tastes can change in time with this hobby. Regarding price points I largely agree with you. The 5k mark seems to be an interesting dividing line in quality in the “mass produced” market. I’ve certainly made my mistakes chasing and selling stuff from a certain brand with a crown logo. Seems to me personally I don’t get much additional satisfaction after the 10k range. Maybe if I get a chance someday I’ll have an opportunity to get into ultra high end pieces but as a guy with a young family it’s not on the immediate horizon.
Trust me. I'm the old guy with Grandchildren and while I love watches; I put a cap on the hobby a long time ago to focus on experiences with the family. Much more rewarding then a Patek or AP or other luxury time piece for me personally. Yes; I can afford them but I choose to do other things that give me greater joy than watches. Just my opinion and to each his own.
would never had sold that beauty
Tough question , my most expensive watch is nearly 5k, but does it feel 10x better than a £500 watch ? . Absolutely not , I have a seiko that cost 4k , its nicer than the 1k one , yes but not really 4x nicer. Its subjective , but value for money , lies in the cheaper watches imo .
Care to compare this to a Lange & Sohnne Odysseus, or a Laurent Ferrier Sport Auto, or a Czapek Antarctique? I'd say the VC is not quite as "bespoke" as this tier of luxury.
Kinda dumb to rebuy it. Buying it again because it is hyped now is downright shallow.
or simply sellers remorse
It's not hyped.
1:23
Hey Bruce, it is a beautiful watch, but at that price it still doesn't hack. This means it will never be accurate. 😮
Thank you for this video, very helpful. I'm a professional photographer and I'm looking for a luxury robust chronograph. With hands on this VC Overseas, do you think the chronograph model is really a $20k better watch than a Rolex Daytona? My Rolex AD quoted me 4 to 5 mouths for a steel black dial Daytona. Should I wait or just go for the Overseas in your expert opinion. Cheers
So… Have you got your Daytona from your AD 😂
@@TheRON0417 Yeah a few weeks ago, was able to get it when I picked up my new Explorer 40. Glad I went with the Daytona instead of the Overseas.
You replaced a Vacheron for a Sky Dweller? 🤯
Great video, thanks. I bought this watch in 2019. will never sell it. Why? Well, It is a masterpiece.
hype, not masterpiece, the price dropped 60%
@@JOHNNYSD-43 price has dropped? MSRP increase since 2019 : 35% !
@@atreidis3946 There is no more fool than the one who does not want to see
I can't believe I actually read this title and thought "oh, he's travelling abroad to buy a new watch..." D'Oh!
If you made money on selling it you did the right thing imho. And it's your watch so do as you wish Bruce. Whether a watch is "worth it" has to be a personal decision. What something is worth is subjective when it comes to buying it, and the price is the price. I'm not sure they're worth the money, but most watches aren't either but we know that going in to this crazy pointless hobby of watch collecting/buying. I'm on the fence with the 4500v, saw one last week, black dial. I dont really like the bracelet but the watch still draws me in. I should've tried the black dial on and that would've answered the question. I tried a PP 5167 Aquanaut, I wasnt impressed with it. It was nice dont get me wrong but didn't make my heart skip a beat. Nor did the 5226 I also tried on (no deployment strap for 34k??) . But each to their own. Whats your thoughts on the Parmigiani Tonda PF Sport (2024 version) a black dial version would be insane and if it was 39mm. Personally I think a match for the aquanaut in terms of build quality, styling is a personal opinion.
I agree with the jump from $500 to $5000, the differences are apparent. My first luxury watch was the Omega Speedmaster 1863 sapphire sandwich. I admired greatly the difference in movement finish, overall feel, and presentation. The best finished watch I've owned was the GO SeaQ big date. And yes it is on another level, but if I'm honest, to me, it's not double the price level. IMO, $5k or 6k to $12k the differences are not apparant and one really needs to know a little something about watchmaking to spot them.
1921 ! Amazing touring watch 100% agree
Just because it’s a heritage high horology brand does not mean the exact piece is a high horology and the reason is what complication does it have nothing of haute horology
The Day Date upgrade was a great move Bruce.
Its a beautiful watch but the non hacking movement is a total deal killer
The date only overseas is worth keeping
Dress watches baby!!! The absolute way to go!
Look at you Mr. Fancy Pants!
I have the 5500V with the blue dial, I will never sell it.
beautiful
Hi Bruce, did you miss your Hulk ?
Take care.
Just wait and buy a second hand prx for integrated hype! And save money for a second hand VC classic.
In few monthes everybody will have an integrated bracelet fatigue. For any steel sports, rolex is the one to go for (since decades).
A non-hacking movement for nearly £25k! 😂 You've got to be sh*tting me!
I ADORE this dream watch - utterly gorgeous - but really?
Looks nice but too big for me. Wish they made it in a 38mm. Why do companies keep avoiding 38mm? It's like 37mm, 39mm, then 41mm. I have a 38mm Aqua Terra and it's perfect size. I had the Royal Oak 37mm then sold it because it was too small. The 41mm Royal Oak is too big for me. They make the RO Chronograph in a 38mm, but I don't like it as a Chronograph. For right now, I'm sticking to Omega AT 38mm and Planet Ocean 39.5mm until AP and VC makes more models in 38mm.
Hmmm you will trading it in for the new 4520V
so many other options at the same price after vc inflated the prices ， hype is basically over
Honestly, I'm still having a hard time really seeing where my money is going on watches over $5k. I have a much easier time seeing it in cars. There is a very noticeable difference between a $50,000 and $100,000 car. Watches..... I'm still looking.
Same issue with Rolex watches: no AR!
My new 41 sub has anti reflective coating.
Why does this watch use 37 jewels in the movement? It's just a simple 3 hand watch with a date complication.
You should buy a Tissot prx and save your money 😤
I completely understand why you flipped the Overseas. It’s what you do.
Overseas watch is very shiny and wears like a jewelry. This is not my taste as I prefer more artistic feeling and have fun. I am not a watch investor.
It’s really more casual on the rubber strap
The 7900v is the one to own. Not close.
Oh God, it begins. Next a Sky Dweller? Or did you keep that.
"The fun of it" and meandering down that river...100% a great way to enjoy this silly hobby
You sold it for a reason remember that
Into vintage watches?? 😮 😊
I think you just don’t like GADA watches so should stop buying them. GADA watches are great if you are a one watch guy (like me), or small collection. If you like rotating your collection, they don’t really work, as you pick a more specific watch for purpose (dress watch formal, dive watch or GMT casual, etc). Overseas and day date are GADA watches and will never feel right for you.
The problem is he’s more passionate about showing his journey of watches in youtube than actually experiencing a watch!! He’s a flipper and not an actual watch collector!
What you're saying there is what I've been thinking lately. Recently I bought a Hublot classic Fusion titanium and King gold. And I also recently bought a Glashutte Original Senator Panorama Moon Date. They both cost about the same. And I love them both dearly. NOw the watch Community praised me for buying the GO but mocked me for buying the Hublot. The fact is that I love both of them for different reasons and I assigned the same value to both of them although I value different things about both of them. And what I'm realizing is that a luxury watch is only worth the value you put into it as an individual. All that other talk about value for the money is utter nonsense unless you buy the watch with the intention of selling it.
You silly git :-)
my negative point on this watch would be the date
Total Grail watch!
Nope
A layman will mistake this watch for a $3k watch. Thats the problem with this watch.
It is far better than the Gold Rolex Bruce....
Honestly, I don’t get the hype. Had one on my wrist at an AD before people started peeing their pants over them. Massively underwhelming and the bracelet was awful. Anyways, each to their own.
Patek is the next step, the overseas is like the GP. Laureato, they are falling down because all was hype
GP never had horology legacy name like VC. VC however never had followings like PP and AP either.
@@Syhbw GP VC is legendary, but not independent as Patek, that’s why they are not at same level. VC overseas is just hype falling down
Did this guy just compare VC to GP? You are totally clueless
@@JOHNNYSD-43 GP never had a presence in say Rodeo Dr or design district in Miami. GP was seldom thought of as a luxury brand. VC is considered by some as one of holy trinity but not GP.
Overseas hype had died down some for sure though. Most don't trade above MSRP except blue dials. GP Laureatos plenty of them for sale in their authorized retailers. Not so easy to get Overseas right out of display cases.
@@ifjfgvjfidifijf both are haute horlogerie clown
look too plain and boring