Just found this video, - I've watched maybe 100 setup videos for planes. Your's is the first that pointed out what has troubled me many times. I have 4 or5 planes that I will now check. Thank You for I have learned.
I am so happy to find this explanation. I have 2 planes (Stanley 4 and 5) that I bought on ebay. One does a fair job, the other I only get chips, and it constantly clogs. I sharpened the irons and checked for light between the chip breaker and iron, and adjusted per other videos, but it didn't work. I'm going to check this now that I know about it. As another commenter said, I never knew the tip you gave about tightening the two frog screws a little at a time. Thanks.
I was struggling with my low-end hand plane. The frog would always side out of alignment, pushing the iron sideways. Learnt to set it up the hard way - did exactly the same steps to progressively tighten frogs 2 screws. I think it’s working. Thanks for the video. Helpful
Thanks for producing this informative video! It should help a lot of folks. I had to hone some "shaky" frogs myself to get them flush with the body. "Keep on 'plane-ing'!"
Thank you!!!! I would say flushing the frog is probably my least fave thing to do on a plane lol next to that is flattening the sole but i would rather do that than flush the frog hahaha
Something else I've seen in the Bailey pattern planes is that the frog adjustment clip (it rides in the groove of the frog adjustment screw to adjust the frog) can contribute to the frog being askew. There is a screw that attaches it to the frog. If the procedure described still does not square the frog, loosen the clip screw and try the procedure again. It will swivel a fraction of an inch. Once you have the frog square, tighten the clip screw. You should only have to do this once. I fought with a couple of Baileys before I figured this out a couple of years ago.
I discovered you (your vids) about three days ago. I have watched a couple of your creations and I am so glad I did. You do fill a lot of gaps that are even missing from the manufacturers booklets. Keep it up...I really appreciate your work.
This was very informative, thanks for taking time to share your knowledge! I’m working on cleaning up a Stanley No.5 Type 11 I purchased recently and this is very helpful.
Good tips and your right no one mentions this. I might add that you want iron sharpened square, but it is a good idea to square chip breaker too. One other thing is mouths can become uneven, so it doesn't hurt to dress mouth by checking square from side and file to correct. Super tuned.
Too true that nobody else talks about this. I'm sure this will solve the problem I've been having. Many thanks and hopefully this gets a lot more views.
Thanks for this video. I have a pre-war #5 corrugated sole S/B that I really like. But, I had to skew the lateral far to one side to get the iron square. I finally moved the frog and have been wondering if I did the right thing ever since. Thanks for affirming my actions.
The orientation of the frog doesn't matter much until or unless it's causing one side of the iron to bed on the casting ledge and the other to not. Once in a great while, you'll find a plane that the machining is off a little and bedding the iron properly causes an uneven mouth opening. It's unsightly, but I guess it could be solved by filing the mismatch into the front so that it disappears visually.
Ya I have seen a few planes where the mouth wasn't machined correctly. Worst I saw was someone deff tried to file it and fix it and just make it look like a wave haha like they used a round file lol
The planes from around the sweetheart period have a center guide behind the mouth the is precisely machined to align the frog. More recent makes and in planes made by other makers there's more slop, but aligning the frog is not difficult. The Bailey design is very forgiving.
It is common for vintage irins to be out of square, unfortunatly. Most of the time back then they free hand sharpened everything. It is hard to tell without seeing pictures but I can't say that I have seen a frog with a plate between the frog and the frog bed. REED Planes does make a modern plate to increase the angle of the frog. Is this flate angled? If so it would make the cutting angle higher which is better for tougher grain
It looks like you have a type 14. The type 13 has no ring below the front knob and one patent date behind the frog. It looks like yours has the ring under the front knob, which makes it a type 14. Hope that helps.
@Bat Cave Creations the machining on the sides are there. Easy workaround though. I just twist the frog clockwise before snugging up the screws. I also recently chambered the the blade so it's less of an issue.
Maybe because if you say screw the handle on...all know what Position is right or Not...Same for the frog. But, hey you never know what Others know... so Talk to much cant hurt ;-) Keep going and Happy x-mas Greatz from Germany opo
I am finding a lot of new woodworkers that didn't even know to look at the "squareness" of the frog. I deff didn't when I started, caused me alot of angry days hahah I hope you had a great Christmas!
Just found this video, - I've watched maybe 100 setup videos for planes. Your's is the first that pointed out what has troubled me many times. I have 4 or5 planes that I will now check. Thank You for I have learned.
Thank you!! I am happy it helped!!
I am so happy to find this explanation. I have 2 planes (Stanley 4 and 5) that I bought on ebay. One does a fair job, the other I only get chips, and it constantly clogs. I sharpened the irons and checked for light between the chip breaker and iron, and adjusted per other videos, but it didn't work. I'm going to check this now that I know about it. As another commenter said, I never knew the tip you gave about tightening the two frog screws a little at a time. Thanks.
Thank you! I hope it helps!!
Yes! Thank you for posting this! I didn’t realize that I may have been skewing due to uneven tightening.
I am happy it helped!!! I made this error alot till it dawned on me hahaha
I was struggling with my low-end hand plane. The frog would always side out of alignment, pushing the iron sideways.
Learnt to set it up the hard way - did exactly the same steps to progressively tighten frogs 2 screws. I think it’s working.
Thanks for the video. Helpful
Thank you!! I am happy it helped!!
Thanks for producing this informative video! It should help a lot of folks. I had to hone some "shaky" frogs myself to get them flush with the body. "Keep on 'plane-ing'!"
Thank you!!!! I would say flushing the frog is probably my least fave thing to do on a plane lol next to that is flattening the sole but i would rather do that than flush the frog hahaha
Something else I've seen in the Bailey pattern planes is that the frog adjustment clip (it rides in the groove of the frog adjustment screw to adjust the frog) can contribute to the frog being askew. There is a screw that attaches it to the frog. If the procedure described still does not square the frog, loosen the clip screw and try the procedure again. It will swivel a fraction of an inch. Once you have the frog square, tighten the clip screw. You should only have to do this once. I fought with a couple of Baileys before I figured this out a couple of years ago.
Great note! Thank you Gary!
I discovered you (your vids) about three days ago. I have watched a couple of your creations and I am so glad I did. You do fill a lot of gaps that are even missing from the manufacturers booklets. Keep it up...I really appreciate your work.
Thank you!!! That is great to hear!
Great video, you are right, no one else mentions this.
This was very informative, thanks for taking time to share your knowledge! I’m working on cleaning up a Stanley No.5 Type 11 I purchased recently and this is very helpful.
Good! I am happy it helped!!! I LOVE type 11s! You got a good one there!
Good tips and your right no one mentions this. I might add that you want iron sharpened square, but it is a good idea to square chip breaker too. One other thing is mouths can become uneven, so it doesn't hurt to dress mouth by checking square from side and file to correct. Super tuned.
Great additions! Thank you!
Too true that nobody else talks about this. I'm sure this will solve the problem I've been having. Many thanks and hopefully this gets a lot more views.
Happy to help! Let me know if you run into any issues!
Great advice. I square my frog, but snug one screw then the other. I'll try it your way.
Thanks for this video. I have a pre-war #5 corrugated sole S/B that I really like. But, I had to skew the lateral far to one side to get the iron square. I finally moved the frog and have been wondering if I did the right thing ever since. Thanks for affirming my actions.
Good job buddy!
Excellent video
Thanks
Kia Ora & Good Evening from Auckland, New Zealand …great video bro …
Thanks, very useful. My plane suffers from a blade tilt and i will check the frogg now
My no. 7 type 6-7 doesn’t have a frog adjustment screw, so I appreciate the help!
Happy it helped! I like the older types! You got a good one!
Thanks Jamie.
My pleasure!
I need to flatten the sole on an old Stanley. Would love a video with tips. Thanks!!
Flattening the sole is almost always unnecessary. If it takes a fine shaving, it's flat enough.
The orientation of the frog doesn't matter much until or unless it's causing one side of the iron to bed on the casting ledge and the other to not. Once in a great while, you'll find a plane that the machining is off a little and bedding the iron properly causes an uneven mouth opening. It's unsightly, but I guess it could be solved by filing the mismatch into the front so that it disappears visually.
Ya I have seen a few planes where the mouth wasn't machined correctly. Worst I saw was someone deff tried to file it and fix it and just make it look like a wave haha like they used a round file lol
I use a combination square on the side and underneath side of plane. It come out perfect.
Ooh that is smart too! Thank you!!!
The planes from around the sweetheart period have a center guide behind the mouth the is precisely machined to align the frog. More recent makes and in planes made by other makers there's more slop, but aligning the frog is not difficult. The Bailey design is very forgiving.
I have have a #4 and has no frog adjustment on the back. the plane iron slanted virtualy. It also has thin plat under the frog, is that common?
It is common for vintage irins to be out of square, unfortunatly. Most of the time back then they free hand sharpened everything.
It is hard to tell without seeing pictures but I can't say that I have seen a frog with a plate between the frog and the frog bed. REED Planes does make a modern plate to increase the angle of the frog. Is this flate angled? If so it would make the cutting angle higher which is better for tougher grain
The main reason you have not seen this is most newbies don't bother. Older guys make a note of this issue.
It looks like you have a type 14. The type 13 has no ring below the front knob and one patent date behind the frog. It looks like yours has the ring under the front knob, which makes it a type 14. Hope that helps.
Thank you! Couldn't remember while I was recording haha
I have a woodriver #6 that I need to square up the frog on even though it's a bedrock pattern plane.
Dang :/ that's stinks I didn't realize they had that much play! Doe they have the lines machined on the sides?
@Bat Cave Creations the machining on the sides are there. Easy workaround though. I just twist the frog clockwise before snugging up the screws. I also recently chambered the the blade so it's less of an issue.
That's good then!! Cambers deff help for that too!
Maybe because if you say screw the handle on...all know what Position is right or Not...Same for the frog.
But, hey you never know what Others know... so Talk to much cant hurt ;-)
Keep going and Happy x-mas
Greatz from Germany
opo
I am finding a lot of new woodworkers that didn't even know to look at the "squareness" of the frog. I deff didn't when I started, caused me alot of angry days hahah
I hope you had a great Christmas!
Thus the lateral adjustment lever was created to square the blade relative to the planing surface of the sole. Better than the fine adjustment tool.
easy!it doesn't teally crop up in conversation.most people are talking about girls,money,life and global warming!
HAHAHAH fair!!!
@@BatCaveCreations good man!good man!you sound very astute indeed!