How good is a REALLY expensive plane?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Does the Bridge City Dual-Angle Bench Plane live up to the hype?
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0:00 Intro
1:47 The sales pitch
3:12 First tries
5:31 Checking the sole
7:03 Further testing
7:58 Sharpening
10:23 Thoughts
13:23 Outro 
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Thank you Rex and shoutout to Brian for making this possible.
To be honest - I was done with the idea of that plane when the sole turned out to be hollow. That is unforgivable, there is no sugarcoating this.
Yeah thats pretty aweful. I think a lot of engineers my age grow up thinking that 'cnc machined flat' is the gold standard of flatness and unless you are building a telescope mirror or something its good enough for anything. The reality is when you hog out a big piece of metal like that you are going to release all kinds of internal stresses from the billet and more or less all bets are off when it comes out of the cnc machine; just for that reason alone. Not actually taking the effort to grind flat a plane at this price point is ridiculous. As is that angular piece of metal they call a handle...
@@eelcohoogendoorn8044 The problem in this case is quality control or refusing to spend the money. You can machine things flat instead of hand lapping them. That's literally what surface grinders do. Look up how CPU coolers and water-blocks are made. Those are precision flat surfaces and are made via CNC!
Don't blame the tech when the problem is they outsourced to China. Even that's okay, but you'll find the expensive companies that do that have a QC location everything goes through in another country.
Agree. They need to add a lapping step prior to final assembly. It should have been flat.
How do you know that the cast iron table top was flat? If you lap a straight tool against a concave surface, it may make the tool look out when it is not.
@@AlbertaHome88 I do not think that the rule and light test was lying...
Bridge City's reputation was built when they were made in Portland to the founders exacting standards, but they sold the company and I've been hearing things like what you're saying here, that the quality is falling off. Which is weird because Harvey (the Chinese company that bought out BC) has an excellent rep in the industrial tools market. All the same, I felt like it was telling that Lee Valley unceremoniously dropped them like a bad habit last year and wondered if it was the canary in the coal mine.
Interesting. Even as high quality it just seems so over the top as to be a waste.
I bought a Bridge City HP-8 mini block plane and thought it was pretty cool how the tolerances were tight enough the iron wouldn't need any room for lateral adjustment, except it did need to be adjusted laterally because something was out of square just enough to make one corner of the iron protrude further than the other.
Regarding the packaging, I would have preferred either something fancy and small that I could store the plane in while not in use OR something modest so I could toss the box and keep the plane in my tool chest.
Rex, don't you know bridge city tools are not made for woodworking. You're supposed to put it on a prominent shelf in your den next to the 30 year old scotch.
😁@@FrankPace54 My 30 y/o Irish Whiskey stands besides the tumblers in the maxi-bar vitrine. I could bore three holes through the bridge-city space plane and fix it on that chest as a doorknob - would make a nice contrast to the 180 y/o (still original glass) cabinet I reckon .... coming from a place where planes are made from wood and my apprenticeship had "making planes for special uses" in it, I have no real use for a big iron lump calling itself "benchplane" anyway .... 😄 I do have iron- and modern planes of course, but the daily benchwork is still done with 30 to 60 y/o, well preloved (and often adorned) fleemarket- and garagesale-finds I restored to my own spec ...
@@FrankPace54 To be clear: you get the best performance when it's a minimum of one shelf above the Festool collection, and you minimize its contact with any of the lesser metals. As a general rule, it will deign to contact gold, platinum, iridium, titanium, and tungsten without issue. Silver, too, but only sterling. And for gods sake, don't give it access to uranium, or plutonium (it'll cut like a dream for time shortly afterwards, but by shifts end the metal will be gone and _nobody knows where to.)_
Even the high dollar luthiers I follow, with shops that look like an advertisement for veritas don't have any of those things.
But with the price of hardwoods now?
Ok...no shade thrown anywhere at all here, but...I think Brian is just gonna be super happy because he has this amazing new tool that he didn't have to do any setup on! For him, it WILL BE good right out of the box!
Plane socks come in handy where I live, we have high humidity often and everyting tarnishes or gets some fine rust easily. Plane socks just keep the plane looking nice. Handy for where I am, probably useless to most I guess....
Are they impregnated with oil or silicone? If not…, then they will only attract moisture.
Sometimes you get what you paid for...and sometimes, apparently, you don't. I am astounded at how out-of-flat that sole was. But an interesting video, Rex. Thanks for sharing.
yeah might as well buy a $40 plane.
this is the case for so many things, nowadays. heck, even clothes. I want to buy a nice pair of pants and I know that they're going to be expensive... so I pay $40 for some jeans and they immediately start balling in my thighs.
"buying a cheap tool means you're going to buy another one" or "buy a good tool once" just aren't tenable goals. you Need to buy second-hand stuff.
Sadly, there's a limited supply of old things and an increasing amount of people.
So I guess that if you need to buy new, it might just be worth it to buy cheap crap, knowing you're going to throw it away. At least, get it for the project and factor it into the cost.
@@Klaevin Yeah, capitalism has sucked everything down to the lowest feasible quality it could be. But hey, at least the investors are happy..
@@trulsdirio well, I'm not allowed to say that, or I might get downvoted to hell. so it's definitely the liberals and their communist agenda that are sending all the manufacturing jobs to China in order to destroy [insert current country] from the inside :D
but seriously, I try to avoid saying it is such obvious terms because people tend to think that "politics" is just red versus blue and their brains shut off when pointing out that Capitalism and the profit motive are the reason our world is turning to shit. We all have the same grievances, so you want to try getting people to agree with you about the symptoms in order to tell them about the problem
I broke down and got myself a Lie-Nielsen No. 4 - The base model with the cast iron body and cherry handles. It was only about half the cost of the Bridge City, and uses the familiar Stanley Bed Rock design, with refinements.
It's a beautiful tool and its performance makes me look like a better woodworker than I actually am. Still, you could do well with something like a Wood River for about half the cost of the Lie-Nielsen.
I was surprised the BC sole was so out of flat. That money they put into the packaging would have been better spent on better machining. My L-N was packed in a simple cardboard box with sheets of crumpled-up local Maine newspaper for cushioning.
Lee-Nielsen seems to still be an honest company making things as well as they know how from a factory in a part of Maine which really can use the work.
I got low cost planes off amazon- calista, taytools, spear&jackson. I tuned them up using your videos and sharpened them. Are the pro level? no. are they good enough for a everyday guy learning to make furniture. yep. I really dislike all these power woodworker guys with $80,000 of machinery telling me to make cheap things with wood scraps. I appreciate your low cost approach to LEARNING woodworking. The low roman bench is quite usable and versatile. Your book is great. I just ordered the GarrettWade bit brace with 3jaw chuck. Thanks for all you do Rex.
Rex, I agree, an expensive plane should be precision ground before it comes to the user. I have a cheap set of planes, when I lapped the base, they were flat as slate. I love your videos, I have learned a lot about sharpening blades, truing planes, and other aspects of woodworking.
"Let's build a new car, but with 5 wheels, and it has the driver sitting on top of it!"... -Innovation is hard, and the beauty of old school tech is, we KNOW that it works. I'm glad they try new things, but apart from the "snap lock" cap, I see little in that piece of iron. Thanks for showing us, though, and thanks to Brian (?) for letting you play with it! :)
...Elon? Is that you?
@@grumblycurmudgeon :D You gotta admit his cars do work! -And his rockets! His Hyperloop... not so much. But I agree some of his projects are a little off.
@@graydanerasmussen4071 So, let me say initially I was a huge fan of Musk's... about 8-9 years ago. But, see, there're these two kinds of cognitive bias - the Attentional Bias and the Confirmation Bias - that he somehow manages to wield like a scalpel not dissimilar to Trump.
The former - the Attentional Bias - occurs when one tends to pay attention to certain facts while ignoring others. The latter occurs when one actively seeks out (or is prone to paying attention only to) events that confirm their already-held beliefs.
Everyone has these, for different topics, and people, and, in my own case, when I discovered I had this selective blind spot for the guy, I forced myself to step back and really look.
Yeah. His cars work. But the laundry list of promises he made regarding them... well, how many 2018 Roadsters you see flying around? Or the trucks? Or the 2019 semis? Or "Full self-driving by 2016!"? Ridden in a 2020 robo-taxi yet? How about the battery pack swap? Supposedly can two in less than 3 minutes, remember?
Then there's SpaceX. Yeah: the rockets work. I'd argue this is his greatest accomplishment. Indeed, if he'd kept his act together and stayed focused on SpaceX and Tesla, I'm certain I'd still be fanboy. But I'm disinclined to think we'll be landing a Starship on Mars by 2024. You? Remember: the plan is a functioning colony by 2030.
And this is just brushing up alongside the VAST number of lies, exaggerations, and examples of taking credit for work not his own I can cite (BECAUSE I was such a fanboy at one time). I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's not a matter of if you'll eventually feel as I do. It's a matter of _when._
Sorry you had to find out this way.
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I know BCTW as a company that makes tools in a modern-art decoish design language that are mostly for collectors. I own several of their rosewood and brass tools from the Portland era. I was always impressed with trying a fresh take on classical tools, sometimes with clever execution - and sometimes really not. The thing I admire is also my biggest critique: new designs seem to be generated primarily by the imagination of the genius designer as opposed to being driven by practical problems professional woodworkers need to solve regularly, efficiently and reliably.
I appreciate that you pay for everything you review or have independence from the manufacturer.
For this level of money, I would order a Japanese plane hand-forged by a top-tier smith and wait a few years for delivery.
Thanks for the honesty on this one. I have a bunch of older BCTW marking/measuring tools, brass and rosewood, and had been eyeing this smoother. Think I'll save my nickels.
the water bottle with the small hole in the cap is a genius idea. I will steal that immediately
Agreed on all points. I have a full shop of Harvey power tools and LOVE them. However, The sister company, Bridge City Tools leave a bit to be desired. Squares are just "wood working" square, and I'd expect "machinist" square at BC Tools' price. I do have to agree about their 02 steel though. I used my mini block plane "out of the box" for weeks. It just kept delivering wispy shavings and quickly cutting chamfers. Only sharpened it to regrind blade so its edge would exit the mouth parallel to the sole. The adjuster couldn't compensate.
to be fair, a Lie Neilson 101 will do all of that out of the box as well, can be adjusted without regrinding the plane, is extremely comfortable to use (the 101 and 102 fit my hands so well that I hate to put them down), and has a lower retail price (looks like the HP8 is on sale now, at $79 it's probably not bad)
Andddd because it's currently $79 I just bought one. Am I a sucker? Probably. We'll see how it compares to the LNs.
@joewilson4436 what? $79? It's worth that as just wall art.
What i really like about the Bridge City plane is the presision planing guide for small parts. Thinking about adapting that one to one of my older planes...
I have this plane, and the rest of the Bridge City Tool line. I run an artisan furniture and boatbuilding shop, so it looks good when clients come in to see these work of art tools around. That being said, I never use them, I much prefer my lineup of Veritas planes.
I have a BC square and it's nice, it works like a square should. I have been interested in buying something else form them, but after seeing this review I'm having doubts.
Are there any tools of theirs that you can recommend or am I better off buying something from Starrett for squares or Veritas for planes?
You can’t go wrong with Starrett.
I have a set of starrett instruments from when I was an apprentice, now here 20 years later they're still the tools I reach for. I started out buying Lie Neilson planes, but switched to veritas because I love the PMV11 blades, and they're made in Canada. I'm also a bit of a tool collector though, so in addition to using them to make my living, I also seem to accumulate them as a hobby.@@dukkiegamer1733
You definitely pay for the quality with Starrett, but it's worth it every time (every time read as once)@@trackie1957
Rex, although I'm far more of a turner than a furniture maker, it is still fun to watch you talk about hand planes. I even bought an old Stanley just to restore.
Wishing you all the best.
Your feelings about this plane are the same as mine. First one had too much air under the straight edge on the sole, so I sent it back. Replacement one was identical. There was a noticeable dip in the sole where the handle attached. "Oh, don't 'fix' it because you will ruin the surface on the bottom." I might be able to get used to the lever action clamp that holds the blade in place, but it doesn't work like the other planes I have do. If the lever cap is too tight, it is difficult to advance/retract the blade and get the blade square to the sole. Maybe they want you to get it all lined up then tighten it. One you didn't mention was with my big hands, I can't keep my lower 2 fingers around the handle, because of the advance/retract knob for the plane blade rubs against my knuckles. I had thought of sending mine to you also, but never got "a round 2 it" (woodturner's joke....). I don't like the reversable blade for the same reasons you mentioned. I think the blade will fit into the Woodriver or Lee Nielson sharpening jigs. I did not get one of their sharpening jigs either. Also, I didn't get a plane sock..... I did buy it because I was curious and am one of those who have to experiment, just to see what happens. Bridge City, started in Portland OR. which is known as Bridge City some times, and I think the guy retired and sold the business, which is why they are now made in China. It was a move that was supposed to help reduce the cost, and I think they are a little less expensive than they used to be. It for sure is a 'boutique' type of tool, which means nice and shiny, but other tools can do the same job for far less money. I prefer best 'value' in tools. I looked for my second blade because I didn't remember getting one. I either lost it or they didn't send me one...
That was brutal......ly honest and I love that. I'm still rockin' my Defiance planes but love to play with new things from time to time. Local fellow let me try out his Veritas Low Angle Plane and it just didn't feel right to me, probably because I had never used a low angled plane aside from the Defiance block planes. I love your honest and true reviews and believe it or not, remember that one Chinese plane you reviewed a couple years back ??? I still have mine and still use it quite a bit and it was not expensive at all, think I've had happy meals that cost more !!! Thanks once again for your review and thanks to your friend for letting you do it !!!
The sock might be a good idea to protect the blade if you are really careless with your plane. And put it over your hand when letting the blade fall out of the plane before sharpening it!
mad respect for your expertise..i have rotten luck with planes, however can't help but enjoy your breakdown of this process of woodworking..thanks Rex!
My introduction to Bridge Tools was an estate sale. Short on funds, great woodshop and I couldn't afford anything. But a straight edge was for sale for 2 bucks, bridge city portland. I knew straight edges are expensive and I guessed 2 bucks was a good deal. 5 years later I looked up bridge city and decided I spent my money well.
Love the video! Very educational & enlightening. Keep it up
I've always thought that Bridge City makes sharp looking and innovative tools; but I'll dry shave my whole body with my old Harbor Freight scrub plane before I spend over $200 on Chinese made plane, much less one with that hard of a bow. I hope it's just a one off issue; but I'm sad to hear about it.
Great review, thanks for sharing
I just bought a #6 for $30. 1931-32. Rosewood totes. Runs like a champ.
I learned a lot from this channel about hand planing. Just did my first hand plane project ever, a wooden floor. Looks great. Just cheap old planes. Thank you.
Rex you were much nicer and more professional in your analysis than I would have been. Some of those issues are inexcusable for that price point. Great review and discussion. When you have planes that were as well built and popular as Stanley’s for decades I am not sure throwing out the entire design and starting over is a great idea or even necessary. Making subtle tweaks and improvement like Veritas or LN have done seems more prudent. Especially at half the price and made in North America.
Thank you for your honest review
Oh wow. Thanks for sharing this!
I think that sock is intended to be used for... other purposes... while admiring your pristine collection of Bridge City tools.
I’m sure you have said this before, but although it’s nice to have the sides of the plane square with the sole, that’s not what makes a square cut using a shooting board; it’s having the cutting edge square with the side that does it.
Amen Brother! As an old fine finish carpenter and custom furniture maker I have mostly old(er than me) Stanley and Bailey planes. The one expensive plane I have is a Veritas skew block plane which at $200+ is worth every penny. But truth to tell, the plane I keep in my tool belt and have used way more than any other even when doing fine work and would never give up is a simple and cheap 5 1/2 inch Stanley #102 block plane. The key is: Tune it and Maintain it.
Great objective review!
Rex, if you want a hand plane shaped like a rocket ship...go for the Miller's Falls Buck Rogers planes.
Great review sir. I always thought the BCT always looked sort of...gimmicky. And shipping them off to China just ensured that they'd be somewhat gimmicky and quality would slowly erode.
Speaking of...I'm excited for the restoration lesson. I have a full set of Miller's Falls made, Craftsman branded bench planes made in the late 1940s that I badly want to restore!
I have a Buck Rogers. And I LIKE Miller Falls. But... there's a good reason everyone settled on the Bailey design. Gimme a late teens Stanley, or a Lie Nelson or Veritas, every time.
Haha. I got one of these from an estate sale. It was in a box with Stanley's in various condition.
I restored most in the box.
I found out the Buck Rogers line is collectable to some folks. It's neat looking cleaned up, but certainly tougher on my hands than the Stanleys.
It's only a guarantee if you also outsource the quality control. Plenty of people get great manufacturing out of cheaper countries. They just have to keep demanding good results, or ship off some of their experts to continue to oversee the process.
@@blarghblargh part of the issue with the BCT's is they really are outrageously priced. I've seen a Stanley #1 (beat up, but still) go for the price of their Jack plane. They're 50% off as of a few days ago, which brings them "all the way down" to $375. If you've got any background in sourcing hand planes to restore, then you know you can get anywhere from 5-20 planes for that price. Yeah, they take some TLC, but all those vs ONE BCT is a TALL ask. For all the reasons Rex lists and more.
I’ll just live my woodworking hobby vicariously through your channel.
Wow, that's an eye opener, for sure. Personally I've looked at this plane and thought how cool it'd be just to have as a piece of "functional" art, not one I'd really use, but if the sole came that F'd up, it'd be shipped right back for a full refund, that is just unacceptable for what they charge for that thing. Thanks to your patron and you for doing this review, saved me a lot of $$ whenever it was that I actually had that amount of cash spare for something so, frivolous. This was just a would like to have, but was seriously considering some of there marking/measuring type tools, but not anymore after this.
That tool is drop dead gorgeous. 😍
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Nice! Thanks for this great review!
I just have to love the auto close captions saying that it costs $510,000 really is a space ship
A lot of great stuff in this video! I feel like that plane was designed by business people not woodworkers, and that’s a big problem with everything these days. Subject matter experts are left out of the planning and design and it shows.
Also China is super expensive for a lot of things these days, but that hasn’t really made its way into the zeitgeist yet. It’s not a cheap place to manufacture anymore. Mexico is making the Stanley Sweetheart planes, or at least assembling a lot of them. The Sweetheart planes are I think 1/4 of the cost of this one. Again super great video!
That is so cool. Thank you Brian for helping to make this video happen. Cheers Rex for sharing what you found. Way out of my budget for sure. Very interesting points. I am looking forward to the fabrication first thingy. I love my vintage planes. Sopwith Camels are my favourite. LOL. Oh maybe Spitfires really. Oh and Fairy Swordfish. This is too hard to choose. Guess I will settle for Stanley. LOL.
Enjoyed that, looking forward to a review of a Hotley....
I think you're spot on, @Rex.
Well said Rex!
I have never been a fan of expensive tool just because they are a little bit better than the standard faire. but it is cool to see the innovation that is going on out there, just goes to show you just how good the Stanley planes really are. They have stood the test of time not just years or even decades but for more than a century of testing but millions of wood workers. I get it there is room for improvement but it is a bit like re-inventing the wheel to make something that looks cooler.
That plane showed up as an advertisement in my Facebook feed regularly for over a year. My first impression was "that looks cool", but the more often I had to look at it, the worse I thought it had to be. Thanks for confirming!
You nailed that one. BC tools have always been more pretty than practical. I suspect you are right that the multi blade feature is for tinkerers, and also some guys will find the blade that works best for them and then dedicate it.
I don't agree that one doesn't need different pitches, though like you I have mostly the same pitch on my tools. But the real evidence is that high end work, during the great period was done with multiple pitches and different pitches (both different pitches for different woods, or for different tasks). However, once the pitchforks came out for the upper classes, toolmakers were able to turn their production to suit the needs of the masses. Tools like the Stanley plane arrived on the wrong side of the ocean, and too late in time to really be put to serious tests. I have a cousin who received honors, and she sent us pictures from the waiting room at the palace (yes a waiting room), and there was a large piece of furniture there that was completely covered in gold. We just don't see the sophistication in modern woodworking all that much. Think of how crude water tables are. We don't work fine veneers and create fancy details on furniture today. The tools are radically simplified. If I look at the great woodworkers I followed when I started: Krenov, Maloof Castle, Carpenter, and Nakashima, their execution was all pretty primitive, except for Castle in some of his innings. And after these guys the standards actually fell into long periods of Shaker, and Mission.
I have an even more whimsical theory. The Singer sewing machine company and Stanley, started business 8 years apart. So at some point thereafter, sewing machines were entering the home while men were still using clunky looking wooden planes adjusted with a hammer. Even to this day, there is nothing that I can think of being used in a wood shop, pre CNC that is as complex as a sewing machine. It so happens that wooden planes are better than metal ones, and even if one prefers to disagree they were available in a variety that has never been matched in metal. Yet the metal planes were easier to use, and I imagine just as in the 60s and 70s when everything seemed to be sold with the promise of "space age", guys were embarrassed at how primitive their tools were compared to sewing machines, and wanted to .have machine age tools also.
I literally look at their site last night o.O Brian is a legend for sending it to you :D thanks for sharing!
well done chikilli liked the tool...
Fantastic testing and review, Rex! Thanks! 😃
I absolutely agree with you there... They kinda overengineered it. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice video, I saw one of these for sale in New Zealand not that long ago and thought it was pretty strange looking.
How is it that apparently nobody making woodworking hand tools has heard of a surface grinder? This is 1890s tech! 😣
apparently, with regular cast iron plane bodies, the bodies will continue to shrink and move several months after casting. If they grind them hot out of the casting, the will bow up later. this thing tho was MILLED, so I dont know how they got a cup in that.
Great review and makes a very good point about diminishing returns. I'm a daily bedrock plane user and that's good enough for me
Superb review. My jackplane is the low angle Veritas, and I love it. I've eyed out the Bridge City before, because some of its features are pretty cool. But the Veritas is a great plane. Would have been nice to have some tapped holes on the sides of it for accessories, like depth gauges and such. But I couldn't have asked for a better plane otherwise. It's absolutely crazy to be that you had to lap the Bridge City plane's sole. You'd expect that from an old used plane.
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I seem to recall Matt Vanderlist (formerly of Wood Talk fame) got a Veritas plane and tried to "tune it in" by lapping it incorrectly, resulting in what he later called the "banana plane." He talked to the Lee Valley folks and they told him that if the plane was out of flat from the factory, it's a defect and he should have sent it back. It'd be interesting to see if BCT makes that same sort of guarantee.
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Dear Rex Krouger
I have watched a majority of your videos and they have been useful but my biggest problem is actually work flow so I would like to see a project made that goes into how you set up each step in the process and what tools to use and how best to organize later.
I have 2 Stanley low angle planes. I don't know how you were unaware of them. Great channel by the way👍
I like putting an vertias A2 blades in a vintage stanley. Works great!
I'm a high end tool junkie, and have a few BC tools, and haven't been that impressed for what I paid. I haven't tried their planes, but everything else has just been meh with the exception of their packaging...LOL! I do have the sharpening jig you mentioned, and have serviced it several times with help from customer service. It aspires to be the Veritas guide (which I also use) at twice the cost with a little bar to help you ensure the blade edge is square. Totally not worth it. From a collectibles perspective, you can probably drop $750 on a BC tool, and someone 10 years from now will buy it for $750. Sell that plane now and buy 10 users.
The sock is rust protection.
I have a lot of Bridge City tools, including a Jointmaker Pro v2 (which I haven't worked out yet, lol) but the most recent are not accurate at all. I have a large Try square that is out by around 5 degrees. I still have items I bought over a year ago, but haven't opened due to moving house and traveling. I'm dreading what I'm going to find with the other stuff when I unpack and open them.
I recently bought a Woodriver plane and enjoyed it so much I bought several others. I enjoy them so much over the cheaper planes Ive owned in the past that I even catch myself giggling while I use them!
I have a wood river no 5 and I barely use it (although I used it today!). I find it unnecessarily heavy, and a grind to use over long periods (and I'm fairly strong!). The lighter Stanley versions I just find much better to use. As long as they're sharp, the weight is perfect. I'm waiting on a new (old) number five wooden plane from eBay that I'll be fixing up and I'll likely sell the wood river.
I should add, though, that the wood river is excellently made, to very tight tolerances and feels nice in the hand and looks good too. It's just the weight thing for me. I don't understand it.
fair review
WOW! The gift of a brand new $750 plane even though it's just on loan is amazing. Your review of the tool was superb. 👍👍I too admire Bridge City tools, although they are mostly out of my price range. But I cannot imagine their logic in producing this plane. The design flaws you pointed out are enormous. How the design ever got into production is beyond me. And to top it all off the tool wasn't even capable of performing it intended function without over and hour of work by you. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I heard it's a Homer Simpson design.....
I'm guessing it was designed by an engineer who just uses planes to lightly tidy up after using all his fancy machine tools. Which is fine, I guess.
Most of my Stanleys came from a recycling shop at a rubbish dump. They are all excellent except a corrugated bottom no. 6 which might need to go back to the rubbish dump. It is fine on wide boards but on edges it can 'fall off' and bevel the edge for you.
That guy paid almost $1,000 for a plane, just so he could send it to you to fix it for free before he ever even touched it. Smart guy. You got to play with $1,000 plane for the price of the effort it took to fix it. He got to take his $1,000 plane out of the box and know for certain it was good to go. Besides that blade deal.
Hi Rex, greetings from the UK, great review, thank you, think I'll stick with my good old Stanley collection, tho must admit I do like the look of the Bridge city stuff, thanks again and keep 'em coming
Very good test and presentation. I'll never be in a position to shell out for premium tools and almost all of my edge tools, including planes are vitange that I restored to use. Thanks again.
Rex you are the voice of reason, Stanley or Record are the ones for all proper woodworkers, the fads and fancy's of all others are just affectations. Continue to keep us all on the straight and narrow Rex.
I would love to see your views on wood river planes, from what I understand they are based on the Stanley bedrock planes but made with modern materials and milled to a finer tolerance. They still need a bit of work out of the box but I feel that’s the same with any plane. We are always going to lap them and sharpen the irons to make sure they are perfect. I also feel the price point is good for someone who is looking to upgrade but it’s not out of the danger of normal wood workers.
I've got one. Works like a Stanley, pretty much. It doesn't feel as nice, but I suspect that's mostly the weight - it's a bit heavier that a standard #4.
What surprised me was the corrosion. Pretty much all my tools are either vintage or modern corrosion-resistant steel. I wasn't able to go to my shop for a few months (the coldest and wettest months around here) and when I did I found rust spots on the Wood River. They sanded right off and were on the side of the tool so it wasn't a big deal, but pretty much all my tools have a nice black patina on them so I didn't realize I'd need to take steps to protect the new plane. I rub it down with floor wax from time to time and it seems to do the trick.
Thanks for the video Rex. I’m pretty new to woodworking and have been collecting tools as I need them but haven’t ventured into a plane yet. It’s really confusing at this point because the price differences can be huge. I was not expecting this from an expensive tool. Not being flat? They had one job lol. In all fairness, I would guess that most don’t sharpen blades like you do so can’t say that would be issue for most. Again, thanks for the video.
I have one of these, and the block plane too. I think they are more collectors pieces than anything else. The block plane sits on my desk, next to my lie Nielsen #1 and white bronze #2. For now, I like them where they are. I have other nice planes that I actually use, and a few older ones I am working on restoring.
Excellent, thanks Rex, and I always thought the LN were expensive, guess I'll be sticking to my old Stanleys & Records.
It doesn't stop you from wanting to have one though, It's like a Michell Gyrodec !
Being a woodworking hobbyist, my first hand planes were from harbor freight years ago. I had nothing to gage how a plane should work or how to use it, set it up, etc so I let them sit out of frustration. A couple of years ago I bit the bullet and bought the veritas low angle set and was shocked at how well they worked....I would have bought a "vintage Stanley" but I've never seen one, let alone for $30-40.
Great review Rex! I am gob smacked at the flatness of the sole. Has anyone from bridge city seen this?
The moment you said the blade was sharpened on both ends I nearly spat my coffee everywhere... Who the hell wants to stand over their whetstone with a blade pointing towards them!!
Wow, I had expected more from Bridge City. Thank Brian. If I bought a plane that was delivered to you, I would have returned it. Rex did a great JOB getting it flat. I like Lie-Nielsen. They took the old Stanley’s and improved them. They are made in USA.
Keep the edge guard on it with some tape.
The double edge works great as you don't have to stop, remove, sharpen, re-install then keep working. Just flip the thing over and go back to work and fix the damage later.
Just a little too critical in review, in my opinion.
I agree on the handle, so make an insert of wood with some "swell" to it. (shouldn't have to, but.......)
If you work in the field, temp changes cause condensation on iron tools like planes. The sock keeps the rust off... doesn't really matter in the shop.
Because of this review I went out and bought the plane. I hope to get it soon.
Just came into ownership of a Stanly compass plane, or circle plane depending on where you are. Neat kit, you should look into it.
Thanks for the review. That iron would have had a nice layer or two of masking tape to keep that cover on the other edge if I had to sharpen it.
Some Gorilla tape over a layer of blue painter’s tape to keep the Gorilla adhesive from gumming up the blade.
I e got an old nr 6 from stanley( about 100 dollars) and got some very nice irons to fit it, 1 normaal , 1 toothed and 1 with a back angle to create a high angle plane. Might not be a veritas but it does everything i need and its used many times per day in my shop.
Great review. Have you every reviewed a Taylor Tool works planes?
Actually, those depth stops are perfect for making chair back slats and stuff like that. However, I’m not paying $750 for that trick. I have a slat making jig that works very well with my 100+ year old pre-war Stanley. Though, like you I am intrigued by it.
They’re pretty tools. The guides are fancy. I too like wood handles. All great points. Thanks Rex!
The guides are fancy and seem like they would be useful, but in reality it's really not that hard to make a thin piece thicknessing jig that will accomplish the exact same thing.
Thank you for the honest and thorough review. Often when people say: "You get what you pay for", I respond: "not always, sometimes you just overpaid." Bridge City is a fancy name on fancy designs being banging out in China to maximize profits. There is absolutely no reason to spend $500 or more for any hand tool from China.
Great review. Many of the design/manufacturing decisions you commented on always need to be front and center for every design. Every design (furniture or tools) is best started with laying out the goals of the design. When done look back and be critical, did I achieve my goals?
Hudge kudos to Brian for making this video happen. I was really surprised by the issues, but they can really sharpen a blade!
Well, of COURSE you've never thought about a plane Inna sock - you've never played with a $1,000. plane before this!
Not true! I've used planes that cost much more than this, but not on camera.
See the thing here was the plane was $1-200. That sock was the expensive part
@@RexKruegernot even on your only fans channel?
And he uses his planes, so they'll get banged up anyway. This one is not made to be used, silly Rex!
Just to share, I noticed the Lie Nielsen low angle plane has a sole that's tuned like a Japanese plane. It has a concave sole with low points at the end and just in front/behind the cutting edge! This puts more pressure on the wood just in front of the cutting edge. Interestingly enough, this is not mentioned anywhere on their website.
Of course, the hollow on your sample is clearly undesirable and the cutting performance tells the story.
Thanks for another great video!
I bought one with my first covid check, back in 2020. It's completely different from antique or budget planes. I've never put my hands on a new, high-quality plane with a traditional design, so I don't have a reference point for that.
At a thrift store, I bought an old sears dunlap smoothing plane in the original box (wax paper an everything) for $15. Never been used. That and my block plane do about everything I need. Would love to have a fancy one, but don't need one.
The least they could've done is include both socks so you have a pair of socks instead of a single one you have to throw away
Hey, Rex. I just acquired a Stanley 51/52 shooting plane and board combo.....In my opinion even more rare than the #1. It is 100% complete, in FANTASTIC condition and it is VIRGIN! That's right. It has NEVER been used. There are zero scratches or tool marks. And it was a literal "barn find". I found it in a steamer trunk in an old barn nearby where I live in Michigan. Any interest in doing a review/history report on it? It's very fragile and very heavy so I am hesitant to mail it. If I remember correctly you're located in Ohio? I'm about an hour north of Detroit. If you're interested perhaps I could drive down there and we could meet halfway or something.
I don't have this plane, but I do own the HP-8 and HP-9 block planes, and they are very handy tools. Bit odd saying that, as I'm quite the cork-sniffing Lie-Nielsen type, typically, but it can't be denied; there are tasks at which they are absolutely the best tool for the job. It's the skates, really -- for example, precision thicknessing of Kumiko strips, wonderful tools, really enhances both the end result and the enjoyment of getting there.
Thank you very much, Rex! Finally, someone has dispelled the illusions and fairy tales around this plane!
You might want to put less downward pressure when lapping. You kinda just want it to float forward and backward without your body weight as force causing any flex