Hopefully not responsible for the v1 mega superdeluxe tune. Thing was notoriously overdamped to the point with a shock change it was like a whole new bike according to all riders.
@@jessehill3780 lol yeah, I still have my V1 completely refreshed and waiting for a buyer. I completely agree on the stiffness of the V1... my DHX2 definitely helped in that regard, but that was a painful bike to get along with for a little while there.
@@PJJ205mtb I never actually rode one but was aware of so many comments and reviews talking about having to push past the rough spot (basically have to hit everything at Mach 10 to get it to activate). Then like the very last year of the v1 they put on the x2 and same mags reviewed it and we’re blown away by the bike and how different it was. It was like duh, anyone who did a tractive tune could have told you that thing was way way off. Surprising how far off they got that one.
After watching this video I think Kieran is a fantastic engineer I will always buy a Santa Cruz bike because the engineering especially the VPP suspension technology is the best plus Santa Cruz have the best website ever when it comes to torque specs and exploded diagrams as well
I raced with Kiran back in the day at Northstar, I remember him letting me check out his V10.4. Since then I have owned nothing but Santa Cruz, I'm on my 4th and cant wait to see what he makes out of the V10.8!
Love the exchange with engineering. I did halfway expect some mention of the CAD "Digital Twin", but I guess this is the target audience for the video.
Just upgraded my 7 yr old Bronson 2 with a second hand Fox X2. Kiran’s inspired me to start tinkering to find the perfect setup for my ride style 🤓👌 Cheers Kiran! (Also super sick you’re also into RC!)
from my past all bikes - Vp free from 2004 my favorite! This is the perfect bike. Rear travel 215. But I can go 85-100 km without problems, when friends on hardtails pant from behind. I can go enduro, DH, СС, - it's all-purpose! ideal geo!) Haven`t money for try new models, but my oldschool is perfect!!!
id love to hear his opinion on alternative drivetrain options especially regarding the influence of chain-movement on the rear-end characteristics/performance
@@DrudgeAudio well yeah and no. i shouldve made more clear what i meant by chain-influences. you can distinct to different ways the chain influences the suspension performance. first: the obvious pedal kickback story, that is fairly easy to manage using idlers and appropriate geometry. however in some cases (such as santacruz bikes for example) a certain amount of pedal-kickback is desired. second: the intertia induced slapping around of the lower part of the chain in conjunction with the cake of the derallieur (and its clutch). this has several effects. it will also induce a moment on the chainring and thus can also feel like pedal-kickback. on the rear end it the tension-forces will negatively effect the way the suspension moves. as the chain and the derallieur are really heavy parts of the rear end they essentially act as another sprung weight, that can also negatively effect the suspension dynamically. more so than just a lumb of metal with the equivalent unsprung mass. what could be done to mitigate this? the most straight forward thing to do would be for example a gearbox-bike with a belt (especially for downhill). you could also look into wwhat trinity-bikes or lal-bikes are doing
This is a question we get asked alot. People think there is some sort of rule, or reason that you can't run a different brand fork and shock on the same bike. There are zero reason not to. If we really like the way a specific rear suspension works on a bike, we run it regardless of fork brand on the same bike model. Sometimes you just find the best of both worlds to get the overall feel you are looking for.
The bike Kiran is riding is a pre-production bike. Typically he's riding mules years before we all see the final product. Then pre-production carbon bikes are produced approximately 12 months prior to launch and ridden extensively to check chassis stiffness, suspension tuning and details.
Schön, aber ich dachte, ich erfahre ein Bisschen etwas, was mir hilft, meinen Dämpfer einzustellen, es ist aber letztendlich eine Santa Cruz Werbung. Aber schön - dabei bleibe ich
Wenn ich kann, würde ich gerne bei der Einrichtung Ihrer Federung helfen. Ich habe an meinem Santa Cruz mit vielen verschiedenen Kombinationen von Abstandshaltern und Luftdruck experimentiert und es fährt sich im Moment großartig. Sorry the poor translation, my German is not good yet 🙂 message me
I’ve learned the suspension that feels perfect for a pro ride will probably feel like crap to your average rider. Average riders probably make up 80% of bike sales
This can be true, which is exactly why Kiran mentions that he's always looking for that balance to find the 'perfect tune' for varying types of riders👍
Agree 100%. I've got a 2022 Tallboy. When I ride at my top speed the bike feels pretty damn good; the best MTB I've ridden in 35 years of riding. I'm neither skilled nor fit enough to ride the stock setup in its sweet spot. This results in the bike not feeling all that great at my usual speeds and lines. Nowhere near enough small bump unless I'm hammering. It's riding very well now that I've made mods with a Vorsprung Luftcappe in the fork and finding a better spacer/ psi combo for the rear. My take on it is I don't want a bike that's made for my sweet spot because I'm improving and don't want to exceed the bike. I want the bike to exceed me. It's not all that difficult to find a suspension tune that suits an individuals ability if the bike has range. But I'm not going to spend Santa Cruz $$ on a bike that runs out adaptability where the median of 80% of riders is, even though I'm not that far of that median myself. Easy to flip that and say it's just as easy to level up with mods to an average rider stock bike, but the kinematics and geo will always be for average speeds and handling. For me I'm excited to grow into the bike. I suppose that SC could have two suspension tune starting point recommendations, one for average riders, and one for slayers. That would save a lot of fafing around from the get-go on initial bike set up.
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
"...deal with my perfectionist tendencies". Immediately next clip shows him hitting a shock bolt with just a t handle, no precisely calibrated torque wrench. 😁
I’m not sure what you mean by to young but I’ve found it to be a close starting point just needs more compression damping and less low speed rebound to keep from packing for the x2 anyway.
What I really like about Jordi is that he literally never tells you anything meaningful but yet he's considered THE suspension guru. He has made a career out of..... ummmm..... Oh - and isn't that a ZEB I see....? F Fox. But I do love my HT V2
Would love to see more insights into SC's development and engineering! Thanks guys!
More to come!
If this is the dude responsible for the Megatower V2 Fox tunes, give that man a raise.
Hopefully not responsible for the v1 mega superdeluxe tune. Thing was notoriously overdamped to the point with a shock change it was like a whole new bike according to all riders.
@@jessehill3780 lol yeah, I still have my V1 completely refreshed and waiting for a buyer. I completely agree on the stiffness of the V1... my DHX2 definitely helped in that regard, but that was a painful bike to get along with for a little while there.
@@PJJ205mtb I never actually rode one but was aware of so many comments and reviews talking about having to push past the rough spot (basically have to hit everything at Mach 10 to get it to activate). Then like the very last year of the v1 they put on the x2 and same mags reviewed it and we’re blown away by the bike and how different it was. It was like duh, anyone who did a tractive tune could have told you that thing was way way off. Surprising how far off they got that one.
One of the People responsible for how awesome my Megatower is, much appreciated!!!!
I definitely appreciate a ton being able to tune my bikes to what’s recommended by Santa Cruz and go from there. It’s never done me wrong.
After watching this video I think Kieran is a fantastic engineer I will always buy a Santa Cruz bike because the engineering especially the VPP suspension technology is the best plus Santa Cruz have the best website ever when it comes to torque specs and exploded diagrams as well
heck yeah, kiran!
We love you Kiran! Great video, love that you have grown to be such a valuable member of the SC team. :)
Thank you so much!
I raced with Kiran back in the day at Northstar, I remember him letting me check out his V10.4. Since then I have owned nothing but Santa Cruz, I'm on my 4th and cant wait to see what he makes out of the V10.8!
Love the exchange with engineering. I did halfway expect some mention of the CAD "Digital Twin", but I guess this is the target audience for the video.
Just upgraded my 7 yr old Bronson 2 with a second hand Fox X2. Kiran’s inspired me to start tinkering to find the perfect setup for my ride style 🤓👌 Cheers Kiran! (Also super sick you’re also into RC!)
This dude is awesome
from my past all bikes - Vp free from 2004 my favorite! This is the perfect bike. Rear travel 215. But I can go 85-100 km without problems, when friends on hardtails pant from behind. I can go enduro, DH, СС, - it's all-purpose! ideal geo!) Haven`t money for try new models, but my oldschool is perfect!!!
Very nice!
Excellent content as usual.
Much appreciated!
excellent piece, thanks for sharing! neat to see behind the scenes of bikes i've been riding since 2000. thx SC!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dudes a beast on the trails 😮
This guys rides and runs RC cars. Sounds like a great man!
Killer video 🤘🏼
Man I need to get out to Windrock.... that place looks killer!
You won't understand until you're there. Bring extra parts.
@@butchgreene good looking out, homie.
What Santa Cruz bike is Kiran riding in this video? He is killing it! Great video. I cant wait to see more!
A Nomad in Windrock and Tallboy in AZ.
id love to hear his opinion on alternative drivetrain options especially regarding the influence of chain-movement on the rear-end characteristics/performance
I guess that’s what the crestline Rs 205 is going for with their almost identical VPP setup and idler pulley, albeit with 200mm travel
@@DrudgeAudio well yeah and no. i shouldve made more clear what i meant by chain-influences. you can distinct to different ways the chain influences the suspension performance.
first: the obvious pedal kickback story, that is fairly easy to manage using idlers and appropriate geometry. however in some cases (such as santacruz bikes for example) a certain amount of pedal-kickback is desired.
second: the intertia induced slapping around of the lower part of the chain in conjunction with the cake of the derallieur (and its clutch). this has several effects. it will also induce a moment on the chainring and thus can also feel like pedal-kickback. on the rear end it the tension-forces will negatively effect the way the suspension moves. as the chain and the derallieur are really heavy parts of the rear end they essentially act as another sprung weight, that can also negatively effect the suspension dynamically. more so than just a lumb of metal with the equivalent unsprung mass.
what could be done to mitigate this? the most straight forward thing to do would be for example a gearbox-bike with a belt (especially for downhill). you could also look into wwhat trinity-bikes or lal-bikes are doing
Hell yeah Kiran! 🤙 💘
Nice songs, where can I find a Playlist or info about the music?
What a cool guy 😎
Everything was all pro Fox, even Jordi chimes in, then I see a Zeb @ Windrock!
My question is, why do some Santa Cruz bikes come with mixed brand shocks and forks?
We spec the very best parts that pair well with our designs. On some bikes the Rockshox is a better fit, on other bikes the Fox offerings are better.
LIving the dream!
If this guy research and developed the Chameleon make him CEO.
...rad!
Muito bacana , parabéns !
Muito obrigado
He's like your secret weapon. Some company might pirate him...
Pirates don't get boarded...
Lit🔥
Kiran ftw
it's weird that this brand is not dominant in Enduro world series although they have the ultimate machine
guess it must not be the best
@@era2202 They spend their money on the DH race team.
what is the song at minute 4:49
Interesting that the guy who kind of picks the suspension runs a rs front fox rear.
This is a question we get asked alot. People think there is some sort of rule, or reason that you can't run a different brand fork and shock on the same bike. There are zero reason not to. If we really like the way a specific rear suspension works on a bike, we run it regardless of fork brand on the same bike model. Sometimes you just find the best of both worlds to get the overall feel you are looking for.
Let me know when Kiran is looking to retire. I want this man’s job.
Keep riding and reading and learning. Then hit us up with a 12,000 word essay about the relative effect of atmospheric differentials on suspension.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 can I wash the dishes instead?
What a total ripper
Would like to see the Santa Cruz logo on the bike unless it’s a test bike
The bike Kiran is riding is a pre-production bike. Typically he's riding mules years before we all see the final product. Then pre-production carbon bikes are produced approximately 12 months prior to launch and ridden extensively to check chassis stiffness, suspension tuning and details.
Maybe can post his Zeb Settings? Would be nice :)
Santa Cruz👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
what is the name of that part of phoenix?
Think it was trail 100
Schön, aber ich dachte, ich erfahre ein Bisschen etwas, was mir hilft, meinen Dämpfer einzustellen, es ist aber letztendlich eine Santa Cruz Werbung. Aber schön - dabei bleibe ich
Wenn ich kann, würde ich gerne bei der Einrichtung Ihrer Federung helfen. Ich habe an meinem Santa Cruz mit vielen verschiedenen Kombinationen von Abstandshaltern und Luftdruck experimentiert und es fährt sich im Moment großartig. Sorry the poor translation, my German is not good yet 🙂 message me
I forgot to mention Nick Anderson Santa Cruz engineer
I’ve learned the suspension that feels perfect for a pro ride will probably feel like crap to your average rider. Average riders probably make up 80% of bike sales
This can be true, which is exactly why Kiran mentions that he's always looking for that balance to find the 'perfect tune' for varying types of riders👍
Agree 100%. I've got a 2022 Tallboy. When I ride at my top speed the bike feels pretty damn good; the best MTB I've ridden in 35 years of riding. I'm neither skilled nor fit enough to ride the stock setup in its sweet spot. This results in the bike not feeling all that great at my usual speeds and lines. Nowhere near enough small bump unless I'm hammering. It's riding very well now that I've made mods with a Vorsprung Luftcappe in the fork and finding a better spacer/ psi combo for the rear. My take on it is I don't want a bike that's made for my sweet spot because I'm improving and don't want to exceed the bike. I want the bike to exceed me. It's not all that difficult to find a suspension tune that suits an individuals ability if the bike has range. But I'm not going to spend Santa Cruz $$ on a bike that runs out adaptability where the median of 80% of riders is, even though I'm not that far of that median myself. Easy to flip that and say it's just as easy to level up with mods to an average rider stock bike, but the kinematics and geo will always be for average speeds and handling. For me I'm excited to grow into the bike. I suppose that SC could have two suspension tune starting point recommendations, one for average riders, and one for slayers. That would save a lot of fafing around from the get-go on initial bike set up.
I can’t ride as good as that. Will I still enjoy the bike?
Can I send you money for a Hightower C frame? The CC is too much for me.
Hit up your local dealer and see what they'll do.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 only hightower cc frames are sold separately, i thought
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
amazing that zuckerberg works at sc now
"...deal with my perfectionist tendencies". Immediately next clip shows him hitting a shock bolt with just a t handle, no precisely calibrated torque wrench. 😁
His inner torque indicator is so finely calibrated he doesn’t need one.😊
If this guy is responsible for my Nomad's setup it's understandable that the suspension feels way to “young” to be any good.
I’m not sure what you mean by to young but I’ve found it to be a close starting point just needs more compression damping and less low speed rebound to keep from packing for the x2 anyway.
Man I feel like a dick for putting a megneg on my bronson and undoing this guys hard work 😂
We all do things…some good, some not so good.
What I really like about Jordi is that he literally never tells you anything meaningful but yet he's considered THE suspension guru. He has made a career out of..... ummmm..... Oh - and isn't that a ZEB I see....? F Fox. But I do love my HT V2
😂🤣😂
Hiya,could you gimme a free bike?(just jokin)🚲
They just copy and paste frame designs now a days 😂😂
I like Santa Cruz bikes! Watching videos! But working in the bike industry is so terrible! Especially in the Bay Area!
Can't take anyone who uses air fork seriously for suspension discussion. How's that seal friction life.