Go Sub to Frogger! Huge Thanks to him for helping out with this video! @Frogger25 Join the discord!: discord.gg/muttarmy And thanks to brayden for making sure I don't mess anything up!: @8brayden8 If you'd like to view a more comprehensive look on Markiplier cheating 10/20 mode, here's a document with some extra info: docs.google.com/document/d/1bcYibWNt8fSbRJyWF3bjqpWvZoQzKF_7-c4SQiXkb_I/edit?usp=sharing Music used: docs.google.com/document/d/1xc7efV51G56mSzWbP-Qi7l7A4lKIo-HB5eV5L4lJBqY/edit?usp=sharing
@@KingPinTheBowler had this video playing in the background , heard "it took the verifier x attempts" only to alt tab and see the pointercrate list entries
Jsut gonna say this if you didn't want hate comments and this is to both sides referring about people who will defend Mark and people who will hate Mark and just say he straight up cheated then why post about it? If you know this this is gonna cause hate and fallout on to both sides? Bec the way I see it's a lose lose people will be coming here saying not that's wrong and then people on to his video and say he faked it all long it just feels like more a hit piece on that section
Hello I just want to point out a few mistakes you have made in your calculation at 39:50. First of all starting with toy bonnie: What you were basically calculating here is the probability of toy bonnie having a failed movement in a scenario where he only gets 1 movement opportunity. What you failed to take into account is that toy bonnie doesn't just get 1 movement opportunity. He gets 3 of them. And with multiple movement opportunities also comes a higher chance of a failed movement. So in order to calculate the chance of toy bonnie not entering the vent we have to add up the chances of each individual scenario in which toy bonnie fails 1 movement. These scenarios are the following: 1. Toy bonnie fails his first movement but succeeds at his second and third: (1/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)=9/64 2. Toy bonnie fails his second movement but succeeds at his first and third: (3/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=9/64 3. Toy bonnie fails his third movement but succeeds at his first and second: (3/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=9/64 Additionally we must also consider that toy bonnie can fail more than just 1 movement opportunity. So we must also consider all scenarios in which toy bonnie fails 2 movements: 4. Toy bonnie fails his first and second movement opportunity but succeeds at his third: (1/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=3/64 5. Toy bonnie fails his second and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his first: (3/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=3/64 6. Toy bonnie fails his first and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his second: (1/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=3/64 And finally we need the probability of him failing all 3 of his movements: 7. Toy bonnie fails all 3 of his movement opportunities: (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=1/64 If we add all of these chances together we get the following result: (9/64)+(9/64)+(9/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(1/64)=37/64≈57.81% This means that the chances of toy bonnie failing at least one of his movement opportunities are actually greater than the chances of him having 3 successful movement opportunities in a row. There is also a much simpler second way to arrive at this result: You can just calculate the probability of the opposite outcome (in this case the chance of toy bonnie entering the vent) and subtract the result from 1. Since the only scenario in which toy bonnie can enter the vent requires him to have 3 successful movement opportunities in a row we can actually calculate this fairly quickly: 8. Toy Bonnie succeeds in all 3 of his movement opportunities: (3/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)=27/64 1-(27/64)=37/64≈57.81% Now regarding Toy freddy: You basically made the same mistake you previously did with toy bonnie: Calculating the chance of toy freddy failing 2 movements in a scenario in which he only has 2 movement opportunities. The correct method of calculating the chances of toy freddy never entering the hallway is basically the same method I previously used for toy bonnie except this time we remove the scenarios in which toy freddy only fails 1 of his movements. So what we get is this: 1. Toy freddy fails his first and second movement opportunity but succeeds at his third: (1/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=3/64 2. Toy freddy fails his second and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his first: (3/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=3/64 3. Toy freddy fails his first and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his second: (1/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=3/64 4. Toy freddy fails all 3 of his movement opportunities: (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=1/64 Adding these together we get: (3/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(1/64)=5/32≈15.62% And now regarding mangle: You forgot to take into account that mangle can still fail movement opportunities. The 1/2 chance would only be correct if mangle was 100% guaranteed to move at every movement opportunity. There are 2 possible ways to calculate the probability that mangle doesn't enter the vent: The first method is to do the same thing I did with toy bonnie with the only difference being that we account for one additional scenario in which mangle succeeds at all 3 movement opportunities but fails her 1/2 chance. The second method is to calculate the probability of mangle entering the vent and subtract it from 1. Doing this we get: 1. Mangle succeeds at all 3 of her movement opportunities and at her 1/2 chance: (3/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)*(1/2)=27/128 1-(27/128)=101/128≈78.90% And lastly ragarding balloon boy and toy chica: They are the only 2 animatronics where you actually calculated the probability correctly. Since the only way for toy chica to not enter the hallway and for balloon boy to not laugh once requires them to fail all 3 of their movement opportunities they both have a 1/64 or 1.56% chance each. If we finally multiply all of these probabilities with each other we get the probability of all of these events happening at the same time: (37/64)*(1/64)*(5/32)*(101/128)*(1/64)=18685/1073741824 So assuming the movement paths you were showing in the video are correct the probability of Mark being innocent in this situation is about 0.00174% which is still incredibly low but almost 9 times bigger than the probability you calculated. I hope you found this comment helpful.
Shouldn't W. Bonnie also be taken into account since he didn't make any noise either? Also, the percentage calculated here and in the video is only true if every animatronic is at their furthest positions, which is extremely unlikely, making the probability even less
Somewhere in the Google Doc, its stated that the odds could be 1 in 2000. I wonder if those odds could be improved. I'd do the math myself but probability has always been a weak point for me.
This is probably the only essay I’ll ever read on RUclips because it was interesting (or I’m a psycho and like math, but I doubt that, it was probably just because toy Bonnie was mentioned)
I know it's been like 3 weeks at this point but I came to a slight realization recently concerning the whole Mark cheating 10/20 thing. Keep in mind that I actually suspected him of cheating all the way back in 2014 because of the third star thing, but nobody really cared at that time so I never paid any more mind to it. So it's pretty obvious from your analysis that Mark is playing 4/20 at the end of the video and not 10/20 mode and that's why he gets the third star. However, notice how he checks his recording software after "winning" and goes "Please tell me everything is still recording...". Also notice as how in the previous episode (Night 6) he mentions taking a break because of his card filling up (ie he was running out of storage.) This makes me wonder if he had legitimately completed 10/20 but ran out of space during the winning attempt (or had the footage corrupt since he says "Please do not corrupt my video" in episode 1 of his FNAF 2 series after accidentally exiting the game) and decided to just record himself beating 4/20 instead of redoing 10/20. As you said, it's likely that he really just wanted to get the video out and did not want to potentially waste another 9+ hours trying to beat the mode again. The crossfade from the title screen to the Golden Freddy custom night screen was probably done to not make it obvious he had been doing 4/20 since it would have shown two stars next to the challenge's title, although this inadvertently made it more suspicious for the reasons you mentioned. As for the night skip code/editing the files, it's absolutely possible that he knew about one or both of these techniques at the time, but I have a bit of doubt about this. In one of his FNAF Revisited streams he did to promote In Space with Markiplier, he boots up FNAF 1 to test out camera stalling as he saw someone do it in UCN and learned it was possible in the first game too. During this, someone in chat told him how to do the night skip cheat and he seemed genuinely shocked when it worked. Why would he be shocked if he already knew about it from FNAF 2 and has used it to skip to 6AM in 10/20? Now, obviously, Mark could have just acted surprised to make it more believable that he hadn't cheated (he is an actor now, after all), but why would he care enough to act shocked 9 years after the fact? By that point, it's not like anyone watching really suspected him of cheating or really cared. This is all of course just speculation and there is no way to truly know if he cheated or not (and the way the video is edited really doesn't help his case), but I think it's a perspective worth considering as it doesn't seem that far-fetched.
It was 9 years ago. He could have forgot he already heard about the night skip from a game he played a decade ago among hundreds of games since. Especially if he didn't use that night skip cheat all the time. I have less youtube videos and I can't remember every detail concerning the ones I made a decade ago. It would be many times harder for Mark cuz he has waaaay more videos.
@@rosestar1324 This is also a reasonable take. Once again, it's impossible to know. Although considering how much he remembered about these games during those "Revisited" streams, I'd still wager there is a good chance he would have remembered there being a night skip cheat, even if he didn't recall exactly what it was.
Honestly, i feel like mark could have beat 10/20 legitimately but just played 20/20/20/20 mode afterwards and used that footage because the third gold star on the menu looks nice for RUclips
@@YourLocalToaster999 Honestly he could have done that. It would be a bit silly to do that and not show the 10/20 victory if he had footage of it, though.
8:40 Scott gave Springtrap his name before FNAF 3 even released in a teaser saying something like "My children are play testing the game and the ********** is working really well." And somehow people decoded the message to fill the hidden word as Springtrap. Source trust me bro I remember hearing about this before FNAF 3 came out.
Your right I remember that too. There is a chance though that the files/code relating to Springtrap had already been fully finished prior to Scott deciding on a name for the animatronic. Hence why the game itself never uses the name despite the name being confirmed prior to release.
ykno it makes so much sense that the first person to beat HP has a hollow knight profile pic. And another one looks to be a rain world pic. Bunch of masochists in those communities
@@KingPinTheBowler Hollow Knight is a souls-like metroidvania known for having some extremely difficult challenges, especially when mods are involved (see anyrad 3)
PLEASE make a follow up going into more detail about Mark cheating 10/20! It was really interesting and I absolutely LOVED the Ace Attorney edits! Edit: Some of y'all are saying "but he already got all of his points across in this video," and while that probably is true, he said "leave a comment if you want to see a more in-depth explanation on it," which I do.
@@AnarchyMitsukai Ah, that's fair! But hey, it would be another video to 'watch' while I work, and the tea would be more entertaining when given a proper video-length segment :D
Same, it always sucks when you learn that someone you thought was a genuine person is capable of going to such lengths to cheat and lie. It's disappointing, but not unforgivable as it was almost 10 years ago
9 and a half years ago I was telling people (with no hard evidence at all, naturally) that he cheated 10/20. This video was a transcendental experience for me.
So in one of Mark's Fnaf Revisited livestreams, he learned about camera stalling and that it was in fnaf 1. So he went to test it, but had to start a new game. His chat had to teach him how to add completed days manually through altering the files, and he was practically in shock you could do that. It's way more likely that he just edited the star into the video because he edited his own videos at the time.
It’s finally about time that someone showed that 4/20 mode with Freddy on the stage all night is possible. I want to see more people pushing their limits in FNaF 1 like doing True Old Strat with power, Freddy on the stage all night, etc.
The mobile versions of FNAF games usually had a few more unused or exclusive screens that would appear when starting up the game or dying. I believe there were a few exploits to the mobile ports that weren't present in the main games. You could probably google "FNAF mobile exclusive screens" to see what I mean.
@@Gabriel_Ultrakillhe probably didn’t want to disappoint his fans and knew people would bug him about it if he didn’t beat it, so he just wanted to move on
I'm so happy to see DJ Sterf getting the respect he deserves as well as for you bringing forward other fantastic contributors that I've not heard of. This video is an awesome representation of this community!
One thing I really like about the way UCN fits into the greater story is that all UCN mods, heck, everything on the Max Mode list, could be considered canon. Just the Vengeful Spirit becoming more and more creative in William's torture.
I would love a deep dive into the Markiplier 10/20 conspiracy, and maybe a dedicated video would make it slightly more likely that Mark could see it and confirm/deny it lol.
I love how everyone freaks out about Marks “king of fnaf” title like he put a ton of thought into it, and crowned himself the king cause he legitimately thought he was the world’s best player.
Ya know, after hearing about how much of a nightmare 10/20 is because of Toy Bonnie, I think back to a line I heard a speedrun-tuber say, I forget who exactly said it but it was "cheating isn't done to get better times, it's done to get those times faster" I'm sure Mark had the skills to actually pull it off, but enough bad RNG can slowly but surely break anyone's morale Mark also has his big audience to crank out content for, and thus not exactly the time for Toy Bonnie, but still, I think it's ultimately a minor hiccup in one of the cleanest careers among the big-name RUclipsrs (and the original video file is probably long-since wiped from his computer anyways, so it's unlikely there'll be a concrete response if any)
And at the time of FNAF 2's launch Mark was in the middle of two other very lengthy let's plays (Alien: Isolation and The Evil Within), I can imagine that juggling that and all the other stuff he does for his channel, and having a tough time beating the mode that he decided to say f*ck it and cheated his 10/20 completion so he can get the video out while it was most relevant. It's not great that he cheated, but he's hardly a terrible guy for doing so in that instance either because he wasn't going for a world record or something along those lines. I think it was more of a business decision than anything; to get a video of the completion out while the hype was still going strong.
In defense of calling Post-Shift 2 the "hardest fnaf fan game"; I think the game deserves its title due to the fact that the ENTIRE game is unfathomably difficult, and not by design. It wasn't the creators intention to make a hard game, instead he made a game with an insurmountable amount of mechanics for a new player to digest for each night. Combine that with unintended RNG factors and you get a punishing, nearly unbeatable experience that almost requires a walkthrough or exploits to beat. The other games that are harder than Post-Shift 2 were designed to be hard. They are mostly mods or reimaginings of existing games with the sole intent to make the max modes impossible, and to me that feels like cheating. I could boot up ClickTeam and make a custom night mod that requires 1,000,000 frame perfect inputs to beat, and as long as it was proven to be possible, it would be deemed the hardest fnaf fan game. Finally, something like Tyke and Sons isn't unfathomably difficult UNTIL 14/22, while Post-Shift 2 is agonizing from start to finish as a complete experience not even including a max mode. In conclusion, I wouldn't consider a singular custom night setting being hard as making the ENTIRE game hard, so in terms of a complete experience with its own lore, multiple endings, and complete set of nights, I would say Post-Shift 2 is among the hardest fnaf fan games out there.
I will mention your point about "booting up clickteam and making the hardest fnaf game" doesn't really count here when it has to be beaten by a human in order to count on the max mode list. If you were able to verifyably do said 1000000 frame perfect inputs to beat the mode, it would (probably) count yeah, but you can't, nor can any other human, so it's just thrown in the TAS-only bin.
Yeah, completely true. Other games might have much harder max modes, but Post-Shift 2 is pure pain right out of the box. It's like saying The Last of Us is harder than SMB: The Lost Levels because of Grounded Mode.
Ctrl s is actually very very useful in sister location so skip the usually unskippable diologue. Just press it twice and theyll be skipped and the usual stuff that happens at the end of their diologue will start. This is seen in astrallspiff's third marathon
I would love to see a deeper dive, as I love in-depth explanations of things. I also find people "going nerdy" on topics very entertaining and informative! 😄
Man, I love this channel so much. I’m so glad I found it a couple months ago. Also, funnily enough, Markiplier has mentioned that Fnaf 2 is probably his favorite game in the series. Pretty ironic considering it’s the only one that people consider his max-mode completion to be cheated.
yeah all his other ones are legit, i'm surprised he couldn't do 10/20 when he did SL GFVH. He def has the skill but i guess he was just pressured to get it out
@@TheBones5 Fnaf 2 was when Fnaf really got huge, so I’m guessing he died a lot and got just a little annoyed so he cut it in order to get the video out and be “one of the first.” He was running a few series concurrently as well at the time, so scheduling issues probably collided and the commitment to one of if not the hardest max-mode’s the series has to offer probably didn’t outweigh the benefits.
@@TheBones5 Yeah I do feel like he probably just got pressured into pushing out a video, especially since he had the reputation of being like, the second (third? Can't remember rn) ever person to beat 4/20 in FNAF 1. To be frank, if Mark just came out and said "yeah I cheated the run. Sorry" I don't think it would hurt his reputation really at all. He's contributed so much good to the world that I think most people would simply understand and move on; I certainly would.
39:49 Mark never shines his light down the hallway, meaning the animatronics not being in the hallway is unprovable, upping his odds to 1/2048 Edit: I said 512, but then I realized Toy Chica needed to fail at least one movement opportunity to not go into the vent 41:33 Also, what the Hell is this evidence. “Mark was having a panic attack and edited it out, thus fake” Edit 2: Damn I suck at math. It’s 2048.
I think you’re missing the point. Even if you take away the circumstantial evidence (cutting the footage at certain points), the case is still not exactly in Mark’s favor. Even if the odds are more along the lines of 1/2048, that’s still incredibly low and unlikely. I don’t hate Mark, but I can’t pretend there isn’t legitimate evidence against him here.
8:46 Springtrap is actually an official name. Scott made a post on steam talking about the early beta testing for fnaf 3 being successful. In the post, he spelled some words wrong by putting two of the same letters where there would only be one. For example, he might’ve said something like “the beta ttesting was successful”. If you take all the repeated letters and put them together, it spells out “My name is Springtrap”
That came AFTER the game was practically finished though I doubt Scott had Chica, Bonnie, or Foxy ready as names for the animatronics Bonnie = bunny Foxy = fox Chica = chicken Freddy's name definitely came first since it isn't based around what animal he is (although it was Freddy Bear originally) "DFGH" means absolutely nothing, Springtrap probably came as he was writing the springlock mechanic into the lore
38:19 something interesting I found is that balloon boy doesn't actually make any sound when moving from the game area to the main hall, I tested this several times in-game and he just disappeared from the game area silently Also I would totally like to see a full video about Markiplier cheating, because it sounds like something that more people should know about! Also, sneaky Mark you tricked us all!
I dont know why its so funny to me that the glitched night in fnaf 4 just has zero animatronics, there are so many goofy interpretations maybe they just got lazy that night and went out for dinner or william just stopped his experiments leaving Michael to remain paranoid for the whole 6 hours
Here's my piece of obscure FNaF knowledge: UCN and FNaF world have a weird interaction. If you activate the old man consequences easter egg in UCN (By setting his ai to one and completing his minigame.) and you drown in the lake in that minigame, and then open up FNaF world, you will unlock the trophy for the old man consequences ending if you did not previously have it. I did not discover this, but I can't remember who did.
For Silent Suicide Mouse, there are actually 3 victors (4 now but at the time you made this it would have been 3) because Skerf actually beat it. It just was off camera
honestly i can completely understand why mark would cheat 10/20 especially knowing how hard it was to beat when the game first launched. at the end of the day he's a youtuber on a schedule, if he doesn't get an upload in asap he may lose out on views and may lose the title of "king of fnaf" among his fans.
I agree. Considering that he wasn't uploading the run to a leaderboard of some sort (and that this was almost a decade ago) I can also give him the pass on his (likely) cheated run. If it was some sort of "I beat the game first, I'm the best in the world!" type of thing, it would be a bigger deal. But it was just a dude playing the game for fun, and he was uploading it to RUclips. If Mark did cheat, I still think he shouldn't have done that, but if anybody wants to cancel him or otherwise punish him for a cheated casual playthrough today, then that's going a little too far.
It is not clear that Mark cheated. I need more proof than that. Plus that was in 2014 probably on a different build. I need more proof that you're giving. Everyone else may be so quick to believe but I'm not. Its just not something Mark would really do
In defense of Markiplier (not that your argument isn't compelling or that I believe Markiplier is some perfectly honest man) 1: Markiplier has received a multitude of unlikely events in his time with these games. Receiving Golden Freddy on his first run of FNAF 1, getting RWQ, JJ, etc. It is therefore possible that all the toys failed their opportunities. 2: Markiplier has completed worse challenges than 10/20, to include pre patch SL Night 4, it seems odd that he would cheat here of all places.
I hate to break it to you but night 4 prepatch is NOT a hard as hard as people have made it out to be, the pre patch version of it is practically identical to the current patch on night 4
People don't cheat to get good results; they cheat to get good results faster. As an example, SpaceUK (known for being the focus of the biggest hacking scandal in Geometry Dash history) had beaten every demon prior to his accidental hacking of The Golden entirely legitimately, and his noclip run was convincing enough (at the time) to pass off as legit. He was also able to beat Kenos legit before he just started hacking everything. He absolutely had the skill to beat all those top extremes; he just didn't want to invest all that time. Just because someone is good doesn't mean they should be completely above suspicion.
I would definitely love to see a deep dive on the markiplier entry! It’s very interesting and since it’s so long ago it’s kinda also funny to look back on; I like mark and genuinely want to know if he faked it not even to get mad but just because it’s interesting and I want to know the answer; ik he’s probably not going to say anything but if he did admit to it that would be cool and just kinda funny bc it was so long ago and we know he’s good Fnaf games anyway; myf im rambling 💀 I like ur videos! 👍
As someone watching this late at night, I appreciate the chill vibes of the lower tiers as opposed to typical iceberg videos trying to make them as creepy as possible for no reason
Ctrl+S is actually pretty useful in Sister Location. Certain events like with hand unit are tied to audio so you can mute and unmute to skip dialogue and get to the rest of the night faster
This is probably my favorite Fnaf channel because of the high focus on max modes. I play the main 7 Fnaf games with the only goal being to beat every max mode. So far I finished the first three and I’m working on Saturday on pizza sim. Keep it up!
I literally cant believe that Markplier cheated 10/20. I will never trust anyone else, including my family and myself. Jokes aside, it would be kinda funny. 10 years and just now people discovered it (idk if other people gave proofs like TheBones5 did). Well, its not like he and most of us would care anyways.
Fun fact: Ultra Custom Night’s max mode is the TRUE hardest max mode, in that it is literally impossible (although I’m pretty sure that’s the fault of a single animatronic, though even without said animatronic I’m pretty sure that it’s either still impossible, or only possible via a perfect luck TAS. The main chalenge of Ultra Custom Night is actually how many you can do).
No one considers it to be the hardest maxmode as it never has and never will be beaten due to being physically impossible That is to say not even a TAS is capable of beating it
HESBACKHESBACKHES ACK I just watched your last iceberg the other week after stumbling upon your challenge runs, and really enjoyed the way you covered the games
I always thought the transitions in Mark's video were weird, even when it dropped 10 years ago. Crazy stuff! I think it warrants its own video, not to hate on Mark, but I just think it adds to the story of how crazy the hype train was back then.
I would like to see a dedicated video to the Markiplier 10/20 run, mainly because I think it’s a topic that deserves it’s own video outside of the technical fnaf stuff
Also, at 36:29, we hear a buzzing like it happens at the beginning of the blackout when no animatronics were present at the puppet room, but when he flips down the camera, buzzing stops and there is no blackout
I like that for the last part of the iceberg its not really an entry and more just a shoutout to all the hardworking players that made technical fnaf what it is today
You’d need to compare mark’s other videos of the time to see his crossfade tendencies in order to really use that as ammunition for him cheating. I think the odds are insane, yeah, but it’s still entirely possible. I give it a 30% chance he cheated, but I wouldn’t be too terribly surprised if he did.
39:59 Um… no. He never successfully shines his light down the hallway in the clip. He tries and fails after dealing with Freddy, with the noise for an animatronic moving in the hallway playing, then doesn’t get another chance after that because he beats the night. Saying Toy Freddy has higher priority than Withered Foxy doesn’t matter *if he doesn’t see Withered Foxy.* 39:55 And again, Toy Chica never appears in the hallway because Mark never looks down the hallway. She still needs to fail once so she doesn’t go into the vent, but that makes 4 times you claimed movement opportunities would need to fail that they wouldn’t, which is 1024 times the actual amount. This makes his odds 1/1024, which is very possible
40:58 theres also a 1/2 chance for golden Freddy to appear on 5 second interval every time you pull down the monitor which even lowers the chance even more
38:45 I mean, Chica enters cam 6 by leaving cam 2 and vice versa. I even tested it myself in FNaF 2 and she only makes one vent sound cue, so idk what you're talking about
the whole markiplier section reminds me of when i played Spooky's and somehow got the best possible luck in the game throughout the entire thing and beat it. i do not remember all of it as i wasn't recording, it was a while ago, and i didn't bother to look up the ai technicalities of the game. I also lost interest soon after completion so i've never really done a deep dive into what i do remember and how it was possible, but essentially i did not look at specimen 6 at any point throughout the entire game and just ran away from him, but i was never attacked. at all. from what the friend i was playing with told me, i believe this is a very low chance? or maybe the game glitched, i don't know. there was also some sort of instance with specimen 12 not killing me when he should have, and other characters despawning far before they were supposed to. the first instance i described with 6 i'm mostly sure of, the others are more hazy. if anyone knows the AI of Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion, please do explain to me how that happened. Also, I'm not necessarily saying this happened to Mark i was just thinking it could have been a glitch, but then bones showed the whole star thingy so
Honestly? I’ve been thinking about this, and especially based on how Mark starts his video, if he DID fake it: I think it was honestly only because he’d already done it off camera. And tried to do it again on-camera, but got too annoyed/tired. He does start the video talking about how he’s been practicing all morning and how he’s “thinks he can almost do it” but also: he says this in an adrenaline filled kind of way, that makes me think he may have just come off of JUST beating it. Honestly, the idea of Mark editing the code is what makes me most sceptical here. 🤔 He’s just not that kinda guy: it’s all personal gratification rather than social achievement for him. (Many examples of him doing shit like this when he’s interested in something, but him solo-ing GTFO levels 1 and 2 most come to mind. Nothing really to gain, he just got interred in it and was curious to see if he COULD do it. -If his body could take it- ) Beating it off camera and then being unable to redo it again that day, however? Yeah, that fits. His ADHD makes him impatient and for it hard to concentrate on things that aren’t stimulating: him already beating it making him less focused, making him unable to re-beat it, and him being unable to re-beat it enhancing his frustration? Making him even less focused? Rinse repeat? Before he eventually quits? Yeah, that actually fits the Mark I know lol.
I accidentally "killed" foxy once while playing night 5 on my grandma's ipad when the first mobile releases came out. I was scared as hell, but it allowed me to beat it.
What is also sus is when you compare his celebration in Fnaf 2's 10/20 vs Fnaf 3 and especially Fnaf 1, his reaction is closer to Fbnf 3, when in reality he should really be screaming like he was in Fnaf 1
I haven't played these games in years and it took tier 7 for me to find something I didn't know (hopeless persuit). Now waiting to see if there's a tier I know nothing on. Edit: tier 10. Tier 10 was the first where I didn't know anything.
It is odd markplier in fnaf 2 does not have the other rewards like the plushies on his desk and only did 20/20/20/20 mode off camera plus the way he acted when he seen the third star pretty much gives it away in the 5:38 part of mark video he only has 2 stars
Lmfao the person who commented on markipliers 10/20 vid saying that fnaf 2 was the hardest max mode to beat has since recognized that they have been in your video and edited their reply to say that being wrong is okay sometimes 😭
a part of me wants to make a fnaf style game, but even if i could actually figure out how godot works (only engine i'd consider using since it's free.) i know i could never make a max mode worth playing because it would either be too easy or too hard for me to beat. i suck at games (odd considering i've spent my whole life playing them.) and i wouldn't want to make one i couldn't beat. ofc i can only make mediocre scratch stuff so i guess i don't have to worry about that.
you should do a video covering the main list and why they are so hard i looked into the list and all i see is intense gameplay and cant tell the difference between each max modes and why they are harder from one another
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If you'd like to view a more comprehensive look on Markiplier cheating 10/20 mode, here's a document with some extra info:
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When did fnaf turn into geometry trash😂 bro done got a pointercrate demon list and level verifiers
@@miufke_ a long time ago
@@KingPinTheBowler didnt know lol
@@KingPinTheBowler had this video playing in the background , heard "it took the verifier x attempts" only to alt tab and see the pointercrate list entries
Jsut gonna say this if you didn't want hate comments and this is to both sides referring about people who will defend Mark and people who will hate Mark and just say he straight up cheated then why post about it? If you know this this is gonna cause hate and fallout on to both sides? Bec the way I see it's a lose lose people will be coming here saying not that's wrong and then people on to his video and say he faked it all long it just feels like more a hit piece on that section
Lmao the mark cheated section with the DeathNote references and Ace Attorney music combined is absolutely unhinged
i was hoping L's theme would play
Someone needs to recreate it in an Ace Attorney custom case maker!
It was a great exchange. The 2 bones lol. Still so not get death note references
and the starwman
Hello I just want to point out a few mistakes you have made in your calculation at 39:50.
First of all starting with toy bonnie:
What you were basically calculating here is the probability of toy bonnie having a failed movement in a scenario where he only gets 1 movement opportunity.
What you failed to take into account is that toy bonnie doesn't just get 1 movement opportunity. He gets 3 of them.
And with multiple movement opportunities also comes a higher chance of a failed movement.
So in order to calculate the chance of toy bonnie not entering the vent we have to add up the chances of each individual scenario in which toy bonnie fails 1 movement.
These scenarios are the following:
1. Toy bonnie fails his first movement but succeeds at his second and third: (1/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)=9/64
2. Toy bonnie fails his second movement but succeeds at his first and third: (3/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=9/64
3. Toy bonnie fails his third movement but succeeds at his first and second: (3/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=9/64
Additionally we must also consider that toy bonnie can fail more than just 1 movement opportunity. So we must also consider all scenarios in which toy bonnie fails 2 movements:
4. Toy bonnie fails his first and second movement opportunity but succeeds at his third: (1/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=3/64
5. Toy bonnie fails his second and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his first: (3/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=3/64
6. Toy bonnie fails his first and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his second: (1/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=3/64
And finally we need the probability of him failing all 3 of his movements:
7. Toy bonnie fails all 3 of his movement opportunities: (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=1/64
If we add all of these chances together we get the following result:
(9/64)+(9/64)+(9/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(1/64)=37/64≈57.81%
This means that the chances of toy bonnie failing at least one of his movement opportunities are actually greater than the chances of him having 3 successful movement opportunities in a row.
There is also a much simpler second way to arrive at this result:
You can just calculate the probability of the opposite outcome (in this case the chance of toy bonnie entering the vent) and subtract the result from 1.
Since the only scenario in which toy bonnie can enter the vent requires him to have 3 successful movement opportunities in a row we can actually calculate this fairly quickly:
8. Toy Bonnie succeeds in all 3 of his movement opportunities: (3/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)=27/64
1-(27/64)=37/64≈57.81%
Now regarding Toy freddy:
You basically made the same mistake you previously did with toy bonnie: Calculating the chance of toy freddy failing 2 movements in a scenario in which he only has 2 movement opportunities.
The correct method of calculating the chances of toy freddy never entering the hallway is basically the same method I previously used for toy bonnie except this time we remove the scenarios in which toy freddy only fails 1 of his movements.
So what we get is this:
1. Toy freddy fails his first and second movement opportunity but succeeds at his third: (1/4)*(1/4)*(3/4)=3/64
2. Toy freddy fails his second and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his first: (3/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=3/64
3. Toy freddy fails his first and third movement opportunity but succeeds at his second: (1/4)*(3/4)*(1/4)=3/64
4. Toy freddy fails all 3 of his movement opportunities: (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)=1/64
Adding these together we get:
(3/64)+(3/64)+(3/64)+(1/64)=5/32≈15.62%
And now regarding mangle:
You forgot to take into account that mangle can still fail movement opportunities. The 1/2 chance would only be correct if mangle was 100% guaranteed to move at every movement opportunity.
There are 2 possible ways to calculate the probability that mangle doesn't enter the vent:
The first method is to do the same thing I did with toy bonnie with the only difference being that we account for one additional scenario in which mangle succeeds at all 3 movement opportunities but fails her 1/2 chance.
The second method is to calculate the probability of mangle entering the vent and subtract it from 1. Doing this we get:
1. Mangle succeeds at all 3 of her movement opportunities and at her 1/2 chance: (3/4)*(3/4)*(3/4)*(1/2)=27/128
1-(27/128)=101/128≈78.90%
And lastly ragarding balloon boy and toy chica:
They are the only 2 animatronics where you actually calculated the probability correctly. Since the only way for toy chica to not enter the hallway and for balloon boy to not laugh once requires them to fail all 3 of their movement opportunities they both have a 1/64 or 1.56% chance each.
If we finally multiply all of these probabilities with each other we get the probability of all of these events happening at the same time:
(37/64)*(1/64)*(5/32)*(101/128)*(1/64)=18685/1073741824
So assuming the movement paths you were showing in the video are correct the probability of Mark being innocent in this situation is about 0.00174% which is still incredibly low but almost 9 times bigger than the probability you calculated.
I hope you found this comment helpful.
Bro wrote an whole essay
this comment needs more likes so he can see it
Shouldn't W. Bonnie also be taken into account since he didn't make any noise either? Also, the percentage calculated here and in the video is only true if every animatronic is at their furthest positions, which is extremely unlikely, making the probability even less
Somewhere in the Google Doc, its stated that the odds could be 1 in 2000. I wonder if those odds could be improved. I'd do the math myself but probability has always been a weak point for me.
This is probably the only essay I’ll ever read on RUclips because it was interesting (or I’m a psycho and like math, but I doubt that, it was probably just because toy Bonnie was mentioned)
I know it's been like 3 weeks at this point but I came to a slight realization recently concerning the whole Mark cheating 10/20 thing. Keep in mind that I actually suspected him of cheating all the way back in 2014 because of the third star thing, but nobody really cared at that time so I never paid any more mind to it.
So it's pretty obvious from your analysis that Mark is playing 4/20 at the end of the video and not 10/20 mode and that's why he gets the third star. However, notice how he checks his recording software after "winning" and goes "Please tell me everything is still recording...". Also notice as how in the previous episode (Night 6) he mentions taking a break because of his card filling up (ie he was running out of storage.) This makes me wonder if he had legitimately completed 10/20 but ran out of space during the winning attempt (or had the footage corrupt since he says "Please do not corrupt my video" in episode 1 of his FNAF 2 series after accidentally exiting the game) and decided to just record himself beating 4/20 instead of redoing 10/20. As you said, it's likely that he really just wanted to get the video out and did not want to potentially waste another 9+ hours trying to beat the mode again. The crossfade from the title screen to the Golden Freddy custom night screen was probably done to not make it obvious he had been doing 4/20 since it would have shown two stars next to the challenge's title, although this inadvertently made it more suspicious for the reasons you mentioned.
As for the night skip code/editing the files, it's absolutely possible that he knew about one or both of these techniques at the time, but I have a bit of doubt about this. In one of his FNAF Revisited streams he did to promote In Space with Markiplier, he boots up FNAF 1 to test out camera stalling as he saw someone do it in UCN and learned it was possible in the first game too. During this, someone in chat told him how to do the night skip cheat and he seemed genuinely shocked when it worked. Why would he be shocked if he already knew about it from FNAF 2 and has used it to skip to 6AM in 10/20? Now, obviously, Mark could have just acted surprised to make it more believable that he hadn't cheated (he is an actor now, after all), but why would he care enough to act shocked 9 years after the fact? By that point, it's not like anyone watching really suspected him of cheating or really cared.
This is all of course just speculation and there is no way to truly know if he cheated or not (and the way the video is edited really doesn't help his case), but I think it's a perspective worth considering as it doesn't seem that far-fetched.
That is a really really good point. Thanks for the comment.
It was 9 years ago. He could have forgot he already heard about the night skip from a game he played a decade ago among hundreds of games since. Especially if he didn't use that night skip cheat all the time. I have less youtube videos and I can't remember every detail concerning the ones I made a decade ago. It would be many times harder for Mark cuz he has waaaay more videos.
@@rosestar1324 This is also a reasonable take. Once again, it's impossible to know. Although considering how much he remembered about these games during those "Revisited" streams, I'd still wager there is a good chance he would have remembered there being a night skip cheat, even if he didn't recall exactly what it was.
Honestly, i feel like mark could have beat 10/20 legitimately but just played 20/20/20/20 mode afterwards and used that footage because the third gold star on the menu looks nice for RUclips
@@YourLocalToaster999 Honestly he could have done that. It would be a bit silly to do that and not show the 10/20 victory if he had footage of it, though.
8:40 Scott gave Springtrap his name before FNAF 3 even released in a teaser saying something like "My children are play testing the game and the ********** is working really well." And somehow people decoded the message to fill the hidden word as Springtrap.
Source trust me bro I remember hearing about this before FNAF 3 came out.
there were random captialised letters throught a steam post
I remember this too
There was literally a steam community post with "MYNAMEISSPRINGTRAP" hidden throughout the message
@@GhostyKJdidn't expect to see you here. Horror games should stick together anyway.
Your right I remember that too. There is a chance though that the files/code relating to Springtrap had already been fully finished prior to Scott deciding on a name for the animatronic. Hence why the game itself never uses the name despite the name being confirmed prior to release.
ykno it makes so much sense that the first person to beat HP has a hollow knight profile pic. And another one looks to be a rain world pic. Bunch of masochists in those communities
What’s this supposed to mean?
@@KingPinTheBowler Hollow Knight is a souls-like metroidvania known for having some extremely difficult challenges, especially when mods are involved (see anyrad 3)
@@sweettoy3824 Can confirm, Fireb0rn is a good channel to look at for masochistic gameplay on Hollow Knight
@@KingPinTheBowler and rainworld is unbelievably unforgiving, similar to max mode custom nights
I can verify, we are insane.
PLEASE make a follow up going into more detail about Mark cheating 10/20! It was really interesting and I absolutely LOVED the Ace Attorney edits!
Edit: Some of y'all are saying "but he already got all of his points across in this video," and while that probably is true, he said "leave a comment if you want to see a more in-depth explanation on it," which I do.
Honestly, all of the information in the section was all you really need. Making a follow up would just feel like milking it for content.
A whole video that's just ace attorney but with the markiplier cheating thing sounds cool
@@therpderp I get your point but he literally asked if we wanted it... and multiple people have said yes.
Nah, that section was good enough as is. Remember it's not supposed to be a hate piece, and he already got his point across with the inconsistencies.
@@AnarchyMitsukai Ah, that's fair! But hey, it would be another video to 'watch' while I work, and the tea would be more entertaining when given a proper video-length segment :D
the entry about markiplier cheating 10/20 mode is mindblowing, i'm shocked. genuinely shocked.
Bro said: 🤯
Same :(
Markimoo how could you :(
Same, it always sucks when you learn that someone you thought was a genuine person is capable of going to such lengths to cheat and lie. It's disappointing, but not unforgivable as it was almost 10 years ago
fnaf 2 max to this day is considered ultra hard (without UCN) with its chaos. So I don't blame him
Thanks for tagging me on for this! :)
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hi frogger
Your game looks insane dude 😭
u cool
rip mark
People give matpat shit but this truly has ruined my childhoo
It ruins my childhood a bit too but I'll still call him the king of fnaf 👑
@@doomer17o have u finished the video?
@@wumb0neyeah, just did. I'm an idiot lol
9 and a half years ago I was telling people (with no hard evidence at all, naturally) that he cheated 10/20. This video was a transcendental experience for me.
So in one of Mark's Fnaf Revisited livestreams, he learned about camera stalling and that it was in fnaf 1. So he went to test it, but had to start a new game. His chat had to teach him how to add completed days manually through altering the files, and he was practically in shock you could do that. It's way more likely that he just edited the star into the video because he edited his own videos at the time.
Bones never fails to milk himself
The man is absolutely filled to the brim with calcium
Bro what does this mean😭
Pause..
Fr he should leave some for us Ong 🗣️🔥
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It’s finally about time that someone showed that 4/20 mode with Freddy on the stage all night is possible. I want to see more people pushing their limits in FNaF 1 like doing True Old Strat with power, Freddy on the stage all night, etc.
Keeping Freddy on the show stage is how I beat 20/20/20/20. I watched an Ambience video and tried it out and it was quite easy thanks to his video.
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RIP Mobile Ports in Tier 7. We will never get to know about them.
The mobile versions of FNAF games usually had a few more unused or exclusive screens that would appear when starting up the game or dying. I believe there were a few exploits to the mobile ports that weren't present in the main games. You could probably google "FNAF mobile exclusive screens" to see what I mean.
"Markiplier cheated 10/20"
Yeah brah i would too that shit hard asf for no reason 😭
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If I were Mark, at that moment in time.... yeah I'd fuckin splice the footage too lmao.
Yeah, I kinda understand his, that mode is absolute BS
@@Gabriel_Ultrakillhe probably didn’t want to disappoint his fans and knew people would bug him about it if he didn’t beat it, so he just wanted to move on
I'm so happy to see DJ Sterf getting the respect he deserves as well as for you bringing forward other fantastic contributors that I've not heard of. This video is an awesome representation of this community!
The Real King of FNAF ❌
The Round Table of FNAF ✅
One thing I really like about the way UCN fits into the greater story is that all UCN mods, heck, everything on the Max Mode list, could be considered canon. Just the Vengeful Spirit becoming more and more creative in William's torture.
at this point, if will didn't bail out with glitchtrap, he would never reach the truth. (korega agony da)
William:"I won. Again. Just quit already!"
Golden Freddy:"Never!"
I would love a deep dive into the Markiplier 10/20 conspiracy, and maybe a dedicated video would make it slightly more likely that Mark could see it and confirm/deny it lol.
Why would he? It's a video game.
@@cannonbyrd1755
By that logic if he did cheat then it wouldn't matter to him because "it's a game"
He probably doesn’t remember it anymore, and also had deleted all of his old fnaf recordings.
He already said he didnt beat it 2 years ago in his fnaf 2 revisited stream and that it always bothered him that he didnt
@@quintonheimannhe was talking about 50/20 mode in that video markiplier didn't cheat this guys math is just off
11:00 Peak illustration of the Foxy Glitch
I love how everyone freaks out about Marks “king of fnaf” title like he put a ton of thought into it, and crowned himself the king cause he legitimately thought he was the world’s best player.
TheBones5 posing as L is something I never knew I needed
bruh im sitting here like why the fek is he squatting like that that wasnt in ace attourney
never even realised that its supposed to be L
Ya know, after hearing about how much of a nightmare 10/20 is because of Toy Bonnie, I think back to a line I heard a speedrun-tuber say, I forget who exactly said it but it was "cheating isn't done to get better times, it's done to get those times faster"
I'm sure Mark had the skills to actually pull it off, but enough bad RNG can slowly but surely break anyone's morale
Mark also has his big audience to crank out content for, and thus not exactly the time for Toy Bonnie, but still, I think it's ultimately a minor hiccup in one of the cleanest careers among the big-name RUclipsrs (and the original video file is probably long-since wiped from his computer anyways, so it's unlikely there'll be a concrete response if any)
Definitely karl jobst
And at the time of FNAF 2's launch Mark was in the middle of two other very lengthy let's plays (Alien: Isolation and The Evil Within), I can imagine that juggling that and all the other stuff he does for his channel, and having a tough time beating the mode that he decided to say f*ck it and cheated his 10/20 completion so he can get the video out while it was most relevant. It's not great that he cheated, but he's hardly a terrible guy for doing so in that instance either because he wasn't going for a world record or something along those lines. I think it was more of a business decision than anything; to get a video of the completion out while the hype was still going strong.
Mark had a schedule and the difficulty was pushing it. It must've been tempting to draw an extra star in crayon after a devastating late-5am loss.
Karl Jobst 50/20 Markiplier video when?
That quote is wrong, cheating is done to get better times, otherwise they would not cheat. It is a stupid excuse.
In defense of calling Post-Shift 2 the "hardest fnaf fan game"; I think the game deserves its title due to the fact that the ENTIRE game is unfathomably difficult, and not by design. It wasn't the creators intention to make a hard game, instead he made a game with an insurmountable amount of mechanics for a new player to digest for each night. Combine that with unintended RNG factors and you get a punishing, nearly unbeatable experience that almost requires a walkthrough or exploits to beat. The other games that are harder than Post-Shift 2 were designed to be hard. They are mostly mods or reimaginings of existing games with the sole intent to make the max modes impossible, and to me that feels like cheating. I could boot up ClickTeam and make a custom night mod that requires 1,000,000 frame perfect inputs to beat, and as long as it was proven to be possible, it would be deemed the hardest fnaf fan game. Finally, something like Tyke and Sons isn't unfathomably difficult UNTIL 14/22, while Post-Shift 2 is agonizing from start to finish as a complete experience not even including a max mode. In conclusion, I wouldn't consider a singular custom night setting being hard as making the ENTIRE game hard, so in terms of a complete experience with its own lore, multiple endings, and complete set of nights, I would say Post-Shift 2 is among the hardest fnaf fan games out there.
I will mention your point about "booting up clickteam and making the hardest fnaf game" doesn't really count here when it has to be beaten by a human in order to count on the max mode list. If you were able to verifyably do said 1000000 frame perfect inputs to beat the mode, it would (probably) count yeah, but you can't, nor can any other human, so it's just thrown in the TAS-only bin.
yeah but that kinda fucks up when you add in games that are literally nothing but custom nights like ucn recode and deluxe
Yeah, completely true. Other games might have much harder max modes, but Post-Shift 2 is pure pain right out of the box. It's like saying The Last of Us is harder than SMB: The Lost Levels because of Grounded Mode.
I was watching Ultimate FNAF4 and sensed a disturbance in the force. Aha. A new upload, six minutes ago. It pays to be a Bones5 fan.
Ctrl s is actually very very useful in sister location so skip the usually unskippable diologue. Just press it twice and theyll be skipped and the usual stuff that happens at the end of their diologue will start. This is seen in astrallspiff's third marathon
I was waiting for Spigg to be mentioned
Bones never fails to tickle my feet with a feather
I would love to see a deeper dive, as I love in-depth explanations of things. I also find people "going nerdy" on topics very entertaining and informative! 😄
a deep dive on markiplier's 10/20 would be nice!
Man, I love this channel so much. I’m so glad I found it a couple months ago.
Also, funnily enough, Markiplier has mentioned that Fnaf 2 is probably his favorite game in the series. Pretty ironic considering it’s the only one that people consider his max-mode completion to be cheated.
yeah all his other ones are legit, i'm surprised he couldn't do 10/20 when he did SL GFVH. He def has the skill but i guess he was just pressured to get it out
@@TheBones5 Fnaf 2 was when Fnaf really got huge, so I’m guessing he died a lot and got just a little annoyed so he cut it in order to get the video out and be “one of the first.” He was running a few series concurrently as well at the time, so scheduling issues probably collided and the commitment to one of if not the hardest max-mode’s the series has to offer probably didn’t outweigh the benefits.
@@TheBones5 Yeah I do feel like he probably just got pressured into pushing out a video, especially since he had the reputation of being like, the second (third? Can't remember rn) ever person to beat 4/20 in FNAF 1. To be frank, if Mark just came out and said "yeah I cheated the run. Sorry" I don't think it would hurt his reputation really at all. He's contributed so much good to the world that I think most people would simply understand and move on; I certainly would.
@@red.hydrogen actually i think it would hurt. anti-fans exist yk, and those people who would side wth anyone. having a gigantic fanbase is scary
@@TheBones5 I grew up watching mark and do not blame him for giving up but at the same time it does give people who got by it for real more respect
I can’t believe market pliers cheated on five nights at Fredrik 2 edit: wow 100 likes, thanks everyone
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auto correct moment 🤣 edit: thats the joke, ironic
@@superdamariosmgapofficial that isn't auto correct. That is a sense of humour.
@@superdamariosmgapofficial that was attentional
wow thank you for ruining the joke with the edit
39:49 Mark never shines his light down the hallway, meaning the animatronics not being in the hallway is unprovable, upping his odds to 1/2048
Edit: I said 512, but then I realized Toy Chica needed to fail at least one movement opportunity to not go into the vent
41:33 Also, what the Hell is this evidence. “Mark was having a panic attack and edited it out, thus fake”
Edit 2: Damn I suck at math. It’s 2048.
it doesn't really matter if he was having a panic attack or not,he cut the video,which would give him the opportunity to cheat a 10/20 win
@@sd3kcir471 So did literally every other edit in the video though
Thanks
I think you’re missing the point. Even if you take away the circumstantial evidence (cutting the footage at certain points), the case is still not exactly in Mark’s favor. Even if the odds are more along the lines of 1/2048, that’s still incredibly low and unlikely. I don’t hate Mark, but I can’t pretend there isn’t legitimate evidence against him here.
This is the worst defense I have seen. It literally makes no sense.
Babe. Stop everything. Bones5 uploaded.
Babe, wake up! Another TheBones5 upload just dropped!
That’s what I’m saying!
8:46 Springtrap is actually an official name. Scott made a post on steam talking about the early beta testing for fnaf 3 being successful. In the post, he spelled some words wrong by putting two of the same letters where there would only be one. For example, he might’ve said something like “the beta ttesting was successful”. If you take all the repeated letters and put them together, it spells out “My name is Springtrap”
That came AFTER the game was practically finished though
I doubt Scott had Chica, Bonnie, or Foxy ready as names for the animatronics
Bonnie = bunny
Foxy = fox
Chica = chicken
Freddy's name definitely came first since it isn't based around what animal he is (although it was Freddy Bear originally)
"DFGH" means absolutely nothing, Springtrap probably came as he was writing the springlock mechanic into the lore
38:19 something interesting I found is that balloon boy doesn't actually make any sound when moving from the game area to the main hall, I tested this several times in-game and he just disappeared from the game area silently
Also I would totally like to see a full video about Markiplier cheating, because it sounds like something that more people should know about! Also, sneaky Mark you tricked us all!
yea he laughs everytime he moves EXCEPT when moving from the game area
The first part had a few minor mistakes littered in it, but I'm very glad to see that part 2 is much cleaner. Very satisfying watch all around!
I dont know why its so funny to me that the glitched night in fnaf 4 just has zero animatronics, there are so many goofy interpretations
maybe they just got lazy that night and went out for dinner or william just stopped his experiments leaving Michael to remain paranoid for the whole 6 hours
I'm imagining they all went out for a late-night pint at JR's instead
Here's my piece of obscure FNaF knowledge:
UCN and FNaF world have a weird interaction. If you activate the old man consequences easter egg in UCN (By setting his ai to one and completing his minigame.) and you drown in the lake in that minigame, and then open up FNaF world, you will unlock the trophy for the old man consequences ending if you did not previously have it.
I did not discover this, but I can't remember who did.
Game theory maybe?
Matpat did start one of his fnaf videos with it
For Silent Suicide Mouse, there are actually 3 victors (4 now but at the time you made this it would have been 3) because Skerf actually beat it. It just was off camera
Highkey happy i found the channel it’s hella intriguing and enjoyable every watch
honestly i can completely understand why mark would cheat 10/20 especially knowing how hard it was to beat when the game first launched. at the end of the day he's a youtuber on a schedule, if he doesn't get an upload in asap he may lose out on views and may lose the title of "king of fnaf" among his fans.
I agree. Considering that he wasn't uploading the run to a leaderboard of some sort (and that this was almost a decade ago) I can also give him the pass on his (likely) cheated run. If it was some sort of "I beat the game first, I'm the best in the world!" type of thing, it would be a bigger deal. But it was just a dude playing the game for fun, and he was uploading it to RUclips. If Mark did cheat, I still think he shouldn't have done that, but if anybody wants to cancel him or otherwise punish him for a cheated casual playthrough today, then that's going a little too far.
i think the more obvious tell for Mark cheating is how quickly he went from 5 to 6- hardly as long as a whole hour with the clip length
It is not clear that Mark cheated. I need more proof than that. Plus that was in 2014 probably on a different build. I need more proof that you're giving. Everyone else may be so quick to believe but I'm not. Its just not something Mark would really do
In defense of Markiplier (not that your argument isn't compelling or that I believe Markiplier is some perfectly honest man)
1: Markiplier has received a multitude of unlikely events in his time with these games. Receiving Golden Freddy on his first run of FNAF 1, getting RWQ, JJ, etc. It is therefore possible that all the toys failed their opportunities.
2: Markiplier has completed worse challenges than 10/20, to include pre patch SL Night 4, it seems odd that he would cheat here of all places.
What's the opposite of the gambler's fallacy?
Those points do NOT attack the argument that mark cheated.In fact,it only makes it look more suspicious.
I hate to break it to you but night 4 prepatch is NOT a hard as hard as people have made it out to be, the pre patch version of it is practically identical to the current patch on night 4
yeah but SL 10/20 has no rng fnaf 2 10/20 with his strat does he has hella reason to cheat ohlookitsfnaf's strat sucks
People don't cheat to get good results; they cheat to get good results faster. As an example, SpaceUK (known for being the focus of the biggest hacking scandal in Geometry Dash history) had beaten every demon prior to his accidental hacking of The Golden entirely legitimately, and his noclip run was convincing enough (at the time) to pass off as legit. He was also able to beat Kenos legit before he just started hacking everything. He absolutely had the skill to beat all those top extremes; he just didn't want to invest all that time. Just because someone is good doesn't mean they should be completely above suspicion.
I would definitely love to see a deep dive on the markiplier entry! It’s very interesting and since it’s so long ago it’s kinda also funny to look back on; I like mark and genuinely want to know if he faked it not even to get mad but just because it’s interesting and I want to know the answer; ik he’s probably not going to say anything but if he did admit to it that would be cool and just kinda funny bc it was so long ago and we know he’s good Fnaf games anyway; myf im rambling 💀 I like ur videos! 👍
The MML glazing is insane, TheBones5 really never fails tickling his superiors tips.
43:38 I'd watch a video like that
As someone watching this late at night, I appreciate the chill vibes of the lower tiers as opposed to typical iceberg videos trying to make them as creepy as possible for no reason
homy shit is this video insane as also me being innit. Thank you Thebones so much like I actually cried 😢
Ctrl+S is actually pretty useful in Sister Location. Certain events like with hand unit are tied to audio so you can mute and unmute to skip dialogue and get to the rest of the night faster
This is probably my favorite Fnaf channel because of the high focus on max modes. I play the main 7 Fnaf games with the only goal being to beat every max mode. So far I finished the first three and I’m working on Saturday on pizza sim. Keep it up!
I literally cant believe that Markplier cheated 10/20. I will never trust anyone else, including my family and myself.
Jokes aside, it would be kinda funny. 10 years and just now people discovered it (idk if other people gave proofs like TheBones5 did). Well, its not like he and most of us would care anyways.
I have found people discussing that as early as 2015, but they were constantly being downvoted on Reddit by salty fans.
It's definitely not just now being discovered
Fun fact: Ultra Custom Night’s max mode is the TRUE hardest max mode, in that it is literally impossible (although I’m pretty sure that’s the fault of a single animatronic, though even without said animatronic I’m pretty sure that it’s either still impossible, or only possible via a perfect luck TAS. The main chalenge of Ultra Custom Night is actually how many you can do).
No one considers it to be the hardest maxmode as it never has and never will be beaten due to being physically impossible
That is to say not even a TAS is capable of beating it
HESBACKHESBACKHES ACK I just watched your last iceberg the other week after stumbling upon your challenge runs, and really enjoyed the way you covered the games
Sweet vid 🐐 next can we get a vid going through the top 10-15-20-whatever entries on the main Maxmodelist?
7:17 chica be like “gimme a hug”
Enjoyed both parts of the iceberg! Wishing for your continued success bro
I always thought the transitions in Mark's video were weird, even when it dropped 10 years ago. Crazy stuff! I think it warrants its own video, not to hate on Mark, but I just think it adds to the story of how crazy the hype train was back then.
I would like to see a dedicated video to the Markiplier 10/20 run, mainly because I think it’s a topic that deserves it’s own video outside of the technical fnaf stuff
Also, at 36:29, we hear a buzzing like it happens at the beginning of the blackout when no animatronics were present at the puppet room, but when he flips down the camera, buzzing stops and there is no blackout
I like that for the last part of the iceberg its not really an entry and more just a shoutout to all the hardworking players that made technical fnaf what it is today
Like always, great video!
Bro what is that Frogger section 😭 crazy plug
Why are these comments thinking bones5 is making a big deal about mark cheating when this is literally an ICE BERG video
You’d need to compare mark’s other videos of the time to see his crossfade tendencies in order to really use that as ammunition for him cheating.
I think the odds are insane, yeah, but it’s still entirely possible.
I give it a 30% chance he cheated, but I wouldn’t be too terribly surprised if he did.
39:59 Um… no. He never successfully shines his light down the hallway in the clip. He tries and fails after dealing with Freddy, with the noise for an animatronic moving in the hallway playing, then doesn’t get another chance after that because he beats the night. Saying Toy Freddy has higher priority than Withered Foxy doesn’t matter *if he doesn’t see Withered Foxy.*
39:55 And again, Toy Chica never appears in the hallway because Mark never looks down the hallway. She still needs to fail once so she doesn’t go into the vent, but that makes 4 times you claimed movement opportunities would need to fail that they wouldn’t, which is 1024 times the actual amount.
This makes his odds 1/1024, which is very possible
40:58 theres also a 1/2 chance for golden Freddy to appear on 5 second interval every time you pull down the monitor which even lowers the chance even more
Golden turns invisible during blackouts
i swear in fnaf 1 these robots could stare directly at the camera on stage i guess alternate universe
38:45 I mean, Chica enters cam 6 by leaving cam 2 and vice versa. I even tested it myself in FNaF 2 and she only makes one vent sound cue, so idk what you're talking about
Nobody said this enough but i loved ur budget L cosplay
The mark part is like me when i come up with the best response to someone roasting me 9 years later
the whole markiplier section reminds me of when i played Spooky's and somehow got the best possible luck in the game throughout the entire thing and beat it. i do not remember all of it as i wasn't recording, it was a while ago, and i didn't bother to look up the ai technicalities of the game. I also lost interest soon after completion so i've never really done a deep dive into what i do remember and how it was possible, but essentially i did not look at specimen 6 at any point throughout the entire game and just ran away from him, but i was never attacked. at all. from what the friend i was playing with told me, i believe this is a very low chance? or maybe the game glitched, i don't know. there was also some sort of instance with specimen 12 not killing me when he should have, and other characters despawning far before they were supposed to. the first instance i described with 6 i'm mostly sure of, the others are more hazy. if anyone knows the AI of Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion, please do explain to me how that happened. Also, I'm not necessarily saying this happened to Mark i was just thinking it could have been a glitch, but then bones showed the whole star thingy so
Honestly? I’ve been thinking about this, and especially based on how Mark starts his video, if he DID fake it: I think it was honestly only because he’d already done it off camera. And tried to do it again on-camera, but got too annoyed/tired.
He does start the video talking about how he’s been practicing all morning and how he’s “thinks he can almost do it” but also: he says this in an adrenaline filled kind of way, that makes me think he may have just come off of JUST beating it.
Honestly, the idea of Mark editing the code is what makes me most sceptical here. 🤔 He’s just not that kinda guy: it’s all personal gratification rather than social achievement for him.
(Many examples of him doing shit like this when he’s interested in something, but him solo-ing GTFO levels 1 and 2 most come to mind. Nothing really to gain, he just got interred in it and was curious to see if he COULD do it. -If his body could take it- )
Beating it off camera and then being unable to redo it again that day, however? Yeah, that fits. His ADHD makes him impatient and for it hard to concentrate on things that aren’t stimulating: him already beating it making him less focused, making him unable to re-beat it, and him being unable to re-beat it enhancing his frustration? Making him even less focused? Rinse repeat? Before he eventually quits?
Yeah, that actually fits the Mark I know lol.
I accidentally "killed" foxy once while playing night 5 on my grandma's ipad when the first mobile releases came out. I was scared as hell, but it allowed me to beat it.
i literally just watched the tech iceberg part 1 today lo
i like to think FNAF4 Night 9 is just a good nights rest for Mike where he has a peaceful and boring dream after survivng his nightmares
i get the feeling that the max mode list was inspired by the demonlist
Best technical fnaf content maker!
27:56 FIRE IN THE HOLE!
What is also sus is when you compare his celebration in Fnaf 2's 10/20 vs Fnaf 3 and especially Fnaf 1, his reaction is closer to Fbnf 3, when in reality he should really be screaming like he was in Fnaf 1
I haven't played these games in years and it took tier 7 for me to find something I didn't know (hopeless persuit). Now waiting to see if there's a tier I know nothing on.
Edit: tier 10. Tier 10 was the first where I didn't know anything.
Never expected TheBones5 Wright to show himself, but I'm all for it
It is odd markplier in fnaf 2 does not have the other rewards like the plushies on his desk and only did 20/20/20/20 mode off camera plus the way he acted when he seen the third star pretty much gives it away in the 5:38 part of mark video he only has 2 stars
If im being honest
I dont blame mark for cheating, that mode is Kaizo teir in terms of difficulty
Lmfao the person who commented on markipliers 10/20 vid saying that fnaf 2 was the hardest max mode to beat has since recognized that they have been in your video and edited their reply to say that being wrong is okay sometimes 😭
HAHAHAHA
bro hearing gd demon list terms used in fnaf games feels so weird, the word "top 1", and "verified" specificallg just hit different
What's up with the ringing sounds it's hurting my ears
15:25 it’s interesting how the ai cap is represented by what basically is the game’s secret main antagonist
a part of me wants to make a fnaf style game, but even if i could actually figure out how godot works (only engine i'd consider using since it's free.) i know i could never make a max mode worth playing because it would either be too easy or too hard for me to beat. i suck at games (odd considering i've spent my whole life playing them.) and i wouldn't want to make one i couldn't beat. ofc i can only make mediocre scratch stuff so i guess i don't have to worry about that.
32:58 ADHD simulator
As someone diagnosed with ADHD I can confirm that you ain't even wrong 😭
I would love to see more stuff on the max mode community!
Yep, today is a gooooood day.
-That one character from Animal Crossing
I love that return to dreamland music
Low key I don’t care he cheated if I tried for 9 hours to no avail I would cheat too. There was no technique making it easier 9 years ago.
this video is insane!
36:05 he doesnt stop 😲
i would love a full video on markiplier, but ONLY if it's done in AA style lmao. great video!
you should do a video covering the main list and why they are so hard i looked into the list and all i see is intense gameplay and cant tell the difference between each max modes and why they are harder from one another
Mister Bones V, please create a video breaking down Markiplier’s 10/20 run. I cannot rest until the truth is unearthed.