Join the discord! : discord.gg/muttarmy I made a mistake at 12:57, the animatronics move if the number generated is lower than the animatronics AI value, not higher. I can't believe I've said this in so many videos and forgot it here I noticed that I missed two entries in this video on tier 5, I'll cover them in part two. Also flumpty’s is made in game maker, not clickteam, my bad Expect part 2 to come out either after the next challenge video, or after the UCN video, depending on how far along the UCN animation is by that point.
With how people see Markiplier celebrate after all his "custom night" modes, we have to remember when he completed them, the games were still new. A lot of the new strategy to beat the 7th nights a lot easier were not around when people first played the game when they came out. That's also the reason why people see them as hard, the easy strategies weren't known yet.
Yes, every time he says the custom nights are easy he says something like "with this strategy you can win almost every time" but there was no strategy then, and any person now who try the game without any knowledge of those startegies will have a hard time beating them
I can't really blame people for thinking fnaf 2 max mode is impossible, on a game design standpoint, the game sucks horribly; you shouldn't need a freaking timer, use exploits, and all of this hidden knowledge in order to defeat the challenge, especially since golden freddy isn't even capped correctly, the actual 10/20 is much less agonizing.
10/20 is definitely the worst, I would classify the use of a timer as an exploit, due to none being given to you in game. Beating it legit w/o a timer is ridiculous.
Tbf, chickenninja wasn't _responsible_ for postshift 2 being called the hardest fan game, he was told that by a lot of comments on a video where he called Mechanism hard
on top of that a lot of mainstream fnaf youtubers also called it the hardest fnaf fan game, i heavily doubt chickenninja was that serious about his claim given how many fnaf fan games there are
Also post shift 2 is flat hard to beat, a completely different sentence from "this is the hardest challenge mode". There are VERY different ways of measuring the difficulty of a game, and using just this ONE interpretation to laugh at it being considered the hardest is flat stupid and elitist. I don't really care about whether it is the hardest by any metric, I just hate how the list made is just flat wrong because it only cares about one single aspect to claim multiple games are harder therefore it can't be the hardest. I am sure you can pick any souls game in the soulsborne series and find a way it is the most difficult, because Dark Souls 2 is simultaneously one of the easiest to no-hit and beat outright, and the hardest to no hit if you beat ALL bosses.
@@lunaw2174 I thought so too. Post-Shift 2 has made every night a living hell with poor tutorials, leaving you sitting for hours or days on just one night before you even understand it. Most fangames on the list only have a single extra hard night that surpasses Post-Shift 2, but the main game can be beaten easily.
Yeah, but it is a legitimately difficult game. "Impossible" does not translate to "difficult," and the patched version of ps2 is fair to beat. Similar to how 50/20 mode is difficult, but it is beatable and pretty well-made.
I think ChickenNinja saying PS2 is the hardest fnaf game is relatively fine for the non ball sweaty community. Most people have never even finished a fnaf game let alone heard of the harder games.
There are a few that are still well known and harder, base FNAC 3 has final night all challenges, Five Night's At Chuck E Cheese rebooted has like 18 million different max modes, twisted 27 from animators hell, obiltus casa etc. i'd say are all pretty well known
@@TheBones5 Excluding mods, the hardest modes completed (including self imposed challenges) are True Nightmare All Challenges from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, 70/40 Mode from Ultimate Nintendo Night 2, GRADUATION DAY from Shifts at Big Q's, True Nightmare Aggressive Long Nights from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, and Final Night All Challenges No Stalling from Five Nights at Candy's 3 :p
@@TheBones5 btw if i remember correctly chicken ninja himself even calls the game "what is commonly knows as the hardest fnaf fan game" which is kind of accurate since most of the fnaf community do think PS2 is the hardest fnaf fan game.
I feel like not enough people know that Foxy is stalled by using any cam in FNAF 1, not just the camera facing Pirate’s Cove. Meanwhile Freddy is stalled by directly looking at him, so you can stall both Freddy and Foxy by just looking at Freddy.
You can basically find that trivia plastered over every comment section if the content creator happens to not know of it. But yeah it'll be unknown to anybody that has only surface level knowledge of the game. Tons of people _to this day_ have no idea how Freddy works
@@namesmitt I already know this creator knows (it would be damn crazy if they didn’t know XD), I just mean that it should be on the iceberg. This trivia only became recently well known within very recent years, surprisingly enough, so TONS of fans still don’t know it.
@namesmitt I feel like fnaf freddy, springtrap in fnaf 3, and fredbear in fnaf 4 are some of the most overly complicated ai for literally no reason. Like yeah once you understand how they work its not bad but for someone like me who doesn't know I just do what the tutorials online say to the best of my ability and hope it works.
Let out an audible "fuck yes" seeing this pop up in my subscriptions feed. The weird technical side of FNaF games is a topic that deeply intrigues me, and you're always great at explaining it. Can't wait to watch this.
I dont think ChickenNinja should be knocked for thinking that Post-shift 2 is the hardest fnaf game, given he isn't really part of the max mode community not to mention, in the heat of the moment, anything can feel like the hardest (like penors ahaha)
Not only that, it was the pre-patched version of Post-Shift 2, and other people swore above earth and back that it was the hardest game, this video didn't really state that it was version 1.0
plus, it being so hard was what he was *told,* other people told him it was the hardest fnaf fan game and so he said it was too. also, if you were to compare a single night in post-shift 2 to a single *normal* night in any random fnaf game, chances are post-shift is gonna be the more difficult one of the two, base game, both pre/post patch, post-shift 2 vs 'the hardest challenge modes' are an unfair comparison.
Yeah, and that game doesn’t have a custom night, just the base game is as hard as it is which makes it even more impressive that stage 05 half speed is above some actual max modes like insanity 6/15 or sister location 10/20
So What? The Master King Koco Trial Because Of The Perfect Parry Is Considered The Hardest Mode In The Sonic Franchise, Yet I Beat It In 3 Trys And I Learned The Timing. Heck, I'm On My Way To Beat Post Patch With If Not All Attacks Getting Parried. So Skill Issue If You Say That. If You Do Say It Watch Others And See How Yes It Is.
Yeah, mods shouldn't even be considered as fnaf fan games anyways. Most of the mods mentioned are specifically designed to make the games much harder, and the ones that aren't mods are either only difficult because of custom nights or because they're an obscure fnaf fan game that probably isn't made well. Seriously, what the fuck is a "five nights at thug hunter's" ???
hey bones, i think you didn't to chickeninja justice in the PS2 part if you remember his video, the main point of it was to show how hard the game is because of how bad it was at explaining what to do, and the main challenge of the run was to beat it without googling and asking anyone about it, going off of just what the game tells him even though it might be easier than a lot of games when you have a cheese strat, it definitely hits way harder without one - something that can't be said about some of the more known fan games in the list, like the FNAC series correct me if im wrong but i believe this was the reason chickeninja referred to PS2 as the hardest fan game.
Yeah, the game does a terrible job explaining its mechanics that when you don’t have a guide or prior knowledge on it, the game can be extremely challenging to figure out- even to some more veteran players. That’s the biggest reason it’s hard and I’m sure that’s what CN meant.
@@serixskylarkyeah, its a main theme of the video which he mentions alot, such as "and the tutorial isnt helpful one bit" for one of the nights. It still looks really hard by itself, but going into it with a big barrier, the internet being gone is so much harder. Like 50/20 felt impossible at the beginning, cause there WAS no guides or anything, it was still being searched.
@@corneredconnection I remember that fact because I watched the video when he dropped it and also found the tutorials to be incredibly confusing just watching someone try to figure it out 😭
Im so happy the “Technical Fnaf” community is becoming a more mainstream element of the broader fnaf community. Ive always been fascinated with these games and their mechanics, down to their code. Especially in games like FNaF 4 and 6. This video was very informative and showcased a very clear understanding of these games. Cant wait for part 2.🎉
I also love explaining to people that 20/20/20/20 mode has a very distinct (and abuseable) advantage over any other difficulty: the animatronics only stay at your door for a very brief moment no matter what. Meanwhile in 1/1/1/1, the animatronics can stay at your doors for hours
12:57 small correction, it moves if the number generated is lower than the animatronic's AI value, not higher. If the number had to be higher than he AI value, then at AI 1 they'd almost always succeed and on AI 20 they'd never succeed.
I don’t think 1 FPS is a glitch, it’s an exploit, it’s not breaking any mechanics of the game, the game is still working, and somewhat playable, it’s just at a lower frame rate. AsumSaus has a great video discussing Glitch vs Exploits, in his “Is Wavedashing a Glitch?” video.
I believe that the other main lasting effect of Tech Rules is that he coined the term "movement opportunity", as I've never not heard anyone use it since. Also, I'm with others on needing a bit of a clarification: Is that 90th position pre- or post-patch? Because ChickenNinja was specifically playing pre-patch PS2.
Honestly I think post shift 2 should be called the most difficult fnaf fangame to understand instead of being the hardest ... I had 23 differents seizures reading the tutorials lmao, or maybe I just have terrible reading comprehension
14:35 the problem with the idea that post shift 2 is the hardest fnaf fan game is that it comes down to people finding a good player without having the full knowledge of the skilled side of fnaf's fan games and taking his OPINION as facts
Crazy how much internal work and effort is put into this click team games, I think it’s what truly makes the series shine and allows for countless strategies and techniques for beating the game in, the variety carries the replay-ability IMO
the thing about 10/20 mode is that much earlier on in the franchise's history it was definitely seen as EXTREMELY luck based. even by the time fnaf2 came out people were already saying fnaf1 actually isnt that hard, but even by the time sister location came out 10/20 mode was still regarded as extremely luck based by huge portions of people. nowadays we know so much more about it than we did almost 10 years ago, but those misconceptions from 10 years ago continue to be spread widely
Hey! I'm outing myself as the person who made that comment about 10/20 mode being the hardest Max mode! The reason I thought this was not because of Markiplier. I thought this because I watched the 10/20 guide and the 50/20 guide from DJ Sterf. I'm not sure if the 10/20 strategy he laid out has since been outdated or if I was comparing apples and oranges by comparing 10/20 and 50/20. I have since learned my lesson and a lot of pro gamers have smacked me into submission in the replies. I have since recovered from my ignorance. I would apologize, but I ended up in a FNAF RUclipsr video. No regrets here.
With hundreds or even thousands of FNAF games, Post Shift 2 places in the smallest marginal percentile of the hardest FNAF games. And it is hard for unique reasons, just as any of the other top 100 hardest FNAF fan games. I can excuse people assuming PS2 is the hardest because of this, especially considering that majority of the hardest games are fan games of fan games or something no one has ever heard of
Especially since most of the games that were listed to be harder are just "Better" or "Improved" versions of existing games that were designed give the player a headache with how much they would have to juggle mentally, along with getting screamed in their face every other minute or so.
@@abm2137 I said MOST, not all. Oblitus Casa is a damn good game though, from what I've seen. But take the entire clip for all it's worth, and you get multiple games that are made to be testicular cancer for the average fnaf fan. Yes, I know the Max Mode list is made for those who wish to contract such conditions, but most of them are under the hood reworks that only select few who actively look out for them would play.
I don’t think many people call Mark the best in a serious manner, more of following the internet meme that’s lasted ever since he beat 4/20. He himself likely doesn’t think he’s the best player and gave up trying these challenges since he had other things to focus on, and would definitely agree that there’s better players.
As an avid viewer of Iceberg videos, this is genuinely one of the coolest icebergs I've seen in recent memory. Your knowledge on FNaF's technical aspects has always impressed me, so seeing an iceberg based entirely around said topic is really cool, plus it's refreshing to see an iceberg purely about cool technical aspects of the games instead of lore and theories and the like (not saying those are bad, just that it's refreshing to see something unique). I'm most definitely looking forward to part 2, where the most interesting facts and secrets reside.
11:57 Isn't cam stalling the term for freezing animatronics by keeping your camera on them (Freddy in FNaF1, the plushie animatronics in UCN) and office stalling the term for delaying/avoiding animatronics by refusing to pull up the cameras? That's what I've always heard.
@@TheBones5 Fair, it's just not what I'm used to it being referred to as. These things are ultimately all colloquial, though, of course. Isn't exactly a manual or dictionary.
Just to make this clear, chickenninja said that post shift 2 is the hardest FNAF fan game because there are so many impossible combos of animatronics and the walking animations. I think he meant that its hard to beat it consistently because of the RNG of the game.
@@CartoDarko sure, there's rare cases in which you die but its mostly skill based it is quite literally just a case of the better you are the less rng it is
Something with ctrl+s is that it also skips dialogue in Sister Location. It's because it's a general shortcut built into Clickteam itself and mutes audio. No idea why it skips the salvage tho tbh, guess it needs to play the beginning of Henry's message to start the salvage.
For all the people who call the max mode community “elitist”. People need to stop and realize that bones, and the max mode community as a whole aren’t being rude or elitist. They are simply poking fun. As someone who beat 14/22, AND post shift 2, post shift was miles easier. I promise you they are not elitist, the people I’ve talked to were extremely welcoming and nice.
The technical FNAF community sounds elitist as FUCK lmao who cares if ChickenNinja said Post Shift 2 was the hardest? You don't gotta go ranking every other harder game. And Markiplier has repeatedly JOKED about being the king of FNAF. He knows he ain't the best
It really isn't, the point of CN saying PS2 is the hardest isn't a jab at CN specifically it's more so to prove the point of PS2 NOT being the hardest FNaF game since due to CN saying that, a lot of people think it is.
Yeah that’s the vibe I’m getting from watching this video. Like I’m sorry I don’t know that Five Night’s of Say Gex 3 with 5 downloads on steam is actually the hardest fnaf game. He did seem to hate on Markiplier despite saying he doesn’t. Like chill bro, everyone knows his king of fnaf title is just a joke. He is an entertainer, not a challenge runner, he was just saying that because he beat these max modes when the game was still new and all these fancy modern strategies didn’t exist. They called him that because he made it look entertaining, like you don’t need to have such a stick up your @ss.
13:20 TBF those videos were talking specifically about being the hardest fan game if going in blind. Much of Post Shift 2's difficulty is merely how obtuse it is to work out the mechanics on your own from the bad game descriptions. It's still definitely hyperbole, but it does contextualize where a lot of the difficulty came from.
I feel bad for the guy who beat 50/20 before Dawko. The fact that he won first and still didn't get the interview with Scott, or even get over 20k subs, is just so upsetting. All of that hard work and dedication an now nobody knows his name. I'm not mad at Dawko or Scott or anyone, but fuck, talk about being shafted.
Correction on GD, it's possible to create pseudorandomness based on detecting how long the player has held down the input on the current attempt, which is used in levels like Limbo and The Art of the Blade. As of Update 2.2 the random trigger has also been added, which might be used in new top levels.
I think Markiplier being the king of FNAF over time (to me) has meant more that because of him, FNAF is a lot more popular than I think it would have ever been, tons of people attribute his playthrough of the first game to be the reason why FNAF took off at all. He's definitely a grandmaster, Just like how a lot of people would consider Dawko, DJsterf, Chickennija, etc etc
Yeah everyone knows to not take his title literally. It’s just a hype up thing since he is an entertainer instead of challenge runner, and he made the game look fun. Even at 14 I knew he wasn’t actually the best fnaf player.
While I get your reasoning for the dissection of "Markiplier is the king of Fnaf", it really feels like you are downplaying how impressive it was at the time. Just because we now 10 years later know how the games works in and out, doesn't mean that Marks feats weren't impressive, and especially for the time. Just because we know of several strats now that render it very manageable, doesn't mean it isn't impressive. I think it's impressive he did it without an in-depth knowledge of the technical aspect as we do now, and he has the moniker more because of his consistency in being able to do these, while also at the same time it being uncommon for people to do this
I agree, it really is sad how little he really considers this and is definitely throwing in as much about mark in there as he can for his own gain too, including eluding to him somehow faking his 10/20 completion. I'm noticing that Bones does definitely have the ego of someone who got into fnaf well after all these strats came out so now all he has to do is study the work that other people did for him, and that somehow makes him the best and all knowing or the one who decides what is and isn't impressive with total disregard for the differences in time periods. Him downplaying the whole Markiplier thing is like downplaying the moon landing as easy and not much of an accomplishment because now we have technology 100x more advanced than the computers they used to get there in the first place.
@@slavprinceuro Here's a document proving that Markiplier cheated his 10/20 completion: docs.google.com/document/d/1bcYibWNt8fSbRJyWF3bjqpWvZoQzKF_7-c4SQiXkb_I/edit?usp=sharing Here's a video of me completing 4/20 with his strategy in 20 minutes and 45 seconds: ruclips.net/video/mqIhygi1CNA/видео.htmlsi=gIK0dga2FTdG2HSO
@TheBones5 after reading the document and seeing markipleirs video I do unfortunately that the fnaf 2 allegation probably might be true, though all it really does is just make my day worse as I doubt this'll be a huge controversy. I still think that just because you beating the fnaf 1 20/20/20/20 with the old strategy changes anything. Sure it is an easy strategy but that doesn't discredit his achievement there, I know and agree that when comparing purely skill that markiplier isn't that good, but he still beat fnaf 1s max mode, and even with that strategy someone not as experienced as you would still probably find it challenging. I tried my best to make a fair argument and stuff, I do not mean any ill will as I do genuinely agree that his fnaf 2 max completion is iffy , when compared to when he beat fnaf 1, and that by skill he isn't the king of fnaf. But I disagree of discrediting his genuine accomplishment, even if it is easy today or as easy as it was back when fnaf 1 realeased, it is still a max mode completion.
@@TheBones5 Your evidence is literally just 'he used a crossfade lol' and a load of numbers. It doesn't prove a thing except for the fact he was really lucky.
The Bonnie teleporting one kinda confuses me cause that connection, makes sense in my head? It is a bit of a jump, but Pirate Cove feels far enough out of the way that it'd make sense for Bonnie to be able to beeline to the hall like that
The Dining Area to West Hall wasn’t a good example. Movements that people have actually considered “teleporting” was Backstage -> West Hall, Closet -> Left Door, or Left Door -> Dining Area
funny thing about DJ Sterf was when Markiplier questioned why Sterf's name was in the credits of RUIN while no other content creators were attributed. Not aware of the fact that Sturf was a PLAYTESTER and submitted over (I believe Sterf said) 3,000 bugs. Sterf is a goat, a devout christian man playing fnaf with a ddr pad while also juggling is just unfathomably based. Love that guy
I don't think anyone who calls mark the "king of fnaf" actually thinks he's the best at the games skill wise though lol. He's just the king because well, he earned it, it's his claim to fame in the community
One thing you could of mentioned is how freddy and foxy work in fnaf 1, now it's really common knowledge, but a lot of new players/ people who just watch videos dont seem to understand that camera stalling exists, or that you dont have to look at foxy's camera to keep him from attacking, just use the cameras
Good video but now i'm wondering if the "Markipiler cheated 10/20" entry has any truth to it or if it's just one of those joke/conspiracy theories entries that a lot of icebregs have.
It’s the only “max mode” competition where the run is spliced, doesn’t have any Toy Animatronics at the later end of the night, and he celebrates about getting the 3rd star when that’s the reward for 4/20.
@@Andycandyman24 After the last jumpcut at 5am, there’s no Toy animatronics for the final 18 seconds until 6am. That could be coincidental, sure, but that’s 5 robots unaccounted for, and you don’t hear Mangle or BB moving either. The 3rd star is definitely the weakest point, as he could have just done 4/20 as a warmup or whatever. We don’t know. But it lines up with the theory that his night win was actually 4/20, and there is another jumpcut between the main menu, and mark showing his stars on the custom night screen, leaving room for potential editing to occur. Also just an FYI that I’m not rooting against Mark here; I do want to believe he did it legit, as with literally anybody else, but there is reasonable suspicion to be had here.
@@namesmitt i decide to watch the video again and what you said about toys is true unless Toy Bonnie was the one who attacked him when fading in to the clip but i can't tell for sure. For the third star thing i swear you got it by beating 10/20 but i could be wrong but the thing i think is more inportant is after he beats 10/20 he does show Golden Freddy mode after beating it with the stars next to it and while there is a cut the only way he could have the stars and still be cheating would be to use the CD+ trick or to edit the game files.
I don't know if I'm the only person I noticed this but at 19:38 if you pause at that frame you can see that Golden Freddy is actually floating off the floor and not touching the ground
Challenge suggestion to break the bank: beat FNAF 1 (up to max mode of course) in as many devices as possible at the same time. I think it's at least on the PC, Switch, mobile, PS4 and Xbox One. Bonus points if done in a rotating chair with the devices in a 360 setup.
@@FishwicksREAL I said "No, not really" since for most part, it isn't toxic or elitist. Obviously, in a community based on figuring out the smallest details to optimize things as much as possible there are going to be elitist people. I fail to see your point of my original message being dickish since it is literally just the equivalent of "No, most people aren't"
great video but at 22:19 when you showed onaf 2 as an example of a clickteam game, that kind of bugged me considering they are all made in gamemaker studio
I don't believe the claim for a second, myself. Night 6 alone is ridiculously hard and BS (furthest I've ever got is 3 AM), 10/20 just can't be the easiest max mode. 4/20 is. Night 6 literally made me hate FNAF 2 with a burning passion. Night 4 was bad enough, but I literally spent like 3 whole videos trying to beat Night 6, and I don't edit. I got so mad I basically rage quit. Haven't touched the game since, and this was well over a year ago IIRC. Sorry that this turned into a rant. Once I get going, I find it hard to stop.
New to the channel, just watched the Fnaflocke video and Im impressed. I beat 50/20 mode UCN and i thought that was peak Fnaf in terms of technical challenge. This video along with the Fnaflocke have inspired me to get back into it and try new challenges. Good stuff man.
Ctrl+S is a built-in feature of Clickteam that mutes the audio of the game, which messes with some audio-based triggers in the game. Besides salvages, it's also very useful in FNAF 3 and 4 to mute the background noise, and in FNAF SL to skip talking sections.
Chicken man probably said post shift 2 is the hard bc unless you're a mega ocean filling sweat, you haven't heard of a third of those games you mentioned
Or just have basic knowledge on the most popular FNAF fan games. FNAC 3, FNACECR, Oblitus Casa, Animator's Hell for example, are all more well known than Post-Shift 2.
@@sunkenxnI’ve been in this community since the first game came out and the only one of those you listed that I knew of was fnac 3. It’s not as common as you think.
26:10 I dont think its actually meant to skip salvages, since its just a click team code that disables sound. I think it skips the salvage because it relies on the audio to end so if you disable it you will skip the audio and win.
8:54 That 50 frames to 1050 frames "movement opportunity time" listed for Foxy is actually for the reset function of his locked value (What causes Foxy to force-fail movement opportunities at even A.I. Level 20.). Also not to mention the listed movement opportunity times for Freddy Bonnie & Chica are wrong as well (For example, 299/60 equals 4.98333... and NOT 4.97.).
That’s not even touching on the fact that everyone’s movement intervals are TIMERS and NOT frame-based. He flopped so hard on that section I’m actually baffled
The problem with post shift 2 isn’t that it’s the absolute peak of fnaf fan game difficulty. It’s the fact that it’s pretty high up there, for every single night. There isn’t one insanely hard max mode challenge, the game itself is just difficult. If for example you instead created a general difficulty list that was just based off of beating the primary nights and ignored any additional challenges and max modes ps2 would probably be very high on that list.
I remember there was a joke speedrun for FNAF 1 that just had the runner spamming CD+ each night until the game was beaten. As of now there are legitimate ways to speedrun FNAF 1, such as skipping the opening cutscene.
Wow, this is actually a really good video dude! Im not kidding, this is so GOOD. I really like this iceberg. I'm also glad that you are spreading awareness of the MML community. Absolutely amazing video. Keep it up!
i see markiplier as the king of fnaf in the sense that he was one of the biggest and first steps in popularizing it. and he kept that popularity going, along with other huge youtubers and especially matpat. he was also playing every gane when they first released, with no very technical knowledge. i dont think hes the best at fnaf but i do think hes an extremly important figure in the community who beat most of the games mist difficult options in an actually difficult way bk he was just a normal gamer and not sonebody who knew code ir technicality or anything like that still, the peopke who are actuslly the best at this gane still absolutely deserve recognition
I’m really surprised nobody says anything about it but you don’t need to have your mouse over toy Freddy nose in fnaf 2 while doing CD+ you can have your mouse anywhere. Also, you don’t need to hold the buttons for a certain amount of time, it only activates when ‘C’, ‘D’ and ‘+’ are held at the same time
@@namesmitt Personally, that wasn't as bad of a mistake since anyone who actually played the game would have known that was wrong, whereas the mistake of saying Foxy's A.I. on Night 6 was 16 wouldn't have been as obvious.
I spent an hour and a half on pre nerf night 4 and was very happy to have my gold star showing I completed it before the patch. so aggrivating. the springlocks would just go all the way loose with like. 2 shakes.
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I made a mistake at 12:57, the animatronics move if the number generated is lower than the animatronics AI value, not higher. I can't believe I've said this in so many videos and forgot it here
I noticed that I missed two entries in this video on tier 5, I'll cover them in part two.
Also flumpty’s is made in game maker, not clickteam, my bad
Expect part 2 to come out either after the next challenge video, or after the UCN video, depending on how far along the UCN animation is by that point.
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Can You Make A Vid Of Fnaf 4 Without Audio, Or Fnaf 3 No Audio Lures
I was confused when you said that yeah
That would mean animatronics almost never move LMAO
Just commented that without reading this 💀
@@theastonvillaseal585 damn 💀
With how people see Markiplier celebrate after all his "custom night" modes, we have to remember when he completed them, the games were still new. A lot of the new strategy to beat the 7th nights a lot easier were not around when people first played the game when they came out. That's also the reason why people see them as hard, the easy strategies weren't known yet.
Markiplier also refuses to use cheese strats like cam 4b
Yes, every time he says the custom nights are easy he says something like "with this strategy you can win almost every time" but there was no strategy then, and any person now who try the game without any knowledge of those startegies will have a hard time beating them
Thats why he is known as the KING of FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!
@@kyzerbuhnzi6403 ruclips.net/video/mqIhygi1CNA/видео.htmlsi=8AQXyFv0PytnA18Y
@@kyzerbuhnzi6403 nah he just didn’t know about them they aren’t cheese strats they’re the game working as intended
I can't really blame people for thinking fnaf 2 max mode is impossible, on a game design standpoint, the game sucks horribly; you shouldn't need a freaking timer, use exploits, and all of this hidden knowledge in order to defeat the challenge, especially since golden freddy isn't even capped correctly, the actual 10/20 is much less agonizing.
The game wasn't designed for 10/20 mode. Scott didn't know if it was even possible to beat.
@@michawhite7613I’m pretty sure all the maxmodes were like that
10/20 is definitely the worst, I would classify the use of a timer as an exploit, due to none being given to you in game. Beating it legit w/o a timer is ridiculous.
@@plantrulz223 yeah, some maxmodes are so bad like that that the maxmodelist actually allows external timers like live split to be used for some games
A bit separate but the android version was indeed impossible to my knowledge. Golden freddy would kill you for no reason.
Tbf, chickenninja wasn't _responsible_ for postshift 2 being called the hardest fan game, he was told that by a lot of comments on a video where he called Mechanism hard
on top of that a lot of mainstream fnaf youtubers also called it the hardest fnaf fan game, i heavily doubt chickenninja was that serious about his claim given how many fnaf fan games there are
Also post shift 2 is flat hard to beat, a completely different sentence from "this is the hardest challenge mode". There are VERY different ways of measuring the difficulty of a game, and using just this ONE interpretation to laugh at it being considered the hardest is flat stupid and elitist.
I don't really care about whether it is the hardest by any metric, I just hate how the list made is just flat wrong because it only cares about one single aspect to claim multiple games are harder therefore it can't be the hardest. I am sure you can pick any souls game in the soulsborne series and find a way it is the most difficult, because Dark Souls 2 is simultaneously one of the easiest to no-hit and beat outright, and the hardest to no hit if you beat ALL bosses.
@@lunaw2174 I thought so too. Post-Shift 2 has made every night a living hell with poor tutorials, leaving you sitting for hours or days on just one night before you even understand it. Most fangames on the list only have a single extra hard night that surpasses Post-Shift 2, but the main game can be beaten easily.
Yeah, but it is a legitimately difficult game. "Impossible" does not translate to "difficult," and the patched version of ps2 is fair to beat. Similar to how 50/20 mode is difficult, but it is beatable and pretty well-made.
Also important to remember, he played (and beat) the pre-patched version
3:05 Mark COOKED with these thumbnails. Especially with withered foxy.
DJsterf is indeed the king of fnaf.
Correct, all hail DJsterf, king of FNAF.
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Dj Sterf is different breed
I think ChickenNinja saying PS2 is the hardest fnaf game is relatively fine for the non ball sweaty community. Most people have never even finished a fnaf game let alone heard of the harder games.
There are a few that are still well known and harder, base FNAC 3 has final night all challenges, Five Night's At Chuck E Cheese rebooted has like 18 million different max modes, twisted 27 from animators hell, obiltus casa etc. i'd say are all pretty well known
@@TheBones5 Excluding mods, the hardest modes completed (including self imposed challenges) are True Nightmare All Challenges from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, 70/40 Mode from Ultimate Nintendo Night 2, GRADUATION DAY from Shifts at Big Q's, True Nightmare Aggressive Long Nights from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, and Final Night All Challenges No Stalling from Five Nights at Candy's 3 :p
@@TheBones5 Quick question: is the post shift 2 on the list 1.0.0? Or is the one post patch that made the game easier?
@@emperorlewd Post-patch, we haven't placed pre-patch since it isn't that much harder than post-patch.
@@TheBones5 btw if i remember correctly chicken ninja himself even calls the game "what is commonly knows as the hardest fnaf fan game" which is kind of accurate since most of the fnaf community do think PS2 is the hardest fnaf fan game.
I feel like not enough people know that Foxy is stalled by using any cam in FNAF 1, not just the camera facing Pirate’s Cove. Meanwhile Freddy is stalled by directly looking at him, so you can stall both Freddy and Foxy by just looking at Freddy.
You can basically find that trivia plastered over every comment section if the content creator happens to not know of it. But yeah it'll be unknown to anybody that has only surface level knowledge of the game. Tons of people _to this day_ have no idea how Freddy works
@@namesmitt I already know this creator knows (it would be damn crazy if they didn’t know XD), I just mean that it should be on the iceberg. This trivia only became recently well known within very recent years, surprisingly enough, so TONS of fans still don’t know it.
@namesmitt I feel like fnaf freddy, springtrap in fnaf 3, and fredbear in fnaf 4 are some of the most overly complicated ai for literally no reason. Like yeah once you understand how they work its not bad but for someone like me who doesn't know I just do what the tutorials online say to the best of my ability and hope it works.
Let out an audible "fuck yes" seeing this pop up in my subscriptions feed. The weird technical side of FNaF games is a topic that deeply intrigues me, and you're always great at explaining it. Can't wait to watch this.
I dont think ChickenNinja should be knocked for thinking that Post-shift 2 is the hardest fnaf game, given he isn't really part of the max mode community
not to mention, in the heat of the moment, anything can feel like the hardest (like penors ahaha)
Not only that, it was the pre-patched version of Post-Shift 2, and other people swore above earth and back that it was the hardest game, this video didn't really state that it was version 1.0
plus, it being so hard was what he was *told,* other people told him it was the hardest fnaf fan game and so he said it was too. also, if you were to compare a single night in post-shift 2 to a single *normal* night in any random fnaf game, chances are post-shift is gonna be the more difficult one of the two, base game, both pre/post patch, post-shift 2 vs 'the hardest challenge modes' are an unfair comparison.
Yeah, and that game doesn’t have a custom night, just the base game is as hard as it is which makes it even more impressive that stage 05 half speed is above some actual max modes like insanity 6/15 or sister location 10/20
So What? The Master King Koco Trial Because Of The Perfect Parry Is Considered The Hardest Mode In The Sonic Franchise, Yet I Beat It In 3 Trys And I Learned The Timing. Heck, I'm On My Way To Beat Post Patch With If Not All Attacks Getting Parried. So Skill Issue If You Say That. If You Do Say It Watch Others And See How Yes It Is.
Yeah, mods shouldn't even be considered as fnaf fan games anyways. Most of the mods mentioned are specifically designed to make the games much harder, and the ones that aren't mods are either only difficult because of custom nights or because they're an obscure fnaf fan game that probably isn't made well. Seriously, what the fuck is a "five nights at thug hunter's" ???
hey bones, i think you didn't to chickeninja justice in the PS2 part
if you remember his video, the main point of it was to show how hard the game is because of how bad it was at explaining what to do, and the main challenge of the run was to beat it without googling and asking anyone about it, going off of just what the game tells him
even though it might be easier than a lot of games when you have a cheese strat, it definitely hits way harder without one - something that can't be said about some of the more known fan games in the list, like the FNAC series
correct me if im wrong but i believe this was the reason chickeninja referred to PS2 as the hardest fan game.
Yeah, the game does a terrible job explaining its mechanics that when you don’t have a guide or prior knowledge on it, the game can be extremely challenging to figure out- even to some more veteran players. That’s the biggest reason it’s hard and I’m sure that’s what CN meant.
@@serixskylarkyeah, its a main theme of the video which he mentions alot, such as "and the tutorial isnt helpful one bit" for one of the nights. It still looks really hard by itself, but going into it with a big barrier, the internet being gone is so much harder. Like 50/20 felt impossible at the beginning, cause there WAS no guides or anything, it was still being searched.
@@corneredconnection I remember that fact because I watched the video when he dropped it and also found the tutorials to be incredibly confusing just watching someone try to figure it out 😭
@@serixskylark lol same. Watching it just gave me second hand anger for this man lol.
Im so happy the “Technical Fnaf” community is becoming a more mainstream element of the broader fnaf community. Ive always been fascinated with these games and their mechanics, down to their code. Especially in games like FNaF 4 and 6.
This video was very informative and showcased a very clear understanding of these games. Cant wait for part 2.🎉
I also love explaining to people that 20/20/20/20 mode has a very distinct (and abuseable) advantage over any other difficulty: the animatronics only stay at your door for a very brief moment no matter what. Meanwhile in 1/1/1/1, the animatronics can stay at your doors for hours
12:57 small correction, it moves if the number generated is lower than the animatronic's AI value, not higher. If the number had to be higher than he AI value, then at AI 1 they'd almost always succeed and on AI 20 they'd never succeed.
The demonlist mention scared tf out of me
Slaughterhouse guy?
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I don’t think 1 FPS is a glitch, it’s an exploit, it’s not breaking any mechanics of the game, the game is still working, and somewhat playable, it’s just at a lower frame rate.
AsumSaus has a great video discussing Glitch vs Exploits, in his “Is Wavedashing a Glitch?” video.
I believe that the other main lasting effect of Tech Rules is that he coined the term "movement opportunity", as I've never not heard anyone use it since. Also, I'm with others on needing a bit of a clarification: Is that 90th position pre- or post-patch? Because ChickenNinja was specifically playing pre-patch PS2.
The mode placed is pre-patch. However, the mode is overrated & will likely be moved down.
Honestly I think post shift 2 should be called the most difficult fnaf fangame to understand instead of being the hardest ... I had 23 differents seizures reading the tutorials lmao, or maybe I just have terrible reading comprehension
Yeah that’s what’s hard about it, you have to read a SHIT TON of stuff, but beyond that, the actually mechanical skill isn’t past top 80 ML
14:35 the problem with the idea that post shift 2 is the hardest fnaf fan game is that it comes down to people finding a good player without having the full knowledge of the skilled side of fnaf's fan games and taking his OPINION as facts
Crazy how much internal work and effort is put into this click team games, I think it’s what truly makes the series shine and allows for countless strategies and techniques for beating the game in, the variety carries the replay-ability IMO
the thing about 10/20 mode is that much earlier on in the franchise's history it was definitely seen as EXTREMELY luck based. even by the time fnaf2 came out people were already saying fnaf1 actually isnt that hard, but even by the time sister location came out 10/20 mode was still regarded as extremely luck based by huge portions of people. nowadays we know so much more about it than we did almost 10 years ago, but those misconceptions from 10 years ago continue to be spread widely
Hey! I'm outing myself as the person who made that comment about 10/20 mode being the hardest Max mode!
The reason I thought this was not because of Markiplier. I thought this because I watched the 10/20 guide and the 50/20 guide from DJ Sterf. I'm not sure if the 10/20 strategy he laid out has since been outdated or if I was comparing apples and oranges by comparing 10/20 and 50/20. I have since learned my lesson and a lot of pro gamers have smacked me into submission in the replies. I have since recovered from my ignorance.
I would apologize, but I ended up in a FNAF RUclipsr video. No regrets here.
Never seen someone be so humble about this, props bro
@@TheBones5 I have better things to worry about than being wrong about the spooky bear game.
22:20 small correction: Flumpty's was made in GameMaker, which the creator said in his ONAF3 developer commentary video
With hundreds or even thousands of FNAF games, Post Shift 2 places in the smallest marginal percentile of the hardest FNAF games. And it is hard for unique reasons, just as any of the other top 100 hardest FNAF fan games. I can excuse people assuming PS2 is the hardest because of this, especially considering that majority of the hardest games are fan games of fan games or something no one has ever heard of
Especially since most of the games that were listed to be harder are just "Better" or "Improved" versions of existing games that were designed give the player a headache with how much they would have to juggle mentally, along with getting screamed in their face every other minute or so.
@@Crazykiller_Wez FNACECR:
@@Crazykiller_Wezoblitus casa:
@@abm2137 I said MOST, not all. Oblitus Casa is a damn good game though, from what I've seen. But take the entire clip for all it's worth, and you get multiple games that are made to be testicular cancer for the average fnaf fan. Yes, I know the Max Mode list is made for those who wish to contract such conditions, but most of them are under the hood reworks that only select few who actively look out for them would play.
@@TheBones5 The second half of the original comment sums up what I would have to say about this.
That is to preference: "What the Hell is even that?!"
I love the galaxy 2 backgrounds lmao
I cannot wait for the part 2, those lower tiers look very intriguing, especially the "Markiplier cheated 10/20," I wonder what that's all about.
I dont understand he didnt explain what a iceberg chart is
That made me laugh more than I want to admit 😂
I don’t think many people call Mark the best in a serious manner, more of following the internet meme that’s lasted ever since he beat 4/20. He himself likely doesn’t think he’s the best player and gave up trying these challenges since he had other things to focus on, and would definitely agree that there’s better players.
To be fair, Post Shift 2 is the hardest fangame to watch. The movement makes my head spin no matter how I watch
I have literally never heard anyone say mark is the best (or even one of the best) fnaf player, not seriously at least.
yeah lol, king of fnaf is just a fun title everyone gives him
As an avid viewer of Iceberg videos, this is genuinely one of the coolest icebergs I've seen in recent memory. Your knowledge on FNaF's technical aspects has always impressed me, so seeing an iceberg based entirely around said topic is really cool, plus it's refreshing to see an iceberg purely about cool technical aspects of the games instead of lore and theories and the like (not saying those are bad, just that it's refreshing to see something unique). I'm most definitely looking forward to part 2, where the most interesting facts and secrets reside.
With the other ones I just know everything. I know way to much about so many series because I watch these videos
11:57 Isn't cam stalling the term for freezing animatronics by keeping your camera on them (Freddy in FNaF1, the plushie animatronics in UCN) and office stalling the term for delaying/avoiding animatronics by refusing to pull up the cameras? That's what I've always heard.
Yep, what he is referring to is office stalling.
i've heard the UCN stuff called cam stalling before, that's what we decided on in the discord, sorry for the confusion
@@TheBones5 Fair, it's just not what I'm used to it being referred to as. These things are ultimately all colloquial, though, of course. Isn't exactly a manual or dictionary.
Just to make this clear, chickenninja said that post shift 2 is the hardest FNAF fan game because there are so many impossible combos of animatronics and the walking animations. I think he meant that its hard to beat it consistently because of the RNG of the game.
It actually isn't that RNG.
@@sunkenxnbuuuut it is lol? mostly the night with the normal looking animatronics, if they attack at the same time you're boned
@@CartoDarko sure, there's rare cases in which you die but its mostly skill based
it is quite literally just a case of the better you are the less rng it is
also i feel like i should mention that that is the only case in which you die from rng
@@sunkenxnthere are several scenarios in like every night pre-patch that can kill you purely based on rng
Love the Mario Galaxy backgrounds, perfect mood for an iceberg video for both the surface and deeper stuff
Something with ctrl+s is that it also skips dialogue in Sister Location. It's because it's a general shortcut built into Clickteam itself and mutes audio. No idea why it skips the salvage tho tbh, guess it needs to play the beginning of Henry's message to start the salvage.
This video was so entertaining. I absolutely cannot WAIT for part 2. Hope it comes out soon
A small fact for 4:39, Dawko was also not the second person to beat 50/20, it was a Brazilian youtuber called MrGuinas, making DJ Sterf the fourth.
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Great video, can't wait for part 2 and the new challenge video. Keep up the good work man.
doesn't chickenninja say post shift 2 is the hardest prepatch and not the full version or does the hardest mode list take that into account.
pretty sure he did it prepatch
Even then on pre-patch, it isn't much harder.
The list does take pre-patches into account however Post-Shift 2's pre-patch isn't significant enough.
Huge fan of the mario galaxy background footage. Two eras of my childhood And a large piece of ice in one video.
For all the people who call the max mode community “elitist”. People need to stop and realize that bones, and the max mode community as a whole aren’t being rude or elitist. They are simply poking fun. As someone who beat 14/22, AND post shift 2, post shift was miles easier. I promise you they are not elitist, the people I’ve talked to were extremely welcoming and nice.
i cant wait for part 2. ive been loving your videos recently
The technical FNAF community sounds elitist as FUCK lmao who cares if ChickenNinja said Post Shift 2 was the hardest? You don't gotta go ranking every other harder game. And Markiplier has repeatedly JOKED about being the king of FNAF. He knows he ain't the best
It really isn't, the point of CN saying PS2 is the hardest isn't a jab at CN specifically it's more so to prove the point of PS2 NOT being the hardest FNaF game since due to CN saying that, a lot of people think it is.
@@yutavergil Oh I know but CN had more of an effect on it than uhyeah did
I'm not saying CN is in the wrong here by the way, he got told by people that it was the real hardest game when he called Mechanism hard.
I mean its quite a useful resource to have the ranking of all the hardest stuff. Like the demonlist
Yeah that’s the vibe I’m getting from watching this video. Like I’m sorry I don’t know that Five Night’s of Say Gex 3 with 5 downloads on steam is actually the hardest fnaf game. He did seem to hate on Markiplier despite saying he doesn’t. Like chill bro, everyone knows his king of fnaf title is just a joke. He is an entertainer, not a challenge runner, he was just saying that because he beat these max modes when the game was still new and all these fancy modern strategies didn’t exist. They called him that because he made it look entertaining, like you don’t need to have such a stick up your @ss.
The effort that people put into finding out mechanical parts of video games will ALWAYS be a must watch, its so fascinating
13:20 TBF those videos were talking specifically about being the hardest fan game if going in blind. Much of Post Shift 2's difficulty is merely how obtuse it is to work out the mechanics on your own from the bad game descriptions. It's still definitely hyperbole, but it does contextualize where a lot of the difficulty came from.
I feel bad for the guy who beat 50/20 before Dawko. The fact that he won first and still didn't get the interview with Scott, or even get over 20k subs, is just so upsetting. All of that hard work and dedication an now nobody knows his name. I'm not mad at Dawko or Scott or anyone, but fuck, talk about being shafted.
Correction on GD, it's possible to create pseudorandomness based on detecting how long the player has held down the input on the current attempt, which is used in levels like Limbo and The Art of the Blade. As of Update 2.2 the random trigger has also been added, which might be used in new top levels.
What? Half of the video isn't an explanation of an Iceberg?? 😢😢😢😢
so sad 😢😢😢😢
I think Markiplier being the king of FNAF over time (to me) has meant more that because of him, FNAF is a lot more popular than I think it would have ever been, tons of people attribute his playthrough of the first game to be the reason why FNAF took off at all. He's definitely a grandmaster, Just like how a lot of people would consider Dawko, DJsterf, Chickennija, etc etc
Yeah everyone knows to not take his title literally. It’s just a hype up thing since he is an entertainer instead of challenge runner, and he made the game look fun. Even at 14 I knew he wasn’t actually the best fnaf player.
@helios2664 exactly!! Like he definitely is one of the founding fathers of the community and that's all the title is meant to reflect
While I get your reasoning for the dissection of "Markiplier is the king of Fnaf", it really feels like you are downplaying how impressive it was at the time.
Just because we now 10 years later know how the games works in and out, doesn't mean that Marks feats weren't impressive, and especially for the time. Just because we know of several strats now that render it very manageable, doesn't mean it isn't impressive. I think it's impressive he did it without an in-depth knowledge of the technical aspect as we do now, and he has the moniker more because of his consistency in being able to do these, while also at the same time it being uncommon for people to do this
I agree, it really is sad how little he really considers this and is definitely throwing in as much about mark in there as he can for his own gain too, including eluding to him somehow faking his 10/20 completion. I'm noticing that Bones does definitely have the ego of someone who got into fnaf well after all these strats came out so now all he has to do is study the work that other people did for him, and that somehow makes him the best and all knowing or the one who decides what is and isn't impressive with total disregard for the differences in time periods. Him downplaying the whole Markiplier thing is like downplaying the moon landing as easy and not much of an accomplishment because now we have technology 100x more advanced than the computers they used to get there in the first place.
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Here's a document proving that Markiplier cheated his 10/20 completion: docs.google.com/document/d/1bcYibWNt8fSbRJyWF3bjqpWvZoQzKF_7-c4SQiXkb_I/edit?usp=sharing
Here's a video of me completing 4/20 with his strategy in 20 minutes and 45 seconds:
ruclips.net/video/mqIhygi1CNA/видео.htmlsi=gIK0dga2FTdG2HSO
@TheBones5 after reading the document and seeing markipleirs video I do unfortunately that the fnaf 2 allegation probably might be true, though all it really does is just make my day worse as I doubt this'll be a huge controversy. I still think that just because you beating the fnaf 1 20/20/20/20 with the old strategy changes anything. Sure it is an easy strategy but that doesn't discredit his achievement there, I know and agree that when comparing purely skill that markiplier isn't that good, but he still beat fnaf 1s max mode, and even with that strategy someone not as experienced as you would still probably find it challenging. I tried my best to make a fair argument and stuff, I do not mean any ill will as I do genuinely agree that his fnaf 2 max completion is iffy , when compared to when he beat fnaf 1, and that by skill he isn't the king of fnaf. But I disagree of discrediting his genuine accomplishment, even if it is easy today or as easy as it was back when fnaf 1 realeased, it is still a max mode completion.
@@smollmoth6376 no it's def impressive, ppl seemed to be discrediting me for using modern strats, that's why I included that
@@TheBones5 Your evidence is literally just 'he used a crossfade lol' and a load of numbers. It doesn't prove a thing except for the fact he was really lucky.
Loving this so far man can’t wait for part 2!!
The Bonnie teleporting one kinda confuses me cause that connection, makes sense in my head? It is a bit of a jump, but Pirate Cove feels far enough out of the way that it'd make sense for Bonnie to be able to beeline to the hall like that
The Dining Area to West Hall wasn’t a good example. Movements that people have actually considered “teleporting” was Backstage -> West Hall, Closet -> Left Door, or Left Door -> Dining Area
i can't believe how fast you make these, you're awesome
Bro is cooking again
so real
LET HIM COOK!
He always was
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funny thing about DJ Sterf was when Markiplier questioned why Sterf's name was in the credits of RUIN while no other content creators were attributed. Not aware of the fact that Sturf was a PLAYTESTER and submitted over (I believe Sterf said) 3,000 bugs.
Sterf is a goat, a devout christian man playing fnaf with a ddr pad while also juggling is just unfathomably based. Love that guy
These FNAF icebergs be looking like shakespearian novels istg
Basically the ultimate "Um, actually 🤓☝️" iceberg. Nice
I don't think anyone who calls mark the "king of fnaf" actually thinks he's the best at the games skill wise though lol. He's just the king because well, he earned it, it's his claim to fame in the community
One thing you could of mentioned is how freddy and foxy work in fnaf 1, now it's really common knowledge, but a lot of new players/ people who just watch videos dont seem to understand that camera stalling exists, or that you dont have to look at foxy's camera to keep him from attacking, just use the cameras
Good video but now i'm wondering if the "Markipiler cheated 10/20" entry has any truth to it or if it's just one of those joke/conspiracy theories entries that a lot of icebregs have.
It’s the only “max mode” competition where the run is spliced, doesn’t have any Toy Animatronics at the later end of the night, and he celebrates about getting the 3rd star when that’s the reward for 4/20.
@@namesmitt the first part is fair but the other two parts i really don't think are that good of evidence specifically the third star thing.
@@Andycandyman24 After the last jumpcut at 5am, there’s no Toy animatronics for the final 18 seconds until 6am. That could be coincidental, sure, but that’s 5 robots unaccounted for, and you don’t hear Mangle or BB moving either.
The 3rd star is definitely the weakest point, as he could have just done 4/20 as a warmup or whatever. We don’t know. But it lines up with the theory that his night win was actually 4/20, and there is another jumpcut between the main menu, and mark showing his stars on the custom night screen, leaving room for potential editing to occur.
Also just an FYI that I’m not rooting against Mark here; I do want to believe he did it legit, as with literally anybody else, but there is reasonable suspicion to be had here.
@@namesmitt i decide to watch the video again and what you said about toys is true unless Toy Bonnie was the one who attacked him when fading in to the clip but i can't tell for sure. For the third star thing i swear you got it by beating 10/20 but i could be wrong but the thing i think is more inportant is after he beats 10/20 he does show Golden Freddy mode after beating it with the stars next to it and while there is a cut the only way he could have the stars and still be cheating would be to use the CD+ trick or to edit the game files.
Actually i watch it again and he says nothing about three stars.
I don't know if I'm the only person I noticed this but at 19:38 if you pause at that frame you can see that Golden Freddy is actually floating off the floor and not touching the ground
I found this youtube channel like 5 days ago and I've loved every video so far keep up the GREAT content king
8:37 if you look closely in the hall, you can see the party room tables in the back. he does not teleport, he literally just walks forward
Have watched some of your vids without subscribing. I see nothing but good quality vids! You have my sub!!
Mark did it at the start of fnaf with his own knowledge I count that as king status
Challenge suggestion to break the bank: beat FNAF 1 (up to max mode of course) in as many devices as possible at the same time. I think it's at least on the PC, Switch, mobile, PS4 and Xbox One. Bonus points if done in a rotating chair with the devices in a 360 setup.
As a FNAF fan game developer... This video will be very entertaining! :)
dont listen the description do not check out the maxmodelist it was the worst mistake of my life
WAIT WAHT??? WHAT HAPPENED
Yo I cannot believe my 23MB iceberg got included in the intro, fair game
Fnaf and nuzlocke??? lemme guess
Fnaf world nuzlocke similar to astralspiff's rendition of it?
It would be an interesting cameo
I'm praying for a five nights at fuck boys nuzlock🙏🏾😭
2:55 my genuine reaction
Damn kinda sounds like there is alot of elitism in the technical community.
No, not really.
@@sunkenxn you guys are mad annoying
@@deathlesswitch9063 what i even do
> accused of being cold and unwelcoming
> answers with dickish response
@@FishwicksREAL
I said "No, not really" since for most part, it isn't toxic or elitist.
Obviously, in a community based on figuring out the smallest details to optimize things as much as possible there are going to be elitist people.
I fail to see your point of my original message being dickish since it is literally just the equivalent of "No, most people aren't"
22:48 bro no shot just randomly mentioned geometry dash in a fnaf iceberg i didn't expect that 😂
for real, caught me so off guard haha
great video but at 22:19 when you showed onaf 2 as an example of a clickteam game, that kind of bugged me considering they are all made in gamemaker studio
Oh my god, never did I ever think I would see something Geometry Dash related in a Five Nights at Freddy's video.
now im no iceberg expert, but Im pretty sure the tip of the iceberg is not below the shallow waters
I just started the video, but i already cant wait for part 2. Im very curious about "Fnaf 2 10/20 is the easiest max mode"
I don't believe the claim for a second, myself. Night 6 alone is ridiculously hard and BS (furthest I've ever got is 3 AM), 10/20 just can't be the easiest max mode. 4/20 is.
Night 6 literally made me hate FNAF 2 with a burning passion. Night 4 was bad enough, but I literally spent like 3 whole videos trying to beat Night 6, and I don't edit. I got so mad I basically rage quit. Haven't touched the game since, and this was well over a year ago IIRC.
Sorry that this turned into a rant. Once I get going, I find it hard to stop.
New to the channel, just watched the Fnaflocke video and Im impressed. I beat 50/20 mode UCN and i thought that was peak Fnaf in terms of technical challenge. This video along with the Fnaflocke have inspired me to get back into it and try new challenges. Good stuff man.
Ctrl+S is a built-in feature of Clickteam that mutes the audio of the game, which messes with some audio-based triggers in the game. Besides salvages, it's also very useful in FNAF 3 and 4 to mute the background noise, and in FNAF SL to skip talking sections.
Chicken man probably said post shift 2 is the hard bc unless you're a mega ocean filling sweat, you haven't heard of a third of those games you mentioned
Or just have basic knowledge on the most popular FNAF fan games. FNAC 3, FNACECR, Oblitus Casa, Animator's Hell for example, are all more well known than Post-Shift 2.
@@sunkenxnI’ve been in this community since the first game came out and the only one of those you listed that I knew of was fnac 3. It’s not as common as you think.
@@serixskylark That doesn't mean that they're not more well known than Post-Shift 2 bruh, YOU just haven't heard of them lol
@@sunkenxn no, just that it’s possible to not have heard of it which could be the case for a lot of people. Catch my drift?
@@sunkenxnwtf are those
26:10 I dont think its actually meant to skip salvages, since its just a click team code that disables sound. I think it skips the salvage because it relies on the audio to end so if you disable it you will skip the audio and win.
8:54 That 50 frames to 1050 frames "movement opportunity time" listed for Foxy is actually for the reset function of his locked value (What causes Foxy to force-fail movement opportunities at even A.I. Level 20.). Also not to mention the listed movement opportunity times for Freddy Bonnie & Chica are wrong as well (For example, 299/60 equals 4.98333... and NOT 4.97.).
That’s not even touching on the fact that everyone’s movement intervals are TIMERS and NOT frame-based. He flopped so hard on that section I’m actually baffled
wait really? I thought on fnaf 1 it was frame based and for all the other games it was timer based?
The problem with post shift 2 isn’t that it’s the absolute peak of fnaf fan game difficulty. It’s the fact that it’s pretty high up there, for every single night. There isn’t one insanely hard max mode challenge, the game itself is just difficult.
If for example you instead created a general difficulty list that was just based off of beating the primary nights and ignored any additional challenges and max modes ps2 would probably be very high on that list.
I remember there was a joke speedrun for FNAF 1 that just had the runner spamming CD+ each night until the game was beaten. As of now there are legitimate ways to speedrun FNAF 1, such as skipping the opening cutscene.
12:51 you have that backwards. If it worked like you say, then 20 AI would have a 1/20 chance of moving
Wow, this is actually a really good video dude! Im not kidding, this is so GOOD. I really like this iceberg. I'm also glad that you are spreading awareness of the MML community. Absolutely amazing video. Keep it up!
I am forever in debt to Techrules, if it weren't for that video my early fangames would have terrible AI and probably be entirely scripted
Tbh if you exclude mods / remakes etc, Post Shift 2 is probably fairly high up
You’re doing great, boney man.
11:41 I just want to say how absolutely unhinged this shot looks
i see markiplier as the king of fnaf in the sense that he was one of the biggest and first steps in popularizing it. and he kept that popularity going, along with other huge youtubers and especially matpat. he was also playing every gane when they first released, with no very technical knowledge. i dont think hes the best at fnaf but i do think hes an extremly important figure in the community who beat most of the games mist difficult options in an actually difficult way bk he was just a normal gamer and not sonebody who knew code ir technicality or anything like that
still, the peopke who are actuslly the best at this gane still absolutely deserve recognition
22:20 I'm pretty sure the ONAF games were made in Game Maker Studio, not clickteam.
Well he said ALMOST every fnaf and fnaf fan game is done in clickteam
Of ALL the fangames he could've shown there, it had to be ONaF
2:53 that is a pretty crazy thing to say even if you do have some truth to the argument 😂
Imma keep it real with you boss, I think this really is my first iceberg video and I really could've used those two first minutes.
It’s really not deep. Top is more common knowledge, the bottom is the most obscure stuff
"hell no on this channel we only suffer"
hell yeah you sick man!
Loved the vid, waiting for p2 🎉
I need the chickenninja and the bones colab
I’m really surprised nobody says anything about it but you don’t need to have your mouse over toy Freddy nose in fnaf 2 while doing CD+ you can have your mouse anywhere. Also, you don’t need to hold the buttons for a certain amount of time, it only activates when ‘C’, ‘D’ and ‘+’ are held at the same time
7:22 - Another mistake TechRulez made in his video in regards to Foxy, is that on Night 6, Foxy’s AI level is 6, not 16.
Or how about the impossible to survive passive power drain lmaoo
@@namesmitt Personally, that wasn't as bad of a mistake since anyone who actually played the game would have known that was wrong, whereas the mistake of saying Foxy's A.I. on Night 6 was 16 wouldn't have been as obvious.
@@FusionCyborg That’s a good point. Another thing he got wrong was saying Freddy’s cam cooldown couldn’t be reset
I spent an hour and a half on pre nerf night 4 and was very happy to have my gold star showing I completed it before the patch. so aggrivating. the springlocks would just go all the way loose with like. 2 shakes.